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| Stskeeps | beautiful day out in the sun | 10:05 |
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| kimmoli | oo, soon time for BBQ | 10:16 |
| Aard | sigh. I don't have luck with notebook batteries. seems one cell died again | 10:17 |
| kimmoli | integrated battery on my lenovo lasts <2 hours, in the beginning it lasted 5-6 hours | 10:17 |
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| tbr | Aard: I have a big stash of 18650 cells if you want to try to mix and match ;) | 10:27 |
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| Aard | kimmoli: I'm now at my 3rd battery | 10:28 |
| Aard | it jumps from 20% to 4% | 10:28 |
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| coderus | Aard: like harmattan does :D | 10:32 |
| coderus | Aard: did you tested your battery? maybe calibration problem? | 10:32 |
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| Yaniel | and this is the point where I would install update6/7 -- if I had one | 14:14 |
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| MSameer | Yaniel: what's wrong? | 14:19 |
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| M4rtinK2 | modRana 0.47.1 is out, get it while it's hot! :) | 14:28 |
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| Quu | woop | 14:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://openrepos.net/content/martink/modrana-0 | 14:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | release notes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1428708#post1428708 | 14:30 |
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| Quu | yay, installed | 14:32 |
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| Yaniel | MSameer: spare time at my hands, mostly | 15:15 |
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| gexc | hmm... charging is still going on even if the sys says 'battery full' | 16:20 |
| gexc | current is about 100mA | 16:20 |
| FIQ | sounds like charging is more or less done then | 16:21 |
| FIQ | if current is that low | 16:21 |
| gexc | :-O | 16:21 |
| gexc | so if I just keep the cable plugged, will the battery get damaged? | 16:22 |
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| special | gexc: no | 16:22 |
| special | among other things, I know this because my development phone has been plugged in most of the day every weekday for nearly a year | 16:23 |
| gexc | well, that's a strong proof ;-) | 16:24 |
| gexc | is the phone drawing power directly from the charger if the battery is really full? | 16:26 |
| gexc | like a laptop | 16:26 |
| special | the batteries regulate themselves | 16:26 |
| gexc | now the current reading is ~1mA | 16:27 |
| gexc | maybe it's really fully charged | 16:27 |
| special | they decide when to pull current and how much, and when fully charged and plugged in they cycle it a bit to avoid wear | 16:27 |
| special | from what I understand | 16:27 |
| gexc | well, that's good to know | 16:28 |
| special | not that I understand much about batteries ;) | 16:28 |
| gexc | maybe jolla should just get spare batteries in the store | 16:29 |
| Quu | yuuuup | 16:29 |
| gexc | no more concerns about the battery wear :) | 16:29 |
| special | or we could take the apple approach | 16:30 |
| special | non-removable batteries and you can just buy the new phone every year | 16:30 |
| gexc | O_O | 16:30 |
| Quu | that also words | 16:30 |
| gexc | I broke my N9 while replacing the battery | 16:30 |
| * gexc is clumsy ;-) | 16:32 | |
| Jope | don't make mistakes. | 16:33 |
| * gexc used to have a lot of skype calls over 3G | 16:35 | |
| gexc | so the battery wears fast | 16:35 |
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| Jope | how did you manage to break the phone though | 16:36 |
| Jope | the only difficult part I can think of is not breaking the glass | 16:36 |
| gexc | that was weird | 16:36 |
| Jope | (me has repaired tons of n9s) | 16:36 |
| gexc | screen not responding after the battery replacement | 16:37 |
| Jope | k | 16:37 |
| * gexc has replaced the battery twice | 16:37 | |
| Jope | digitizer cable/connector probably broken :-/ | 16:37 |
| * gexc replaced the screen afterwards but still not working | 16:37 | |
| Jope | aww. :-( | 16:37 |
| * gexc send the device to a local repair shop | 16:38 | |
| gexc | no success | 16:39 |
| gexc | :-/ | 16:39 |
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| gexc | in the shop I had the connector replaced | 16:40 |
| gexc | and the phone officially died after that >_< | 16:40 |
| * gexc can still flash it with the flasher though | 16:41 | |
| gexc | strange | 16:41 |
| Jope | good as dead if the screen connectors are broken. :-( | 16:42 |
| gexc | hmm... | 16:42 |
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| Aard | I think for the first time ever I'm one screw short when reassembling a notebook | 17:10 |
| Quu | huehue | 17:11 |
| Quu | thats not bad | 17:11 |
| Quu | bad is when you have more than one extra cable in your hands | 17:11 |
| Aard | the annoying part is that screw can only be placed when the notebook is halfway disassembled. so now I'm reluctant to fully reassemble it again as then I'd probably locate that thing immediately, and would need to open it again | 17:13 |
| Quu | yeah. that happens. | 17:13 |
| Quu | its never the last screw | 17:13 |
| Aard | it's the only screw where there's exactly one of them in the notebook. so I paid special attention where I put it when disassembling | 17:14 |
| pdanek | Is anyone using that create ambient function? :O | 17:19 |
| * Aard is | 17:19 | |
| Aard | but only once :p | 17:19 |
| pdanek | Me too :D | 17:20 |
| Aard | I have several ambience profiles in use on my main phone, though, but I'm manually switching | 17:21 |
| Aard | I use different coloured backs to distinguish between the phones on my desk | 17:22 |
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| pdanek | ah I see | 17:24 |
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| pdanek | Aard: how many Sailfish powered phones do you have atm? | 17:24 |
| Aard | depends on what I count | 17:24 |
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| suosaask1 | http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/8/5790798/microsoft-1999-vision-of-the-smart-home | 17:27 |
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| MSameer | pdanek: i used it once | 17:35 |
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| * Stskeeps serves himself a nice martini | 18:13 | |
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| tbr | cheers! | 18:13 |
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| * tbr keeps browsing for cameras and monitors that could make for a sensible rear view/side view setup for his "tank" | 18:14 | |
| Stskeeps | hack a tizen camera? | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:14 |
| tbr | phull controll! | 18:15 |
| * javispedro 's soul dies a bit more after reading 'if (pListHead->next) > 0x00010000) //Assuming kernel address is not that low.' | 18:15 | |
| Stskeeps | are you looking at the jolla device kernel sources? .. | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:16 |
| MSameer | javispedro: how much android code have you been reading? | 18:16 |
| * Stskeeps high fives MSameer | 18:16 | |
| javispedro | too much. I have lost faith in the world and I'm already hoarding food | 18:16 |
| javispedro | for the clearly upcoming apocalypse (where every computing device will misteriously fail) | 18:17 |
| javispedro | maybe after logging something like "this loop crashes if the pointer is not right" or similar | 18:17 |
| MSameer | I have seen worse comments | 18:18 |
| MSameer | I can dig it up from the mozilla source tree if you want :p | 18:18 |
| reviewjolla | I'd like to thank all you #Jolla owners for your collaboration. 700th review was just posted, read comment: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/06/your-review-of-jolla-phone-doing-it.html?showComment=1402250968308 | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | there are days when i want to kick off a butlerian jihad.. | 18:20 |
| javispedro | it's as if these guys had a working time machine, asked future themselves "which assumptions would cause ourselves most pain in xx years?" and implemented them all. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: at that time you'd have gotten a promotion | 18:20 |
| javispedro | prolly true | 18:21 |
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| * javispedro ponders why the "log dumping" functions implement what is basically a working shell plus libreadline | 18:22 | |
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| javispedro | oh, windows... *shudder* | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: do i dare to ask what you're investigating? | 18:23 |
| javispedro | bt coex | 18:24 |
| javispedro | I have some dumps from motoG so I'm comparing | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | you should maybe talk to tigeli too | 18:24 |
| tigeli | hmm | 18:25 |
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| javispedro | OBVIOUSLY if by some miracle some of you have deduced this please free me of this pain :) | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | despite some of us's reputation, we're not sadistic monsters.. tigelis' been debugging wlan in general | 18:25 |
| tigeli | :D | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: could you quickly outline the problem? | 18:26 |
| javispedro | my personal itch is the "lescan kills wlan" thing, but I'm trying to get an idea of how everything is supposed to fit together | 18:26 |
| tigeli | javispedro: you got me interested | 18:27 |
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| javispedro | well... so far I've deduced that we don't need any userspace tool for coex, unlike several other qcom modems.. | 18:27 |
| javispedro | somewhere in the kernel (or in the fw) someone is sniffing HCI commands to detect what's userspace doing with BT. | 18:28 |
| javispedro | (so, no 'abtfilt' or 'btcoex' daemon) | 18:28 |
| javispedro | when the lescan starts the wlan driver receives two commands from this "filter" -- the first one is to disable heartbeat monitoring (which is something that for some reason happens on LE and thus is my primary "suspect") | 18:30 |
| javispedro | the second is to increase the minimum latency between wlan scans, in their own terms this is because: "WLAN_COEX_IND_TYPE_SCANS_ARE_COMPROMISED_BY_COEX " | 18:31 |
| * stephg passes a few cold ones around, takes a sip himself | 18:31 | |
| tigeli | javispedro: this is on jolla-device? | 18:32 |
| javispedro | tigeli: yep | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: as a general thought.. is there a wpa supplicant addition to perhaps block wlan scans? | 18:32 |
| javispedro | oh, they have hacked wpa_supplicant too? | 18:33 |
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| tigeli | Stskeeps: I've been testing ap_scan=0 in wpa_supllicant.conf to let the driver be responsible wlan-scanning.. initial test results -> not sure yet if that helps | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, we kinda didn't, but, it's always a remote possibility | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:33 |
| javispedro | I have not check'd wpa_supp at all | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.codeaurora.org/cgit/quic/la/ ; search wpa_supplicant | 18:34 |
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| javispedro | that said I currently doubt it would be involved in this | 18:34 |
| tigeli | javispedro: doing wpa_cli scan in a loop also causes issues | 18:34 |
| javispedro | basically the different between motoG log and Jolla log is ... 0. | 18:34 |
| javispedro | *the difference | 18:34 |
| javispedro | Jolla even thinks it's tx'd the packets, and frees the pkt | 18:34 |
| tigeli | javispedro: with the timings with the coex | 18:34 |
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| javispedro | tigeli: well there's certainly some enforced minimum delay between all types of wlan scans in the drivers | 18:35 |
| javispedro | *frees the pkt buffer, I mean. | 18:36 |
| javispedro | btw, anyone had any luck with the prima opensource driver? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | didn't djselbeck off tmo get that working | 18:37 |
| tigeli | javispedro: yes, but it makes wlan to miss probe responses | 18:37 |
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| tigeli | which makes wlan to disconnect | 18:38 |
| pdanek | Does WP8 even have support for physical keyboard? :O | 18:38 |
| pdanek | Because I thought, why Nokia haven't released any keyboard WP. | 18:39 |
| tigeli | pdanek: wrong channel :D | 18:39 |
| pdanek | :D | 18:39 |
| pdanek | this is my only trusted channel | 18:39 |
| pdanek | :P | 18:39 |
| * javispedro sighs at a useless shortlog because of a bot gone rogue: https://www.codeaurora.org/cgit/quic/la/platform/external/wpa_supplicant_8/log/?h=LNX.LA.2.7.3 | 18:43 | |
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| tigeli | :D | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | you should check out codeaurora a bit more | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's an impressive place | 18:44 |
| javispedro | yeah, I found esoundD source files in the motoG kernel sources =) | 18:45 |
| javispedro | they're not built, but they just tarball'd them. god knows what are they using esoundD for. | 18:45 |
| tigeli | there are bunch of coex fixes in the codeaurora too | 18:45 |
| javispedro | yeah, that's probably btcoex daemon, I've seen kernel side of it | 18:47 |
| javispedro | for some reason it doesn't seem required on jolla hw, as someone I've not yet identified has subsumed its functions | 18:48 |
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| javispedro | e.g. connecting to AD2P headset generates a "WLAN_COEX_IND_TYPE_SCANS_ARE_COMPROMISED_BY_COEX" msg from HAL | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. which HAL? | 18:52 |
| javispedro | I have the same question. | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | that smells like something we're not doing | 18:53 |
| javispedro | but this from Jolla's log. | 18:53 |
| javispedro | "someone" is doing it. | 18:53 |
| javispedro | I don't know if the functionality of the abtfilt/btcoex daemons has either been moved to another qcom daemon, put into the kernel, or even into the fw | 18:54 |
| javispedro | but someone is definitely doing sth :) | 18:54 |
| wazd | heya all | 18:54 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: "this" HAL: https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-msm-mako-3.4-kitkat-mr0/drivers/staging/prima/riva/inc/wlan_hal_msg.h | 18:55 |
| javispedro | heya wazd | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 18:56 |
| javispedro | btw for completeness, to enable tracing on stock prima driver.... iwpriv wlan0 setwlandbg $N 8 1 | 18:58 |
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| javispedro | where $N is a number from 0..12 which indicates "submodule" | 18:58 |
| javispedro | (since the interfaces between those submodules seem totally random, I suggest just enabling them all :) ) | 18:59 |
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| tigeli | javispedro: I've been using 5 8 1, 6 8 1 and 7 8 1 for debugging wlan/bt coex | 19:00 |
| tigeli | javispedro: and qxdm with diag_mdlog & approriate filters | 19:01 |
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| javispedro | tigeli: 8 8 1 ("WDA") seems to dump contents of coex messages | 19:07 |
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| javispedro | I think I will try setting up the oss prima driver, and then start randomly ifdef'ing out lines of code | 19:08 |
| javispedro | fight crazyness with crazyness! | 19:09 |
| tigeli | javispedro: ok | 19:09 |
| javispedro | my only clue is the heartbeat timer, which seems to be the only difference in btcoex messages between a nonLE scan and a LE scan | 19:12 |
| javispedro | so that's what I'm going to ripoff first :) | 19:12 |
| javispedro | well, thanks for comments and cya, bll. | 19:13 |
| javispedro | *bbl | 19:13 |
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| pdanek | Which glass screen ratio is more durable by physics, 1:1 (square) or 1.7:1 (Jolla)? | 19:32 |
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| Quu | 0:0 is best. | 19:45 |
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| Quu | use stainless steel, that shit aint gonna broke | 19:46 |
| pdanek | :) | 19:51 |
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| pdanek1 | Does anyone install from Google Play on everyday basis? Is it safe? | 20:27 |
| coderus | pdanek1: safe | 20:29 |
| suy | Isn't required for that some stuff which doesn't come from, let's say "standard", sources? | 20:31 |
| pdanek1 | coderus: Is the procedure on elinux.org/Jolla up to date? especially the gapps-jb-20121011-signed.zip? | 20:31 |
| coderus | pdanek1: sure. it will be updated automatically from store after | 20:32 |
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| pdanek | Lol, just tried the game Siika, it's very odd. :D | 21:11 |
| entil | pdanek: it's based on a local yet old enough to be forgotten meme :D | 21:15 |
| entil | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugl42dbJyz0 probably, can't watch now | 21:15 |
| entil | because good night -> | 21:15 |
| pdanek | watching | 21:18 |
| pdanek | lol | 21:19 |
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| pdanek | Does Qualcomm document their chips less than Intel does? | 21:47 |
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| javispedro | what is this doc-u-ment-a-tion you speak of? | 22:08 |
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| RST38h | Moo, javispedro | 22:11 |
| javispedro | hello | 22:12 |
| javispedro | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/wcn36xx another driver for prima seemingly, and much cleaner. | 22:18 |
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