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| lpotter | quite possibly a bug, not a feature :) | 00:05 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 05:04 |
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| walokra | anyone got angry birds epic to work with jolla? :) | 08:06 |
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| minimec | Morning. I have a 'borked' lipstick setup (lipstick/patchmaker w/o pandora-box). I decided to disable 'force 3x3 grid layout' in patchmanager, because I had a problem applying ambiances. When restarting lipstick I got a message that some backup was made and I got a my blank background image without lock/event/app screen. I can swipe to 'close' the device and initiate the notification screen. I also have ssh access to the device wia Wifi. | 08:22 |
| minimec | Is there a way to reset lipstick without doing a 'reset to defaults' of the entire device? | 08:22 |
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| Quu | probably just removing the patchmanager would help | 08:29 |
| Quu | pkcon remove patchmanager | 08:30 |
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| Nicd- | or ask Sfiet_Konstantin | 08:30 |
| tbr | somebody summoned Sfiet_Konstantin? :) | 08:30 |
| tbr | 10:22:40< minimec> Is there a way to reset lipstick without doing a 'reset to defaults' of the entire device? | 08:30 |
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| minimec | Quu: THX. I will try that. Why not.... | 08:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | minimec: what do you mean ? | 08:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | minimec: rm /opt/patchmanager/ -rf && zypper in -f lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 | 08:32 |
| minimec | Sfiet_Konstantin: Morning. Well somehow, I borked my lipstick setup. I got a message that some backup have been made when 'reloading lipstick' in patchmanager. | 08:32 |
| minimec | Sfiet_Konstantin: THX. I will try that. | 08:32 |
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| minimec | Sfiet_Konstantin: I need 'devel-su' for that right? | 08:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | meegobit: yes | 08:33 |
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| minimec | Sfiet_Konstantin: THX. I am back. | 08:37 |
| Nicd- | THX certified™ | 08:37 |
| minimec | That's why I love this community. Thank you all! | 08:37 |
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| kimmoli | monrings from summy espoo | 08:59 |
| kimmoli | *nn | 08:59 |
| walokra | from yummy espoo | 09:00 |
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| kimmoli | hmm... someone wanted to make a boardgame for jolla (and other platforms) artemma iirc? here is one for you http://www.cwali.nl/summy/summy.htm | 09:03 |
| kimmoli | its always worth of googling typos | 09:03 |
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| cybette | faenil, pdanek1: yeap, thanks for the ping :P | 10:28 |
| Quu | pon | 10:28 |
| Quu | g | 10:28 |
| faenil | :) | 10:28 |
| artemma | kimmoli: thx, yeah a game like summy could be just what's good for a cross-platform app trial. I'll read about rules and copyrights | 10:41 |
| artemma | http://www.cwali.nl/summy/summy.htm | 10:42 |
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| stephg | completely anecdotal, but has anyone noticed reduced battery life with (4g|connman hotfix)? | 11:15 |
| mfulz | does someone know some tutorial on how to compile and use the sailfish sdk without qtcreator? | 11:16 |
| mfulz | since the last update where 4g is working now I don't have any drawbacks with battery life | 11:16 |
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| stephg | thx mfulz | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | stephg: if anything, without the conman fix, i notice that battery behaves better in 4g | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | which doesn't make sense | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | :P | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | unless 3g is so crowded that the battery drains faster as a result of collissions and whatnot | 11:18 |
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| mfulz | ggabriel: I think the same because I've quite bad 3G network and it was switching always between 3g and 2g now it has nearly constantly 4g | 11:21 |
| * artemma thought every next generation behaves better in waiting mode and worse in transfer mode. It was the case in 2G->3G move | 11:22 | |
| ggabriel | mfulz: well, i can't get 2g, so mine has always been in 3g | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | artemma: agree | 11:22 |
| tbr | mfulz: yes there is a post linked on planet | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | altho it behaves better in transfer mode only because it's faster :) | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | admittedly, i spend less time waiting, so the screen is off more than before | 11:23 |
| tbr | mfulz: http://planet.devaamo.fi/sailfish/ scroll through | 11:23 |
| artemma | but then it also depends on the network structure. Your 4G and 3G base station could be different physical nodes located at different places | 11:23 |
| artemma | you might be sitting next to a 4G antenna | 11:24 |
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| ggabriel | artemma: yup, i'm talking about battery life while at home (wlan), commuting for ~30' (3g/4g switch) and work day (mostly 4g) | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | on that, 3 email accounts sync every 30', ~200 rss feeds (of which I may open 25% on a web browser) | 11:28 |
| ggabriel | and maybe some music | 11:28 |
| ggabriel | and maybe some sport recording with meerun | 11:28 |
| ggabriel | so it's pretty good considering it lasts >2 days | 11:28 |
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| clau2 | ggabriel: just jumped in... are you talking about jolla? | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | clau2: yeah | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | stephg asked re battery life with 4g hotfix | 11:31 |
| clau2 | well, so far I can't even get 4g to work, in areas where a friend with a lumia on the same provider has it. | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | :( | 11:32 |
| clau2 | and with a mix of 3g and 2g (poor signal at home, sometimes lost completely ) I get one day, with 30-50% left. | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | mine works pretty well in london, but nobody to compare it to | 11:33 |
| clau2 | also, wifi while at home, but bad signal on gsm probably still affects battery life | 11:33 |
| clau2 | csd tool shows no 4g signal at all too | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | clau2: worth checking with somebody else with a jolla | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | in case it's a problem with your hw | 11:35 |
| clau2 | maybe I need some activation from the provider (o2, CZ) | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | try your friend's sim card :D | 11:35 |
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| clau2 | someone reported this provider to work, on tjc. I'll have to contact the person, if I can figure out who he/she is. | 11:35 |
| clau2 | that's also an option. I'll see to it. | 11:36 |
| clau2 | also my sim in a lumia, to make sure it's not limited somehow. | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | you can rule out the contract thing easily that way | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | unlikely | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | either of both will rule out your contract | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | o2 is rubbish here, you have to pay extra if you want to go to the toilet with the phone pretty much | 11:37 |
| clau2 | :)) | 11:37 |
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| clau2 | regarding battery life... do you use mitakuuluu? | 11:39 |
| clau2 | I assume it hurts battery a bit, and I have it on at all times | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | nope | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | i tried having 3 xmpp clients open one day for a few hours | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | i didn't notice too much of a difference | 11:40 |
| clau2 | yes, I also have two accounts on, but not at all times | 11:40 |
| clau2 | the integration is at the limit of what I consider usable :( | 11:41 |
| clau2 | bad connection = lost messages | 11:41 |
| clau2 | then, there are all these little bugs and missing features. I hope it'll get some attention from devs soon | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | easy: try one day without mitakuuluu | 11:43 |
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| clau2 | will do that, soon | 11:44 |
| clau2 | is there any power usage profiler, like the one that came with n9? something running in terminal maybe? | 11:45 |
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| ggabriel | there are things that you can run in terminal, i guess there's stuff in tjc about it | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | never used them myself | 11:46 |
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| clau2 | gonna have a look, there must be something built for sailfish | 11:47 |
| clau2 | fyi, powertop seems to be recommended | 11:49 |
| stephg | clau2: yeah powertop is what you want | 11:52 |
| stephg | completely unrelated, for those of you with FB accounts and address book sync, could you have a look for me and see how many people 'got lost' in your Facebook User user? | 11:54 |
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| kimmoli | tbr: wanted to contribute to toheink? need a way to wakeup phone when toh-gpio-interrupts ... | 11:57 |
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| mfulz | tbr: thank you | 12:00 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: I'll have a look. But isn't this already wired up as an interrupt in the kernel? | 12:05 |
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| minimec | stephg: I miss 3 or 4. Looks like people that disable 'public access' in facebook are not synced in the Contacts app (... and therefore missing in the 'friends' app) imho. | 12:11 |
| tbr | kimmoli: if it's kernel level system wakeup that you're after, we could dig in this direction: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11387824/enable-gpio-wakeup-in-embedded-linux | 12:11 |
| tbr | I'm not exactly sure what's involved in waking up the Jolla and if that's the kind of wakeup we need. maybe phdeswer or Stskeeps could comment too, before I dig in too deep. | 12:12 |
| phdeswer | tbr: kimmoli : Haven't checked the details on that myself, but I can try to help out. | 12:14 |
| stephg | thanks minimec, I seem to have 8 or 9 | 12:15 |
| tbr | if it's just pushing the interrupt to the userspace, then this should apply: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19257624/interrupt-handling-and-user-space-notification/19258745#19258745 | 12:15 |
| tbr | I'd post non-SO links, but those were actually surprisingly good... | 12:16 |
| stephg | minimec: what's curious is that some of the users appear in my jolla but not my N4 (and I think vice versa) | 12:16 |
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| kimmoli | tbr: gtg2bbq but tnx, i'll take a look | 12:25 |
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| parasemic | how do i backup the contacts file to a computer? | 15:35 |
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| stephg | parasemic: copy the file once the backup is made? | 15:38 |
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| stephg | settings > backup | 15:38 |
| parasemic | well, where does it save it and how do i import it back after factory reset? | 15:39 |
| stephg | that'll put the backup somewhere | 15:39 |
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| stephg | once created you can copy it to the sdcard it looks like | 15:42 |
| pdanek1 | When WebOS is now open source, why nobody builds upon it? | 15:42 |
| pdanek1 | There is tremendous amount of work put to WebOS. | 15:42 |
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| pdanek1 | How can great OS like WebOS, just dies? | 15:43 |
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| pdanek1 | At the time of release, it was just state of the art. | 15:43 |
| parasemic | after testing stuff throughoutly, i confirmed i simply fucking cant use my phone with the newest update. the connections went apeshit and that makes a smartphone completely obsolete | 15:44 |
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| stephg | by apeshit you mean? | 15:47 |
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| pdanek1 | Do you guys have the experiences with people asking you about Jolla? | 16:06 |
| pdanek1 | People either ask if it's an Chinese phone, or if it runs Android, or both. :D | 16:06 |
| pdanek1 | And takes a bit to explain. :) | 16:06 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | tl;dr my daughter has jolla, she was in summercamp where her mate asked 'whats that phone?' -'jolla' -'really, my dad has also jolla, he got it with First-ones'. actually found out that his number was 165. and my was 164... | 16:09 |
| javispedro | ah, finland... | 16:12 |
| pdanek1 | hehe | 16:13 |
| pdanek1 | out of Finland | 16:13 |
| pdanek1 | nobody knows Jolla :( | 16:13 |
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| Sidde | pdanek1: in sweden almost all geeks know about it atleast | 16:13 |
| Sidde | pdanek1: and geeks got money ;) | 16:14 |
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| pdanek1 | hm | 16:14 |
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| Morpog_PC | That sounds a great new TV show :) Geeks got Money | 16:15 |
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| Sidde | Morpog_PC: will get pretty boring because everone will be sitting at their laptops | 16:19 |
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| * pahartik has uptime of 43 days on "Jolla Mobile" and it has not required too much interaction to keep IPv6 routing up between mobile network and Bluetooth PAN | 16:26 | |
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| * javispedro head-desks repeateadly after realizing QML's BluetoothSocket will send "string data" serialized using QDataStream | 16:35 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I gues that confused what was on the other end. | 16:35 |
| javispedro | it mostly confused the humans on both ends :) | 16:36 |
| javispedro | (also, QDataStream decoding seems to silently fail) | 16:36 |
| parasemic | stephg sorry forgot to answer. the g3 started to lose connection and go to similar deep sleep mode as wifi has always been for me. completely useless | 16:40 |
| parasemic | 3g* | 16:40 |
| parasemic | every time i open a web page, it seems to "open the connection" again, so it takes like 10 second to show up anything. it just not connected to any networks even if the signal bar is full. i have no idea if im missing calls because of this | 16:41 |
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| tbr | parasemic: mobile data and phone calls are two quite separate things, don't mix them up. | 16:48 |
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| tbr | parasemic: also what you _might_ be experiencing is that the modem takes long (for unknown reasons) to go from the lowest power connection state to a high-speed (e.g. HSPA) state. It will probably only disconnect if really _nothing_ uses the internet connection at all. | 16:50 |
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| parasemic | tbr it disconnects while im listening to spotify or having a conversation in mitäkuuluu. | 17:08 |
| tbr | hmm, that's weird | 17:08 |
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| parasemic | cutespotify became unusable as it loses the connection approximately twice within one song | 17:08 |
| parasemic | and yeah, its weird but it makes my phone completely useless at the moment | 17:09 |
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| parasemic | so uhm, where do i find the backups ? | 17:10 |
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| clau | is there a way to differentiate between 3G and 3.5G on Jolla? | 17:13 |
| clau | for instance Lumia 920 says H. | 17:14 |
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| tbr | you could look at the status messages coming out of ofono over system dbus | 17:16 |
| clau | how can I do that? | 17:17 |
| tbr | not sure if they will differentiate between WCDMA (plain "3G"); HSUPA, HSDPA, HSPA (3.5G) | 17:17 |
| tbr | as root run dbus-monitor --system | 17:18 |
| clau | ok, thanks | 17:18 |
| clau | too much information. | 17:20 |
| clau | well, the thing is, I'm not even sure o2 offers real 4g, or just 3g in CZ. lumia 920 says just H, and it's supposed to say 4G, afaik. | 17:21 |
| clau | or, more likely, real 4g coverage is very restricted | 17:22 |
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| parasemic | where are the backups stored???? | 17:29 |
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| parasemic | someone please help!?! how do i get the backups to a pc | 17:32 |
| parasemic | stephg? | 17:33 |
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| parasemic | anyone? im so fucking frustrated -.- | 17:35 |
| clau2 | I think it's in /homr/nemo/.vault | 17:35 |
| clau2 | home* | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 17:35 |
| parasemic | well i cant even access that folder on a windows pc | 17:36 |
| parasemic | -.- how hard can it be to make a easily usable backup feature | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | winscp to the device running developer mode with ssh? | 17:37 |
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| parasemic | i have no idea how to do that | 17:38 |
| clau2 | if you hace sdcard, you can backup to it easily | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | go into developer mode, enable it, enable ssh, set a password, note the WLAN ip , connect to it with winscp.sf.net nemo as login + selected password | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | ssh also might be called 'ssh remote login' or similar | 17:40 |
| parasemic | i wonder if my phone is just broken | 17:41 |
| parasemic | because id think people would have swarmed forums with the same issue | 17:41 |
| parasemic | so uhm | 17:43 |
| parasemic | if i just backup the whole .vault, reset the phone and then put it back, it should be okay? | 17:43 |
| parasemic | clau2 stskeeps | 17:45 |
| clau2 | do you have sdcard? imo it's the safest way, because you get a tar archive as backup | 17:47 |
| clau2 | otherwise, copying. vault should be fine, but I'm not quite sure what happens if you copy it to windows and back (file attrs etc) | 17:47 |
| clau2 | if you enable dev mode, you might as well make a tar yourself then, and copy it | 17:48 |
| clau2 | of course, first you need to create a new backup | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | tar might be safer.. | 17:48 |
| clau2 | cd ~nemo | 17:49 |
| parasemic | i do not. | 17:49 |
| clau2 | tar cvf backup.tar .vault | 17:49 |
| parasemic | i did make a new backup (which took like 2 hours wtf ?) | 17:49 |
| clau2 | then, copy backup.tar to your computer | 17:49 |
| clau2 | do you have a lot of data? like movies, pics etc | 17:50 |
| parasemic | no | 17:50 |
| parasemic | very minimal | 17:50 |
| parasemic | it took like 45 minutes to just backup the accounts, browser and gallery | 17:51 |
| parasemic | im pretty certain my phone is just broken somehow | 17:51 |
| clau2 | that's odd. latest version? | 17:51 |
| parasemic | yeah, obviously... the update broke my phone to a point i cannot use it anymore | 17:51 |
| parasemic | that's why im resetting | 17:51 |
| clau2 | try the battery trick | 17:52 |
| parasemic | battery trick? | 17:52 |
| parasemic | i have no issues with crashed/reboot but the connections | 17:52 |
| clau2 | turn off, get battery out for a few minutes | 17:52 |
| parasemic | also, i cant find the backup.tar | 17:53 |
| clau2 | maybe there's some state which the os doesn't handle well | 17:53 |
| clau2 | what did it say when you ran the tar command? | 17:53 |
| parasemic | oh i misunderstood, sec | 17:54 |
| deztructor | clau2: install from jolla store "space inspector" program and try to check how many space is occupied | 17:54 |
| clau2 | that's for parasemic , I assume | 17:56 |
| clau2 | you can also do it from terminal: df -h | 17:56 |
| deztructor | oh, sorry :) | 17:56 |
| deztructor | yeah, parasemic ^ | 17:56 |
| parasemic | the terminal just got stuck when trying to make the .tar | 17:57 |
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| deztructor | clau2: space inspector for parasemic is simplier because he can check also space taken by pictures, .vault, android storage etc. | 17:57 |
| parasemic | im so close to just throwing this phone to the wall and buying an android device -.- but i love the UI way too much | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, it'll be stuck for a while while making it.. | 17:58 |
| parasemic | this just gets worse and worse every update | 17:58 |
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| deztructor | parasemic: maybe storage space is occupied, it can be also the reason for issues | 18:00 |
| parasemic | nope, i have no issues with the storage space | 18:00 |
| deztructor | parasemic: what settings->about product says? | 18:00 |
| deztructor | s/what/what does/ | 18:01 |
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| parasemic | also, is your maps working? my maps app broke with the latest patch | 18:01 |
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| parasemic | hmm seems like the backup did eat up like 4-5gb | 18:02 |
| clau2 | you can omit the v flag for tar, should be a tad faster | 18:02 |
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| clau2 | there's a trick for cleaning .vault, but I don't remember it | 18:02 |
| deztructor | parasemic: this means you have a lot of data somewhere | 18:02 |
| clau2 | you can check together.jolla.com maybe | 18:02 |
| parasemic | i refuse to use t.j.c because its so bad | 18:03 |
| deztructor | clau2: first, I think parasemic should check what takes space | 18:03 |
| clau2 | sure | 18:03 |
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| clau2 | how many backups do you currently have? | 18:03 |
| clau2 | on phone, I mean | 18:04 |
| parasemic | two | 18:04 |
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| parasemic | one from like january | 18:04 |
| deztructor | clau2: backup is iterative | 18:04 |
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| deztructor | so, it does not take more space than data itself | 18:04 |
| clau2 | sure, but if you get new data, it will be backed up | 18:05 |
| clau2 | and the old one, even if deleted from device will still be there in .vault | 18:05 |
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| parasemic | yeah, i just ran out of space | 18:06 |
| clau2 | du -h --max-depth 1 .vault | 18:06 |
| parasemic | also i still see no "backup.tar" so i have all my storage space used and i cant remove it | 18:07 |
| parasemic | im so fucking truly and utterly frustrated with this shit phone | 18:07 |
| parasemic | facepalm | 18:07 |
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| clau2 | so, let's figure out what takes space... | 18:08 |
| deztructor | parasemic: first, calm down ;) 2nd - if you are in terminal, do "rm /home/nemo/.vault -rf" | 18:08 |
| clau2 | du -h --max-depth ~nemo | 18:08 |
| deztructor | this is the first stage | 18:08 |
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| clau2 | I would like to know if .vault takes all the space, tho | 18:10 |
| deztructor | clau2: iiuc, parasemic is just the user, so exiting gui apps will be easier for him to use (I mean "space inspector") | 18:10 |
| deztructor | clau2: it takes the same space as the data, so most probably parasemic has huge ~/Pictures or ~/Videos dir | 18:11 |
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| parasemic | "invalid maximun depth ´/home/nemo' | 18:11 |
| parasemic | du: invalid maximum depth `/home/nemo' | 18:12 |
| parasemic | i mean | 18:12 |
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| deztructor | parasemic: du -s /home/nemo/* /home/nemo/.vault | 18:13 |
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| attah | Sfiet_Konstantin: ping | 18:15 |
| clau2 | well, you might go straight for the removal of .vault, and check free space after that | 18:15 |
| clau2 | should be better | 18:15 |
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| parasemic | hmm seems like an android offline maps app took a shitload of space even tho i had removed it | 18:16 |
| parasemic | hmm seems like an android offline maps app took a shitload of space even tho i had removed it | 18:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | attah: pong | 18:16 |
| parasemic | whops | 18:16 |
| deztructor | parasemic: which app? | 18:16 |
| deztructor | osmand? | 18:16 |
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| parasemic | sygic | 18:16 |
| deztructor | ah | 18:16 |
| parasemic | well i still cant see backup.tar in /nemo | 18:17 |
| attah | Sfiet_Konstantin: :) I was thinking that i need to learn how to make patch packs.. if you still think it's a good idea to have the calendar fixes as such | 18:17 |
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| parasemic | even though terminal lists it | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | attah: can be a good idea | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | at best they are integrated to SFOS | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | at worst, they are managed | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | attah: see github.com/sailfishos-patches | 18:17 |
| attah | will do | 18:18 |
| deztructor | parasemic: run "find / -type f -name 'backup*'" | 18:18 |
| parasemic | i mean i cant find it in winscp | 18:18 |
| clau2 | refreshed? | 18:18 |
| parasemic | ah, there it is | 18:19 |
| clau2 | :) | 18:19 |
| parasemic | ok now i have 7.2/13,7 of storage used | 18:19 |
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| clau2 | much better | 18:20 |
| parasemic | goddamnit ill go have a beer and do this tomorrow | 18:20 |
| parasemic | im too frustrated | 18:20 |
| clau2 | see how device is behaving now | 18:20 |
| clau2 | :) | 18:20 |
| parasemic | well i had no storage issue until trying to backup | 18:20 |
| parasemic | so the problems are still really much present | 18:20 |
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| parasemic | basically, i used to have fucking useless wlan connection that seemes to go offline every time something isnt actively connecting | 18:21 |
| parasemic | after lastest update, the previously flawlessly working 3G started to behave similar | 18:21 |
| parasemic | so i have no reliable internet on my phone, rendering it fucking useless | 18:21 |
| parasemic | meaning i will get all mitäkuuluu messages a couple of hours late, cant use cutespotify and had to install android version etc | 18:22 |
| tbr | parasemic: I understand your frustration, but language, please, ktx. | 18:22 |
| parasemic | yeah, sorry | 18:22 |
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| parasemic | also, it takes like 10 second to "refresh" the connection, as opening any app that requires internet connection will take approximately the 10 seconds to show any content. before it used to be instant | 18:23 |
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| parasemic | anyway, ill go have a beer.. too frustarated to fight with this now | 18:24 |
| deztructor | parasemic: if you are doing backup to avoid space consumption, toggle "Gallery" switch off: it looks like Pictures or Videos takes quite a lot of space on your device | 18:25 |
| clau2 | parasemic: I don't have such problems | 18:25 |
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| parasemic | im doing backup to get my phone back to an earilier OS version to be able to use it | 18:25 |
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| deztructor | parasemic: backup stores app data but it does not revert os version | 18:28 |
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| parasemic | yeah, but if i do a factory reset i will lose my contacts, right? | 18:28 |
| clau2 | also, coderus has fixed the connection problem in latest release of mitakuuluu | 18:28 |
| parasemic | well, its not fixed as i just received a mitäkuuluu message from 3 hours ago | 18:28 |
| Bawal | i'm pretty sure it got broken last version | 18:29 |
| Bawal | or the version before that | 18:29 |
| deztructor | parasemic: yes, so do backup for everything except "Gallery" and it will be small | 18:29 |
| Bawal | haven't been able to login since updated to 0.7.7 | 18:29 |
| parasemic | i used to have 0.7.5 or so, and the problems came with the jolla update, tried updating mitäkuuluu but no change | 18:29 |
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| deztructor | parasemic: it is better to take pictures and videos to your pc just through file browser and phone connected with usb | 18:30 |
| parasemic | anyway, i need some beer while i still can | 18:30 |
| parasemic | deztructor i dont really even care about the gallery. it took longest time to make a backup of phone app | 18:30 |
| deztructor | parasemic: so, toggle this switch to "off" before making a backup | 18:31 |
| deztructor | I mean "Gallery" switch | 18:31 |
| parasemic | yeah, will do tomorrow | 18:31 |
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| parasemic | seems like i got the conman update already | 18:32 |
| parasemic | ill try that | 18:32 |
| lpotter | parasemic: when you say update, do you mean the opt-in connectivity hotfix? | 18:32 |
| parasemic | no, i mean saapunki. | 18:32 |
| lpotter | nothing much has changed for connectivity on that | 18:32 |
| parasemic | well, it still broke my connection | 18:33 |
| parasemic | anyway im off, ill see if the hotfix helps and if not, ill do reset tomorrow | 18:34 |
| parasemic | thx for help | 18:34 |
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| stephg | parasemic: g'luck | 18:35 |
| clau2 | parasemic: still here? | 18:35 |
| pdanek1 | Do you guys think that Sailfish is already more mature than WebOS ever was? | 18:36 |
| clau2 | select 'prefer 3g' for data connection | 18:36 |
| clau2 | 4g messes up my connection too it seems | 18:36 |
| parasemic | i dont even have 4g connection | 18:36 |
| parasemic | 3g shows full signal but its still dropping offline | 18:36 |
| parasemic | same as wlan, which shows full signal but is still idle/offline | 18:36 |
| clau2 | yes, same here with 4g setting | 18:37 |
| clau2 | try 3g | 18:37 |
| clau2 | not sure what's going on, just got a new sim for 4g today | 18:37 |
| clau2 | wlan is stable at home, but not at work, tho | 18:39 |
| clau2 | same as n9 | 18:39 |
| parasemic | well i havent been able to use wlan for anything on jolla ever | 18:39 |
| parasemic | because i just wont get mitäkuuluu messages on time when im using wlan | 18:39 |
| parasemic | now, beer, thanks a lot : ) | 18:39 |
| clau2 | enjoy :) | 18:40 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, does the Jolla wifi hotspot work as ad-hoc or infrastructure mode? | 18:48 |
| Plnt | bennypr0fane: it's normal infrastructure master mode | 18:49 |
| bennypr0fane | Plnt: thanks. Why do you call it normal? | 18:49 |
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| javispedro | kimmoli: thanks for paint btw! | 18:50 |
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| Plnt | bennypr0fane: no reason :) .. just that there is nothing special about it. | 18:50 |
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| bennypr0fane | Plnt: I think there is. It used to be that mobile devices could only make ad-hoc mode hotspot | 18:50 |
| bennypr0fane | I believe Android tablets still can't use an ad-hoc mode hotspot... | 18:51 |
| bennypr0fane | :-( | 18:51 |
| bennypr0fane | they can use the one from Jolla apparently | 18:52 |
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| javispedro | the jolla one is not ad-hoc | 18:53 |
| Plnt | bennypr0fane: jolla acts as a wifi master mode if you share the mobile internet. but jolla cannot connect to ad-hoc mode hotspot. | 18:54 |
| bennypr0fane | okay thanks | 18:54 |
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| Plnt | bennypr0fane: there are some threads about this on TJC - https://together.jolla.com/question/28818/request-wlan-ad-hoc-mode/ | 18:54 |
| Plnt | oh.. too late :) | 18:54 |
| attah | SfietKonstantin: I just remebered that i hate git.. maybe you can take it from here https://github.com/attah/calendar-patch | 18:57 |
| attah | Made the json thingy.. i think :) | 18:58 |
| kimmoli | javispedro: tbx | 19:00 |
| javispedro | kimmoli: I'm using it for my bluetooth stylus experiments :) | 19:07 |
| javispedro | kimmoli: btw, what's "Messagebox" QML component? | 19:07 |
| kimmoli | javispedro: its my own | 19:10 |
| javispedro | kimmoli: is it OSS? (seems to be missing from source) | 19:11 |
| kimmoli | under components ? | 19:11 |
| javispedro | aw sorry | 19:12 |
| kimmoli | https://github.com/kimmoli/paint/blob/master/qml/components/messagebox.qml | 19:12 |
| javispedro | case sensitiviness | 19:12 |
| javispedro | even my eyes are case-sensitive these days seemingly :) | 19:12 |
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| kimmoli | :) | 19:12 |
| kimmoli | windows... | 19:12 |
| kimmoli | git mv messagebox Messagebox doesnt work under windows | 19:13 |
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| kimmoli | paint version is old... this is updated https://github.com/kimmoli/stm32-toh-programmer/blob/master/qml/components/Messagebox.qml | 19:15 |
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| Nicd- | what does it do? | 19:17 |
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| javispedro | reminds me of a windows8 style messagebox :) | 19:19 |
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| attah | Has anything been published on how Jolla sailors work..? (Methodology-wise) Scrum? Kanban? or something completely different? | 19:47 |
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| Nicd- | haven't seen anything about that | 19:48 |
| kimmoli | Celestial? | 19:49 |
| Nicd- | maybe ad hoc ;) | 19:50 |
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| kimmoli | "Celestial navigation, a position fixing technique that helps sailors cross the oceans" | 19:51 |
| attah | hehe | 19:51 |
| attah | I guess that with clear well-communicated objectives and good people.. maybe you don't need all taht much methodology.. | 19:52 |
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| Nicd- | how about http://programming-motherfucker.com/? | 19:53 |
| attah | Nicd-: Just bought a t-shirt actually.. that's what made me think | 19:53 |
| attah | And the cause of that in turn is the inevitable "monday" | 19:54 |
| lpotter | its agile/scrum/something | 19:54 |
| lpotter | my own style is: whatever is highest priority at the time | 19:54 |
| attah | Hehe okay :) | 19:54 |
| attah | That and a healthy mix of pet projects is probably as good as it gets imo | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | attah: is 'working ourselves to the bone' a methodology? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 20:02 |
| attah | Stskeeps: not quite.. but it still says a lot | 20:03 |
| attah | i.e. I guess you can do it in several ways... | 20:03 |
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| * deztructor wonders how many contacts parasemic got... parasemic: do you have google/facebook contacts sync? | 20:06 | |
| lpotter | Stskeeps: you have bones left? Because I'm just a lump of jellyfish gloop | 20:10 |
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| attah | and yet I envy you guys... am I retarded somehow? | 20:11 |
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| Nicd- | you envy them because they get to work with cool cutting edge tech, and they're paid for it! | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | pfft, i'm the one with cutting edge things | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:16 |
| Nicd- | I would call a Qt5/Wayland/systemd/btrfs Linux phone quite cutting edge. you're working with bleeding edge? :P | 20:17 |
| attah | Nicd-: | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Nicd-: that's like old edge now :P | 20:19 |
| attah | Nicd-: Well I do that too.. just not quite as fun | 20:19 |
| attah | Stskeeps: Isn't that called vintedge? | 20:24 |
| lpotter | in Stskeeps world cutting edge is obsolete | 20:25 |
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| pdanek1 | I wonder how btrfs would compare to something like the proprietary fs-qnx6.so in latest QNX version (what BB10 uses in fact). | 20:29 |
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| pdanek1 | Actually Jolla has quite sharp edges, so it's kind of cutting edge. :) | 20:34 |
| raa70 | carpet knife TOH | 20:35 |
| Tegu | swiss army knife TOH | 20:36 |
| raa70 | don't they have a cell phone in those already? | 20:36 |
| attah | raa70: that might actually clear airport security... creepy! | 20:36 |
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| Nicd- | attah: it wouldn't :P | 20:36 |
| attah | Nicd-: okay.. if you say so :) | 20:37 |
| Nicd- | well you put your phone separately through the scanner so it's looked at more carefully than the rest of your stuff | 20:38 |
| attah | sure.. but with a metal cover..? | 20:39 |
| Nicd- | they can see through it. and if it's completely opaque to the scanner, it's suspicious :P | 20:40 |
| attah | and if it looks like some shape they expect to see? | 20:42 |
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| Tegu | what about composite knives? | 20:42 |
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| Tegu | would they pass? | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks guys, now we're all on no-fly lists.. | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:44 |
| Tegu | :D | 20:44 |
| attah | our way of booking a wake-up call for tomorrow ;) | 20:44 |
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| pdanek1 | Devs in here, are you purely in SW development information flow, or you actually receive information about Jolla 2 designing as well? | 20:47 |
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| Tegu | is jolla 2 confirmed? | 20:47 |
| pdanek1 | Is it like everyone knows everything in Jolla? :) | 20:47 |
| pdanek1 | Tegu: Jolla said that Jolla 2 will ship no later than 2015. | 20:48 |
| pdanek1 | Tegu: So it's confirmed. | 20:48 |
| Tegu | okay, cool | 20:48 |
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| attah | or confirmed to be planned? | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek1: well, we share a lot of information; some might argue that knowing everything that goes on will either 1) drive you mad or 2) take so much time that you don't have time for your ordinary tasks or 3) make you never ever want to touch any mobile devices ever again. | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | a mobile phone is like a sausage, it tastes good, but you don't really like to see how it's made | 20:50 |
| Tegu | suddenly I'd like to see how sausages are done | 20:51 |
| pdanek1 | interesting :) | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | this goes for the OS too | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:51 |
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| attah | I think it goes for a lot more things than people know... | 20:53 |
| Tegu | ooh, wikipedia has even videos about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage_making | 20:53 |
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| pdanek1 | I'm sure that iPhone development process is all flowers, dancing, singing and pure joy. | 20:53 |
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| Bawal | pdanek1: i bet it's magical | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | attah: i had a small taste of insane things happening on mobile networks after seeing supposedly 'things that don't go over the air' in gsm traces.. or being able to crash my university's DECT network through a client phone.. | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | the world is made up of so much ducttape it's not fun | 20:54 |
| javispedro | this reminds me of the old adge | 20:55 |
| attah | hehe | 20:55 |
| javispedro | *adage | 20:55 |
| javispedro | "if engineers designed buildings the way programmers built software, the first woodpecker would have obliterated western civilization" | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | apocalypse will happen when somebody bans ducttape? | 20:55 |
| pdanek1 | Bawal: magic is definitely a big part of the process, along with dancing and singing | 20:56 |
| javispedro | fun thing is that I told that once to an actual architect, | 20:56 |
| javispedro | he laughed and mentioned has was every day surprised birds had not destroyed civilization yet. | 20:56 |
| javispedro | *he was | 20:56 |
| javispedro | so I guess there's ducttape everywhere. | 20:57 |
| attah | Stskeeps: Pretty sure i can even reproduce a few of the internal bugs i have filed and nobody cared about.. :) | 20:57 |
| Bawal | pdanek1: suddenly i'm wondering why disney hasn't done a movie about the apple fairytale yet | 20:58 |
| lpotter | they did: Snow White | 20:58 |
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| pdanek1 | so it's largely made by dwarfs | 20:59 |
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| lpotter | probably | 21:20 |
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| Teme | did Jolla battery life decrease (dramatically) with the latest update? | 21:29 |
| raa70 | i think not | 21:29 |
| Teme | i hadn't been paying attention until now, since i've been going from "charger to charger" and not checking battery status | 21:29 |
| Teme | but today i'm now at 15%, took it off the charger around 10 hours ago | 21:30 |
| stephg | Teme: I'm beginning to wonder if there is something like that for some of us | 21:31 |
| Teme | i checked 3 hours ago if i will be fine for tomorrow, had 54% left and thought "meh, it should do fine" | 21:31 |
| Teme | and now: 14% | 21:31 |
| stephg | btw, are you opted in to the connman hotfix? | 21:31 |
| Teme | i am not | 21:31 |
| stephg | k | 21:31 |
| Teme | i was using a lot of 3g for browsing today when travelling so the 45% drop in a few hours is normal for me | 21:32 |
| Teme | but this... 3 hours on idle 54% -> 15% is quite alarming | 21:32 |
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| Teme | my friend who started using his jolla again after he heard u7 is out asked me today if the battery life problems still haven't been fixed and i told him it got taken care off a few patches ago | 21:33 |
| Teme | wakelocks? | 21:34 |
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| w00t | javispedro: i don't think we've actually had too many problems in that department. a lot more of horrible stuff like "browser never stops rendering ever", though, which was great for battery, predictably :p | 21:39 |
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| javispedro | w00t: (the fact that wakelocks do not help at all with that and also annoy me greatly is what makes me hate them) | 21:43 |
| w00t | javispedro: well... we could always make a flip phone, and just suspend whenever you flip it closed, mini-laptop style! ;) | 21:44 |
| javispedro | my laptops don't suspend when flipped you insenstive clod! ;P | 21:44 |
| w00t | neither does your phone suspend anymore, i'd guess :D | 21:45 |
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| javispedro | correct | 21:45 |
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| javispedro | (also half of the reason my laptops don't suspend is because it's been a while since the last kernel where suspend worked... :/) | 21:45 |
| * w00t sighs | 21:47 | |
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| stephg | w00t, teme I can't prove I have any trouble, may just be 4g being hungrier too (and I was doing alot of tethering last week) | 21:53 |
| javispedro | I didn't have any "new" problem with update7 so far, though I'm stuck in 3G. | 21:54 |
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| Teme | i will keep an eye on it from now on for sure | 22:10 |
| Teme | on another #channel a user was also mentioning a sudden drop somewhere around 60% -> 5% | 22:11 |
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| Teme | i chalked it up as a one time incident but i think i got one now | 22:11 |
| Teme | had no problems at all in the area between update 3 or 4 and update 7 | 22:11 |
| Teme | so likely a software issue | 22:12 |
| stephg | ditto, I'd not had any power issues at all | 22:12 |
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