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Temepdanek: for sure01:04
Temelately the update that brought album art to block the song list has made it a bit worse01:04
Temebut it's still viable01:05
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YanielI can't use it atm07:09
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YanielTeme: block the song list?07:10
Yanieloh that one you mean07:10
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Morpog_PC__reading nemomobile github commits makes me want updates :D07:43
Stskeepsoh?07:44
Morpog_PC__that LPM stuff especially in MCE :D07:44
Stskeepstee-hee07:44
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rubdosWell, camera and microphone quality are pretty cool for a smartphone... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9n0LCiki3A08:34
Stskeepswith a jolla?08:35
rubdosStskeeps, indeed08:40
Stskeepsnot bad08:41
rubdosknowing that I had to put earprotection on, my Jolla could just listen on :d08:41
rubdosnot bad indeed08:41
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svuorelaso. Occasionally my speakers (for alarms, phone ringing and such) doesn't work. At other times they work. How did I (mis)configure that ?09:16
Stskeepsambience possibly09:17
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svuorelaif I currently is in a 'silent' mode, what do I look for ?09:19
Stskeepsgo edit the ambience perhaps09:19
Stskeepsbrb09:19
svuorelaI can't find where to edit the ambience ?09:21
Stskeepsgallery->ambiences?09:21
Stskeepsyou can customize them somehow, perhaps check http://jolla.com/guide/09:21
svuorelaaha.09:22
svuorelaI haven't been there before.09:22
Stskeepssorry to RTFM you :)09:22
svuorelabut no success after touching a bit in the ambience.09:23
Cal-Dronemeow09:23
svuorelano sound on the videos and such09:23
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Stskeepshmmm09:25
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* svuorela don't like when Stskeeps goes hmmm :)09:29
Stskeepsreboot doesn't help?09:32
RzRhi09:32
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RzRjust for the curious09:32
RzRhttp://rzr.online.fr/url/?http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/?id=com.digia.Qt5Everywhere# http://tinyurl.com/coinurl-com##09:33
RzRerr09:33
RzRwrong url09:33
RzRthis one is for others :09:33
RzRhttp://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/?id=com.digia.Qt5Everywhere09:33
RzRMORE09:33
RzRis what you care for09:33
RzRthe apk installs fine on jolla09:33
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svuorelaStskeeps: normally not, no.09:34
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faenilrZr, yes all Qt demos work on Jolla, except the video example in Qt5Everywhere or Qt5Intro, I don't remember atm it's been a few months since last time I tested it :)09:52
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faenilI think it was in Qt5Intro09:52
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chem|stuh it seems like tizen devel conference is so poorly booked that they need to give away NUC and gears for free^^11:23
* Stskeeps pats his s10-3t11:23
Stskeepsbest conference gift, ever11:23
chem|st4 years and still no tizen car/phone/TV...whatever11:24
chem|stStskeeps: that comes close to a psion?!11:25
Stskeepshmm?11:25
chem|stmuch bigger but from the looks?11:25
Stskeepslenovo s10-3t11:25
chem|styeah11:25
Stskeepsfantastic little laptop11:25
Stskeeps / netbook11:26
AardStskeeps: with an unusable touchpad11:26
Stskeepswell, it depends on configuration11:26
chem|stgifted at a conference? neat!11:27
Stskeepschem|st: meego conference, dublin11:27
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chem|sthow do those nuc things work?11:30
chem|stlike an usb CPU/GPU?11:30
Stskeepsthey're basically small computers11:30
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chem|stno hdd no ram?11:31
Stskeepsyeah11:31
Stskeepshttp://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/overview.html11:31
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rZrStskeeps, will u be there  at tdc ?11:39
Stskeepsno11:39
rZrnone of sailors ?11:39
rZrthere are a couple of n950club members i know11:40
Stskeepswell, i don't know, but i'm not planning to11:40
rZrwould cost you a lot for a nuc :)11:40
rZrStskeeps, count on me to mention mer in my sliides :)11:41
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rZrStskeeps, since jolla somehow contributed to tizen , by qt packaging :)11:42
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rZrworth to be mentioned :)11:42
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chem|stI was wondering why upgrade6 holds LTE for fi hk and et only as the bands are in the 2.6GHz ranges so most of european providers should do, is there another trick to that?11:45
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Stskeepschem|st: field tests and operators, perhaps11:46
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Stskeepsfield tests are a major part of making sure your device functions sanely in places11:46
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chem|stif you unlock a band, isn't it just unlocked?11:47
Stskeepsnono, not about the band11:47
Stskeepsfield testing factually checks how device functions, deals with the network11:47
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chem|stah so it is not unlocked on the consumer upgrade6?11:47
Stskeepslong story short bands are related to antennas11:48
Stskeepsthen comes factually making sure the LTE impl is sane enough on networks, which means field tests11:48
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chem|stI was jsut wondering how you unlock a modem and implement controls for operators instead of bands11:49
Stskeepssimple answer is to look at mnc/mcc and enable 4g connectivity if you're on one of those..11:50
chem|stah scratch that, that is nothing else than roaming limitations11:50
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Sail0ris syncevolution syncing in background even it is closed ?14:05
Sail0r+when14:05
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bjornOk, 40 seconds to running app on Jolla when installing as RPM, 30 seconds when doing it with rsync. It seems the compilation phase is taking quite a bit, even for a minimal application.14:42
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Morpog_PC__bjorn, assign some more ram to the building vm14:47
Morpog_PC__and more cpu cores14:48
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bjornMorpog_PC__: Ah, how do I do that?15:15
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louisdkIf a network require special apn settings, could Jolla then make a feature to automatic set these settings out of a list?15:17
Stskeepswe already have such a database15:19
Stskeepsits not always accurate though15:19
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louisdkStskeeps: Nice. How do I submit changes to that database?15:25
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stephglouisdk: https://together.jolla.com/question/942/did-you-have-trouble-with-your-jolla-not-discovering-gprs3g-data-settings/15:30
louisdkstephg: thx15:31
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louisdkMy friend also have this problem with his device always want to connect wlan, even trough all apps are closed, and IM status set to offline. I don't have this issue with my Jolla.15:45
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louisdkI don't have to have wifi/3g or roaming enable to send mms right?16:49
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pdanekJolla 2 will be optional w/ or w/o slide-out keyboard!16:59
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Kiranospdanek: soruce?17:25
Kiranossource17:25
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pdanekKiranos: troll's lair17:30
Kiranosthought so :)17:31
Nicd-don't do that to us :(17:31
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* Aard wished pdanek would make up fake websites to point to before starting his next trolling attempts17:35
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pdanekOften when I'm tethering the internet via wifi, connection on my laptop dies until I "wake up" the connection in Jolla by for example opening a website on mobile browser.18:35
pdanekDoes it happen to you?18:35
Aardrarely18:36
Nicd-hasn't happened to me18:37
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coderusi'm not using tethering, i'm using iptables script and sharing internet from rmnet0 to rndis0 :)19:13
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* Aard used to do that before we had tethering support19:17
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fluxI haven't really used tethering, but my jolla almost always needs some waking to be accessible over ssh, be it over 3g or wlan20:01
fluxoften I use quickping for that..20:01
Jonnidepends if its connected to charger or not, as without charger is suspends on sleep, and when connected to charger it doesnt suspend.20:02
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jjanvier2 guys stole my jolla :(20:38
jjanvierI'm so sad20:38
Nicd-:O20:39
Nicd-that's sad20:39
jjanvieryeah20:39
Stskeepsjjanvier: did you have a lock code on it?20:39
jjanvierno :(20:39
flanag2 guys? Did they attack you? :/20:39
jjanvieryes20:40
jjanvierbut I'm ok20:40
jjanvierthe good thing is that I'm sure they'll never find how to use it20:40
flanag:D20:40
Stskeepsjust remember it's just a material thing, most important thing is that you're fine20:40
jjanvierStskeeps: so true20:41
flanagI'm glad that I'm using lock code nowadays20:41
Stskeepsbut next time around, add a lock code to your device, it's useless for anybody who gets it unless your muggers happen to be jolla employees20:41
Stskeeps:P20:41
jjanvier^^20:41
Nicd-Stskeeps: can they read the info through recovery mode though?20:41
Stskeepsno20:41
Stskeepsit'll ask for lock code20:41
Nicd-nice20:41
Nicd-maybe I should add a lock code20:41
flanagyes you should20:42
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Nicd-and remove my PIN :D20:42
Nicd-because the SIM keeps disconnecting and asking PIN20:42
Nicd-annoying20:42
tigeliNicd-: you should contact care about it20:42
flanagwhy don't you take it to service?20:42
Stskeepsbeen past care with that one?20:42
tigeliNicd-: they will fix it20:42
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tigeli:)20:43
flanagheh20:43
Nicd-well I figured there might be a way to make it more stable20:43
Nicd-like the battery paper trick20:43
tigeliNicd-: they will fix it permanently :)20:43
Nicd-ok, I will20:43
Nicd-my earlier SIM didn't have problems20:43
Nicd-funny thing, it was self cut :P this one is factory made20:44
flanagI got SIM disconnects maybe three times a couple of months ago but I haven't seen them after those20:44
flanagweird20:44
Nicd-I have them pretty often. I'll write to care20:44
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Nicd-can I write in Finnish?20:47
tigelisure20:47
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tigeliNicd-: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/fi/requests/new?ticket_form_id=11702820:47
tigelijjanvier: however, I suggest you change your password for all the services which you were using with your phone20:48
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Nicd-tigeli: done :)20:55
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chem|stNicd-: removing pin lock on N9 resulted in having no network at all instead of not being asked for pin entry20:58
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Nicd-hopefully I'll finally get my uptime back when the SIM thing is fixed21:11
Nicd-until the next update :)21:11
Nicd-now to think of a lock code I won't forget...21:11
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javispedroif anyone is having problems with bluez5, networkmanager, and jolla's bluetooth tethering support...21:31
javispedroit's because for some reason pulseaudio automatically decides to connect to it, so bluez5 always says jolla is "connected"21:32
javispedroand networkmanager, which for some reason expects the "device connected" signal without checking first whether the device is already connected or not, will never get such event21:33
javispedro(because it is always connected, ofc)21:33
javispedroso it gets stuck until the 30sec timeout.21:33
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javispedrosolution: ensure you bluetoothctl disconnect JOLLA_BT_ADDRESS before trying.21:34
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javispedroafter that it seems to work well, if I ignore the fact that the DHCP server within the Jolla PAN seems to be in address "1.0.168.192"21:37
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javispedroeven with that it still works, contradicting everything I know about tcp/ip... but I've seen worse.21:38
bjornIs there a way to detect whether an app is compiled for Sailfish OS in the .pro file?21:39
bjornOur .pro file tries to support desktop linux, mac, windows, android and tizen currently, and I wonder how to add sailfish to it.21:40
javispedrobjorn: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-March/000059.html21:40
bjornArg.21:41
Nicd-now for something to brighten up your day: waiting for the bus in finland: https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/b3SjZXS25xN :)21:43
javispedroclearly they're worried about cell signals from other phones causing them cancer21:43
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TemeVNicd-, Bus/Tram stops look quite the same here in Germany also, it is not like people are talkative all the time everywhere outside Finland22:21
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TemeVFinnish people are a bit more isolating on situations like this, but only a bit22:22
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