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| CraigA | my Jolla got ran over by a truck last night :/ | 01:55 |
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| entil | CraigA: :( | 04:40 |
| entil | CraigA: insurance? | 04:40 |
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| Anz_ | i guess not :( only warranty. | 04:51 |
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| Quu | gief update pl0x | 06:37 |
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| Teme2 | pls gtfo lols | 06:42 |
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| Nicd- | how does the wireless charging in those funkyotherhalfs work? do you need to buy something extra? | 06:42 |
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| Teme | hmm, i wonder why my nick is Teme2 | 06:43 |
| Teme | and now it's not | 06:43 |
| Teme | :D | 06:43 |
| Quu | Nicd-: thats what i was wondering too | 06:48 |
| Quu | they are probably only the things you attach to battery | 06:48 |
| Quu | and need the charger itself | 06:48 |
| Quu | *needs | 06:49 |
| Quu | kinda want wireless charging, no need to kill the usb-port yet :p | 06:50 |
| Nicd- | wireless charging would be fun | 06:50 |
| Quu | indeed it would | 06:51 |
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| Quu | hmm, parts would cost about 20e | 06:56 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 07:04 |
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| Nicd- | morning Stskeeps | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | wireless charging goes on the pins | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | I was mostly thinking about two things: if it's "real" wireless charging and not just charging a battery pack which is connected to the phone with microusb, and if I need to buy a charging pad myself (which I assume I have to) | 07:07 |
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| Stskeeps | well, if it's done in the way i've seen wireless charging done; then it goes on the power in pin in the TOH interface | 07:07 |
| Nicd- | that is what I'm hoping for as well :P | 07:08 |
| radekp | btw i have new solar panel attached to jolla, but still it's useless for jolla charging, there must be something wrong with jolla HW :( | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | i thought somebody already got solar TOH going | 07:08 |
| radekp | but he has the same problem... | 07:08 |
| radekp | and he has huge panel which covers camera | 07:09 |
| radekp | my panel provides 80mA but jolla is still on the edge of charging/dischargnig | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | 80mA is a bit low isn't it? | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if TOH spec talks about it | 07:09 |
| radekp | well jolla takes in standby ~6mA so i was hoping to charge with ~70mA | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | it's really low. even USB provides 100 mA at minimum I think and that's not enough for charging some phones | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | but I'm not an expert on those things so I could be really wrong | 07:11 |
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| radekp | i was reading about some older samsung model which had solar panel and it worked well there... | 07:11 |
| sharpneli | radekp: How do you determine it's on the edge? You leave it on sunlight for an hour and the battery level has not really changed? | 07:11 |
| Quu | uhm | 07:12 |
| Quu | even 500ma is not enough if the phone does something | 07:12 |
| radekp | sharpneli: yup | 07:12 |
| sharpneli | How did you measure the standby current btw? | 07:13 |
| tango_ | radekp: does your pael actually provide 80mA sustained or is that peak in direct sunlight under optimal conditions? | 07:15 |
| sharpneli | Few tens of milliwatts of standby power usage seems to be really low. | 07:15 |
| radekp | sharpneli: i have app that reads charge_now value and computes it | 07:15 |
| sharpneli | Ah. That's not too reliable | 07:15 |
| radekp | sjtoik: https://openrepos.net/content/radekp/battery-monitor | 07:15 |
| radekp | sharpneli: https://openrepos.net/content/radekp/battery-monitor | 07:15 |
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| sharpneli | radekp: Check the current values and calculate power usage from there | 07:16 |
| sharpneli | What's the voltage your solar cells give btw? | 07:16 |
| radekp | sharpneli: well if you have long intervals between measuring the results are quite ok | 07:16 |
| radekp | sharpneli: i have now 5V panel | 07:16 |
| sharpneli | Yap. But the point is that charge_now can be poorly calibrated. That's why the battery can suddenly jump from large to smaller charge. | 07:16 |
| sharpneli | The only thing the phone actually knows is the voltage and the current it draws. | 07:17 |
| sharpneli | And based on the voltage it tries to reason about remaining charge | 07:17 |
| radekp | sharpneli: yup i know - but jolla can be ~7days in standby without charging so i thing those 6mA is real | 07:18 |
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| * tango_ could only do 7 days in standby without a sim | 07:19 | |
| radekp | hmm i just use 2G so maybe that could be it | 07:20 |
| Aard | tango_: all my devices hve a sim card, and between releases I now and then forget about a device for a week or so. usually they still have some battery left when I discover them again | 07:22 |
| tango_ | maybe before the sim I could actually use them for a whole week without it losing too much charge | 07:23 |
| tango_ | _also_, where I am the cellphone presence is a little flaky, which might add to the discharge speed | 07:24 |
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| sharpneli | Based on simple test where the Jolla has it's screen turn off but the cpu's are still bit 'on' as it runs the terminal it drew 80mA | 07:25 |
| sharpneli | At 3.7V | 07:25 |
| tango_ | but if the terminal is repsonding it's probably not in deep sleep | 07:25 |
| sharpneli | It's never always on deep sleep because it must be ready for incoming calls etc. Sure it spends most of the time in deep sleep | 07:26 |
| tango_ | ("it's never always", nice sentence ;-)) | 07:27 |
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| sharpneli | Sorry. Drinking my first coffee now :) | 07:28 |
| tango_ | but it actually makes sense | 07:28 |
| sharpneli | It seems that simply the backlight of the screen draws around 100mA. Then rest of the system in light load wiggles between 100-500mA when one is playing with the terminal. | 07:30 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. Using the Jolla phone with the latest SailfishOS, I received an MMS yesterday and it did not download/display it at all and the spinner widget just kept on spinning. Afterward I also was not able to use UMTS anymore. The telephone worked fine though. | 09:13 |
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| PaulePanter | How do I go on to get this reported/fixed? | 09:13 |
| special | you can long press to cancel it and try to restart it that way | 09:14 |
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| special | some of that should improve in the next few updates | 09:14 |
| PaulePanter | By the way, restarting the phone solved the UMTS conenction problem. | 09:14 |
| PaulePanter | *connection | 09:14 |
| PaulePanter | special: I see thanks. | 09:14 |
| PaulePanter | Next question, is there a way to easily read through all my email in the email application? | 09:14 |
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| PaulePanter | Swiping left/right as on other phones goes back to the overview or forward to the detailed view. | 09:15 |
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| Nicd- | I don't think there's a way to skip to the next mail other than going back and selecting it | 09:15 |
| leinir | pull-down? | 09:15 |
| PaulePanter | Nicd-: Ok, so I did not overlook anything. | 09:16 |
| leinir | (haven't tried, but it'd be where i'd perhaps expect that to sit) | 09:16 |
| Nicd- | leinir: nope | 09:16 |
| leinir | shot in the dark ;) | 09:16 |
| PaulePanter | leinir: No, there is no such option in the pull down menu. | 09:16 |
| PaulePanter | Nicd-, leinir: That is one case where the swipe approach conflicts with other useful gestures. | 09:17 |
| PaulePanter | I guess, swiping right to left should show the next message instead of detailed view and the detailed view should be moved to the pull-down menu. | 09:18 |
| PaulePanter | On the otherhand that would be inconsistent if right-to-left swipe brings you back to the overview. | 09:18 |
| the_mgt | what about "double tap" for "next mail"? | 09:19 |
| Nicd- | that's not intuitive | 09:19 |
| PaulePanter | I think that’d be a great option. Though people would need to be informed about that. | 09:20 |
| the_mgt | better non-intuitive and selectable as option than impossible | 09:20 |
| PaulePanter | Agreed. | 09:20 |
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| PaulePanter | But hopefully someone is going to come up with a better solution. | 09:21 |
| the_mgt | I find it rather inconvenient that I have to switch between accounts to read all new mails | 09:21 |
| PaulePanter | *the perfect solution. | 09:21 |
| the_mgt | atm, what really annoys me is, that I do not get a proper "mail could not be sent due to misconfigured smtp server" error | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | the_mgt: you can read them all from the main view | 09:22 |
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| the_mgt | Nicd-: remove the "new" from my sentence | 09:23 |
| tango_ | qt 5.3 is out | 09:23 |
| the_mgt | I sometimes search for a certain mail, and I can't remember which account received it | 09:23 |
| the_mgt | so I need to browse all of them | 09:23 |
| the_mgt | in main view, a pulley menu on the bottom would be nice with a "read all mail" option | 09:24 |
| PaulePanter | The “perfect email app” would be essential to convince people of the Jolla phone. | 09:24 |
| Nicd- | a combined inbox would be nice, I agree | 09:24 |
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| PaulePanter | Next to the telephone this is probably what most people use. | 09:25 |
| PaulePanter | Especially in the corporate world. | 09:26 |
| PaulePanter | tango_: Any idea, if Sailfish OS is going to be ported to Qt 5.3 or is it staying with Qt 5.1? | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | I think the plan is to move to 5.2 sometime in the future | 09:27 |
| PaulePanter | Ok. | 09:27 |
| Nicd- | probably 5.3 after that (I don't see any reason not to) but no timeframes | 09:27 |
| flux | what does 'porting' mean really, isn't Qt backwards compatible at that level? | 09:28 |
| SK_work | what I would love to see in action is the QML compiler | 09:28 |
| SK_work | (hope that it will be OSS) | 09:28 |
| PaulePanter | Hmm, no nice road map page with planned releases exists. :( | 09:28 |
| SK_work | flux: not in the internals | 09:28 |
| SK_work | they changed their JS engine for example | 09:28 |
| flux | sk_work, does it affect jolla? | 09:29 |
| SK_work | the QML compiler also means "end of patchmanager" though :( | 09:29 |
| SK_work | flux: it can | 09:29 |
| PaulePanter | At least the keywords »sailfish os roadmap« did not give any useful hits. | 09:29 |
| SK_work | if you use private API | 09:29 |
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| Nicd- | PaulePanter: this is for the next two updates: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html | 09:29 |
| PaulePanter | Nicd-: Awesome. Thanks. | 09:30 |
| PaulePanter | Another list I should subscribe to. ;-) | 09:31 |
| pvuorela | flux: software the size of qt tend to have, or expose, regressions here and there that need to be fixed. | 09:31 |
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| faenil | morning o/ | 09:33 |
| flux | pvuorela, if the work hasn't yet been started, perhaps it would then make sense to jump directly to qt5.3? | 09:34 |
| SK_work | morning faenil | 09:35 |
| SK_work | morning flux | 09:35 |
| SK_work | flux: the work has started (IIRC) | 09:35 |
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| tango_ | PaulePanter: no idea | 09:45 |
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| the_mgt | does anybody here has to use a communigate imap server? | 09:59 |
| the_mgt | my university uses one, I can receive mail, but I can not send, since the mail simply get stuck in the outbox | 09:59 |
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| VDVsx | the_mgt, what port, encryption and authentication are you using for smtp ? | 10:03 |
| oh8gnz | the_mgt: yes | 10:03 |
| the_mgt | ssl, 465, and i tried "password" and "none" for authentification | 10:05 |
| VDVsx | the_mgt, and is your username for smtp the same as for imap ? | 10:08 |
| the_mgt | yep | 10:08 |
| VDVsx | the_mgt, what says in the email cover after sending ? | 10:08 |
| the_mgt | 0 unread mails, synchronisation failed | 10:09 |
| VDVsx | the_mgt, if for example you go inside outbox and call update from pulley meny | 10:09 |
| VDVsx | imap works right ? you can get mails ? | 10:09 |
| the_mgt | if i go to outbox, I'll see the stuck mail(s) | 10:10 |
| the_mgt | if I call update, it tries to but fails | 10:10 |
| the_mgt | and yes, I can get mails | 10:11 |
| VDVsx | the_mgt, and the error is synchronisation failed in that case ? | 10:11 |
| VDVsx | sounds like bad config, if was authentication problem would show that | 10:11 |
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| oh8gnz | I have to use my operators smtp | 10:14 |
| oh8gnz | maybe firewall is a reason for me that the mailboxes smtp won't work | 10:14 |
| oh8gnz | operator => mobile operator | 10:14 |
| VDVsx | the_mgt, if you give me you server address, I can try to query the server to see what authentication it supports | 10:15 |
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| the_mgt | VDVsx: groupware.tu-braunschweig.de | 10:17 |
| the_mgt | according to the university homepage, everything is set up correctly | 10:18 |
| the_mgt | and this is not the first mobile phone which i used with that acccount | 10:18 |
| VDVsx | from here I get blocked at least | 10:19 |
| the_mgt | I just reentered everything again, saved it and rebooted the phone. still the same | 10:19 |
| VDVsx | but currently no PTR records from my IP can be that | 10:20 |
| the_mgt | but I do not get sync failed error, simply nothing happens | 10:20 |
| the_mgt | VDVsx: where is your "here"? | 10:20 |
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| VDVsx | finland | 10:20 |
| the_mgt | hm, maybe they block everything non-german | 10:21 |
| oh8gnz | you can't use your mobile operators smtp? | 10:22 |
| VDVsx | the_mgt, if you are able to collect logs I can take a look to them: http://pastebin.com/sN2hCR5U | 10:22 |
| the_mgt | I try | 10:26 |
| the_mgt | oh8gnz: maybe I could, but I'd rather know where the problem is | 10:27 |
| the_mgt | I hate it when computers outsmart me | 10:27 |
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| VDVsx | the_mgt, if works in other devices, has to work in Jolla as well, unless it uses some auth that Jolla does not support, but in that case it would show authentication error | 10:30 |
| the_mgt | ah, while I am here, is there no wget or less in the repos? | 10:31 |
| the_mgt | I mean the official ones | 10:32 |
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| Quu | nope | 10:33 |
| stephg | the_mgt: | 10:34 |
| stephg | they're in mer-tools | 10:34 |
| stephg | (can't remember if wget is or not, but curl is on the device already iirc) | 10:34 |
| stephg | less is in mer-tools definitely tho | 10:34 |
| stephg | the_mgt: ssu ar mer-tools && ssu ur && pkcon refresh && pkcon install less | 10:35 |
| the_mgt | stephg: nice, thanks | 10:38 |
| the_mgt | VDVsx: RECV: "476 connections from your host are denied" | 10:38 |
| the_mgt | gotta call the Rechenzentrum giuys | 10:39 |
| the_mgt | *guys | 10:39 |
| VDVsx | the_mgt, are you using wifi or mobile data ? | 10:40 |
| the_mgt | VDVsx: mobile data | 10:40 |
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| VDVsx | the_mgt, you should try over wifi, probably they are blocking connections based on PTR records(reverse dns) | 10:41 |
| the_mgt | wifi is broken currentl, since this radius/cert bugs in wpa2 enterprise | 10:41 |
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| VDVsx | and your operator does not have that set correctly, there's one in Germany at least with that problem, concast or something similar, I think is a satelite operator of t-mobile | 10:42 |
| the_mgt | VDVsx: thats why I am calling them, they didn't block it previously. Worked flawless on my nokia C7 (same provider) | 10:42 |
| VDVsx | can be something else as well, hard to know, but they will know :) | 10:42 |
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| VDVsx | the_mgt, remember to disable logging after using, that can take several MB of disk space after a while | 10:43 |
| the_mgt | yep | 10:44 |
| the_mgt | thanks for your support so far | 10:44 |
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| VDVsx | the_mgt, np :) | 10:44 |
| javispedro | faenil: Stskeeps: the results of that sketching app I was looking for : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oD_lqNHes8 :) | 10:45 |
| faenil | looks quite precise! | 10:45 |
| SK_work | javispedro: awesome :O | 10:45 |
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| SK_work | javispedro: what's the contribution of BLE in this demo ? | 10:46 |
| javispedro | SK_work: the stylus speaks BLE | 10:46 |
| faenil | that it doesn't run your battery dry? :D | 10:46 |
| SK_work | javispedro: so it do not interact with the screen ? | 10:46 |
| javispedro | and has pressure sensor and accelerometer | 10:46 |
| SK_work | javispedro: but it's also a capacitive stylus ? | 10:46 |
| SK_work | no ? | 10:46 |
| javispedro | SK_work: yeah it does, basically via pressure sensor and screen is how I know which "fingers" are styluses | 10:47 |
| SK_work | ok | 10:47 |
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| SK_work | great demo :) | 10:47 |
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| SK_work | javispedro: don't forget to tweet it :) | 10:47 |
| javispedro | (I did) =) | 10:47 |
| javispedro | so another usecase for the ble cookbook :) | 10:48 |
| SK_work | :) | 10:48 |
| javispedro | technically I could even fake a eraser end | 10:48 |
| suosaaski | is that technique similar to that evernote pen for ipad? | 10:48 |
| javispedro | checking accelerometer for a "upside down" | 10:48 |
| javispedro | *upside down stylus | 10:48 |
| javispedro | suosaaski: the evernote pen is just a rebrand of this :) | 10:49 |
| SK_work | javispedro: please do this :) | 10:49 |
| suosaaski | javispedro: yes, well http://www.adonit.net/jot/script/ | 10:49 |
| javispedro | yeah, that's the one | 10:49 |
| suosaaski | Would be nice to have that for windows 8, too (for the devices that don't have stylus support) | 10:50 |
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| javispedro | it is certainly possible | 10:50 |
| SK_work | javispedro: btw, why is there a huge time between your writing and the onscreen trace ? | 10:51 |
| SK_work | processing ? rendering ? | 10:51 |
| SK_work | transfer time ? | 10:51 |
| SK_work | or just shitty screen ? | 10:51 |
| javispedro | SK_work: same thing with finger | 10:51 |
| javispedro | need to ask faenil about screen latency =) | 10:51 |
| SK_work | ah | 10:51 |
| faenil | me? why me? :D | 10:51 |
| SK_work | faenil: our latency expert ? :D | 10:52 |
| SK_work | "bah, it lags, that's bad" :D | 10:52 |
| faenil | I wish I were one :p | 10:52 |
| javispedro | "it's not iphone-smooth" =) | 10:52 |
| SK_work | :) | 10:52 |
| faenil | yep, I can tell you it's not smooth | 10:52 |
| faenil | but there's a lot much more going on behind the scenes | 10:52 |
| SK_work | javispedro: it's not WP smooth | 10:53 |
| faenil | causing that delay | 10:53 |
| SK_work | WP is really pretty pretty smooth | 10:53 |
| javispedro | basically I'm using QML canvas and on mouseover event call a "markdirty" | 10:53 |
| faenil | and it's the same delay which you have with finger action on Sailfish | 10:53 |
| faenil | so I think this is not your app having too much overhead | 10:53 |
| javispedro | markdirty seems to delay and aggregate multiple events into one | 10:53 |
| javispedro | creating this perceptible delay | 10:54 |
| SK_work | faenil: sure ? | 10:54 |
| SK_work | i feel that there is a much bigger delay | 10:54 |
| faenil | much bigger? I don't know, from the video it looks comparable to delay with the UI | 10:54 |
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| faenil | maybe a bit higher, but looks okay for a drawing app (I mean, comparing it to what's already out there) | 10:56 |
| faenil | that said, I think there's enough delay in the UI :p | 10:57 |
| javispedro | I'll try SDL | 10:57 |
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| ighea | noo, don't do drugs | 10:58 |
| javispedro | or maybe there's sth in the canvas one can change. "renderStrategy" sounds interesting. | 10:58 |
| faenil | :) | 10:58 |
| javispedro | ighea: wrong channel! sailfish/maemo are all just drugs | 10:59 |
| sletta | Canvas shouldn’t impose a larger overall delay, but using Image might cause the rendering time to be higher because the image needs to be uploaded as a texture again and again | 11:00 |
| javispedro | sletta: from traces what I'm looking is that multiple mousemove events arrive ( on each of them I call markdirty with the affected region) before my onPaint handler is called | 11:01 |
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| sletta | mouse events as in MouseArea through finger touch, right? | 11:02 |
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| javispedro | yep | 11:03 |
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| sletta | And renderStrategy = Immediate, renderTarget = Image? | 11:04 |
| javispedro | I've not done much with low-latency input, etc. so I have no idea if the delay may happen before mosue events are called (maybe I should use touch events) | 11:05 |
| javispedro | sletta: defaults, lemme check. | 11:05 |
| sletta | mouse events are synthesized from touch events for the MouseArea | 11:05 |
| sletta | Touch events should be compressed to roughly one event per frame | 11:06 |
| sletta | I say roughly, because it isn’t perfect :) | 11:06 |
| javispedro | so there's no additionally compression for mouse events? | 11:06 |
| javispedro | they seem to have been filtered | 11:06 |
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| sletta | it is implicit because they come from touch events | 11:06 |
| javispedro | aha. | 11:06 |
| javispedro | defaults for canvas are image and immediate, indeed. | 11:07 |
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| javispedro | I also think Canvas is really uploading the full texture on every frame even if I call markDirty with a pixel-sized region | 11:15 |
| sletta | it is | 11:15 |
| sletta | that is what I meant with “using Image might cause the rendering to be higher …” | 11:16 |
| sletta | It could be an option to use QQuickPaintedItem which renders to an FBO | 11:18 |
| sletta | I won’t recommend Canvas.FBO because there are a few issues with how the Canvas GL codepath works with the render thread. | 11:19 |
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| sletta | Fixed in Qt 5.2, but still present in our current images | 11:19 |
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| the_mgt | btw, I am now reboot/crash free since 24h | 11:48 |
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| Quu | 22d uptime after applying paper | 11:55 |
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| javispedro | sletta: "few issues" of the "it crashes" variety, I see | 11:58 |
| javispedro | [W] GLAcquireContext::GLAcquireContext:80 - Can't make current GL context | 11:58 |
| javispedro | ;P | 11:58 |
| sletta | javispedro: yeah, it will be better once we move to Qt 5.2. Then all those should work (though we still upload the full image on every update) | 11:59 |
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| javispedro | maybe I should play with tiles | 12:04 |
| javispedro | well, will try a few things | 12:04 |
| javispedro | though I'm more interested in the bluetooth side of things, so if someone wants to make a doodle app, he's welcome :) | 12:04 |
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| the_mgt | Quu: when you applied the paper, did you remove the battery to do some measurement for papercuts? | 12:06 |
| javispedro | bbl | 12:07 |
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| the_mgt | I am wondering wether some of the "paper solved it for me" people actually removed the battery in the process for more than 5 minutes or so | 12:07 |
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| the_mgt | so the paper is just some snakeoil, leaving the battery outside while doing the origami part was the real cure | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | the_mgt: personally I did the battery removal for 10 minutes trick many many times | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | it helped for two days or so | 12:08 |
| flux | has there been a pattern that removing it for 10 minutes is better than removing for 10 seconds? | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | currently I'm using the paper and it hasn't crashed for a few days so we'll see. but keeping the battery out for 10 minutes is not a fix | 12:08 |
| flux | maybe someone should write an app that asks after rebooting "what remedies did you try to resolve the issue" and collect answers :-) | 12:09 |
| the_mgt | flux: I had crashes where the phone wouldnt turn on by itself again. removing the battery and putting it back in instantly helped in that case | 12:09 |
| the_mgt | but the crashes would return | 12:09 |
| flux | I haven't seen that, only random reboots | 12:09 |
| flux | it's curious how people have similra, but different, problems | 12:09 |
| the_mgt | then I removed battery for 15 minutes or longer and since than I am 24h crash/reboot free | 12:10 |
| Quu | the_mgt: no, i just stuffed as much as possible :p | 12:10 |
| the_mgt | Quu: hehe | 12:10 |
| Quu | well yeah, i removed the battery but didnt measure anything | 12:11 |
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| rangoy | the_mgt: when i "installed" paper, i did it quicly - no long stop without paper. this solved it for me. i've earlier tried just removing the battery 10 minutes. that helped for a while. for me it seem like physical factors where most important (temperature, shaking, putting it in my pocket etc) | 12:25 |
| rangoy | (a while was maybe a day or a week. now it's been months without the issue) | 12:26 |
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| coderus | why Documents can't open txt and rtf files? | 15:31 |
| coderus | and also if opening documents with xdg it sometimes crasing, sometimes freezing, and if successfully loaded it not functional | 15:32 |
| faenil | yeah, it's not exactly a good experience | 15:33 |
| ottulonen | I've noticed it doesn't always show files until I peek to running apps | 15:34 |
| ottulonen | that magically causes it to finish loading | 15:34 |
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| coderus | beaty and beast calligra port, thats it | 15:36 |
| coderus | need to port open/lbre office | 15:37 |
| SK_work | coderus: need to port java | 15:38 |
| SK_work | :/ | 15:38 |
| gexc | isn't the document caligra-based? | 15:39 |
| SK_work | gexc: it is | 15:39 |
| gexc | harmattan's document seems fine | 15:40 |
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| Anz_ | Regarding custom keyboard layouts: i have got a maliit xml file for a regional language. can it be used/converted as such? or do i have to copypaste ~100 characters :| | 16:08 |
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| Oni^ | send it with scp | 16:10 |
| Oni^ | http://linux.die.net/man/1/scp | 16:10 |
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| tango_ | funny, can't send to channel from the mobile client | 16:35 |
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| tango_ | anyway, as I was saying, the phone locked up for the second time n a few days. red flashing led, had to pull the battery | 16:38 |
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| tango_jolla_ | oh, wrong channel, now I understand | 16:40 |
| tango_jolla_ | lol | 16:40 |
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| tango_jolla_ | anyway, ideas on what I could do to get info about the lock up? | 16:43 |
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| Yaniel | the led flashing quickly? | 16:44 |
| Yaniel | means lipstick is panicking (crashed) | 16:45 |
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| tango_jolla_ | Yaniel: I see. and the power button stops working too in such a case? | 16:48 |
| tango_jolla_ | any way I can provide info to the devs? | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | good eveningg | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | -g | 17:26 |
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| SK_work | hey sts | 17:28 |
| SK_work | hey Stskeeps | 17:28 |
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| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | moo SK_work, Venemo, how are things? | 17:30 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: things are fine | 17:31 |
| SK_work | MSVC still behaves strangely | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | MSVC was a fabolous experience when i tried it.. :P | 17:32 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: I had a successful physics test, and a failed one in electronics, so good and bad both | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | so it goes; just back on the horse again and pass next time around | 17:33 |
| Venemo | yeah | 17:33 |
| Venemo | I'm not crying or anything | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it's important to learn from failures.. they're just as important as wins | 17:33 |
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| Venemo | I'll go in today and take a look at what I did wrong, because it felt like I was going to pass | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:34 |
| Venemo | s/today/tomorrow | 17:34 |
| Venemo | :D | 17:34 |
| Venemo | maybe they did a mistake when they were correcting it, or something | 17:35 |
| Venemo | anyway, I have good chances on passing everything else, so I'm still happy with my life | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | i failed optimization class 3 times ish | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | and oh boy on statistics.. | 17:36 |
| Venemo | I almost cracked a bad joke about optimization :P | 17:36 |
| Venemo | anyway, I got a good grade in probability math, so that's at least done | 17:37 |
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| faenil | come on update6666666666! xD | 17:46 |
| faenil | get released already! | 17:46 |
| Yaniel | I for one welcome our new updat- nvm | 17:46 |
| Quu | update 666 | 17:47 |
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| Venemo | faenil :) | 17:57 |
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| the_mgt | rangoy: had a reboot/hang again when I went home earlier today | 18:04 |
| the_mgt | it was hot in the car and I was driving to low signal country | 18:04 |
| flanag | the_mgt: have you applied the paper fix? | 18:05 |
| Venemo | the_mgt: take out your battery, wait for 10 minutes, and reinsert it | 18:05 |
| the_mgt | yep | 18:05 |
| Venemo | flanag: wat is the paper fix? | 18:05 |
| the_mgt | Venemo: took it out yesterday, helped for about 24h | 18:05 |
| Quu | Venemo: its basically "how to fix any nokia made phone" | 18:05 |
| the_mgt | but yes, I can confirm the in-pocket reboots, too | 18:05 |
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| flanag | Venemo: | 18:06 |
| flanag | "Take a piece of paper, fold it so that it becomes 0.5-1 millimeters thick. Then insert this folded paper between the bottom part of the battery and the phone body. The idea is to press the battery tightly upwards against the battery contacts of the phone body (see the attached picture). | 18:06 |
| flanag | We have measured that if the contact of the battery to the phone body is loose (although it does not seem to be loose), then the impedance over this connection is higher and can cause a voltage drop in some current peak situations, making the phone eventually turn off as the voltage drops momentarily under the allowed minimum level. Then use your phone normally (with mobile data) in those same conditions where your phone usually | 18:06 |
| flanag | reboots. Observe if the reboots continue or not. Thanks a lot!" | 18:06 |
| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10516/?sort=votes&page=2#sort-top | 18:06 |
| Venemo | wow | 18:07 |
| javispedro | it also fixes your kernel panics! | 18:07 |
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| Venemo | well | 18:09 |
| Venemo | coincidences happen | 18:09 |
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| javispedro | so does this update666 enable LTE coverage while in Hell? planning a visit there soon | 18:13 |
| javispedro | ;P | 18:13 |
| faenil | guess what, you're there already :p | 18:13 |
| javispedro | actually no | 18:13 |
| javispedro | I am quite sure hell will get LTE coverage before this country does | 18:13 |
| javispedro | :) | 18:13 |
| faenil | :D | 18:14 |
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| ShadowJK | javispedro; I actually went into settings and refreshed, then came back and saw the 666 postfix. Asshole. :-( | 18:18 |
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| faenil | lol | 18:18 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: what, so you have an alert on javispedro && update? :) | 18:18 |
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| * javispedro makes mental note to speak more often about updates in the near future =) | 18:19 | |
| ShadowJK | Switched to this window, eye screenscan immediately saw update, switch to settings app | 18:19 |
| tbr | :D | 18:19 |
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| Venemo | lpotter: ping | 18:51 |
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| lpotter | pong | 18:59 |
| Nicd- | there would be a lot less ping pong if people would just say what they have to say and let the other one respond when they have time :P | 19:00 |
| Yaniel | where would the fun be in that | 19:01 |
| lpotter | maybe he just wants to play ping-pong :) | 19:01 |
| VDVsx | Venemo, ^ | 19:01 |
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| Venemo | lpotter: can I pm you? | 19:04 |
| Quu | or maybe they want to sing günther song | 19:04 |
| Venemo | VDVsx: thanks | 19:04 |
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| lpotter | feel free | 19:06 |
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