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| Quu | its too early | 03:59 |
| Stskeeps | uh-huh | 03:59 |
| Stskeeps | i have a 7:30am meeting, this should be fun.. | 03:59 |
| Quu | eww :D | 03:59 |
| Jonni | meetings are always fun :) | 04:00 |
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| walokra | (white collar) work shouldn't be allowed before 9am :) | 04:21 |
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| Stskeeps | timezones.. :P | 04:22 |
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| Sailor356 | hi.guys, i have a problem with my jolla. there is no sound anymore. reboot don't solve this problem. . | 05:15 |
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| chriadam | Sailor356: have you enabled an ambience which has silenced sounds? try changing your ambience. | 05:21 |
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| kimmoli | Sailor356_: can you test is there sounds from headphones? does the audio work when placing call (earpiece) ? | 05:27 |
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| Sailor356_ | kimmoli: sounds form headphones work's | 05:52 |
| kimmoli | If just the speaker is silent, then _contact_ _care _- inform that you have this issue - then you can try to play e.g. sexpistols, take toh off, gently (GENTLY) squeeze, press and twist the phone from the bottom part. Sexpistols worked for me. | 05:54 |
| Jope | :--D | 05:54 |
| Jope | sex töpzels | 05:54 |
| kimmoli | oink | 05:54 |
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| Sail0r | yay hit another bug this morning | 05:59 |
| Sail0r | battery at 17 % started browser 10s later phone turns off low battery | 05:59 |
| tbr | many phones suck at the estimation of the lower end of battery. especially if suddenly consumption goes up. | 06:01 |
| stephg | yeah I think the sudden bit is key there... | 06:01 |
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| kimmoli | specially tricky in low temperature.. | 06:02 |
| tbr | yeah, that totally sucks. I get much less out of my batteries during finnish winter | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | i vote for nuklear reactors in our devices | 06:03 |
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| tbr | nucular, the word is nucular! </homer> | 06:03 |
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| kimmoli | fuelcell would be nice | 06:03 |
| tbr | ethanol fuelcells maybe | 06:03 |
| kimmoli | or fart-powered. juts stick the phon... ok, youll get it | 06:03 |
| stephg | tbr: one for me, one for you... | 06:04 |
| stephg | kimmoli: parp | 06:04 |
| tbr | indeed | 06:04 |
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| Sail0r | interesting the last time it rebooted itself | 06:06 |
| Sail0r | the log says it started by userkey | 06:06 |
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| Sail0r | what does that mean: "20140609_210637 Received: dsme internal state ACTDEAD " it happens pretty often | 06:08 |
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| tbr | Sail0r: actdead happens e.g. if you leave usb connected while shutting down. it won't shut down but act dead and charge | 06:13 |
| Sail0r | ah cooll | 06:13 |
| Sail0r | -l | 06:14 |
| Sail0r | thx | 06:14 |
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| artemma | How's Sailfish performance on Nexus 4? Much faster/slower than on Jolla hardware? What if you launch hell a lot of resource instensive apps (Browser, email, play music on CuteSpotify, some Android app)? | 07:41 |
| artemma | that actually describes my typical freezing-jolla workflow :) | 07:41 |
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| Stskeeps | artemma: well, it has 2gb of RAM which just helps a lot ;) | 07:43 |
| ggabriel | tbh, transitions seem slower | 07:43 |
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| ggabriel | but ask stephg/sledges | 07:43 |
| ggabriel | screen has higher resolution, so transitions may seem slower becuase they're not tunned properly | 07:43 |
| ggabriel | and i personally didn't notice much difference when opening a browser | 07:44 |
| ggabriel | but i haven't tested a heavy js page for instance | 07:44 |
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| sledges | artemma: no android apps on n4 | 07:45 |
| sledges | so all smooth :DD | 07:45 |
| * sledges hids | 07:45 | |
| ggabriel | ah, yeah, that too :P | 07:45 |
| sledges | hides even | 07:45 |
| ggabriel | nor maps | 07:45 |
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| ggabriel | i haven't used android yet on my jolla | 07:45 |
| artemma | sledges: I manage to freeze Jolla even without Android app - several apps with browser content inside are usually enough :) | 07:46 |
| artemma | Though some android stuff is probably still running in the background | 07:46 |
| ggabriel | artemma: i'd try to switch off alien dalvik tbh | 07:46 |
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| ggabriel | as in, when not in use, switch off the service | 07:46 |
| artemma | ggabriel: I killdroid soemtimes to get a bit of performance | 07:47 |
| ggabriel | but ur right re multiple applications with web content | 07:47 |
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| ggabriel | there are also 2 different engines used :) | 07:47 |
| artemma | can't live completely with Dalvik - Friends don't show facebook events well yet and there's no native instagram and Jolla Maps are super slow and don't find much | 07:47 |
| sledges | i used to killdroid a lot, but now android_server and some other pests get less cpu-hungry | 07:47 |
| artemma | once these three things are solved I can try living nativr | 07:47 |
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| artemma | can't live completely *without* dalvik | 07:48 |
| artemma | oh, so killdroid isn't killing everything. Ok, thanks, will check how to stop android completely | 07:48 |
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| ggabriel | artemma: wasn't it systemctl aliendalvik.service stop (or something along those lines)? | 07:49 |
| artemma | yesterday though I noticed when cutespotify started chopping music, it was actually contactsd eating 40%+ of CPU | 07:49 |
| ggabriel | ah, good old sync | 07:49 |
| ggabriel | happens | 07:49 |
| artemma | that sure left me surprised about the multimedia priorities in Jolla | 07:49 |
| ggabriel | probably a good suggestion for tjc ;) (lower priority of sync daemons) | 07:50 |
| artemma | I mean music playback reliability can't depend on the skills of programmers writing all other apps in the system | 07:50 |
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| ggabriel | trouble is i/o priority in linux is usually tricky | 07:50 |
| * artemma remembers tuning multimedia priorities in Symbian times | 07:50 | |
| ggabriel | i am of hte opinion that if you download a crappy application and you find it's crappy, then you should delete it | 07:50 |
| ggabriel | in the same way that you don't buy pastries in the shop that doesn't make good pastries | 07:51 |
| ggabriel | otoh, priorities should be set right generically | 07:51 |
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| artemma | ggabriel: have you seen iPhone screenshots with 200+ apps? How would you suggest figuring out which exactly one is bad? And what to do when it happens to be contactsd | 07:52 |
| artemma | oh well, I am sure magic cgroups will solve that as wel, probably no point to complaign more | 07:52 |
| artemma | on a more positive manner: does anybody have a clue about the business idea behind Sailfish on Android? | 07:53 |
| artemma | Just wondering: it looks like hell a lot of effort went into it and.. for what? | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: i can tell technical reasons for the sailfish on n4 stuff, business reasons is a bit different area than mine | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | business reason may include however that it simply saves costs and keeps the knives sharp, though | 07:54 |
| artemma | technical reasons? | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | yup | 07:54 |
| * artemma can't quite see how porting onto several devices mre decreases costs.. | 07:54 | |
| Stskeeps | long story short by enabling us to put sailfishos on a lot of devices, and writing it up how to, we are much more agile into moving into new device projects or partnerships | 07:55 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: high five! | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | and we keep the stack capable, than if we were just stuck on a android based 4.1.2 jolla device | 07:55 |
| artemma | By technical reasons you mean something like: the pure exercise of porting to N4 forced us to improve SOS? | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes -- and because we're faster into moving into other projects as we can apply same methods, we save time, and you know, time is money | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | ie, bringing up a device is super easier these days | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | when you try the same in the race of getting a new hw in, you don't have time to do it right | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | and often, the HW prototypes are unstable | 07:56 |
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| artemma | oh.. working on a real next device hardware would sound a bit more logical to me, but maybe you don't have a clue about the next device hw.. | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | it also enables wider group to work on getting stack ready for next hardwares, such as being able to demo and develop for let's say, a 4K display | 07:57 |
| artemma | I wonder if it's legal for operators to push SOS onto Nexus phones and sell right away | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | or understand challenges on new GPUs | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | so from a tech+biz pov it makes a boatload of sense.. not to mention recruitment base | 07:58 |
| artemma | okay, so you are saying that real pointo of N4 was just having a good example of reference HW.. okay | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | it really sucks to come to a new platform and find out your modem code simply doesn't work with it, or you need to spend a month debugging hwcomposer or gralloc interfacing (true story..) | 07:59 |
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| artemma | well, if jolla indeed has big plans on coming to loads of new HW, I guess N4/5 make some sense then.. | 07:59 |
| artemma | if it's just one device a year - then N4/5 exercise sounds more like too expensie toy | 08:00 |
| artemma | I am in no position to give advices certainly | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | you probably also think of it from a european pov though | 08:00 |
| ggabriel | artemma: re iphone comment, well, ios hasn't got multitasking :) but point taken, you can have a good application to figure out who is resource hungry. time will tell i guess. +1 cgroups (if cgroups worked properly :P ) | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | asia has totally different view on SW within mobiles | 08:00 |
| artemma | ggabriel: to be honest I think that the need for the *user* to keep monitoring which exactly apps can and cannt coexist is a shame for the platform (especially if it's not sometimes, if it's something you have to monitor all the time)(, but I realize there are different points of view. I remember when I was young and had fun tweaking windows registry every other day to keep machine crawling slightly faster | 08:02 |
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| artemma | that said being somebody who cares about platform development, I wouldn't mind to install some long term monitor to send jolla stats on which exactly process combinations make UI freeze | 08:04 |
| artemma | or even some semi manual monitor for me to submit meaningful freeze reports | 08:04 |
| artemma | but that's for development, not for the real users | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: as a general comment though if you wonder, n4 work is done by a small team of 3-4 people, so it's not -that- expensive.. | 08:05 |
| ggabriel | artemma: yup, completely agree, reinstalling windows and all that | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | and it's improving the platform at same time | 08:05 |
| ggabriel | artemma: if you think about it, this happens today with mobile devices anyway "my device is too slow, i'll buy a new one/factory reset it" | 08:06 |
| * artemma wishes there was a similar UX team unifying the UI, creating guidelines and cutting out hanging out body parts from developers making inconsistent apps | 08:06 | |
| * artemma doesn't remember reinstalling his Mac OSX for performance reasons like.. ever | 08:07 | |
| Stskeeps | artemma: well, ux team doesn't do the cutting out body parts, that's aards job, but strictly speaking design comes from design -> developers implement.. | 08:07 |
| artemma | let's hope end users will love it | 08:08 |
| artemma | so far surveys seem to be positive mostly | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah but probably also circulated in certain circles.. | 08:08 |
| artemma | though public ones are taken mostly among the fans who are fan enough to actually buy jolla | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | i've recently seen claims of 10000 ubuntu touch users, ie, connected once to ubuntu one.. a much more meaningful metric is how many devices are still alive after a month of first registry | 08:09 |
| * artemma wpuld love to see at least a working download counter for his apps.. let alone the activity graph for them | 08:10 | |
| Aard | artemma: getting multiple versions support live in store is a bit more important for now :p | 08:10 |
| artemma | sure | 08:11 |
| Aard | plus, vacation ;) | 08:11 |
| * artemma wonders if a download graph would show the N4/5 image distribution effect | 08:11 | |
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| * AL13N_work is missing his jolla :-( | 14:44 | |
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| stephg | :( | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | :S | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | lock code? | 14:50 |
| AL13N_work | no, shipping for repair | 14:50 |
| * ggabriel keeps thinking that his jolla should "call home" if e.g., it hasn't connected to the $HOME wifi in a week | 14:51 | |
| ggabriel | ah, so not stolen | 14:51 |
| AL13N_work | no, but still, it's gonna take a while before i get it back | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | yup | 14:51 |
| AL13N_work | and it's my primary phone | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i had the n9 for a few hours this weekend | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | and i missed the jolla :) | 14:51 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 14:51 |
| AL13N_work | well, hopefully, the random reboot + sim card holder + wifi packet loss issue will be resolved | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | x\o | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | (that's fingers crossed if you were wondering) | 14:52 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: I still wonders :P | 14:53 |
| AL13N_work | though i must say that i did remove the paper fix about a week ago, and hadn't experienced the random reboot | 14:53 |
| AL13N_work | but at least the sim card holder 'll be fixed | 14:53 |
| AL13N_work | if the wifi packet loss would be gone, that'd be a plus | 14:53 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: tbh: i still can't see that | 14:54 |
| AL13N_work | \/ | 14:54 |
| AL13N_work | /\ | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | i can't think of a better way of crossing fingers | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | x-o wouldn't work | 14:54 |
| * AL13N_work neither | 14:54 | |
| ggabriel | xo looks like a kiss and a hug | 14:54 |
| AL13N_work | +-o | 14:54 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 14:54 |
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| AL13N_work | that'd be more like breaking fingers | 14:54 |
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| AL13N_work | ah wait, where's that special char that's like a mix of | and \ | 14:55 |
| AL13N_work | like the l in michal | 14:56 |
| AL13N_work | i've seen this somewhere, was is polish? | 14:56 |
| AL13N_work | or something skandinavian? | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | oy | 14:56 |
| javispedro | hm, wifi packet loss? | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | (peace sign like the japanese do) | 14:56 |
| AL13N_work | javispedro: been talking with Sage for a while about it | 14:57 |
| stephg | hey ggabriel how's tricks | 14:57 |
| AL13N_work | ł | 14:58 |
| AL13N_work | ɫ̪ | 14:58 |
| goroboro | #fingers | 14:58 |
| goroboro | :P | 14:58 |
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| goroboro | that channel is full of hopefuls | 14:59 |
| AL13N_work | ✊✋✌ 👍☝👆 👈👉👋 💼💾👐 👊👇👏 | 15:00 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: any of these? | 15:00 |
| AL13N_work | i don't have fonts for all of those | 15:00 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: o/ all good, you? | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: i see the utf-16 codes :P | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | the joy of irssi on vanilla openbsd | 15:01 |
| stephg | ggabriel: yeah all good, had great fun on Sunday, was good to catch up | 15:02 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: yeah, good laughs. i could have kept drinking, glad i didn't | 15:02 |
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| ggabriel | glad nobody said "let's go to a club in shoreditch" | 15:02 |
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| goroboro | ah nightbusses home... I remember those days | 15:03 |
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| stephg | ha no, we're getting old ;) | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i have a direct one | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | stephg: it's not the age, it's the company you're with | 15:04 |
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| ggabriel | also, responsibilities, more than age | 15:05 |
| stephg | speaking of which, does anyone actually know if ballock made his flight? ;) | 15:05 |
| goroboro | and whether or not you stopped on the way to pick up a dodgy kebab or one of those sausage rolls that the street vendors all seem to be cooking at around 2am in the center of London | 15:05 |
| AL13N_work | i always went on bike... that way i didn't have to worry about the last bus | 15:05 |
| stephg | AL13N_work: that was my strategy | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | stephg: good point | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | goroboro: yeah, kebabs are tricky, those dodgy hotdogs are a "no no" | 15:06 |
| goroboro | or you have to worry more about the last bus... and whether or not you will be able to dodge it in your inebriated state | 15:06 |
| AL13N_work | though sometimes i had to be 40min on bike | 15:06 |
| AL13N_work | if you go out late enough on bike, you don't need to worry about the last bus, the only cars you'll see will be the cops | 15:07 |
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| * goroboro never stays out that late :D:D:D | 15:07 | |
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| AL13N_work | i once went home around 5:30 and went left accross a big intersection, but through red, cause there was only one car in the distance | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | or you can just walk home | 15:07 |
| AL13N_work | bad for me, it was the cops | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | lol | 15:07 |
| goroboro | ha ha | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | i couldn't see that, it was only headlights | 15:08 |
| goroboro | lesson learned | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | they stopped me of course | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't get anything though | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | they just harassed me a bit and sent me on my way | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | well, they drove next to me and put the window down | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | yeah, don't do that | 15:09 |
| AL13N_work | and talked to me | 15:09 |
| goroboro | to be fair... english coppers are pretty decent that way | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | you'd be shot dead in other places in the world | 15:09 |
| AL13N_work | after a bit, while i was still biking along, they said to stop anyway and show my papers | 15:09 |
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| AL13N_work | tbf: most copper don't want the paperwork | 15:09 |
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| goroboro | wtf... you need paperwork to cycle in London | 15:10 |
| goroboro | I never knew that... I probably broke the law plenty when I was living there :D:D:D | 15:10 |
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| AL13N_work | lol | 15:11 |
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| AL13N_work | but i meant the paperwork of shooting someone or actually reporting anything really | 15:11 |
| goroboro | ah... | 15:11 |
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| AL13N_work | if you're not doing anything too illegal and it's not the end of the month/year you'll be fine and go along with a non-official warning | 15:12 |
| goroboro | still I probably broke the law plenty living in London :D | 15:12 |
| AL13N_work | they probably need some kind of quota, so the end of the month/year is bad | 15:12 |
| goroboro | christmas is never a good time to fuck with a copper | 15:12 |
| AL13N_work | indeed | 15:13 |
| AL13N_work | my collegue was stopped by cops at one point | 15:13 |
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| AL13N_work | where he had to say that he didn't have his wallet/identity papers/car papers/insurance papers and had to admit it wasn't his car | 15:13 |
| CoderCandy | Filling crime quotas sounds silly... | 15:14 |
| goroboro | lol | 15:14 |
| AL13N_work | and still got off with a warning | 15:14 |
| goroboro | as I said, english coppers are pretty decent | 15:14 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 15:14 |
| AL13N_work | it depends on the cop, really | 15:14 |
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| goroboro | I've had a couple of warnings in my time | 15:14 |
| goroboro | I think also your attitude | 15:15 |
| goroboro | if you're decent to them... they're pretty chilled out | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | my ex-neighbour had his driving license withdrawn by the cops at his house | 15:15 |
| goroboro | yeah... I watched a neighbour get nabbed a year back | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | he said to them (and i was there, i heard him): "now is not a good time, i'll give it in 2 months" | 15:15 |
| goroboro | rofl | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | and the copper actually accepted that | 15:16 |
| goroboro | wow | 15:16 |
| AL13N_work | i was like wtf | 15:16 |
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| FIQ | lol | 15:16 |
| AL13N_work | though, it was his seventh time, so i guess he knew the copper pretty well | 15:16 |
| AL13N_work | always drunk driving too fast | 15:16 |
| AL13N_work | well, he was an alcoholic | 15:16 |
| goroboro | neighbour opposite me pulled into his driveway... staggered out of his car... clearly been drinking a bit... and opened his front door... 2 mins later the cops pulled up and took his license | 15:16 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 15:17 |
| CoderCandy | man, if you're driving drunk you shouödn't have your license... Even if it's "not a good time" tight now. | 15:17 |
| CoderCandy | right* | 15:17 |
| CoderCandy | shouldn't | 15:17 |
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| CoderCandy | I hate touch keyboards :( | 15:18 |
| goroboro | you shouldn't be on irc if you're drunk either :P | 15:18 |
| goroboro | just teasing | 15:18 |
| FIQ | haha | 15:18 |
| CoderCandy | speaking of, FIQ, did you want my n900 spare parts? | 15:19 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, a client just called... he had troubles with his line... i saw he maxed out at 40/3 | 15:19 |
| AL13N_work | now he switched to 200/10 | 15:19 |
| AL13N_work | wtf | 15:19 |
| AL13N_work | mbit | 15:19 |
| FIQ | CoderCandy, nah, not worth it imo, but thanks for the offer! :p | 15:19 |
| CoderCandy | okai | 15:20 |
| AL13N_work | CoderCandy: you're completely right + there shouldn't be a 7th time to begin with.... i mean 7 times revoked in about 10y... | 15:20 |
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| CoderCandy | ... shit | 15:21 |
| FIQ | cops never heard about permabans? | 15:21 |
| AL13N_work | btw: we had a collegue, and he got his license revoked (3rd time), he still drove to work, even when the insurance expired... | 15:21 |
| FIQ | nice | 15:21 |
| goroboro | I think you should be able to drive drunk as long as you can prove that every other citizen within a mile radius of everywhere that you drove was more drunk than you | 15:21 |
| AL13N_work | i was in his car just once | 15:21 |
| AL13N_work | but never again | 15:22 |
| AL13N_work | that guy was a danger to society | 15:22 |
| FIQ | it's people like him that is the reason for all these accidents | 15:22 |
| CoderCandy | goroboro: maybe, as lobg as all other citizens are also driving | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | we should have self driving cars or proper public transport... or both | 15:22 |
| CoderCandy | long* | 15:22 |
| AL13N_work | he drove in tight streets swerving around cars at 120km/h when the max was 70km/h | 15:22 |
| goroboro | CoderCandy: sounds like south africa when I was a kid :) | 15:23 |
| AL13N_work | i wonder if i can drive drunk legally in one of those self-driving cars | 15:23 |
| goroboro | mmmm self driving cars ftw! | 15:23 |
| AL13N_work | i bet there is no laws for that, so they'll stop for alcohol test you anyway | 15:23 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: point | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | self driving cars+updated laws | 15:24 |
| AL13N_work | though tbh, i would NEVER trust such a car | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | like they ask for id for non alcoholic beer :P | 15:24 |
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| AL13N_work | i don't trust technology | 15:24 |
| FIQ | and yet you're here | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: so, your house isn't wired with cables that carry electricity? :) | 15:25 |
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| ggabriel | and your only protection is your CU that may or may not work?! | 15:25 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: sure, but that's simple physics | 15:26 |
| AL13N_work | FIQ: true that | 15:26 |
| FIQ | well the ones that believes that self driving cards would null accidents are silly | 15:26 |
| FIQ | *cars | 15:26 |
| AL13N_work | i'm using it, but i'm not trusting my life with it | 15:26 |
| FIQ | but it would probably reduce them since humans suck anyway | 15:26 |
| AL13N_work | true | 15:27 |
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| AL13N_work | humans do suck | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: what you're saying is that you don't trust the algorithm that's written to drive those cars | 15:27 |
| goroboro | mmm with comms between cars and enough sensors.. I reckon you would eventually end the majority of road accidents if you outlawed human driven vehicles | 15:27 |
| goroboro | way way in the future | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | the auto car won't start if the tiny position light doesn't work | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | so, you'd reduce accidents except for bugs | 15:28 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: i trust that algorithm just fine, just not the programmer, cause he definately missed and/or forgot corner cases | 15:28 |
| chem|st | sledges: did anyone have a S5 qi pad working with jolla's connectors? | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: well, that was my point. also, corner cases? no pun intended? :) | 15:28 |
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| AL13N_work | heh | 15:28 |
| chem|st | sledges: I try to find one that just may fit without much of a DIY | 15:29 |
| goroboro | car virus | 15:29 |
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| sledges | chem|st: pad or sticker? | 15:29 |
| sledges | (charger or receiver respectivelly) | 15:29 |
| chem|st | receiver | 15:30 |
| chem|st | so sticker | 15:30 |
| sledges | the ones going around seemd to be from s3 | 15:30 |
| AL13N_work | i bet you could hack the cars so that they would go out of your way | 15:30 |
| AL13N_work | so you could race in big traffic | 15:30 |
| AL13N_work | scary though | 15:30 |
| goroboro | if they were running sailfishos :D | 15:31 |
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| FIQ | :D | 15:31 |
| AL13N_work | the problem would be if the hack failed because the winCE OS was down | 15:31 |
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| AL13N_work | this reminds me, someone from xen told me at FOSDEM that they had requests from the automobile industry for virt on ARM, cause they wanted to split the sensors part from the multimedia part | 15:32 |
| chem|st | sledges: does it fit? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41-1lrZw4FL.jpg | 15:33 |
| FIQ | virt? | 15:33 |
| FIQ | oh | 15:33 |
| FIQ | virtualization | 15:33 |
| AL13N_work | it's still only the readout part of sensors... but still | 15:33 |
| AL13N_work | those cars with hud are probably just running the hud and dashboard stuff on the same system as the multimedia | 15:34 |
| sledges | chem|st: quite likely, you will need to scissor its right edge a bit (as in your photo) | 15:34 |
| AL13N_work | scary | 15:34 |
| sledges | chem|st: for a reference: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152266208659195&set=a.10152266206804195.1073741839.770469194&type=1&permPage=1 | 15:34 |
| sledges | (barely seen, but enough in hindsight) | 15:34 |
| sledges | :) | 15:34 |
| chem|st | sledges: oh well I can just try it, it is 9.5eur | 15:35 |
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| chem|st | sledges: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Wq0XeZvpL._SL1500_.jpg that one might fit even better... I ordered this one now, as soon as I have my jolla back I will share results | 15:48 |
| sledges | chem|st: just don't mix up polarity, and easiest when it has two pins only | 15:49 |
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| AL13N_work | will it go boom? | 15:50 |
| chem|st | sledges: worst thing happening, I need to fit it in upside down right? | 15:51 |
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| sledges | chem|st: yes, and you might run out of space or end up bending the ribbon cable | 15:51 |
| chem|st | left is gnd right? | 15:52 |
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| chem|st | right is +5 | 15:52 |
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| sledges | toh sdk needs doublechecking | 15:53 |
| chem|st | I mean on the device | 15:53 |
| AL13N_work | can't you measure it? when it's turned on the pins will likely have +5V on them | 15:54 |
| AL13N_work | due to battery | 15:54 |
| chem|st | ah yeah, something needs to power toh... | 15:55 |
| chem|st | or is it the 3V only? | 15:55 |
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| AL13N_work | eh no, i mean the pins are probably connected to the charger components anyway so if you plug in the phone, you might measure 5V on those pins | 15:57 |
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| ggabriel | somebody said somewhere that connecting the usb charger disconnects those pins | 15:57 |
| AL13N_work | if you do measure a difference then you know which one is + and which one is - | 15:57 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: that's a possibility | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | or at least the ability to charge from those pins | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | this was a long time ago tho | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | beer may have altered that part of the memory | 15:58 |
| AL13N_work | either way, possibly even the battery charge might give some voltage difference | 15:58 |
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| AL13N_work | i doubt it's a real disconnect, most often it's either just open, or regulated by switching logic, in which case it's possible that there is a voltage difference | 15:59 |
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| MoritzJT | Anyone familiar with build.prop for Alien Dalvik? | 16:02 |
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| sledges | chem|st: polarity is written in the toh sdk pdf | 16:06 |
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| McCloud_1983 | is there a way to run commands when ambiance is selected? i'm looking for silecing the phone | 16:11 |
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| louisdk | A friend of mine (which is a Linux) has a girlfriend which called me and asked if I think she should buy I Jolla phone. I advice her to wait and maybe try SailfishOS on her current phone when it becomes available she already own an Xperia Z1 and a Smartband for it. She complained about the screen brightness of her Z1 in sun light and I think it's better to wait than buy a midrange Jolla phone just because you're tired of your current | 16:41 |
| louisdk | phone/OS instead of buying a Jolla and get disappointed. Was this a good advice? | 16:41 |
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| goroboro | hard question | 16:43 |
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| goroboro | I personally think its a good idea to switch over early... | 16:43 |
| goroboro | especially if you're a bit of a Linux geek | 16:43 |
| goroboro | My phone was far from a disappointment for me | 16:44 |
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| goroboro | but if a new Jolla is on the drawing board... then maybe its worth waiting to see what improvements come out | 16:45 |
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| louisdk | goroboro: It will be many moths before a new Jolla comes out. And I just trough it's better to wait than get a not so great experience. She's a normal user after all :) | 16:56 |
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| goroboro | louisdk: fair enough... you know her better :) | 16:57 |
| goroboro | I don't think the experience is that bad though | 16:57 |
| goroboro | but I am definitely a bit more geeky :D | 16:57 |
| goroboro | also... I don't really use very many android apps... so I'm not sure how bad that side of the experience gets | 16:58 |
| coderus | being a linux geek is good | 16:59 |
| coderus | you don't care about many of stupid bugs | 16:59 |
| goroboro | coderus: agreed | 16:59 |
| coderus | and never complain "this thing working bat, it should work different" :D | 16:59 |
| coderus | bad* | 16:59 |
| goroboro | "normal user" sounds like she should wait | 17:00 |
| goroboro | oh geeks definitely all think that they know better as to how something should work | 17:00 |
| goroboro | believe me :D | 17:01 |
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| goroboro | but they're less likely to complain.. as long as they can hack away at whatever they want to change | 17:01 |
| goroboro | and if they don't have the skills to hack... they keep quiet about their opinions :) | 17:02 |
| coderus | goroboro: not exactly | 17:03 |
| coderus | geeks can live with some bugs because they're know why bugs happening :F | 17:03 |
| goroboro | that's also try | 17:03 |
| goroboro | s/try/true | 17:03 |
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| louisdk | Have anyone played with Sailfish patches? It it something that'll have impact on stability, battery life etc.? I've through about getting some wifi/3G icons on the notification screen for easier access. | 17:33 |
| SK_work | louisdk: there will be no impact on battery life for sure | 17:34 |
| SK_work | louisdk: it should work and should install easily | 17:34 |
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| SK_work | feel free to give it a try | 17:34 |
| SK_work | especially that homescreen patches don't require a complicate and error-prone installation | 17:35 |
| SK_work | just don't ever install the "lipstick-qt5" package | 17:35 |
| SK_work | or you get a brick | 17:35 |
| louisdk | SK_work, thanks for the warning :) | 17:36 |
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| SK_work | louisdk: and IIRC data switch don't work | 17:36 |
| SK_work | and I never seriously investigated to understand why | 17:37 |
| SK_work | I would love to do something better (a widgets dashboard), but never had enough time | 17:37 |
| SK_work | :( | 17:37 |
| louisdk | SK_work, what do you mean with not working? Isn't it possible to click the icon? | 17:38 |
| SK_work | louisdk: it's disabled for an unknown reason | 17:39 |
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| louisdk | SK_work, it was on my friends phone to until we changed apn settings. Have you tried to look at that? | 17:40 |
| SK_work | louisdk: TMO guys said that the switch is always disabled on homescreen | 17:41 |
| SK_work | even if it's not on settings | 17:41 |
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| louisdk | SK_work, that's bad :/' | 17:50 |
| juiceme | louisdk, about the advice on whether to buy Jolla for this friend of yours. As she compalined about screen brightness of her Z1, I definitely do not recommenf Jolla for her; that is the single largest lacking thing in a Jolla device and would sure disappoint her. | 17:51 |
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| juiceme | Otherwice, if she was curious about Jolla/Sailfish, definitely... but if screen is important for her that is a killer. | 17:52 |
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| louisdk | juiceme, Also my though. She often gets tired of her phones. She switched from an iPhone 5 some moths ago and just think her boyfriends Jolla phone looks nice. I advised her to wait and maybe try Sailfish on her Xperia Z1 when it becomes available. She has some accessories for her phones like Sony Smartband and I don't think that's fully on Sailfish. | 17:57 |
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| juiceme | yes, no Smartband support on SailfishOS AFAIK | 17:59 |
| juiceme | altough, I have been thinking of getting a fitness band for myself and playing around with it with Jolla... have not decided on the brand yet :) | 18:00 |
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| coderus | http://i.imgur.com/moCtUDi.jpg | 18:44 |
| Nightmare__ | nice | 18:47 |
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| coderus | slightly modified theme from here: http://www.noobslab.com/2012/06/install-infinity-conky-in-ubuntulinux.html | 18:58 |
| coderus | i want conky-like lockscreen on jolla :) | 18:59 |
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| pawky|2 | is there anyway to program apps using Qt and perl? | 19:02 |
| pawky|2 | for the jolla... | 19:02 |
| coderus | why?.. | 19:03 |
| coderus | no mercy?.. | 19:03 |
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| javispedro | pawky|2: perlkde? :) | 19:14 |
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| pawky|2 | coderus: because I am tired of having to learn new languages, tools etc for every gizmo that i have... | 19:31 |
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| pawky|2 | javispedro: would that be some installable library on jolla? | 19:33 |
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| Nightmare__ | Aard: do you have any plans for a connman hotfix hotfix? :D | 19:59 |
| Morpog_PC | Nightmare__, I guess update 8 is the hotfix hotix ;) | 20:00 |
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| LarstiQ | ah right, there is an issue with wifi and the hotfix still. | 20:06 |
| LarstiQ | some problem with the eduroam server certificate being signed as a client certificate and then being rejected | 20:06 |
| * LarstiQ will check tomorrow | 20:06 | |
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| Aard | Nightmare__: no, but it showed that we can (with some additional improvements) roll out the new stack with u8 without getting too much negativity | 20:10 |
| gogeta | Aard: hotfix busted 1g of traffic | 20:10 |
| gogeta | doesn't switch to wifi well | 20:11 |
| Aard | gogeta: generically, or with one specific wifi? | 20:13 |
| Nightmare__ | that ip renewal problem is annoying | 20:13 |
| gogeta | generically | 20:13 |
| Aard | which kind of services are y ou using taking lots of traffic? | 20:14 |
| gogeta | from gapps to email ( especially those coming from customers with attachment ) | 20:14 |
| gogeta | i think while at home i'm on wifi | 20:14 |
| gogeta | check default gw .... on LTE :-( | 20:15 |
| Aard | lpotter: ^^ | 20:15 |
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| lpotter | Aard: mobile data staying default is fixed with connectionagent-qt5 0.11.11 | 20:34 |
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| lpotter | problem is that when it has open sockets, it will remain default, so with that change, it disconnects mobile data is wlan gets connected | 20:35 |
| lpotter | and since connman knows not how to migrate sockets, they will need to be reconnected (like streaming media) | 20:36 |
| pawky|2 | so... the only development language to use if wanting to create apps on the jolla phone is C++ ? | 20:37 |
| lpotter | ui is qml | 20:37 |
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| louisdk | Does my Jolla really needs a reboot for lang switch. Would a lipstick restart or restart of other services not be enough? | 20:39 |
| special | is a reboot much harder? | 20:40 |
| pawky|2 | lpotter: yeah, but all the logic will need c++ right, or have I missed sometihng out with Qml? | 20:40 |
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| danielbeck | Hello! I created a HTML5 game which I would like to upload to the harbour app store. | 20:41 |
| danielbeck | The game is already running inside qtcreator and in the emulator. I'm however not sure how to pack and upload the game. | 20:41 |
| danielbeck | I started the "complete deployment" in qtcreator, and that created a rpm file named "./build-GreenMahjong-MerSDK_SailfishOS_i486-Release/RPMS/GreenMahjong-1.2.0-1.i486.rpm" | 20:43 |
| danielbeck | is that the file I should upload to the harbour store? | 20:43 |
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| danielbeck | (One thing that confuses me is that there is i486 in the name of the file) | 20:44 |
| cb400f | I think development discussion is mostly in #sailfishos | 20:44 |
| danielbeck | ok, thanks cb400f | 20:45 |
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| coderus | pawky|2: you free to make perl to qml bridge like PyOtherSide does (and i saw something for ruby also) | 20:52 |
| coderus | its not too much complicated, but it should be dome in c++ :) | 20:53 |
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| cvp_ | coderus: icon is missing under created accounts + notification center (if you want change your status) | 21:10 |
| cvp_ | i reboot, but not help | 21:11 |
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| chem|st | sledges: s3 is probably the only sticker I found that has GND and 5V right, changed my order to a S3 qi sticker now | 22:29 |
| sledges | chem|st: saved yourself some hassle, good! | 22:29 |
| chem|st | bending those stickers is probably not that a good idea | 22:29 |
| chem|st | sledges: I did not find any other phone yet with this setup | 22:30 |
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| sledges | working qi toh fast the first mod since jolla launch, over a week after iirc :) | 22:31 |
| sledges | i believe they all were s3 ones since | 22:32 |
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