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| Stskeeps | good morning | 05:37 |
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| tbr | good moaning | 05:38 |
| Nicd- | bad morning | 05:38 |
| Nicd- | :| | 05:38 |
| TMavica | good afternoon | 05:41 |
| gexc | another update-anticipating-day? :D | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | isn't every day | 05:48 |
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| kimmoli | ok, time to test warranty repairs... | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | what broke? | 05:58 |
| kimmoli | sounds | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | after reboot too? | 05:58 |
| kimmoli | yep | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | or factory reset | 05:59 |
| kimmoli | not done that. they appear for few secs sometimes during the day | 05:59 |
| Nicd- | might as well factory reset | 06:00 |
| Nicd- | they'll do it at optima anyway | 06:00 |
| kimmoli | yep. i'll need to investigate some more when i get my hands on that phone again. it just went out of the door | 06:01 |
| kimmoli | there is danger it goes out of the window, if i dont don anything to it | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | well | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | or be nice to us guys at r&d and not factory reset so we can replicate state :P | 06:02 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: did you checked your journal? :) | 06:38 |
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| coderus | i recently had lose of my sounds too, journal and special helped me to figure out broken package. | 06:40 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: yep, i'm trying to avoid that to the end... coderus: thansk for reminder. I will need to use all my superpowers to overtalk her to use lumia for a while :) | 06:50 |
| coderus | kimmoli: just grab journal at first | 06:52 |
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| coderus | but "sounds appear for few secs sometimes during the day" looks like bad connection somewhere :) | 06:56 |
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| stephg | morning guys | 07:19 |
| coderus | morning | 07:21 |
| sharpneli | coderus: Which package btw? I'm still having the issue on my phone from time to time | 07:22 |
| sharpneli | I've just come to accept that Jolla simply doesn't have a loudspeaker :D | 07:22 |
| sharpneli | And I cba to do factory reset every week to fix it. | 07:22 |
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| coderus | sharpneli: for me it was pulseaudio-modules-nemo-common | 07:25 |
| coderus | sharpneli: but you should check your journal first | 07:26 |
| sharpneli | How was it broken btw? | 07:26 |
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| coderus | no idea. one file was malformed | 07:29 |
| coderus | journal said what file it, rpm -q --whatprovides /path/to/file show what package you need to reinstall | 07:30 |
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| sharpneli | Regardless it seems that my Jolla is breaking down. Whenever I browse the web for awhile the phone gets massively hot and starts to complain about overheating. | 07:33 |
| sharpneli | Didn't do that 3 months ago or so. | 07:33 |
| Jope | time to contact care@jolla.com | 07:36 |
| flux | apparently the future upgrade has something related to overheating, but it probably doesn't help if your phone actually overheats.. | 07:36 |
| sharpneli | It also eats battery like no tomorrow when it does that. | 07:37 |
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| flux | battery comsumption and heating go hand-to-hand ;-) | 07:37 |
| werkelwiesel | hello everybody | 07:37 |
| sharpneli | Yap that it does. | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: powertop while doing it? | 07:38 |
| werkelwiesel | I have no sound on my Jolla, but this time the 'remove toh' trick doesn't work | 07:38 |
| werkelwiesel | and I can't restart pulseaudio as described | 07:38 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: One of those issues which I haven't replicated while calmly at my desk but always @ pub or when waiting something or whenever there is no time to start investigating. | 07:39 |
| sharpneli | There should be a "Pause the world" button for debugging. | 07:39 |
| pp | it's summer now :P | 07:39 |
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| coderus | werkelwiesel: start from checking your journal | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: +1 | 07:41 |
| kimmoli | seems that "no sound" is more common? | 07:42 |
| werkelwiesel | ok. what kind of journal (fileystem-journal) or some kind of log? | 07:42 |
| coderus | werkelwiesel: # journalctl -a > journal.log | 07:42 |
| kimmoli | in devel-su | 07:43 |
| werkelwiesel | ok, | 07:43 |
| kimmoli | i prefer, so i can send it to me as email attachment... > devel-su journalctl -a > /home/nemo/Documents/journal.log | 07:44 |
| werkelwiesel | ok, it is full of:"Jun 09 09:41:13 Jolla tonegend[1312]: ausrv: server connection failure: Connection refused | 07:44 |
| werkelwiesel | Jun 09 09:41:13 Jolla tonegend[1312]: Trying to connect to default Pulse Audio... | 07:44 |
| werkelwiesel | Jun 09 09:41:13 Jolla tonegend[1312]: ausrv: server connection failure: Connection refused | 07:44 |
| werkelwiesel | Jun 09 09:41:13 Jolla tonegend[1312]: Trying to connect to default Pulse Audio..." | 07:44 |
| werkelwiesel | sorry, for posting here | 07:44 |
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| coderus | paste all log please | 07:45 |
| werkelwiesel | really paste it here ? | 07:45 |
| coderus | sure, just use pastebin before | 07:46 |
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| werkelwiesel | ok, not exactly pastebin, but my apache http://arpad.homelinux.net/journal.log | 07:47 |
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| coderus | zypper se ausrv | 07:54 |
| coderus | oops wrong window | 07:54 |
| SK_work | :D | 07:55 |
| ar | :p | 07:56 |
| kimmoli | no zypbot here? | 07:56 |
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| coderus | werkelwiesel: i have following pulse packages installed, try to reinstall all of them and reboot: http://paste.kde.org/p5gsyukfp | 07:59 |
| werkelwiesel | ok, can I use pkcon for that? | 08:00 |
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| coderus | no | 08:01 |
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| coderus | zypper install --force package1 package2 etc | 08:01 |
| kimmoli | kinda lot of packages? | 08:02 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: [i] mark for installed ones | 08:02 |
| werkelwiesel | ok, I installed zypper, now I'll proceed with the list | 08:02 |
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| Nicd- | werkelwiesel: note [i] marks the installed ones | 08:03 |
| Nicd- | in the list | 08:03 |
| kimmoli | coderus: ah, hmm i have still one less | 08:03 |
| werkelwiesel | Nicd-: ok, will comply | 08:03 |
| kimmoli | coderus: ah that debuginfo | 08:03 |
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| werkelwiesel | while I do this: another question: Is it normal that a lot of packages from Jolla show up as update-able in the warehouse-app? | 08:04 |
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| kimmoli | but if the update is soon, and if this is true; https://together.jolla.com/question/31646/no-sound-speaker-broken/ | 08:06 |
| SK_work | werkelwiesel: like ? | 08:06 |
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| werkelwiesel | SK_work: uff, I'll have to create a screenshot and post it, but there are way over 30packages | 08:06 |
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| SK_work | werkelwiesel: just give some names | 08:06 |
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| werkelwiesel | SK_work: profiled, polkit, policy-settings-common,perl-threads-shared, (..lots of perl..), tubler, transfere-plugins, tracker, tone-generator, sociald,sailfish-components-store.... | 08:09 |
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| werkelwiesel | I get NOKEY, errors while trying to reinstall the packages (this happened in the past in the MerSDK-Engine when disk was full...) | 08:10 |
| SK_work | werkelwiesel: weired :/ | 08:11 |
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| Morpog_PC | no, just right before an update! | 08:14 |
| Morpog_PC | YEEEEHAAAA :D | 08:14 |
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| Sail0r | oO | 08:14 |
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| werkelwiesel | Morpog_PC: that's what I was thinking… is the jolla update coming in a single big file or several small ones... | 08:15 |
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| pp | it gets the rpms individually | 08:16 |
| werkelwiesel | ok, guys, I have to leave for an ENT-doctor appointment, got a drop of water stuck in my right ear since yesterday- be back in 1 hour. | 08:16 |
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| werkelwiesel | Thank you for the help so far, I reinstalled all mentioned packages (with a nokey warning) , will check later after restart and doctor | 08:16 |
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| gexc | hmm... the phone cannot find my wifi again | 08:20 |
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| gexc | anywhere to check? | 08:22 |
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| Nicd- | so, is it normal that the wifi disconnects all the time even when the phone is in range? | 08:24 |
| Nicd- | and are there patches coming for this? | 08:25 |
| coderus | werkelwiesel: NOKEY is not an error, just warning message | 08:25 |
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| gexc | I just answered a call and walked outside the range | 08:26 |
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| gexc | and found the wifi not connecting after coming back | 08:26 |
| Nicd- | I just notice the wifi is disconnected every time I look at my phone | 08:27 |
| Nicd- | then it quickly reconnects | 08:27 |
| gexc | there is no 'manual scanning' option? | 08:27 |
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| Nicd- | gexc: settings -> wlan -> pull down "connect to internet" | 08:27 |
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| gexc | hmm.. found nothing | 08:27 |
| gexc | only a 'hidden network' | 08:28 |
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| gexc | disable and re-enable it for several times | 08:30 |
| gexc | now it's working | 08:30 |
| gexc | weird | 08:30 |
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| werkelwiesel | ok, I'm back from my doctors appointment and I'm all ears now ;-) | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds like botched surgery | 08:57 |
| werkelwiesel | so after —force installing all those pulseaudi-packages, still no change after reboot; vibration is missing too | 08:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | werkelwiesel, which hw ? | 08:58 |
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| werkelwiesel | you mean - which phone-hw - jolla | 08:58 |
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| werkelwiesel | ok: my phone state is: a)sound completely not working b) vibration gone too c) no 'my apps' in store d)jolla-updateable-packages show up in warehouse - maybe the phone is too messed up, maybe I installed something wrong manually via pkcon during last days and there is a conflicht between jolla-packages and openrepo-packages.. maybe time for a factory-reset...? | 09:03 |
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| tbr | werkelwiesel: absolutely | 09:14 |
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| werkelwiesel | tbr: thanks for the re-affirmation, I already took the plunge and started factory reset 5min ago— phone is still dark - should I try to switch it on or wait until it comes up | 09:15 |
| tbr | leave it running if it does something. you can connect USB, if it wakes up, then boot it. | 09:15 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | werkelwiesel, for vibra ... mine motor got problems | 09:26 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but any problem for the rest | 09:26 |
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| werkelwiesel | dr_gogeta86: at least the jolla-vibration-feedback is not as good as it was with N9 | 09:45 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | no no no | 09:46 |
| dr_gogeta86 | my vibra motor is almost died | 09:46 |
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| werkelwiesel | dr_gogeta86: and will you send the phone back? or try to replace the vibra-motor in some local-shop? | 10:02 |
| special | dr_gogeta86: contact care | 10:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I've asked for model ... they said contanct care | 10:03 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | I'f i find a stronger replacement | 10:07 |
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| werkelwiesel | dr_gogeta86: maybe you can find an even better vibra-motor than the original one | 10:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i need to find datasheet from original one | 10:08 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and there isn't any model impressed on it | 10:08 |
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| werkelwiesel | dr_gogeta86: I don't know where it is exactly located, but can you try to measure voltage when it is in use - that pretty much should be it | 10:09 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | you need to remove back cover | 10:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | pull out | 10:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | all torx screw | 10:09 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | and motors was into the frame | 10:10 |
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| Sail0r | what does my Jolla want from me :x sometimes it does "peep" "vibrate vibrate" | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | it wants your attention | 10:14 |
| Nav | It does that when you get a text message and the message app is open | 10:15 |
| Sail0r | Nav: aaaah even when screen is off? | 10:15 |
| Nav | Hmmm, not sure about that | 10:15 |
| special | is the battery low? | 10:15 |
| Sail0r | special: nope | 10:15 |
| Sail0r | Nav: ok, sent another sms with textwindow open and it does the same thx :) | 10:16 |
| special | Sail0r: if it's doing that while the screen is off (and not within a few seconds of the screen going off), it's a bug | 10:16 |
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| special | although.. | 10:16 |
| special | ah | 10:19 |
| special | Sail0r: https://together.jolla.com/question/25298/notifications-to-application-active-during-grace-time-are-lost/ fixed in the upcoming update | 10:19 |
| special | I was worried that bug has resurfaced | 10:19 |
| Sail0r | thx :) | 10:20 |
| special | so many fixes and changes you all don't have yet.. :p | 10:20 |
| Sail0r | :P | 10:20 |
| Sail0r | it's clearly time for the update to roll out :P | 10:20 |
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| Morpog_PC | werkelwiesel, normally in lots of packages | 10:24 |
| Sail0r | special: are there also fixes for ipv6 in the new connman? | 10:26 |
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| Sail0r | and for wlans with radius? | 10:26 |
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| special | Sail0r: I don't know much about connectivity | 10:30 |
| Sail0r | kk | 10:30 |
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| Morpog_PC | Sail0r, just see for yourself :D https://github.com/mer-packages/connman/commits/master | 10:37 |
| Sail0r | wow much work done here | 10:38 |
| Sail0r | but nothing on ipv6 as far as i can see and search ;) | 10:39 |
| special | keep in mind that the update may not come from the master branch | 10:39 |
| special | well, it won't | 10:39 |
| Sail0r | ha | 10:41 |
| Sail0r | Fix issue with DHCPv6 rebind handling. | 10:41 |
| Sail0r | Add support for DHCPv6 decline message handling. | 10:41 |
| Sail0r | Add support for DHCPv6 duplicate address detection. | 10:41 |
| Sail0r | sounds not that bad :) | 10:41 |
| Aard | Sail0r: u7 won't get an updated connman | 10:43 |
| Sail0r | damn | 10:43 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 10:43 |
| Aard | connman upstream is less than stable, to put it nicely | 10:44 |
| Sail0r | k | 10:44 |
| Morpog_PC | well, at least you know some stuff will be fixed in the future ;) | 10:44 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 10:45 |
| Aard | Sail0r: check the commits from hannu there. http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/log/ | 10:45 |
| Aard | there's really basic stuff we need to fix before using it | 10:45 |
| Sail0r | ok, that's the reason why Sailfish uses such a old version of connman? | 10:47 |
| Aard | yep. we're trying hard to fix the upstream connman, though, and made quite nice progress | 10:48 |
| Sail0r | I hope the fix for enterprise wlans makes it soon to the upstream because I don't want to use the fix from the community | 10:48 |
| SK_work | Aard: nice progress in making jolla engineers loosing their sanity ? | 10:48 |
| Aard | Sail0r: I didn't forget about it, but right now just having working connectivity has higher priority | 10:48 |
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| Sail0r | Aard: sure that's no question :). Stability before features is perfectly fine | 10:49 |
| Aard | SK_work: yep. we had that nice 'buy therapy for 2, send in a 3rd one for free' offer ;) | 10:49 |
| SK_work | Aard: cool :) | 10:49 |
| Aard | Sail0r: anyway, read teh release comms once it's out, we have a few surprises in there :) | 10:50 |
| Sail0r | cool :) | 10:50 |
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| Sail0r | refreshing tjc every 5 seconds does not speed up the progress, right? ;) | 10:51 |
| kontio | lol, not really... | 10:51 |
| Aard | no | 10:51 |
| Sail0r | damn *g* | 10:52 |
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| entil | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcwNzY is the n900 modem driver relevant for maybe seeing sailfishos ported for the n900?-) | 11:06 |
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| SK_work | entil: first have wayland working nicely on N900 | 11:12 |
| SK_work | that's something hard | 11:12 |
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| pp | libhybrishish kludge for nokia drivers?-) | 11:13 |
| entil | I really wouldn't know, I just know there should be community editions of sailfish coming out and that I can't be the only person twisted enough to consider installing it on the n900 for fun ;) | 11:13 |
| Aard | entil: if you manage to sort wayland out it should be easy, rest of the stack is in better condition for n900 than n9 | 11:15 |
| entil | I can't take that on myself :D | 11:16 |
| entil | what kind of issues are there with the n9? | 11:16 |
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| gexc | jolla cannot find wifis again... | 11:28 |
| gexc | maybe it's time for rebooting | 11:28 |
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| entil | https://github.com/romu70/sailfish-for-other/issues?state=open forgot it for a while and then dug it up | 11:38 |
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| Nicd- | dammit, my NFC is acting up again. it's notifying me of the OH in my pocket | 11:50 |
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| gabriel9 | update? | 12:04 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | soon :P | 12:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | When it's done. | 12:05 |
| * tbr rides a soon-horse™ around the channel | 12:05 | |
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| ggabriel | soon-ponyTM !! | 12:05 |
| gabriel9 | now i will listen "Look am my Horse, my Horse is Amazing" | 12:06 |
| Nicd- | give it a lick | 12:07 |
| tbr | look at the update, the update will be amaaaazing! | 12:07 |
| Morpog_PC | mmmmh it tastes like raisins | 12:07 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | too much depends on whether you like raisins or not | 12:07 |
| gabriel9 | i never licked horse | 12:08 |
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| gabriel9 | and i don't have desire :D | 12:08 |
| schmittlauch | Is today a normal working day in Finland? | 12:09 |
| salami` | yes | 12:09 |
| Nicd- | yes | 12:09 |
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| phdeswer | schmittlauch: In Finland we don't have as much free days as in .de | 12:09 |
| schmittlauch | On the one hand that's a bit sad, on the other hand that means sailors are working on the update today \0/ | 12:10 |
| Morpog_PC | luckily :D | 12:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | https://global3.memecdn.com/update-is-available_o_142147.jpg | 12:13 |
| Morpog_PC | https://global3.memecdn.com/so-update_c_2435089.jpg | 12:14 |
| gabriel9 | one of the best | 12:14 |
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| gabriel9 | jolla should be based on ArchLinux | 12:14 |
| gabriel9 | updates every day :D | 12:14 |
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| Morpog_PC | that one is also good :D | 12:16 |
| Morpog_PC | https://global3.memecdn.com/when-there-are-os-updates_o_213789.jpg | 12:16 |
| Tegu | and breaks every other day due to updates? (well dunno :D) | 12:16 |
| sharpneli | It works perfect if you don't use AMD proprietary drivers :D | 12:16 |
| sharpneli | With nv or opensource drivers it just works. | 12:16 |
| cb400f | if I can just get my launcher folders I barely care about further updates ;-) | 12:16 |
| gabriel9 | i don't remember when i have last OS break | 12:16 |
| gabriel9 | there a re some glitches, but i fix them with ease | 12:18 |
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| ggabriel | speaking of updates, must update my pets | 12:31 |
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| gabriel9 | no update today for sure | 12:33 |
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| special | gabriel9: why's that? | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | best to set low expectations ;) | 12:34 |
| pp | I'm guessing a few hours left | 12:34 |
| pp | :P | 12:34 |
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| ggabriel | you can settle with updating modrana | 12:35 |
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| gabriel9 | day is over | 12:36 |
| gabriel9 | i never do release on day end | 12:36 |
| special | you're assuming we operate on normal finnish hours ;) | 12:37 |
| schmittlauch | Most updates came out in late afternoon | 12:37 |
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| Scelt | the conversation between two gabriels seem rather schizophrenic | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | whoa, there actually are two | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | wait until my 3rd personality kicks in | 12:39 |
| pp | hmn, good time to charge the phone I suppose | 12:40 |
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| gabriel9 | maybe you are right :) i live in diff time zone | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | hahaha | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | so you're actually two different people? | 12:43 |
| gabriel9 | sometimes :D | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | good question | 12:43 |
| gabriel9 | i wonder which one is the evil one :D | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | at least we are 2 differente personalities in different time zones | 12:44 |
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| FireFly | Which of you have a goatee? | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | not me | 13:02 |
| FireFly | I'm pretty sure the rule is that the one with a goatee is the evil one | 13:02 |
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| ggabriel | FireFly: could be, or maybe both are evil!!! | 13:02 |
| FireFly | :o! | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | it's funny tho, yesterday i was thinking about creating an alter ego for tjc | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | not an evil one, but a counseling one | 13:04 |
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| ggabriel | for the folks who don't want to embrace the gesture ui | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | something like gestureyoda | 13:04 |
| gabriel9 | i have better idea, we hang couple of people | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | nah, i think it's wise to tell them to unleran what they know | 13:06 |
| Aard | Sail0r: and here's one of the surprises I mentioned earlier. https://together.jolla.com/question/45026/hotfix-opt-in-hotfix-for-connectivity-in-upcoming-update-7/ | 13:06 |
| gabriel9 | the rest of them will then embrace gesture ui | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | or rather, unlearn the bad habits that android/ios impose | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | Aard: that's pretty cool | 13:08 |
| Sail0r | *opt-in* | 13:08 |
| gabriel9 | people are laizy | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | i won't be a tester myself, but opt-in hotfixes are pretty cool | 13:08 |
| pp | nice :-) | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | (i'm already testing the caldav thing, and ENOTIME) | 13:08 |
| Aard | we've put that out a bit earlier so we'll be able to add mail address in big batches to reduce load a bit. we'll first push out u7 for everyone, and then during the next days make the hotfix available | 13:09 |
| FireFly | Aard: huh, neat solution | 13:10 |
| FireFly | the mail-and-get-prompted-update thing | 13:11 |
| FireFly | (assuming it works out as smoothly as it sounds by the tjc post :P) | 13:11 |
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| Aard | FireFly: I have full trust in our IT team to properly add the accounts :p | 13:11 |
| Aard | other than that, we've been able to push updates out in groups for a while (and have been using that for load distribution and internal release testing). so the mechanism itself is well tested, it's just a new creative way to use it | 13:12 |
| Sail0r | :) | 13:12 |
| Sail0r | First group are always the "Firstones"? | 13:13 |
| gabriel9 | i am just happy for reboot fix | 13:13 |
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| Aard | Sail0r: yep | 13:13 |
| * Teme feels special for knowing that ^__^ | 13:14 | |
| Sail0r | hehe | 13:14 |
| special | :< | 13:14 |
| Teme | xD | 13:14 |
| Aard | Sail0r: that is, given our IT guys don't mess it up :p | 13:14 |
| Teme | sry for the highlight but i guess you can take some of the blame on yourself special | 13:14 |
| sdjayna | Aard: I was about to say the earlier comment was the nicest thing you'd ever said about me.. | 13:14 |
| Teme | that's not a very "special" nick when it comes to english language :P | 13:15 |
| Aard | sdjayna: you keep track? :) | 13:15 |
| sdjayna | Aard: The list isn't long :p | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | love is in the air | 13:16 |
| Aard | sdjayna: I'll give you donuts if you reply to my IT tickets in an indian accent :p | 13:17 |
| FireFly | I'm curious about the implementation of real browser tabs | 13:17 |
| FireFly | that's slated for next update, right? | 13:17 |
| Aard | FireFly: yep | 13:17 |
| FireFly | All right, nice | 13:18 |
| Aard | FireFly: you don't see any difference (apart from pages not reloading and browser taking a bit more memory). you have a limited number of real tabs, if you use up more the other ones will be still fake tabs | 13:18 |
| FireFly | Hm | 13:18 |
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| Sail0r | how many tabs? | 13:19 |
| Sail0r | or depends on free memory? | 13:19 |
| FireFly | I guess that works, as long as the limit is not too low | 13:19 |
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| Plnt | Aard: will the opt-in test be available after update 7 is released? or we need to opt-in before the update is released? | 13:22 |
| Aard | Plnt: you will still be able to opt in after release. how long it'll take between opt-in and getting the hotfix will depend on our IT load, though | 13:23 |
| Plnt | Aard: okay, thanks | 13:23 |
| Aard | I don't think I can convince sdjayna to update in real time :p | 13:23 |
| Plnt | :))) | 13:23 |
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| sdjayna | Aard: i've done the needful, it's scripted ;) | 13:25 |
| Aard | sdjayna: and you trust your scripts? | 13:25 |
| sdjayna | Aard: Naturally there are some tricky edge cases. If you opt-in, opt-out, but then opt-in again I'll probably curse you. | 13:26 |
| Nicd- | will the updated connman (or u7) have a fix for the disconnecting wifi? | 13:26 |
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| Aard | Plnt: ^^ you saw his instructions on the 3 steps you need to do? | 13:27 |
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| Aard | Nicd-: standard u7 stack is almost exactly like u5 stack. updated connman _might_ fix your issue | 13:28 |
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| Nicd- | ok | 13:28 |
| Nicd- | the issue being disconnection from wifi when the phone is locked | 13:29 |
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| ggabriel | sdjayna: fwiw, there are no instructions to opt-out, so you should be fine ;-) | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | I assume it has to do with power saving but I could be wrong | 13:29 |
| Aard | ggabriel: there are | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | or rather, your script should be fine | 13:29 |
| Sail0r | there are instructions to opt-out | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | Aard: oh, I stand corrected | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | myabe I read tjc too quickly then | 13:29 |
| kimmoli_sailing | is there also placebo opt-in? | 13:29 |
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| ggabriel | only if dd count=1 ibs=1 if=/dev/urandom == A | 13:31 |
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| SK_work | Plnt: opt-in whenever you want :) | 13:32 |
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| Plnt | Aard: :)) .. and i thought that we have to betatest just the connman :) | 13:35 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/50648485.jpg | 14:10 |
| pp | :D | 14:10 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | Aard, a little overview what that connmann update maybe fixes and maybe regresses would be great. Not sure if I should opt in or not. And does it only affect WLAN and/or BT, or also 2G/3G/4G? | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | i guess the tjc that aard opened is the best place to put that | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | whether that info comes from jolla or otherwise | 14:17 |
| TMavica | today have update? | 14:17 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sure | 14:17 |
| Morpog_PC__ | TMavica, we think so | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | i've already downloaded it | 14:18 |
| TMavica | true..? | 14:18 |
| Morpog_PC__ | :D | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | true/troll :P | 14:18 |
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| Aard | Morpog_PC__: part of that I already answered there, detailed changes are hard to do. it really depends on your environment if you hit new bugs, or if it'll be a lot better than before | 14:18 |
| Morpog_PC__ | so only wlan affected then? | 14:18 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | https://together.jolla.com/question/45026/hotfix-opt-in-hotfix-for-connectivity-in-upcoming-update-7/ | 14:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I've sent email | 14:39 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | so silent here | 15:30 |
| Aard | we're busy :) | 15:31 |
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| SK_work | Aard: busy releasing office in github ? | 15:54 |
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| Aard | no :p | 15:55 |
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| coderus | calligra so lightweight? | 15:56 |
| coderus | also, is it safe ti use nemo-latest repo on jolla? | 15:57 |
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| Aard | coderus: calligra itself has been always packaged here: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/calligra | 15:59 |
| Aard | the new stuff is now the source for the document viewer ui | 15:59 |
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| Morpog_PC | hopefully the new browser ui makes it into this release | 16:00 |
| Morpog_PC | or not veskuh? | 16:01 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: no | 16:02 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: :) | 16:02 |
| Morpog_PC | :) | 16:02 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC: are you responsible of sfos memes ? | 16:05 |
| Morpog_PC | yep :D | 16:05 |
| SK_work | if yes, please correct yo dawg meme into: hey Jolla, please release U7 so I can update when doing an update :) | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | sfos memes? | 16:06 |
| SK_work | (or I can update connman when doing an update) | 16:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | lol | 16:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, https://twitter.com/Morpog/status/476003527190642689/photo/1 | 16:07 |
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| SK_work | Morpog_PC: because this is the real meme | 16:07 |
| Aard | the office source release was the second surprise I hinted to earlier :) | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:07 |
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| Morpog_PC | SK_work, oh wait I'm not the user @SailfishOSmemes | 16:08 |
| Morpog_PC | SK_work, you can do it by yourself --> memegenerator.net | 16:09 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC: ah ? | 16:09 |
| SK_work | I thought you were behind this twitter handle | 16:10 |
| Morpog_PC | nope, I just made the meme pics | 16:10 |
| Morpog_PC | just found out about that account | 16:10 |
| Morpog_PC | nice to see more apps going open source | 16:11 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/50652395.jpg | 16:12 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 16:12 |
| Morpog_PC | tweet it | 16:13 |
| kimmoli_sailing | hmm, should there be some pulse service running on phone | 16:13 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC: https://twitter.com/SfietKonstantin/status/476034099975839746 I invite you to rt | 16:14 |
| Morpog_PC | done ;) | 16:14 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | aboyt the no sound on loudspeaker... there is nothing in journal.. pulseaudio is running (ps) | 16:19 |
| kimmoli_sailing | comparing things to a working piece | 16:19 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | i cant find anything wrong wit the phone. all other audiosources, headset also works fine. just not loudspeaker | 16:39 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | any more protips for debugging? Stskeeps ? | 16:41 |
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| Morpog_PC | kimmoli maybe a hw defect? | 16:42 |
| raa70 | could it be.... a hardware issue? B) YEEEHAW | 16:42 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | that i did suspect in first place ... | 16:45 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | ok li | 16:47 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | contact Issue. little bending and audio is back | 16:48 |
| Morpog_PC | ahaaaa | 16:48 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | but debugging over putty looks so nerdy when doing it while visiting friends :) | 16:49 |
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| * Morpog_PC yawns | 17:00 | |
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| javispedro | https://www.codeaurora.org/cgit/external/wlan//prima/ | 17:11 |
| javispedro | so I can confirm that the 3.2.2.20 release available there works on jolla | 17:11 |
| javispedro | closest I've found to the stock 3.2.1.7x whose source seems not to be available | 17:12 |
| javispedro | (newer releases don't build, they seem to assume some qualcomm specific API that's not present in current jolla kernel) | 17:13 |
| Morpog_PC | https://together.jolla.com/question/45064/release-notes-software-version-10716-saapunki/ | 17:13 |
| FireFly | ! | 17:15 |
| tigeli | :) | 17:15 |
| nodevel | !! | 17:15 |
| Merbot | nodevel: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 17:15 |
| Morpog_PC | http://t.co/yHItjEUVd1 | 17:15 |
| nodevel | :) | 17:15 |
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| FireFly | darn | 17:18 |
| FireFly | too many photos it seems, backing up gallery takes time | 17:18 |
| * FireFly maybe shouldn't backup all the photos.. | 17:18 | |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: really? or just a joke? | 17:20 |
| Morpog_PC | im downloading | 17:21 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, https://together.jolla.com/question/45064/release-notes-software-version-10716-saapunki/ | 17:21 |
| coderus | good. updated. good improvements :) | 17:22 |
| coderus | folders in launcher, finally :) | 17:23 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah it was a mess | 17:23 |
| Skorpy | oh oh oh update update. finally. | 17:23 |
| coderus | and can customize quick applications in lockscreen | 17:23 |
| coderus | wow :) | 17:23 |
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| FireFly | Don't forget bugfixes and stability updates and all that | 17:25 |
| kimmoli_sailing | much such update wow | 17:25 |
| FireFly | that's also very welcome | 17:25 |
| coderus | and superb quick scrolling in long lists | 17:25 |
| coderus | finally! | 17:25 |
| coderus | :) | 17:25 |
| Yaniel | weeee, update | 17:25 |
| Morpog_PC | aaaah you tease, damn slow internet :) | 17:25 |
| Yaniel | hey I'm on the road myself | 17:25 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | so no "lpm" screen yet? | 17:25 |
| coderus | HarhaanJohtaja: of course no | 17:26 |
| coderus | it just started developed | 17:26 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | ok | 17:26 |
| FireFly | lpm? | 17:26 |
| Morpog_PC | yep | 17:26 |
| kimmoli_sailing | fake lpm | 17:26 |
| Morpog_PC | check nemomobile commits | 17:27 |
| FireFly | expand_acronym("lpm") | 17:27 |
| coderus | for info: you can rename folder by tapping name, and change icon by tapping icon :) | 17:27 |
| raa70 | do i really need to take the letoh from package to update sooner | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | low power mode | 17:27 |
| FireFly | oh | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | like in n9, but faked | 17:27 |
| FireFly | I never had an N9 | 17:27 |
| FireFly | As long as it's not insanely stupid, I'm happy | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | oooh, u missed a piece of art | 17:28 |
| * FireFly eyes S^3 | 17:28 | |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: faked< really? | 17:28 |
| coderus | thp: ^ ? | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, it hat no oled screen | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | it can't be the real deal | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | well | 17:28 |
| FireFly | Whose bright idea was it to make it (AFAIK) impossible to tell the battery status in power-saving mode? (on Symbian^3) | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | lpm isn't -necessarily- oled | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | but makes most sense on oled, doesn't it? | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit of a funky topic | 17:29 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: OLED makes sense in black colors | 17:29 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, and standby screen on n9 was mostly black | 17:29 |
| Morpog_PC | so saved battery | 17:30 |
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| Morpog_PC | and 8 or 4 color mode of display iirc | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | anybody succesfully installed yet/ | 17:30 |
| Morpog_PC | still downloading :( | 17:31 |
| FireFly | "Cover glass background now has rounded corners" ! nice | 17:31 |
| Skorpy | installing atm | 17:31 |
| coderus | sure, installed update :) | 17:31 |
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| walokra | annoying to be "the second one" when new update comes :) | 17:31 |
| FireFly | Aw | 17:31 |
| raa70 | walokra: wanna buy letoh? | 17:32 |
| FireFly | You'll get it soon | 17:32 |
| FireFly | selling your firstoneness? :p | 17:32 |
| walokra | raa70: naah, I can wait :) | 17:32 |
| coderus | just the trick: ssu re 1.0.7.16; version --dup, and no need to wait :) | 17:32 |
| walokra | coderus: :D | 17:32 |
| sdjayna | not recommend i might add.. | 17:33 |
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| sdjayna | recommended* | 17:33 |
| Sail0r | updtes :> | 17:33 |
| Sail0r | I wonder if I get the updated hotfix connman in the same update ^^ | 17:34 |
| FireFly | Prolly not | 17:34 |
| sdjayna | Sail0r: nah not until tomorrow earliest.. | 17:34 |
| * pp downloads furiously | 17:34 | |
| Sail0r | :) | 17:34 |
| Sail0r | sdjayna: was only asking ;) no offence :) | 17:35 |
| * FireFly noticed he's filled up his jolla's internal memory | 17:35 | |
| Skorpy | the update takes a while it seems. 10min or so have passed and not even 50% complete yet | 17:35 |
| Sail0r | FireFly: tztz | 17:35 |
| Sail0r | xD | 17:35 |
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| sdjayna | Sail0r: nothing wrong with asking... | 17:35 |
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| Sail0r | downloads looks much faster then last updates :) | 17:35 |
| Sail0r | updating two firstones at one time | 17:36 |
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| Sail0r | it's fast this time | 17:36 |
| pp | next one should be even faster with 4g :P | 17:36 |
| AlmAck | Sail0r: downloading is fast, but not installing, mine is 5min now and I'm at 80% :-) | 17:36 |
| FireFly | Hm | 17:36 |
| Sail0r | yeah much changes :) which is good i think | 17:36 |
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| Sail0r | Developer mode | 17:38 |
| Sail0r | Acts as a DHCP server for the USB interface to ease the connectivity to PC's. | 17:38 |
| Sail0r | nice | 17:38 |
| pp | ooh, I was going to +1 that! | 17:38 |
| javispedro | oh, so there is an update it seems. | 17:38 |
| Sail0r | but one answer | 17:38 |
| Sail0r | *question | 17:38 |
| Sail0r | with or without default gw? ;) | 17:38 |
| pp | exactly :P | 17:38 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | ok. first to ask: when we have update 8 ? | 17:40 |
| javispedro | tigeli, Stskeeps: ok, even when using both the newer firmware file and kernel module (from 3.2.2.20 codeaurora release), same symptomps regarding hcitool lescan | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: ok, at least it's consistent | 17:40 |
| Sail0r | is the gov changed to performance Stskeeps? | 17:40 |
| raa70 | "Operator name label dynamically displays date for 1500ms when the lockscreen is shown" sweeeet | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: GPU? no, something more sinister | 17:41 |
| Sail0r | :x | 17:41 |
| Sail0r | xD | 17:41 |
| javispedro | I think I'm going to switch to this driver for a while | 17:41 |
| tigeli | javispedro: tried with lescan on today, wlan is blocked the whole time when it's running | 17:41 |
| javispedro | maybe a future update can have 100% foss kernel :) | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: if you can do a writeup on using the newer firmware and kernel module, it would be good | 17:41 |
| coderus | sadly, date on lockscreen have wrapping... | 17:41 |
| coderus | Monday 9 June 2014 | 17:42 |
| coderus | y. | 17:42 |
| coderus | good wrap :D | 17:42 |
| FireFly | installing... | 17:42 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, tigeli: how is the wlan MAC set on sfos (if you can explain this)? | 17:42 |
| tigeli | coderus: I don't have any "y." there | 17:42 |
| coderus | tigeli: i'm using not english locale of course :) | 17:42 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: i don't recall offhand, it's prolly in init*rc | 17:43 |
| javispedro | I've had to put mine on the .ini file because the oss driver did not load it | 17:43 |
| javispedro | oh | 17:43 |
| javispedro | should check there, ok | 17:43 |
| javispedro | (was thinking driver would load it from a .nv file or partition :P) | 17:43 |
| Sail0r | yay no brick booted like a charm :) | 17:43 |
| Skorpy | weee update done. took like 20min. | 17:44 |
| Skorpy | BUT DONE! | 17:44 |
| Sail0r | covers are more transparent then before | 17:44 |
| Morpog_PC | great | 17:44 |
| Sail0r | nearly unvisible on keira black | 17:44 |
| FireFly | and also rounded corners are rounded again, I hear | 17:44 |
| Sail0r | hm certificate errors on my own email accounts | 17:45 |
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| Sail0r | imap-login: Disconnected (no auth attempts): rip=jolla, lip=mailsrv, TLS: Disconnected log from mailserver | 17:46 |
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| Skorpy | ummm... how do I add folders? :P | 17:48 |
| Sail0r | connection is starttls | 17:48 |
| Aard | VDVsx: ^^ | 17:48 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: self-signed certificates are not automatically accepted for imap | 17:48 |
| Sail0r | it's not self signed | 17:48 |
| coderus | yeah, good covers transparency and fixed corners | 17:48 |
| Aard | Skorpy: just drag two icons on top of each other | 17:48 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: maybe it's not trusted by our ca-lists ;) | 17:48 |
| Skorpy | Aard: ah thanks | 17:48 |
| Sail0r | it worked before ;) | 17:48 |
| Sail0r | so it's a change in this release | 17:49 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: yes, allow those certs in settings for that account | 17:49 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: or try that | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | Sail0r, got to the account and enabled "accept untrusted certificates" | 17:49 |
| Sail0r | tigeli: did you change the trusted certs in this release | 17:49 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: not to my knowledge | 17:49 |
| Sail0r | it's maybe a good hint for anyone | 17:49 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: who's your ca? | 17:50 |
| phaeron | it was probably untrusted but accepted before ? | 17:50 |
| VDVsx | no, but before was not checked, so your certs might be expired or untrusted | 17:50 |
| Sail0r | Startcom | 17:50 |
| Sail0r | which worked before the update without a problem | 17:50 |
| javispedro | tigeli: yeah, wlan stuck during hcitool lescan is the problem I'm personally trying to fix/workaround | 17:50 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: yes because ^^ | 17:50 |
| * Mirv notices something happened during his flight to QtCS. must abuse the "basic internet" plan to download the update! | 17:50 | |
| tigeli | javispedro: I will make a bug about in our bugdb | 17:51 |
| tigeli | javispedro: about it | 17:51 |
| Sail0r | tigeli: startcom is a trusted ca from many companies (apple,ms, moz, even most linux distros) | 17:51 |
| * gexc_ decides to update tomorrow when wifi is available | 17:51 | |
| Sail0r | tigeli: i think this would break many email setups | 17:52 |
| VDVsx | Sail0r, nothing we can do, this was bad security wise, we had to fix it | 17:53 |
| javispedro | tigeli, ta! | 17:53 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: is there are intermediate ca in between? | 17:53 |
| Sail0r | but you can inform the people that startcom is no longer trusted ;) | 17:53 |
| Sail0r | tigeli: yep | 17:53 |
| VDVsx | ofc is certificate is not in device and from trusted chain, that's another problem | 17:53 |
| Sail0r | issuer=/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=Secure Digital Certificate Signing/CN=StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA | 17:53 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: is the server sending it too? | 17:53 |
| Sail0r | yeah openssl s_client -connect ip:993 is sending the correct once | 17:54 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: as the intermediate ca might not be trusted even the root ca would be | 17:54 |
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| tigeli | hmmph | 17:54 |
| Sail0r | one moment i delete the account and add it once agaiin | 17:55 |
| Sail0r | to make sure nothing is cached | 17:55 |
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| VDVsx | does not cache anything, cert is check for each connection | 17:55 |
| Sail0r | k | 17:56 |
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| Sail0r | it's working with untrusted | 17:56 |
| VDVsx | for both smtp and imap/pop | 17:56 |
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| Sail0r | was it untrusted before by default? | 17:56 |
| VDVsx | yes | 17:56 |
| Sail0r | k | 17:56 |
| VDVsx | all were accepted | 17:56 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: StartCom CA root is in our ca-bundle.crt | 17:56 |
| Sail0r | hm interesting | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli: is our ca-certificates up to date? | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, a lot of stuff must have gotten replaced in heartbleed.. | 17:57 |
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| Aard | good point | 17:57 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: it might not be :) | 17:58 |
| Aard | it hasn't been touched for a while, and we probably should change that on mer side to make easy vendor bundles possible instead of just taking the mer bundles | 17:58 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: at least for intermediates, if we have any in our bundle | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | ca-certificates are a bit of .. hrm | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | let's say pandora's box | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:58 |
| Aard | it's a lot better than it used to... | 17:58 |
| FireFly | Hm, scrolling in browser feels slower/even a quick flick doesn't take you far | 17:59 |
| javispedro | ca-certificates is another shitstorm waiting to happen | 17:59 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: I have this one.. which I would like to include in every OS and get rich :D | 17:59 |
| javispedro | I'm sure in a few years everyone will be facepalming on it.... | 18:00 |
| Morpog_PC | interesting, i got 4g, but i don't pay for it :) | 18:00 |
| Aard | javispedro: the only reason to ship them is because everyone does :p | 18:00 |
| javispedro | Aard, correct, which is how shitstorms brew :) | 18:01 |
| Morpog_PC | ah. data doesn't work over it | 18:01 |
| Aard | it's on my todo-list to come up with a somewhat sane ca-management for sailfish, so you can easily add or disable cas as user | 18:01 |
| Aard | right now basically if you don't have pinning like chrome the cas are useless. and if you do pinning anyway there's no point in using anything not selfsigned | 18:02 |
| FireFly | Hrm, scrolling in general feels slower, except for the jump-to-{start,end} shortcuts of course | 18:02 |
| attah | Is there any other changelog than what was posted on tjc a few weeks back? | 18:03 |
| Morpog_PC | meh android apps still don't work over wlan :( | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | attah: https://together.jolla.com/question/45064/release-notes-software-version-10716-saapunki/ | 18:03 |
| Aard | Morpog_PC: not at all, or only when you change networks? | 18:03 |
| VDVsx | FireFly, give it a bit, many things are done after update | 18:03 |
| Morpog_PC | not at all | 18:03 |
| attah | Stskeeps: Thanks! Embarassing that i missed that | 18:04 |
| Morpog_PC | some apps work, but most not | 18:04 |
| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: were you connected to 3G before? | 18:04 |
| FireFly | VDVsx: it's not that it's hacky/running low on resources, but that it feels like the "terminal velocity" so to speak is lower.. but I dunno, maybe you're right | 18:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | xfade_, yes, but let me do a clean rebbot | 18:06 |
| Morpog_PC | but alien dalvik wasn't open when i was on 3g | 18:06 |
| VDVsx | FireFly, there's some contacts migration at least that can take up to 10mins | 18:06 |
| VDVsx | will slow down the device, check processes runing | 18:06 |
| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: The only time I see what you reporting is when I was dual connected. | 18:06 |
| Morpog_PC | I'm rebooting with only wlan enabled atm | 18:07 |
| xfade_ | I encourage you to sign up for the conman hotfix. | 18:07 |
| xfade_ | connman even :) | 18:07 |
| Morpog_PC | yep, still no internet connection in alien dalvik :( | 18:08 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, so connman opt in could fix that? | 18:08 |
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| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: In new connman we have a different way of detecting if you are connected. | 18:09 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, so I will opt in | 18:09 |
| Kiranos | congrats on the new release of sailfishos | 18:09 |
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| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: your isp/firewall/proxy probably filters out a header which is used to detect captive portals.. | 18:09 |
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| Morpog_PC | damn isp | 18:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | need to hurry then with the opt in, changing ISP soon :D | 18:11 |
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| kimju | 4G support sounds good.. this 2G-only has been quite annoying. | 18:13 |
| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: Any other wifi networks you can try out near you? | 18:13 |
| attah | Aard: Is there any more detailed info info on what the new connman fixes/changes? | 18:13 |
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| Morpog_PC | xfade_, I tried on 2 different wifi and had the same issues | 18:14 |
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| Morpog_PC | but with update 5 | 18:14 |
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| Aard | attah: no, it depends heavily on your network setting if it makse things better or worse | 18:14 |
| xfade_ | attah: https://github.com/mer-packages/connman/commits/master | 18:14 |
| Aard | if you want details, check connman hangelog | 18:14 |
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| attah | okdok.. I'm too curious not to try it anyway | 18:15 |
| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: hmm my networks are all sane then as I tried with at least 20, never had issues on wifi | 18:15 |
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| Morpog_PC | maybe reinstalling alien dalvik helps? | 18:16 |
| Morpog_PC | never tried it | 18:16 |
| xfade_ | I doubt it. | 18:16 |
| Aard | note that u7 is probably the first lake name where we don't drastically change the google search results by releasing it :p | 18:16 |
| Morpog_PC | heard it removes all installed android apps | 18:16 |
| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: yes, it cleans all data. | 18:16 |
| Morpog_PC | the new quickscroll rocks! Just veskuh needs to do a new release to prevent double quickscroll | 18:17 |
| Morpog_PC | on tweetian | 18:17 |
| Morpog_PC | or I build it myself :D | 18:18 |
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| thrakcattack | is it possible to use a physical keyboard via usb to micro usb? | 18:19 |
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| thrakcattack | i tried plugging in one but it did not work out of the box | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC | there is a maps update in store. Should I update it? | 18:21 |
| Aard | yes | 18:21 |
| Morpog_PC | I have bad memories with maps updates in store :D | 18:21 |
| Aard | you might run into positioning issues if yo udon't update | 18:21 |
| Aard | plus, if you update you'll get a setting for which units you'd like your maps app to use | 18:22 |
| Morpog_PC | aaaand updated, thx for info | 18:22 |
| xfade_ | And it will stop nagging in events view ;D | 18:22 |
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| coderus | xfade_: Morpog_PC: my android apps are still there :) | 18:22 |
| Yaniel | gotta love this 64KB/s 3g downlink | 18:23 |
| Morpog_PC | and this time I really can do the setting for maps in app settings | 18:23 |
| xfade_ | coderus: Sure, that is how it is supposed to be | 18:23 |
| attah | Yaniel: where is that ancient network.. or are you "out of data"? | 18:23 |
| szopin_sailing | ehhh.... 'Problem with upgrade' | 18:25 |
| Yaniel | I'm moving at 80-100 km/h in the countryside | 18:25 |
| xfade_ | szopin_sailing: rough seas? | 18:25 |
| Yaniel | I'm pretty sure that is the problem | 18:25 |
| szopin_sailing | each time, anybody know what to type in terminal to get more meaningful error? | 18:25 |
| xfade_ | szopin_sailing: pkmon | 18:26 |
| xfade_ | Then select download again. | 18:26 |
| Tegu | hmm, weird. I can only see one installed app on the store. the rest work normally from the launcher, though | 18:26 |
| szopin_sailing | probably related to warehouse bugging out with can't write to /var/tmp/xxx_yyy/repodata... | 18:26 |
| Yaniel | hmph, I'll just retry when I am more stationary again | 18:27 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: known problem, we are working on it. It is a server side issue | 18:27 |
| Yaniel | and have a charger | 18:27 |
| Tegu | ah, oki. (what does own apps has to do with server side? :P shouldn't it be available offline) | 18:27 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: both, we record which app you install, so we can generate a repository out of it, just for you. | 18:28 |
| attah | Yaniel: I think i heard somewhere that LTE has better performance at higher speeds.. so hopefully it's the last time that happens :) | 18:28 |
| coderus | Yaniel: what zypper ref said? | 18:28 |
| Yaniel | coderus: huh? | 18:28 |
| Tegu | xfade_: okay, thanks for information. good to hear it's a known issue and being worked on :) | 18:29 |
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| Sailor-2gether | ssl issue solved Stskeeps Aard VDVsx | 18:29 |
| coderus | Yaniel: ah sorry | 18:29 |
| Yaniel | I estimated the speed from how the data counters were updated | 18:29 |
| coderus | szopin_sailing: what zypper ref said? | 18:29 |
| Sailor-2gether | not a problem of sailfish problem of dovecot | 18:29 |
| tigeli | attah: I've been able to do 100Mbps on jolla over LTE | 18:30 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: Out of interest. Did you ever use another account on that device or was it previously owned by someone else? | 18:30 |
| szopin_sailing | pkmon has only successes | 18:31 |
| Tegu | xfade_: no other accounts at any point | 18:31 |
| Tegu | but I have changed my password | 18:31 |
| attah | tigeli: on a fast-ish train? | 18:31 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: And never had another device? | 18:32 |
| tigeli | attah: haha, in the office. ;) | 18:32 |
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| Tegu | xfade_: nope | 18:32 |
| szopin_sailing | Cannot write file '/var/tmp/AP_0xOZicBz/repodata/repomd.xml'. | 18:32 |
| tigeli | attah: but I can call it a train if you want to ;) | 18:32 |
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| coderus | szopin_sailing: reboot? :) or your filesystem is full? :) | 18:33 |
| xfade_ | szopin_sailing: Out of disk space or btrfs acting up? | 18:33 |
| coderus | szopin_sailing: touch /var/tmp/lalalala | 18:33 |
| szopin_sailing | rebooted | 18:33 |
| szopin_sailing | tried touhing some new file, seemed fin | 18:33 |
| szopin_sailing | most likely btrfs | 18:33 |
| attah | tigeli: well.. it was the speed compensation i was thinking about.. but the higher speeds sure are nice too | 18:33 |
| attah | Quick poll: What tech does your operator fall back on from LTE when you get an incoming call? | 18:34 |
| attah | For me, Telia/SE: GSM | 18:35 |
| szopin_sailing | there should be some auto btrfs recovery, like n900 autofixxng after 3 reboots | 18:36 |
| szopin_sailing | the readonly issue | 18:36 |
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| Aard | szopin_sailing: there is some btrfs recovery | 18:37 |
| Sailor-2gether | what do i need to select for owncloud? | 18:37 |
| Sailor-2gether | memotoo or general caldav? | 18:37 |
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| szopin_sailing | aard: from the recovery console? | 18:37 |
| tigeli | attah: it depends.. either umts or gsm :) | 18:38 |
| tigeli | attah: there was a bug in telia/sonera network last autumn which made lte-phones not to fallback at all :D | 18:38 |
| attah | being in the industry that didn't go unnoticed ;) | 18:39 |
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| Kondou | Sailor-2gether: owncloud uses caldav | 18:40 |
| Sailor-2gether | so only caldav | 18:40 |
| Sailor-2gether | let's have a try | 18:40 |
| Kondou | actually gotta test it myself :D | 18:41 |
| Kondou | just knew it, because I'm an owncloud dev | 18:41 |
| Nicd- | update <3 | 18:42 |
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| Nicd- | hey, did anyone's charging LED change color? | 18:42 |
| Nicd- | because mine is blue (again), not white | 18:42 |
| Tegu | blah, still not giving the update.. | 18:43 |
| Kondou | Nicd-: white for me | 18:43 |
| xfade_ | Nicd-: you probably got a message | 18:43 |
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| Kondou | do you have a text? | 18:43 |
| Kondou | :D | 18:43 |
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| Nicd- | nope | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | no message | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | and still blue when I close messages app and lock the phone | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: it probably means the device is plotting against you | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:44 |
| Sailor-2gether | is ssl supported in caldav? | 18:44 |
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| Kondou | Sailor-2gether: caldav is basically just http | 18:45 |
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| Kondou | you probably heard of https ;) | 18:45 |
| * attah is an idiot | 18:45 | |
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| Kondou | not sure whether sailfish os supports caldav over https yet though | 18:45 |
| Sailor-2gether | yay it works via https :) | 18:45 |
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| ggabriel | Sailor-2gether: i'm 99% sure i've been using https for a couple of updates now | 18:45 |
| attah | I applied my calendar patch without making a backup.. it worked, but still.. | 18:46 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: "imma charging mah laser"? | 18:46 |
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| Sailor-2gether | now i can disable calendar sync in syncevolution :) | 18:46 |
| ggabriel | Sailor-2gether: yup, https with davical | 18:46 |
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| Sailor-2gether | k pressing on sync does nothing | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | attah: 3g (Play, PL) | 18:50 |
| attah | :) | 18:50 |
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| Sailor-2gether | lipstick[1192]: AccountSyncAdapter.qml: Account 17 from onlinesync isn't syncable. | 18:52 |
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| Morpog_PC | yay you can change style of folder icon | 18:55 |
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| JvD_ | uu jea.. thanks sailors! | 18:58 |
| * Stskeeps opens a cold one | 18:58 | |
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| JvD_ | very well earned one | 19:00 |
| szopin_sailing | gah.. after deleting whole 3gb chroot, still 13.75 used... time to balance | 19:00 |
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| * mornfall looks around... update time, it seems | 19:01 | |
| Sailor-2gether | kernel does speak much more :) | 19:02 |
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| Nicd- | mega sized +1 for open sourcing documents app! | 19:02 |
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| Sailor-2gether | hm | 19:03 |
| Sailor-2gether | [C] CalDavClient::syncFinished:367 - CalDAV sync failed: 403 "unable to save calendar storage" | 19:03 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, mine stopped working too | 19:05 |
| ggabriel | maybe it needs a reboot | 19:05 |
| Sailor-2gether | lets have a try | 19:06 |
| ggabriel | i'm still in the old version fwiw | 19:06 |
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| Sailor-2gether | I am on the new one | 19:06 |
| ggabriel | using owncloud? | 19:07 |
| Sailor-2gether | yep | 19:08 |
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| Sailor-2gether | reboot does not change anything | 19:08 |
| Sailor-2gether | forced sync does still say is not syncable | 19:09 |
| ggabriel | in my case, msyncd doesn't even react to the dbus cal | 19:09 |
| ggabriel | +l | 19:09 |
| ggabriel | i'll try after the update ;) | 19:09 |
| Sailor-2gether | but it does not even send a request to the internet | 19:09 |
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| rubdos | Any clue on when Saapunki will be available to everybody? Can't wait! Congratulations btw! | 19:10 |
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| Tegu | I'm also spamming the update search :D | 19:11 |
| rubdos | Tegu, I think the servers are getting overloaded, it's getting slower every time I try ^^ | 19:11 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: no need, we'll ping when we pushed the button ;) | 19:11 |
| * mornfall waits for rpm -Va before updating | 19:12 | |
| rubdos | You guys MUST have a big red button for that? :P | 19:12 |
| mornfall | also, statefs-provider-inout-profile conflicts with (installed) statefs-provider-profile-0.2.53-1.11.5.armv7hl | 19:12 |
| mornfall | (that just popped out at me) | 19:12 |
| mornfall | probably harmless | 19:12 |
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| gogeta | did you pull out upgrades ? | 19:13 |
| rubdos | Well, I have an exam of physics tomorrow and I'm in doubt of staying awake until the update is available :( | 19:13 |
| xfade_ | rubdos: blue actually | 19:14 |
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| Sailor-2gether | ok somethings are synced some not | 19:14 |
| Sailor-2gether | ^^ | 19:14 |
| rubdos | xfade_, omg. Do you have a picture of it? :D | 19:14 |
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| Tegu | rubdos: I guess you'd better sleep well before exam | 19:14 |
| xfade_ | rubdos: It is blue and says 'Save'. Not very spectacular ;) | 19:14 |
| rubdos | Oooooh :( | 19:15 |
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| rubdos | Tegu, ok, great. It'll be tough, so I'll prepare for sleep now :) | 19:16 |
| Tegu | :) | 19:17 |
| attah | diffing diffs without syntax higlighting.. :( | 19:17 |
| Tegu | what kind of physics? | 19:17 |
| Tegu | or hmm, too offtopic I guess :P | 19:17 |
| rubdos | Tegu, quick one: waves and electromagnetism. And some initiation to special relativity. | 19:18 |
| Sailor-2gether | hm sucks now syncevolution is also not working anymore :-/ | 19:18 |
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| Tegu | rubdos: sounds cool. remember Maxwell's equations :P oki, good luck to the exam | 19:20 |
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| szopin_sailing | rebalancing takes too long to introduce it automatically on third boot, maybe some self-cure option in settings instead | 19:24 |
| rubdos | Tegu, double integral of E*dA = Q/epsilon, double integral of B * dA equals zero... Single int. of E*dl=-dPhi(B)/dt, single int. of B=mu * I + dphi(E)/dt That sort of equations? ;) | 19:26 |
| rubdos | And thank you for the luck-wishes. I'll need them... So waking up tomorrow with an update notification. Will make me happy :) | 19:27 |
| xfade_ | rubdos: psssst, that button just got pressed ;) | 19:27 |
| rubdos | OW | 19:27 |
| xfade_ | But don't blame me for lack of sleep | 19:27 |
| rubdos | have a sec | 19:27 |
| rubdos | no, I have exam at 9.20, got plenty of time :P | 19:27 |
| rubdos | Still says no updates available :( | 19:28 |
| szopin_sailing | try a couple of times | 19:28 |
| szopin_sailing | also didn't worr for me on first try | 19:29 |
| xfade_ | close store client, close settings and wait for 5 minutes | 19:29 |
| Morpog_PC | nice, back to one page of apps thx to folders! | 19:30 |
| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: you can have scrolling in folders too ;) | 19:31 |
| rubdos | xfade_, that did it :D | 19:31 |
| Morpog_PC | xfade_, yes, but they are gategorised now :) | 19:31 |
| Morpog_PC | categorised | 19:31 |
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| reviewjolla | What a great update! | 19:33 |
| szopin_sailing | yeah, real tabs, folders, 4g... | 19:34 |
| Sailor-2gether | is there a way to remove the calendar at sailfish? | 19:34 |
| Tegu | Sailor-2gether: just uninstall it like any other app? | 19:35 |
| Sailor-2gether | i mean all calendar items | 19:35 |
| Tegu | haven't tried but given that it wasn't installed by default I suppose it's possible..... aaaah, calendar items | 19:35 |
| Tegu | suddenly, update available! | 19:36 |
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| attah | Finally, calendar patch updated for 1.0.7.16 | 19:37 |
| attah | Stskeeps: any news on contribution guidelines? | 19:37 |
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| szopin_sailing | yay, balancing done, timm to rejoin you guys in the future | 19:39 |
| szopin_sailing | brr | 19:39 |
| szopin_sailing | brb* | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | attah: no, i've been dealing with some other things lately | 19:39 |
| attah | Stskeeps: ok, understandable | 19:40 |
| * mornfall hits install | 19:41 | |
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| ggabriel | yeah, same here [installing], what's the worst that can happen? :) | 19:42 |
| rubdos | ggabriel, a phone that stops working? ^^ | 19:43 |
| ggabriel | impossible! :P | 19:44 |
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| kimmoli | bad luck brian ? you sudden reboot happens during install | 19:44 |
| ggabriel | haha | 19:45 |
| ggabriel | i already had my dose of bad luck by breaking the glass | 19:46 |
| ggabriel | only good things can happen from now on, which is based on nothing scientific | 19:46 |
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| TriztAway | an update question: anything that needs to be disabled for this release? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | no, unless you're on an ancient version | 19:51 |
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| Trizt | Stskeeps: depends if you think update 5 is ancient :P | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | my world is update16, it's lonely here | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:52 |
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| Trizt | e few decades ahead of us others :D | 19:52 |
| rubdos | 16, dafuq :P | 19:52 |
| Wnt | after the the latest update I have two processes that use lot's of CPU after each reboot: android.process.acore and contactsd. Is this normal? | 19:53 |
| ggabriel | contactsd: yes | 19:54 |
| special | Wnt: they should calm down after a bit | 19:54 |
| ggabriel | it'll take a while | 19:54 |
| ggabriel | the android one, well, just switch android off :P | 19:54 |
| ggabriel | who needs it? | 19:54 |
| special | the android one is a side effect iirc | 19:54 |
| Wnt | special: ok, thanks | 19:54 |
| kimju | hmmh.. updated, still no 4G for me. | 19:56 |
| Morpog_PC | ggabriel, for essential apps like drive navigation | 19:56 |
| Morpog_PC | or burger king app :D | 19:56 |
| kimju | can anyone tell what 4G bands should be supported with this? | 19:56 |
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| Wnt | also there is something funny going on on the accounts page in settings: http://upload.egarden.fi/jolla_accounts.jpg | 19:57 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: chuck norris memorises maps | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: hm, VDVsx ? | 19:58 |
| Morpog_PC | thats not voice guided ggabriel | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | kimju: what country are you in these days? | 19:58 |
| reviewjolla | kimju: This list should be quite complete, but not 100% accurate: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2014/01/lte-4g-supported-countries-and.html | 19:58 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: of ocurse i'm joking | 19:58 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 19:58 |
| ggabriel | btw, no 4g for me, even though i should have it | 19:58 |
| Morpog_PC | And I have 4G but I shouldn't have it :) | 19:58 |
| Morpog_PC | but it doesn't work for data | 19:59 |
| kimju | Stskeeps, currently near Chicago, IL. | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | kimju: ah.. then you're not likely to get anything, canada you might | 20:00 |
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| kimju | Stskeeps, eh? LTE "works on 6 continents" doesn't include usa in north america? | 20:01 |
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| stephg | can I say 2 things: 1) thankyou. b) 4G seems to work for me out of the box on Vodafone UK | 20:02 |
| * stephg is a happy camper | 20:02 | |
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| attah | kimju: yep, but it's not their fault USA is so different in band allocations... | 20:02 |
| stephg | there are lots of other things I'm gonna be happy about but I don't know what they are as I have just got home and have to make dinner | 20:02 |
| szopin_ | hmmm, switching to 4g seems to take a while | 20:03 |
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| tigeli | szopin_: it's up to modem to decide when it will change tech | 20:04 |
| szopin_ | radio switcher app is noo going away I guess | 20:04 |
| szopin_ | not* | 20:05 |
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| tigeli | szopin_: well.. the one from openrepos? | 20:05 |
| tigeli | szopin_: it does 4g by switching lte-data-only | 20:06 |
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| tigeli | szopin_: no no fallback to 3g/gsm | 20:06 |
| kimju | reviewjolla, bands 3, 7 and 20? Really. out of those, only 7 is used anywhere in north merica, and even that only for additional bandwidth in few of the biggest cities in Canada. | 20:06 |
| kimju | doesn't exactly sound like the promised six continents. | 20:07 |
| Morpog_PC | you know, usa is not the only country on that continent..... | 20:07 |
| tigeli | :D | 20:08 |
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| kimju | Morpog_PC, yeah, but even in Canada band 7 is not enough to be usefull | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | at least crevetor got 4G going, supposedly | 20:09 |
| Morpog_PC | what a bout mexico kimju? | 20:09 |
| tigeli | Greenland! | 20:09 |
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| Morpog_PC | caric countrys? | 20:10 |
| Morpog_PC | caribic | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli: band 20, at least | 20:10 |
| kimju | Morpog_PC, I'm not sure if it should be counted as parth of north america. but yeah, for them it looks better. | 20:10 |
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| tigeli | I see myself living in iglu and having lte! | 20:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | kimju, well according to wikipedia it does | 20:11 |
| Morpog_PC | also belize, paname, costa rica, etc. | 20:11 |
| szopin_ | i think it was play's fault, was on local roaming tmobile | 20:12 |
| szopin_ | they don't share lte | 20:12 |
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| szopin_ | when jumped on play's 3g went to lte almost immediately | 20:13 |
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| juergbi | my phone is running hot after the upgrade (just finished a few minutes ago) | 20:18 |
| faenil | good evening peeps | 20:18 |
| faenil | so, how's the update so far? :) | 20:18 |
| Anz_ | ok, dumb question #1: standalone rpms from openrepos installed (no repositories or warehouse added). anything to be done before update? | 20:19 |
| stephg | faenil: wicked :) | 20:19 |
| reviewjolla | It's a great one if I may say | 20:19 |
| Morpog_PC | juergbi, it will take a few minutes for contacts to get processed, just wait 10 minutes | 20:19 |
| stephg | Anz_: which rpms | 20:19 |
| juergbi | high cpu usage of android.process.acore just stopped, so hopefully, the device will cool down again | 20:19 |
| Morpog_PC | faenil, i love it :D | 20:19 |
| Anz_ | stephg: mitaakuuluu and emoji keyboard | 20:19 |
| stephg | many nice tweaks in the interface now that I look too | 20:19 |
| Morpog_PC | Anz_, nothing to worry about openrepos | 20:20 |
| faenil | I don't have enough space to update :D | 20:20 |
| Morpog_PC | delete some backups ;) | 20:20 |
| Anz_ | Morpog_PC: stephg: thanks :) | 20:20 |
| szopin_ | yaa yandex is uninstallable finally | 20:21 |
| ln- | netflix works again \o/ | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, looks like I also have the free space issue | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | well, wouldn't be bad if it told you you have it | 20:23 |
| kimju | actually, Mexico seems to be band 4, so no luck there either. | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | like this it looks like the offline update initrd (at least it looks like there is one) does a different check than the store app | 20:24 |
| M4rtinK | well, provided the store app does any free space checks :) | 20:24 |
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| Trizt | great ime seems to be visible for android apps, so time to see if mobile id will find it or not | 20:26 |
| tango_ | ok, question for people that got UP7 already, what does the phone expose for HID? | 20:30 |
| * tango_ refers to: Support for additional bluetooth profiles: PBAP (phone book) and HID (input devices) | 20:30 | |
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| slate | Okey, update is out, give Nexus-candy. ;) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | working on it | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
| tango_ | (nexus-candy?) | 20:32 |
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| szopin_ | yay, phonecall received and back on lte, works | 20:33 |
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| slate | how are the data-speeds? | 20:34 |
| szopin_ | as before | 20:34 |
| szopin_ | but failback switching is a go | 20:34 |
| slate | good. | 20:35 |
| szopin_ | no more missed calls (without sms to inform you about it) | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | szopin_: play PL or another one? | 20:35 |
| szopin_ | play | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | i tested with same | 20:35 |
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| szopin_ | seems it fails to jump to 4g if roaming 3g though | 20:35 |
| szopin_ | was previously stuck on tmobile 3g and it wouldnt switch | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, didn't have issues with that so far | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | but i am pretty in warsaw | 20:36 |
| szopin_ | though afaik what play does (local roaming) isnt too popular | 20:36 |
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| slate | At least one operator in .fi does that too. | 20:37 |
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| ln- | i have an android app installed from .apk, and the app refuses to uninstall (or run, but that's another story). hints? not specific to the new update; it refused to install earlier already. | 20:39 |
| szopin_ | try reinstalling? | 20:39 |
| szopin_ | or was the initial install post latest update? | 20:40 |
| ln- | no, the initial install was probably some time in december or january. | 20:40 |
| ln- | curious, reinstalling it actually made it run. so far it has only crashed. | 20:43 |
| szopin_ | reinstalling might help remove the icon, might need manual dellting of legacy files | 20:43 |
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| szopin_ | ohhhh.. need to check mixradio if offline works | 20:44 |
| pdanek2 | Stskeeps: Do you still keep Mer as independent project, or not anymore? | 20:44 |
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| Stskeeps | it's independent | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | but now sleep | 20:46 |
| szopin_ | sadly still errors out | 20:47 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx: I intentionally left a qt-bugged mail-account there to wait for the upgrade, seems to work just fine for now! | 20:50 |
| szopin_ | real tabs are sweet... now just select/find and browser will be perfect | 20:50 |
| chem|st | naming scheme of "caldav" available services is misleading if it is actually only working with owncloud kind of servers! | 20:52 |
| szopin_ | ok crash test of failbacc switching, diving into 2g only cave, fingers crossed | 20:52 |
| Kondou | chem|st: owncloud says: "CalDav link" itself | 20:53 |
| chem|st | Aard: any idea on where to set the mount of my sdcard(android-part) now? | 20:53 |
| chem|st | Kondou: it says "General CalDAV" | 20:53 |
| Kondou | owncloud says … | 20:53 |
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| chem|st | ah ok | 20:54 |
| Aard | chem|st: iirc I had the path in the together post | 20:54 |
| chem|st | where to put it? | 20:54 |
| szopin_ | w0000000t still here :D | 20:55 |
| Aard | chem|st: /data/media is the backing for the fuse mount | 20:56 |
| szopin_ | no more reconnecting and szopin_ crap | 20:56 |
| szopin_ | wow even kept at 3g | 20:56 |
| chem|st | Aard: I mean the "where" in "when to mount" as this will break if not mounted befor it gets fused, right? | 20:57 |
| Aard | yes | 20:57 |
| Aard | 'before alien starts up' | 20:57 |
| faenil | Aard, what was the command to uninstall android stuff from cmdline? I forgot which bin talks to alien | 20:57 |
| Aard | check the start scripts | 20:57 |
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| Aard | faenil: apkd-uninstall | 20:58 |
| faenil | Aard, ah apkd! totally forgot its name, thanks! | 20:58 |
| chem|st | easiest way would be one the dalvik will wait for right? | 20:58 |
| Aard | yes | 20:58 |
| chem|st | hmm, ok.. ty! | 20:58 |
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| szopin_ | wow, download images automagically is now an option | 21:01 |
| szopin_ | srsly guys, awesome update | 21:01 |
| szopin_ | painless and epic | 21:02 |
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| Aard | szopin_: images...? | 21:02 |
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| szopin_ | settings, apps, email | 21:03 |
| szopin_ | downloading of pictures off by default | 21:03 |
| Quu | and date on lockscreen | 21:03 |
| szopin_ | safe and sound | 21:03 |
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| szopin_ | now for wayland 1.5 ;) | 21:05 |
| chem|st | Quu: yeah... for all those lazy people who now have to wait a second to see the operator they are on^^ | 21:05 |
| chem|st | kudos to whoever had the idea, I like pissing people off with their own request! | 21:06 |
| szopin_ | lol | 21:06 |
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| szopin_ | might start using the pulley menu now | 21:07 |
| chem|st | it is just insane to ask for some thing which is actually a 5mm pull away - to have to wait for the operator name now is just so fit to the design that I actually like it, but people will moan as loud as they can to get it moved somewhere else! | 21:08 |
| faiden | ohh update :) | 21:09 |
| szopin_ | where's my operator??? jollahq fails again.. oh wait here it is | 21:10 |
| w00t | szopin_: 1.4 will come with an upgraded qt | 21:11 |
| szopin_ | neat, cxl got xwayland running with 1.3 so here's to hoping we get .4 soon | 21:13 |
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| szopin_ | haha, twitter exploded 41 new updates | 21:17 |
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| szopin_ | ,hmmm left the cellar, still 3g, was similar on lumia920, might be generic lte limitation | 21:24 |
| szopin_ | still better as lumia would stay on 3g even after a call ended | 21:25 |
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| szopin_sailing | forcing lte sadly causes disconnect, but at least immediate | 21:28 |
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| Morpog_PC | w00t, is this fixed lately? https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/ | 21:37 |
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| w00t | not yet, some work done on it, but it won't see the light until update8 | 21:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | ok, nice, better late than never :D | 21:40 |
| Morpog_PC | thx for heads up | 21:40 |
| narchie | is anyone still experiencing random shutdowns, boot loops etc like me? :( | 21:40 |
| Morpog_PC | szopin_, https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/pull/129 | 21:40 |
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| Aard | narchie: please get in touch with care if you still do | 21:40 |
| Aard | it's a rather tricky issue to debug | 21:41 |
| narchie | alright | 21:41 |
| narchie | wait what | 21:42 |
| narchie | update rolling out | 21:42 |
| Teme | mm wat | 21:42 |
| stephg | as I've just shot myself in the foot, anyone know off the top of their heads/can someone look for me which apk the Google Play app is in? | 21:42 |
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| Teme | yayy update | 21:44 |
| Teme | too bad i notice it at this hour :D | 21:44 |
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| Aard | narchie: you mean you didn't update device yet? | 21:45 |
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| szopin_ | Morpog_PC: thx! i guess i need my chroot back up asap to try rebuilding with that pull | 21:45 |
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| narchie | Aard: nope, not yet | 21:45 |
| narchie | just noticed | 21:45 |
| Aard | narchie: ok, in that case, if you still have issues after update, please contact care :) | 21:46 |
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| narchie | Aard: will do, thanks for the heads up | 21:46 |
| * javispedro asks for *braaainsss* I mean, *1.0.7.16 SOURCEEEEESSS* | 21:47 | |
| * Aard points to github :p | 21:48 | |
| javispedro | keeeerneeeel | 21:48 |
| ggabriel | you read like gollum | 21:48 |
| javispedro | my preciiiouuuus | 21:48 |
| javispedro | kerneeel souuuurceeeesss | 21:48 |
| stephg | if anyone is as silly as I am, it looks like uninstalling play store (by accident) can be reverted | 21:49 |
| stephg | by running /opt//alien/system/app/Phonesky.apk from a filemanager | 21:50 |
| szopin_ | first time I'm overwhelmed by an update, folders are tricky now can'tfind anything, timm for a beer and a stupid smile for a while, cya guys | 21:50 |
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| pdanek2 | How big is the update? Sadly it doesn't show. | 21:52 |
| ggabriel | pdanek2: ~150mb | 21:52 |
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| ggabriel | i think | 21:52 |
| pdanek2 | ok, thanks | 21:52 |
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| Aard | depends a bit on how much additional components you have installed, though | 21:53 |
| ggabriel | ok, true | 21:53 |
| ggabriel | i got maps updated too | 21:53 |
| ggabriel | right... something's wrong with my certs | 21:53 |
| ggabriel | and the latest sailfish os | 21:53 |
| ggabriel | please don't tell me there's no love for startssl | 21:54 |
| Morpog_PC | ggabriel, allow untrusted certificates | 21:54 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: yes, i know, it works like that | 21:54 |
| ggabriel | but but but | 21:54 |
| ggabriel | that's not the right way | 21:54 |
| Morpog_PC | well, get a trusted certificate :D | 21:54 |
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| ggabriel | it may be pebcak | 21:55 |
| ggabriel | but startssl are trusted | 21:55 |
| ggabriel | and free, which is even better | 21:55 |
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| szopin_ | ok 1bug - can't pair with gennric w8.1 laptop to use as speakers | 22:04 |
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| Yaniel | ooh, generic caldav accounts | 22:05 |
| Yaniel | <3 | 22:05 |
| szopin_ | previously worked effortlessly, after repairing won'starp pumping | 22:05 |
| Wnt | ggabriel: I use startcom's free certificates on my mail server and it has worked with Jolla since the beginning | 22:05 |
| Yaniel | I'll have to set one up as soon as my rpi is online again | 22:05 |
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| ggabriel | Wnt: yup, but only now they check proprely | 22:06 |
| ggabriel | my certs are wrong | 22:06 |
| ggabriel | chain is wrong | 22:06 |
| ggabriel | ah, well, it was pebcak indeed | 22:06 |
| Nav | anyone tried the caldav stuff with owncloud yet? | 22:07 |
| szopin_ | hmm, init from pc works, wonder if lost some auto setting on the way | 22:07 |
| Kondou | Nav: yup, works good for me | 22:07 |
| Nav | excellent :-) | 22:07 |
| Kondou | took a while until everything showed up though | 22:07 |
| * Nav is just shifting a bunch of video to ensure there's plenty of room for a backup and the update | 22:07 | |
| Nav | Is it possible to set the destination directory for the camera output? | 22:09 |
| Wnt | during the update I had a "journalctl -f -a" open in a ssh session. I noticed some failed SQL scripts in the output. like: "Failed to prepare table OnlineAccounts:" ... "no such column: Details.nonexportable Unable to execute statement" | 22:09 |
| Nav | Or do I just drop in a symlink? | 22:09 |
| Nav | Would be nice to have camera stuff go straight to SD | 22:10 |
| Nav | Then I can avoid moving data around when I really want to be updating :-) | 22:10 |
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| cvp_ | have someone try the webdav with owncloud? can connect but i dont see the calender in the phone :( | 22:13 |
| Kondou | cvp_ what tpath did your provide? | 22:13 |
| Kondou | remote.php/caldav ? | 22:13 |
| cvp_ | Kondou: yes | 22:14 |
| Kondou | use remote.php/caldav/calendars/<username>/ instead | 22:14 |
| cvp_ | path: /owncloud/remote.php/caldav | 22:14 |
| cvp_ | ok | 22:14 |
| cvp_ | moment | 22:14 |
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| cvp_ | Kondou: cant connect | 22:17 |
| Kondou | /owncloud/remote.php/… in your case | 22:17 |
| cvp_ | yes i try this, cant connect | 22:18 |
| Kondou | https://together.jolla.com/question/534/support-for-caldav-based-calendars-eg-google-calendar/#comment-45160 read into this then | 22:18 |
| cvp_ | i am use admin as user | 22:18 |
| Kondou | I'm not familiar with your setup | 22:19 |
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| cvp_ | serveradress: https://xxx.dyndns.org:PORT and than path /owncloud/remote.php/caldav/ .... this is working, but cant see any new calender, and if i try path: /owncloud/remote.php/caldav/ calendars/admin/ this is not work, cant connect | 22:22 |
| cvp_ | ahhhh damn ... | 22:23 |
| cvp_ | http ... i forget it the "s" :D | 22:24 |
| Kondou | mep | 22:24 |
| Nav | anyone else notice their phone got slightly warm during the update? | 22:24 |
| Kondou | during? | 22:24 |
| Kondou | processor working → heat | 22:24 |
| cvp_ | Nav... after update my phon is warm, but than goes normal | 22:24 |
| Nav | its just booted now, seems to be cooling down | 22:26 |
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| cvp_ | crazy... the phone dont sync with my server | 22:30 |
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| Kondou | cvp_: it takes a bit initially i've noticed | 22:31 |
| Kondou | /manually syncing didn't do anything for me | 22:31 |
| Kondou | automatic sync did work though | 22:32 |
| Kondou | apparently | 22:32 |
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| cvp_ | ah ok , than i setting up 15 min | 22:32 |
| cvp_ | and is it possible to sync the contacts too ? | 22:33 |
| ggabriel | woohoo 4g in da house | 22:34 |
| ggabriel | (had to come upstairs :P ) | 22:34 |
| Kondou | cvp_: not yet | 22:34 |
| Kondou | it's a different feature | 22:34 |
| Kondou | /carddav | 22:34 |
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| cvp_ | ok .... maybe in the next update :D | 22:34 |
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| cvp_ | ggabriel: nice ;) ... i will get 4G in August... hope i will have fun with it :) | 22:35 |
| ggabriel | uhm... the buteo plugin doesn't work anymore | 22:38 |
| ggabriel | i'll need help with this | 22:38 |
| ggabriel | but not today | 22:38 |
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| ggabriel | cool, i'm quite happy | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | there are tiny improvements too | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | that i haven't seen documented | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | which is cool :D | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | road test tomorrow | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 22:41 |
| cvp_ | Kondou: cool auto sync is working :) | 22:42 |
| Kondou | \o/ | 22:42 |
| ggabriel | ok, that's it for me, good night, and good luck | 22:43 |
| cvp_ | Kondou: but 2 way sync is not woring right ? | 22:43 |
| cvp_ | ggabriel: good night | 22:43 |
| Kondou | cvp_: didn't test that yet, so I can't say anything about that | 22:43 |
| cvp_ | ok ok ;) | 22:43 |
| minimec | Hi. THX for the update. First inpression... We will gain battery life. CPU usage seems much more "predictable". Snappy!!! Again THX. | 22:45 |
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| petzku | any tips on how to remove patchmanager patches i forgot to disable before update? | 22:48 |
| petzku | i just disabled lipstick-pandora before the update | 22:48 |
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| TMavica | handwriting is great! | 23:25 |
| TMavica | 4g works in HK | 23:25 |
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