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| lpotter | special: ping | 00:36 |
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| special | lpotter: it is quite late, I'm going to sleep shortly | 00:41 |
| special | (and is this the channel you were aiming for?) | 00:41 |
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| lpotter | yes. is edge still widely used in the US? | 01:04 |
| lpotter | sorry, your probably asleep now | 01:04 |
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| tango_ | could it be that the jolla is not particularly heat-friendly? we're having a heat wave here in sicily and I get the impression that the battery lasts less | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | takes more juice to spin up the in-built fan? ;) | 06:52 |
| Nicd- | batteries generally last less in warmer temperatures | 06:53 |
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| giucam | tango_: it's a finnish phone, what would you expect? :P | 06:56 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: there's a fan inside? 8-D | 06:56 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: my experience is that batteries last less in colder temperatures too | 06:56 |
| tango_ | giucam: right | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: nah, we're not intel based | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:56 |
| tango_ | giucam: like the Nokia N900 that had a light sensor that only worked fine on finnish light conditions | 06:57 |
| tango_ | (i.e. night 365 days a year) | 06:57 |
| special | lpotter: edge is very widespread, but mostly only used in remote areas | 06:57 |
| Nicd- | hey! we have a day of summer you know | 06:57 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: august 15? | 06:57 |
| tango_ | or was it june 21 and that's why you remember? | 06:58 |
| tango_ | 8-D | 06:58 |
| Nicd- | actually it was last weekend and it rained hail | 06:58 |
| tango_ | lol | 06:58 |
| Nicd- | better luck next year | 06:58 |
| tango_ | maybe it will rain fire | 06:58 |
| giucam | summer has come and gone already, it was really hot in may | 06:59 |
| tango_ | here it's really hot now | 06:59 |
| tango_ | which is actually odd, because the worse heat is usually towards the end of july/early august | 06:59 |
| tango_ | anyway, I mostly use my jolla as a media player, so what happens is that I do the home-work, work-home walks (~20/30minutes commutes) listening to music | 07:00 |
| tango_ | I get maybe a couple of days worth of battery | 07:01 |
| giucam | tango_: are you sicilian or in holiday there? | 07:01 |
| tango_ | if all networks are off | 07:01 |
| tango_ | giucam: native | 07:01 |
| giucam | ah, so many fellow italians here | 07:01 |
| tango_ | you're in #opencl too, eh | 07:02 |
| giucam | yeah :) | 07:02 |
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| tango_ | well, half the italians here actually work for jolla 8-D | 07:03 |
| tango_ | hm I wonder if I should send my resume | 07:03 |
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| SK_work | morning | 07:52 |
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| Scelt | damn that I missed the jolla launcher | 08:02 |
| Scelt | I have a nexus 5 sitting on the shelf without any job :( | 08:02 |
| SK_work | Scelt: you can apply for beta | 08:03 |
| Scelt | I know but would have wanted it now :-| | 08:05 |
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| gogeta | good morning guys | 08:06 |
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| ruskie | yay got me jolla | 08:32 |
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| salami` | yay | 08:33 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 08:33 |
| ruskie | like the size... feels perfect | 08:35 |
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| Yaniel | a bit too large | 08:35 |
| Yaniel | IMHO | 08:35 |
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| SK_work | Yaniel: never hold a g note ? | 08:40 |
| ruskie | Yaniel, for my hands perfect size | 08:41 |
| ruskie | and yes I had in my hands the note phone... ugh | 08:41 |
| ruskie | that was just a bit to big | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | jolla is really light | 08:41 |
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| Venemo | morning :) | 09:13 |
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| fennekki | Good morning/afternoon | 09:23 |
| fennekki | The rebooting behaviour on modem stress now also seems to occur - although more rarely - even with a full battery. | 09:23 |
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| fennekki | Additionally, on reboot phone will occasionally report 20% drops in battery power, although plugging it in for even a second seems to correct that | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | fennekki: contact care | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | best advice i can give | 09:24 |
| fennekki | Stskeeps: I'm kinda interested in what precisely is causing this, though - if it's a HW problem I obviously have no choice than care | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | advice is to contact care if you suspect a HW problem | 09:24 |
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| chem|st | ruskie: grats! before you do anything stupid, device-lock-code aka security-code can only be reset by care at jolla | 09:34 |
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| Aard | chem|st: ... which is a feature ;) | 09:36 |
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| fennekki | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10716/#post-id-36965 the answer specified here seems to work, interestingly enough | 09:38 |
| fennekki | moreover, I've recently stopped using a protective cover on my Jolla so maybe the issue is caused by the lack of pressure letting the body loosen a tiny bit | 09:38 |
| fennekki | which would then break contact with battery | 09:39 |
| fennekki | Who knows | 09:39 |
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| fennekki | Maybe it's a design or material fault, even | 09:40 |
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| ruskie | chem|st, only stupid thing I'm doing is cutting my sim hehe | 09:48 |
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| fennekki | Though obviously I have to also mention I oughta test this further first | 09:51 |
| chem|st | ruskie: there you need to be very good with cutting the triangled corner | 09:51 |
| inte | are there _any_ tohs available other than just differènt colors? | 09:51 |
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| ruskie | chem|st, should be dooable hehe | 09:51 |
| fennekki | Not official ones, at least | 09:51 |
| ruskie | else the cost is the same for me | 09:52 |
| flux | inte, not commercially afaik | 09:52 |
| chem|st | Aard: I know, but more and more people are joining the 'I forgot my lock-code' team with the assumption it is as easy to recover like on n900 | 09:52 |
| ruskie | 12eur for a micro or a new one | 09:52 |
| fennekki | chem|st: isn't it possible to just reset your device via the telnet interface, tho? | 09:52 |
| fennekki | though | 09:52 |
| fennekki | that obviously involves | 09:52 |
| fennekki | resetting the device | 09:52 |
| inte | ruskie there is a template available for download for cutting the sin | 09:53 |
| chem|st | fennekki: you will be prompted for the code | 09:53 |
| ruskie | I have it | 09:53 |
| fennekki | Oh, right | 09:53 |
| fennekki | I forgot | 09:53 |
| fennekki | What about devmode ssh? That needs no code | 09:53 |
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| Nicd- | inte: there are more TOHs that people make themselves, like here: http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/~/category/id=9141090&offset=0&sort=normal | 09:53 |
| flux | maybe the lock code functionality should have the option to "send my lock code to Jolla" :) | 09:54 |
| chem|st | fennekki: you can only reset it by flashing atm | 09:54 |
| inte | unofficial would also be fine if it works:) | 09:54 |
| flux | you would then acquire the lock code from your jolla settings with your jolla account password | 09:54 |
| ruskie | if it's numberical isn't an issue | 09:54 |
| ruskie | I have a std one | 09:54 |
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| chem|st | flux: the lock-code is not stored as plain text therefore cannot be sent anywhere | 09:54 |
| flux | that would work perfectly for a casual person who might be worried about some guy in the bar getting access to the phone | 09:54 |
| flux | chem|st, it is acquired in plain text the moment when it's first entered | 09:54 |
| flux | that would be the point to have the sending option | 09:54 |
| flux | in any case, how long is it? it can be brute forced with some ease, if its hash is available? | 09:55 |
| chem|st | flux: leaving it unencrypted on the device is a security flaw | 09:55 |
| flux | I didn't say leave it unencrypted to the device | 09:55 |
| flux | send it unecrypted to jolla web service | 09:55 |
| inte | but these don't have functions, do they? | 09:55 |
| flux | where it's relatively safe from most of people | 09:56 |
| flux | way better than putting it on a sticker to your wallet | 09:56 |
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| chem|st | flux: something like that will come I read, you will be able to rremotely reset the code | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | inte: you can order the funkyothethalf's with a wireless charger | 09:57 |
| chem|st | but that you need to setup and activate and that will need the lock-code too | 09:57 |
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| inte | Nicd oh cool amazing didn't realize thanks! | 09:58 |
| Nicd- | inte: well, wireless charging functionality, you need to buy the charger itself somewhere else | 09:58 |
| inte | will have a look | 09:58 |
| inte | but the receiver works? | 09:59 |
| Nicd- | I suppose so since he's selling them | 09:59 |
| gogeta | put replacement batteries on store ... | 09:59 |
| gogeta | I think mine is over | 09:59 |
| inte | and 20€ includes the receiver?? | 09:59 |
| flux | there's a drop down for receiver | 10:00 |
| Nicd- | inte: just click on one of them and look for yourself | 10:00 |
| inte | ah | 10:00 |
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| inte | cool thanks again!! | 10:02 |
| inte | i like the glow-in-the-dark:) | 10:02 |
| inte | 1000ma charger is recommended i guess? | 10:03 |
| inte | is wireless charging reasonable fast | 10:03 |
| inte | ? | 10:03 |
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| chem|st | inte: it does not need to be - the device will probably get charged more often but less | 10:11 |
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| chem|st | and it depends on the pad, a 1A cahrging pad is as fast as a jolla wall-charger (read the lables) | 10:12 |
| chem|st | the receiver I mean, the sending unit needs to be able to push that much power too | 10:12 |
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| inte | chem thanks i will check it out | 10:19 |
| inte | it does not harm the phone, does it? | 10:19 |
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| chem|st | as long as 5V and Gnd are right it should not, this connects to the internal charging logic | 10:24 |
| chem|st | and is meant for toh-charging | 10:24 |
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| mcfrisk | any idea when the music player bug where playback always stops at first list entry might get fixed. it's getting annoying. | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | does screen go off in between? | 10:42 |
| Sail0r | hm damn my android phone which I got from my company has no google account :-/ I hope the jolla launcher will be available on other stores too | 10:42 |
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| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: yes. Playback stops at the end of first song. Pressing next button also fails. And suffle also starts at first song on list... silly bugs. | 10:43 |
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| gogeta | any sap consultant here ? | 10:46 |
| simbrown | Does anybody elses Jolla have trouble maintaining a WiFi connection when using bluetooth? | 10:47 |
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| gogeta | +1 | 10:47 |
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| simbrown | I find my wifi connection starts to yo yo when I start BT audio streaming | 10:48 |
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| phdeswer | simbrown: well they are on similar frequencies so interference is expected. | 10:49 |
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| simbrown | phdeswer: Yes, but that is well known and my N9 was never bothered by it. | 10:51 |
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| suy | Maybe I dreamed (or nightmared) it, but I thought it was a hardware issue because it's normally a shared IC which does BT and WiFi. | 10:59 |
| suy | In my case, I get BT disconnections when WiFi loses all signal | 10:59 |
| suy | But I don't rembember BT being much better with the N9. With the Z10, on the other hand... | 11:00 |
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| ruskie | well managed to cut up the sim card right it seems | 11:02 |
| ruskie | now dling system update | 11:02 |
| ruskie | then need to figure out how to transfer contacts from my n900 | 11:02 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 11:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | :( | 11:03 |
| ruskie | Z | 11:04 |
| ruskie | ? | 11:04 |
| inte | ruskie i guess there is syncevolution available on openrepos if you don't want to use google or exchange/OpenXchane or sth. | 11:06 |
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| inte | Bluetooth sync might also work but i never tried it | 11:06 |
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| ruskie | I'nn try bt sync | 11:11 |
| inte | tell us if it worked! :) | 11:13 |
| ruskie | will do after lunch hehe | 11:13 |
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| ruskie | worked fine | 11:28 |
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| chem|st | ruskie: I doubt it... | 11:36 |
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| chem|st | ruskie: I learned days after a "sync successful" that I am missing contacts | 11:36 |
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| chem|st | ruskie: unless you are sure everything went fine, export contacts to vcf merge to an all.vcf and import | 11:40 |
| ruskie | I'll verify | 11:42 |
| chem|st | ruskie: I was missing a lot, well I transfered from N9 maybe it works better from n900 | 11:43 |
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| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/48503/bug-here-maps-data-collection-in-the-terms-and-conditions-specify-that-we-can-turn-them-off/ | 11:54 |
| chem|st | HERE maps terms say we have a setting to turn the datacollection off... meh | 11:54 |
| chem|st | or is this misinterpreted? | 11:55 |
| SK_work | chem|st: zypper se here | 11:55 |
| SK_work | and zypper rm here ? | 11:55 |
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| chem|st | SK_work: you need to accept the terms to have GPS... it is HERE maps service budle with GPS and Glonass not the HERE map-app, | 12:02 |
| chem|st | bundle | 12:02 |
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| SK_work | chem|st: accept, and remove here provider | 12:04 |
| SK_work | chem|st: there is a here gps provider | 12:05 |
| SK_work | however, good that you raised the bug | 12:05 |
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| chem|st | wasn't my find, I raised the concerns about internet connection flickering for a second when gps becomes active and that there is no opt-out, that the terms are void is news for me | 12:25 |
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| SK_work | chem|st: +1 | 12:28 |
| SK_work | right | 12:29 |
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| ruskie | hmm chem|st seems like it moved over all of them EXCEPT those that don't have a phone number | 13:02 |
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| ruskie | phone number or email absent it didn't transefr | 13:02 |
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| inte` | BTW I'm just wondering | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 13:04 |
| inte` | After lastest firmware update jolla started syncing | 13:04 |
| inte` | i guess from google | 13:04 |
| inte` | and then there was a brief notification | 13:05 |
| inte` | it claimed to had synced 800 sth contacts and asked me if it should merge them or something | 13:05 |
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| inte` | i discarded it at that point | 13:06 |
| inte` | i didn't have time to look further | 13:06 |
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| inte` | now i can't find a way to restart this process | 13:06 |
| inte` | does this soufamiliar to somone? | 13:07 |
| inte` | i have plenty of contacts in my phonebook but jolla doesn't sync all of them to an openxchange account | 13:08 |
| inte` | only some... | 13:08 |
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| Aard | inte`: are some of those contacts from facebook? | 13:09 |
| inte` | some from fb, some from google, most of them merged, e.g. extended with a phone number etc. | 13:11 |
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| chem|st | ruskie: contacts without phone number, contacts with special chars, contacts with empty fields and so on... I was missing like 3 or 4 where I had no clue why, no empty fields, nothing missing for a contact | 13:15 |
| chem|st | no special chars... as said, I ended up doing a "by hand" vcf transfer and that worked so far, I still have uneditable fields within contacts though | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | g 23 | 13:16 |
| chem|st | ? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | ignore me, missing / | 13:17 |
| simbrown | suy: is theZ10 a solid device? | 13:17 |
| suy | simbrown: very much, yes | 13:18 |
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| simbrown | suy: thanks | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | +k | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | ... gah | 13:23 |
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| inte` | hello to whom was I talking regarding sync and firefox accounts? | 14:06 |
| inte` | had some issues with my connections and no backlog:( | 14:06 |
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| netzvieh | inte`: when? | 14:24 |
| netzvieh | and where? | 14:24 |
| inte` | like an hour ago | 14:24 |
| inte` | i guess it was here | 14:24 |
| inte` | or in sailfishos but i guess rather here:) | 14:25 |
| netzvieh | inte`: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/latest.log.html :) | 14:25 |
| inte` | ok thanks :) | 14:26 |
| inte` | ah ok noone replied anyways :) | 14:27 |
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| tango_ | oh I need to check if the sailfish browser supports mathml | 14:30 |
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| fennekki | Confirming that putting a piece of electric tape on bottom of the battery fixed "random" reboot problem | 15:38 |
| fennekki | So it wasn't making proper contact for some reason | 15:38 |
| Turski | fennekki: confirming that it "fixed" it for only two weeks | 15:38 |
| fennekki | Turski: yeah, I'd assume it's going to break eventually | 15:39 |
| fennekki | I mean | 15:39 |
| fennekki | that it'd constantly require more pressure on it | 15:39 |
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| fennekki | I just wonder if it's in the battery or the device | 15:40 |
| Morpog_PC___ | maybe something for stskeeps? https://together.jolla.com/question/48622/goodbye-jolla | 15:41 |
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| SK_work | Morpog_PC___: he already helped | 15:42 |
| SK_work | it seems | 15:42 |
| Morpog_PC___ | oh, ok | 15:42 |
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| SK_work | that's a pretty serious issue though | 15:43 |
| SK_work | not happening often, but rebooting when updating is not nice | 15:43 |
| Morpog_PC___ | well, yeah | 15:43 |
| SK_work | if factory image could be updated that could be easier | 15:44 |
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| SK_work | and bootloader not locking itself | 15:44 |
| * Morpog_PC___ will never puts out his liitle paper under battery | 15:44 | |
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| * SK_work have to remember to unlock his bootloader | 15:44 | |
| Morpog_PC___ | SK_work, thats on roadmap iirc | 15:44 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC___: yep, but too late for some poeple out there :( | 15:45 |
| locusf | ẃhat benefits do I get when unlocking the bootloader? | 15:45 |
| SK_work | locusf: flash your own image / kernel etc. | 15:46 |
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| AL13N_work | maybe it'd be better to be able to choose which version to factory reset to :-) | 15:46 |
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| SK_work | and don't be locked out of the house like nieldk's Jolla | 15:46 |
| locusf | sailfish-snapshot tool already does that | 15:46 |
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| locusf | choosing which version that is | 15:46 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: the problem is that you need to keep all the btrfs snapshots | 15:46 |
| SK_work | locusf: ah ? | 15:46 |
| locusf | you just gotta install it, it should be accessible from the recovery menu shell afterwards | 15:47 |
| AL13N_work | SK_work: yes and no | 15:47 |
| locusf | haven't tried though | 15:47 |
| Morpog_PC___ | SK_work, locusf sure, but it'S highly experimental | 15:47 |
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| AL13N_work | SK_work: keep in mind that due to duplication, it won't be that much, and that the user might be able to manage it too | 15:47 |
| AL13N_work | or just remove real old ones | 15:48 |
| SK_work | but this requires unlocked bootloader nevertheless | 15:48 |
| AL13N_work | SK_work: Morpog_PC___: what's more important to me, would be updating/patching btrfs-progs so that the send works properly | 15:49 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: ??? | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | https://together.jolla.com/question/22767/btrfs-send-snapshot-gives-error-could-not-resolve-root_id/ | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | SK_work: you haven't seen this before? | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | i also added a link to the patch | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | (es) | 15:50 |
| locusf | oh cool you can send your snapshots like in zfs | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | one for send and one for receive | 15:50 |
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| SK_work | AL13N_work: ah | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | due to the layout, it's not easy, since any extra mount will make it troublesome to find the correct subvolid | 15:50 |
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| AL13N_work | i wanted to backup like this, but had to give up | 15:51 |
| AL13N_work | SK_work: it's a small patch that's not intrusive and only in btrfs-progs | 15:51 |
| AL13N_work | it would be nice if it could get in | 15:51 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: ping Stskeeps ? | 15:51 |
| AL13N_work | if it's too much work, i could add it to mer (if btrfs-progs is in mer) | 15:52 |
| AL13N_work | i can't remember what is where anymore | 15:52 |
| AL13N_work | or if mer and nemo are already joined | 15:52 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: ping: can the 2 btrfs-progs patches get in plz? https://together.jolla.com/question/22767/btrfs-send-snapshot-gives-error-could-not-resolve-root_id/ | 15:53 |
| mcfrisk | for me too latest SW brought device resets and poweroff's, some paper to the bottom of battery has fixed the issue for now (uptime 5 days). | 15:54 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps mentioned contacting care, is there some other 'proper' HW fix? | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | AL13N_work: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/btrfs-progs | 15:55 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: i assume this means: "patches are accepted?" | 15:57 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 15:57 |
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| AL13N_work | mcfrisk: i sent it back to care for the exact same reason | 15:57 |
| AL13N_work | mcfrisk: though it was the sw update before last | 15:57 |
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| * AL13N_work is missing his jolla :-( | 15:58 | |
| stephg | AL13N_work: when was the ETA? tomorrow? | 15:58 |
| pdanek | Is Jolla obliged to reveal financial results for fiscal year of 2015? | 15:58 |
| AL13N_work | probably | 15:58 |
| AL13N_work | i do hope jolla is doing well | 15:59 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: mine is somewhere in .fi, following fedex website it never left the car it was picked up with for 28h | 15:59 |
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| AL13N_work | pdanek: but 2015 hasn't even started yet | 15:59 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: mine is in stockholm now | 16:00 |
| mcfrisk | last weekend saw another jolla user who had really severe wlan issues, wlan scans just stopped working and only reboot seemed to help, tried reloading kernel modules and 'ifconfig wlan0 down/up' too. is that also maybe a HW issue, bad tuning params or broken bus? | 16:00 |
| AL13N_work | i'm at: .be -> .de -> .dk -> .se | 16:00 |
| AL13N_work | now it just needs to go back to .dk then back to .se and then back to .dk again... etc... :-) | 16:01 |
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| AL13N_work | mcfrisk: tbf, i had some weird packet loss (and dups) too, when i sent it back, i asked if Sage could take a peek if it's hardware or something) | 16:02 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: ah so it is going to paris next^^ | 16:02 |
| AL13N_work | haha | 16:02 |
| AL13N_work | could be | 16:02 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: they still maintain it's gonna be there tomorrow | 16:03 |
| _inte_ | how many phones has jolla sold? | 16:03 |
| _inte_ | what do you people guess? | 16:03 |
| AL13N_work | no clue, there's been wild guesses at the beginning | 16:04 |
| _inte_ | 30000? | 16:04 |
| _inte_ | maybe 50000... | 16:04 |
| _inte_ | or more? | 16:04 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't hear much from the china thing, which i had some hopes for, so i don't know | 16:04 |
| AL13N_work | i suppose these things take time | 16:05 |
| AL13N_work | wasn't it said that 50k was a normal batch of production or something? | 16:05 |
| AL13N_work | well, i donno | 16:06 |
| _inte_ | me neither | 16:06 |
| _inte_ | just guessing | 16:06 |
| pdanek | Would you recommend Jolla to your parents? | 16:06 |
| tbr | didn't they recently publish numbers for "2013" (essentially december) | 16:07 |
| pdanek | Or to your friends with Android? For consumer use? | 16:07 |
| _inte_ | i would | 16:07 |
| cb400f | I did :-) .. and successfully convinced my father to buy one.. of course it was his first smartphone | 16:07 |
| _inte_ | if you don't do things that could break the phone it just works | 16:07 |
| pdanek | cb400f: Are you finish? | 16:07 |
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| pdanek | finnish, sorry* | 16:07 |
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| cb400f | but in the meantime he got an iPhoney from his work, and he's still generally more than happy with the Jolla | 16:08 |
| cb400f | Danish | 16:08 |
| pdanek | wow, really | 16:08 |
| _inte_ | i only just saw that mitakuuluu has around 60k downloads at openrepos and this app is very common | 16:08 |
| _inte_ | however, to my knowledge openrepo counts each download, even updates | 16:08 |
| AL13N_work | i don't have this app | 16:08 |
| _inte_ | and i can remember at least 4 recent updates | 16:09 |
| _inte_ | so i would guess there are at most 20k installs | 16:09 |
| _inte_ | if at all | 16:09 |
| _inte_ | i have because so many people are using wa | 16:09 |
| AL13N_work | i do recommend jolla | 16:09 |
| cb400f | the top apps in Harbour have a claimed "10.000+" downloads | 16:10 |
| _inte_ | if every second jolla user had installed this app it makes around 40-50k handsets | 16:10 |
| cb400f | I continue to recommend it frantically.. though mostly in Linux forums | 16:10 |
| _inte_ | cb400f jup not so much information actually | 16:10 |
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| _inte_ | in google play you often see sth. like 2.398494 installed | 16:11 |
| _inte_ | :) | 16:11 |
| AL13N_work | anyway, time to go home | 16:11 |
| _inte_ | i can totally recommend it | 16:11 |
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| _inte_ | even though most average user would want WA but therefore there is openrepo | 16:12 |
| pdanek | Meizu Will Present A Meizu MX3 Phone Running Ubuntu Touch, At The Mobile Asia Expo 2014 | 16:12 |
| _inte_ | would be cool to get that in harbour | 16:12 |
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| * cb400f wants the sailfish port of fbreader to hit Harbour ASAP | 16:12 | |
| _inte_ | leaving again | 16:12 |
| _inte_ | soccer | 16:12 |
| _inte_ | bbl | 16:13 |
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| * tbr ponders if jolla shouldn't send some people there: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe/extend-the-experience/community-management-workshop | 16:35 | |
| Stskeeps | looks interesting | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | the art of community is my personal bible, fwiw | 16:37 |
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| tbr | I'm pondering the workshop myself, but 300usd out of private pocket... | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, linuxcon europe is a bit expensive in the first place | 16:43 |
| SK_work | tbr: +1 | 16:45 |
| SK_work | (for sending Jolla people here and the 300USD thing) | 16:46 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: that I have covered, I requested a private attendance hobbyist scholarship and get in for 300USD | 16:46 |
| * tbr did that even way in march, before crap encountered the rotary air displacement device | 16:47 | |
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| * Stskeeps is really looking forward to going on vacation | 17:06 | |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: niel said you tried to help him recover his jolla, what happened? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: nothing, i just didn't have time to answer my e-mail, had to take care of my kid | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | answered him ~3 minutes ago | 17:08 |
| chem|st | this lonesome ranger.... | 17:08 |
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| Stskeeps | sent him some hints, they didn't work, didn't get a chance to answer his second mail until now | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | so i'm not sure about the "what happened" here :) | 17:09 |
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| chem|st | it sounded like he flashed from 1.0.0.5 to current in one step, iirc that is a bad idea, right? | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | generally you flash 1.0.0.5 -> 1.0.2.5 -> 1.0.7* i think | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | the step is needed due to a bug in 1.0.0.5 where store/packaging infra was miserably bad | 17:11 |
| chem|st | yeah, he described it as one step and then tried to downgrade to 1.0.2.5 | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | we provide upgrade path that works through store client, if you play around with developer mode, you get to keep both pieces if something breaks.. | 17:11 |
| chem|st | but you can send it in to reflash it? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but fault may be on your side | 17:12 |
| chem|st | so you got to pay for it... | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | (that's, not, in any way, saying that it's his fault) | 17:12 |
| tbr | if you're smart enough, you'll make proper backups after unlocking bootloader | 17:12 |
| tbr | then you can "reflash" by yourself | 17:12 |
| chem|st | tbr: iirc he did break by flashing something else | 17:13 |
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| chem|st | not having a flasher+img is pretty scary I admit | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | it is, but go take a look at the factual conditions of the binaries that are on AOSP and such pages. | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | now that's scary | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | also, we don't need a flasher, fastboot's the flasher | 17:14 |
| chem|st | right | 17:14 |
| chem|st | well binaries to feed it to | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | we'd provide fw images if we could, but we can't (and i've explained this in depth somewhere) | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | and i've made sure that for whatever next partitioning scheme we'll have for a future potential thisisnotanannouncement we'd keep things a tad more seperated.. | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:15 |
| chem|st | yeah I know, some things you do not even have yourself and licensing bs | 17:15 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I've entertained this idea with many a hardware before. Binary extractor and then make your own recovery image. | 17:15 |
| tbr | or simply, as this is btrfs with snapshots, extract the BTRFS | 17:16 |
| chem|st | tbr: so if I have a perfectly good device I may pull an image with the recovery console which is then a snapshot I can feed to another device? | 17:16 |
| tbr | ofc, this is more a community thing | 17:16 |
| tbr | chem|st: sort of that thing, yes | 17:17 |
| chem|st | tbr: I am not sure if the recovery console is properly installed | 17:17 |
| tbr | chem|st: there are a few things that this won't save you from. a) broken recovery b) deletion of the config area/partition c) recovery not enabled | 17:18 |
| chem|st | as for the old devices you reflash to 1.0.0.5 | 17:18 |
| tbr | you don't reflash, you never flash unless you have a jolla flasher package | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | d) bootloader erase | 17:18 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I counted that as broken recovery, yes | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | bootloader erase you can't fix with fastboot or any public tools | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:18 |
| chem|st | tbr: yeah I mean the factory reset that reverts to a snapshot | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow | 17:19 |
| tbr | this obviously won't help here | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | there's nothing stopping anyone, from creating a tool that starts up a device in recovery mode, telnets in, selects shell, backups to microsd or over netcat to the host pc. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's just emmc partitions | 17:19 |
| tbr | but I thought I just throw this out there, to the people thinking about doing experiments | 17:19 |
| tbr | exactly | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | people have short memories though.. n9 doesn't officially have flashable images and the server providing them got shut down | 17:22 |
| chem|st | tbr: for all this you do not even need to unlock the bootloader do you? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | shell is there w/o bootloader unlock | 17:23 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: the images are on the nokia ftp | 17:23 |
| chem|st | publicly available | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | sure? navifirm got closed, from what i recall | 17:23 |
| chem|st | lately? | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | apr 2013 | 17:24 |
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| chem|st | then it is another ftp service | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 17:24 |
| chem|st | I was pulling images just lately and it was nokia.com in the url | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, that's not exactly an official channel for images when using random 3rd party protocol handlers.. :P | 17:24 |
| faenil | not closed, only "restricted" iirc? | 17:25 |
| chem|st | yeah doubt it | 17:25 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: still those images are signed by nokia, which at least prevents the drive-by "additions" you might get by getting it from $somewhere | 17:27 |
| SK_work | IIRC there is another navifirm-like tool now | 17:27 |
| chem|st | tbr: drive-by is a neat word for rootkits | 17:28 |
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| faenil | stephg, have a lookg https://together.jolla.com/question/43176/bug-photos-stop-sync-with-android-apps-when-you-close-heyday-with-/ | 17:34 |
| faenil | it seems somebody filed it already | 17:34 |
| faenil | more than a month ago | 17:34 |
| faenil | it has all the tags of this world | 17:35 |
| faenil | and, guess what, no reply from any sailor | 17:35 |
| faenil | (just proving my point from ML ;) ) | 17:35 |
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| faenil | oh wait, there's one from March! | 17:36 |
| faenil | https://together.jolla.com/question/31882/bug-new-images-taken-with-the-camera-wont-appear-in-android-apps/ | 17:36 |
| faenil | no reply... | 17:36 |
| M4rtinK | and that's why you need to have _one_ bug tracking system instance | 17:36 |
| M4rtinK | no chance in hell one can monitor multiple high volume ones | 17:37 |
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| faenil | M4rtinK, please express your opinions on the ML thread ;) | 17:38 |
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| M4rtinK | faenil: good point, will do :) | 17:38 |
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| faenil | thanks :) | 17:38 |
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| faenil | how can I trust TJC, please convince me to use TJC guys! | 17:40 |
| special | faenil: are we expected to reply to every TJC post? | 17:41 |
| special | no reply doesn't mean it's not noticed, fwiw. | 17:41 |
| faenil | special, read my posts on ML? (prereq) | 17:41 |
| special | I haven't, gmail has decided I'm not worthy of most of my email this week | 17:41 |
| M4rtinK | what about tagging posts that have a Jolla bugzilla bug by a special tag ? | 17:43 |
| special | sounds like it's worth suggesting | 17:44 |
| special | maybe mention that in reply to eric's recent email? | 17:44 |
| M4rtinK | like "bugzilla", "JB" or even the actual bug number: "JB23568" | 17:44 |
| faenil | special, okay, then let me sum up :) I wrote that TJC can't be used for bugs because there are too many threads and sailors can't spend their time reading all of them and *also* testing if the bug report is valid or not...because that's a fulltime job by itself...so my proposal was setting up a dedicated bug reporting tool for closed-source stuff of sailfish, whcih would be moderated by community. This way, bug reports a | 17:44 |
| faenil | re created, community checks and validates those, if the report is valid they publish it, if it's not, it gets discarded. This way sailors only have to look at this limited *AND* valid set of reports------------>Maximum efficiency | 17:44 |
| jake9xx | fogbugz :D | 17:44 |
| special | faenil: ok, out of my depth | 17:44 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, we use bug numbers in commit messages in Fedora, so that QA & scripts know that a bug has been fixed in a given release | 17:44 |
| special | M4rtinK: we try to avoid putting bug numbers in public mostly because it's rude | 17:45 |
| M4rtinK | rude ? why ? :) | 17:45 |
| special | referencing a magic number that is meaningful to people inside and useless to everyone else | 17:45 |
| M4rtinK | I see it as the exact opposite - "we have noticed you and are working on it" | 17:45 |
| special | if only an internal bz filing meant we were working on it :> | 17:46 |
| faenil | special, but eric replied that sailors read threads with the right tags, etc etc...so, you want to convince me that you file those bugs internally but don't reply to the thread because replying "thank you, we filed it in our internal bz" is too much effort? no, sorry, that won't work | 17:46 |
| M4rtinK | it is at least being tracked | 17:46 |
| M4rtinK | better than "never seen it" or "completely forgotten" | 17:46 |
| faenil | +1000000000000 | 17:46 |
| special | faenil: fwiw I have done that :p | 17:46 |
| faenil | special, done what | 17:46 |
| M4rtinK | faenil: +1 | 17:47 |
| special | read community reports, made internal bz comments about them, but never mentioned it in the original post | 17:47 |
| faenil | ... | 17:47 |
| special | not often, but it's happened | 17:47 |
| faenil | yeah but I guess we agree it's wrong | 17:47 |
| special | I wouldn't mind a better route for bugs particularly from TJC to internal tracking | 17:48 |
| faenil | don't expect people to file bugs and believe that you read those without even giving the minimum feedback | 17:48 |
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| special | it is certainly haphazard and easily ignored right now, and those aren't good things | 17:48 |
| special | (I don't mean to imply that it is ignored, of course) | 17:48 |
| faenil | special, it is fine, I am the first one to say that sailors can't spend their days reading those threads. As I wrote in the ML, TJC was cool because there was nothing at that time and it was better than nothing, but many months passed already, and it doesn't seem the situation changed...from my point of view (the guy who doesn't know if somebody ever read his thread) it only got worse with time, as sailors got fed up of | 17:51 |
| faenil | spending hours reading and filing | 17:51 |
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| special | corner eric and make him understand :p | 17:51 |
| faenil | but that's it, I'll leave you to your job now :) | 17:51 |
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| faenil | special, well his point is that they're developing automated systems to make the tracking easier etc etc...and that would be very cool, even if I got an automatic reply saying "I am a stupid bot, this bug has been filed into the internal bugtracker" | 17:52 |
| faenil | but it all depends on how long that's going to take | 17:52 |
| tbr | in this context I always like to bring up public sailfish bug no 1: pulley menu breaks | 17:52 |
| special | tbr: ? | 17:53 |
| tbr | It took 2-3 months until it ended up in internal BZ and over a year until it got fixed | 17:53 |
| faenil | special, but enough, I don't want to steal too much of your coding time ;) | 17:53 |
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| tbr | special: first mail in sailfish dev archive | 17:53 |
| special | tbr: I think we had bugs about pulley menu breakage in internal BZ for just as long. | 17:53 |
| special | faenil: it's 8pm, maybe I'm relaxing :p | 17:54 |
| faenil | special, ok, let me continue then.... | 17:54 |
| faenil | LOL :D | 17:54 |
| faenil | jk | 17:54 |
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| tbr | special: which is an easy claim as nobody can verify it unless they have access to JB | 17:54 |
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| special | tbr: my point being, things not getting fixed doesn't mean they're not known | 17:56 |
| special | and yes, we should acknowledge when we're aware of issues.. but it also needs to be done without creating expectations we can't keep | 17:56 |
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| tbr | which is a very slippery slope to nokia behaviour | 17:57 |
| special | I don't want people thinking I'm a useless asshole because I go around telling them I know about all of their bugs and then never fix them | 17:57 |
| special | (perhaps because there is no morale left after commenting on a few hundred bugs :p) | 17:58 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | dontgiveafuck status? | 17:58 |
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| mdxth | customerisadick | 17:59 |
| special | RESOLVED NOFUCKSLEFT | 17:59 |
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| Jabbounet_ | hi all | 18:00 |
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| * special idly browses the highest voted messages posts on tjc | 18:02 | |
| special | surprised to see OTR at the top | 18:03 |
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| faenil | also this thing that I have to sponsor my posts to get bugs noted...that's ok for features, but for bugs? | 18:04 |
| pdanek1 | Does it apply in general for LTE connections, or just 4G in my Jolla eats more battery than 3G? | 18:05 |
| faenil | not only am I helping you by reporting and giving details...but I also have to keep posting/tweeting/fb'ing so that it *eventually* gets noticed | 18:05 |
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| faenil | pdanek1, I think it's a general thing, not 100% sure though, don't know if new modems changed the situations | 18:06 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | tjc bugs should be assigned when noted by jolla ? | 18:06 |
| special | remember that all the time we spend juggling bugs is not spent solving bugs | 18:06 |
| special | and we don't have enough people to create a juggling team | 18:07 |
| special | so there's a balance to be made | 18:07 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | yes. but eg add JB id to tjc for visibilty ? | 18:08 |
| tbr | that's psychologically a bad idea actually | 18:08 |
| special | eric.leroux@jolla.com :p | 18:08 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | :) | 18:09 |
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| special | he can help with these concerns, I'm just here procrastinating | 18:09 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | i'm not psychologist... | 18:09 |
| tbr | as it /me idly ponders if he should trawl TJC and offer to verify against JB. Would be a pile of work, but it could really help the community a lot. (Disclaimer, yes, I'm not a Jolla employee, but I actually do have some limited access for $reasons) | 18:10 |
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| special | it is pretty challenging to turn user reports into technical reports | 18:11 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | agree... | 18:11 |
| tbr | special: trust me, I've been there. | 18:11 |
| tbr | special: if you want to know if I know how to file bugs, ask iekku. | 18:12 |
| special | tbr: oh, not questioning you | 18:12 |
| special | I just mean that it often involves area-specific knowledge too | 18:12 |
| chem|st | faenil: you do not need to sponsor your posts to get bugs noted, just tag it bug | 18:14 |
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| chem|st | and of course the proper other things to tag it with | 18:14 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | some of sanitisation could be done by community moderators? | 18:15 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | sanitisation = proper tags, reproduce testing etc? | 18:15 |
| faenil | chem|st, no, that's not enough unfortunately | 18:15 |
| faenil | and I brought just the first proof I could find as an example | 18:16 |
| chem|st | kimmoli_sailing_: that is already done without having mod status | 18:16 |
| faenil | special, so testers have specific knowledge in all fields? ;) | 18:16 |
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| faenil | (jolla's testers, that is) | 18:16 |
| chem|st | faenil: they are "experts" | 18:17 |
| faenil | kimmoli_sailing_, yes, if TJC wasn't a platform which is also made for a thousand other purposes | 18:17 |
| special | we only hire the best, and send them through an intensive eight week course on the platform architecture | 18:17 |
| faenil | chem|st, yes, experts in "testing" ;) | 18:18 |
| chem|st | faenil: ok I am one of those... I have a blendtech blender! | 18:18 |
| * special shouldn't make things up | 18:18 | |
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| faenil | special, lol | 18:19 |
| special | fair disclaimer: what I say doesn't represent jolla. or reality. | 18:19 |
| chem|st | special: +1 | 18:19 |
| M4rtinK | well, the people who report bugs to TJC 1) had o buy the device 2) took their own time to write the bug report 3) and all that for free for Jolla | 18:19 |
| chem|st | I'd send them to a 6week bootcamp to siberia | 18:19 |
| faenil | yeah, let's remember this is the NON-official channel.... #sailfishos is the official one | 18:20 |
| M4rtinK | so I would say these contributions should not be taken lightly - as long as it really is a bugreport | 18:20 |
| chem|st | with a single solar charger in winter | 18:20 |
| M4rtinK | not a just "Does not Internet!" post of course | 18:20 |
| special | M4rtinK: there are a lot of things that "should" be and just aren't because of constraints on time, effort, and money :| | 18:21 |
| chem|st | special: how do you get the OTR post at top? | 18:21 |
| special | chem|st: sorting by votes among my subscribed tags | 18:21 |
| special | it has 104 and I don't subscribe to things more popular than that | 18:21 |
| M4rtinK | special: and that why there is the friendly community constantly making sure you don't forget which things are important :) | 18:22 |
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| chem|st | ah you are looking at tags, I just filter irrelevant via ignored tags | 18:22 |
| special | chem|st: looking at tags relevant to my area, in particular | 18:23 |
| chem|st | guessed that yes | 18:23 |
| special | neat that so many people want OTR | 18:24 |
| chem|st | otr is pretty unimportant as there are especially no android clients able to cope with strict OTR | 18:24 |
| chem|st | it is nice though | 18:24 |
| special | pfft, android is unimportant. | 18:24 |
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| special | (reference the disclaimer about reality) | 18:25 |
| chem|st | that too | 18:25 |
| chem|st | the most important things to people using IM nowadays seems to be sharing pictures with a caption | 18:25 |
| chem|st | and other files | 18:26 |
| special | something XMPP is spectacularly terrible at | 18:26 |
| special | saw something neat the other day.. | 18:28 |
| special | http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2014/StatusReports#Alexandr_Akulich:_Telegram_Network_Support_for_Telepathy | 18:28 |
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| M4rtinK | well, there is a XEP for it: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0239.html | 18:29 |
| M4rtinK | :P | 18:29 |
| special | I'm very surprised if there's only one | 18:29 |
| M4rtinK | (binary data handling) | 18:29 |
| M4rtinK | this one is unique ;-) | 18:29 |
| special | haha | 18:30 |
| special | hadn't seen that before | 18:30 |
| chem|st | special: the goal is to make im like email, who wants can host a server, who does not want to care goes $webserviceproviderwithxmpp | 18:30 |
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| special | this week is a spectacularly bad week to try to sell me something by saying it's like email | 18:31 |
| special | I'm currently fighting SPF records putting most of my mails into spam because I had the audacity to want to forward my mails | 18:31 |
| chem|st | metaphorically.... please not technical, technical email is pretty stonage | 18:31 |
| chem|st | just like :// prefix | 18:32 |
| faenil | wait, is it really sending binary code as <zero/><one/> :D :D | 18:32 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | uh | 18:33 |
| chem|st | faenil: yes and there are people writting plugins for clients making use of it | 18:33 |
| special | apparently I've received 851 spam messages in the past 8 hours, nice. | 18:33 |
| faenil | well, you know what...if that's the only way...why not xD | 18:33 |
| faenil | special, congrats, champagne? | 18:34 |
| chem|st | special: cause SPF mismatch? | 18:34 |
| special | those ones are actually spam | 18:34 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 18:34 |
| special | sprinkled throughout are completely legitimate emails because of the SPF screwup | 18:34 |
| M4rtinK | faenil: that's just an april fools XEP IIRC | 18:34 |
| special | (yes gmail, you should definitely start filtering github because of a SPF failure even though I've received 30 similar github mails a day for the past few years) | 18:35 |
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| M4rtinK | faenil: like that "IP over avian cariers" and "Electricity over IP" RFCs | 18:35 |
| M4rtinK | *those | 18:35 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | RFC2324 my faw | 18:35 |
| faenil | M4rtinK, ah, okay XD I was a bit shocked but, if there's no other way... XD | 18:35 |
| chem|st | special: oh you are using gmail... I hate those idiots, I have the account set to bluntly fwd and still it does filter every new message into spam and only if I retrieve it future emails of that address do not get filtered there | 18:36 |
| M4rtinK | but I've actually heard from a WebOS app developer that he had to do something very similar for real | 18:36 |
| special | chem|st: I'm resisting self-hosting a whole email solution, but I lost my google apps account | 18:36 |
| faenil | hehe | 18:36 |
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| M4rtinK | to get the data from saved to disk in his painting program | 18:37 |
| chem|st | special: what is it a big deal? cause of backups? | 18:37 |
| special | hm? | 18:37 |
| special | I don't want to self host because it means I have to maintain something | 18:37 |
| M4rtinK | as the GUI layer had no direct way to write binary data to storage, only over some weird service/daemon | 18:37 |
| chem|st | hosting emails yourself? | 18:37 |
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| special | single points of failure are also unpleasant | 18:38 |
| chem|st | we are more or less painresistant to updates^^ | 18:38 |
| special | I could just destroy my personal life and only use work email | 18:38 |
| special | hmm. | 18:38 |
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| chem|st | you are a tech guy, you have friends maintaining their own shit, ask one of those | 18:39 |
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| special | I could marry someone without trusting them enough to host my email. | 18:39 |
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| chem|st | ok... | 18:40 |
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| special | it's the key to bank and credit accounts, my business, every other website I've ever used, and on and on.. | 18:41 |
| gogeta | And we lost another member ? | 18:41 |
| gogeta | https://together.jolla.com/question/48622/goodbye-jolla/#48632 | 18:41 |
| chem|st | gogeta: that one might be noticable! | 18:41 |
| chem|st | special: so you need a contract... | 18:42 |
| special | hm? | 18:42 |
| gogeta | cybette: good evening .... are not so good signals .... | 18:42 |
| chem|st | special: if a private person is not to trust, you need a company you have a contract with | 18:42 |
| faenil | gogeta, well, basically nieldk followed an unsupported route to update his phone, something bad happened, and his jolla is now dead | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | care can deal with it, anyho | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | w | 18:43 |
| special | I trust that google has too many other people to worry about, and the US government wouldn't find anything they can't find anyway | 18:43 |
| gogeta | is not the first case of stress | 18:43 |
| faenil | gogeta, and he (unfairly) seems to believe this is jolla's fault | 18:43 |
| gogeta | but my phone is going to have some problem too | 18:43 |
| chem|st | special: but they mess with your mail | 18:43 |
| gogeta | today 3 unexpected shutdown | 18:44 |
| chem|st | google denies emails and filters as spam without the possibility to turn it off | 18:44 |
| gogeta | and nothing is changed in last week | 18:44 |
| special | well, yes | 18:44 |
| gogeta | apart iodine | 18:44 |
| chem|st | gogeta: battery percentages at the shutdowns? | 18:44 |
| gogeta | 60 | 18:44 |
| special | so now I tolerate google until I find another solution that requires equal or lesser effort to tolerating google :> | 18:44 |
| faenil | gogeta, if it's HWSMPL and it happens often-> send it to care | 18:44 |
| M4rtinK | gogeta: hopefully not all is lost yet | 18:45 |
| M4rtinK | gogeta: regarding nieldk | 18:45 |
| chem|st | so that has now enough data to be a statistic... I know about 10 people having reboot issues when the battery is around a specific charge lvl | 18:45 |
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| faenil | woah | 18:46 |
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| tbr | tonights IRC weather: hot and splitty | 18:46 |
| gogeta | so much time :-D | 18:46 |
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| pdanek1 | Did Linus ever consider going for hybrid kernel? | 19:02 |
| pdanek1 | Instead of monolithic? | 19:03 |
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| attah | Is anyone else having problems going in to the related app from calendar and email notifications? (can't seem to find the tjc) | 19:09 |
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| attah | Blank html emails are one thing.. but a lot of times the apps doesn't even come up... :( | 19:09 |
| kimmoli | i have only issue with "missed / passed by calendar alarms" but that seems to be a feature. would love to see what i missed when clickin notification about that | 19:10 |
| attah | kimmoli: Hmm, feature? It at least used to bring up the calendar event.. | 19:11 |
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| kimmoli | not if you have missed it... | 19:13 |
| kimmoli | not nevö for me | 19:13 |
| attah | as opposed to what? :S | 19:13 |
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| kimmoli | calendar event with still in future opens that event nicely... but not expired ones (?) | 19:14 |
| attah | so, if i understand you correctly... you're saying that missed reminders for a current event brings it up | 19:16 |
| attah | and "historic" events doesn't? | 19:17 |
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| kimmoli | something like that | 19:18 |
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| attah | that's... strange | 19:19 |
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| attah | does anyone happen to know? ;) | 19:25 |
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| pdanek | Hey guys, do some of you use Ubuntu as primary desktop? | 19:29 |
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| M4rtinK | used it in the past | 19:35 |
| M4rtinK | but now I have Fedora everywhere | 19:35 |
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| Quu | in your head too? :p | 19:38 |
| M4rtinK | yes, sometimes also on my head :) | 19:39 |
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| * faenil eyes tigeli | 20:35 | |
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| pdanek | Because Ubuntu wants to integrate Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu desktop completely. | 20:36 |
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| pdanek | So he experience will be like new iOS 6 with OSX, or even better, phone connected to desktop | 20:36 |
| faenil | that's the goal, yes | 20:36 |
| pdanek | And as much as I love Sailfish, that idea of integration with desktop looks very tempting | 20:36 |
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| pdanek | Also, Android is doing the same with Chrome OS | 20:37 |
| pdanek | And I expect Windows Phone to do the same with WIndows 8 | 20:37 |
| pdanek | mobile and desktops will integrate on most of platforms | 20:37 |
| pdanek | Sailfish may have disadvantage in this. | 20:38 |
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| faenil | it may integrate with linuxes just as well | 20:38 |
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| gogeta | we really need it ? | 20:39 |
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| gogeta | the phonified desktops for ? | 20:40 |
| gogeta | *they | 20:40 |
| pdanek1 | But it won't be out of the box experience like Ubuntu with Ubuntu Touch can be | 20:40 |
| pdanek1 | for dummy users | 20:40 |
| pdanek1 | Or like OSX and iOS 6 is | 20:40 |
| gogeta | I love one thing of apple | 20:41 |
| gogeta | iOS emulator | 20:41 |
| gogeta | and hw | 20:41 |
| pdanek1 | gogeta: so you can send sms from computer, or call from computer, through your phone | 20:41 |
| gogeta | for the rest .... | 20:41 |
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| pdanek1 | gogeta: phone notifications on PC | 20:41 |
| gogeta | dbus | 20:41 |
| faenil | pdanek1, what's difficult about that | 20:41 |
| faenil | I can't see why that shouldn't be possible via a dedicated app | 20:42 |
| pdanek1 | Yea, probably. | 20:42 |
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| faenil | (I could be wrong :D ) | 20:42 |
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| gogeta | faenil: trust me | 20:42 |
| pdanek | BUt I relize, that market is all about following. | 20:42 |
| gogeta | is very simple | 20:42 |
| pdanek | Always when one company releases something | 20:42 |
| faenil | gogeta, ;) | 20:43 |
| pdanek | All other big companies do the same thing | 20:43 |
| pdanek | Ubuntu came with integration | 20:43 |
| pdanek | Apple now implemented it | 20:43 |
| pdanek | Google has shown it as well | 20:43 |
| pdanek | and I bet M$ will soon do the same | 20:43 |
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| gogeta | play with ur things | 20:44 |
| pdanek | ? | 20:44 |
| pdanek | What do you mean gogeta? | 20:45 |
| gogeta | Why plan features when ur sailfish os need more infrastructure and framework to be competitive ? | 20:46 |
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| pdanek | Ah noo, I'm just discussing, nothing serious. | 20:47 |
| pdanek | I like to be hypothetic. | 20:47 |
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| M4rtinK | pdanek: I'll believe it when I see it :) | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: so far Ubuntu is mainly flying "paper airplanes" in this regard | 20:48 |
| faenil | can you guys check your android phonebook and see if everything shows okay? | 20:48 |
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| M4rtinK | lots of pretty images and promises, little real stuff | 20:49 |
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| M4rtinK | is it doable ? well, of course it is - any most of the building blocks are there already | 20:50 |
| M4rtinK | have a central data storage (pictures, contacts, emails, IM/SMS) and access it over DBUS | 20:51 |
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| M4rtinK | depending on the current form factor you run the phone/tablet or PC shell | 20:51 |
| gogeta | compile android is awful experience | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | with the corresponding set of form factor optimized apps | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | still quite a lot of work to get it right | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | gogeta: tell me about it :P I've rebuild pyside on Android, it was an "interesting" experience | 20:53 |
| gogeta | pyside | 20:53 |
| gogeta | i'm talking about base os | 20:53 |
| gogeta | i'm starting from Situ work | 20:54 |
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| M4rtinK | that sounds like even more "fun" :) | 20:56 |
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| M4rtinK | than a mere library like in my case :) | 20:56 |
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| tigeli | faenil: what? :D | 21:41 |
| faenil | tigeli, pre-RC connman fixes? :P | 21:42 |
| tigeli | faenil: maybe, maybe not :D | 21:43 |
| faenil | :D | 21:43 |
| tigeli | faenil: well at least captive portal handling should work now better | 21:43 |
| tigeli | or so that the browser actually gets opened | 21:43 |
| tigeli | when needed | 21:43 |
| faenil | :) | 21:43 |
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| tigeli | I don't really like how some webservers are returning some obscure http-codes | 21:45 |
| faenil | :/ | 21:46 |
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| lpotter | one problem is that if the browser is backgrounded, it won't popup | 21:50 |
| lpotter | as in, the page is loaded, but doesn't popup in front of the settings app | 21:50 |
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| tigeli | lpotter: I don't really get that 000 status code :D | 21:51 |
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| tigeli | lpotter: though it must be a bug in gweb.c | 21:51 |
| tigeli | but it does not happen always | 21:52 |
| tigeli | but often enough | 21:52 |
| tigeli | lpotter: btw. for me it pops up the browser from the background | 21:53 |
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| lpotter | tigeli: it happens always with hotspotsystem | 21:57 |
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| lpotter | sputnik doesn't though | 22:04 |
| lpotter | but hotspotsystem seems to use a proxy | 22:04 |
| tigeli | lpotter: do you want to send patch to upstream?-) at least for those 000 and 505 cases? | 22:06 |
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| lpotter | hmmm | 22:09 |
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| tigeli | lpotter: though in ideal world connman would ditch the x-connman-header-thing | 22:12 |
| tigeli | lpotter: also.. even they are adding routes to each step in wispr.c, it does not guarantee that the dns->A-record will be the same for browser | 22:14 |
| tigeli | itttts broken | 22:14 |
| tigeli | so only way to guarantee anything is to make sure that the default route is pointing to the interface having the captive portal | 22:16 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello ! | 22:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello SK_work, my twin that is at work | 22:27 |
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| raa79 | which one is evil? | 22:41 |
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