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camerisI got a question about Flickable and it's inheriting Classes. Currently flicking stops at first/last content. Is it possible to add a padding area so that for example I can flick to first content-item to about half of the screen? Would be nice so I don't have to reposition my (rather small) hand on the phone and reach all contetn-items.07:21
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coderuscameris: please use #sailfishos for coding questions ;)07:38
camerisok, thx.07:39
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faenilmorning o/07:58
Stskeepsmorn faenil07:58
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wazdfaenil: woo07:58
faenilwoo :D07:58
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Sceltupdate?08:36
stephgScelt: n. an act of updating something or someone with new information08:37
stephgn. a new form of something that existed at an earlier time08:37
Scelt;-)08:38
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stephgHTH, HAND etc. ;)08:40
Jope:-D08:41
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faenilwhy @JollaHQ doesn't post such....info??09:12
faenilhttps://together.jolla.com/question/44741/official-announcement-maintenance-on-jolla-account-and-store-services/09:12
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Stskeepsfaenil: looks like i got informed same time as together.* was09:13
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faenilStskeeps, should that make the situation better? .p09:16
ggabrielfaenil: it was posted in tjc?09:18
ggabrieli saw it this morning in the email09:18
faenilggabriel, that's because you subscribed to "announcement" tag or what09:19
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ggabrielfaenil: i have no idea ,worked ootb09:26
ggabrielfaenil: oh, sorry, i saw it in the rss feed09:26
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camerisThe Speaker on my Jolla (not Loudspeaker, the one you hold on your ear) is too silent, so that even in a quiet enviroment I can hardly hear people on the phone. Volume is at max. Is this normal or is my phone defect?11:06
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BysmyyrI think defect11:07
camerishmm11:07
Stskeepscameris: contact care?11:07
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tobiskiI have no trouble hearing people during phone calls if the volume is at adequate level11:07
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cameriswhere can i contact care?11:08
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chriadamhttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us11:10
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dunphttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/us-business/microsofts-new-boss-can-hang-up-on-nokia/article18990836/12:16
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ggabrielthat would deserve a lol (if it happens)12:18
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AardSail0r: result of last night was that openssl fix goes to u712:22
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Sail0rAard: nice12:24
dr_gogeta86Aard, great ....12:28
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pdanekIs anyone here excited about Tizen release?13:38
dr_gogeta86me13:39
ggabrielnot me...13:40
ggabrieli mean it's good for competition and everything, but samsung is not particularly good at doing good ux13:40
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ggabrielso it's gonna be yet another ios copy13:40
ggabrielprolly more litigation13:40
dr_gogeta86ggabriel, mocking android .... Easy wayout13:40
pdanekhm13:41
dr_gogeta86even on keys13:41
ggabrieldr_gogeta86: like i said, competition is good13:41
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ggabrielbut technically it's unexciting13:41
dr_gogeta86i dunno13:41
pdanekWould you go for Android or Tizen? If you have to choose between13:41
ggabrielnone of them13:41
dr_gogeta86my girlfriend hate jolla and even n913:41
dr_gogeta86due the lack of buttons13:41
ggabrieldr_gogeta86: that's ok... everybody's different13:41
dr_gogeta86many people look for central button13:41
ggabrielin a way, it's better for you as she won't nick your jolla :P13:41
dr_gogeta86she hate jolla phone13:42
dr_gogeta86but if jakko roppola is here13:42
dr_gogeta86better to don't read13:42
ggabrielmany people eat vegetables, which is good as there's more meat for me13:42
dr_gogeta86she says fonts are ugly poorly rendered13:42
ggabrielin essence, not sure what tizen introduces as innovative13:42
ggabrielhopefully tizen is more tweakable than android13:42
dr_gogeta86multitask13:42
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dr_gogeta86io wanna create a shareui plugin without using real device13:43
ggabrielyeah, but we had multitasking for decades ;)13:43
dr_gogeta86*I13:43
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ggabrielalso, if tizen uses mer, maybe samsung can contribute back13:43
ggabrielwhich would be good13:44
ggabrielbut i'm not sure as to what the policy is there13:44
Stskeepsit doesn't use mer13:44
dr_gogeta86and hybris?13:44
ggabrielok, so it's just a fork/derivative/whatever13:44
Stskeepsnot afaik13:44
ggabrielwhy would it use hybris?13:44
ggabrielsamsung can make their own drivers13:44
dr_gogeta86I hope they don't use X like their cameras13:44
dr_gogeta86samsung cameras expose X.org 7000 over wifi13:45
ggabriel\o/13:45
dr_gogeta86whitout security13:45
dr_gogeta86export DISPLAY=IPOFTHECAM=:013:45
dr_gogeta86firefox13:45
dr_gogeta86boom13:45
ggabrieli'm excited about sailfish's update toh13:46
ggabrieltho even13:46
ggabrieli wanna try 4g13:46
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pdanekRegardless of UX.13:46
SK_workggabriel: radio switches13:46
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pdanekDo you consider the OS way less technically advanced than Sailfish?13:46
dr_gogeta86I expect many iteration from now till december13:46
ggabrielSK_work: meaning?13:47
pdanekdr_gogeta86: iteration?13:47
dr_gogeta86milestones release13:47
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ggabrielpdanek: i don't have enough background, and would need to play with it, and that requires buying a samsung device, which i don't do because i don't like samsung :P13:47
dr_gogeta86not bugfixing upgrades13:47
SK_workggabriel: go to openrepos and search for radio swiches13:47
ggabrielSK_work: ah, yeah, no, i don't do the radio switch in case there's a bug etc13:48
pdanekggabriel: Do you like Google?13:48
ggabrieldon't want to risk blacklisting jolla devices13:48
dr_gogeta86https://openrepos.net/content/penguin/radio-switcher13:48
ggabrielpdanek: nope13:48
SK_workand maybe Qt on it13:48
* SK_work want Samsung Z + BB Q10 + Ubuntu something13:48
SK_worktried cascades though13:48
SK_workjust to try13:49
SK_workand it's :(13:49
ggabrieli wouldn't mind a bb q10 myself either13:49
ggabrielsadly, my company doesn't give those for biz use13:49
SK_workQ5 if Q10 is too expensive13:49
SK_workbut a kbd is never a bad thing13:49
ggabrielnot at all13:49
ggabrielespecially for work phones that are used for emails 70% of the time13:50
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ggabrieland shortcuts are awesome13:50
ggabrieljust awesome13:50
SK_workggabriel: + texting13:50
ggabrielr = reply13:50
ggabrielf = forward13:50
* SK_work comes from E71 / E63 background13:50
ggabrielyup13:50
SK_work=> SK_work misses kbd13:50
ggabrieli used previous bb's13:50
ggabrieli do miss the wheel tho13:51
ggabrielthe wheel + arkanoid game13:51
SK_workggabriel: IMHO old BBs were not to the level of Nokia E13:51
ggabrielwell, wasn't arkanoid, was something similar to the old c-64 arkanoid13:51
SK_workE71 = so good :)13:51
ggabrielSK_work: nokia E feels good, yeah13:51
ggabrielbut never used them properly13:51
ggabrielalso, no wheel :P13:51
SK_workthey have a nice kbd13:51
ggabrielvery nice indeed13:51
SK_workwant a kbd Jolla13:52
SK_worknot lame landscape kbd13:52
ggabrielmaybe one day :)13:52
SK_worka good old portrait kbd13:52
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Sail0rgo update go14:01
Sail0r;)14:02
dr_gogeta86now way14:02
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dr_gogeta86*no14:02
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gexcso not today? :-/14:04
netzviehgexc: well it's not 6pm there yet :D14:05
gexcLOL14:05
netzviehIt will come today :) (I BELIEVE!)14:06
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ppblame openssl if it's not!14:10
FireFlyI don't think it will14:10
FireFlyprolly monday or tuesday14:11
netzviehpp: naaah, there's two possibilities, it's in there today, or it will come as hotfix next week14:11
netzviehdon't be so pessimistic! There's sunshine, it's warm and it's weekend :)14:12
cb400fuh, can't wait for the launcher folders!14:12
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ppnetzvieh: it's supposedly in14:12
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WntThe update wont come today: https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/#comment-4481814:13
gexcO_O14:14
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Nicd-oh yes, stability fixes14:14
Nicd-2nd day of tethering, still works really well14:15
FireFlyAh, okay14:15
FireFly"We won't release today to be able to take fixes for https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt into the release.14:15
FireFlyAard (7 mins ago)14:15
Nicd-haven't had to reconnect at any point either14:15
FireFly"14:15
FireFly(quoting, because the anchor in Wnt's link doesn't work properly because you need to press "show more comments" for the comment to appear... silly tjc-powering software)14:15
netzvieh:'(14:16
javispedro since there won't be a july update, you'll be stuck with whatever new "features" appear on this release14:16
javispedrofor at least two months14:16
gexcwell so at least it is REALLY soon14:16
javispedroso I'd be patient  :)14:16
Aardjavispedro: there will be a july update14:16
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Nicd-that's a good reason for delaying the update IMO14:16
Aardjavispedro: the one after that will be moved14:16
javispedroAard, oh, so which one was the one missing?14:16
javispedrook14:16
w00t(technically we missed one already, but..)14:17
FireFly:P14:17
Aardwe aim to release u8 in early july, then go on vacation, and do the next release in late august/early september14:17
FireFlyWell to be fair OpenSSL security issues and the like aren't at all within jolla's control14:17
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gexcshould that paper under the battery be remove after the update?14:17
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FireFlyI'll probably try it without paper for a bit and see what happens14:18
netzviehI'd like to know the reasoning behind this though ... we have a vulnerable version now. And we will until the update is out. (monday?) by monday there could've been a hotfix aswell, if they released today ... *confused*14:18
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Nicd-Aard: much love to all of you, I for one think the update cycle is surprisingly fast and the phone has improved a ton14:19
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netzviehbut I still love Jolla :D14:20
PlntAard: thanks for the info regarding the update on TJC. fingers crossed for the update testing and hope you'll release it soon :)14:20
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Aardnetzvieh: generally you're right, but it's cleaner doing it like this. plus there's another reason I'd prefer not having a hotfix out for u7 now (you'll see next week)14:21
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netzviehAard: I trust you have good reasons :) and can't wait for next week.14:22
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AardNicd-: I'm not satisfied yet ;)14:23
gexcworld-cup-special-hotfix?14:23
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Nicd-Aard: perfectionist? :) tbh, I know there's still a lot to do but I want to give you credit for doing big things already14:26
AardNicd-: well, it took lots of effort to get things in order (which as a result got u7 ready early enough to go for the 'skip u6'). but it's just a starting point for process improvements14:27
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pdanekggabriel: Do you like Blackberry?14:59
pdanekSK_work: "SK_work: a good old portrait kbd" --> BlackBerry Windermere is what you want.15:00
SK_workpdanek: no15:03
SK_workthat's not what I want :(15:03
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SK_work3 rows hwkbd, are you kidding me ? :O15:03
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Bawaluh so, my screen just went black in the midst of use and the led blinked green rapidly15:08
Bawalit didn't reboot tho, window manager crashed for some reason?15:08
pdanekSK_work: N900 had 3 rows.15:08
Bawaldoes someone know what the rapid green light blinking means15:08
pdanekThis one will have gestures additionally.15:08
pdanekPhysical keys with capacitive top, so gestures directly on physical KBD.15:08
SK_workpdanek: E71 had more15:08
SK_work4 rows15:08
SK_worknot to speak about E63 that have marks keys + torch15:09
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SK_workBawal: lipstick failing to start15:09
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tbrBawal: most of the time a lipstick restart due to crash15:09
SK_workor something like that15:09
giucamgreen blincking is lipstick starting up15:09
Bawalok thanks15:11
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WntI'd love to have a keyboard other half with a similar keyboard layout that the Nokia 9300 has: http://cdn9.fonearena.com/photos/albums/nokia/9300_1.jpg16:05
WntIt has all the nice modifier keys that one need when using terminal based applications: Esc, Tab, Ctrl and the Chr key could propably be used as Alt16:06
Wntthe click feedback and "feel" of the keys is not the best ever, but the layout is pretty nice16:08
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Bawalstore down again?16:20
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coderusWnt: +116:40
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coderusWnt: i like S80 times :)16:41
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faenilhola chicos :)16:44
faenilany news?16:45
Wntfaenil: about the update?16:45
faenilnot only :)16:45
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Wntwell about the update: "We won't release today to be able to take fixes for https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt into the release." https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/#comment-4481816:49
faenilaw..16:50
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ggabrielwill i actually have to go out this weekend... :P16:53
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Bawalsomething's up, at least with my device16:55
Bawalafter the lipstick crash my store doesn't recognize my jolla account, can't sign in, mitakuuluu can't authenticate..16:56
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Sailor-2getherwow Jolla crashed after changing wlan channel on ap18:49
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Stskeepsdefine crashed18:52
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Sail0rcould not connect to any networks anymore19:01
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Stskeepssure it wasn't b vs g?19:03
Stskeepsor something19:03
Sail0rand lipstick became unresponsive everytime a network related app was checking connection19:03
Sail0rswitch from channel 6 to 119:03
Sail0r*switched19:03
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lpotterhaven't heard that one before...19:05
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Sail0rnever tried that before ^^19:05
tigelilpotter: it could be related to "ap disappering" suddenly..19:06
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Sail0rhttp://fpaste.org/107892/14020816/19:07
lpotterI've got too many figgin wires on my desk...19:07
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Sail0rand afterwards I see many of this: Jun 06 20:46:52 jolla alien_bridge_se[870]: NetworkTechnology::propertyChanged   --- Jun 06 20:46:52 jolla alien_bridge_se[870]: WifiModel::updateServiceList  and jolla-email[2205]: [D] EmailAgent::onOnlineStateChanged:415 - void EmailAgent::onOnlineStateChanged(bool) Online State changed, device is now connected ?  false  and msyncd[1319]: [W] Buteo::NetworkManager::slotSessionError:2119:13
Sail0r6 - QNetworkSession::UnknownSessionError19:13
Sail0rbut it's not a big problem only wanted to know if it's known19:13
Sail0rmy kindle fire hd silently crashed and rebooted19:14
Sail0rso jolla is still better *g*19:14
slateIs there any news out yet about Myriad-Group license for other than Jolla(tm) Sailfish OS devices?19:14
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lpotterSail0r: I can't reproduce a crash, but I do run into the 'connman wont autoconnect to a service with failure error' bug that I've been working on19:21
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lpotterhmm. that time, it just took some time to reconnect19:22
Sail0rlpotter: maybe it's that. What happens when you run in the "not autoconnecting situation" and do a twitter update (which I did because I did not look at the connection state)19:22
Sail0rmy lipstick hung for about a minute until it gave up19:23
lpotterSail0r: what version of sailfish?19:24
Sail0r1.5.1919:24
faenilsounds like a blocking dbus call :D19:24
Sail0r*1.0.5.19 sry always forgetting the 0 in between ;)19:24
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* Stskeeps makes himself a nice big glass of martini19:25
slate007-stylz?19:25
lpotter:) I knew what you meant19:25
lpotterSail0r: all I can say, is update when the update is released :)19:26
Sail0raye aye :)19:26
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Bawaldunno if i can get mine, store and jolla account bugged :<19:27
Bawalhope i won't have to reset19:27
Bawalthe device19:27
Sail0rare there many people with the empty "my apps" problem?19:28
Sail0rbecause I know two jolla owners where that happend19:28
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Sail0rhttps://together.jolla.com/question/44837/bug-my-apps-in-jolla-store-is-empty/19:28
Bawalwhen i try to open the store it won't even log me in, it's telling me i don't have an account19:29
Sail0rdid you delete and readd the account on your jolla?19:29
Sail0rare you able to login here: https://account.jolla.com/registration/login/ ?19:30
Bawalwhen i select "sign in" from the pulley menu it tells me that the account already exists on my phone and that account can't be created because of that, it's like its trying to _create_ an account no matter what you select from the menu19:30
Bawalyes i can log in there, i tried that19:30
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Bawali haven't deleted any accounts19:31
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Bawalalso if i try to check updates on settings -> system -> about product -> pulley, it doesn't seem to do anything19:33
stephggood evening folks19:33
* stephg sips wine, turns oven on for pizza19:34
Bawalhello there19:34
Sail0rhm sounds weird19:35
Sail0rwhat does the log say?19:35
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faenilBawal, I think that's because the repos are already fresh19:37
faenilit's not that it doesn't do anything, it just doesn't *have* anything to do19:37
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Bawalfaenil: then, usually, it shows "up to date" text on the product info19:39
Bawalnow it does not do anything19:39
Bawaldoes not even log in to the store even though the account info is correct on the device19:40
Sail0rBawal: have a look in the journal19:40
Sail0rand maybe try a pkcon refresh to see if that still works19:40
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Bawalpkcon refresh seems to stop in "refreshing software list" 0%19:44
Bawalo wait19:45
Bawaltook minutes to get to 40%19:45
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Bawalmessage: connection-refused19:47
Sail0roO19:47
Bawalstore credentials not received19:47
Bawalso, it doesn't recognize my jolla account, like it doesn't on the store app19:48
Bawal:<19:48
stephgBawal: 3G or wireless? is the internet functional on your phone?19:48
Bawaldoesn't matter what the connection is, same result on 3g and wlan19:48
Bawalemail, twitter, reddit, browser working19:48
Bawalstore's not19:49
stephghm19:49
stephg(and you're on a network that you know (e.g. home/work etc.)?19:49
Bawalyes19:50
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Bawalthis happened after lipstick crashed and restarted19:50
stephgyou've not rebooted the phone since (just asking)19:50
Bawali have rebooted the device twice after that but no effect on jolla account issues19:50
stephgah19:51
stephgok19:51
stephgand also oh19:51
Bawalwell, i've grown up with windows19:51
stephghehe19:51
Bawali've gotten used to fix the problems with reboot19:51
Bawal;<19:51
Bawali also updated mitakuuluu before the lipstick crash19:52
Bawalafterwards it hasn't been able to login19:52
stephgneither should upset the store long term, when lipstick died was the store open btw?19:52
Bawalno19:52
specialwhat does 'ssu s' say?19:53
Bawalnot registered19:53
Bawalrelease: latest19:53
specialstephg: can you see what it says on a normal sales device?19:53
stephgsec19:53
Bawali'm pretty 110% sure i've registered it19:54
stephgdoesn't say release latest19:54
specialwhat is it?19:55
stephgdevice is not registered, but it lists the model, EMEI and the release as what it is for me, 1.0.5.1919:55
faenilBawal, that's not the registration you're think it is :)19:55
specialyeah, 'not registered' is expected19:55
Bawaloh ok19:55
Bawalok19:55
specialBawal: sounds like you need.. 'ssu re 1.0.5.19' as root, maybe?19:55
* special is just guessing here19:55
faenil+1 to special19:55
Bawalwill try, it should be 1.0.5.19 according to product settings but it could be the warehouse has done something fishy19:56
specialseems like you somehow ended up on the wrong release channel, 'latest' is what it would be if you were using internal credentials19:56
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Bawalyeah19:57
stephg\o/ pizza19:57
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Bawaldid ssu re etc, now ssu s shows the release correctly, but jolla account still doesn't work20:03
Bawalcurrently trying what does pkcon refresh say20:03
Bawalatm seems it hasn't changed20:04
tigeliBawal: what does "ssu domain" say?20:04
Bawaltigeli: sales20:07
Bawalwhich i presume is what it should be20:08
tigeliBawal: yes20:09
tigeliBawal: ssu up / ssu up -f ?20:10
Bawaldevice is not registered, can't update credentials20:12
tigeliBawal: have you tried removing the jolla-account from the device and re-creating it?20:13
Bawalno20:13
Bawalwill try20:13
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Bawallol, so That's what needed to be done after 'ssu re version'20:16
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Bawalat least the store seems to be working now20:16
stephgyey20:16
Bawalthank you very much <320:17
tigeliBawal: np20:19
tigeliBawal: actually recreating the account refreshed the store-password20:19
tigelior.. store-token for needed to access the store20:19
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Bawalwonder what messed that up20:22
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