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| covox | god damnit | 01:19 |
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| covox | now apple are trying to throw openGL under the bus | 01:19 |
| covox | however no-one cares because there's a chance they're throwing objective C under the bus too | 01:19 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | morning peeps | 07:57 |
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| gexc | typing 'reboot' in the terminal with usb plugged in results in a reboot-by-battery-removal LOL | 07:59 |
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| * tbr uses dsme-tool and gets reliable reboots | 08:01 | |
| * gexc noted it down | 08:02 | |
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| chriadam | I use `devel-su -c reboot` all the time, works like a charm for me? | 08:17 |
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| faiden | I have so much to learn | 08:17 |
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| ggabriel | do you actually need to be root to reboot? :D | 08:22 |
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| Nicd- | ggabriel: isn't that usually the casE? | 08:32 |
| * gexc trying it again, rebooting with usb plugged | 08:33 | |
| gexc | works fine this time :-/ | 08:33 |
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| ggabriel | Nicd-: it is, but not on the jolla :P | 08:36 |
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| Cazou | hey, is there any way to install gdb on the Jolla device ? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon install gdb | 09:22 |
| tbr | might need mer-tools? | 09:22 |
| phdeswer | ^ssu ar mer-tools and refresh I think should take care of it afaik | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | nah, gdb is in core | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | qt uses for it build | 09:24 |
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| Cazou | Stskeeps: that did it, thanks ! Is the SDK able to start a debug session now ? because I still haven't been able to start one :( | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, you'd have to ask kaltsi and jake9xx | 09:27 |
| kaltsi | Cazou: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues | 09:28 |
| kaltsi | Cazou: yes, debugging is possible, check the debugging part of the known issues below, you'll need to install a few packages manually on your device | 09:28 |
| Cazou | kaltsi: thanks, I came across a known issue page 10 minutes ago but it wasn't this one, I'll try that then ! | 09:29 |
| kaltsi | ok, it should work, but if you have problems just ask :) | 09:30 |
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| faenil | netzvieh, meeting starting in half an hour, right? | 09:36 |
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| Cazou | kaltsi: everything works fine now. Souldn't those 2 packages get installed when activating developer mode ? | 09:42 |
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| kaltsi | Cazou: I'd prefer an extra page in the developer mode settings where this kind of packages can be installed easily.. not everyone needs those even if they activate developer mode.. but we don't have that yet | 09:43 |
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| Cazou | kaltsi: I see, well, at least it works, that's the most important part :) | 09:44 |
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| kaltsi | :) but yeah.. I'm not too happy about those missing packages | 09:46 |
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| netzvieh | Sailfish Community Meeting starts in 10 minutes in #mer-meeting, for Agenda see https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004454.html | 09:50 |
| faiden | Can anyone join the meeting? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's open | 09:55 |
| netzvieh | jep | 09:55 |
| faiden | Lovely | 09:55 |
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| faiden | Just sitting here patently waiting for FedEx to drop of my phone! | 09:55 |
| faiden | I bet its dented and the package wont even hold together | 09:56 |
| * netzvieh never had problems with fedex | 09:56 | |
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| faiden | It's mu first time using them, and I have watched so many youtube clips on how they handle packages | 09:58 |
| faiden | and I don't like that I need to be hope between 06:00-18:00 or they send it back | 09:58 |
| faiden | Thats why i prefer the post office | 09:59 |
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| phdeswer | faiden: usually they try to deliver a few times, then you need to call to make an appointment and sometimes they let you pick it up | 10:00 |
| sledges | PSA: community meeting at #mer-meeting now :) | 10:00 |
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| faiden | sounds good atleast phdeswer | 10:01 |
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| faiden | They send my package from Finland to Sweden through France.. | 11:00 |
| faiden | sent* | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah..fedex is fantastic in that regard | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think Khertan's package went through china(!) | 11:00 |
| faiden | ouch | 11:00 |
| faiden | Does not feel like the most optimal route | 11:01 |
| Khertan | faiden, i live 30km from Charles De Gaule Airport | 11:01 |
| faiden | =D | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: i'm still amazed it went through china | 11:01 |
| Khertan | package -> finland -> cdg france -> china -> germany -> england -> cdg france again :) | 11:01 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, fedex is a sum of little company they bought | 11:02 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, and system aren't the same in all small entities | 11:02 |
| faiden | That phone has traveled more than i have | 11:03 |
| Khertan | and look like they have some sync error in syncing tracking number | 11:03 |
| Khertan | faiden, same here :) | 11:03 |
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| Teme | Khertan: is taht the actual route your Jolla delivery has taken? :D | 11:10 |
| Teme | cba to read all the log | 11:10 |
| Teme | but if it is... that's pretty messed up | 11:11 |
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| maddler | Khertan: the only single routing worse than that was my ADSL back in Italy! :) | 11:19 |
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| Khertan | https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/index.html?tracknumbers=798791104581&locale=fr_FR&cntry_code=fr << the england travel isn't on tracking that s whats fedex employee said to phone | 11:26 |
| Khertan | i ven t checked on tracking so probably false | 11:26 |
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| netzvieh | community meeting is over, Minutes: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-06-03-10.00.html | 11:32 |
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| * stephg ugh not a good time to have flashing green led and now a long red on power button shutdown | 11:43 | |
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| faiden | I'm sitting with only 1 ear on my headphone so I wont miss the ding dong door | 11:51 |
| kimmoli | what was the red-flashin contiuously ? | 11:54 |
| kimmoli | lipstickka? | 11:54 |
| spiiroin_ | kimmoli: mce tries to tell lipstick that drawing is ok/not; the display on<-->off state transition can't be finished until mce gets reply from lipstick | 11:56 |
| spiiroin_ | red blinking while trying to turn display off, and green for display on | 11:56 |
| kimmoli | only red blinks | 11:56 |
| kimmoli | the when tried to switch off from power button only red led stays on | 11:56 |
| spiiroin_ | non-blinking red = shutdown indicator | 11:57 |
| kimmoli | but for 1 minute? | 11:57 |
| spiiroin_ | if some processes are in weird enough state, it might take time | 11:57 |
| spiiroin_ | at some point there was 90s default timeout in systemd configs | 11:58 |
| kimmoli | ah, ok (i think he did already took battery out of it) Not my phone | 11:58 |
| spiiroin_ | I think it has been changed, but I have no clear idea what the current in release value is | 11:58 |
| kimmoli | not that default 180s ? | 11:58 |
| spiiroin_ | IIRC it was made shorter, for the reason you already know | 12:00 |
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| kimmoli | harbout down? 502? Please contact harbourmaster@jolla.com | 12:31 |
| kimmoli | ah not anymore | 12:31 |
| sdjayna | kimmoli: yeah known issue, on the list to sort out ;) | 12:33 |
| kimmoli | first time for me. | 12:34 |
| sdjayna | kimmoli: only happens for seconds at a time, you're unlucky to hit it :/ | 12:35 |
| kimmoli | or lucky :) | 12:35 |
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| TMavica | jolla map update | 12:55 |
| Nicd- | ? | 12:55 |
| TMavica | i got stock map update in store | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | hmm, I possibly wouldn't do it | 12:57 |
| TMavica | it show update at 3/6, but i not able update it | 12:58 |
| TMavica | system update soon? | 12:58 |
| Nicd- | at least there was a problem before where app updates were shown right before a system update and they would break something if the user updated them before doing the system update | 12:58 |
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| Yaniel | yep, it won't install | 12:59 |
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| TMavica | system update soon | 13:00 |
| Yaniel | most likely because it belongs to the system update that's said to be coming soon | 13:00 |
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| TMavica | i think so | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | oh man | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | and my phone is still at optima | 13:00 |
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| Scelt | Nicd-: it's an awful company. never heard a nice word about then | 13:01 |
| Scelt | them | 13:01 |
| TMavica | rushing home to wait update | 13:01 |
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| Scelt | you remember the badgerbadgerbadger aniamtino few yeras back? badgers in my head are singing "updateupdateupdate..." | 13:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | Scelt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy69qrJSDxs | 13:03 |
| FireFly | Scelt: well thanks, now they are in my head too | 13:03 |
| netzvieh | Scelt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGlyFc79BUE ? :D | 13:03 |
| FireFly | TMavica: here's hoping it's very soon... | 13:04 |
| Scelt | netzvieh: booyah! :-D | 13:04 |
| Scelt | FireFly: you are welcome :-) | 13:04 |
| TMavica | lol.. | 13:05 |
| Scelt | updateupdateupdateupdateupdate... | 13:05 |
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| Yaniel | hotfix! hotfix! | 13:07 |
| TMavica | now is 2100, pls fast | 13:07 |
| TMavica | i need sleep | 13:07 |
| gexc | update today? | 13:07 |
| netzvieh | nobody said anything about an update today :D | 13:08 |
| gexc | :-/ | 13:08 |
| netzvieh | and I doubt it, there wouldn't have been a community meeting, if today would be update day ^^ | 13:08 |
| pp | I'm guessing friday :-) | 13:09 |
| Aard | netzvieh: don't expect the update today. but we're very close. it's part of why I didn't notice community meeting happening at first :) | 13:09 |
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| FireFly | :D | 13:09 |
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| FireFly | "very close", meaning friday next week | 13:10 |
| netzvieh | ;) \o/ | 13:10 |
| TMavica | aard, i go to sleep then | 13:10 |
| Aard | FireFly: that'd be 'close', not 'very close' :p | 13:10 |
| FireFly | Haha | 13:10 |
| SK_work | very close means in 3 month, when u7 will be combined to u8 and u9 :P | 13:10 |
| Yaniel | you have until tomorrow 15:00 :P | 13:10 |
| netzvieh | Aard: I gave up on expecting things years ago :D there are less disappointments then ;) | 13:11 |
| Aard | Yaniel: if I can have you as my personal slave until tomorrow, sure. :) | 13:11 |
| * w00t presses the "delay updates for SK_work" button | 13:11 | |
| w00t | your wish is my command! :p | 13:11 |
| netzvieh | Aard: so that's why you wanted me to work for you :D | 13:11 |
| Yaniel | Aard: you can't I have to pack | 13:11 |
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| Scelt | Aard & w00t: good work guys! | 13:15 |
| faiden | Time for first startup! | 13:17 |
| SK_work | :D | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | faiden: ooh, you got it? | 13:19 |
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| faiden | Yea =D | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | nice | 13:21 |
| faiden | sure is, setting it up as we speak | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | remember to run all updates before installing apps | 13:22 |
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| faiden | yea, I do love updates (for real) best ever | 13:23 |
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| faiden | Will take weeks before I remove the protective plastic | 13:28 |
| Yaniel | I still haven't removed it from mine | 13:29 |
| Yaniel | and I got it back in december | 13:29 |
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| Yaniel | I just cut off the protrusion and since then it has been almost unnoticeable | 13:29 |
| faiden | hmidd | 13:31 |
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| Jope | I always remove the plastic films from any devices I buy | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes the plastic films may factually scratch, too | 13:33 |
| gexc | hmm, that gorilla glass is not as tough as expected | 13:33 |
| Jope | they're there so that they get to you in pristine condition. once you start using them, then they start their life | 13:33 |
| covox | yeah, sand can get trapped under the film and forced against the glass | 13:34 |
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| * gexc got two deep scratches near the center of the screen O_O | 13:34 | |
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| faiden | Not the longest power cable thou | 13:35 |
| faiden | Can i use my PC to charge it? | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | yes | 13:35 |
| faiden | good good | 13:35 |
| Nicd- | but it will be slower | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | it will charge always when it can | 13:35 |
| faiden | Still learning that there are no back/home button | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | part of the reason why I like to ssh in via usb | 13:36 |
| faiden | sometimes I'm like where am I!!?!? | 13:36 |
| Yaniel | don't worry | 13:36 |
| faiden | ssh through usb... intressting. why not wlan? | 13:36 |
| Yaniel | you'll have learned it by friday | 13:36 |
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| Yaniel | because I can | 13:36 |
| faiden | heeh I have to try that later first week is just learn the phone, after that i can experiment! | 13:37 |
| covox | PC charging via usb is pretty quick | 13:37 |
| Yaniel | (in fact, you'll find yourself unable to use anything else after half a week) | 13:37 |
| covox | roughly 1 minute/% | 13:37 |
| Nicd- | covox: depends on the PC | 13:37 |
| faiden | Not sure if I want to use android support, I heard it steals power | 13:37 |
| giucam | everything steals power ;) | 13:37 |
| faiden | I just need a google sync calendar and Telegram | 13:37 |
| Yaniel | well, charging is another reason to use usb | 13:38 |
| Yaniel | and I just happen to like wired connections | 13:38 |
| * kimmoli passes cold one to tbr ... | 13:38 | |
| tbr | thanks kimmoli! :) | 13:38 |
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| kimmoli | ... when i could test smbmount ? :) | 13:39 |
| faiden | time to upgrade | 13:39 |
| faiden | I rather use sshfs than samba | 13:40 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: currently trying to get samba4.1 to build | 13:40 |
| tbr | kimmoli: what was missing for smbmount? | 13:40 |
| kimmoli | cli smbmount command iirc | 13:41 |
| faiden | hmm where do I format my sdcard? | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | there's no UI for that I think | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | you can do it in the command line or on your computer | 13:41 |
| faiden | Ahh ok sounds eaasy | 13:42 |
| faiden | Just need to enable developer console and set my ssh details I guess | 13:42 |
| tbr | kimmoli: I'll try to remember at home. please keep poking me. the 3.5 version should be easy. | 13:42 |
| Nicd- | and don't touch the developer updates | 13:42 |
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| kimmoli | *long | 13:43 |
| kimmoli | *drm | 13:43 |
| faenil | gexc, join our club "This is not Gorilla Glass, Jolla was delivered wrong parts" | 13:43 |
| faiden | no toutchy developper updated got it | 13:43 |
| Nicd- | faenil? | 13:44 |
| faenil | Nicd-, me, at least another guy, and now gexc (and don't know how many others) think that this glass is not gorilla glass | 13:44 |
| gexc | LOL | 13:44 |
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| gexc | how to tell if it is a gorilla glass | 13:45 |
| faenil | I've always paid a lot of attention to the screen, on any phone, and this has 2 scratches already | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | give it a banana and observe the reaction | 13:45 |
| faenil | ggabriel, ahaah +1 | 13:45 |
| ccha2 | what is the process name for messaging ? | 13:47 |
| ccha2 | for xmpp | 13:47 |
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| * netzvieh doesn't have any scratches on the glass (phone dropped multiple times on stone) | 13:50 | |
| SK_work | only very small scratches here, but omg, the screen is so greasy | 13:51 |
| netzvieh | the upper edges of the front are damaged rather heavily though | 13:51 |
| SK_work | damage on the alu part here too | 13:51 |
| Teme | i have one scratch right in the middle of the screen :( someone joked here that i shouldn't keep it in the same pocket with my diamonds but i really have no idea what could've caused it | 13:51 |
| faenil | Teme, maybe it was you, the other member of the club :) | 13:52 |
| Teme | could be - i made that remark one time at the night bus after a few bars... so can't really recall nicknames from the time :D | 13:53 |
| SK_work | I'm pretty sure about it | 13:53 |
| SK_work | faenil: the other one is Khertan | 13:53 |
| faenil | okay, new members welcomed :D | 13:53 |
| SK_work | faenil: :) | 13:54 |
| SK_work | I would say that the screen is not gorilla, but then my N9 is not gorilla either | 13:54 |
| SK_work | because it's scratched everywhere too | 13:55 |
| SK_work | (not to speak about N950) | 13:55 |
| SK_work | (but IIRC N950 didn't had gorilla) | 13:55 |
| * gexc can feel the deep scratches with a fingertip | 13:55 | |
| * Aard does not have many scratches. maybe I'me too careful with my devices? :p | 13:55 | |
| * gexc has put a glass protector on | 13:56 | |
| gexc | and the (non-gorilla) screen protector keeps getting tiny scratches :-/ | 13:57 |
| faiden | hmm what is the root password for the phone? | 13:57 |
| Aard | faiden: unset | 13:58 |
| faiden | ok | 13:58 |
| Yaniel | for good reasons | 13:58 |
| Aard | faiden: you enable developer mode, and specify a password for the nemo user | 13:58 |
| SK_work | faiden: had developer mode installed ? IT's the pwd you defined in developer mode | 13:58 |
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| faiden | I enabeled developer mode and chose a password for ssh only | 13:58 |
| netzvieh | faiden: ýou log in with nemo and use devel-su to become root :D (it's a bit like sudo) | 13:58 |
| faiden | ok | 13:58 |
| faiden | ahh works ty | 13:59 |
| Yaniel | the password you set for developer mode is the one for the user nemo | 13:59 |
| faiden | now to umount the sdcard and reformat it to btrfs | 13:59 |
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| faiden | will it automaticly mount my sdcard after or do i need to edit some fstab? | 14:00 |
| SK_work | faiden: SD should be automounted, however, btrfs seems to cause problems | 14:01 |
| Yaniel | it will try to mount it when it is inserted and when booting | 14:01 |
| faiden | ohh ok :P | 14:01 |
| SK_work | I use FAT32, but ext4 seems to be pretty good | 14:01 |
| faiden | well I try It anyway | 14:01 |
| Yaniel | I use btrfs, no problems | 14:01 |
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| Yaniel | except for its buggy handling of fs metadata | 14:01 |
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| Yaniel | which means I have to rebalance it every now and then | 14:02 |
| faiden | /dev/mmcblk1p1 appears to contain an existing filesystem (vfat) yse -f option to force overwrite | 14:02 |
| faiden | I might aswell | 14:02 |
| Yaniel | but that applies to the phones internal memory too anyway so whatever | 14:02 |
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| faiden | hmm maby I should get htop to get installed | 14:04 |
| faiden | whats the package manager? | 14:04 |
| SK_work | faiden: pkcon for packagekit | 14:05 |
| SK_work | pkcon install, pkcon search name, etc. | 14:05 |
| faiden | ahh ty kind sir | 14:05 |
| SK_work | faiden: but I prefer zypper: pkcon install zypper :) | 14:05 |
| faiden | I might as well | 14:05 |
| coderus | Mitakuuluu update ready to release. Please update your translation in next 3 hours to be included in next update. | 14:06 |
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| faiden | maby even install zch with oh my zch | 14:06 |
| faiden | but then I need git etc | 14:06 |
| faiden | GAH to much! need to learn UI less ssh! | 14:06 |
| faiden | ohh yea journalctl! | 14:07 |
| SK_work | faiden: zypper in git ? :) | 14:07 |
| faiden | need git to intall ohmy zch | 14:07 |
| Yaniel | zsh* | 14:08 |
| faiden | ahh yea | 14:08 |
| faiden | mmm vim | 14:09 |
| Yaniel | I'm not sure I would want to do that, ohmyzsh seems to cause weird problems with a bunch of stuff | 14:09 |
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| Yaniel | and fingerterm is... buggy | 14:09 |
| faiden | ok | 14:09 |
| faiden | thats why I ask here first =D | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | mosh is supposed to do a good job with terminal emulation but fingerterm still fails hard with that :D | 14:10 |
| faiden | ahh | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | (when using irc over mosh) | 14:10 |
| SK_work | Yaniel: ssh over usb is safer | 14:11 |
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| Yaniel | I can't really ssh to a random server over usb when I'm on the road now can I | 14:11 |
| faiden | Yea just need to learn how to do that first so I sick with wlan for the moment | 14:11 |
| faiden | mmm openvpn! | 14:12 |
| Yaniel | unless you meant the ssh over wlan vs over usb thing | 14:12 |
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| Yaniel | of course wired connections are safer, especially when you can see the entire wire all the time :D | 14:12 |
| Nicd- | my Jolla is back home! | 14:13 |
| Nicd- | my baby <3 | 14:13 |
| Yaniel | my preciousss | 14:13 |
| faiden | I like the minimalistic feel of the jolla =D the volume bar as example | 14:13 |
| faiden | its the small things | 14:13 |
| Nicd- | now I have the same first-start feeling as faiden :) | 14:14 |
| faiden | =D Its great | 14:14 |
| faiden | so much todo | 14:14 |
| faiden | the opportunities | 14:15 |
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| faiden | there are pictures of random ppl in my jolla! DELETE! | 14:16 |
| SK_work | faiden: ah, a little advertizement if you want to do some fun stuff: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92935 | 14:17 |
| Yaniel | oh right the sailor pics | 14:17 |
| SK_work | faiden: they are nice sailors, keep them :) | 14:17 |
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| Teme | >Unlimited multitasking | 14:18 |
| Teme | do want ;__; | 14:18 |
| faiden | Looks nie SK_work i save the link and come back to it | 14:18 |
| Yaniel | practically it just adds new cover screens instead of hiding app covers | 14:18 |
| SK_work | Yaniel: practically that's already something ;) | 14:18 |
| SK_work | I tried to write a new ListView like component that would scroll inside the view if it's big | 14:19 |
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| faiden | hmm I do want to save my music and videos on the SD card .. can i Symlink it to my Video folder? | 14:19 |
| SK_work | it's hard | 14:19 |
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| Yaniel | you don't need to symlink it | 14:19 |
| SK_work | faiden: create the same hiearchy on SD card | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | tracker should add the files to gallery automatically | 14:19 |
| SK_work | a Music folder for example | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | ...unless something flipped the switch for you too | 14:20 |
| Teme | Yaniel: well practically that is what it needs to do for all open apps to be accessible :D | 14:20 |
| faiden | ohh thats nice SK_work | 14:20 |
| gexc | symlinking the Picture dir seems to wipe all my ambiences :-/ | 14:20 |
| phaeron | strictly speaking you don't need to create the same hierarchy. the whole sd card is indexed | 14:21 |
| faiden | indexed how? | 14:21 |
| Yaniel | by tracker | 14:21 |
| SK_work | phaeron: good to know | 14:21 |
| Yaniel | which basically builds a db of the "relevant" files on the device | 14:21 |
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| SK_work | I usually create the same hiearchy, 1. in case tracker is dumb, 2. because I want to be organized :) | 14:22 |
| faiden | the phone got a "tracker" then | 14:22 |
| faiden | aha its searched the phone for audio and stuff | 14:22 |
| phaeron | tracker is used only for metadata indexing | 14:22 |
| Yaniel | the same tracker used by fedora for example | 14:22 |
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| faiden | So I can start put my openvpn files in the same location and start the service just as I would on a pc? | 14:27 |
| Yaniel | pretty much | 14:27 |
| faiden | Intressting | 14:28 |
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| faiden | hmm how do i reboot phone from the UI? | 14:51 |
| faiden | button it is | 14:52 |
| maddler | there is a reboot app in openrepo | 14:52 |
| maddler | as far as I remember | 14:52 |
| maddler | or in the store | 14:52 |
| sletta | faiden: also in the standard store. “Lighthouse” has it under “phone controls” | 14:53 |
| faiden | ahh ty I will search for it | 14:53 |
| faiden | was like wtf how do i turn it off at first | 14:53 |
| Yaniel | hold the power button? | 14:54 |
| faiden | yea that worked | 14:55 |
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| Yaniel | oh and if you are on the lockscreen you have to hold it down much longer than on the homescreen | 14:56 |
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| faiden | hmmm | 14:57 |
| phaeron | Yaniel: that's a gard poweroff. not recommended unless phone is hung | 14:58 |
| phaeron | *hard | 14:58 |
| Yaniel | on the lockscreen? | 14:58 |
| Yaniel | I guess | 14:58 |
| faiden | hmm systemctl start openvpn@profile.serice not working ;( | 14:58 |
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| phaeron | Yaniel: yes , unlock then poweroff | 14:59 |
| Yaniel | nod | 14:59 |
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| phaeron | lockscreen is by design meant to prevent interaction with phone | 14:59 |
| phaeron | :) | 14:59 |
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| Yaniel | ehe | 14:59 |
| maddler | that would be an actionscreen instead | 15:00 |
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| faiden | is there a trick to start openvpn with systemd? | 15:09 |
| faiden | works from cmd line with openvpn --config profile but not systemctl start openvpn@profile | 15:10 |
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| faiden | guess i start it manualy each time instead | 15:14 |
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| SK_work | any MMS experts out there ? | 15:17 |
| SK_work | because I'm failing in receiving and sending MMSes. | 15:17 |
| SK_work | it used to work at some point. | 15:17 |
| SK_work | AP didn't changed | 15:17 |
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| faiden | how do I removethe tutorial? | 15:26 |
| SK_work | faiden: zypper se tutorial | 15:27 |
| SK_work | you will find the packages | 15:27 |
| SK_work | and then, feel free to remove them. | 15:27 |
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| faiden | ahh tyvm | 15:28 |
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| TMavica | @arcean any progress of porting exnote and Sketchit to sailfish? | 15:47 |
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| arcean | TMavica: sketchit is almost ready, next in queue is camdrive ;) | 15:49 |
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| TMavica | GOOD! | 15:53 |
| TMavica | Good to see you in Jolla. | 15:53 |
| faiden | Is there a easy way to change the background and the colors of menus etc ? | 15:56 |
| faiden | and not usinga preset | 15:56 |
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| faiden | best sailfish apps | 16:00 |
| faiden | ? | 16:00 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/blog/2014/05/16/qa-pete-lau-oneplus-launch-one | 16:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | how to begin hate qualcomm | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | why? | 16:04 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, ARSE-KISSERS | 16:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | thats all | 16:06 |
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| * gexc finds the data counter get reset automatically this month | 16:07 | |
| faenil | faiden, that's what ambiance does, it changes the colours | 16:08 |
| Jennyh | hey, what kind of cool other halves are there that can be bought already? | 16:09 |
| faenil | faiden, I think there's an ambiance modder by SK_work iirc, if you want to use your custom colours | 16:09 |
| faenil | Jennyh, aloe/black/poppyred | 16:09 |
| faiden | ahh tnx faenil I check it out | 16:09 |
| Jennyh | yeah, but any that aren't by jolla? | 16:10 |
| Jennyh | like the Lastu "skin" | 16:10 |
| faenil | don't know :) | 16:10 |
| Jennyh | hmm | 16:10 |
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| SK_work | faenil: nope there is not | 16:18 |
| SK_work | mine was just for fun for the sdk | 16:18 |
| faenil | SK_work, didn't you make one? | 16:18 |
| faenil | ah! | 16:18 |
| SK_work | faenil: I'm thinking in making one | 16:18 |
| SK_work | because it's just some gconf keys | 16:18 |
| faenil | I see | 16:18 |
| SK_work | but will probably wait for next update | 16:18 |
| faenil | ;) | 16:19 |
| SK_work | as I thought about doing some more hacks (light background and dark text) | 16:19 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu update ready to release. Please update your translation in next 1 hour to be included in next update. | 16:24 |
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| khertan_ | My jolla become hot again, checking usage, pulseaudio eating 15-16% cpu, i m just listening some mp3, it look like a bit height to me | 16:32 |
| SK_work | khertan_: Jolla playing music here, not hot | 16:33 |
| SK_work | 15-16% CPU seems normal | 16:33 |
| khertan_ | is there a way to check temp | 16:34 |
| khertan_ | ? | 16:34 |
| SK_work | khertan_: I use lighthouse (on store) | 16:35 |
| SK_work | it gives CPU tmp | 16:35 |
| SK_work | temp | 16:35 |
| SK_work | (as well as process info) | 16:35 |
| SK_work | pretty handy | 16:35 |
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| faenil | khertan_, looking it out for you | 16:37 |
| faenil | khertan_, via dbus | 16:38 |
| faenil | com.nokia.thermalmanage | 16:38 |
| faenil | manager | 16:38 |
| faenil | get_thermal_state | 16:38 |
| faenil | ;) | 16:38 |
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| khertan__ | 55C | 16:38 |
| khertan__ | :) | 16:38 |
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| khertan__ | 55C look like hight to me | 16:39 |
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| khertan__ | 516MB used out of 831MB | 16:40 |
| faenil | no idea, I don't usually check temp :) | 16:40 |
| khertan__ | faenil: that s because i didn t feel confortable with a heat in the pocket | 16:40 |
| faenil | :) | 16:40 |
| khertan__ | it s already too hot here | 16:41 |
| faenil | yeah eheh | 16:41 |
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| khertan__ | battery from 99% to 62% in 1h45min | 16:42 |
| khertan__ | maybe too much use | 16:42 |
| khertan__ | but temp going down after stoping listening music | 16:43 |
| khertan__ | down to 42C | 16:43 |
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| faenil | yeah it's 42 here, with lighthouse | 16:44 |
| faenil | 40-42 | 16:44 |
| khertan__ | while my n9 is at 28C | 16:45 |
| faenil | can't really compare ... | 16:46 |
| khertan__ | no same power indeed | 16:46 |
| khertan__ | is there a way to downclock jolla ? | 16:46 |
| khertan__ | sorry i lag | 16:46 |
| faenil | I think you just have to change frequencies used by the governor, but don't where the default values for the cpu governon are | 16:47 |
| SK_work | khertan__: 55°C here too | 16:48 |
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| khertan__ | SK_work: time for a aluminium toh :) | 16:49 |
| khertan__ | and now owncloud 6 which return 405 for MKCOL ... | 16:50 |
| khertan__ | owncloud is quite unstable | 16:50 |
| faenil | on jolla or generally speaking | 16:50 |
| Kondou | khertan__: webdav? | 16:50 |
| Kondou | ask #owncloud or #owncloud-dev :D | 16:50 |
| khertan__ | faenil: downclock for Jolla, aluminium for jolla | 16:50 |
| khertan__ | Kondou: yep i ll | 16:51 |
| Kondou | I'm not that fit on the webdav end | 16:51 |
| faenil | khertan__, I meant ownload :p | 16:51 |
| faenil | owncloud* | 16:51 |
| Kondou | I'm only active on the frontend | 16:51 |
| SK_work | khertan__: :D | 16:51 |
| khertan__ | Kondou: but later i m in train and so lag too much | 16:51 |
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| khertan__ | faenil: that s ownNotes which sync with ownCloud on my laptop | 16:52 |
| faenil | khertan__, yes, but is the problem in Jolla, or on owncloud servic | 16:52 |
| khertan__ | (test install, but got same result on the raspberrypy too) | 16:52 |
| Kondou | khertan__: when you're home have a look at owncloud.log btw x) | 16:52 |
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| khertan__ | faenil:no not in Jolla :) in my apps or service :) | 16:53 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 16:53 |
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| khertan__ | pb probably in my apps (which run on Jolla) | 16:53 |
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| SK_work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPx5WmBncIQ <-- Tizen UI, pretty snappy but so Android | 16:55 |
| faiden | I Wish someone could do a Telgram app | 16:58 |
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| SK_work | faiden: it mgiht come earlier than expected | 17:00 |
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| SK_work | there is someone doing this for a KDE GSOC | 17:00 |
| SK_work | woith telepathy integration | 17:00 |
| SK_work | so ... :) | 17:01 |
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| faiden | I Wish someone could do a Telegram app | 17:06 |
| faiden | woops mt | 17:06 |
| faiden | aww now my gallery wont start , it keeps crashing QQ | 17:06 |
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| faenil | faiden, updated to update5 already? | 17:06 |
| faiden | but tahts good to know SK_work keep up the good work and tnx for helping us =D | 17:06 |
| faiden | I updated the phone the moment i got it | 17:06 |
| faenil | ok | 17:07 |
| faenil | and gallery crashes? I never never had a crazy in gallery...but I don't have an SD card | 17:07 |
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| faenil | so the two could be related :D | 17:07 |
| faenil | had a crash* | 17:07 |
| faiden | hmm | 17:07 |
| faiden | 1.0.5.19 | 17:07 |
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| SK_work | faiden: please do this | 17:07 |
| SK_work | open terminal (or better ssh from computer) | 17:07 |
| SK_work | devel-su --privileged | 17:08 |
| SK_work | (enter "root" pwd) | 17:08 |
| SK_work | jolla-gallery | 17:08 |
| faiden | good idea | 17:08 |
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| faiden | I can open it from terminal but crashes when i klick the app | 17:10 |
| SK_work | faiden: then do this | 17:10 |
| faenil | eheh | 17:10 |
| SK_work | as root (not privileged) | 17:10 |
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| SK_work | journactl -fa /usr/bin/jolla-gallery | 17:10 |
| SK_work | and open | 17:10 |
| SK_work | and check strange messages | 17:10 |
| faiden | ok 1 mom need to open a ssh session for that | 17:12 |
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| SK_work | faiden: wild guess | 17:13 |
| SK_work | killall jolla-gallery | 17:13 |
| SK_work | and restart ? | 17:13 |
| faiden | true | 17:13 |
| faiden | yea that was simpler =) | 17:14 |
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| faiden | works now ty =D need to remember that | 17:15 |
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| SK_work | faiden: it shouldn't have happened | 17:16 |
| faiden | I bet I will find loads of things like this "that shouldnt have happend" | 17:16 |
| faiden | The phone is great It's just me that like to experiment | 17:17 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | it took me a few days/weeks to realise that SK_work is sfiet_konstantin :D | 17:24 |
| faenil | LOL | 17:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | i thought we got a new active community member who is always at work :D | 17:25 |
| faiden | I had my suspicions | 17:25 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC__, ahah :) | 17:26 |
| faenil | Day 230: nobody noticed I'm sfiet, everything is alright | 17:26 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | sk has too many nicks... | 17:29 |
| * kimmoli_sailing_ pokes tbr | 17:31 | |
| tbr | kimmoli_sailing_: tnx, will have a look now | 17:32 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | oukkis, no rush. have to do some cad | 17:32 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | lol faenil | 17:33 |
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| faiden | hmm swiping from lock/homescreen wont take me to ambiance menu like they say in the youtube video. Did they change this? | 17:40 |
| Teme | you need to make more than one ambience | 17:41 |
| faiden | hehe ok | 17:41 |
| Teme | so go to gallery and favorite them from the star | 17:41 |
| Teme | still some pitfalls there :P | 17:41 |
| faiden | I noticed you can DL your own image and set colors as you wish! Time to loadup the gimp! | 17:42 |
| faiden | I also want to remove my mobile network from the top of my lockscreen | 17:42 |
| faiden | Minimalistic ftw! | 17:42 |
| faiden | If i uninstall a app will there be any "leaftovers" from it? | 17:45 |
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| faiden | I want it to be clean | 17:45 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: can you please check if mount -t cifs or mount.cifs works? | 17:49 |
| kimmoli | mom | 17:50 |
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| kimmoli | mount -t cifs did not return anything | 17:51 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: because smbmount seems to be deprecated and removed. mount -t cifs being the successor | 17:52 |
| kimmoli | but its not in /proc/filesystems | 17:53 |
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| tbr | mh, so what's missing then? | 17:54 |
| tbr | actually the package seems to contain smbmount... o.O | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | CONFIG_CIFS ? | 17:54 |
| tbr | so a kernel module? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | possibly yeah | 17:54 |
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| phdeswer | that module should be there | 17:55 |
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| tbr | then "mount -t cifs //foo.bar/mount/ /mnt/baz" should "just work™" | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | phdeswer: in .config? | 17:55 |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps: yep. Checked it immediately as I was pretty sure we had it | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:56 |
| faiden | I wish that you could set what order the apps stay on the homescreen. Like a lock. | 17:56 |
| FireFly | I agree | 17:57 |
| faiden | Alos wish that if you have 3 apps open then 1 of the 3 got doubble size | 17:57 |
| FireFly | actually, I think I suggested or voted for that on tjc | 17:57 |
| FireFly | eh, dunno about that :P | 17:57 |
| faiden | or that you can choose the size of the apps and if you have several scroll through them | 17:57 |
| faiden | say 1 app on each "homescreen" | 17:58 |
| faiden | so you can choose the "layout" | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | faiden: btw, write down your first impressions | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be interested in reading | 17:58 |
| faiden | whooeee | 17:58 |
| faiden | Ok I open a textfile | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | also | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | i hope you updated to latest version first | 17:59 |
| faiden | First thing i did | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | good | 17:59 |
| kimmoli | tbr: cant find blaablaa in /etc/fstab | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | maybe you need mount.cifs ..? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | at a rough guess | 18:01 |
| tbr | I'll try on my phone | 18:01 |
| FireFly | Hmm | 18:01 |
| FireFly | I wonder if the rounded app cover corners that broke in 1.0.4.20 will be fixed next update | 18:01 |
| faiden | The gallery needs a search functionj | 18:01 |
| kimmoli | trying again | 18:01 |
| kimmoli | tbr works | 18:02 |
| kimmoli | had to -o username | 18:03 |
| tbr | :) | 18:03 |
| tbr | yes | 18:03 |
| tbr | depending on your server that might be necessary | 18:03 |
| Nicd- | hey, since when has the charging led been blue? it used to be white | 18:03 |
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| tbr | still white for me | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't it follow ambience or something like that.. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:04 |
| Nicd- | it never did for me | 18:04 |
| FireFly | White for me too | 18:04 |
| Nicd- | but now it was blue when I got this from optima | 18:04 |
| FireFly | flashing blue means "received IM/SMS" I think | 18:05 |
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| FireFly | hm | 18:05 |
| kimmoli | ha, now i dont need to copy rpm to phone, i can just pkcon install-local them over share | 18:05 |
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| FireFly | that reminds me of another thing.. | 18:05 |
| Nicd- | FireFly: but it was constant and I had no sms | 18:05 |
| * kimmoli wish i had some popcorn to pass to tbr :P | 18:05 | |
| FireFly | Dunno then | 18:06 |
| tbr | :> | 18:06 |
| tbr | kimmoli: now for bonus points, someone will write a UI around mount.cifs, maybe steal some of the smb4k browsing code, ... one can dream | 18:06 |
| Gordon` | argh, the reboots are back! | 18:08 |
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| Gordon` | I was typing an SMS, then the phone crashed. I powered on, then after one minute, it rebooted | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | did you contact care? | 18:09 |
| Gordon` | I followed the advice given here, and put a piece of paper to maintain the battery in place | 18:09 |
| Gordon` | Stskeeps: not yet. Can I send useful information about the crashes? | 18:10 |
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| Nicd- | well, it's no longer white | 18:12 |
| Nicd- | *blue | 18:13 |
| Nicd- | it's white now | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Gordon`: if you have shutdowns or reboots, contact care | 18:21 |
| Sail0r | and they say send it in :-/ try the paper trick before helped for me | 18:22 |
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| faiden | Ok think I got first day down do you want the impression now Stskeeps or wait for more content ? | 18:26 |
| faiden | It's just words and thought fast put down | 18:26 |
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| pdanek | http://youtu.be/Ci6lMQNLKZU | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | faiden: wait a week or so | 18:27 |
| faiden | alright I keep adding | 18:27 |
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| pdanek | Ok ignore what I have sent above please, pretty offtopic, instead a great vid from Zogg: http://youtu.be/BhnqddmFTAg | 18:33 |
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| Gordon` | Sail0r: I did the paper trick. And no reboots, since 2 today | 18:58 |
| Yaniel | no reboots since I did it either | 18:59 |
| Yaniel | I took a postIt note, folded it once and it's been working fine | 19:00 |
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| netzvieh | anyone here using textsecure on the jolla? | 19:36 |
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| Gorith | how I can send a pic as mms and choose another number of contact than default? | 19:48 |
| tigeli | Gorith: if contact has more than one number the dialog will ask which one to use when creating mms | 19:49 |
| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.5. Privacy settings, new fancy QuickScroll, fixies DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.5 | 19:50 |
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| pdanek | WhatsApp everywhere... where's the Viber :P | 19:51 |
| Gorith | tigeli: it is not | 19:51 |
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| tigeli | Gorith: is the other number listed as "mobile phone" | 19:52 |
| tigeli | Gorith: or actually both | 19:52 |
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| Gorith | tigeli: ok, my bad there is only one number, but there should have been two... anyway, it probably asking it | 19:56 |
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| tigeli | Gorith: :) np | 19:57 |
| Gorith | second number is where the number went (is it me or something else) | 19:57 |
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| Gorith | second question | 19:57 |
| Gorith | but thanks anyway | 19:57 |
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| coderus | Just forgot to introduce one feature of Mitakuuluu v0.7.5: It can import your Android WhatsApp account data! | 19:58 |
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| artemma | coderus: thanks for MitaKuuluu. Real useful, I am actually communicating with it almost as much as via SMS (I am not very talkative though) | 20:01 |
| Gorith | ok, I think it is about me and transferring number from droid, somewhere between second number has been lost | 20:01 |
| artemma | coderus: once in a while jolla crash logger reports that mitakuuluu server crashed. Would crash dumps make any use for you? | 20:01 |
| coderus | artemma: using v0.7.5 | 20:02 |
| coderus | ? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | if he keeps debuginfo, i'd presume so | 20:02 |
| artemma | coderus: umm.. not sure, whatever is the last public version | 20:02 |
| coderus | artemma: just updated to v0.7.5 | 20:02 |
| artemma | oh wait, did I get it from openrepos.. | 20:02 |
| coderus | ficed some crashes here | 20:02 |
| coderus | fixed* | 20:02 |
| coderus | it had huge kosyak with offline notifications causing server to crash :) | 20:03 |
| artemma | I have no problem with that it sometimes crashes - things happen. My question is whether it makes sense to send crash dumps to somewhere | 20:03 |
| coderus | fixed that ugly code out :D | 20:03 |
| coderus | artemma: i can upload debuginfo packages for you if you want to do so | 20:03 |
| coderus | but you should also explain how to use your crash reports :D | 20:04 |
| artemma | I don't quite get how it would help :/ | 20:04 |
| artemma | ah, okay, I don't know much about it either | 20:04 |
| artemma | I think you apply some magic tool to crash dump + map file (or whatever it is called in qt) and it transforms crash dump into a readable crash stack + maybe some logs | 20:05 |
| coderus | artemma: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kyo4tzo7298lkkg/AABuPQvW13PucZCv5Unhl6-Va | 20:05 |
| artemma | Stskeeps should know. I think I've got crash logger from him | 20:05 |
| coderus | artemma: i tjink i can load it into gdb and backtrace it? | 20:05 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: ^ ? | 20:05 |
| artemma | Sorry, I really don't know. Had impression that you might know this stuff | 20:05 |
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| artemma | I was only collecting some crashlogs for Stskeeps (I think it was Stskeeps), he was doing further analysis | 20:06 |
| coderus | artemma: so, i think you can send it to me after installing debuginfo package | 20:08 |
| artemma | I don't quite get how debuginfo would influence that :/ | 20:08 |
| artemma | crash dumps are collected whenever any process crashes | 20:09 |
| artemma | debuginfo might be useful for processing crash dump maybe | 20:09 |
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| coderus | artemma: it should use process debuginfo afaik for replacing stack functions with its names | 20:09 |
| special | assuming this is the tool I think it is | 20:09 |
| special | send the .rcore.lzo file | 20:09 |
| artemma | special: yep, I think lzo things is what it generates | 20:10 |
| coderus | special: is it same dump i cal load into gdb and backtrace ? | 20:10 |
| special | it can be extracted with rich-core-extract, which is in ..some mer-tools package I think | 20:10 |
| special | probably sp-rich-core | 20:10 |
| artemma | would be cool if somebody could make an article or blog post about how to use it ;) | 20:10 |
| special | that will give you a bunch of files, journal and package info, and the coredump is in there | 20:10 |
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| artemma | and where/how to get the tool. I've got it directly from Stskeeps (or maybe it was special ?) | 20:10 |
| special | I think it's mostly an internal tool at the moment? I don't know | 20:11 |
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| kimmoli | rich-core-extract | 20:11 |
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| artemma | well, it could be useful to make it public | 20:12 |
| artemma | for people like coderus | 20:12 |
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| * artemma imagines even some automatic tool for beta testers that would automagically upload Mitakuuluu crashes to coderus, Quick Launcher crashes to artemma , etc :) | 20:13 | |
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| artemma | such automagic thing is probably beyond Jolla's scope, but some 3rd party dev could create it and base app->dev mapping e.g. on chum repos | 20:14 |
| special | there can be quite a bit of personal information included in the dumps. | 20:14 |
| kimmoli | afaik it is just routing the reports to correct person/place in internet | 20:14 |
| kimmoli | that needs to have privacy, yes | 20:15 |
| artemma | special: sure, that would be only for beta testers willing to be, well, beta-testers | 20:15 |
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| artemma | anyway, such automation would be for a proper beta testing service such as TestFlight in iOS world | 20:15 |
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| artemma | I guess things like that will be created naturally when/if there's certain amount of commercial development for Sailfish | 20:16 |
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| faiden | sending with jolla through openvpn to znc :) | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: like what Abrt does in Fedora & RHEL ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_reporter#ABRT_-_Automated_Bug-Reporting_Tool | 20:18 |
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| artemma | How TestFlight works is that it basically installs top exception handler for your app and then sends crash dumps to home base | 20:18 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: yeah, something like this | 20:19 |
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| artemma | except that in commercial world it is certainly on the app-specific basis, not for whole system | 20:19 |
| artemma | and for beta testers no explicit confirmation is needed | 20:19 |
| M4rtinK | well, that could be configured I guess | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | also Abrt does some sanitisation IIRC | 20:20 |
| artemma | Jolla is different. OpenSource image is a big attraction here, so some Sailfish-wide solution for all packages verifiedenough to be e.g. in chum could be welcome | 20:21 |
| M4rtinK | but you can tell it to send the full dump | 20:21 |
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| M4rtinK | well, even stuff like "hey, AppFoo 3.14 just crashed" reported automatically would be useful | 20:22 |
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| M4rtinK | if the application did not crash before but starts crashing at once | 20:22 |
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| artemma | yeah. Would be good to have some manual process first though :) | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | after an update or system update | 20:22 |
| * artemma hopes for some blog post or article or wiki page on how to use some sample tool(s) for collecting and analyzing your crashes from the users | 20:23 | |
| M4rtinK | artemma: sure, first things first :) | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: I'm just nothing what is already there and might be useful vs writing everything from the ground up :) | 20:24 |
| artemma | well, Jolla has at least some tool already working. It's just not public | 20:24 |
| artemma | or just not promoted maybe | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | special: not internal, just config | 20:27 |
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| mornfall | another reboot | 20:29 |
| mornfall | indicator showing 0% battery | 20:29 |
| mornfall | shutdown | 20:29 |
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| mornfall | (booting) | 20:30 |
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| mornfall | 16% after a boot | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | contact care? | 20:32 |
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| special | Stskeeps: quick-feedback though? | 20:34 |
| pdanek1 | mornfall: I had same issues, battery status is useless | 20:35 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: I didn't want to hear that. :| | 20:35 |
| mornfall | also, journal is wiped on reboot... meh | 20:35 |
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| pdanek1 | mornfall: almost always when I reboot the phone, battery level is different from the one before reboot | 20:36 |
| pdanek1 | mornfall: but I stopped caring about it, let me see if it happens after latest update too.... | 20:37 |
| pdanek1 | mornfall: ok I can't check, my battery level is too high at the moment | 20:38 |
| faiden | time to change the hostfile to remove comercial! | 20:39 |
| phlixi_ | how about less rebooting for longer battery life :D | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: well, it is not wiped :) | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: it is just never written to persistent storage in the first place :) | 20:41 |
| artemma | phlixi_: rebooting is an integral part for connection handover for some people here ;) | 20:42 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: but you can set it to be persistent, see: https://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/ | 20:42 |
| * artemma often reboots manually to fix connection, some people reboot automatically due to that bad battery contact | 20:42 | |
| phlixi_ | move less :D | 20:42 |
| AlmAck | coderus: hi, first thank you for mitäkuuluu app, really a beautifull sailfish app. I updated 20min ago with 0.7.5-1 but now I'm not able anymore to open a conversation. If I press it I see the color that change, but the editing page is not showed, it remains on the main page. | 20:42 |
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| pdanek1 | connection issues here too, sometimes I just need to reboot | 20:43 |
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| pdanek1 | restarting networking service could help, but reboot does the job | 20:44 |
| pdanek1 | fortunately Jolla boots blazing fast! | 20:44 |
| AlmAck | I can confirm, same here | 20:44 |
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| mornfall | pdanek1: blazing fast? you sure? | 20:48 |
| pdanek1 | mornfall: well faster than my previous Android | 20:49 |
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| mornfall | pdanek1: yup, it's faster than a slug :D | 20:49 |
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| mornfall | I don't think it boots faster than my laptop though... | 20:50 |
| pdanek1 | is iPhone 5s faster? | 20:50 |
| mornfall | no idea | 20:50 |
| pdanek1 | my laptop boots VERY slow | 20:50 |
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| mornfall | pdanek1: you need an SSD :P | 20:53 |
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| phdeswer | Usually not starting so much stuff helps too... | 20:54 |
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| pdanek1 | It's corporate version of RHEL 6.5, a bit bloated, I keep it in almost default state, not touching it much, running on standard disk, whole disk encryption on top of that | 20:56 |
| pdanek1 | boot is very slow | 20:56 |
| pdanek1 | I mean, customized company version | 20:56 |
| pdanek1 | I want FreeBSD 10 on my laptop! :D | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | LUKS can slow down hard disk bandwidth quite a bit | 20:57 |
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| pdanek1 | indeed | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | newer CPUs with hardware encryption accelerations help, but on an older machine it can be noticeable | 20:58 |
| mornfall | pdanek1: for a moment I thought we are colleagues :-P | 20:58 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, my boot: | 21:00 |
| M4rtinK | systemd-analyze | 21:00 |
| M4rtinK | Startup finished in 1.794s (kernel) + 1.598s (initrd) + 2.966s (userspace) = 6.358s | 21:00 |
| M4rtinK | could still be better, but still a bit faster than Jolla :) | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | oh, systemd-analyze is available in the Sailfish OS repos! :) | 21:04 |
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| mornfall | M4rtinK: I think big chunks of the boot are spent pre-kernel and post-login on Jolla | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | ok then, calling systemd-analyze on my Jolla: | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | Startup finished in 4424ms (kernel) + 68555ms (userspace) = 72980ms | 21:05 |
| mornfall | ok, that's a *lot* | 21:05 |
| special | it might be overestimating | 21:06 |
| special | we have a lot of things in the user session. | 21:06 |
| faiden | hmm where are the ambience pictures located? | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | and this is sytemd-analyze blame: | 21:06 |
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| M4rtinK | http://privatepaste.com/d9b9d2deac | 21:06 |
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| pdanek1 | mornfall: why colleagues? :O | 21:08 |
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| mornfall | M4rtinK: interesting, is user-session@ the post-login chunk? | 21:09 |
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| M4rtinK | mornfall: no idea ? :) | 21:10 |
| phdeswer | Weird. I think systemd-analyze is quite buggy. Some stuff there do not sound correct and it is missing some services... | 21:10 |
| mornfall | also, mount-sd... probably waiting for an overlong timeout | 21:10 |
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| phdeswer | 259ms init-done.service And afaik this is just a systemd signal... | 21:11 |
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| M4rtinK | and there is the boot graph svg it spits out: | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | http://www.modrana.org/misc/jolla_boot_graph.svg | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | :) | 21:16 |
| faiden | is it worth it increasing the gpu govenor? | 21:16 |
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| phdeswer | M4rtinK: interesting to see, however wrong it is... I am surprised it managed to miss pulseaudio for example | 21:20 |
| phdeswer | and timed, profiled, ... | 21:21 |
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| M4rtinK | will be interesting to see how/if the output changes with new systemd | 21:22 |
| M4rtinK | well, amybe those are started later or on demand ? | 21:22 |
| M4rtinK | or maybe systemd-analyze just measures up to some target that is reached before these services are started | 21:23 |
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| phdeswer | M4rtinK: nope they are not. I just think systemd-analyze is buggy | 21:23 |
| phdeswer | Since some of those times don't make sense either | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, could very well be | 21:23 |
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| FireFly | M4rtinK: hm, how did you get the startup time down so much? especially the kernel part | 21:35 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.6 PROPER uploaded | 21:39 |
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| M4rtinK | FireFly: on my PC ? | 21:48 |
| FireFly | Yeah | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK | FireFly: mainly thanks to KINGSTON SH103S3240G :) | 21:49 |
| CraigA | woogooo | 21:49 |
| CraigA | rather, woohoo | 21:50 |
| FireFly | oh.. SSD | 21:50 |
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| CraigA | i have my second jolla now. how do I sync contact between the devices | 21:50 |
| M4rtinK | advertised as giving about 500 MB/s up and down | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | and the advertised values do seem to hold in practice :) | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | other than that, Fedora has a host-only initrd, which has only machine specific stuff in it so it should load and finish faster | 21:52 |
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| M4rtinK | also I've killed a few services started during startup I didn't need | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | such as the Plymouth boot screen | 21:54 |
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| FireFly | Hmm | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | not that it made much of a difference | 21:54 |
| FireFly | I should try one of them fancy SSDs someday | 21:54 |
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| M4rtinK | well, from my point of view they are finally at a price point where one does not need to make big compromises regarding the size | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | that kingston was very cheep for the huge overall speed boost it gave | 21:57 |
| M4rtinK | also recently various SSH caching technologies showed up that make buying a SSD even more of a no-brainer | 21:58 |
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| M4rtinK | for example bcache, dm-cache or the recently introduced lvm cache | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | you basically tell them "cache all random IO for this slow block device on this fast block device" and "skip all sequential IO to prevent the cache from being flushed all the time" | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | BAM - another speedup for any remaining spinning storage even just with a small (10-20 GB) caching partition on a SSD :) | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | some really nice stuff :) | 22:04 |
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| Sailor9567 | hi everyone | 22:13 |
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| Sailor9567 | lately, every time i reboot my jolla the phone disables the 'swipe closing' shortcut and i have to enable it manually, any ideas? | 22:15 |
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| sledges | Sailor9567: first time i hear that, would you submit a but to TJC pls? | 22:51 |
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| Sailor9567 | ok | 22:52 |
| sledges | *bug :) | 22:52 |
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