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| cameris | Hi, I'm using a c++ class set as root context in qml. The class contains a QList which I'm using as model for a ListView. The delegates have a ContextMenu and remorseAction that call the class to remove an index, ofc this emits a signal. When this happens the view always jumps to the first item in the view. Is this normal behaiviour? Shouldn't the screen stay where it is? | 09:13 |
| cameris | oh, wrong channel, sry. | 09:14 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | made 2 high contrast ambiance wallpapers for better readability outside. https://together.jolla.com/question/44887/high-contrast-ambiences-summer-ready/ | 12:44 |
| gexc | Cool | 12:46 |
| gexc | how about a green one | 12:47 |
| gexc | the green on the jolla screen looks really nice | 12:47 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | done ;) | 12:49 |
| gexc | great ;-) | 12:51 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC__: you need to create complete ambience with suitable font colors also :) | 13:24 |
| coderus | why everybody creating ambiences with just wallpapers? | 13:24 |
| coderus | its useless without proper font colors | 13:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, too much hassle :) it uses the highlight color from the grid and other text color is white and grey, which are perfect on black | 13:25 |
| Morpog_PC__ | if there was a harbour section for ambiences, then I would do the work | 13:26 |
| coderus | i wont use your "ambiences" (which are not aniences, but just wallpaper file) unless you pack it in rpm with proper font colors :) | 13:26 |
| Morpog_PC__ | :D | 13:26 |
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| gexc | is it safe to use a 2A charger for jolla? | 14:48 |
| leinir | i've used my 2A blackberry charger for it without trouble :) | 14:49 |
| gexc | :D | 14:49 |
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| gexc | well it seems the charging rate is similar | 14:55 |
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| pdanek | Do you think Ubuntu Touch will get popular? | 15:05 |
| pdanek | Or it will fail? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | define 'fail' | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | things don't change overnight for any new OS'es | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | android nearly went bankrupt before it was bought by google | 15:06 |
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| pdanek | hm | 15:06 |
| pdanek | Amazon buys Jolla! | 15:07 |
| vgrade | http://meizufans.eu/meizu-to-showcase-their-mx3-ubuntu-phone-at-mobile-asia-expo-2014/ points to some traction | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | the question is rather in stages: when will it ship it's first product that proves it can be certified by FCC/CE/operators/etc, when will it be taken up by an operator and sold through their channels, when will it appear in retail, when is it a global offering.. | 15:08 |
| faiden | Seems like If i dont have webcat open 24/7 My battery is around 70% at the end of the day instead of 12% | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | and of course, how do they scale up to multiple products and multiple deadlines, deal with operator requirements, etc.. | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: well, they had a demo already at MWC afaik | 15:10 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: did you also have sf on mx | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | no, that was xiaomi | 15:11 |
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| gexc | hmm, it seems many users are more interested in the hw of meizu rather than the ubuntu os | 15:11 |
| vgrade | but mx 3 close to jolla spec | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | a xiaomi mi2s ~= a nexus 4 | 15:12 |
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| pdanek | vgrade: mx3 close to jolla spec? :O mx3 is like the company's flagship | 15:31 |
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| vgrade | pdanek: yea I see now. | 15:31 |
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| pdanek | The Meizu MX3 features 2GB of RAM, up to 128GB of storage,, and a Samsung Exynos 5410 octa-core processor, and an 1800 x 1080 pixel display. | 15:36 |
| pdanek | octa-core :O | 15:36 |
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| pdanek | I wonder, with such HW specs, which will go higher and higher every year, it won't really matter how much lightweight the OS is. It can be bloated with java as hell, yet it will be fast and responsive. | 15:45 |
| pdanek | Also I wonder, what will be the next big thing that will happen in terms of HW, because getting higher and higher specs is not the way. Will it be something like Google ARA? | 15:47 |
| gexc | meanwhile bloatwares grow as well ;-) | 15:47 |
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| pdanek | Aren't you guys so excited about Google Ara? That's the biggest thing that could happen in smartphone industry, isn't it? | 15:50 |
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| faenil | yeah :) | 15:52 |
| pdanek | Did anyone of you considered having split-screen feature in Sailfish? | 15:58 |
| pdanek | Rumors say it's coming to iOS8 and BB10. | 16:00 |
| Morpog_PC___ | on a smartphone? sounds like bullshit | 16:02 |
| pdanek | With bigger and bigger screens, why bullshit? | 16:03 |
| Morpog_PC___ | still | 16:03 |
| Aard | pdanek: the specs go higher and higher on high and middle end devices, while the traditional simple phones slowly start getting replaced by similarly priced smartphones -- with quite crappy specs | 16:03 |
| Morpog_PC___ | pdanek, because screens won't get indefinetly bigger | 16:04 |
| Morpog_PC___ | there is a limit called pocket size | 16:04 |
| Morpog_PC___ | ever tried to carry a 7" tablet in your pocket? :D | 16:05 |
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| pdanek | Morpog_PC___: I usually carry my laptop everywhere with me, in backpack :D so I have just phone and laptop | 16:06 |
| Morpog_PC___ | well, thats a laptop and not a smartphone | 16:06 |
| * gexc waiting for easy-(debian/opensuse...) on sailfish | 16:06 | |
| gexc | is running a window manager on the phone considered 'split-screen'? | 16:08 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | well in the future you might be able to stretch your phone to tablet size and so on | 16:11 |
| pdanek | the split screen multitasking is when you can operate 2 apps at the same time in single screen | 16:12 |
| Morpog_PC___ | future != ios8 and bb10 :D | 16:12 |
| pdanek | :) | 16:12 |
| pdanek | IOS is running on QNX! :P | 16:13 |
| gexc | well in a more distant future phones are plugged in our brainz... | 16:13 |
| pdanek | gexc: yet we will still call it "phones"!!! | 16:13 |
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| gexc | maybe call it 'communication addons' | 16:15 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | or eyePhones | 16:16 |
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| pdanek | eyePhone was in South Park :) | 16:17 |
| pdanek | or wait | 16:17 |
| pdanek | in Futurama? | 16:17 |
| pdanek | in Futurama! | 16:17 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | futurama | 16:17 |
| * javispedro sighs, why there are esound daemon source files mixed with the motoG kernel sources? | 16:18 | |
| wmarone | evil voodoo or sloppiness. your pick | 16:18 |
| javispedro | total stupidity of everyone involved, ofc | 16:21 |
| * javispedro continues going deeper in | 16:21 | |
| tbr | to spite you, obviously | 16:21 |
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| pdanek | I also wonder, if Blackphone can become popular as an enterprise phone. | 16:26 |
| pdanek | To potentially replace BlackBerry's position in being the most secure on the market. | 16:27 |
| Morpog_PC___ | android is horrible for mdm solutions imo | 16:27 |
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| pdanek | Morpog_PC___: well, anything can be achieved on Android in no time, right? the pockets are deep | 16:36 |
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| pdanek | http://www.enterpriseios.com/story/2014/06/02/iOS_8_Brings_Significant_New_Enterprise_Features_Heres_a_Summary | 16:37 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | ios is already pretty good for mdm, but was horrible in early versions as well | 16:40 |
| pdanek | h | 16:41 |
| pdanek | hm | 16:41 |
| pdanek | Do you think wearing a suite in business environment will disappear within next 100 years? | 16:41 |
| pdanek | As the world is getting more casual, doesn't it? | 16:42 |
| javispedro | http://www.futurama-madhouse.com/fashion/309-bluesuit.jpg | 16:43 |
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| danielbeck | hello! I developed a Mahjong game (Name: Green Mahjong). I published it on Firefox and Ubuntu Touch. I would like to publish it now in the Jolla app store. However, I'm a little bit lost her. I found that application can be submitted on "http://harbour.jolla.com". | 17:02 |
| danielbeck | However, what i did not found is a list of applications that are already in the jolla store. Isn't there something like an online application market available? | 17:04 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | danielbeck, unfortunately no | 17:07 |
| FireFly | ooh, mahjong for my jolla | 17:07 |
| danielbeck | FireFly: Its about that game: http://daniel-beck.org/greenmahjong/ | 17:08 |
| danielbeck | Morpog_PC___: Could you look which Mahjong games are already available on Jolla? | 17:08 |
| FireFly | aha, Taipei? (I think is what the solitaire game is called) | 17:08 |
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| danielbeck | FireFly: Yes, solitaire mahjong. No "normal" mahjong. | 17:09 |
| FireFly | danielbeck: searching for "mahjong" gives no results, for what it's worth | 17:09 |
| Morpog_PC___ | danielbeck, none | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC___ | but 1000s of andr | 17:10 |
| danielbeck | OK. I try out to publish it in the store. I hope that it will work. | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC___ | but 1000s of android ones | 17:10 |
| danielbeck | Morpog_PC___: what is andr? | 17:10 |
| danielbeck | ah, ok. | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC___ | my cat happened | 17:11 |
| FireFly | :D | 17:11 |
| danielbeck | are they also listed in the jolla store? | 17:11 |
| Morpog_PC___ | no | 17:11 |
| danielbeck | Another question: do you have an idea how much users jolla has? | 17:13 |
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| Acce | something between 1 and inf | 17:24 |
| danielbeck | :-) | 17:25 |
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| pdanek | danielbeck: A good question, Jolla should reveal number of downloads for each app in Jolla store, then we could get rough number of sales based on downloads of official Jolla apps | 17:26 |
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| kimmoli | those were real in the beginning, now obfuscated to 1000+ | 17:26 |
| Acce | before they were hidden, I think Android support had been installed 20k times.. | 17:26 |
| pdanek | I hoped Jolla being much more open against the community. | 17:29 |
| pdanek | It doesn't seem to be more open than any other smartphone company. | 17:29 |
| pdanek | But it's understandable I guess. | 17:30 |
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| vgrade | pdanek: when has sales volume anything to do with community | 17:30 |
| pdanek | that was a bit offtopic | 17:30 |
| pdanek | :D | 17:31 |
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| pdanek | but maybe I'm wrong, some features in new updates are based on TJC | 17:32 |
| pdanek | so it's a bit community connected | 17:32 |
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| faenil | pdanek, also we have almost 24/7 real-time support and feedback channels (which actually listen), that's not only a bit connected :p | 17:34 |
| danielbeck | I don't really know the amount of FirefoxOS users, however the community is really quite active. I got about 300 downloads one day after publishing the app and only "5 stars ratings". | 17:35 |
| danielbeck | So, I hope that it will be similar with Jolla :-) | 17:35 |
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| faenil | not bad :) | 17:39 |
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| pdanek | Best phone for SAP admins? Which one would you think of? | 17:52 |
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| danielbeck | OK, Green Mahjong has been submitted to harbour for QA. | 18:31 |
| pdanek1 | Mahjong! The hype! | 18:31 |
| pdanek1 | I spent hours with Mahjong on N900. | 18:32 |
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| danielbeck | :-) | 18:32 |
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| danielbeck | I played Shangai Mahjongg a lot, years ago | 18:32 |
| danielbeck | on the amiga | 18:33 |
| danielbeck | However, I don't know how long the QA process takes. Perhabs this will take several weeks. | 18:34 |
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| pdanek1 | several weeks? what? :O | 18:36 |
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| danielbeck | I don't know, I never did that for Jolla. For firefox, it took 6 days. | 18:36 |
| danielbeck | Btw, what is the name of the Jolla application store? | 18:37 |
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| danielbeck | I would like to put an annoucement on Reddit when the application is published. | 18:37 |
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| FireFly | "Store" is what it says in the app grid, but I'm pretty sure "Harbour" is considered to be the name of it | 18:38 |
| FireFly | or Jolla Harbour or something | 18:38 |
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| pdanek1 | http://youtu.be/I9mnUl9v1wI | 18:39 |
| Acce | danielbeck: Your app will be published probably Monday or Tuesday, at best it's 24 hours on a business day, mostly 2-3 days in my experience | 18:41 |
| danielbeck | Acce: That would be pretty fast. Thanks for the information. | 18:44 |
| danielbeck | The publishing process was quite easy until now. | 18:45 |
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| pdanek1 | danielbeck: Do you see the publishing process better than on FF OS so far? | 18:54 |
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| FireFly | It'd be nice to dual-boot Sailfish and FxOS, to try it out | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | well, personal opinion, i've tried firefox os, i wasn't terribly impressed | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | while i might have a bias, i'm also a phone user.. | 19:17 |
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| Anz_ | despite 'philosophical' allegiance, and wish for its success, i have this 'feeling' ..something isnt right about Mozilla these days. even the least relevant things like those round icons look very unappealing :( | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's not terribly lot to work with on 320x480 devices | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | i've seen 320x480 sailfish on same spec.. it's about effort | 19:25 |
| * tbr is just sad about mozilla, they seem to be making a lot of bad decisions | 19:29 | |
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| tbr | betting big on fxos being one of them | 19:29 |
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| RzR | hi | 19:32 |
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| RzR | back from tizen conf | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | how did it go? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, mozilla.. what else would they do in a world that's getting increasingily mobile; web-based desktop OS'es are conquered by chromeOS; and PCs used less | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure if they had any other choice, due to the control points and power struggles in android and other os'es for default browser.. | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | i think they should have aimed for a crosswalk runtime like approach with ffos though | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | they would have had a larger market by now from that | 19:35 |
| RzR | Stskeeps, was great to see actual products (nfs yet but at least it's there) | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 19:37 |
| RzR | Stskeeps, and I discovered ultra closed linux products like tizen gear | 19:37 |
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| RzR | but was rooted by xda ;) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | well, is there really any surprise in that.. | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, at least gear 1 had open kernel and open bootloader.. | 19:37 |
| RzR | will try if samsung gear pairs with jolla om android stack | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | android stack doesn't grok bt | 19:37 |
| RzR | that's what I feared ... can this be reported somewhere ? | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's a feature that's not there | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | aren't you the kind of person who's more likely to hack it and get your own non-samsung ui on it? ;) | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i did with my gear 1 | 19:39 |
| RzR | yes I saw that you ran qt cinematic experience on it isnt it ? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't get much further with it, still re-evaluating why i'm doing it | 19:40 |
| RzR | :) | 19:40 |
| RzR | btw are there work in progress w/ xbmc on meego/mer etc ? | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | haven't played with that since i went wayland | 19:41 |
| RzR | then I'll have a look how good is wl support on it | 19:42 |
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| pp | some support seems to be upstream, suppose people will bother polishing it once the desktop distros finally do it fully | 19:47 |
| pp | someone seems to be doing sailfish support for a xbmc remote thing too | 19:47 |
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| danielbeck | pdanek1: The publishing process of an app in itself was easier. What isn't that nice however is that I cannot see how the app will look like in the store. | 20:25 |
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| danielbeck | pdanek1: And what I really miss is an online store, where I can see how applications look like (for example, how the icons look like). | 20:26 |
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| Oldmanbeefjerky | hi all, im looking to replace my crappy phone, can someone help me find, or help me know what to look for, in buying a new phone | 21:30 |
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| Oldmanbeefjerky | i only have a few things i need out of the phone, wifi hotspot, at least 2-3 days battery life on standby, and can have the facebook app without freezing or ever ever being slow | 21:31 |
| Oldmanbeefjerky | how would you rate the htc desire 310? | 21:31 |
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