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| sledges | hungoverning &) | 05:59 |
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| Nicd- | sledges: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKc1Hjjz1Ys | 06:00 |
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| sledges | Nicd-: :)) | 06:04 |
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| kimmoli | Does anyone else have nova flash? SEems that the protocol has been documented. https://github.com/nova-device/nova-protocol ... | 06:12 |
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| Sail0r | can anyone explain why cm is needed to get sailfishos running on nexus4 | 07:25 |
| Nicd- | try #sailfishos | 07:26 |
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| tbr | Sail0r: it's a combination of things and a known baseline | 07:37 |
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| Nicd- | dammit! reboot | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | it was such a long time since my last one :( | 08:49 |
| Nicd- | any logs I should take? | 08:49 |
| Nicd- | battery was at 69 % | 08:52 |
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| Nicd- | I was flicking left in the maps app when it happened | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: latest maps? I had that with maps before... | 08:53 |
| Nicd- | latest | 08:53 |
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| ggabriel | Nicd-: there's a log file that "explains" the reboot | 09:00 |
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| ggabriel | in /var/log/something | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | can't remember the name | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | I think it contains the word "boot" | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | worth looking at that one | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | latest lines: x-no-time-stamp Startup: preinit ignored pwr_on_by_RTC, 20140623_130402 Startup: pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_RTC, 20140623_130402 Received: dsme internal state USER | 09:03 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: I think it might be caused by GPS, HERE crashed on me after having a "wrong" fix 300m off | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | great, GPS crashes the whole phone :P | 09:03 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: my sister had her phone sent in for repairs as it was constantly crashing at 55% battery when doing something powerhungry... now it sometimes does that at 60% even^^ | 09:04 |
| Nicd- | ouch | 09:05 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: I think Jolla needs to have those phones be sent in and properly tested for production side issues | 09:05 |
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| chem|st | and usually that is nothing they have to pay for as it is the fab that messed up | 09:06 |
| chem|st | from the looks of it here and on tjc I'd guess either they have really buggy drivers or ~1% of the devices has bad hardware | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, it must have happened to me once | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | prolly just maps being strange | 09:07 |
| chem|st | mine is sent in for hardware issues too | 09:07 |
| Nicd- | I already had my SIM holder fixed | 09:07 |
| chem|st | for me it is the vibrator | 09:08 |
| chem|st | I guess they had a soldering issue at the fab | 09:08 |
| chem|st | once the fab admits that there should be no problem to have the devices exchanged | 09:09 |
| Nicd- | mine is from the 11/2013 batch which probably has all the problems | 09:09 |
| chem|st | first one? | 09:10 |
| chem|st | my sister has a first one and me to | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | first 450 | 09:10 |
| chem|st | both with issues | 09:10 |
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| chem|st | I have a pre-production N9 that has about the same flaws, and there it is for sure hardware | 09:11 |
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| chem|st | lets just hope that "the next one" has the same TOH but a keyboard and I will put this one on a display in my livingroom^^ | 09:15 |
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| Sail0r | mine has the sudden reboot issue also if I remove the paper underneath the battery | 09:27 |
| Sail0r | also a firstone | 09:27 |
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| tbr | Sail0r: try cleaning the pins and battery contacts | 09:34 |
| chem|st | tbr: that is something I'd expect of my 10 year old Sony but not a 6 month old Jolla | 09:35 |
| Sail0r | already did that but did not help | 09:35 |
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| tbr | chem|st: well, you can try to find the issue, or you can whine about it. your choice. *shrug* | 09:36 |
| Sail0r | and as the papertrick helps I have not tried any other things | 09:36 |
| Sail0r | I haven't even tried if it's fixed by the new sailfish version ;) | 09:36 |
| Sail0r | but I don't whine because it works for me | 09:37 |
| tbr | I don't get those at all, so can't even try to figure them out... | 09:37 |
| Sail0r | I asked Jolla care if I can help to get this issue fixed | 09:38 |
| Sail0r | only thing which came back was we replace the hardware | 09:38 |
| pp | well, if they can inspect broken hardware, that helps :-) | 09:40 |
| Sail0r | yeah, but it's my only phone and I need it ;) | 09:41 |
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| chem|st | tbr: if the issue is gone by putting a piece of paper below the battery, the issue is found, isn't it? | 09:54 |
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| chem|st | and as you said, I cannot find a cause without having a problem | 09:55 |
| tbr | chem|st: it's not reliable and it's not a direct treatment of the issue. I wouldn't describe "lack of paper under the battery" as proper root cause analysis ... | 09:55 |
| tbr | I'm sure jolla is actually doing that analysis, if they want to share their results (once they have them) will be a different story. | 09:56 |
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| chem|st | I agree | 09:56 |
| pp | who knows, linksys routers needed to be overclocked to be reliable :-) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | or can -- production is a huge web of NDAs | 09:56 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I count that under "want" | 09:57 |
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| tbr | if you'd break an nda, you might not _want_ to share that information | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | point | 09:57 |
| chem|st | ;) | 09:57 |
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| tbr | but yeah, valid additional information for those who ponder why | 09:58 |
| pp | n9 (or was it n900) also had some hw issue that was totally fixable in software iirc, affected a few percent of users | 09:58 |
| chem|st | n900 has a broken by design µUSB | 10:00 |
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| Jope | there was some kind of solder wetting problem there | 10:00 |
| Jope | as far as I remember it | 10:00 |
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| chem|st | my n900 survived a wheat beer attack and the µusb never came off... you can probably replcae your hammer with it if need be and if you run out of battery you have a brick to throw... | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | my usb got killed by some jerk in SF stepping over my charging cable | 10:03 |
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| chem|st | ouch, I kept the n900 hanging on the charger in my office... just so noone stepped on the cable or something | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | this was at meego or tizen conference | 10:04 |
| tbr | chem|st: IIRC the issue also depends on which factory produced your N900. one of both was more likely to have it rip off the PCB | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | i think meego | 10:04 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: meego, I was at tizen con | 10:05 |
| tbr | and I only remember you mentioning it on irc | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 10:05 |
| w00t | I was sitting next to you at the time :-) | 10:05 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: if you want one, I still have a spare N900 ;) | 10:05 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: you realise that my n900 had died like a week before..? stopcopyingme! :P | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | i had a mint n900 and gave it away to somebody here in poland to pass on to somebody useful | 10:06 |
| chem|st | tbr: no idea, it seemed to not be as one with the same version number as mine had it ripped off within months and mine is still in its place | 10:06 |
| * w00t has two semi broken n900s, and intends to create one working one out of them. someday. | 10:06 | |
| tbr | chem|st: 'more likely' != 100% sure | 10:06 |
| chem|st | w00t: only the usb issue or "really" broken? | 10:07 |
| chem|st | tbr: k | 10:07 |
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| chem|st | tbr: we had the discussion about it and compared version numbers without finding any correlation | 10:08 |
| slate | n900 with philips-screws was a shitty job to repair | 10:08 |
| chem|st | slate: finding that PH0 one was a bit harder than I thought | 10:09 |
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| chem|st | I ended up using the tools in our companies jobshop | 10:10 |
| slate | soft material screws, more likely to be stuck. -> replace touch assy | 10:10 |
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| louisdk | Is it possible to restore a Jolla phone without needing dev mode. I've pc sync access but don't know if I can put the .vault folder somewhere so it can be seen by the backup software? | 10:15 |
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| deztructor | louisdk: what do you mean by restoring? vault allows you to restore the data from the backup you did in Settings->Backup. .vault can be saved to sd card from the same Settings->Backup and then backup storage can be restored back. What do you mean by "pc sync"? Are just copied your .vault to Windows pc? | 11:00 |
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| Nicd- | whoa, I just got an email from paypal. "€10 off the new Jolla smartphone with PayPal" | 11:08 |
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| Nicd- | wonder how targeted that is, could be great for Jolla if it's more widespread | 11:09 |
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| ruskie | heh | 11:16 |
| ruskie | still waiting on my "your Jolla is on it's way to you" email | 11:16 |
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| pawky | #wetbike | 11:24 |
| pawky | oops | 11:24 |
| chem|st | ruskie: "your Jolla is on its way to you" but I am waiting for "way back to you" | 11:26 |
| suosaask1 | 10e discount on jolla if you pay with paypal, apparently | 11:26 |
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| Sail0r | kimmoli is the source for toholed already published? :) | 12:26 |
| sledges | oh gotta love our fellows :) E Ink TOH PoC: https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/statuses/480819827209035776 | 12:26 |
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| Nicd- | wow, wouldn't that be a nice replacement for low power screen? | 12:29 |
| roboro | crikey... I want one | 12:30 |
| roboro | kimmoli: you rock | 12:30 |
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| Nicd- | I'll buy one in an instant when it's for sale (and there's software to change the image) | 12:30 |
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| roboro | yeah... I guess you could write software for that | 12:31 |
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| pdanek | Aptoide! | 14:20 |
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| Anduck | jolla seems to have deal with paypal..... | 16:01 |
| Anduck | has there been any discussion about buying jolla phone with bitcoins? | 16:01 |
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| kimmoli | Sail0r: Not yet publicly... it is coming soomTM | 16:33 |
| Sail0r | ok :) | 16:33 |
| kimmoli | Nicd-: you dont like to have static derp there? | 16:33 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: consider me quite interested in that derp-other-half :) | 16:41 |
| * tbr will obviously use it to show IoT status updates... if you mean what i know(sic!) | 16:41 | |
| kimmoli | FFS got new meaning | 16:42 |
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| pdanek | Hello! | 17:08 |
| cvp_ | hi | 17:08 |
| pdanek | Do you have the same problem with Viber Android app in Jolla, that it doesn't scan current phone numbers? | 17:08 |
| pdanek | It should automatically show up all Viber-enabled people in my phone contact list. | 17:09 |
| ruskie | yay jolla shipped | 17:09 |
| cvp_ | pdanek: dont know , i dont use vier | 17:10 |
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| cvp_ | ruskie: yeah !!! have fun with it :) | 17:10 |
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| pdanek | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48EyCpUbCbg -> go to 5. min. | 17:29 |
| pdanek | "It's not actually running or using your phone memory..." wtf? | 17:29 |
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| Nicd- | so it looks like my reboots are back :/ | 18:20 |
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| Quu | apply more paper | 18:21 |
| Nicd- | with the same symptoms as before - the phone dies when I have my finger on the screen (flicking, scrolling or clicking) | 18:21 |
| Nicd- | and usually when the battery is less than 60 % | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | finger-> increased cpu, fwiw | 18:22 |
| Tegu | weird, I have not had random reboots in a while even though I haven't done the paper trick | 18:22 |
| Quu | Nicd-: you need to start using your nose | 18:22 |
| Quu | maybe that wont increase the cpu | 18:22 |
| Nicd- | Quu: shut up | 18:22 |
| Quu | D: | 18:22 |
| Nicd- | I am not amused right now | 18:22 |
| Nicd- | 3 reboots today. I can't rely on this phone currently. I'll do the 10 min battery thing tomorrow, then the paper if it doesn't help | 18:23 |
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| Nicd- | don'tknow if putting it through care@ again is going to help anyone | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | it might.. | 18:24 |
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| Nicd- | guess I'll send a message to them if the 10 min trick doesn't help | 18:27 |
| Nicd- | sorry Quu | 18:27 |
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| Quu | np, my mistake | 18:29 |
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| Turski | Nicd-: i've done that 10 min trick quite many times already, doens't help for me | 19:16 |
| Turski | and paper trick too | 19:16 |
| Turski | probably i need to put it trough care | 19:17 |
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| Sail0r | I wonder why there is still no official statement about the issues | 19:38 |
| Sail0r | I wouldn't blame them if they say "hey we got a HW issue with battery connecters just send it to repair" | 19:39 |
| Sail0r | but I have read from many people sending their phone to care and after 2 - 3 weeks the problems start again | 19:39 |
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| Sail0r | that's why I don't send my phone because I am not sure if it helps | 19:40 |
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| clau | maybe they don't really know what the issue is :| | 19:41 |
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| clau | tho, in such situations it would be nice to have the phone completely replaced, instead of trying fixes that don't really work. on the other hand, I don't really know how often the problem reccurs after repair. | 19:43 |
| Sail0r | yeah, it's a bad situation for those who have the problem. | 19:44 |
| Sail0r | Mine vanished after inserting the paper. | 19:44 |
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| Sail0r | but to be honest I have never tried to remove it because it works for now ^^ | 19:44 |
| Quu | same | 19:45 |
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| clau | does it reboot while it sits on the table for instance, or just when you move it around? | 19:45 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: if you are happy with the paper fix I don't see any poin sending it to the care | 19:45 |
| Sail0r | but I was really disappointed when it started | 19:46 |
| Sail0r | tigeli: maybe to help them find the real problem | 19:46 |
| Sail0r | clau: it rebooted at heavy load or weak signal | 19:46 |
| clau | oh, I see. | 19:46 |
| clau | well, it can still be from poor contacts, that's clear. | 19:46 |
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| Sail0r | yep, must be smth like this because it's completly gone since inserting the paper | 19:48 |
| tigeli | maybe to solder the battery contactors :D | 19:48 |
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| clau | or build TOH battery :D | 19:49 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 19:49 |
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| clau | got an email from paypal today, with jolla ad. glad to see they are doing such things. | 19:51 |
| clau | though, pissed of to see now I can get it for 339 euro, now after I bought two for full price. | 19:52 |
| clau | *off | 19:52 |
| Sail0r | hmpf | 19:53 |
| Quu | pretty sure it will be ~299 before next christmas | 19:53 |
| Sail0r | but hey maybe with this price they will sell more jollas | 19:53 |
| clau | I feel just like those iPhone users. | 19:53 |
| Sail0r | and bugfixing becomes more important | 19:53 |
| Sail0r | but you spent the price for two phones which one iphone costs at release | 19:54 |
| clau | not really complaining, after all the first one I pre-ordered. | 19:54 |
| Sail0r | hehe same here | 19:54 |
| clau | I do hope they just feel more comfortable selling it now, and it's not about selling old stocks. | 19:55 |
| Sail0r | maybe they prepare for jolla2 ;) | 19:56 |
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| clau | when should it be launched? late 2015? | 19:57 |
| Sail0r | dunno | 19:59 |
| clau | 2 year intervals between versions for a single line product sounds like a good idea to me. | 19:59 |
| Sail0r | yep | 19:59 |
| Sail0r | and that is a period where i don't get angry | 19:59 |
| Sail0r | releasing every year is too fast in my opinion | 20:00 |
| clau | any shorter interval and I'd probably skip one generation | 20:00 |
| clau | yeah | 20:00 |
| Sail0r | so have to work tomorrow ;) have a nice evening and good night | 20:01 |
| clau | you too, I'm calling it a day too | 20:01 |
| clau | o/ | 20:01 |
| Sail0r | bye | 20:01 |
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