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| Stskeeps | interesting reading for those who want oss android runtime: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1425770&postcount=63 | 05:23 |
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| coderus | liar (krnlying) already tried that for harmattan with similar success | 05:45 |
| Stskeeps | what's the problem people find? | 05:45 |
| coderus | read this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1375149&postcount=159 | 05:48 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | i really wonder how many would be interested in contributing to such a thing | 05:57 |
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| bjorn | Hmm, javispedro's hack isn't working for me... | 07:54 |
| bjorn | /home/mersdk/share/projects/tales-client/src/src.pro:2: Cannot find feature sailfishsilicabackground | 07:54 |
| bjorn | Hmm, SailfishOS SDK apparently doesn't like it when you switch active project while building. The deploy step tried to deploy the project that was already building with the packaging file of the newly active project. | 08:07 |
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| bjorn | Arg, my CPU does not have support for hardware virtualization, so I can't increase the number of cores on the Mer SDK VM. :( | 08:49 |
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| walokra | aargh, I sometimes find myself now flicking even with touchpad for next/prev navigation | 08:54 |
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| Teme | :D | 11:06 |
| Teme | i find it difficult to use the occasional android app on jolla | 11:06 |
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| Teme | bc of no gestures | 11:07 |
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| coderus | :D | 11:09 |
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| Yaniel | I feel you | 11:22 |
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| Yaniel | steam is an outright horror | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | no swiping, no page indicator | 11:23 |
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| mornfall | Possibly stupid question, but are we going to get automatic "wlan on" when both wlan and 3G is enabled and available? | 11:30 |
| mornfall | Coz the phone switches to 3G when I walk out, but it doesn't switch back when I return home. | 11:31 |
| mornfall | (It seems it no longer crashes or burns when I enable both, so this becomes a relevant question now :-) | 11:31 |
| niuran | in my case when i return to home and have WiFi and 3g enabled it connects to wifi | 11:32 |
| niuran | or crashses... | 11:32 |
| mornfall | oh | 11:33 |
| niuran | or the 3g option disappear | 11:33 |
| mornfall | interesting :) | 11:33 |
| mornfall | so I guess I should stick with twiddling it manually | 11:33 |
| niuran | but in the past it connected automatically to wifi | 11:33 |
| mornfall | (maybe it stopped crashing because it fails to figure out it should connect :-) | 11:33 |
| niuran | maybe | 11:34 |
| mornfall | makes you wonder how truly horrible networkmanager must be, if connman is the better option | 11:35 |
| niuran | i have also a problem with the Android apps notifications,like line, telegram, etc | 11:35 |
| niuran | yes, i switched back to my old phone because the connectivity problems | 11:36 |
| niuran | hopping the updates solve this | 11:36 |
| mornfall | hm, I mostly don't use android apps with notifications so can't comment on that | 11:36 |
| niuran | and use the jolla again as main phone | 11:36 |
| niuran | but connectivity get worse until the last update | 11:37 |
| mornfall | well, I don't have a backup (gave my N900 to my wife), but I can live with switching manually... I didn't see a crash for a long while now | 11:38 |
| Yaniel | sudden shutdowns didn't go away with the btrfs balancing :( | 11:39 |
| Yaniel | and the "enable closing apps with swipe from top" setting is not remembered either | 11:40 |
| niuran | when have Wi-Fi and 3g enabled, at home for example, the 3g disables suddenly, and it can not be enabled | 11:40 |
| mornfall | well, 3.4 is an ancient kernel... so presumably ancient btrfs, too | 11:40 |
| niuran | even the option to enable internet in settings disappear | 11:40 |
| mornfall | niuran: it disables when you go out of coverage, any chance you have blind spots in your house? | 11:41 |
| niuran | no, it disables under coverance | 11:41 |
| mornfall | that's bad | 11:42 |
| niuran | the wifi is ok, the phone is connected | 11:42 |
| niuran | but when you check the connectivity in settings, the data nit only is disabled | 11:42 |
| niuran | it cant be enabled | 11:43 |
| niuran | then you go to settungs, network | 11:43 |
| niuran | settings | 11:43 |
| mornfall | hmm, I think it tends to become available when you cycle wlan on-off | 11:43 |
| mornfall | but yes, it's stupid | 11:43 |
| niuran | and internet option has disappear | 11:43 |
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| niuran | only after reboot the phone ,come back to normal | 11:44 |
| niuran | this appeared after 1.5 update | 11:45 |
| niuran | (with the reboots) | 11:45 |
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| niuran | any idea about the notifications in Android apps? how to get them? | 12:07 |
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| mornfall | I think you need to keep the apps in question running in the background... | 12:08 |
| mornfall | to get notifications, anyway | 12:08 |
| niuran | i open line, telegram and bbm, and have them in the Android emulator in main screen | 12:09 |
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| niuran | when opened, the notification arrives,but when the time goes, then they stops | 12:11 |
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| niuran | maybe something related to a sleep mode? | 12:11 |
| niuran | only the apps seems to reactivate when open again | 12:12 |
| mornfall | no idea really, the android VM is still pretty clunky | 12:12 |
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| mornfall | in android, app notifications "run" even if the app is stopped | 12:12 |
| mornfall | (and "in background" and "stopped" are mostly the same thing in android) | 12:12 |
| mornfall | but it seems to work differently on jolla | 12:13 |
| niuran | it seems, yes | 12:13 |
| mornfall | also, I'm not sure whether it's relevant that an android tile exists | 12:14 |
| mornfall | because for me, switching away almost always closes the tile, and the apps appear to lose state at that moment | 12:14 |
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| mornfall | (i.e. moving android to background crashes the window, and possibly more of the android runtime, can't tell, really, it doesn't *say* anything) | 12:14 |
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| niuran | i always leave at least one app, only switch between two or three of them | 12:16 |
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| niuran | and the Android window always in the main screen | 12:17 |
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| mornfall | anyone know how can I list hardware of the jolla? | 13:48 |
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| Yaniel | what do you mean mornfall? | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | jolla.com has official specs | 13:53 |
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| niuran | http://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/pics-jolla-phone-hardware-opened/ | 13:57 |
| niuran | maybe you are looking for this? | 13:57 |
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| mornfall | Yaniel: https://together.jolla.com/question/43043/updated-system-components-kernel-systemd-connman/ the comment by chemist -- I wanted to know which bits of hardware require proprietary kernel modules | 13:59 |
| mornfall | Yaniel: I have only found wlan.ko, which says "qualcomm atheros" but not much else | 14:00 |
| mornfall | niuran: not really, the wlan chipset is part of the soc | 14:00 |
| mornfall | "qualcomm dual core" is a nifty spec, but if you are trying to find out what is the wlan portion of the soc, doesn't help all that much | 14:01 |
| mornfall | (re jolla.com) | 14:01 |
| mornfall | (but interestingly it says that LTE in Finland will be supported this quarter, so possibly next update) | 14:02 |
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| stephg | mornfall: if you'd not already seen: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html | 14:03 |
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| mornfall | update 7, that's *very* barely Q2 :-) | 14:04 |
| mornfall | ah, but it's update 6 for "supported" countries | 14:05 |
| niuran | and toh at the end of the year...mmm,maybe the Jolla unleash its full potential then, a year after | 14:07 |
| niuran | one year to evolve and polish and then time to be really unlike | 14:07 |
| mornfall | niuran: what do you mean toh? | 14:07 |
| niuran | the other half | 14:08 |
| mornfall | yes, but what about it? | 14:08 |
| niuran | they announced them by the end of this year | 14:08 |
| mornfall | I missed that too. :-) | 14:08 |
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| bjorn | Are QtQuick.Controls supported? My app can't find them. | 14:11 |
| bjorn | [W] QQmlApplicationEnginePrivate::_q_finishLoad:126 - file:///usr/share/harbour-tales/qml/main.qml:2 module "QtQuick.Controls" is not installed | 14:11 |
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| coderus | bjorn: #sailfishos | 14:24 |
| coderus | and Controls is a part of Desktop Qt, not mobile | 14:25 |
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| bjorn | coderus: Ah, alright. | 14:31 |
| bjorn | coderus: It's usable on Android though... | 14:31 |
| coderus | for android you build everything you want to use with application bundle yourself | 14:33 |
| coderus | in sailfish components build into system | 14:34 |
| coderus | but you still free to build missed components yourself | 14:34 |
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| coderus | and again, please post development questions to #sailfishos | 14:34 |
| coderus | #jollamobile for general device discussions | 14:35 |
| niuran | for example Android apps notifications? how to get them? they work when the app starts, and some minutes after,but no later | 14:37 |
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| tomcat_berlin | hi everyone. i have a little problem with sending sms. it doesn't work anymore! i don't know exactly when it stopped working, sometime during the last weeks (i've been abroad for some weeks, and there i didn't try to send any). i can still receive sms, though. any ideas? thanks a lot in advance! | 15:32 |
| mikma | hmm, operator settings still ok? | 15:32 |
| mikma | paid your bills? ;) | 15:32 |
| tomcat_berlin | ^^ | 15:34 |
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| tomcat_berlin | mikma: i think the operator settings are ok. i have mobile internet, phone calls work, receiving sms works, ... so i'd deduce that these are ok | 15:38 |
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| tomcat_berlin | and also "have you tried turning it off and on again?" -> yes ;) | 15:46 |
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| coderus | tomcat_berlin: have you tried sending sms om different phone? | 15:58 |
| tomcat_berlin | yes, tried 3 different people | 15:58 |
| coderus | check journalctl after sending sms | 15:58 |
| tomcat_berlin | good point | 15:58 |
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| tomcat_berlin | here's the output: http://pastebin.com/gCzyUnu0 | 16:04 |
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| mornfall | tomcat_berlin: ofono doesn't love you | 16:44 |
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| mornfall | tomcat_berlin: might be baseband issue, did you try pulling out the battery for 10 minutes? | 16:45 |
| mornfall | I think that's how you clear the baseband state... | 16:45 |
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| pdanek | Why is everyone speaking about end of Nokia? | 17:00 |
| pdanek | Nokia only sold Lumia to M$, right? | 17:00 |
| mornfall | pdanek: the entire handset division, actually | 17:00 |
| mornfall | pdanek: i.e. there won't be any more Nokia phones | 17:01 |
| pdanek | So they can still make smartphones, if they develop new ones, not Lumia -> Jolla smartphones! | 17:01 |
| pdanek | uhhhhhhhh | 17:01 |
| pdanek | what? | 17:01 |
| pdanek | It should have been Lumia-only before. | 17:01 |
| pdanek | Are you kidding me??? | 17:01 |
| mornfall | No idea. :-) | 17:01 |
| pdanek | So it is really end of Nokia? | 17:01 |
| pdanek | I need couple more sweaters. | 17:02 |
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| minimec | pdanek: --> http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2013/09/05/could-we-see-a-finnish-smartphone-from-nokia-in-2016-jolla-sailfish-android/ | 17:02 |
| pdanek | Because Hell will freeze over. | 17:02 |
| pdanek | mmm | 17:02 |
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| pdanek | cool | 17:03 |
| mornfall | pdanek: Nokia retained networks, mapping and research... | 17:03 |
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| mornfall | pdanek: the rest, gone | 17:03 |
| pdanek | so 2015 -> Jolla 2 | 17:03 |
| pdanek | 2016 -> Nokia with Sailfish | 17:03 |
| mornfall | pdanek: you wish :-) | 17:03 |
| pdanek | 2017 -> Nokia is again most used smartphone in the world | 17:03 |
| pdanek | 2018 -> Nokia buys Microsoft | 17:03 |
| mornfall | minimec: that's pure speculation, and a year old | 17:04 |
| minimec | mornfall: I agree with you, but Nokia would have to possibility to launch new phones in 2016, if they wanted to... | 17:05 |
| pdanek | Nokia smartphone on IBM Power8 and Sailfish! | 17:06 |
| mornfall | minimec: so could nintendo, or anyone else :) | 17:06 |
| pdanek | Since Power8 gets licensed and chips being manufactured by other companies. | 17:07 |
| pdanek | So maybe.... if you let your imagination crazy, we can see PowerPC laptops again in the future. | 17:07 |
| mornfall | pdanek: power8 is kinda power-hungry for a smartphone, you know | 17:07 |
| pdanek | sure | 17:07 |
| pdanek | I'm speaking about the whole OpenPower model | 17:07 |
| pdanek | and possible distant future | 17:08 |
| mornfall | (I'm sure nontrivial part of that power goes to almost 100M of L3 cache ;-) | 17:08 |
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| mornfall | also, the only operational 14nm fab is Intel, AFAIK ;-) | 17:10 |
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| pdanek | Maybe aliens will land into Nokia headquarters next year. | 17:11 |
| pdanek | And give them amazing technology. | 17:11 |
| pdanek | And Nokia will be so powerful, that they will become world-wide super-state. | 17:12 |
| pdanek | 1 supercountry in whole world, called Nokia | 17:12 |
| pdanek | official language finnish | 17:12 |
| Acce | is this where you woke up? | 17:12 |
| pdanek | :D | 17:12 |
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| mornfall | Acce: I think it's where he realized the MDMA is wearing off... | 17:14 |
| kimmoli | i hope aliens know tht Nokia HQ is now at Karaportti | 17:14 |
| pdanek | anthem: Nokia theme, most famous TV reality show: torturing Microsoft employees | 17:14 |
| pdanek | that's the future | 17:14 |
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| pdanek | god I loved Nokia.... RIP | 17:16 |
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