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| Nicd- | wtf. so I sent a message to care about my SIM card problem. got a response that it won't be fixed under warranty | 06:16 |
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| Nicd- | this is exactly the stuff that should be fixed under warranty | 06:17 |
| Nicd- | I sure as shit am not going to pay for it | 06:18 |
| walokra | they didn't tell you why? | 06:21 |
| Nicd- | no | 06:21 |
| Nicd- | "You can send your device for repair, in which case you'll get a price estimate for the repairs. The repair of your device is not covered under the warranty." | 06:22 |
| walokra | I would understand that if SIM problems were something you could break yourself | 06:24 |
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| Scelt | Nicd-: optima bullshit care, I assume | 06:32 |
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| mfulz | does someone know how to let the gallery app see videos on the sd card? | 08:33 |
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| coderus | mfulz: it should be available in gallery automatically afaik | 08:55 |
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| mcfrisk | uh, my jolla just shutdown without any indication, and failed to start after a few power button presses, first few boots went upto the jolla startup logo and then device just shutdown. Is the HW perhaps giving in? | 09:00 |
| special | battery low? | 09:00 |
| mcfrisk | 95% | 09:01 |
| the_mgt | mcfrisk: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10516/ | 09:03 |
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| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: turn off device, pull battery 10 minutes | 09:04 |
| Nicd- | I haven't had shutdowns for a few days after doing the paper trick | 09:04 |
| coderus | I havent any shutdowns since i have Jolla :) | 09:05 |
| mcfrisk | this was my first $random shutdown, will try the paper trick too | 09:06 |
| the_mgt | i am currently pulling the battery for 10 mins | 09:08 |
| mcfrisk | I was trying to play music before the shutdown, with headphones this results in the damned high power clicks and pops so there for sure was a power usage peak too | 09:08 |
| the_mgt | I have had many random shutdowns | 09:09 |
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| the_mgt | often the battery level is indicating there is only 2% or 4% left | 09:09 |
| the_mgt | so, it might have to do with weak signals and the phone powering up the "modem" to get better signal | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | I did the paper trick with official jolla paper too :) | 09:10 |
| * rigo_ had that recently even with an N9 | 09:11 | |
| the_mgt | I have had these black screens and also some calls I could not answer, either due to black screen or touch screen not responding | 09:11 |
| the_mgt | started around the last update, although that is just kitchen psychology rationalising. might be totally unrelated and just a correlation | 09:12 |
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| ottulo | uhh, some issues with the Jolla... phone rebooted suddenly, only a few apps running (same as always, no problems before) | 10:10 |
| ottulo | after reboot battery was down to 4% from something like 55% before | 10:10 |
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| chem|st | bugs with roadmap tag on tjc are confusing... | 10:28 |
| chem|st | Aard: did I read it right that we get limited caldav with u6? | 10:28 |
| Quu | ottulo: battery out for few minutes should get it back to normal level | 10:28 |
| Aard | chem|st: yes | 10:29 |
| chem|st | so download only for now? | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | caldav! <3 | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | thankyou jolla engineers! | 10:29 |
| chem|st | or limited as in you add some specific companies? | 10:30 |
| Aard | chem|st: no, it's just not tested as much as we'd like to have it for fully supported and advertised feature. but should work with arbitrary caldav providers | 10:30 |
| chem|st | hail jolla! | 10:30 |
| Aard | changes required if it blows up should be in the open source buteo plugin, so if it blows up for you and you're bored you could even fix it ;) | 10:31 |
| chem|st | ok ;) | 10:32 |
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| Jupp3 | ottulo: I have had similar issue few times | 11:26 |
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| Yaniel | Aard: so are there instructions for interested people for adding arbitrary caldav calendars? | 12:01 |
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| ggabriel | Yaniel: #sunc (topic) | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | s/sunc/sync/ | 12:17 |
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| Yaniel | ah | 12:23 |
| Yaniel | forgot what that channel was named | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | not sure how current it is tho | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | there's a question in tjc too (instructions in the answer) | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | maybe the latest buteo plugin comes with the latest sailfish and everything, and all that we're missing is the ui | 12:24 |
| stephg | ooh ggabriel you around tomorrow eve? | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | stephg: i'm climbing i'm afraid | 12:25 |
| stephg | boo okies | 12:25 |
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| the_mgt | taking the battery out for half an hour seems so far to have fixed the random reboot issue | 13:02 |
| the_mgt | battery calibration trouble? or remaining current in the circuits, that "drains" out when you unplug the battery long enough | 13:03 |
| oh8gnz | have you same guys same problem with "Latest" or "New" unanswered phone calls? Seems that without boot I can't get them out from my screen | 13:04 |
| the_mgt | the whole notification thing is a bit out of sync here | 13:04 |
| the_mgt | sometimes I can hear email/sms notification, but LED might not blink. Also no notification in the noti. center | 13:05 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | i have missed calls just reappearing after boot as new calls | 13:11 |
| kimmoli_sailing | newly missed calls, and i feel stupid when i call back to someone | 13:11 |
| oh8gnz | that seems to be then a common problem | 13:12 |
| kimmoli_sailing | and i think i have had same as the_mgt but very rarely | 13:12 |
| kimmoli_sailing | just sound of notification, but then nothing | 13:13 |
| the_mgt | most often it is with emails | 13:15 |
| SK_work | kimmoli_sailing: isn't this a problem of rights for the missed call db ? | 13:16 |
| the_mgt | today, I received a sms which I read and a few minutes after that, the LED was flashing blue. but no new sms had arrived | 13:16 |
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| kimmoli | SK_work: dont know root cause... https://together.jolla.com/question/15195/bug-cleared-missed-call-notification-reappearing/ | 13:21 |
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| mornfall | hmm, the freedreno drivers look pretty good at least on paper | 16:28 |
| mornfall | certainly a lot better than a year ago or so when Jolla was presumably working on HW adaptation | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | wayland working yet? | 16:29 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: it seems so, yes (well, it can run Weston) | 16:31 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: it's probably more of a lipstick question than a wayland question | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:31 |
| mornfall | it can do (desktop) GL 2.1 now | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:31 |
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| faenil | http://bloggingthemonkey.blogspot.it/2013/07/freedreno-update-drmkms-and-ifc6410.html | 16:32 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: another thing that needs 3.12 kernel though :P | 16:32 |
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| SK_work | faenil: very interesting, thx faenil | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: yeaaah | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | not going to happen | 16:38 |
| faenil | np, just googled a bit :) | 16:38 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: why oh why? | 16:38 |
| * faenil is picturing Stskeeps saying "yeaaah" right now | 16:39 | |
| Yaniel | 3.12? pfft | 16:39 |
| Yaniel | 3.14 | 16:39 |
| javispedro | at least Google has a 3.10 fork around | 16:39 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: so is there a list of kernel-space binary blobs Jolla depends on? | 16:40 |
| javispedro | <office space boss voice>Yeah.... 3.10 .... that would be greaat. | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, wlan (replacable with open driver), and myastroker thingie that dalvik installs | 16:40 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: is the open wlan driver the one from qualcomm that appears on codeaurora? | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | think so, but check djselbeck's stuff | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's 'prima' | 16:41 |
| mornfall | yeah, prima is on there... I mean this one https://www.codeaurora.org/projects/all-active-projects/msm-wlan | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 16:43 |
| mornfall | the git log makes it look like a corporate project, at least | 16:43 |
| suosaaski | Is sailfish running on galaxy s3 yet? I remember it was demoed.... | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | i9305 yes | 16:44 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: myastroker doesn't seem to be something that shows up on google... is that baked into the kernel, coz I don't have any modules loaded besides wlan and cfg80211... | 16:45 |
| faenil | it's mysa* | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: included in alien dalvik | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | not installed by default | 16:46 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: I have alien (started, even) | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:46 |
| javispedro | yeah, same thing | 16:46 |
| javispedro | which is a good thing, because mysatroker basically allowed to copy process memory irregardless of uids | 16:47 |
| suosaaski | Stskeeps: it works completely? GPS, phone calls and so on. | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: not yet | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | nexus 4 is more complete | 16:48 |
| mornfall | well, that's at least some good news, coz between freedreno and the prima wlan driver, it's at least theoretically possible to get a non-geriatric kernel :) | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:49 |
| javispedro | in case you are interested what happened to mysatroker, it seems that dalvik is now banging /dev/binder directly | 16:49 |
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| mornfall | mysatroker is short for MYriad Share Anything TROugh KERnel | 16:50 |
| mornfall | sounds omnious | 16:50 |
| javispedro | mornfall: lol | 16:50 |
| javispedro | mornfall: well, it did exactly that =) | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | wonder what was wrong with fd passing | 16:50 |
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| javispedro | have to wonder if alien is namespacing accesses to binder.. | 16:54 |
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| javispedro | is there any doodling or drawing or drawn notes app? | 17:20 |
| javispedro | preferably open source? | 17:20 |
| faenil | already tried recompiling xournal? :D | 17:20 |
| javispedro | oh, too complex | 17:21 |
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| javispedro | I'm interested in one for a quick test of a bluetooth finepoint styles | 17:21 |
| javispedro | so I have to change the source a bit | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | finepoint styles? | 17:21 |
| javispedro | *stylus | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:21 |
| javispedro | =) | 17:21 |
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| javispedro | oh, canvas API | 17:22 |
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| faenil | :D | 17:25 |
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| dariornelas | hi there! | 17:46 |
| stephg | ohai! | 17:46 |
| dariornelas | I need some help to diagnose my phone problem | 17:47 |
| stephg | what's the problem dariornelas | 17:47 |
| dariornelas | it was rebooting everytime I tried to record a vídeo and only stopped when I removed and reinserted the battery | 17:49 |
| stephg | did it reboot at all when you weren't trying to video (during the same period_)? | 17:49 |
| stephg | probably not related did it get hot? | 17:50 |
| dariornelas | I just bought the phone (2 days)... | 17:50 |
| stephg | finally, by 'reboot'ed you mean it went black and you saw the Jolla logo again or did the interface just restart (i.e. black, and then no logo) | 17:51 |
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| stephg | but then ux | 17:51 |
| dariornelas | made the updates, and today it rebooted 3/4 times without doing nothing abnormal | 17:51 |
| stephg | hm | 17:51 |
| stephg | so it's running 1.0.5.19 now yeah? | 17:51 |
| dariornelas | exactly | 17:51 |
| dariornelas | tried the 10min without the battery solution and it was looking good, but then when I tried to record a vídeo the phone rebooted | 17:52 |
| stephg | that's not good :( | 17:52 |
| dariornelas | by reboot I mean, I press "REC" button and the screen goes black and the jolla logo appears | 17:52 |
| stephg | did you see a red LED? (does sound like reboot tho) | 17:53 |
| dariornelas | yes | 17:53 |
| stephg | the videos | 17:54 |
| stephg | (final question!) | 17:54 |
| stephg | anything odd about them, very shaky or something? | 17:55 |
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| stephg | first time I've heard of the launching the camera causing a reboot | 17:56 |
| Anz_ | whenever someone mentiones frequent reboots, this comes to my mind (without much diagnostics). try other things before attempting this: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10516/?answer=36965#post-id-36965 | 17:57 |
| stephg | you may want to check on together.jolla.com to see if anyone else has had the same | 17:57 |
| stephg | but yeah after that emailing care at jolla.com is where you're going to be at :( | 17:57 |
| Sail0r | I am currently trying the paper trick | 17:58 |
| Sail0r | and for now it helps | 17:58 |
| Sail0r | even in the areas where it shutdown everytime it works for now | 17:58 |
| mikma | the paper-trick has actually worked on me too | 17:58 |
| Sail0r | but I wonder why it happens after a certain time or after upgrade to 1.0.5.19 | 17:58 |
| mikma | not a single random shutdowns after i cut a piece from businesscard and put it in between the battery and the phone | 17:58 |
| Sail0r | did you have "clean" shutdowns or screen just went black? | 17:59 |
| dariornelas | just recorded a video with the phone on a table and the video is normal stephg | 17:59 |
| mikma | sail0r: screen turned black and i had to push powerbutton for couple of secs to turn the phone on | 17:59 |
| Sail0r | mikma: ok same for me | 17:59 |
| dariornelas | Sail0r I had both | 18:00 |
| dariornelas | I already checked together.jolla.com and didn't find anyone with a problem in the camera | 18:00 |
| dariornelas | so I thought this was a good shoot | 18:01 |
| dariornelas | I think I'll try the paper trick | 18:01 |
| Sail0r | I had it everytime I had a bad network coverag | 18:01 |
| Sail0r | e | 18:01 |
| Sail0r | and did smth which does much traffic | 18:01 |
| Sail0r | like map application surfing or smt | 18:02 |
| Sail0r | It did never happen before 1.0.5.19 and it started one week ago but the update was there long before | 18:02 |
| Anz_ | [not sure; stating unverified remarks] afaik, it happens in situations requiring high power. increased load or so. | 18:04 |
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| javispedro | wouldn't shut it down, not reboot. | 18:05 |
| Sail0r | More and more people seem to have this issue | 18:09 |
| Sail0r | let's hope it's not hardware related | 18:09 |
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| Sail0r | or can be fixed forever with the paper-trick | 18:10 |
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| Jupp3 | stephg: Well, now I'll tell you second time that camera occassionally reboots the device :P | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | Always remember that many things may result in random reboots | 18:23 |
| javispedro | e.g. I recently had a kernel panic | 18:23 |
| Jupp3 | javispedro: Sure, and I think it has happened with other programs too, but it feels that it happens most often with camera | 18:24 |
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| javispedro | by the way, on systemboot.log, after a panic: "Startup: pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_HW_reboot" | 18:24 |
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| Anz_ | stephg: just wondering what is that '' in one of your previous messages :) a question mark? | 18:25 |
| stephg | Anz_: which one? (sorry, laptop ran out, came home, only just back) | 18:26 |
| Anz_ | no worries. nothing important. just saw '' | 18:26 |
| stephg | Anz_: not that I remember, was on laggy-as-hell 3g (not my Jolla's fault, but Vodafone UK) and occasionally characters creep in that I typed by mistake but deleted but didn't make it to the irc client :/ | 18:28 |
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| Sail0r | wtf is going on the mailinglist | 19:01 |
| flanag | ? | 19:02 |
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| flanag | Sail0r: you mean this "Discrimination and abuse.."? | 19:04 |
| Sail0r | yep | 19:04 |
| rigo_ | trolls takeover as usual | 19:07 |
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| Nightmare__ | kindergarden | 19:09 |
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| Sail0r | well it does not read like it's only trolling ;) | 19:13 |
| Yaniel | quiiiiite elaborate for a troll | 19:13 |
| phlixi | I might want to give my jolla a chance as my daily phone, in order to do so, i need more space ;-) is this the way to go with my 64gb uSD card? https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 19:13 |
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| Yaniel | phlixi: I only formatted mine as btrfs | 19:14 |
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| Yaniel | but I don't need it to work with dalvik | 19:14 |
| phlixi | ...i do not plan to remove the card or any fancy, just want to store files bigger than 4gb... | 19:14 |
| Yaniel | yup | 19:14 |
| phlixi | i yould prefer to not mess with the system too much (installing exfat support etc) | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | should be pretty much like what that thread explains | 19:15 |
| phlixi | besides some phones i only have wundows machines, is it doable via ssh directly on the phone? | 19:16 |
| phlixi | ok | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | just make sure you format the right thing ;) | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | yes it is | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | in fact, for btrfs you have to do it on the phhone | 19:16 |
| phlixi | (so far i do not have much android stuff installed, actually i do not like it much; but with threema i already have one "dependency") | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | you might need to enable the mer-tools repo and install btrfs tools | 19:17 |
| Yaniel | I'm not sure if they are there by default or not | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | and you need to be root to see if they are in your path anyway | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | (or devel-su) | 19:18 |
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| stephg | phlixi: will you evern take the card out of the phone and mount it elsewhere? | 19:19 |
| phlixi | stephg: not planned at all | 19:19 |
| phlixi | well, maybe in two years to burn it ;-) | 19:19 |
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| stephg | your computers are Win or Lin or Mac? | 19:19 |
| phlixi | all win besides a n900 (and n9 / nexus both without sd slots) | 19:20 |
| stephg | well Yaniel is spot-on really | 19:20 |
| stephg | btrfs (formatted on-device as there are compatability issues between versions) or ext4 | 19:21 |
| stephg | if you need 'proper' compatability then fat32 but you've already said that's a no-go with filesize limits | 19:21 |
| phlixi | fat32 no big files | 19:21 |
| phlixi | ;) | 19:21 |
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| stephg | well if it's ext3/4 yuour n900 will be able to read it | 19:22 |
| stephg | (maybe btrfs if you run your own kernel ;) ) | 19:22 |
| phlixi | actually this is the only real "must have requirement" i currently can think of, bigger files than 4gb have to be supported (which i guess includes bigger partitiions than 32gb possible, that would be otherwise second must have) | 19:22 |
| phlixi | no need to have it in the n900, already have one there. | 19:23 |
| phlixi | if there is something to copy, theres is wlan | 19:23 |
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| phlixi | in https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ on "9." which is: "chown nemo:nemo jolla/ - add -R if needed" what is -R for? | 19:29 |
| Scelt | phlixi: recursive | 19:30 |
| phlixi | ok, nothing in there for now ;) | 19:30 |
| phlixi | thougt of readonly or the like which doesnt made sense | 19:30 |
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| tango_ | phlixi: there is an ext2/3/4 fsd for windows btw | 19:40 |
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| phlixi | thanks, but, ehm, i guess i dont care :D | 19:40 |
| phlixi | sorry, do not meant to be disrespectful | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | phlixi: recursive might also mean make sure the directory has permissions set straight | 19:42 |
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| phlixi | straight? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | as in, nemo:nemo | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | ie being sure jolla/ is nemo:nemo | 19:42 |
| stephg | straight: |, not ¬ | 19:42 |
| stephg | ;) | 19:43 |
| phlixi | I mean, i just created that folder, there is nothing in it where i would want to set rights as well | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | except the folder itsel | 19:43 |
| phlixi | yeah, but for that i would not understand why i would have to use recursive | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | well, you could be okay without -R | 19:43 |
| phlixi | i used it anyway, because it could not hurt^^ | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | since it's empty | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | but chown is needed | 19:44 |
| phlixi | at the moment i am looking for how to kill dalvik, I thought thats easy, but google foo is obviously bad at the moment :/ | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | systemctl stop aliendalvik.service | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | and start again afterwards | 19:44 |
| phlixi | yes, totaly understand that, was just curios about the "-R" | 19:44 |
| phlixi | thanks! | 19:44 |
| stephg | fwiw launching an android app does that automatically (the restart I mean) | 19:45 |
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| phlixi | seems to work, but whats the point in mounting it as /media/sdcard/5fc9e386-4a39-4fb1-a215-9f88237e0b52 | 20:17 |
| phlixi | i thought the outcome would be something like /media/sdcard/jolla | 20:19 |
| phlixi | or even better, i dont know, maybe ~/sdcard (well i knew the tutorial wouldnt do that) | 20:20 |
| phlixi | seems weird to me to have /media/sdcard/5fc9e386-4a39-4fb1-a215-9f88237e0b52 to put my files there... | 20:20 |
| stephg | phlixi: weird why? | 20:21 |
| phlixi | its an ugly path | 20:22 |
| stephg | the UUID-for-the-mount-point bit was introduced so that tracker could keep track of multiple sdcards | 20:22 |
| stephg | iirc | 20:22 |
| phlixi | well, i do not plan to have multiple cards | 20:22 |
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| phlixi | i guess i want to replace mount -o subvol=android,compress,$MOUNT_OPTS ${DEVNAME} /data/sdcard/ with something like that: mount -o subvol=android,compress,$MOUNT_OPTS jolla_part_of_sdcard /data/sdcard/ | 20:24 |
| phlixi | right? | 20:24 |
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| phlixi | ...in order to get /media/sdcard/jolla_part_of_sdcard | 20:25 |
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| phlixi | no :/ there is still /media/sdcard/5fc9e386-4a39-4fb1-a215-9f88237e0b52 | 20:30 |
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| Scelt | check what is in $MOUNT_OPTS | 20:32 |
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| phlixi | looks like i removed mounting the android thingy | 20:32 |
| phlixi | i revert that change an change the liine above | 20:33 |
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| phlixi | Scelt: MOUNT_OPTS="dirsync,noatime,users" | 20:57 |
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| phlixi | after replacing a lot of "${UUID}"s it now seems to work as expected :-) | 21:24 |
| phlixi | Thanks a lot! :-) | 21:24 |
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| javispedro | ok, the "2DContext" keeps state between diferent invocations of onPaint | 21:50 |
| javispedro | that would have nice to know... a few hours before =) | 21:50 |
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| louisdk | Anyone that have experience with wireless charging and Jolla? | 22:37 |
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| phlixi | louisdk: maybe i can tell you more in 2-3 days when ill receive my charger | 22:59 |
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| Anz_ | phlixi: what have you done on Jolla side to enable wireless charging? | 23:37 |
| phlixi | ordered that one: http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/~/product/category=9141090&id=35480484 | 23:37 |
| phlixi | but i guess with a little bit of glue you could use every qi thingy off of amazon/ebay etc | 23:38 |
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