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| Almindor | hey, is there any app like pryFi to randomize mac addresses for ping replies? | 00:39 |
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| pdanek | Almindor: no, I don't think so | 00:44 |
| pdanek | But since you have full terminal root access. | 00:46 |
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| pdanek | You can always do mac address spoofing by yourself / script. | 00:46 |
| Almindor | yeah, might be a good app to add | 00:50 |
| Almindor | maybe I'll look at it after finishing Lighthouse | 00:50 |
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| Almindor | seems to be a genuine bug too | 03:32 |
| Almindor | top reports 2700% cpu usage at times (try moving around the main screen while watching top in the terminal) | 03:32 |
| Almindor | hups sorry, meant for #sailfishos :) | 03:33 |
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| Stskeeps | good morrning | 04:23 |
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| tango_ | so http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/27zc2c/firefox_os_apps_run_on_android/ apparently firefox os apps run on android. i wonder if they would run on the jolla's alien dalvik? | 05:49 |
| Nicd- | aren'ẗ firefox apps just html5 containers? | 05:50 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: I know absolutely nothing about them | 05:50 |
| tango_ | if that's true, they could probably just run in the sailfish os browser | 05:50 |
| tbr | that's for people who love layer cakes | 05:51 |
| tbr | just run it in the browser... | 05:51 |
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| Nicd- | tango_: I think the FFOS apps are just HTML5 + JS with some additional JS API to access hardware | 05:51 |
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| tango_ | Nicd-: so it would need that js api too maybe | 05:51 |
| tango_ | (hint hint) | 05:51 |
| tbr | it's gecko already, so probably has all the bits and pieces, just would need to wire up some APIs if they don't work | 05:52 |
| tbr | but foremost: just try it | 05:52 |
| tbr | and if it doesn't: fix it, it's open source | 05:52 |
| Nicd- | that's kind of appception. Sailfish running Alien Dalvik running an Android app/container running an FFOS app | 05:52 |
| tbr | as I said, for people who like layer cake | 05:53 |
| Nicd- | we must go deeper | 05:53 |
| tbr | and redundant as the native browser is gecko... | 05:53 |
| tbr | Nicd-: turtles, turtles ALL the way down. | 05:53 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: well you could be running that inside a sailfish os emulator inside wine in a linux vm running on freebsd, probably | 05:54 |
| Nicd- | like this: http://xkcd.com/676/ | 05:54 |
| tango_ | +1 for maru | 05:55 |
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| faenil | moo | 06:45 |
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| Nicd- | so, what happens when the "number of tries" is exceeded in my phone's lock code? will it wipe itself? | 07:25 |
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| HtheB | Nicd-: if you have set it up like that: yes | 07:34 |
| Nicd- | "set it up like that"? I just set the number of tries | 07:35 |
| chem|st | HtheB: thought it needs to go to care@ as it will be locked to oblivion | 07:35 |
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| HtheB | chem|st: seriously? | 07:42 |
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| Nicd- | anyone else have mitakuuluu stuck at "connecting..." | 07:44 |
| Nicd- | ? | 07:44 |
| Nicd- | well, just had to really reboot it | 07:45 |
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| Nicd- | HtheB: as I understand it if you lock your phone with the lock code, you can't even enter recovery mode without the code | 07:45 |
| Nicd- | and then you have to go to care@ | 07:45 |
| aupo | Oh, what's this, a WhatsApp client, kewl... Only available as rpm? | 07:46 |
| stephg | aupo: at the moment yes | 07:47 |
| Nicd- | sources: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/ | 07:47 |
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| Nicd- | don't forget to send coderus some €€€ ;) | 07:47 |
| HtheB | chem|st: so if you accidently put your phone on the table | 07:48 |
| HtheB | a friend of your just tries to push buttons, or... your kids, baby, dog, cat, dinasaur... whatever | 07:48 |
| HtheB | you're just pwnd... | 07:48 |
| Nicd- | that's the risk you take if you set the limit | 07:48 |
| HtheB | but it's insane to send it to care :/ | 07:48 |
| Nicd- | it wouldn't be a useful lock code if you could just plug in the USB and circumvent it | 07:48 |
| HtheB | why not just reset the device, like ALL OTHER companies does?... | 07:48 |
| HtheB | oh wait... they are UNLIKE -_- | 07:49 |
| aupo | HtheB: Then don't set the limit, or set it to 50 or something, I think that was the upper limit for it. | 07:49 |
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| HtheB | aupo: I dont have a limit :P | 07:49 |
| aupo | Well there you have it. | 07:49 |
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| Nicd- | HtheB: write about it to TJC, it can be implemented | 07:49 |
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| aupo | Friend of mine had a similar problem with N900 some years ago, I believe: He had forgotten the sec code, so he just plugged it into the computer and found a file where the 4-digit code was in, encrypted of course, but decrypting a 4-digit code was not all that big a deal... :) | 07:51 |
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| Nicd- | HtheB: if the phone clears and unlocks itself after too many failed attempts, well then it's a free phone for anyone who steals it | 07:53 |
| Nicd- | if it bricks, they have to take it to care@ who will probably (attempt to) check who really owns it | 07:54 |
| mornfall | (well, actually official support for firefoxos apps would be cute... and probably not very hard either, at least compared to android) | 07:55 |
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| aupo | This ^. At 10 tries to brick, I'd rather take the chance that a dog manages to input a wrong pass code to my Jolla 10 times than let anyone who grabs the phone and has the patience to access all the personal info on it. | 07:56 |
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| HtheB | Nicd-: Well, the phone is registered... | 07:56 |
| HtheB | they could already see who's phone it is | 07:57 |
| HtheB | im pretty sure they can even brick your phone from distance | 07:57 |
| HtheB | (forget the name how it is called) | 07:57 |
| HtheB | at least, If I go to my Jolla account, I see my phone over there :) | 07:58 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: yeah, but if the phone clears and unlocks itself, it can be sold off to unsuspecting buyers since they can show how it unlocks and stuff | 07:58 |
| flux | aupo, btw, I've pocked-written an invalid PUK code to my jolla.. | 07:58 |
| Nicd- | if the original owner doesn't contact jolla in time (or doesn't know what to do about it) | 07:58 |
| HtheB | Glad I didn't try it out :P | 07:58 |
| flux | pocket even | 07:58 |
| aupo | flux: That... Is an achievement :D 3-try-limit or more? | 07:59 |
| flux | I only wrote it once | 07:59 |
| flux | but before that I probably wrote pin code three times wrong | 07:59 |
| aupo | Yeah. | 07:59 |
| mornfall | btw., we apparently have an overheating problem | 07:59 |
| HtheB | Other Half fan? | 07:59 |
| aupo | That's... An achievement indeed :D I don't think I've ever managed to pocket-write anything on my Jolla. | 07:59 |
| HtheB | OH Cooler? | 07:59 |
| flux | apparently jolla doesn't mind accepting pin codes even if proximity sensor says otherwise :) | 07:59 |
| mornfall | I got quite a few reboots yesterday, and they wouldn't stop until I cooled the device off... | 07:59 |
| aupo | HtheB: :awsm: | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: latest update? | 07:59 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: yes, latest update | 08:00 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: keeping the phone in 30+ degrees seems to make it go wonky | 08:00 |
| aupo | Hmmm, I haven't encountered anything similar, but I haven't tried any heavy use. What were you doing to get it hot, mornfall? | 08:00 |
| mornfall | in a pocket* | 08:00 |
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| aupo | Oh. | 08:00 |
| flux | I got my first spontaneous reboot for a long while yesterday (with the latest firmware), but I've had some pin code queries, could be related to that | 08:00 |
| mornfall | aupo: playing music :-) | 08:00 |
| aupo | Hmm, darn, I don't have my ear plugs with me, could try putting the phone in my pocket and playing Spotify... | 08:01 |
| aupo | Actually, I'll do that anyway, just use headphones (They suck though, hurt my ears.) | 08:02 |
| mornfall | aupo: it probably won't do anything if it's not particularly hot (it isn't here today) | 08:02 |
| HtheB | its hot over here | 08:02 |
| covox | mornfall: sure it's not a loose battery? | 08:02 |
| HtheB | mornfall: what are guys at the warm countries do!? Like saudi arabia | 08:03 |
| HtheB | it's like 40 degrees!? | 08:03 |
| aupo | True, not hot in here, but we'll see what happens. | 08:03 |
| mornfall | covox: very unlikely, I kept the phone in the backpack for 10 minutes and it solved the problem | 08:03 |
| aupo | Maybe I'll put it down my pants... | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | best advice in those kind of problems is to contact care, so we have an overview of the problems | 08:04 |
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| Stskeeps | sw is usually okay on places like together, but heat and potential service issues are better in care | 08:05 |
| aupo | Actually, d'f am I doing, why am I not just putting some videos on play... | 08:05 |
| HtheB | pr0n? :p | 08:05 |
| aupo | Was thinking more along lines of Sharpe's Rifles | 08:05 |
| flux | the problem with care is that one is without the device for an unknown period of time :) | 08:05 |
| mornfall | hmm new connman: so far so good | 08:05 |
| mornfall | it actually connects to wifi now, without prodding | 08:06 |
| flux | hmm, maybe I should sign up as well | 08:06 |
| flux | not working great with the new company wifi | 08:06 |
| aupo | Did the new patch do something with how mobile connections are handled, by the way? I've had slower response times, ie. if I haven't used mobile Internet in a while, it'll take ~20 seconds for a connection to be established where previously it seemed to be instant when I opened the browser. | 08:07 |
| mornfall | I didn't try anything other than WPA2 personal yet. | 08:07 |
| mornfall | But that didn't work very well with the previous version either, so. :) | 08:08 |
| HtheB | flux, sign up for what? | 08:09 |
| HtheB | just try this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1429304&postcount=2 | 08:09 |
| flux | htheb, for testing the new connman | 08:09 |
| HtheB | ^ use link | 08:10 |
| flux | sounds like that could upgrade a whole lot other stuff as well, no? | 08:10 |
| flux | or is that what the 'opt in' does | 08:11 |
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| HtheB | Ask nieldk | 08:12 |
| HtheB | I haven't any clue about it | 08:12 |
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| Nicd- | flux: you're having problems too? my wifi just quits sometimes and then apps get confused | 08:34 |
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| flux | seems the renewed company network is causing it more trouble than it used to | 08:51 |
| Sail0r | yay | 08:52 |
| Sail0r | connman-1.23+git45-11.1.2.jolla.armv7hl | 08:52 |
| Sail0r | thx Jolla :) | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | does it work? | 08:53 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: seems so, yea | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | (not that i had any problems myself just yet) | 08:55 |
| flux | got the fix, perhaps it works now better, but could be due to reboot as well | 08:55 |
| mornfall | seems that the sim toolkit icon really doesn't like to live in a folder | 08:56 |
| flux | same thing was in n9 as well | 08:56 |
| flux | funny how these things work ;) | 08:56 |
| ggabriel | funny i don't have a sim icon :P | 08:57 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: maybe your sim card doesn't have those pesky extensions? | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | i cannot remember | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | uhm... | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | i don't remember the icon in the n9 | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | so maybe not | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | they do have a website tho, so maybe that's why | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | they sign you on automagically if you access it from their network | 08:58 |
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| mornfall | it's kind of obsolete | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | agree | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | altho big companies move at a much slower rate than latest stable technology | 08:59 |
| mornfall | (but so is MMS... there's still demand for this stuff) | 08:59 |
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| mornfall | WAP, on the other hand... I hope nobody uses that anymore | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | wap is still there | 09:00 |
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| ggabriel | i remember using it as a backup when the proper internet connection didn't work on my 5800 | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | where you could configure it | 09:00 |
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| Sail0r | hmpf need to recompile the wpa_supplicant package | 09:05 |
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| ggabriel | ballock: o/ | 09:08 |
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| Nicd- | flux: how fast did you get the hotfix after opt-in? | 09:12 |
| flux | 11:10 I maybe sent the email, 11:55 I started the jolla store app and got the notification | 09:12 |
| flux | so it could've been faster | 09:12 |
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| ballock | ggabriel: what? where? | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | ballock: just wanted to confirm that you're still coming to london in 2 weeks :) | 09:17 |
| ballock | I am :) | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | awesome | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | hopefully weather stays nice | 09:18 |
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| ballock | we might sync mobile phone# in case there's some issue with roaming data transfer | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | ballock: sure | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | flux: ok, I haven't got any notification. I wonder if it's because my account email is my.name+unlike@gmail.com and obviously my from-address is not | 09:22 |
| flux | probably yes, because the instructions explicitly say that they must be the same :) | 09:23 |
| aupo | Indeed they do. | 09:23 |
| Nicd- | curses | 09:23 |
| aupo | :) | 09:23 |
| ballock | ggabriel: actually it's next week, June 22nd | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | ballock: true | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | i should have said a couple of weekends | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | you can guess what's important to me ;) | 09:24 |
| ballock | or, umm, some people count Sunday as the first day of week, so that'd be like two weeks then :) | 09:25 |
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| HtheB | I was in london just a week ago | 09:39 |
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| ballock | sledges, vgrade, stephg just reminding you about the meetup on June 22nd in London | 09:48 |
| ballock | if anyone else's interested, the event is pretty much open | 09:49 |
| sledges | and free as in free speech :) | 09:49 |
| sledges | thanks for reminder indeed ;) | 09:49 |
| sledges | did we sort our your timing get-to-airport? :) | 09:50 |
| ballock | The plan from 13:00 to ~ 18:00 I guess hacking some Jolla and non-Jolla devices | 09:50 |
| ballock | during which I guess some lunch would serve well | 09:51 |
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| ballock | afterwards we move to a pub | 09:51 |
| DrainBamaged | Plenty of those in London :D | 09:51 |
| ballock | I don't remember which bus I'm taking but that's around 23 or midnight | 09:51 |
| ballock | then I'm dizzing off till my plane accepts me | 09:51 |
| DrainBamaged | What event is this? I am uninitiated | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | ballock: I assume you bought a ticket for that bus, right? | 09:52 |
| ballock | not yet, might that be a problem? | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | could be, i'd make sure you have a ticket somehow | 09:52 |
| ballock | ok, getting them right now | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | i never took that bus fwiw, i just know the company, which is across the uk | 09:53 |
| sledges | alterego: lbt: ^ summer meeting in London 22nd June? ;) (cc DrainBamaged ) | 09:54 |
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| ggabriel | not sure whether the hacking is going to take place if it isn't in a pub tbh | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | s/whether/where | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes social hacking is needed | 09:56 |
| aupo | That sounds rather dangerous from you, Stskeeps :) | 09:57 |
| DrainBamaged | Arha, coders event then, I am no coder... :S | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | i am no coder either | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | nor hacker | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | <- lurker | 09:58 |
| DrainBamaged | I am just a newbie Jolla user... | 09:58 |
| DrainBamaged | And lurker, to be fair :D | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not organising the event but typically all sorts of contributors are welcome.. | 09:58 |
| sledges | jolla meetup, DrainBamaged pub evening part is totally beer social :P | 09:58 |
| DrainBamaged | Cool *thumbs up* | 09:58 |
| sledges | great1 | 09:59 |
| aupo | DrainBamaged: That's pretty much the best possible situation to go into an event: No fear of getting drawn into any work, just having fun :D | 09:59 |
| stephg | DrainBamaged: if you're here, or can get here, come! | 09:59 |
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| sledges | need to tell jpetrise and Nexus_ et al. | 09:59 |
| DrainBamaged | Then I shall, I'm not far from London and have a free day | 09:59 |
| sledges | twittery peeps | 09:59 |
| DrainBamaged | Thank you :-) | 09:59 |
| lbt | sledges: where? | 10:00 |
| sledges | you're welcome aboard :) | 10:00 |
| sledges | lbt: London, centrum? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: sledges: looks like you found your summer party.. :P | 10:00 |
| DrainBamaged | London's a might place | 10:00 |
| lbt | sledges: you getting a train in? | 10:00 |
| DrainBamaged | *mighty | 10:00 |
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| * sledges ponders between train and car - easy to park in Sunday London and can haz lots of carbos to offset alcohol shortage :D | 10:01 | |
| DrainBamaged | I know London is free to enter in cars on weekends, but where alchy is involved I will be bussing it | 10:02 |
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| HtheB | why not Amsterdam? :) | 10:02 |
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| sledges | HtheB: because ballock is in UK that weekend :) | 10:03 |
| HtheB | lets invite him another time to Amsterdam? :p | 10:03 |
| HtheB | heheh | 10:03 |
| sledges | yep, our messenger :D | 10:03 |
| HtheB | by the way, does anyone know if there is any chance of getting a shortcut active in the pulley meny while phone is locked? | 10:04 |
| sledges | essentially - whoever travels anywhere - communicates here and meet! jolla family worldwide ;) | 10:04 |
| HtheB | sledges: I haven't :( I was in London last saturday | 10:04 |
| aupo | Anyone in Chania next week? :D Got a conference trip coming up :D | 10:04 |
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| sledges | HtheB: argh :] | 10:05 |
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| sledges | the rule is active from now on :)) | 10:05 |
| HtheB | but I wasn't alone anyway :p | 10:05 |
| HtheB | I was with my wife, a friend of mine and his wife | 10:05 |
| sledges | the more the merrier :D | 10:05 |
| the_mgt | So where do I need to check if I wanted to write a patch in order to support volume keys on my headset? | 10:05 |
| the_mgt | Answering phone calls and pausing a track is nice, but I do not want to reach in my pockets to adjust volume | 10:06 |
| stephg | aupo: Chania at this time of year? niiiiice | 10:06 |
| HtheB | the_mgt: iphone headphones? | 10:06 |
| sledges | the_mgt: write to developer care | 10:06 |
| HtheB | would love to have such patch, because I have a couple headphones that are made for the iphone :( | 10:06 |
| tbr | also BT headset or wired? | 10:06 |
| tbr | on BT it WFM | 10:07 |
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| sledges | the_mgt: or try pinging jusa_ on #sailfishos too | 10:08 |
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| sledges | i got sgs3 headset, and vol keys don't work | 10:09 |
| aupo | stephg: Myup, nice indeed, though I presume I'll boil by Wednesday; not a fan of high temperatures, although last summer in Japan did kind of temper (huahauhaha!) me. | 10:10 |
| stephg | shouldn't be too hot, I mean it's not august | 10:11 |
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| aupo | Seems it'll be 30+ each day. | 10:12 |
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| * tbr summons jusa_ | 10:12 | |
| jusa_ | I felt a breeze in my aura | 10:12 |
| tbr | :> | 10:12 |
| aupo | :D | 10:12 |
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| aupo | I hope this isn't one of those cases where the summoning spell is known but the banishment spell has been lost... | 10:13 |
| sledges | 13:05 < the_mgt> So where do I need to check if I wanted to write a patch in order to support volume keys on my headset? | 10:13 |
| sledges | 13:06 < the_mgt> Answering phone calls and pausing a track is nice, but I do not want to reach in my pockets to adjust volume | 10:13 |
| sledges | jusa_: ^ | 10:13 |
| tbr | as said, would be good to know which brand phone this was for | 10:14 |
| ballock | ggabriel: I just bought the ticket to get to London (actually to Victoria Coach station) | 10:15 |
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| ballock | but the buses to the airport are like each half an hour, price stays constant | 10:15 |
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| stephg | ballock: which airport was it again? Stansted? | 10:15 |
| ballock | so it's hard to say when the party's gonna be over :) | 10:15 |
| sledges | tbr: let's say sgs3, one i got | 10:15 |
| ballock | yup | 10:15 |
| jusa_ | the_mgt: I'd start by installing mce-tools package, then run evdev_trace -t /dev/input/by-path/platform-soc-audio.0-event-headset-button and fiddle with the buttons | 10:16 |
| jusa_ | to see if the button presses are registered in kernel | 10:16 |
| ballock | the airport buses are like... expensive. from Liverpool St they're like 8 pounds, while it costs 7 pounds from Cardiff to London | 10:18 |
| ballock | and it's "kind of" further away than the airport | 10:18 |
| Plnt | ballock: easybus.co.uk has quite good fares if you buy it in advance | 10:19 |
| pdanek | They're still cheaper than train. | 10:19 |
| sledges | ballock: you meant to say bristol to london? | 10:19 |
| ballock | no, I'm flying to Bristol on Sat, getting a bus to Cardiff, and leaving from there | 10:19 |
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| sledges | ballock: Plnt: also megabus.co.uk | 10:19 |
| sledges | ballock: need a pickup from airport? :) | 10:20 |
| goroboro | you guys are so good | 10:20 |
| * sledges doesn't get jolla guests in bristol that often ;) | 10:21 | |
| goroboro | I'm up in Leicestershire... it seems like too much mission to come down to London for a night :D:D:D | 10:21 |
| goroboro | ah Bristol... wasn't following that so closely | 10:21 |
| ballock | goroboro: it's a hacking day and a drinking night :) | 10:21 |
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| ballock | sledges: not from Bristol, I'm supposed to be fine there | 10:22 |
| sledges | goroboro: long story short - party in london, but party starter flies to bristol first :) | 10:22 |
| goroboro | mmmm I really should be more proactive... | 10:22 |
| sledges | ballock: ok you got that covered then :) | 10:23 |
| * goroboro will have to check with the diary-keeper to see whether he is busy that weekend | 10:23 | |
| ballock | sledges: you'll be driving from Bristol? | 10:23 |
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| goroboro | the diary-keeper is very strict about my whereabouts... damn diary-keeper | 10:23 |
| sledges | ballock: yes | 10:23 |
| goroboro | the diary-keeper is my other other half | 10:24 |
| * sledges likes roadtrips, we could pick up lbt o na way :D | 10:24 | |
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| ballock | sledges: damn, I bouhght the ticket already | 10:24 |
| sledges | ballock: ach think first :D | 10:24 |
| sledges | returns policy? ;) | 10:25 |
| ballock | non-refundable | 10:25 |
| ballock | nay, I'll be fine | 10:25 |
| ballock | it wasn't even expensive | 10:25 |
| sledges | i just realised there won't be good trains/busses to go back to bristol late sunday night, so i'll go by car | 10:25 |
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| sledges | yea, you could still bin the tickets and have a roadtrip :D | 10:25 |
| ballock | 8 pounds for like 300 km | 10:25 |
| sledges | you have time to decide until 22nd June :D | 10:27 |
| ballock | I just checked the bus from Cardiff to London doesn't stop at Bristol | 10:27 |
| sledges | which busline? | 10:28 |
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| ballock | NX509 - National Express | 10:28 |
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| ballock | the only stop between cardiff and London is Newport | 10:28 |
| sledges | i don't mind picking you up from cardiff, it's just stone's throw away for the sake of adventure up for it :)) | 10:29 |
| sledges | (we went to fosdem by car this year :)) | 10:29 |
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| * vgrade will be there if I'm not moving house that weekend | 10:33 | |
| sledges | vgrade: you bettern't be ;) i shuffle my plans to :) | 10:33 |
| ballock | sledges: although the offer is tempting, I think I am good with a bus | 10:34 |
| tbr | what are you people up to? | 10:34 |
| sledges | ballock: as you please :p | 10:34 |
| vgrade | tbr: london meetup | 10:35 |
| Sail0r | has anyone installed the wpa_supplicant patch on 1.0.7.18 ? | 10:35 |
| tbr | ah | 10:35 |
| ballock | the this stone's throw is like 70 miles, which you'll need to go both ways, so kind-of a good throw | 10:35 |
| tbr | catapult? | 10:36 |
| sledges | ballock: then get a bus to bristol :D | 10:36 |
| ballock | :D | 10:36 |
| Nicd- | flux: I used the correct email but still no hotfix update :( | 10:36 |
| ballock | I'm thinking about asking the bus driver to stop on M4 ;) | 10:36 |
| sledges | :D | 10:36 |
| ballock | I don't think he would, though | 10:36 |
| sledges | cheers drive! | 10:36 |
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| Sail0r | how do I install source packages via pkcon, anyone? | 10:41 |
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| special | Sail0r: you can install zypper if pkcon doesn't do something you need, fwiw | 10:42 |
| special | (but I don't know the answer) | 10:42 |
| sledges | ballock: anyhow offer still holds, you have 9 days to consider :D | 10:42 |
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| DrainBamaged | sledges - You're in Bristol? | 10:44 |
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| sledges | DrainBamaged: yep | 10:45 |
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| DrainBamaged | I is gurt Brizzle too innit | 10:45 |
| * DrainBamaged is living in BS3 | 10:45 | |
| sledges | innit! | 10:45 |
| sledges | BS10 | 10:45 |
| sledges | :D | 10:45 |
| DrainBamaged | You could hop in my car to Londonium if you wish | 10:46 |
| sledges | haha, or shall we race? | 10:46 |
| DrainBamaged | Race? | 10:46 |
| DrainBamaged | Keep up ;) | 10:46 |
| sledges | :D we'll pull a straw on who's drinking who's driving :)) | 10:47 |
| * DrainBamaged is very happy to drive | 10:47 | |
| DrainBamaged | Given the choice, I'd sooner drive :-) | 10:48 |
| sledges | nice; so lbt is getting at least two people for a cuppa that Sunday, the rest of involvement is for him to decide :)) | 10:50 |
| * DrainBamaged nods | 10:50 | |
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| sledges | maybe he'll spin us to London in his TVR? :DDD | 10:50 |
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| gabriel9 | install Paradajz | 10:50 |
| DrainBamaged | Ha, that'd be fun | 10:50 |
| gabriel9 | it just been aproved | 10:50 |
| Scelt | as a Finn, there's no question who is driving... | 10:50 |
| sledges | defo | 10:50 |
| Scelt | the taxi driver of course | 10:50 |
| DrainBamaged | Finnish are the BEST I have ever come across | 10:51 |
| DrainBamaged | One of my ambitions is to learn how to drive Finnish style | 10:51 |
| DrainBamaged | For now I'm stuck with IAM/HPC | 10:51 |
| sledges | they have special drifting driving lessons on snow | 10:51 |
| * sledges jealous to bits :D | 10:51 | |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: care@ is not really descriptive what to return in the package when sending in a device... everything, phone only, phone + battery, phone + battery + cover? | 10:51 |
| sledges | mandatory in test :) | 10:51 |
| DrainBamaged | Yur, I know, is brilliance | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i don't know, sorry | 10:52 |
| DrainBamaged | Our tests don't cover night time or motorways... :S | 10:52 |
| chem|st | just tell to NOT send in your SIM and sdcard^^ | 10:52 |
| DrainBamaged | Not even advanced certificate does night driving... | 10:52 |
| Scelt | welcome to have it a go next winter | 10:52 |
| sledges | uk tests are "we'll bring you to the level know proficiency from where you can carry on learning to drive on your own" :)) | 10:52 |
| DrainBamaged | They do skid courses at Castle Combe, that's as good as it gets here | 10:53 |
| DrainBamaged | yur | 10:53 |
| sledges | Scelt: can't wait | 10:53 |
| * sledges been to Castle Combe last saturday | 10:53 | |
| DrainBamaged | What do you drive, sledges? | 10:53 |
| sledges | sports pug :D | 10:53 |
| DrainBamaged | What is this? | 10:53 |
| sledges | a 206 | 10:54 |
| sledges | what's IAM/HPC? | 10:54 |
| DrainBamaged | Arha | 10:54 |
| * tbr drives a tank | 10:54 | |
| DrainBamaged | Institute of Advanced Motorists / High Performance Club | 10:54 |
| sledges | tbr: seen your monster on g+ :D | 10:54 |
| Scelt | they skip learning many practical things here too. like how you know someone's coming towards you in a curve at the night | 10:54 |
| tbr | :> | 10:54 |
| sledges | Scelt: are they all aiming to hit you in curves? :) | 10:55 |
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| DrainBamaged | There's the Pegasus Driving Club too, which I am considering, a local thing | 10:55 |
| sledges | DrainBamaged: interwesting! what's your cart then? :)) | 10:55 |
| Scelt | sledges: nah. it's just better to know beforehand | 10:55 |
| DrainBamaged | I has a 2006 2.2 Litre Honda Civic Denzil | 10:55 |
| DrainBamaged | The one with all the triangles | 10:56 |
| sledges | i wish i got this one, then probably could keep up with ya :D http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261499239214 | 10:56 |
| Scelt | sledges: but it's true that usually people tend drive a bit in the middle of the road at the night. easier to elude the mooses and stuff | 10:56 |
| DrainBamaged | 160mph? That's a cool top speed | 10:56 |
| sledges | lol | 10:56 |
| sledges | indeed | 10:57 |
| DrainBamaged | I got mine to nearly it's top speed... | 10:57 |
| DrainBamaged | Which is 129mph | 10:57 |
| sledges | but we are -drifting- into an offtopic here :D | 10:57 |
| DrainBamaged | But the road wasn't long enough, so I got to 120mph | 10:57 |
| DrainBamaged | We are... | 10:57 |
| sledges | ok then, your car to London it is then :D ballock are you following? :D | 10:58 |
| DrainBamaged | Super | 10:58 |
| DrainBamaged | ballock is welcome to jump in the car too | 10:58 |
| sledges | gert lush | 10:58 |
| DrainBamaged | It's proper like :D | 10:58 |
| sledges | yes, from a driving bus | 10:58 |
| DrainBamaged | He'll have to bail on the M4 and we do a rolling pick up :-P | 10:59 |
| mcfrisk | hmm, what causes complete poweroff cases in jolla? was just browsing Fahrplan app when the display went black and device seemed to have shut down completely. | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: update7? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | if yes, contact care | 11:00 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: yes, latest SW | 11:00 |
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| mcfrisk | Also saw one case where touch stopped working, only power and audio buttons got UI responses, though double tap was still working. reboot fixed that too. | 11:01 |
| mcfrisk | oh, again poweroff, shiit... | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | turn off device, pull battery for 10 minutes, put it back in again | 11:03 |
| mcfrisk | never had to do this before, but ok.. | 11:03 |
| ballock | sledges, DrainBamaged I'm following | 11:04 |
| DrainBamaged | Oki | 11:05 |
| ballock | DrainBamaged: where are you driving from ? Bristol? | 11:06 |
| DrainBamaged | Shame, be a fun ride in my car ;-) | 11:06 |
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| DrainBamaged | Yes, ballock | 11:06 |
| ballock | ok, that gets the same then | 11:06 |
| DrainBamaged | Where are you located, if you don't mind me asking? | 11:06 |
| ballock | I guess I'll be after a party on Saturday, so a calm ride in a calm bus would get me going for the next one in London :) | 11:07 |
| ballock | regularly it's Wrocław, PL | 11:07 |
| ballock | it's gonna be a fun weekend :) | 11:08 |
| DrainBamaged | Aha, fair nuff | 11:09 |
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| sledges | DrainBamaged: thanks for chipping in, be aware you'll have to bear with us for the whole hacking day :D | 11:12 |
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| DrainBamaged | That's fine | 11:13 |
| DrainBamaged | Did you get my /notice, sledges? | 11:13 |
| DrainBamaged | I'll enjoy watching this sort of thing, never been to such a meetup before and I'm very techie minded :D | 11:13 |
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| sledges | Jolly good :) | 11:14 |
| DrainBamaged | Jolla good, you mean? | 11:14 |
| sledges | got your notice DrainBamaged , was about to do the same in case of major internet outage closer to the day :)) | 11:14 |
| sledges | certainly :)) | 11:15 |
| DrainBamaged | You ok to play shat-nav? | 11:15 |
| DrainBamaged | Or shall I bring TomTom? | 11:15 |
| DrainBamaged | You missed called me? | 11:16 |
| sledges | just pinged you back, call me Sim :)) (to many puns already :) | 11:16 |
| sledges | shite-nav? i'll bring jolla with gmaps, most of times gets me there :D | 11:16 |
| DrainBamaged | I'll have N9 and Jolla on me | 11:17 |
| sledges | very well ;) | 11:17 |
| sledges | maps on N9 support turn-by-turn iirc :P | 11:17 |
| DrainBamaged | yur | 11:17 |
| DrainBamaged | It does | 11:17 |
| DrainBamaged | I'll bring TomTom too, just in case | 11:18 |
| sledges | :D | 11:18 |
| DrainBamaged | We'll be more than covered | 11:18 |
| DrainBamaged | Just remember to bring a CD or two for the journey | 11:18 |
| sledges | yep | 11:18 |
| * sledges grabs a CD case | 11:18 | |
| DrainBamaged | I have my comedies and GTA V soundtracks | 11:18 |
| sledges | comedies? | 11:18 |
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| Scelt | best of voice navi: "Drive straight ... the next ... three ... hundred ... kilometers" Thank you! | 11:18 |
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| DrainBamaged | Yes, Cabin Pressure and Down the Line, for example | 11:19 |
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| * sledges plugs youtube | 11:20 | |
| sledges | DrainBamaged: I got Da Vinci's Notebook album, so will blend 'music' and comedy :) | 11:21 |
| DrainBamaged | oki, I don't know this so that works for me | 11:21 |
| sledges | so we got crew, ship, and the map. | 11:23 |
| sledges | venue is missing (cc ggabriel :) | 11:23 |
| * DrainBamaged nods | 11:24 | |
| sledges | DrainBamaged: what's Denzil? Benzin or Diesel? :D | 11:24 |
| DrainBamaged | Diesel | 11:24 |
| sledges | or hybrid :D | 11:24 |
| DrainBamaged | I call it Denzil because it sounds more fun | 11:24 |
| sledges | derv | 11:25 |
| sledges | :D | 11:25 |
| DrainBamaged | derv? | 11:25 |
| sledges | diesel oil for road vehicles :D | 11:26 |
| sledges | (diesel-engined road vehicle) | 11:26 |
| DrainBamaged | Oh ok | 11:26 |
| vgrade | sledges: re venue for hacking I applied to google campus but they said they could not do that day | 11:30 |
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| sledges | mmm, hackerspaces spring to mind | 11:34 |
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| DrainBamaged | We need a starting time too, sledges. | 11:38 |
| * DrainBamaged likes to plan things | 11:38 | |
| sledges | setting off from brizzle? -2hours? ;) | 11:38 |
| DrainBamaged | Central London will take another hour from M25 junction | 11:39 |
| DrainBamaged | I reckon on three hours | 11:39 |
| DrainBamaged | Give or take | 11:39 |
| sledges | safe | 11:39 |
| DrainBamaged | But we neither know venue or start time :D | 11:40 |
| pdanek | I was unfortunate and traveled to airport during The Tube strike. Guess what, I had to sleep in the airport. :) | 11:40 |
| DrainBamaged | Oh no | 11:40 |
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| pdanek | Never underestimate power of London traffic. | 11:41 |
| DrainBamaged | There's a song about the London Underground | 11:41 |
| DrainBamaged | I know, it's pretty solid most the time | 11:41 |
| * SK_work wants to go to London :D | 11:41 | |
| DrainBamaged | I've not driven in London for years, central, that is | 11:41 |
| DrainBamaged | Is super crowded, but loads of touristy things to do | 11:42 |
| DrainBamaged | I wouldn't ever live there, but visiting is ok | 11:42 |
| stephg | SK_work: will buy you a beverage of your choice next time you're around | 11:44 |
| SK_work | stephg: :) | 11:44 |
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| sledges | pdanek: http://vimeo.com/97634383 | 11:49 |
| sledges | time for some viral videos, it's friday :D | 11:50 |
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| goroboro | lol | 12:02 |
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| ggabriel | 12:40 < DrainBamaged> But we neither know venue or start time :D | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | I suggested the founder's arms ages ago | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | I'm happy to start from 12.00 | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | but not sure that's the right venue for hacking as it normally gets busy | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | (especially if the day is nice) | 12:08 |
| sledges | that | 12:10 |
| sledges | any hackerspaces around? | 12:10 |
| sledges | ggabriel: | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | not that i know of... | 12:11 |
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| DrainBamaged | Bristol has one | 12:12 |
| DrainBamaged | I walked past it by accident last week | 12:12 |
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| * DrainBamaged did a real life 'StumbleUpon' :P | 12:12 | |
| ggabriel | you mean like this http://southlondonmakerspace.org/ | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | but not sure how to join, etc | 12:13 |
| DrainBamaged | There's this one https://london.hackspace.org.uk/ | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | ok, you gotta be a member | 12:14 |
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| sledges | im sure they wouldn't mind having us as guests :) | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure they won't but somebody should ping somebody who is a member | 12:16 |
| ggabriel | sundays are often tricky | 12:16 |
| ballock | we'd just need to find a member which will host us | 12:16 |
| DrainBamaged | Or a pub with free wiffy | 12:16 |
| goroboro | there are plenty of those in London | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | yeah, trouble is that they may be busy | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | oh, and there's the world cup | 12:17 |
| goroboro | the downside is your code is going to get progressively worse through the day | 12:17 |
| DrainBamaged | It's London, it's GOING to be busy | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | the pub i suggested, definitely | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | anything else you want to go away from central | 12:17 |
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| javispedro | did anyone get update7 kernel sources already? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | gave it to konsta yesterday | 12:24 |
| javispedro | great! | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | i'm backlogged as f*** atm | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930 | 12:25 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, I understand, thanks! | 12:25 |
| * javispedro will update tonight | 12:25 | |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps, btw I retract saying I updated the firmware, turns out I only "updated" the part where calibration, MAC, etc. is stored (I think) | 12:26 |
| javispedro | (on the wlan/prima topic) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:27 |
| javispedro | fw is nonredistributable | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes afaik | 12:27 |
| javispedro | so I have to suspect it is a fw issue :( | 12:27 |
| javispedro | I tried to go the most recent driver I could without changing the kernel (by bisecting basically) | 12:28 |
| javispedro | and still same issues... | 12:28 |
| mornfall | hmm | 12:28 |
| mornfall | new connman didn't really help, afterall | 12:28 |
| mornfall | phone still stays stuck with mobile data | 12:28 |
| javispedro | mornfall, you can't enable wlan? | 12:29 |
| mornfall | javispedro: I can, but it doesn't work. :) | 12:29 |
| mornfall | have to connect manually | 12:29 |
| mornfall | (and that doesn't work until I disable/enable wlan anyway) | 12:30 |
| javispedro | weird | 12:30 |
| mornfall | same as it always was, anyway | 12:30 |
| javispedro | there's a connmanctl tool | 12:30 |
| javispedro | I don't remember the package offhand | 12:30 |
| mornfall | actually, I can't connect at all? | 12:30 |
| javispedro | but it was on the default repos | 12:30 |
| mornfall | got the stripey wlan icon when I disable mobile | 12:31 |
| javispedro | yeah, mine does the same | 12:31 |
| mornfall | disabling/enabling wlan doesn't work either | 12:31 |
| javispedro | wlan driver probably crashed :) | 12:32 |
| mornfall | lovely | 12:32 |
| mornfall | proprietary junk | 12:32 |
| javispedro | not propietary any longer, but junk indeed | 12:33 |
| mornfall | it's prima now? | 12:33 |
| javispedro | yeah, this is what I was talking above -- I'm using prima and it seems mostly the same | 12:34 |
| javispedro | the version used in jolla seems to be a bit of a frankenmonster with some random backports | 12:34 |
| mornfall | ah ok... coz for all I can tell I still have the wlan.ko blob | 12:34 |
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| javispedro | in any case this is a different topic because it won't fix your crashiness | 12:35 |
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| javispedro | probably stopping connman, rmmod wlan, modprobe wlan, start connman would do something | 12:35 |
| javispedro | (or rebooting even =) ) | 12:35 |
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| mornfall | failure to disable host offload feature | 12:36 |
| sledges | ggabriel: i'm talking to london hackspace about creating an event - looks like there isn't to do too much to make it an event, in hopes of us donating | 12:36 |
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| sledges | i'll try to pull this off, in the worst case we sit in a park/pub/weather-permitting :) | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | sledges: sounds good | 12:38 |
| mornfall | reloading the module doesn't fix it either | 12:38 |
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| sledges | ggabriel: their acceptance looking positive so far yay | 12:40 |
| sledges | we'd need to focus on what we want to hack, vgrade with nexusone & other army of phones would be very welcomed :) | 12:41 |
| vgrade | any chance of Jolla donation | 12:41 |
| vgrade | sledges: I have devices | 12:41 |
| sledges | anyone's got a fancy toh too? | 12:41 |
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| mornfall | javispedro: connman carries its own wpa supplicant? | 12:43 |
| mornfall | apparently no | 12:44 |
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| sledges | hey now they want us in https://www.emfcamp.org/ too :D | 12:45 |
| sledges | cybette: ^ | 12:45 |
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| ggabriel | festival looks good | 12:46 |
| javispedro | mornfall, no, it uses wpa_supplicant | 12:46 |
| javispedro | (but wpa_supplicant reacts to removing the iface better than connman :) ) | 12:46 |
| sledges | ggabriel: what do you imagine us hacking on ? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: that looks interesting.. mail cybette | 12:47 |
| sledges | (london hackspace is central london -ish, so will be ok for ballock ) | 12:47 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: ok | 12:47 |
| mornfall | javispedro: well, there is a reason why I use wpa_supplicant+dhcpcd on my laptop instead of all those fancy managers that can't get a wlan connection for the life of them... | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | sledges: i have no idea... like you suggest, running sailfish on other devices than jolla is a good start | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | maybe showing that the nexus 4 can run it | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | maybe having 2 nexus's 4 and showing that jolla is faster than android :P | 12:48 |
| sledges | ok, high level stuff | 12:49 |
| sledges | i'd like to show a TOH too... | 12:49 |
| sledges | but haven't got any | 12:49 |
| mornfall | javispedro: systemctl restart connman immediately gave me a connection | 12:50 |
| mornfall | javispedro: so it's not the wlan driver, it's connman | 12:50 |
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| javispedro | mornfall, if you removed and reinserted the module while connman was running that is a big nogo | 12:50 |
| mornfall | javispedro: uh, why? | 12:51 |
| javispedro | mornfall, as said connman doesn't react well to the wlan interface disappearing | 12:51 |
| mornfall | interesting | 12:51 |
| javispedro | or maybe it's connectionagent, who knows | 12:51 |
| mornfall | but it's 2014, hotplug has been around for well over a decade | 12:51 |
| javispedro | (connectionagent is jolla's ui for connman) | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | sledges: i assume you mean showing a cool toh rather than hackin git | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | else you may need a bit more time (to play with electornics and all that stuff) | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | <- not a hacker tho :P | 12:52 |
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| sledges | ggabriel: wireless charging toh or any toh that uses not NFS but the i2c/charging/power pins | 12:52 |
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| * mornfall installs connman-tools | 12:53 | |
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| sledges | *NFC | 12:53 |
| mornfall | only it's not the package with connmanctl | 12:53 |
| mornfall | hmm | 12:53 |
| sledges | but yea, nfc colour covers will be a start for those who haven't seen jolla at all | 12:53 |
| vgrade | sledges: how about a topic on tjc | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | i wonder if anybody in london has the led toh, keyboard toh or something like that | 12:54 |
| sledges | vgrade: last time it was twitter :D | 12:54 |
| sledges | 20 peeps in 24 hours :D | 12:54 |
| HtheB | :P | 12:54 |
| javispedro | mornfall, try the -test packages | 12:55 |
| mornfall | I have that one already | 12:55 |
| sledges | yep ggabriel, and if not, we'll just adhere to a loose agenda anyhow, chillin :) | 12:55 |
| * javispedro checks jolla | 12:55 | |
| * sledges grabs food before proping an email to london-hackspace | 12:56 | |
| Wnt | how can I monitor the device power usage from command line session? | 12:56 |
| javispedro | hm | 12:56 |
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| sledges | Wnt: powertop | 12:56 |
| javispedro | `file /usr/bin/connmanctl is not owned by any package' | 12:56 |
| mornfall | javispedro: cool huh? :-) | 12:56 |
| javispedro | where did I get this from? :/ | 12:56 |
| Wnt | sledges: does it show the mA it's currently pulling from the battery? | 12:57 |
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| sledges | Wnt: don't think it's that smart, but gives you biggest offenders | 12:57 |
| javispedro | ooh | 12:57 |
| mornfall | javispedro: built from source? | 12:57 |
| javispedro | mornfall, /usr/lib/connman/tools/connmanctl | 12:57 |
| javispedro | found it :) | 12:57 |
| sledges | Wnt: i mean, per-app | 12:57 |
| javispedro | mornfall, connman-tools | 12:57 |
| sledges | overall mA can be found out from upower --dump | 12:57 |
| Wnt | sledges: I'm more interested in the mA usage | 12:57 |
| Wnt | ok, thanks sledges! | 12:58 |
| mornfall | javispedro: I must be blind, I was staring at rpm -ql connman-tools a minute ago | 12:58 |
| sledges | Wnt: soz, i assumed you want per-app :)) | 12:58 |
| sledges | upower --dump should be for you then | 12:58 |
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| Wnt | I want to see how long the battery would last when playing a video fullscreen | 12:58 |
| mornfall | javispedro: next time, ~/bin is a better place for manual symlinks ;) | 13:00 |
| sledges | Wnt: grep for energy-rate and time-to-empty | 13:00 |
| sledges | "time to empty" | 13:00 |
| Wnt | ~3 hous when streaming a video from youtube over wlan | 13:00 |
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| ballock | sledges: I'll be bringing an Archos tablet with Android sources to hack, that might be an excuse for letting us in :) | 13:01 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | My huawei is waiting for | 13:01 |
| * sledges wonders if we'll have hadk out by then, ballock :)) | 13:01 | |
| javispedro | mornfall, yep | 13:02 |
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| ballock | sledges: bring whatever you have ;) I think we'll try managing without one | 13:02 |
| ballock | as a last resort we'll be pinging Stskeeps for some tips ;) | 13:03 |
| sledges | :)) good call | 13:03 |
| ballock | sledges: besides, who reads the docs anyway? | 13:04 |
| sledges | lulz what docs? :)) | 13:04 |
| Teme | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1m9DWfmzYogJ:blog.ruecker.fi/2013/12/01/mosh-for-sailfish/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera boohoo, why doesn't this work :( | 13:13 |
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| Nicd- | ask tbr | 13:14 |
| tbr | moo? | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | it used to (I had mosh earlier) | 13:14 |
| ballock | tbr: your site's down | 13:14 |
| tbr | I know | 13:14 |
| tbr | I'm migrating servers... | 13:14 |
| Teme | getting 'Fatal error: file '/repodata/repomdl.xml' not found on medium 'http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/dm8tbr:/branches:/nemo:/devel:/mv/latest_arm7hl/' | 13:14 |
| tbr | that is an OBS thing | 13:14 |
| Teme | workaround ? | 13:14 |
| tbr | I believe I wrote that this was temporary? | 13:15 |
| tbr | use Chum repos. | 13:15 |
| * tbr pokes lbt chum7? | 13:15 | |
| Teme | i believe it was tl;dr and i just bashed in the commands ;) | 13:15 |
| * tbr should start putting "devel-su rm -rf /" in those again, for those users who don't think | 13:16 | |
| Nicd- | don't forget --no-preserve-root | 13:16 |
| Teme | hehe | 13:16 |
| ballock | Nicd-: was it included in Jolla too? I thought it only arrived in Fedoras? | 13:17 |
| tbr | Teme: meanwhile, try with this one | 13:18 |
| tbr | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/sailfishos:/chum:/1.0.4.20/1.0.4.20_armv7hl/ | 13:18 |
| tbr | it should work, but hopefully we'll have chum for u7 soon too | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | ballock: I don't actually know | 13:19 |
| ballock | Nicd-: why not try running it? | 13:19 |
| tbr | also please everyone contribute to the thoughts on chum | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | ballock: :) | 13:19 |
| tbr | we need to get something rolling | 13:19 |
| ballock | Nicd-: yup, it's there | 13:20 |
| ballock | and I see Ubuntus also have it | 13:20 |
| ballock | so either they all used the patch, or it was pushed upstream | 13:20 |
| sledges | PSA: tbr & all, chum: http://piratepad.net/iVW0lrOKXF | 13:21 |
| tbr | thanks! | 13:21 |
| Teme | tbr: thx i'll give it a spin | 13:22 |
| sledges | tbr: Teme: building mosh against sailfishos:latest repo will produce an u7-compatible one, all good there | 13:23 |
| sledges | (sailfishos:1.0.7.16 in reality) | 13:23 |
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| sledges | we just need sailfishos:chum:1.0.7.16 created by lbt for sane world again) | 13:24 |
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| Hartzi | does anyone have idea how to unhide a person in MK? coderus? | 13:39 |
| Sailor6916_ | Hartzi: By shaking the phone... | 13:41 |
| Hartzi | wtf | 13:41 |
| Hartzi | nice one | 13:42 |
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| Hartzi | but not very intuitive.. | 13:43 |
| Sailor6916_ | :) yep, it is | 13:44 |
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| Sailor6916_ | pretty much impossible to figure out without knowing it.... | 13:48 |
| special | it's very discoverable; you get angry at your phone for not doing what you want, you shake it, and it does what you want | 13:48 |
| special | emotion-based UX development | 13:49 |
| goroboro | :D:D:D | 13:49 |
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| Hartzi | special: :DDDD | 13:49 |
| Hartzi | true! | 13:49 |
| sharpneli | Funny because it's true! | 13:49 |
| ballock | special: not really, last phone I shook didn't survive my shaking it | 13:50 |
| ballock | and that one was much less fragile than Jolla (or any other smartphone nowadays) | 13:50 |
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| special | then you buy a new phone and it pads my salary, sounds fine to me ;) | 13:51 |
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| special | but in seriousness, with the exception of games, "shake" is usually an example of gestures done wrong | 13:52 |
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| special | one exception: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5rCwKIogNc | 13:53 |
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| ballock | special: really? sounds like a huge fail, with maps reportedly asking you to report an issue on every road bump | 13:59 |
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| special | there's a setting for it, it might even be off by default | 13:59 |
| special | I'd also assume they disable it while routing | 14:00 |
| special | it's all about tuning. | 14:00 |
| ballock | special: sure. I'll be tuning a feature that's supposed to let me report an issue? | 14:00 |
| ballock | wow, that's... abuse of my time | 14:01 |
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| special | they're referring to map data problems too, not just application bugs | 14:01 |
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| phlixi | actually i think there is a second "valid shake case", i used it on n9, shake to answer a call | 14:33 |
| phlixi | because it does not need action on the UI, while ringing, take out of pocket, shake and put to ear... | 14:34 |
| phlixi | no need to do anything on the display. | 14:34 |
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| phlixi | ..of course this shaking should not be mistankenly recognized as "turn on other side" to silence and vice versa ;-) | 14:35 |
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| FireFly | Good call | 14:43 |
| FireFly | being able to answer without interaction with the display seems like a good idea to me | 14:43 |
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| goroboro | agreed... although the shake would have to be vigorous to prevent you from accidentally answering unwanted calls | 14:44 |
| Aciid | Hey is harbour down for maintenance? Can't seem to add new apps | 14:46 |
| Aciid | ah it just loaded forever | 14:46 |
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| CoderCandy | HEY | 15:15 |
| CoderCandy | I solved the 4g data traffic problem | 15:15 |
| CoderCandy | I needed another APN for 4g | 15:15 |
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| chem|st | CoderCandy: shout it to jolla! | 15:22 |
| CoderCandy | Uhm, it's carrier specific | 15:22 |
| chem|st | CoderCandy: they source lists provided by dumb carriers... | 15:23 |
| CoderCandy | Oh, where do I find that one | 15:23 |
| chem|st | CoderCandy: no idea, but that stuff is sourced from some list | 15:23 |
| special | preconfigured APNs come from https://github.com/mer-packages/mobile-broadband-provider-info/ | 15:24 |
| special | or sometimes from provisioning messages by the provider | 15:24 |
| special | I'm not sure MBPI has the ability to separate 3g and 4g configurations | 15:24 |
| special | but it might be worth changing your provider's to the 4g one. | 15:25 |
| CoderCandy | I'm looking at the xml file | 15:25 |
| CoderCandy | and my carrier has it's regular APN there | 15:25 |
| CoderCandy | But... I have no idea how to add a 4g thing | 15:26 |
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| Nicd- | OMG OMG OMG Marc replied to my comment in TJC <3 | 15:31 |
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| Nicd- | well, he replied to everyone's comment but still | 15:31 |
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| Nicd- | this is the happiest day of my life | 15:32 |
| aupo | True fan, eh? :D | 15:33 |
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| Nicd- | and he called my idea great! | 15:33 |
| * Nicd- melts | 15:33 | |
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| AL13N | btw: for anyone who cares to know... i succeeded in using PBAB with my car kit (Parrot) | 15:42 |
| AL13N | the clue was that i had inputted the wrong password before | 15:42 |
| AL13N | so i need to try it, have it fail, then i can change the pin code and then i can retry | 15:42 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: for my WLAN packet loss problem + duplicates... i had contacted care about it (and the shutdown issue and the sim card holder issue) , but they didn't know what to do with the WLAN packet loss issue | 15:44 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: btw, i tried contacting Sage_ a few times, but he's apparently not online when i am, or something | 15:44 |
| faenil | having a chat with Sage_ is not easy, he's super busy :) | 15:45 |
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| pdanek | http://www.connectedly.com/daily-show-takes-google-glass-do-you-hear-what-youre-saying | 15:51 |
| pdanek | cool video | 15:51 |
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| goroboro | Video is US only, sorry | 15:56 |
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| tbr | some ssh -D socks proxying later the video plays just fine... | 16:01 |
| goroboro | bah | 16:02 |
| goroboro | couldn't be arsed | 16:02 |
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| * tbr is not impressed | 16:06 | |
| tbr | can I have those 5min of my life back ploxx? | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | tbr: have you watched man of steel? | 16:08 |
| * goroboro is glad to have saved 5 mins :D | 16:08 | |
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| chem|st | special: yeah usually the highest config works downwards... the 4g config works fro everything but MMS for mine | 16:10 |
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| tbr | ggabriel: don't think so | 16:11 |
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| special | chem|st: MBPI patches welcome ;) | 16:17 |
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| chem|st | special: everything is working fine with mine... it is off and on its way to helsinki^^ | 16:22 |
| chem|st | ;) | 16:22 |
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| ggabriel | tbr: cool, i've already saved you ~2h of your life :P | 16:24 |
| tbr | ggabriel: \o/ | 16:24 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: pling, any news about the gpio ? (it is blocking eink toh development :( ) Running app as root will ruin console output and also the app appearance too | 16:27 |
| sledges | kimmoli: was it working without root before? | 16:28 |
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| gexc | would it cause increasing battery consumption by setting the phone at 4G mode in an area without 4G signal coverage? | 16:29 |
| kimmoli | sledges: from 1.0.4.x (iirc) and for sure on 1.0.5.19 atleast | 16:29 |
| tbr | kimmoli: how far are you with your eink things? I might want to join in. I can't promise much constructive help but a lot of enthusiasm | 16:34 |
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| Stskeeps | kimmoli: well, root can go into journal | 16:34 |
| kimmoli | tbr: here i am: https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/476705070814625792/photo/1 and here https://github.com/kimmoli/stm32-toh-programmer | 16:38 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: that doesn't help ... | 16:39 |
| sledges | kimmoli: run a daemon?.. | 16:40 |
| Nicd- | kimmoli: I love the rage face on the board :D | 16:40 |
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| kimmoli | äh uh oh, but i just made nice gui for programming my arm on toh... and yes, it will be a daemon eventually... but... in Finnish "Saavutetuista eduista ei luovuta" | 16:42 |
| sledges | understand your situation kimmoli | 16:44 |
| sledges | start splitting into two apps? ;) if eventually it will be a headless daemon anyhow with non-priviledged client chattering | 16:45 |
| kimmoli | it eill be daemon eventually, but the programmer would be a separate tool as i intend to use same cpu for (lots) of other future projects too | 16:47 |
| kimmoli | but, i will change it back to cli tool, then i can run it as root | 16:47 |
| * sledges nods cli ftw for intense developing :) | 16:47 | |
| sledges | quite likely they won't let you remain as nemo only for too long :) | 16:48 |
| * kimmoli hopes maybe someday the gpio is controllable again as nemo | 16:48 | |
| sledges | wasn't there a reason it anymore isn't? | 16:48 |
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| kimmoli | no | 16:51 |
| kimmoli | someone suspected that someone has forgotten to include udev rule, or that systemd update did mess things up | 16:51 |
| sledges | oh ok | 16:51 |
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| kimmoli | öh. höm. so maybe i have been wrong afterall. and maybe i have used it as root. maybe i should go to a corner. | 16:55 |
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| kimmoli | now got chance to test it in 1.0.5.19 :: [nemo@Jolla gpio]$ devel-su echo 67 > export >> -bash: export: Lupa evätty | 16:57 |
| * kimmoli shames rageing about this | 16:57 | |
| kimmoli | and goes to write a daemon | 16:57 |
| * Stskeeps offers kimmoli a cold one | 16:57 | |
| kimmoli | tnx, i have only warm cola | 16:58 |
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| Nicd- | hey kimmoli, forgive me if this is too personal but have you been involved with the maemo / meego projects earlier? and how do have so much time? you just seem extremely productive :D churning out TOHs and apps | 17:07 |
| Nicd- | meanwhile I never seem to have time to continue my app. or I'm just being lazy | 17:07 |
| kimmoli | :) | 17:07 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: not only about laziness | 17:07 |
| SK_work | (IMO) | 17:07 |
| kimmoli | i sleep less | 17:08 |
| SK_work | especially if you work and that you want to spend time with your girlfriend / wife / family | 17:08 |
| SK_work | kimmoli: ah, you are lucky | 17:08 |
| SK_work | some people can't :( (like me :() | 17:08 |
| special | I wish every night that I could do the "sleep less" thing | 17:08 |
| special | and every morning it fails | 17:08 |
| kimmoli | :) | 17:10 |
| SK_work | special: hum ... | 17:10 |
| kimmoli | that happens | 17:10 |
| SK_work | I thought you never sleep | 17:11 |
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| special | I require a lot of sleep, it just happens at erratic times | 17:11 |
| * SK_work imagines special falling asleep during meetings | 17:12 | |
| SK_work | (or during hack day) | 17:12 |
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| special | haha, nah, always in one block | 17:12 |
| special | but you'll never see me before 10am unless I had something scheduled that I can't avoid | 17:13 |
| SK_work | special: like the cat you live at night | 17:13 |
| SK_work | or should I have said: like batman, you live at night | 17:13 |
| special | it's getting harder now that I'm in norway | 17:13 |
| special | where night ..basically doesn't exist right now | 17:13 |
| SK_work | ;) | 17:14 |
| faenil | hehe | 17:14 |
| SK_work | reminds me of Jolla love day | 17:14 |
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| special | it's unfortunate, all the meetings I used to have at 1am are now at 8am | 17:15 |
| faenil | XD | 17:15 |
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| SK_work | special: too bad | 17:16 |
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| Aciid | Easy daily The Other Half pastel colors now available | 18:16 |
| Aciid | https://twitter.com/ilarilind/status/477514578180706305 | 18:16 |
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| Quu | wat | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Aciid: sure that 20eur bill isn't fake? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:23 |
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| slate | blueish ibooks were also cool back in the day | 18:24 |
| slate | blue from jeans | 18:24 |
| slate | Aciid: all plastics do that. | 18:25 |
| slate | its a feature! | 18:25 |
| FireFly | Mine's still nicely ora^H^H^Hred | 18:26 |
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| slate | Mine got quite terrible looking in 2 months | 18:27 |
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| slate | colored and scrathed | 18:27 |
| slate | but hey, its made to be used. | 18:27 |
| Aciid | slate: I wasn't being negative | 18:30 |
| Aciid | this is just cool :D | 18:30 |
| slate | hehe, okey :) not the first time something written is misunderstood. | 18:31 |
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| lechris | jolla-email stopped automatic updating today. a | 20:18 |
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| lechris | any ideas what to look for? | 20:18 |
| Sail0r | reboot :x | 20:19 |
| Sail0r | worked for me everytime sync stopped to work ^^ | 20:20 |
| lechris | all acounts disappeared and came back after areboot. just automatic e-mail fetching did not. | 20:20 |
| lechris | i already rebooted several times. the symptoms remain the same. | 20:21 |
| Sail0r | hmm | 20:22 |
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| lechris | Sail0r, do you have any idea where to look for some hints? logs, config files, ...? | 20:23 |
| Sail0r | journalctl maybe | 20:23 |
| Sail0r | did you try to change the time when sync is done? | 20:23 |
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| Quu | lechris: you need to delete the email-app-settings-file-thingie | 20:24 |
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| lechris | i tried. switching from 30 to 5 seconds made it work again for two syncs. i had no luck with this attempt since then. | 20:25 |
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| lecris | thank you very much Quu! two syncs worked like a charm. :) | 20:58 |
| kimmoli | yay, got it communicating !! http://pastebin.com/ADfBkJ0f | 20:58 |
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| Aciid | Hey, is there any known quirks with SailOTP, I don't seem to get it to work with Google Authenicator codes | 22:51 |
| Aciid | *are there | 22:51 |
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| Aciid | I'm using NTP for that so shouldn't be a timing issue | 22:51 |
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