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| Stskeeps | good morning | 05:01 |
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| Quu | but mom its too early | 05:54 |
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| coderus | its 12:11 here :P | 06:12 |
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| AL13N | coderus: still too early | 07:13 |
| Yaniel | just to make sure, what should the permissions for music files on the sd card be? | 07:14 |
| Yaniel | atm everything there is rwxrwx--- for nemo:nemo | 07:15 |
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| AL13N | 'll probably be fine (for now) | 07:17 |
| coderus | Yaniel: any allowing reading for everyone | 07:19 |
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| tbr | now that is interesting. left my jolla on AP mode over night, but with charger connected. In the morning it was blinking red. | 07:51 |
| tbr | Reconnected different charger, still red blinking. | 07:51 |
| tbr | Removed battery, put it back in, connected charger, pushed power button, still red blinking. | 07:51 |
| tbr | now led lights up white-ish | 07:54 |
| tbr | OK, now it switched to charging mode | 07:57 |
| * tbr writes it of as PMIC weirdness, followed by deep discharge of battery, probably down to built in security cut-off. | 07:57 | |
| tbr | phdeswer: are you familiar with the charging state diagram? I suspect a negative power budget and failure to shut down on critical battery voltage | 08:01 |
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| faiden | Would be nice if they would add a TOX app to sailfish | 08:10 |
| AL13N | Raim: ping, see pm | 08:13 |
| AL13N | Raim: it's about fscache stat+debug+objectlist config options | 08:14 |
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| coderus | faiden: who? | 08:51 |
| faiden | You know those guys that does that sort of stuff | 08:51 |
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| phdeswer | tbr: vaguely. | 09:15 |
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| coderus | faiden: ah, i thought you tell me... | 09:35 |
| faiden | I might just do that! | 09:35 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 10:28 |
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| stephg | hey ggabriel | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | how's tricks? | 10:33 |
| stephg | so so, nice sunny day outside, I'm sat at a computer inside, the usual :) you? | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | awakening ;-) | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | will cycle/climb later, so hoping that the sun stays | 10:33 |
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| stephg | I hope so too! | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | leave the computer work for later :) | 10:35 |
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| stephg | the computer work is itself procrastination from the house work ;) | 10:56 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i'm with you on that one | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | house work will have to wait tho :P | 10:57 |
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| ln- | http://www.hs.fi/tekniikka/Joko+nyt+uskaltaisi+ostaa+Jollan+k%C3%A4nnyk%C3%A4n/a1401421877894 | 11:10 |
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| faenil | is this true? https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/status/472016226613329920 | 12:52 |
| faenil | what is missing in the tablet port?out of curiosity :) | 12:52 |
| Kondou | faenil: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 12:53 |
| Kondou | you can (apparently) install it on the orig nexus 7 | 12:53 |
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| Kondou | can't test it, because I only have a 2013 one, and no display and no touch is pretty bad :D | 12:54 |
| faenil | Kondou, yeah the wiki doesn't say anything bad, that's why I wanted to know | 12:55 |
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| Sailor8545 | Hello, what is the success plan for Jolla in China? Being cheaper than competition, or having independent customizable OS? | 13:09 |
| Sailor8545 | what makes Jolla in China better than dozens of Android Chinese brands? | 13:10 |
| faenil | Sailor8545, you won't get many replies on sunday :D | 13:19 |
| faenil | but basically you can read the interviews to jolla people | 13:19 |
| faenil | and there's always the question "what should people choose sailfish over android" | 13:19 |
| faenil | and you get their replies from there ;) | 13:19 |
| faenil | why* | 13:19 |
| Sailor8545 | hmm | 13:23 |
| faenil | Sailor8545, I guess you will *at least* find the following reasons in those interviews | 13:24 |
| faenil | 1) fast moving OS, 2) many upgrades, 3) NSA-free | 13:24 |
| faenil | 4) gesture based UI | 13:25 |
| faenil | 5) innovative UX | 13:25 |
| faenil | 6) DoItTogether movement | 13:25 |
| faenil | 7) completely different from the rest | 13:26 |
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| Quu | BETTER THAN ALL THE REST | 13:38 |
| faenil | (just to make it clear, those are the things you'll probably find in the interviews, I didn't say why *I* chose jolla) | 13:38 |
| faenil | Quu, :D | 13:38 |
| Quu | now i got that stupid song stuck in my head. | 13:38 |
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| elfio | Hello there! I'm wondering when are the hardware development kit to be released, any idea? Thanks! | 14:24 |
| Quu | elfio: there is TOH SDK | 14:26 |
| Quu | errrh, dev-thingies | 14:27 |
| Quu | i cant english | 14:27 |
| faenil | elfio, what kind of hw dev kit? | 14:28 |
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| faenil | those vendors need to make phones with sailfish os? | 14:28 |
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| elfio | Quu: faenil the one to port sailfish to android phones | 14:29 |
| Quu | not sure if released yet | 14:29 |
| faenil | elfio, ah HADK | 14:29 |
| faenil | not released yet | 14:29 |
| elfio | ok | 14:29 |
| faenil | no idea when, they keep saying "soon" | 14:29 |
| elfio | any idea where I could be up to news? | 14:29 |
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| elfio | yes I know, that's why I came by to ask you guys :p | 14:30 |
| faenil | but if you're courageous you can already start your port and ask for help here when you're stuck | 14:30 |
| faenil | elfio, asking on Sunday is not the best idea :D | 14:30 |
| elfio | faenil: well it's my most-free day of the week :) | 14:30 |
| faenil | I can imagine ;) | 14:31 |
| Tegu | hi, doesn anybody know how to force mono output (with headphones)? it would be handy when using only one earbud | 14:31 |
| elfio | anything about the android launcher? | 14:31 |
| faenil | elfio, I think I read somewhere that the launcher is coming out in June | 14:32 |
| faenil | but my info could be totally unreliable as I can't remember where I read it | 14:32 |
| elfio | faenil: ok | 14:32 |
| faenil | maybe in one of the weekly meetings with sailors | 14:32 |
| elfio | faenil: that's more than nothing :p | 14:32 |
| faenil | :) | 14:32 |
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| Tegu | I tried some pulseaudio commands that were found by googling "pulseaudio mono output" but when I changed the stream to another sink, the sound just disappeared. sry cannot link with fingerterm | 14:32 |
| elfio | faenil: Quu thank you guys, have a nice day! :) | 14:33 |
| faenil | elfio, by the way, a lot of stuff you need to port sailfishos to android phones is here https://github.com/mer-hybris/ | 14:33 |
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| elfio | faenil: ok! thank you again ;) | 14:33 |
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| faenil | elfio, and if your phone already supports cyanogenmod 10.1 there's a chance you can succeed maybe with some help from here | 14:33 |
| faenil | np | 14:34 |
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| javispedro | so I have this nemo "non VM" SDK (ie a chroot) which I manually "created" from the SDK VM contents | 14:42 |
| javispedro | it worked very well but now it's time to upgrade it.. | 14:42 |
| javispedro | and despite the fact that "ssu lr" returns the same for the VM and the chroot, | 14:42 |
| javispedro | zypper upgrade offers me new versions on the VM that it does not find on the chroot | 14:42 |
| javispedro | e.g. sdk-sb2-config 0.63.33-10.2.1.jolla in SDK VM vs 0.63.27-10.15.1.jolla in SDK chroot | 14:43 |
| javispedro | is there some additional dark magic ssu performs to select a "release" or sth like that? | 14:43 |
| javispedro | wait | 14:44 |
| Quu | dark magic is best magic | 14:44 |
| * javispedro headdesks repeteadly | 14:44 | |
| javispedro | "zypper refresh" | 14:44 |
| faenil | headdesking is the best magic | 14:44 |
| faenil | javispedro, I was about to tell that :D | 14:44 |
| javispedro | for some reason I was expecting it to be like yum and refresh when upgrading =) | 14:44 |
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| javispedro | meh, mine is totally and utterly broken these days | 14:46 |
| javispedro | on the other hand my russian is improving, tavarish | 14:47 |
| javispedro | (russian colleague at work =) ) | 14:47 |
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| faenil | lol | 14:48 |
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| Aard | javispedro: ssu only does repo management, nothing on higher level | 14:57 |
| javispedro | well, I saw some mentions of "release" that were worrying me | 14:57 |
| javispedro | (obviously, in the wrong direction :) ) | 14:57 |
| Aard | ? | 14:57 |
| javispedro | "ssu s" shows "Release: latest" | 14:58 |
| Aard | javispedro: on a nemo device, that's fine. on a jolla phone, that means you played with stuff you shouldn't have :p | 14:58 |
| javispedro | it's SDK | 14:58 |
| Aard | on an sdk that shouldn't be the case as well, but might be there for historical reasons | 14:59 |
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| javispedro | but I suppose that it just changes the URLs the repos are pointing too | 14:59 |
| Aard | yep | 14:59 |
| javispedro | in which case just ensuring "lr" lists the same repo URLs would be enough | 14:59 |
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| faenil | he's on nemosdk, not sailfish sdk, if I understood correctly | 14:59 |
| Aard | see /usr/share/ssu/repos.ini for url definitions before magic happens | 14:59 |
| javispedro | faenil: I'm basically on old nemo platform sdk, "upgraded" to sailfishsdk | 15:00 |
| javispedro | (yes, I know I'm on my own) | 15:00 |
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| Aard | javispedro: I'm personally developing on a mer chroot sdk from over 2 years ago moved over to sailfish | 15:01 |
| Aard | plus running in lxc | 15:01 |
| javispedro | I love it :) | 15:02 |
| javispedro | Btw on the latest official SDK release QtC seems to want to build RPM packages even if deployment method is "just rsync files" | 15:02 |
| javispedro | so the fact that on the VM it takes ~30secs to build even the simples of packages is now more annoying | 15:03 |
| Aard | jake next door can answer that, I don't have much to do with the fancy sdk bits | 15:03 |
| Aard | I'm using some custom hacks: http://pastebin.com/nCVpeSzH and http://pastebin.com/YwCMK6Q1 | 15:04 |
| javispedro | heh | 15:05 |
| Aard | and use sdkdo with emacs compile mode to build inside the sdk in sb2 | 15:05 |
| javispedro | same thing except I have chroot instead of ssh ;P | 15:05 |
| Aard | the rch mentioned there is another custom hack I did back when I was working on MeeGo for Nokia. does similar things than mb2, plus is an attempt at finding out how much of an rpm specfile you can parse with regular expressions | 15:06 |
| javispedro | https://github.com/mer-tools/sdk-setup/blob/master/src/mb2 | 15:08 |
| javispedro | now I see that deploy --rsync is supposed to actually partially build the RPM | 15:08 |
| Aard | http://pastebin.com/tTNrAf5a | 15:09 |
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| m4g0g | hello | 17:04 |
| m4g0g | who did get message about updating google serive? | 17:04 |
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| Nicd- | you mean "account needs to be updated"? | 17:04 |
| Nicd- | or google apps? | 17:04 |
| faenil | which msg, where? | 17:04 |
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| m4g0g | when I start google plus it see message: you need to update google play services | 17:07 |
| m4g0g | it shows* | 17:07 |
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| m4g0g | This app won't run unless you update google play services - this is in englis, i guess | 17:09 |
| stephg | yeah | 17:09 |
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| m4g0g | any ideas? | 17:17 |
| stephg | what's the timestamp on the gapps/phonesky you have there? | 17:19 |
| stephg | all I know is it can be done | 17:19 |
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| m4g0g | stephg: how I can check this? | 17:25 |
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| stephg | well you must have downloaded both by hand in the first place... | 17:30 |
| m4g0g | 10.02.14 | 17:31 |
| stephg | basically the instructions should be exactly the same as for installing the google store stuff in the first place | 17:33 |
| stephg | you need a newer google apps zips and the phonesky apk | 17:34 |
| stephg | both of those should be available on various android fora | 17:34 |
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| pipapo | hello, I'm a proud owner of a new jolla. Everything is fine but there is a strange behaveiour with davfs | 18:16 |
| pipapo | I can mount and umount over ssh, but not on jolla itself | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | .. davfs? | 18:18 |
| pipapo | yes, davfs. | 18:18 |
| pipapo | It's working well over ssh. On jolla I get 'to much arguments'. | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | show me a usage? | 18:19 |
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| pipapo | login as nemo via ssh. Then mount /home/nemo/dav | 18:20 |
| pipapo | /etc/fstab: https://de.owncube.com/remote.php/webdav /home/nemo/dav davfs noauto,user 0 0 | 18:21 |
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| pipapo | secrets etc. doing fine | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, i'm not confident we have davfs | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | is it fuse based? | 18:22 |
| pipapo | I think, it's davfs2 from warehouse | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | okay, no idea then | 18:23 |
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| pipapo | Any idea what might be the difference between login over ssh and the developer-shell on jolla? | 18:31 |
| phdeswer | pipapo: should be exactly the same. | 18:32 |
| phdeswer | Unless you mean the on device terminal with developer shell? | 18:33 |
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| pipapo | yes | 18:34 |
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| pipapo | e.g. with nfs both ways are working well | 18:37 |
| phdeswer | Not really sure if there is really a difference... but you never know | 18:46 |
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| Turski | pipapo: have you tried this? https://together.jolla.com/question/5561/make-fingertermbash-startup-execute-standard-profilebashrc-scripts/#post-id-12285 | 18:55 |
| Turski | pipapo: sound like something that could be caused by POSIXLY_CORRECT | 18:56 |
| Turski | still waiting for the fix for that from Jolla ;) | 18:56 |
| Turski | no comments on bug i opened on github https://github.com/nemomobile/mapplauncherd/issues/22 | 18:57 |
| Aard | Turski: for fingerterm, pull request with patch? :p | 18:59 |
| Turski | Aard: that's no fingerterm bug | 18:59 |
| w00t | Turski: ping special about it when he's around | 19:00 |
| Turski | Aard: and i haven't bothered to find out how to build mapplauncherd stuff.. and also i don't want to crap my device trying my own fixes | 19:00 |
| Turski | special: ^ | 19:00 |
| special | both of those are solvable problems ;) | 19:01 |
| pipapo | That's it! Wow, thanks a lot to all! | 19:01 |
| Turski | pipapo: np | 19:01 |
| Aard | Turski: that's easy, buy a second one :p | 19:02 |
| Turski | Aard: how about Jolla sending me second device for these purposes? | 19:02 |
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| Turski | special: would be nice if someone fixed it ;) | 19:03 |
| pipapo | now I can mount/umount with this ShellEx thing | 19:03 |
| special | Turski: from a quick read, there isn't a good alternative to that for how invoker needs to process arguments | 19:04 |
| special | Turski: so I guess the fix would be to unset it (*if* it wasn't set originally) after getopt_long in invoker.c | 19:04 |
| Turski | special: that's what i suggested on that bug report | 19:04 |
| Turski | shouldn't be too hard to implement :) | 19:05 |
| special | it's too hard for a sunday evening ;) | 19:05 |
| special | but I'll try it out in the morning | 19:05 |
| special | but you should write a patch anyway, it'll be fun! | 19:05 |
| Turski | special: i tried to figure out how to build that stuff but i gave up | 19:06 |
| special | Aard: are there any good documents on that these days? | 19:06 |
| Aard | in theory, sdk + mb2 | 19:07 |
| special | on setting it up, I mean. As I recall the mer sdk wiki is somewhat daunting | 19:07 |
| pipapo | for the record....mount davfs on jolla works with this workaround. On Jolla umount works only with umount.davfs | 19:08 |
| javispedro | wtf | 19:08 |
| javispedro | or just give up on getopt and use popt | 19:08 |
| javispedro | probably already pulled in as a dep since system is rpm | 19:09 |
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| special | javispedro: patches welcome? :p | 19:10 |
| * javispedro too busy bricking his device | 19:10 | |
| javispedro | ;P | 19:10 |
| special | mapplauncherd is one of the more effective ways to do it | 19:10 |
| Turski | :) | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | we should really just give out a full-system x86 emulator image.. | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | more hackability | 19:43 |
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| Sailor8545 | Which OS is more lightweight, Sailfish or BB10? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | i've not throughtoutly studied BB10, which is Qt on top of QNX in practice. but they haven't been really attempting BB10 on low end devices, from what i know. | 20:21 |
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| faenil | Sailor8545, RAM-wise, probably sailfish | 20:24 |
| faenil | Sailor8545, CPU/GPU wise probably BB10 | 20:24 |
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| faenil | as in, BB10 has weaker hardware and is much smoother, currently | 20:24 |
| Sailor8545 | I see. Since QNX is very lightweight OS, but the final BB10 may not be. | 20:24 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: have you been able to check BT WLAN coexistance on Android device? | 20:25 |
| Sailor8545 | good stuff | 20:25 |
| javispedro | does anyone know of a popular Android device with BT 4.0? | 20:25 |
| javispedro | oh, motoG | 20:26 |
| javispedro | hmhm, will try to ask owner of such device later | 20:26 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: basically I've reading the open "prima" wlan driver and found that with working bt/wlan coex. driver will "turn off heartbeats" when BT scan/inquiry is in progress | 20:27 |
| javispedro | now driver used on Jolla seems to be _very_ similar, but I've been dissassembling those parts (don't ask) and unfortunately those parts seem to be quite different | 20:28 |
| javispedro | but all points that the driver authors fully intented for bluetooth scans to kill WLAN. | 20:28 |
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| javispedro | and fwiw the Jolla driver _does_ print "turning off heartbeats" in log when bt scan starts, so bt/wlan coex is doing what it intended to do. | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | the better question is what price points each OS can get to, you can do a awesome lightweight OS that nobody wants to use | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: that looks like something i need to look at.. | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | but tomorrow | 20:34 |
| javispedro | yeah, np | 20:34 |
| javispedro | been wasting a cloudy sunday afternoon into building my kernel =) | 20:35 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, if I were Jolla, I would keep my mouth shut about pricing :P | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: i'm happy to live in a totally delusional world.. pricing is such a fun topic | 20:36 |
| javispedro | which btw reminds me of this ugly "unlocked" mark in red letters during boot | 20:36 |
| * javispedro rolls eyes | 20:36 | |
| Stskeeps | well, at least it's not the mark of the devil, n950/n9 style.. | 20:37 |
| javispedro | touché | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | and tbh i'd like to know somehow if i could not trust my bootloader anymore | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | (bad argument, i know..) | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | now time for sleep | 20:38 |
| javispedro | great idea | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sailor8545: you can perhaps send some questions to the sailfishos devel mailing list, with more extensive questions/context, then everybody can learn from it | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | and it'll reach people in jolla who can answer more officially, compared to community her | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | e | 20:39 |
| Sailor8545 | chit-chat is enough so far, I don't need official ansqers, just user experiences :) | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | you seem to have a jolla of your own, i think, so peek around in the system ps aux | 20:40 |
| Sailor8545 | and c'mon, you're like father of Jolla Stskeeprs | 20:40 |
| Sailor8545 | with Mer :) | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but doesn't matter what i say here.. i'm just a potentially delusional private person | 20:41 |
| Sailor8545 | I'm pdanek :D, just chilling with default nick in IRC app :D | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | in this context | 20:41 |
| Sailor8545 | true | 20:41 |
| Sailor8545 | have you checked how to transfer the domain to you? :D | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | not yet.. one more headache to remember | 20:42 |
| Sailor8545 | :D | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | now time for sleep | 20:44 |
| javispedro | subject: "remember to wake up tomorrow at some point" | 20:44 |
| javispedro | =) | 20:44 |
| stephg | gnight | 20:44 |
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| faenil | javispedro, lol | 20:47 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, good night o/ | 20:47 |
| javispedro | gnite indeed. | 20:47 |
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| javispedro | hmm, but the motoG uses a msm8226, maybe too diferent | 20:50 |
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| javispedro | it's funny than one has to go to microsoft, of all people, to find a proper "locked" bootloader implementation | 21:04 |
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| javispedro | default state = locked | 21:04 |
| javispedro | disabling signature verification done in preboot environment => results in "scary" red boot screen | 21:05 |
| javispedro | enrolling your own kernel key => scary screen gone | 21:05 |
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| ggabriel | df -h | 22:37 |
| ggabriel | arg, wc :P | 22:38 |
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| stephg | hehe | 22:45 |
| maddler | quite quiet in here | 22:49 |
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| pdanek | Google Ara = OtherHalf v6.5 | 22:57 |
| pdanek | Or what Other Half should have been. :P | 22:57 |
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