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| netzvieh | mhh 54k files might be too much for the tracker | 05:14 |
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| netzvieh | or phone goes to deepsleep and slows down the process. | 05:15 |
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| netzvieh | aaaand unmounting the share hangs up the shell \o/ | 05:20 |
| netzvieh | (doing anything with the Music folder isn't possible oO) | 05:21 |
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| netzvieh | hmm there's free RAM, CPU usage isn't excessive, filesystem isn't full | 05:25 |
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| flux | I realize it was means to an end, but nfs-mounting music to jolla doesn't sound the most workable idea to me :) | 05:39 |
| Stskeeps | NFS: spotify of the 80s | 05:39 |
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| flux | wasn't there some MPD client already for jolla.. | 05:39 |
| flux | though it would be cool if it were possible to integrate that into the media system somehow :) | 05:40 |
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| tbr | flux: yes there is, unfortunately it didn't allow for the stream option to be configurable, so for me it was a pure remote | 05:52 |
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| stephg | morning guys | 06:21 |
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| Aciid | Hey , I just borked my S4 like totally. Are there any pointers to read about Jolla for "developers"? | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, what would you like to know? | 07:27 |
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| Aciid | I'm keen to know is it like people have told me that its the best phone for developrs and well as closest you can get to linux on phone at the moment | 07:27 |
| Aciid | as a phone | 07:27 |
| Aciid | like I think my question is is it suitable that I can code c apps for it and such little things, that are not even possible with samsung | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | it's practically a small linux phone but be aware it's not x11 | 07:28 |
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| Aciid | yeah, I'm one of those "automate everything" guys so I think it would suite me very well, I tried an openmoko back in the days and i absolutely loved it | 07:28 |
| entil | too bad its hardware was crap :/ | 07:29 |
| Aciid | shame that openmoko n900 is still a long way to go, I guess Jolla would be a waypoint for me | 07:29 |
| entil | the openmoko's that is | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | just be aware that the OS isn't fully open source; hardware adaptation is closed; a lot of UI is closed source (but not browser, office app), but a lot of the QML is avaialble for patching | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | but if you open a terminal, after developer mode enablement, you get a full bash, sshd, etc.. | 07:30 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, Neo900 release is estimated Q4/14 | 07:30 |
| Nicd- | have to follow that project, I have an old N900 lying around | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: i (personally) have doubts after recent troubles | 07:30 |
| entil | Aciid: as someone who has zero real experience of c++ or qt5 I managed to whip up an application by the documentations | 07:30 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: what kind of troubles? :( | 07:31 |
| Aciid | entil: then I'm more than impressed on how it has become _the_ platform | 07:31 |
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| Aciid | I guess I'm off to verkkokauppa.com today then! | 07:31 |
| entil | Aciid: hah, it just means it has documentation that literate people can read | 07:32 |
| Aciid | yea and it's documentation is up to date correct? compared to well nokia dev docs for example lol | 07:32 |
| Aciid | they were mostly in-house all the companies knew how to make "good" applications | 07:32 |
| entil | I can only speak for myself but I got by with the docs :P | 07:32 |
| Aciid | so the internet documentaion for symbian was shit | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | Aciid: what country are you in? | 07:32 |
| Aciid | Finland :3 | 07:33 |
| Nicd- | Aciid: tre? | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok, no problem then | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | go to a dna shop and try out the device | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:33 |
| Aciid | Helsinki | 07:33 |
| Nicd- | shame | 07:33 |
| entil | I interfaced with libcommhistory which is not meant to be interfaced with, there were generated docs for that but no how to for obvious reasons - still managed to get by | 07:33 |
| Aciid | my friends have shilled me jolla for so long | 07:33 |
| Nicd- | :D | 07:33 |
| Aciid | I dont need to try it | 07:33 |
| Aciid | I'm a belieber now | 07:33 |
| entil | I pimped the jolla stand at the local hakaniemi dna shop :D | 07:33 |
| entil | it looked so ... desolate | 07:33 |
| entil | like propped up the ad booklets and stuff like that to make it look more tempting ;) | 07:35 |
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| Nicd- | hehe | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | usually the jolla stand is kind of lonely in the corner | 07:36 |
| entil | dunno what the ads say now but it was told to be beta back then | 07:36 |
| entil | that might ward some of the usual "jonnes" off :/ | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | and for some reason the OHs are usually not anywhere to be seen, at I haven't seen them | 07:36 |
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| Nicd- | when I bought mine the guy took it from behind the counter somewhere | 07:37 |
| entil | but hopefully the marketing bollocks has been upgraded now to say that jolla is the best phone and worth every dime even if you don't invest time in the community ;) | 07:37 |
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| entil | there were some OHs in hakaniemi when I last was there | 07:37 |
| faenil | morning people! | 07:38 |
| SK_work | hi faenil | 07:38 |
| SK_work | faenil: do I need to reply to you on all channels ? :D | 07:38 |
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| Nicd- | entil: since Jolla is now the closest thing you can get to a Finnish phone, they should try to capitalize on that. maybe a "karjala takaisin" or "1939-1945" OH? :D | 07:40 |
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| entil | :D | 07:40 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: ping... is now decent hours? | 07:42 |
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| Stskeeps | kimmoli: better | 07:43 |
| faenil | SK_work, yep! | 07:43 |
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| entil | Nicd-: http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/u/496/sy8f/484153/normal_1327961643.jpg | 07:44 |
| entil | took a damn while to find that :D | 07:44 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: jake9xx did some digging last night | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:45 |
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| Nicd- | entil: yes! Finnish Redneck OH | 07:47 |
| kimmoli | and promised to "kick" plundstr if it si with systemd | 07:47 |
| entil | Nicd-: that would probably sell :D | 07:48 |
| entil | unfortunately afaik there are cheaper windows phones out now for the rednecks who don't do S4 | 07:48 |
| kimmoli | http://teespring.com/wysfinnish | 07:49 |
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| entil | hah | 07:49 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | sdjayna: store is fixed for me, thanks! | 08:21 |
| sdjayna | TMavica_Jolla: great! apologies for the downtime.. | 08:22 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | sdjayna: may i know whats the problem of it? | 08:24 |
| TMavica_Jolla | some can some cant | 08:24 |
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| sdjayna | TMavica_Jolla: ha, you were right in the end, there was a timeout on our infrastructure closest to you | 08:26 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | u mean my country? | 08:26 |
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| sdjayna | TMavica_Jolla: yeah closest to wherever your physical location is.. | 08:27 |
| TMavica_Jolla | Hong Kong.. | 08:27 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | infrastructure, that close to my city in Hong Kong,u mean? | 08:29 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: anything for me to try to get access to gpio's ? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: well i'm a tiny bit surprised it was exposed to nemo in first place.. | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | is that part of TOH sdk specs? | 09:25 |
| kimmoli | yep | 09:25 |
| kimmoli | chapter 3.2.3 | 09:26 |
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| mfulz | could someone help me how to download an "incompatible" app from amazon store? Is it possible via build.prop changes? | 09:29 |
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| pawky | does anyone know when the alien dalvik will be able to fetch multicast traffic? As far as I know sailfish has no problems fetching it... | 09:44 |
| pawky | mfulz: what's an 'incompatible' app? | 09:44 |
| mfulz | a.e. navigon | 09:44 |
| mfulz | can't download it but it should work | 09:44 |
| mfulz | I've tried to edit my build.prop but seems like the changes are not applied | 09:45 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: that was a rethorical one (question yesterday), you guys must not be sane... with sailfish having android apps in their own windows it is "repairing" one of the major flawes of android (note the "one of") | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, that we're not sane is well understood, but could you elaborate? | 09:46 |
| pawky | mfulz: NAVIGON system check? | 09:46 |
| mfulz | no | 09:46 |
| mfulz | navigon europe | 09:47 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: if you now remove the stupid bottom bar in some way you are king of the hill^^ | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: hover with your hand over the android app and slide to left? :P | 09:47 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: putting each running android app in an own window is insane... | 09:47 |
| pawky | mfulz: cannot find that one in play store... | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: no it's not | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | it's a great feature and I'm looking forward to it | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i'm not an ux person, but the android task switcher annoyed me like hell | 09:48 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: yeah something like android apps need an twinker to close^^ | 09:48 |
| mfulz | yep because jolla is incompatible it's not listed :) | 09:48 |
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| mfulz | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navigon.navigator_checkout_eu40&hl=de | 09:49 |
| pawky | mfulz: download using android emulator on pc, then copy the .apk? | 09:49 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: that task switcher is one of the reasons why I don't like android, I have a tablet and I never know if an app in the taskswitcher is running or not, so most of the time I end up closing all | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: okay, let's get to the core of my problem.. i'm not sure if you're looking forward to the feature, or not ;) | 09:50 |
| entil | android is abhorrent | 09:50 |
| mfulz | yep looks I'll have to do that | 09:50 |
| pawky | mfulz: though, i cannot find it on my samsung note either... | 09:51 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: it is completely sane, it is insane to repair something a billion$ company is not able to fix... | 09:51 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I don't, it is android and it has to behave like android | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: I don't understand you. it's better for the Sailfish users so of course it's sane to do it | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: ah | 09:52 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: people are used to it and we have several things now Jolla listening to some insane guys... | 09:52 |
| chem|st | like the date on lock-screen thing | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | but people should be used to the swipe-to-minimize gesture on Sailfish | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | it makes no sense to have two different gestures | 09:52 |
| chem|st | the solution is awesome but I'd like to have the delay tuneable | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | also.. i'm not a UX guy | 09:53 |
| entil | would be nice if jolla didn't implement the android task list at all | 09:53 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: I know you are not.... | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | if i simply had the android task list represented in covers, i'd be gloriously happy, as a user | 09:53 |
| chem|st | but you have enough imagination don't you? | 09:53 |
| pawky | mfulz: hmmm... i remember there is a file you can change that tells what your phone is... | 09:53 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: it is the "don't change something that is not wrong on your soil" | 09:54 |
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| pawky | mfulz: maybe opuk remembers... we played with it for some secure id softy.. | 09:54 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: anyways, who is to talk about the backup app? | 09:54 |
| mfulz | yep it should be /opt/alien/system/build.prop | 09:55 |
| mfulz | but seems not to work | 09:55 |
| AL13N_work | who should i talk to about PBAB? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: hmm maybe a fruitful talk with deztructor | 09:56 |
| chem|st | or is it foss? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | app isn't, framework is.. afaik | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | app just calls the framework from recollection | 09:58 |
| chem|st | for a git it takes way to long to do a second backup without much changed | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | right, you need to talk to deztructor then | 09:58 |
| pawky | mfulz: i believe you need to reboot after fiddling with that one.. | 09:58 |
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| mfulz | I did :( | 10:00 |
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| pawky | mfulz: hmm... maybe you need to create a new google account, it does cache stuff.. | 10:01 |
| pawky | mfulz: new/separate... | 10:01 |
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| deztructor | chem|st: too long for a several reasons :) - Gallery: just yet not optimized, - Accounts: some internal logic of sync frameworkk needs timeout, so it will take always >20s until logic will be changed; -People - just uses vcardconverter, there is a way to optimize but vcardconverter should be changed... | 10:02 |
| chem|st | deztructor: thanks, a "not yet optimized" is exactly what I see, the versioning seems to work in some way, as it does not grow much right?! | 10:03 |
| deztructor | what is coming in later updates: optimization for gallery and maybe separation to Pictures and Videos; parallel backup for different units; optimization for Pictures and Videos | 10:03 |
| mfulz | it's for the amazon app store | 10:03 |
| deztructor | chem|st: versioning works | 10:03 |
| deztructor | chem|st: also it will be based on submodules -> way to manage data for different units separately. Work is going on in separate branch in deztructor/the-vault @ github | 10:04 |
| chem|st | to parllelize? | 10:04 |
| deztructor | and it will be "portable": there will be shell (bash) scripts inside repo, allowing to get data correctly (git clone + run script to get binary data) | 10:05 |
| deztructor | to paralelize and manage separately, it will be easier | 10:05 |
| mfulz | it just seems like the build.prop is not loaded inside android | 10:06 |
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| deztructor | and also submodules allows to perform remote sync selectively | 10:06 |
| chem|st | a developer-feature would be nice, git static content of the device | 10:06 |
| mfulz | I'll still have the old one even if I've edited it | 10:06 |
| chem|st | ah, preparation for a suite I guess | 10:07 |
| deztructor | chem|st: can you describe more what do you mean for "static content of the device"? | 10:07 |
| chem|st | like settings, ini, qml, systemd scripts | 10:08 |
| deztructor | chem|st: anybody can add own unit script and register it | 10:08 |
| deztructor | the-vault is open and api is available | 10:08 |
| chem|st | I currently pull / | 10:08 |
| mfulz | ah there is another build.prop under /system | 10:09 |
| chem|st | deztructor: ok, I will probaly beheaded if I do that before a CSSU-stable release^^ | 10:10 |
| chem|st | deztructor: thanks for your time, gtg back to work | 10:11 |
| pawky | mfulz: :-) | 10:11 |
| deztructor | :) | 10:11 |
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| tango_ | I don't suppose there will be any chance ever of having X11 forwarding on the jolla, right? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | well | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | you can attempt to build xwayland for it | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | but we removed all x libraries | 10:32 |
| Nicd- | wouldn't it make more sense to forward the entire GUI anyway? not just an app like with X | 10:33 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: depends on what you want to do | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | tbh i more believe in stuff like http://guac-dev.org/ today | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | as I understand it X forwarding is horribly slow nayway | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | anyway* | 10:34 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: if you're not on a LAN, yeah, the latency can be bothersome | 10:34 |
| tango_ | unless you use stuff like nx | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | I found RDP was the fastest | 10:38 |
| kimmoli_sailing | RDP to jolla - want | 10:39 |
| pp | spice is also pretty good | 10:39 |
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| pp | I'd guess RH is putting effort into making spice & wayland work together | 10:40 |
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| Azog | is it possible to avoid powersave in alien-dalvik? | 10:57 |
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| pawky | mfulz: did it work? | 11:03 |
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| mfulz | nope :( | 11:06 |
| mfulz | trying emulator now | 11:06 |
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| Aard | if you subscribed to the connectivity hotfix you should start getting update notifications about now | 11:18 |
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| pp | lessee | 11:20 |
| gabriel9 | is there a way to change network name on home screen | 11:21 |
| gabriel9 | in my case it shows code number | 11:22 |
| Aard | gabriel9: what's your operator? | 11:23 |
| xfade_ | gabriel9: which number and which network is it supposed to be? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | and i hope that's not an n950/n9 | 11:23 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: I hope it _is_ an n9 :p | 11:24 |
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| gabriel9 | mtel | 11:28 |
| gabriel9 | network | 11:28 |
| gabriel9 | bosnia and hercegovina | 11:28 |
| xfade_ | code? | 11:28 |
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| gabriel9 | 21805 | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | btw, i know it's a known issue, but the gps reception with 4g has degraded quite badly compared to 3g... even compared to the n9 without a sim card | 11:32 |
| xfade_ | wikipedia says: 218 05 m:tel | 11:32 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 11:32 |
| gabriel9 | mtel | 11:33 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 11:33 |
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| gabriel9 | or assholes thieves | 11:33 |
| Teme | gabriel9: you are from Banja Luka IIRC? | 11:34 |
| Teme | there is 4g coverage? | 11:34 |
| pp | still seems to be syncing, or my opt-in failed :-) | 11:34 |
| gabriel9 | yes from Banja Luka | 11:35 |
| gabriel9 | 4g is dream here :D | 11:35 |
| gabriel9 | sometimes | 11:36 |
| gabriel9 | i dont know i newer tried or thinked 4g | 11:36 |
| Teme | ok nvm, it was ggabriel who said about the gps + 4g issue.. confused the nicknames | 11:36 |
| gabriel9 | ok :) | 11:37 |
| Teme | bc i would be surprised, B&H with 4g :D | 11:37 |
| gabriel9 | yea | 11:37 |
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| pp | changelog says 4g & agps is limited, I think | 11:38 |
| gabriel9 | http://opensignal.com/networks/%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B8-%D1%85%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0/mtel-%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82 | 11:38 |
| Teme | but at least in Sarajevo, broadband internet is good, mobile networks are good in my experience | 11:38 |
| Teme | surprisingly functional | 11:38 |
| gabriel9 | only in magor cities | 11:39 |
| Teme | which i can't say for example about the gas supply that was cut out a while back :) | 11:39 |
| gabriel9 | they did not pay bills :/ | 11:39 |
| xfade_ | pp what is your jolla account name? | 11:40 |
| amccarthy | Update 7 has degraded GPS fix times on 4G. It will be improved in update 8. | 11:40 |
| pp | pekkap | 11:40 |
| Bysmyyr | amccarthy: I read somewhere that it cannot use agps with 4G | 11:41 |
| xfade_ | pp: don't have you in the list at least. | 11:41 |
| gabriel9 | Teme: i newer go to Sarajevo | 11:41 |
| gabriel9 | in fact, i was only once in there driving by | 11:42 |
| amccarthy | Bysmyyr: That is still the case, cannot use SUPL. Though improvements have been made. | 11:42 |
| pp | Sent out the mail on 09 jun 16:15:55, interesting | 11:42 |
| xfade_ | pp: you can pm me the email if you like | 11:44 |
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| mfulz | fuck | 11:49 |
| mfulz | i killed my jolla somehow | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | define 'dead' | 11:49 |
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| mfulz | could it be that it is not booting anymore when the build.prop is changed? | 11:49 |
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| HtheB | I remember somewhere that a Jolla employee said that they will also produce OH keyboards | 11:50 |
| pawky | kimmoli_sailing_: not to my knowledge... | 11:50 |
| HtheB | but I cant find it anymore where I've read that | 11:50 |
| pawky | mfulz: not to my knowledge | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | mfulz: if you mod /system/build.prop things may blow up in spetacular ways | 11:50 |
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| pawky | Stskeeps: why? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | mfulz: you can still factory reset | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | pawky: android HW adaptation still uses it | 11:51 |
| mfulz | ah that's why I edited system/build.prop :) | 11:51 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: they haven't said that | 11:51 |
| mfulz | how can I reset it? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 11:51 |
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| HtheB | Nicd-: Yes they did :P | 11:52 |
| HtheB | that they will concider it | 11:52 |
| HtheB | if there is enough interest for it | 11:52 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: yes, consider | 11:52 |
| Nicd- | that does not mean they will actually decide to do it | 11:52 |
| HtheB | no, but considering is still not 0% :p | 11:53 |
| HtheB | anyway, I can't find that "consider" message anymore | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | it doesn't matter if it's not 0 %. what matters is that it's not 100 % | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | so it's useless to get your hopes up | 11:53 |
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| HtheB | I always look on the bright side | 11:54 |
| HtheB | if it's not 0%, then there is hope ;) | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | frankly I don't believe they'll make one ever unless in connection with the next phone next year | 11:54 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | bootloop, noticed that if battery was empty enough (~17% in my case) phone did start when inserting battery, and i was not able to enter recoveryconsole over usb. only after using battery with more capacity, i was able to start it with voldown.powerkey combo... | 11:54 |
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| HtheB | Nicd-: any idea where they said about the keyboard? | 11:57 |
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| Nicd- | they have talked about it many times, usually just saying "it's possible" | 11:57 |
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| HtheB | hmm | 11:58 |
| HtheB | alright :) thanks | 11:59 |
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| mfulz | Stskeeps: Can I mount somehow the root to edit /system/build.prop instead of factory reset wehen Im in the shell? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | mkdir /mnt; mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt .. cd /mnt/@/ | 12:04 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: o/ hi | 12:04 |
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| HtheB | want some RedBull? :) | 12:04 |
| mfulz | ah 28 that was the missing part for me :) | 12:04 |
| mfulz | thanks | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | moo HtheB | 12:04 |
| Nicd- | hmm... I should probably think of a lock code | 12:04 |
| HtheB | I guess that is a yes :D | 12:05 |
| HtheB | So with the new version of Sailfish, we are able to add "shortcuts" on the lockscreen | 12:05 |
| HtheB | but the ONE thing I want on the shortcut list, can't be done :( | 12:05 |
| HtheB | at least, not with GUI, but maybe I can achieve it within the terminal | 12:06 |
| HtheB | So, I hope someone can help me | 12:06 |
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| mfulz | and what is the home partition? | 12:06 |
| mfulz | I've backed up the build.prop there | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | mfulz: /@home/ | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | in /mnt | 12:06 |
| mfulz | greta | 12:07 |
| mfulz | great* | 12:07 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: any idea how I can achieve to add something to the shortcut list on the lockscreen? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | not aware | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | i've been buried in other things, so i am not really into update7 things.. | 12:08 |
| mfulz | Stskeeps: Thanks a lot back and running :D | 12:09 |
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| mdxth | /lastlog htheb | 12:12 |
| mdxth | ups | 12:12 |
| mdxth | HtheB, are you adding something that does not go to settings -> system -> shortcuts? | 12:12 |
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| HtheB | mdxth: yeah | 12:21 |
| HtheB | I want to add "Connect to Internet" button | 12:23 |
| HtheB | the one that you can find within the Pulley menu in the "WLAN" section | 12:23 |
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| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/8877/manually-select-internet-connection-legacy-option/ | 12:23 |
| mdxth | I see, that would be nice | 12:24 |
| HtheB | any idea what "command" we have to use? | 12:24 |
| HtheB | and which file to edit? | 12:24 |
| mdxth | no :( | 12:25 |
| kimmoli | loudspeaker contact issues too? (not just me) https://twitter.com/zlatkoe/status/476991038314139648 | 12:25 |
| mdxth | just got Jolla yesterday :) | 12:25 |
| HtheB | mdxth: welcome on board! :) | 12:25 |
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| mdxth | thanks | 12:26 |
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| Azog | is it possible to download some of the sailfish-rpms to try a downgrade of some packages? | 12:29 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | 1.0718 released | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | TMavica_Jolla: do you mean 1.0.7.16? | 12:31 |
| HtheB | no, hotfix 18 | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | the connman hotfix? | 12:32 |
| TMavica_Jolla | hotfix 1.0.7.18 | 12:32 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1429291#post1429291 | 12:32 |
| TMavica_Jolla | yes | 12:32 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i got a notice | 12:32 |
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| special | Azog: why? | 12:33 |
| gabriel9 | notice in Jolla store app or global update? | 12:33 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | global | 12:36 |
| Azog | special: because https://together.jolla.com/question/45966/bug-android-apps-lose-gps-fix-when-in-background-since-107/ | 12:37 |
| special | Azog: I think it's a known problem. It would be unwise to try downgrading packages, even if you can find rpms | 12:38 |
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| Azog | special: with the normal package system one should always be able to return to the newer version | 12:41 |
| netzvieh_ | yay random reboot with charging sign on the screen (nowhere near a charging cable) | 12:42 |
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| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1429299 I hope anyone can help me about this | 12:42 |
| netzvieh_ | 0xC7F5477F, whatever that means | 12:44 |
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| xfade_ | HtheB: some app which uses Qt Bearer selection? | 12:45 |
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| gabriel9 | i just got hotfix update | 12:48 |
| kimmoli | HtheB: +1 to that in tmo | 12:48 |
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| gabriel9 | and finaly i connected without problems on wlan | 12:48 |
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| gabriel9 | finally* | 12:50 |
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| pp | no regressions here, but no improvements either :-) (I suppose eduroam through UI isn't even supposed to work yet) | 12:54 |
| HtheB | xfade_: what exactly do you mean? | 12:54 |
| sledges | gabriel9: great! | 12:56 |
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| xfade_ | HtheB: if you want to code a simple app to do it ;) | 12:57 |
| HtheB | you mean to create a whole 'app' that executes a line of code? | 12:58 |
| HtheB | Then the next question is: what is the command to get that window from the pulley menu? :p | 12:58 |
| gabriel9 | anyone have simple example with oAuth and qml? | 12:58 |
| gabriel9 | thinking to start new app for sailfish | 12:59 |
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| gabriel9 | i will ask this on #sailfish :) | 12:59 |
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| HtheB | kimmoli: do you know by any chance how to invoke the wlan screen? | 13:31 |
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| kimmoli | nope | 13:35 |
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| Wnt | HtheB: you can probably check out what the settings application does in the wlan "connect to internet" action from the qml source code | 13:45 |
| Wnt | then create a small app that does just that when launching and bind it to the lockscreen pulley menu | 13:45 |
| HtheB | Wnt: where can I find the source? | 13:46 |
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| chem|st | deztructor: I have no idea what jsut happened, sdcard mounted fine but the backup tool denies copying to it, remounting it did work | 13:48 |
| chem|st | deztructor: where will the error be logged? | 13:48 |
| chem|st | I rebooted, backuped, tried to copy | 13:49 |
| chem|st | I mount another subvolume from the sdcard -> https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 13:50 |
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| chem|st | I unmounted everything and mounted the default subvolume only | 13:50 |
| chem|st | it was properly rw... could touch files and play mp3... | 13:51 |
| Wnt | HtheB: see the /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/networking/mainpage.qml file on your device | 13:52 |
| HtheB | Wnt: thanks! | 13:52 |
| * HtheB goes quickly to check the file | 13:53 | |
| Wnt | or it might be some other file in /usr/share/jolla-settings | 13:53 |
| HtheB | :D | 13:53 |
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| Wnt | no it's in that file: PullDownMenu MenuItem onClicked: connectionSelector.openConnection() | 13:55 |
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| Wnt | and in the end of the file there is a DBusInterface | 13:55 |
| Wnt | that opens the lipstick ConnectionSelector | 13:55 |
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| HtheB | hmmm | 13:57 |
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| HtheB | so actually simply copying that text, and create a .desktop file and paste it, should work? | 13:57 |
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| deztructor | chem|st: all messages are going to journal. But default logging level is low. If you easily observe the issue you can run (under devel-su -p): # CUTES_DEBUG=1 jolla-settings | 13:58 |
| SK_work | HtheB: not exactly, you need to invoke it through dbus | 13:58 |
| Wnt | HtheB: I don't think it's that simple | 13:58 |
| SK_work | HtheB: dbus-call for example | 13:58 |
| SK_work | google how dbus-call works | 13:58 |
| Wnt | but you could do the dbus call from command line instead of doing a qml application | 13:58 |
| HtheB | Wnt: from command line should work better i think | 13:59 |
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| Wnt | HtheB: the command line version is somethin like: "dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.jolla.lipstick.ConnectionSelector /<something here, I don't know what> com.jolla.lipstick.ConnectionSelectorIf.openConnection string:wlan" | 14:02 |
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| Wnt | I don't know much about dbus calls | 14:03 |
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| SK_work | Wnt: it's just "/" | 14:05 |
| SK_work | nothing behind the / | 14:05 |
| SK_work | bus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.jolla.lipstick.ConnectionSelector / com.jolla.lipstick.ConnectionSelectorIf.openConnection string:wlan | 14:05 |
| SK_work | dbus | 14:05 |
| HtheB | lets try :D | 14:05 |
| Wnt | SK_work: oh cool, great | 14:05 |
| Wnt | seems to work | 14:05 |
| Wnt | and that is something one can put in to a desktop file and then add to the lockscreen menu | 14:07 |
| HtheB | AWESOME! | 14:07 |
| HtheB | the dbus does work indeed | 14:07 |
| HtheB | let me quickly make some desktop file and see if I can help more people who like my ideas | 14:08 |
| special | can someone run 'rpm -q telepathy-gabble' on an update7 device and tell me what it says? | 14:08 |
| roboro | special: telepathy-gabble-0.18.1+git2-1.4.9.armv7hl | 14:09 |
| special | thanks | 14:09 |
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| special | now I don't have to get out of my comfy chair :> | 14:09 |
| roboro | :) | 14:09 |
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| gexc | hmm... mobile data toggle greyed out after the hotfix | 14:10 |
| ballock | hmmm... mobile data toggle greyed out without the hotfix | 14:11 |
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| gexc | solved by radio switch app | 14:11 |
| gexc | LOL | 14:11 |
| ballock | what's the deal with "ICASA approved" logo? | 14:12 |
| HtheB | anyone know where the .desktop files are located at? | 14:12 |
| Wnt | this is the desktop file I used: http://paste.kde.org/pz7ummi2p | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: sometimes you can do electronic versions of certifications | 14:12 |
| Wnt | desktop files are at /usr/share/applications | 14:12 |
| ballock | why do we need a logo there that says it's approved for South Africa? | 14:12 |
| HtheB | tnx Wnt | 14:13 |
| ballock | like... the image is signed? | 14:13 |
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| louisdk | Yay. After update 10.5.7.16 IMAP sync start working again :) | 14:32 |
| Turski | oh, did you just come back ten years from future? | 14:33 |
| Turski | ;) | 14:33 |
| louisdk | Turski, I mean 1.0.7.16 ;) | 14:34 |
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| louisdk | However I don't get 4G even trough it's supported in my area (looked at teleprovider chart) and I can select "Prefer 4G" in settings. | 14:36 |
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| Turski | louisdk: and do you have 4G data plan? | 14:37 |
| HtheB | Wnt: so it works... but only for 1 time | 14:38 |
| HtheB | at least, you have to wait for like 10 seconds before trying it again | 14:39 |
| TMavica | HtheB waiting yours desktop file with icon, thanks! | 14:39 |
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| HtheB | TMavica: no prob :D | 14:40 |
| HtheB | but for now, I have to solve one problem | 14:40 |
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| HtheB | SK_work: any idea why its causing that? | 14:42 |
| HtheB | what* | 14:42 |
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| TMavica | HtheB will you put it in TMO? | 14:43 |
| HtheB | TMavica: on open repos | 14:43 |
| TMavica | ok | 14:44 |
| TMavica | i go sleep now, and go watch world cup | 14:44 |
| HtheB | watch WC while sleeping? ... | 14:44 |
| HtheB | :D | 14:44 |
| TMavica | after sleep.. | 14:44 |
| HtheB | then you're not going to sleep now :P | 14:44 |
| HtheB | hehe | 14:44 |
| TMavica | it kick off at 4:00am for me..now is 22:45pm, and i need work tomorrow | 14:45 |
| TMavica | so i need sleep now | 14:45 |
| HtheB | ok ok :D | 14:45 |
| HtheB | good night ^^ | 14:45 |
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| Wnt | HtheB: I added it to the lock screen pulley menu too and I have no problems launching the selection screen over and over again | 14:46 |
| HtheB | I havent tried that out though | 14:48 |
| HtheB | hang on | 14:49 |
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| HtheB | Wnt: same result | 14:49 |
| HtheB | what is your desktop file contain?! | 14:49 |
| HtheB | Wnt: this is how my .desktop file looks like | 14:49 |
| HtheB | http://pastebin.com/EMk3mZSr | 14:50 |
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| HtheB | I cant recall the wlan select screen before waiting like 10 seconds :( | 14:57 |
| Wnt | HtheB: this is the file I created http://paste.kde.org/pz7ummi2p maybe the X-Nemo-Application-Type=no-invoker has something to do with it? | 14:57 |
| HtheB | Wnt: that did the trick! | 14:59 |
| chem|st | deztructor: ah bug on your side! backup is trying to copy to /data/media (where I mount a subvolume from my sdcard) | 15:00 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | it propably took time to create coredump or something >> HtheB | 15:01 |
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| HtheB | kimmoli_sailing_: no, it was something that I needed to add to the desktop entry | 15:02 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | i mean why it refused to start immediately again | 15:03 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | or just forget me | 15:03 |
| chem|st | deztructor: in order of appearance I have the mmcblk1 mounted to /data/media then the fused /data/media and the last is the mount-sd script where mmcblk1 gets mounted to /media/sdcard/($UUID) | 15:03 |
| chem|st | as I need to mount that before aliendalvik does anything... | 15:05 |
| deztructor | chem|st: is it a bug? ;) there was no use case for sailfish for the way you are using (with subvolumes), so this is use some new use case | 15:07 |
| deztructor | brr, /use some/some/ | 15:07 |
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| deztructor | anyway, I will take your observation into account | 15:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | Aard, Stskeeps with the connman hotfix Android gets internet access again over wifi! Finally :D | 15:09 |
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| chem|st | deztructor: would be nice if you take into consideration that there might be other mounts than /media/sdcard's I can live with it for now but I need to make people aware of it... | 15:11 |
| deztructor | chem|st: this is not about other mounts :p no hardcoding, there is no yet any choose between different removable drives, so jolla-vault takes the biggest one | 15:14 |
| Morpog_PC | Aard, Stskeeps damn, I was too fast, it still doesn't work over wifi :( | 15:14 |
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| Morpog_PC | The only difference is that it now works when Mobile date and WLAN is on. If just wlan is on, then it doesn't work anymore | 15:17 |
| deztructor | chem|st: and removable drives list is functionality reused from qt, and this list contains quite many interesting mounts... this list is not useful for ordinary user | 15:17 |
| chem|st | deztructor: ah ok, well all sizes are the same as it is only subvolumes, so it takes the biggest+the 1st mount | 15:19 |
| chem|st | lmc if it works when I remount the /data/media | 15:20 |
| chem|st | yeah that would work... | 15:21 |
| SK_work | HtheB: it seems that the dbus interface is waiting a long time | 15:22 |
| chem|st | Aard: do I get anything burning when I delay aliendalvik as long as mount-sd is not mounted yet? | 15:22 |
| SK_work | I wonder why | 15:22 |
| deztructor | chem|st: the problem is that removable media detection is not so well defined area and a lot of misc stuff gets into this list, it is hard to separate 'em | 15:23 |
| deztructor | of course, it is possible to filter out | 15:23 |
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| chem|st | deztructor: I understand | 15:23 |
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| chem|st | if it is possible to filter for the adequate /media/sdcard/($UUID) volume this would be nice | 15:24 |
| chem|st | also the error msg could actually tell something useful instead of oops | 15:24 |
| * Morpog_PC thinks it's strange that so less people are affected by that wlan bug on alien-dalvik | 15:24 | |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: lmc | 15:25 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: what should I try? | 15:25 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, i got it since update5 | 15:25 |
| Morpog_PC | disable mobile data | 15:25 |
| Morpog_PC | enable wlan | 15:25 |
| Aard | chem|st: shouldn't break things (apart from first alien app coming up slower) | 15:25 |
| Morpog_PC | open yandex store | 15:25 |
| chem|st | I dont have yandex | 15:26 |
| Morpog_PC | some other app that uses internet | 15:26 |
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| Morpog_PC | any other app store? | 15:26 |
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| chem|st | Aard: I will still autostart but I will make the service require mount-sd@mmcblk1.service being there | 15:26 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, some android apps work for me, but most just don't see the network | 15:27 |
| chem|st | hmm well that one exits 0 so something else could be a better choice | 15:27 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_PC: I try the playstore | 15:28 |
| chem|st | wlan only right?! | 15:28 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 15:28 |
| Morpog_PC | and ONLY wlan | 15:28 |
| chem|st | works | 15:28 |
| chem|st | and I do not have the hotfix yet... | 15:28 |
| chem|st | I still have no working jolla-store! | 15:28 |
| Morpog_PC | hmm, you got firefox installed? | 15:29 |
| Morpog_PC | thats one that doesn't work for me | 15:29 |
| chem|st | osmand someone said right? | 15:29 |
| Morpog_PC | skype works for me for example | 15:30 |
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| chem|st | nope osmand works | 15:30 |
| chem|st | ah wait osmand was that not being able to get GPS | 15:31 |
| * Morpog_PC prepares to reinstall alien-dalvik | 15:31 | |
| chem|st | catching fix... | 15:31 |
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| chem|st | for some reason I do not see any maps... | 15:32 |
| Morpog_PC | could be my bug | 15:33 |
| Morpog_PC | or are those offline maps? | 15:34 |
| faenil | special, my gtalk chat is unusable since update7, I *always* find it disconnected when I need it | 15:34 |
| special | does the account go to "not signed in", or is it just not staying connect to gtalk? | 15:34 |
| special | also, what's rpm -q telepathy-mission-control | 15:35 |
| special | just to make sure I am not screwing up my mental timeline | 15:36 |
| louisdk | Turski: Good idea. I'll check. | 15:36 |
| faenil | special, account is signed in | 15:36 |
| chem|st | Aard: it seems I am doing something wrong... android_storage is not readable nor writeable by android | 15:36 |
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| faenil | special, telepathy 5.15+git4-1.4.1 | 15:37 |
| special | faenil: and are you on update7, or the connman hotfix? | 15:37 |
| faenil | special, connman | 15:37 |
| faenil | but I had the issue before as well | 15:37 |
| faenil | it's most likely not due to connman fix | 15:37 |
| louisdk | Turski, my provider states on their website that all costumers with newer sim cards (2011 and later) do have 4g, so I should have 4g. hmmm. | 15:38 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: offline maps | 15:38 |
| chem|st | search and online stuff works | 15:38 |
| Morpog_PC | ok | 15:38 |
| special | ok. As far as I can recall, nothing directly relevant changed between update5 and update7, except for changes to connectivity in general | 15:38 |
| Morpog_PC | thx for trying, seems to be a problem on my device then | 15:38 |
| special | journal could show something interesting about when and why it's disconnecting | 15:38 |
| special | but there are also two known issues of relevance, both of which are fixed for update8: | 15:38 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: I had to uninstall all android once, as nothing was able to connect to the internets | 15:39 |
| special | 1) telepathy-gabble crashes sometimes when it disconnects, although it should be restarted soon after (except maybe if the device is suspended) | 15:39 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, sounds a bit like my problem | 15:39 |
| chem|st | just reinstalling alien did not help, I had to remove all of it | 15:39 |
| Morpog_PC | by all you mean? | 15:40 |
| special | 2) telepathy-mission-control was patched to change how it reacts to connman state changes, which may or may not help | 15:40 |
| special | faenil: is it your only XMPP account? | 15:41 |
| chem|st | Aard: I have like 5 different UIDs and group is sdcard_rw in the mount at /data/media | 15:42 |
| faenil | special, only active one, yes | 15:42 |
| faenil | fb chat is disabled | 15:42 |
| special | hmm | 15:43 |
| special | but you have to reconnect it manually. hm. | 15:43 |
| faenil | yep | 15:44 |
| special | mc-tool list; mc-tool show gabble/jabber/[name of account] does say it's set to auto-connect, yes? | 15:44 |
| special | there's no reason it wouldn't, but just to be sure | 15:44 |
| faenil | special, Connect: automatically | 15:44 |
| special | interesting | 15:45 |
| faenil | it happened in update5 as well, but since update7 it happens quite more often as far as I can tell | 15:45 |
| special | I haven't seen problems on my update7 device | 15:45 |
| faenil | almost every time I need it I find it offline :/ | 15:45 |
| special | no connman, but it also has another XMPP account configured | 15:46 |
| special | if you're feeling experimental you could try the new telepathy-mission-control and/or telepathy-gabble and see if they help | 15:46 |
| special | I can send RPMs | 15:47 |
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| special | well, they should be on mer obs too | 15:47 |
| faenil | special, ok, I'll try that, but I'd like to make sure why it's not working here, before :) | 15:48 |
| faenil | Jun 12 17:29:46 Jolla mission-control-5[995]: GLIB CRITICAL ** mcd - _mcd_channel_set_status: assertion `channel->priv->status != MCD_CHANNEL_STATUS_FAILED' failed | 15:48 |
| Morpog_PC | interesting, I thought uninstalling alien-dalvik wipes all android stuff, but it seems all android apps are still installed. | 15:48 |
| faenil | that's the only thing I find in log in the last hour (it only covers the last hour) | 15:48 |
| special | http://repo.merproject.org/obs//nemo:/devel:/mw/latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/telepathy-gabble-0.18.3-8.1.Nemo.armv7hl.rpm | 15:48 |
| special | http://repo.merproject.org/obs//nemo:/devel:/mw/latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/telepathy-mission-control-5.15.0+git8-13.1.Nemo.armv7hl.rpm | 15:48 |
| special | the assert is harmless, there's an upstream bug about it, unsolved | 15:49 |
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| faenil | let's turn on persistent logging | 15:50 |
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| faenil | btw journal is sooooo verbose :) it's full of every kind of debug | 15:50 |
| special | I think the kernel debugs really need to be tuned down a bit. | 15:51 |
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| faenil | yep.. | 15:53 |
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| chem|st | Aard: the owner changed... I updated tjc and my files, would appreciate another comment if I do something bad ;) | 16:10 |
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| chem|st | deztructor: I updated the service to start AFTER mount-sd so the first mount is the user-part of the sd, now it works | 16:10 |
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| faenil | special, another thing, I noticed that a few times the message ringtone doesn't play till the end | 16:22 |
| faenil | it only plays something like 0.2secs | 16:22 |
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| special | faenil: mmm | 16:34 |
| special | it doesn't stop to play again, or play some other tone? it just stops? | 16:34 |
| faenil | just stops | 16:36 |
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| special | weird. | 16:37 |
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| special | if it's when messages isn't in foreground, the notifications system might be doing something strange to it | 16:38 |
| special | or it could be ngf or pulseaudio | 16:38 |
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| faenil | special, no, so far it only happened when it *was* in foreground | 16:40 |
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| faenil | (as far as I can tell, Jolla's speaker is so crappy I wouldn't know if it happens when it's in background as well) | 16:40 |
| Scelt | faenil: if you have the conversation open, message tone is only a short click? | 16:41 |
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| faenil | Scelt, nope, the ringtone is the one which should play when it's in background | 16:41 |
| faenil | but it plays with the length of the foreground click, | 16:41 |
| faenil | something like that xD | 16:41 |
| special | that would make no sense at all | 16:41 |
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| faenil | special, agree | 16:42 |
| Scelt | oh, okay. I thought you said it only happened when messages was in foreground | 16:42 |
| faenil | Scelt, yes, I said that | 16:42 |
| special | ngf-client 'play sms' 'play chat' 'play sms_fg' and 'play chat_fg' if you want to play with it | 16:42 |
| faenil | special, I'll pay more attention to the issue and keep you posted | 16:42 |
| special | for the most part I just through any audio related bugs at jusa and run away ;) | 16:43 |
| faenil | ok :) | 16:44 |
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| special | faenil: hmm, my update7 phone didn't reconnect to an XMPP account after I got home. Interesting. | 16:56 |
| faenil | special, \o/ | 16:57 |
| special | no, not \o/ :< | 16:57 |
| faenil | eheh | 16:57 |
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| faenil | special, it just did it again! (ringtone bug) | 16:57 |
| faenil | the screen was ON | 16:57 |
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| faenil | and it played the background ringtone (cut) instead of the BLIP | 16:58 |
| faenil | again! | 16:58 |
| special | the screen was on, but was that conversation active? | 16:58 |
| faenil | nope | 16:58 |
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| faenil | it was in the conv list | 16:59 |
| special | hmm | 16:59 |
| special | I might know what that is | 16:59 |
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| special | looks like there is a bug. It happens only when the conversation list is active. | 17:00 |
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| special | for me it just doesn't play the tone maybe 6/10 times | 17:00 |
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| special | the IM connecting bug is real as well, but the first question is still whether the new mc and gabble fixes it | 17:05 |
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| faenil | special, ok now I just sent an sms while I was receiving one | 17:11 |
| faenil | and the sent sms appears as empty!" | 17:11 |
| faenil | (received sms in the same conv I was sending it | 17:11 |
| faenil | it seems I'm not being very lucky with this update :( | 17:12 |
| special | so far none of this is tied to update6/7 | 17:12 |
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| special | crap, it's 7pm, why haven't I started cooking | 17:15 |
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| pdanek1 | SwiftKey on Jolla! | 17:46 |
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| coderus | :D | 17:52 |
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| louisdk | According to data plan and connection area chart I should have 4G. The phone is updated to 10.7.16 and is set to prefer 4G, however I only get 3G. Any way to debug this? | 18:10 |
| ar | lusikka: check your carrier 4G frequencies and jolla supported 4G frequencies | 18:11 |
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| netzvieh | hmm is there any way to stop jolla from going to sleep? | 18:13 |
| louisdk | netzvieh, I know you want new features, but developers also need to sleep sometimes ;) | 18:14 |
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| netzvieh | louisdk: :P well as long as they are healthy and deliver features (mail client *cough*) I don't care how much they sleep :P | 18:15 |
| netzvieh | but I really want to know if that messed up the tracker | 18:16 |
| netzvieh | and flux, I already have an nfs share with my music here in my home network, and I just wanted to get it working on my jolla too :D | 18:18 |
| louisdk | netzvieh, do you mean that you don't hsave the screen to go black when the phone becomes inactive? :) | 18:18 |
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| netzvieh | louisdk: I don't care if the screen goes black, as long as the cpu is awake. I think tracker should be able to index 54k files in 6hrs :D (and accessing the share should practically hang the shell after a few hours) | 18:21 |
| netzvieh | i think probably the device went sleeping even though tracker was running, what slowed down the mining | 18:22 |
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| coderus | Please beta-test new Mitakuuluu build in one hour: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kyo4tzo7298lkkg/AABuPQvW13PucZCv5Unhl6-Va Connection issues should be fixed. | 18:30 |
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| Nc_ | Question: Anyone seen anything noting the max speed on the 4G LTE on the Jolla phones (was playing around with speedtest.net and Proximus LTE) ? | 18:42 |
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| special | faenil: oh, btw | 19:29 |
| faenil | yep? | 19:29 |
| special | based on what I could see from my device, there's a very good chance that some combination of the tp-mission-control update and the connman update will solve that connection bug. Please install the package and let me know if it happens again (and I'll keep an eye on my phone) | 19:29 |
| special | I'm guessing it's related to the case where connman switches between two active networks (cellular and wifi) | 19:30 |
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| faenil | special, I think wifi was off in the last few days, fwiw.. | 19:30 |
| faenil | anyway ok, I'll try and report if I see it again | 19:31 |
| special | could also apply to spotty connectivity | 19:31 |
| flux | netzvieh, I bet the rest of the clients on your network don't have such aggressive power saving measures as jolla :) | 19:31 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, can I test now? | 19:37 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: yes | 19:39 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: i got no replies yet :D | 19:39 |
| mdxth | coderus, I just installed and it seems to work | 19:40 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, is it a fix for the old bug? | 19:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | Because if yes, give me a few hours to be sure if it's fixed | 19:40 |
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| coderus | why? just do some network reconnects / use iron pan to break network coverage :D | 19:41 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, most of my problems seem to be deep sleep related I guess | 19:42 |
| coderus | deep sleep problems are unresolvable | 19:42 |
| Morpog_PC | :( | 19:42 |
| coderus | you should be happy when getting this problems | 19:42 |
| Morpog_PC | well, I have since today new connman | 19:42 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe that makes a difference too | 19:43 |
| coderus | because its actually features, not bugs | 19:43 |
| coderus | and it improves your battery life and etc. :) | 19:43 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: of course it makes no difference :) | 19:43 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, sure, but I think an app should be able to control that and maybe wake device all 5 minutes, with a system heart beat to save power | 19:45 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, do we have any GUI app that allows for unpacking zip archives? | 19:47 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: of course i can add wakeups, but i don't want to do so :) | 19:49 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: mc :) | 19:49 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: it have great gui ever :) | 19:49 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, but isn't that an essential feature of a messenger app? | 19:50 |
| Morpog_PC | to get messages "instant"? :D | 19:50 |
| special | messaging generally won't have to worry about deep sleep | 19:50 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: no | 19:50 |
| special | the device wakes up on network activity | 19:50 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus, mc? | 19:50 |
| special | the case where you might need to worry about it is if you want to send pings to the server, or poll it for anything, or you need to try reconnecting on a timer | 19:50 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: just in case you doing official app you using push services for sleep mode | 19:50 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: using wakeups is bad choice | 19:51 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: Midnight Commander | 19:51 |
| bennypr0fane | anyone else's Jolla crashing when using the browser? | 19:51 |
| Morpog_PC | well, there is no push service on sailfish yet, or is it? | 19:51 |
| Morpog_PC | special, nah it doesn't :D | 19:51 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: there are no :) | 19:51 |
| special | Morpog_PC: doesn't what? | 19:51 |
| Morpog_PC | wakeup on network activity | 19:52 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: i'm using browser in very rare cases, and it never crashed for me | 19:52 |
| special | it does. | 19:52 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: for me neither, but started nowafter Saapunki | 19:52 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: special: i have reconnect every 15 minutes if socket activity dead, so you mean it will wakeup connections? | 19:52 |
| bennypr0fane | not the browser crashed though, but the phone! | 19:52 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: rebooted ot wayland crashed? | 19:53 |
| special | coderus: for that, you'd need a wakeup timer to check every 15 minutes if the socket is dead. | 19:53 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: anyway you should try to collect journal logs and share it | 19:53 |
| Morpog_PC | special, all the missed messages on mitakuuluu makes me disagree :D | 19:53 |
| special | Morpog_PC: the official IM relies on this as well, among many other things | 19:53 |
| coderus | special: protocol doing that for me | 19:53 |
| special | incoming network traffic, wifi or cellular, wakes the device for a short time | 19:54 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: can't tell which one. just gone black, not responding to anyhting. How would I colelct those logs? does require dev mode and command line activity? | 19:54 |
| coderus | it sends ping requests every 15 minutes after last activity. i'm checking if 15minutes + 5 seconds passed and then reconnecting to server | 19:54 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: so, no Jolla logo on crash? | 19:55 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: devmode and terminal | 19:55 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: devel-su | 19:55 |
| * Morpog_PC is off to watch the game! | 19:55 | |
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| coderus | bennypr0fane: journalctl -a > jolla_logfile.txt | 19:55 |
| Morpog_PC | Coderus i will try a bit while watching soccer | 19:55 |
| special | coderus: right, so you need to schedule a wakeup for every >15 minutes to do that check | 19:55 |
| special | because if it's dead, there will be no network activity to wake on | 19:56 |
| special | telepathy wakes every 2.5 minutes to send XMPP pings | 19:56 |
| special | (it sounds like a lot, maybe it is, but it's actually less than it used to be.) | 19:56 |
| coderus | special: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/src/Whatsapp/connection.cpp#L1195 | 19:56 |
| Morpog_PC | that sounds like a good value | 19:56 |
| coderus | special: i'm just doing full reconnect | 19:56 |
| Morpog_PC | 2,5 minutes | 19:56 |
| special | coderus: QTimer doesn't wake the device | 19:57 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: actually, yes, first time it showed Jolla logo and then came back, requesting to enter pin. Now the second crash, no logo, no nothing. both crsahes occured when viewing a page in the browser | 19:57 |
| bennypr0fane | *the same page | 19:57 |
| special | in suspend it won't trigger until something else causes a wakeup | 19:57 |
| special | probably not a huge concern, because something generally will, but | 19:57 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: share page url | 19:57 |
| bennypr0fane | http://www.allboutn9.info/2014/06/tourmaline-high-contrast-ambiances.html | 19:57 |
| coderus | special: what to do then? | 19:59 |
| special | is it causing problems? | 19:59 |
| Morpog_PC | bennypr0fane, that site works fine here in sailfish browser | 19:59 |
| coderus | special: ? | 19:59 |
| bennypr0fane | is fingerterm installed when activating dev mode? | 19:59 |
| special | are you having problems with reconnecting not happening when it should? | 19:59 |
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| Morpog_PC | I would say yes :D | 20:00 |
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| coderus | special: i have no a lot of problems users reported :D | 20:00 |
| special | I don't know about harbour status, but the solution is to use https://github.com/nemomobile/libiphb to schedule wakeup instead of QTimer | 20:01 |
| bennypr0fane | Morpog_PC: it also worked for me one time downloading that zip. other two times, it crashed | 20:01 |
| Bawal | after the latest update my mitakuuluu does not connect or login at all | 20:01 |
| coderus | sometimes i'm fixing really weird parts of code which should make application crashing every time, but it doesnt | 20:01 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: mc is in Jolla store, or Warehouse? | 20:01 |
| coderus | and i dont know why it's working :D | 20:01 |
| coderus | special: my app isnt for harbour :D | 20:01 |
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| bennypr0fane | aren't htere any umlauts in fingerterm? | 20:04 |
| bennypr0fane | I can't authenticate | 20:05 |
| bennypr0fane | I don't know when/where i set my password | 20:05 |
| bennypr0fane | Is it set when enabling SSH access in dev settings? | 20:06 |
| bennypr0fane | or is there another place where it's chosen? | 20:06 |
| bennypr0fane | any preset maybe? | 20:06 |
| mdxth | bennypr0fane, it is in the same place where you enable ssh acces | 20:07 |
| TMavica | coderus testing | 20:07 |
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| bennypr0fane | mdxth: well I just set a password there containing an umlaut รค. now I realized there are no umlauts and changed it, but it won't accept the changed one | 20:08 |
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| bennypr0fane | ah it worked now with a shorter one | 20:09 |
| mdxth | bennypr0fane, umlauts are found in different keyboards in fingerterm. tap settings, scroll the list down and select VKB layout | 20:10 |
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| bennypr0fane | mdxth: thanks! | 20:12 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: enabled the logging now. so If it crashes again, how do i proceed? | 20:12 |
| coderus | special: do you have any examples of lipiphb usage? :D | 20:13 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: command i gave to you just saving your log to file | 20:13 |
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| special | a better question would be if I have any simple examples of libiphb usage | 20:13 |
| coderus | but if your device is actually rebooted, it will be empty | 20:13 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: you mean a log of the crashes should already be in there? | 20:13 |
| coderus | special: afaik Jonni have some :D | 20:13 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: no. journal log is volatile | 20:14 |
| bennypr0fane | I'll check if you tell me where I find it. I think I don't hav a root file manager installed now | 20:14 |
| coderus | you can do > /home/nemo/journal-log.txt | 20:15 |
| coderus | whatever location you want | 20:15 |
| special | coderus: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-keepalive looks like an easier API, actually | 20:15 |
| special | iphb is the low level part | 20:16 |
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| bennypr0fane | coderus: I used the command you gave me, but I don't know where that saved the file | 20:16 |
| bennypr0fane | so I should have specified a path, huh? :-| | 20:17 |
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| bennypr0fane | coderus are you kidding me? that's your idea of a nice GUI? | 20:21 |
| * bennypr0fane is looking at midnight commander | 20:22 | |
| bennypr0fane | you obviously are... | 20:22 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus so where to/who with should I share the log? | 20:23 |
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| bennypr0fane | what do you guys use for viewing txt files? | 20:25 |
| Aard | less? | 20:25 |
| HtheB | notepad? | 20:25 |
| HtheB | nano? | 20:25 |
| bennypr0fane | any< | 20:25 |
| bennypr0fane | of these preinstalled? | 20:25 |
| coderus | special: oh, thanks ! | 20:25 |
| Aard | bennypr0fane: more might be preinstalled, less not | 20:25 |
| bennypr0fane | i mean on the jolla | 20:26 |
| Aard | if it's short enough, just cat and terminal scrollback | 20:26 |
| bennypr0fane | Aaard, I don't know how long it is | 20:26 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | bennypr0fane: vi is preinstalled | 20:26 |
| bennypr0fane | Morpog_PC: oh no, I can't handle that | 20:27 |
| bennypr0fane | where do i find nano? it's not in warehouse | 20:27 |
| bennypr0fane | at least search didn't return it | 20:27 |
| Aard | bennypr0fane: iirc it's in the default repos, so pkcon install nano might work | 20:28 |
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| Aard | but no sane person does that :p | 20:28 |
| coderus | special: oh, its QML :( | 20:28 |
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| coderus | ok i'll check that code and reuse it | 20:29 |
| bennypr0fane | Aaard well, I just did. thanks for the heads up | 20:29 |
| mdxth | is bc available in some repos? | 20:30 |
| Aard | no | 20:30 |
| bennypr0fane | so I take it we have no GUI text editor? | 20:30 |
| Aard | vi in fingerterm is not gui enough? :) | 20:31 |
| mdxth | tinyedit | 20:31 |
| * bennypr0fane is not listening to Aard anymore. Jolla employees shouldn't make fun of users | 20:31 | |
| Aard | bennypr0fane: I can assure you that I'm not making fun of you in my function as jolla employee :p | 20:32 |
| special | bennypr0fane: have you used the "Documents" application? | 20:32 |
| special | (official, from the store) | 20:32 |
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| Aard | documents is viewer only, and iirc we don't have it open plain text files | 20:33 |
| special | ah. | 20:33 |
| special | apparently I haven't ;) | 20:33 |
| Aard | it's opensource now, so you could just add it ;) | 20:33 |
| bennypr0fane | Aard I see, so you're just messing with me privately. I'm not enjoying that either, though | 20:33 |
| mdxth | bennypr0fane, tinyedit from openrepos | 20:34 |
| bennypr0fane | Seriously people, it's such an old stupid joke when someone asks for a GUI app for doing x and you recommend them a CLI app and say "you see, ther terminal has a GUI" or something even funnier. I'm fed up with that crap, just cut it out, ok? | 20:35 |
| bennypr0fane | mdxth: thanks, I found it! | 20:36 |
| mdxth | Aard, is less available? | 20:37 |
| Aard | iirc in mer-tools, but not in default repos | 20:37 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | bennypr0fane: relax | 20:39 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane: cli is [echo "123" > file.txt] | 20:39 |
| coderus | vi, nano, mcedit is GUI | 20:39 |
| coderus | cli gui :D | 20:40 |
| bennypr0fane | Morpog_Jolla_: do you know how much of this childish patronizing I have to go through each time I ask a question that reveals I'm not a pro? | 20:40 |
| mdxth | Aard, thx, now I have less :) | 20:41 |
| bennypr0fane | every damn time, it's just not funny anymore | 20:41 |
| bennypr0fane | just because I don't know something doesn't mean I'm an idiot | 20:41 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | well, i'm not a pro aswell | 20:41 |
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| bennypr0fane | and just because I ask a question doesn't warrant anyone who is feeling bored to write condescending crap | 20:43 |
| bennypr0fane | ok, I'm done now | 20:43 |
| bennypr0fane | anger mode off | 20:43 |
| bennypr0fane | sorry< | 20:43 |
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| bennypr0fane | one last: coderus, same old same old | 20:44 |
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| kimmoli | ooh. that was a angry opening :) almost thought someone has made comeback after two weeks | 21:04 |
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| kimmoli | but goodnight, think relaxing rainbowz; https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/477189660813586432/photo/1 | 21:04 |
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| pdanek1 | Apple iPhone 5 will be released with Sailfish in duaboot! The hype! | 21:23 |
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| sqozz | hey guys, is it possible that the sms app do not check the seconds in the timestamp for ordering? | 21:49 |
| special | it does. Why do you ask? | 21:50 |
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| sqozz | got an sms and in the exact same minute an sms with an correction and the correction landed over the original sms with the typo | 21:50 |
| sqozz | a sms, sry | 21:51 |
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| special | specifically, they're sorted by the time on the device when the SMS arrives | 21:53 |
| special | I suppose it's possible that they arrive from the network out of order, if they were sent together very quickly | 21:53 |
| special | especially in roaming cases and such | 21:53 |
| sqozz | hm okay, sounds absolutly plausible.. maybe a delay from the carrier | 21:55 |
| sqozz | wasnt roaming.. okay, now i know a little bit more | 21:56 |
| sqozz | thank you special! | 21:56 |
| special | we do get the sender's timestamp as well, I think that's the one that is displayed under the message.. | 21:56 |
| special | but for sorting it can be rather unreliable | 21:56 |
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| coderus | specially at christmas and new year's eve :D | 21:59 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.8.0 can record and send video messages now! DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.8.0 | 22:56 |
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