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| Waitee | aand factory reset done | 06:24 |
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| TMavica | Update 6: Handwriting of chinese, 4G for Finland, HongKong, Estonia, New events view sub-page for displaying Facebook notifications, File picker and real tabs support in browser, Personalise shortcuts on lockscreen pull-down menu, Support for additional Bluetooth profiles: PBAP and HID, Quick access to Sailfish OS updates in Settings | 06:34 |
| Nicd- | :O | 06:35 |
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| Nicd- | source? | 06:35 |
| Nicd- | real tabs in browser \o/ | 06:35 |
| TMavica | Hi all, | 06:36 |
| TMavica | As agreed in the community meeting on May 7, we will start sharing a | 06:36 |
| TMavica | high level software release content plan after each iteration planning | 06:36 |
| TMavica | day at Jolla. Based on the feedback received, we can re-visit the | 06:36 |
| TMavica | agreement later and discuss how to make things better for all of us. | 06:36 |
| TMavica | This reflects the current status. We are having a iteration planning | 06:36 |
| TMavica | session soon where we hope to add more technical details on where we | 06:36 |
| TMavica | intend to focus our efforts in software development. | 06:36 |
| TMavica | We are currently mid way through iteration 4, in the implementation | 06:36 |
| TMavica | phase for update7. In the meantime, we are finalising update 6 and here | 06:36 |
| TMavica | is a glimpse of what to expect with this release: | 06:36 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 06:36 | |
| TMavica | Disclaimer: As discussed during the meeting, this is an intent of the | 06:36 |
| TMavica | release content and not a promise. We will do our best to keep you | 06:36 |
| TMavica | informed on the changes since the planning. | 06:36 |
| TMavica | Regards, | 06:36 |
| TMavica | Soumya | 06:36 |
| *** TMavica was kicked by Stskeeps (use a pastebin next time) | 06:36 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o Stskeeps | 06:36 | |
| Stskeeps | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html | 06:36 |
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| Nicd- | swift (and just) punishment! | 06:37 |
| TMavica | kicked out.. | 06:37 |
| Nicd- | TMavica: use a pastebin | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: just refer to https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html next time or use pastie.org | 06:37 |
| TMavica | lazy | 06:37 |
| TMavica | lol | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | flooding a lot of information into an irc channel is bad form and will get you banned | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:37 |
| TMavica | O | 06:38 |
| TMavica | i missed that page | 06:38 |
| TMavica | thx stskeeps | 06:38 |
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| TMavica | stskeeps | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 06:42 |
| TMavica | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37229054/10277611_641243189291417_3590144156056577124_n.jpg | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | i don't read chinese, sorry | 06:42 |
| TMavica | advertisement | 06:43 |
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| TMavica | i know you cant | 06:43 |
| TMavica | lol | 06:43 |
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| BuTwo | Jolla and HK? | 06:51 |
| gexc | the Chinese font used in the ad looks weird | 06:51 |
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| TMavica | i feel so | 06:52 |
| TMavica | the device release in HongKong should already pack with update 6 | 06:52 |
| gexc | for an ad one may expect a fancier one :p | 06:52 |
| Pnuu | comic sans chinese?-) | 06:52 |
| TMavica | Pnuu dont know | 06:52 |
| TMavica | mostly release day is 20/5 of update 6 | 06:52 |
| gexc | 幼圆 may be the comic sans for Chinese | 06:53 |
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| TMavica | 幼圓? | 06:54 |
| BuTwo | 幼圆... | 06:54 |
| gexc | some childish font | 06:55 |
| Quu | wat | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | 'comic sans for chinese'.. now that's a new one :) | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: where do you find those things, out of curiousity | 06:58 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: idea for next year april fools, comic sans all the fonts. | 06:59 |
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| kirma | comic sans for chinese == wawati? | 06:59 |
| Quu | or maybe no, people would suicide | 06:59 |
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| TMavica | Stskeeps, the chinese operator said | 07:00 |
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| TMavica | i mean china | 07:00 |
| TMavica | They are planning get the device in Hong Kong and ship to China | 07:01 |
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| TMavica | I think it will be nil stock as fast | 07:03 |
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| Acce | hmm.. suddenly "Jolla lipstick: Warning: attempt to get settings of invalid account!" when trying to change password for an exchange account | 07:39 |
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| Acce | also "jolla-settings: [W] unknown:171 - file:///usr/share/accounts/ui/activesync-settings.qml:171: Error: Cannot assign [undefined] to QString" | 07:42 |
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| Acce | well, the login fails with the new password no matter what. works in webmail and outlook though | 07:46 |
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| aupo | Has anyone else tried to connect Microsoft Outlook email to Jolla's Email app? | 07:47 |
| aupo | I got myself to read my emails but whenever I try to send email it just says there's a login problem. | 07:48 |
| aupo | And nothing's sent. | 07:48 |
| VDVsx_ | aupo, most likely you have wrong SMTP settings | 07:48 |
| VDVsx_ | works fine for me | 07:49 |
| VDVsx_ | Acce, what you did existent account or you configured it now ? | 07:49 |
| Teme | i've tried and failed, but then i realized i don't even want it really | 07:49 |
| aupo | Aight. I've tried to go through them time and time again but it's always the same :D | 07:49 |
| Teme | can use web client if need be and avoid work notifications | 07:49 |
| Acce | VDVsx_: I had working account, then I had to change my password | 07:49 |
| VDVsx_ | next update bring auto configuration for major providers, outlook is one of them | 07:49 |
| aupo | Nice. | 07:50 |
| VDVsx_ | but outlook is easy to configure anyway, is most common settings | 07:50 |
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| aupo | smtp.office365.com / TLS / 587 / Auth: Passwod | 07:50 |
| aupo | Sound about right? | 07:50 |
| VDVsx_ | aupo, no smtp-mail.outlook.com | 07:50 |
| VDVsx_ | aupo, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/outlook/send-receive-from-app | 07:51 |
| aupo | Hmmmmmmm.... That... Doesn't sound right at all :D Could we be using different versions of Outlook? | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | aupo: are you talking about TUT mail? | 07:51 |
| VDVsx_ | aupo, if outlook.com is that the server | 07:52 |
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| aupo | Nicd-: Yes | 07:52 |
| Nicd- | aupo: configure it as exchange account | 07:52 |
| VDVsx_ | if is something you have locally then I dunno, depends on your server | 07:52 |
| aupo | Yeah, I think I've tried to do that but guess I've failed :D | 07:52 |
| VDVsx_ | probably it does not even support smtp if is Exchange service via office365 | 07:52 |
| VDVsx_ | i.e they disable it most of times(it does support) | 07:53 |
| Nicd- | aupo: my exchange config: email = my.name@student.tut.fi, username = intra-username@student.tut.fi, server domain = outlook.office365.com, server address = outlook.office365.com, server port = 443 | 07:53 |
| Nicd- | VDVsx_: it does support imap and smtp but I had problems with it too | 07:53 |
| aupo | Nicd-: Yeah, that sounds what I have as my config and I can read the mail fine. Only sending emails fails. | 07:54 |
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| Nicd- | aupo: are you trying with imap or exchange? | 07:55 |
| aupo | Just as a general email account, so IMAP I guess? :D | 07:55 |
| Nicd- | try to add as exchange | 07:55 |
| Acce | logs say "Credentials updated succesfully".. msyncd gives some error "Profile file not found: /home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/storage/hsms.xml" but does that have anything to do with exchange accounts? | 07:56 |
| VDVsx_ | Nicd-, did you managed to have it working in other devices ? it does not list any auths in that server before hand-shake probably it has some special permissions: http://pastebin.com/b5iHTeFd | 07:56 |
| VDVsx_ | Acce, no | 07:56 |
| VDVsx_ | Acce, ignore that | 07:56 |
| Nicd- | VDVsx_: I have it working with IMAP+SMTP in my thunderbird | 07:56 |
| VDVsx_ | Nicd-, what auth you use for SMTP ? | 07:57 |
| Nicd- | STARTTLS port 587 | 07:57 |
| Nicd- | authentication "normal password" | 07:57 |
| aupo | Nicd-: I may be stupid, but I can't find a way to add an Exchange account. Only FB, General email, Google, Twitter and XMPP | 07:57 |
| Nicd- | aupo: you need to install exchange support from store | 07:58 |
| salami` | aupo: did you install the exchange app? | 07:58 |
| VDVsx_ | Nicd-, can you collect logs from jolla device when it fails to send ? | 07:58 |
| aupo | salami`: We have such a thing?! :D | 07:58 |
| salami` | :) | 07:58 |
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| Nicd- | VDVsx_: I don't have the account configured. but one problem was that the email address for sending and the username for authentication were different | 07:58 |
| Nicd- | as in matti.meikalainen@student.tut.fi (email address) vs meikalm@student.tut.fi (username) | 07:59 |
| VDVsx_ | Nicd-, ok, but how that's a problem ? you can change both | 07:59 |
| Nicd- | it was a problem earlier when jolla's email app didn't differentiate between them | 07:59 |
| Nicd- | at some point I just switched to exchange so I haven't tried smtp for a while | 08:00 |
| VDVsx_ | Nicd-, email address if the first field there and then username for sending is the one under SMTP settings | 08:00 |
| VDVsx_ | Nicd-, ah ok, yes it was not possible at the beginning | 08:00 |
| VDVsx_ | aupo, so you might have the same since you are getting auth failed ? ^ | 08:00 |
| aupo | Entirely possible. | 08:01 |
| aupo | Currently setting up the Exchange account. | 08:01 |
| VDVsx_ | aupo, if you could try via SMTP later, let me know if it does not work, make sure you have correct username for sending, thx | 08:01 |
| salami` | usually you're supposed to use your ad accounts UPN as the login name | 08:01 |
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| Stskeepz | /g #Jolla | 08:04 |
| Stskeepz | .. ignore me | 08:05 |
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| Stskeepz | gah, bad nick too.. | 08:06 |
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| Acce | Sigh.. I guess I have no choice but to delete and setup again this exchange account | 08:06 |
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| ballock | wait, what have you done to StsKeeps? | 08:06 |
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| aupo | Hmm, doesn't seem like sending email works even with Exchange. Strangest is that Exchange doesn't give me any outgoing mail server settings to configure. | 08:08 |
| aupo | I did get to read my mail a-ok though | 08:08 |
| aupo | Rewrote my login info for the General email account and it gives the same "Problem with sign-in" | 08:11 |
| salami` | aupo: exhcange usually uses the same port for everything | 08:12 |
| salami` | or almost everything | 08:12 |
| aupo | Ours doesn't :D | 08:12 |
| salami` | 365 or on-premises? | 08:12 |
| aupo | 365 | 08:12 |
| aupo | in is 993, out is 587 | 08:12 |
| aupo | Different server addresses as well. | 08:12 |
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| aupo | Strangest is that the Exchange email doesn't even say anything; it attempts connection (the top "light" starts undulating) and then just stops, no error, no nothing | 08:18 |
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| aupo | VDVsx_: So just to ping you; tried with the correct login info; no change. Exchange mail account doesn't work with sending email either | 08:20 |
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| Acce | now changing the password just suddenly worked for me.. | 08:20 |
| aupo | Acce: Oh? | 08:21 |
| aupo | Acce: Do you have outgoing server settings in your Exchange account? | 08:21 |
| Acce | yep, no idea what caused it.. maybe because I tried to set accept all certificates too and then save | 08:21 |
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| Acce | shouldn't have been cert problem though | 08:22 |
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| Acce | worked before withough accepting them all | 08:22 |
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| aupo | Yeah, I tried with all certs accepted as well, but that didn't seem to change anything. | 08:23 |
| Acce | have you tried the turn off provisions at the bottom? | 08:25 |
| Acce | I needed to check that initially | 08:25 |
| aupo | We shall try it now. | 08:25 |
| aupo | Well at least I once again proved to myself that sending with gmail works as I accidentally sent the mail using that first.. | 08:27 |
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| aupo | But nothing forthcoming with the Exchange mail. Time to re-re-recheck the settings I guess :D | 08:29 |
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| aupo | Nope, nope and nope... | 08:31 |
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| aupo | Oooookay, seems like I now have "Problem with sync" | 08:34 |
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| aupo | Sounds like it's time to eat. | 08:34 |
| Sail0r | hm cool | 08:36 |
| Sail0r | Messaging app is in a strange condition | 08:36 |
| Sail0r | It can be opened closed and swiped away | 08:36 |
| Sail0r | but nothing can be selected | 08:36 |
| Sail0r | and menus not working | 08:36 |
| Sail0r | no logs | 08:36 |
| Sail0r | lipstick[1013]: QQmlExpression: Attempted to evaluate an expression in an invalid context | 08:37 |
| Sail0r | that's the only thing which appears | 08:37 |
| special | ouch | 08:37 |
| special | sounds like the UI got badly stuck.. | 08:38 |
| special | you can 'pkill messages' or reboot to get it working, I guess there's not much useful about how it happened there | 08:38 |
| Sail0r | every other app is working | 08:38 |
| Sail0r | pkill messages solved it | 08:39 |
| Sail0r | ok now things are more weird I am going to reboot ^^ | 08:40 |
| Sail0r | jolla mail started logging after killing messages | 08:40 |
| Sail0r | jolla-email[2294]: [W] QCopClient::connectToServer:1163 - void QCopClient::connectToServer() QLocalSocket::ServerNotFoundError "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name" | 08:40 |
| Sail0r | one line per second | 08:40 |
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| chem|st | transfer engine keeps hanging at 95% but only with one of two imap accounts (one is completely fine) | 09:04 |
| chem|st | and then it fails... | 09:05 |
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| VDVsx_ | aupo, exchange uses same connection to send and receive no separated settings, for the generic is better if you start from scratch remove account and add again with correct settings, since connection might be open trying to sending that email, so can take a while to take new config if you don't recreate acct | 09:10 |
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| Yaniel | "the device is getting hot. close all apps" | 09:12 |
| Yaniel | should I be concerned? | 09:12 |
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| Yaniel | it does not feel hot anyway | 09:14 |
| Yaniel | warm yes, but just the normal irc-over-3g warm | 09:14 |
| Nicd- | that has happened to some people now | 09:14 |
| Nicd- | funny how these kind of things tend to happen at the same time for many people | 09:15 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx_: not sending, just syncing folders... | 09:27 |
| chem|st | it kind of works when I go to inbox and hit update, at least I see new emails, but the global one on the frontpage keeps hanging | 09:28 |
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| VDVsx_ | chem|st, probably some other account is wrongly configured, since it exactly the same call from inbox just syncs that account | 09:54 |
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| Yaniel | welp, it shut itself down after another warning | 10:22 |
| Yaniel | and now it is just one sudden shutdown after another | 10:23 |
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| Yaniel | time for the good ol battery trick | 10:24 |
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| javispedro | i really miss unmanaged windows on the wm :) | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 10:47 |
| javispedro | trying qtwidgets =) | 10:48 |
| javispedro | menupopups are unusable | 10:48 |
| javispedro | because they are treated as a normal window | 10:48 |
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| javispedro | (by unmanaged I mean overrideredirect in X11 lingo) | 10:48 |
| javispedro | but just a curiosity | 10:50 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | hi, does anyone else have problems sending e-mail with attachments? | 11:15 |
| bennypr0fane_ | if I try that, the mail just disappears | 11:15 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, probably in outbox ? or sent folder ? | 11:18 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: no, nothing there. sendin mail without attachment appears in Sent immediately | 11:19 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, what kind of acct ? | 11:19 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | it's the same outcome whether I try to send a photo from the gallery app or add the photo to a new e-mail in the e-mail app | 11:20 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: what's acct? | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | i have seen it complain a bit with sending photos | 11:20 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, account type, exchange/IMAP/POP ? | 11:21 |
| bennypr0fane_ | IMAP | 11:21 |
| VDVsx_ | Stskeeps, what happens ? no known problem with that IIRC | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx_: i think high mem usage | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think it was maybe a video i tried to send | 11:22 |
| VDVsx_ | Stskeeps, if is too big while get stuck, we are not yet checking max send size allowed for the servers that support it | 11:23 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, no idea then, works fine for me, no known issue around that, if you are able to collect logs will be appreciated | 11:23 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | ok, this time, the one I sent from the mail client came through with the pic. the one from Gallery app disappeared | 11:25 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: I'll try to record a log if you give me hint hwo it's done | 11:25 |
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| Waitee | hmm | 11:28 |
| Waitee | factory reset removed the problem with my email settings | 11:28 |
| bennypr0fane_ | Waitee: you mean the complete OS reset to zero? | 11:29 |
| Waitee | that's what factory reset means imho | 11:29 |
| bennypr0fane_ | does factory reset mean to last update, or to 1st beta release? | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | currently it means to 1.0.0.5 I think | 11:29 |
| Waitee | first beta release | 11:29 |
| Waitee | yeah 1.0.0.5 it said | 11:30 |
| Waitee | of course i updated back to latest | 11:30 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, are you sure the one send from gallery was sent to a valid address ? is exactly the same from both sides | 11:30 |
| bennypr0fane_ | Nah, I can't go through re-installing and customizing everyzthing from scratch. not unless I reeeeeeealllly have to | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | earlier when I sent a picture from the gallery as an email the email was never sent. but going to email app and attaching the image there and sending worked | 11:31 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: it used to work, so you suggest to set it up again? | 11:31 |
| Nicd- | but some update fixed it | 11:31 |
| bennypr0fane_ | Nicd-: that is what I'm experiencing now | 11:31 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: I wouldn't know how to make sure, bcs the one I tried to sedn from Gallery is just gone, it doesn't show up anywhere | 11:32 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, if you know which one is not working, check it, what’s the problem, wrong settings perhaps | 11:32 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: when I go to inbox and hit update there it does update some mails | 11:33 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, it needs to be in sent or outbox folder, if you select "send" and the composer dismiss after that | 11:33 |
| chem|st | it seemed to not update beyond april 28th | 11:33 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, so but you have more than one acct | 11:33 |
| chem|st | yes | 11:33 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, all work from inbox ? | 11:34 |
| chem|st | it is only one account doing it | 11:34 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, yahoo ? | 11:34 |
| chem|st | private | 11:34 |
| chem|st | and journal says "failed to fetch a record" | 11:34 |
| chem|st | failed to find the correct row | 11:35 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, that's transfer-ui, ignore | 11:35 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: I don't understand "composer dismiss after that". Anyhow, it's not in outbox and not in sent | 11:35 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, press send, it comes back to gallery | 11:35 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, if you can collect logs I can take a look: http://pastebin.com/qqRSBAs9 | 11:38 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: I just tried again, confirming "no" for sending from Gallery. e-mail's gone, not sent, not outbox, not inbox. "OK" for sending from e-mail client | 11:41 |
| bennypr0fane_ | how would I go about collecting those logs. do we have a simple app for that? | 11:42 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, same image ? | 11:42 |
| bennypr0fane_ | no | 11:43 |
| bennypr0fane_ | but both taken with default settings on the jolla camera | 11:43 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, ok, so not big, are you adding the to address manually or picked from recipients suggestions ? | 11:43 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: I tried both | 11:44 |
| bennypr0fane_ | same same | 11:44 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: the logs do not have anything "after" the first account's logout | 11:45 |
| chem|st | ok scratch that... took 15 seconds to do anything | 11:45 |
| VDVsx_ | yeah, is slow flushing, not important operation anyway | 11:46 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, only way to collect logs is enable them via ssh or via usb connection to a pc | 11:47 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, like explained here: http://pastebin.com/qqRSBAs9 | 11:47 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: want the logs mailed or pastebinned? | 11:48 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, as you wish | 11:48 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: ok, so .log file name extension is fine for the log files? | 11:49 |
| bennypr0fane_ | do I need to connect the usb cable in dev mode? | 11:49 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, any, just access that file, then add the file name and enabled to 1, reboot, reproduce the problem and send me the file | 11:49 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, no need | 11:50 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, but make sure you select show hidden files in your pc file browser, | 11:50 |
| VDVsx_ | the file is hidden | 11:50 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: what's yr e-mail? | 11:50 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, is there in the pastebin | 11:51 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, "send me the log file to mail-logs at jolla dot com" | 11:51 |
| bennypr0fane_ | got it | 11:51 |
| VDVsx_ | then remember to disable logs again, because otherwise will take disk space | 11:51 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: as this holds private data I'd like to mail... | 11:53 |
| bennypr0fane_ | I can't get above the "Phone memory" level from pc file manager it seems | 11:54 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, yup, you can also remove email address and server address and stuff like that if you wish | 11:54 |
| bennypr0fane_ | oh wait, this is in user space | 11:55 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, what folders you can see ? Documents and so on ? | 11:55 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: | 11:55 |
| bennypr0fane_ | yes | 11:55 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, ok that's same place where these files are, what's your OS in pc ? | 11:56 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: dolphin file manager in kubuntu | 11:56 |
| bennypr0fane_ | I thought Ctrl+h would show the hidden files, but it doesn't | 11:56 |
| VDVsx_ | oh | 11:56 |
| VDVsx_ | what about view->show hidden files ? | 11:57 |
| VDVsx_ | in nautilus ctrl+h shows hidden files | 11:57 |
| coderus | its alt + / | 11:57 |
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| coderus | alt + . | 11:57 |
| coderus | in dolphin | 11:57 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, ^ | 11:57 |
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| coderus | Settings - Shortcuts menu available in almost any native kde application | 11:58 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: ok I found "show hidden files" but Documetns is still emtpy | 11:58 |
| coderus | f4 - ls -la | 11:58 |
| bennypr0fane_ | aarrgh, wrong path | 11:59 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, is not in documents is in .config/QtProject/Messageserver.conf | 11:59 |
| VDVsx_ | Documents is the place I recommend to save the log file for easier access | 11:59 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | found it | 12:00 |
| bennypr0fane_ | sorry for hte confusion | 12:00 |
| coderus | :) | 12:02 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: just o be sure, my Messageserver.conf looks like this now: http://pastie.org/9181581 | 12:02 |
| coderus | i'm using kde very long, if you have question you may ask me :) | 12:02 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | coderus: got it, thanks! :-) | 12:03 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, yup good, restart device and then reproduce the problem sending email from gallery and also from email app | 12:03 |
| VDVsx_ | if same image better | 12:03 |
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| VDVsx_ | then grab that file after a minute or so | 12:03 |
| bennypr0fane_ | so now I just reboot | 12:03 |
| bennypr0fane_ | ok | 12:03 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, ah damn, there's a problem | 12:04 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, you have 'path' twice | 12:04 |
| bennypr0fane_ | I got a different question: today I wanted to power up the Jolla and teh LED started flashing green for a while | 12:05 |
| VDVsx_ | remove one of these 'Path=' | 12:05 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: oops, thank you | 12:05 |
| bennypr0fane_ | ...and did not power up, just stopped flashing. I tried again, it started flashing red. later green again and then powered up | 12:07 |
| bennypr0fane_ | what does the green and red LED flashing mean? | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx_: seems I have had 3 imaps... | 12:10 |
| chem|st | http://pastebin.com/SuCeFK20 | 12:10 |
| spiiroin_ | bennypr0fane_: ui side is not responsive during display power up (green led) or power down (red led) | 12:12 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: imap 2 and 3 are the same | 12:12 |
| bennypr0fane_ | spiiroin_: wouldn't it do that at each power up/down then? | 12:12 |
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| spiiroin_ | bennypr0fane_: it depends on what the cause is; most of the hiccups are something temporary | 12:16 |
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| VDVsx_ | chem|st, seems like you hit a Qt bug, it just stops reading from the socket in some conditions, I've a fix but will be in update7 only, so better to recreate the account, it does recover most of the times after a few attempts, but not always | 12:19 |
| chem|st | so delete the account and recreate? why is it imap 2 with all folders and imap 3 with only the inbox... | 12:19 |
| VDVsx_ | humm, didn't noticed anyway, will check again | 12:20 |
| chem|st | and for the bloody record! I hate MTP! I see all folders and files in the first view, no files nor folders below | 12:21 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, there's only syncs for inbox and trash for one of the accounts | 12:22 |
| VDVsx_ | not all folders | 12:22 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: sent the logs! let me know if it worked | 12:22 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | coderus: can you tell me why sometimes when there's a file in the clipbaord, it's not available for pasting to Dolphin, upon right click? | 12:26 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, everything is fine there, it says message was queue in server side, seems like you server is not send immediately: ECV: "250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as F1612C007AC" | 12:26 |
| VDVsx_ | and message was also successfully copied to sent folder | 12:26 |
| VDVsx_ | in the server side even | 12:27 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: that's weird, then why can't I see it there? | 12:27 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | all the mails I tried sending from e-mail client are there (4), all the ones I tried sending from gallery app are not - and did not arrive at recipient either | 12:28 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, you even received the same email in your account right after :) | 12:28 |
| bennypr0fane_ | yes, it forwards | 12:29 |
| bennypr0fane_ | this makes no sense, does it? because what I see on the Jolla is the same as what I see on the webmail client | 12:30 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | both gmail and eml websites | 12:30 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, why you expect to see something different from the webmail ? | 12:31 |
| VDVsx_ | mails should be the same in both sides | 12:31 |
| javispedro | VDVsx_: btw, had any experience with Horde (groupware software) 's EAS support? | 12:31 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: yes, they should. but you say that according to the logs, all mail was delivered. except they're not there | 12:32 |
| VDVsx_ | javispedro, nop, only standard exchange is supported atm, others might work but haven't tested | 12:32 |
| javispedro | ok | 12:32 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | btw guys, how about that update 6? any news on that? | 12:33 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, that ultra strange, logs show the mail being sent, being transfered to 'INBOX.Sent Items' and being received in the inbox of eml account | 12:33 |
| VDVsx_ | all good there | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | maybe it's the wrong log? (from when the sending works) | 12:34 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, ah, you have different accounts, two usernames :) | 12:35 |
| bennypr0fane_ | Nicd-: I included both the ones where everything checks out and where | 12:35 |
| bennypr0fane_ | it doesn't | 12:36 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: you mean on the same server? | 12:36 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, from gallery it uses the default email account sent in settings->apps->email, from email app it uses the account from the mail box you are in | 12:36 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, yes | 12:36 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, mail is transfered to the send folder of the account that starts with a username similar to your nick name here, and send from the other one | 12:37 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: they're actually supposed to be the same account. ben.opp is just an alias | 12:37 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | of that same account | 12:38 |
| bennypr0fane_ | but I need to use the account acutal user name to check the e-mail client in at the server, I believe. I don't think it works when using the alias. | 12:39 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, so let me see if I can get the problem, you send email from gallery the emails are received and are in the sent folder in the server side and not in the Jolla is that the case ? | 12:40 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: no. they don't appear on the Jolla and not on the server. it's like the Jolla pretends to send them and deletes them instead | 12:41 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, highly unlikely that logs shows replies from the server that all was accepted :) | 12:43 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, can you collect logs again, one mail send from gallery one send from email app ? | 12:43 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: I just sent you a screenshot of my settings in Settings>accounts>e-mail | 12:43 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | the two accounts don't look the same in the settings. I acutally thought it was just one and the same | 12:44 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, nothing wrong there, otherwise wouldn't work from any place | 12:44 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane_: probably you overrided it accidentally | 12:44 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane_: enable Klipper in status area applets | 12:44 |
| bennypr0fane_ | I'm sure it must be in my mail accounts settings on Jolla client | 12:44 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, did you check default account under settings->apps->email ? | 12:45 |
| VDVsx_ | that's the one used when sending from outside email app | 12:45 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: so that must be the one that's not working | 12:46 |
| VDVsx_ | everything works according to the logs | 12:46 |
| VDVsx_ | at least email is delivered to your address | 12:46 |
| VDVsx_ | and received locally in the device again | 12:47 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, sent you email with the addresses envolved | 12:51 |
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| VDVsx_ | I don't see any problem there, server saves the email and you receive it, there's even the image in base64 encoded coming over the network there | 12:52 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: got it, the problem is not visible in the logs. only on my device :-( | 12:53 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx_: the folder list for imap 2 was like 50 entries - cut it out, for imap 3 there was nothing to cut | 12:54 |
| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, lol, unless is some glitch in email app, MW is doing everything right, did you tried to close app and reopen | 12:54 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, is just the retrieve folders list command, not syncing those | 12:55 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: yup. I'm stumped. I just hope it'll go away with the next update | 12:55 |
| chem|st | ok, so what is the difference between imap 2 and 3 then? | 12:55 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, very unlikely I can fix problems I can't see | 12:56 |
| chem|st | and why are there two? | 12:56 |
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| VDVsx_ | chem|st, two what ? | 12:56 |
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| VDVsx_ | bennypr0fane_, if you provide logs like I asked above(both sending from email and gallery), might something else show up, in previous logs all fine | 12:57 |
| bennypr0fane_ | VDVsx_: ok, will do | 12:57 |
| bennypr0fane_ | probably tonight though, gotta go now | 12:57 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: I don't know if I read it right, I read IMAP [1,2,3] but I only have two accounts setup and IMAP [2,3] are the same server | 12:58 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, only two accounts there | 12:58 |
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| chem|st | ok so the numbers are just counting actions? | 12:59 |
| VDVsx_ | yes | 12:59 |
| chem|st | ah ok thanks | 12:59 |
| VDVsx_ | .org and .de | 12:59 |
| chem|st | ah ok it is doing account id=2 again and it gets i++ | 13:00 |
| chem|st | ok I will delete that account, is there anything FS wise to delete too? | 13:00 |
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| VDVsx_ | no just use UI to delete it | 13:01 |
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| chem|st | alot of stuff is not getting erased cache wise | 13:01 |
| chem|st | like facebook pictures | 13:01 |
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| VDVsx_ | if you disable acct it stays there, if you delete it should delete everything, unless there's some bug I don't know | 13:02 |
| VDVsx_ | re facebook | 13:02 |
| chem|st | ok | 13:04 |
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| chem|st | so in all this mess lipstick or wayland or lipstick cause of wayland die | 13:25 |
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| Yaniel | ohhhh I feel dumb | 13:32 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx_: reseting the account, updating once, sending test mail - lipstick crashed - no space left on device with 8.9GB free space... | 13:35 |
| chem|st | there you go 21 days uptime | 13:36 |
| SK_work | :D | 13:36 |
| Yaniel | hmm no that did not help -- assumed tracker did not index the sd card because the folder on it was named wrong | 13:36 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, sounds like some memory corruption, that I dunno how to fix | 13:36 |
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| VDVsx_ | reboot should do it, there's also some brtfs command for that | 13:37 |
| coderus | Yaniel: you might have too many small files and fs cant allocate new | 13:37 |
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| Yaniel | like... where? | 13:38 |
| coderus | there is wiki on tjs for that | 13:38 |
| coderus | let me find that | 13:38 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: so something did lockup btrfs, I have no persist on journal, I try to put it on the sd | 13:38 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 13:43 |
| Yaniel | none of the symptoms are present | 13:44 |
| coderus | read all article | 13:44 |
| coderus | there is many info about btrfs | 13:44 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx_: who to send the log too? | 13:46 |
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| Yaniel | hmm okay | 13:46 |
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| Yaniel | btrfs fi show says "sailfish" has 13.75GB used out of 13.75GB | 13:46 |
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| Yaniel | (/dev/mmcblk0p28) | 13:47 |
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| VDVsx_ | chem|st, t.j.c, not to me :) | 13:47 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: that's bad | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | leads to all sorts of funky stuff | 13:48 |
| Yaniel | is /home btrfs too? | 13:49 |
| Nicd- | yes | 13:49 |
| Nicd- | for me the fix was doing btrfs rebalance | 13:49 |
| Nicd- | took around 15 minutes | 13:49 |
| Yaniel | going to do that now | 13:49 |
| Mnsu_ | to me those btrfs issues seem very critical, is there a way for a "normal" non-linux-savvy customer to even deal with those? | 13:49 |
| Nicd- | connect to a charger! | 13:49 |
| Nicd- | the phone is unusable while you are doing the rebalance | 13:50 |
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| Nicd- | also read that whole together thread | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | it has good instructions for doing the rebalance | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | I hope my pc provides sufficient power over usb :D | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | I wouldn't count on it | 13:51 |
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| Yaniel | you'd ssh in via wlan? | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | Mnsu_: there's not much a regular user can do | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I did it straight on the device | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | in fingerterm | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | *nod* | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | I hope they get an updated btrfs version out on the devices quickly or something else which would fix this issue | 13:53 |
| Nicd- | otherwise it may brick many phones | 13:53 |
| Yaniel | yep | 13:53 |
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| Mnsu_ | yep, that and those bootloop issues, after those stability would be pretty good i guess | 13:59 |
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| Yaniel | let's see how much this does | 13:59 |
| Yaniel | it might do a lot since I had almost 10GB of stuff there before I got the sd card | 13:59 |
| chem|st | VDVsx_: would be nice if the guys working on bugs mark them as WIP or something... | 14:00 |
| Yaniel | I guess if I'm lucky this turns out to be the reason for the sudden shutdowns I've been experiencing lately | 14:00 |
| Yaniel | and settings not being saved | 14:00 |
| VDVsx_ | chem|st, we are too few, more places to reports, less actual work done :) | 14:03 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx_: another reason why a proper bugtracker is better than tjc | 14:08 |
| VDVsx_ | agree with you on that :) | 14:08 |
| chem|st | 1101 bugs on tjc which are not marked as dup | 14:09 |
| chem|st | or released in an upgrade | 14:09 |
| faenil | wow, 1101 | 14:09 |
| faenil | maybe they were released but haven't been marked as such? | 14:10 |
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| Yaniel | okay now it says size 13.75GB used 4.07GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | but the sdcard contents still don't show | 14:11 |
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| chem|st | faenil: I try to mark everything I see fit... but I wont search for it | 14:37 |
| faenil | chem|st, maybe we should, together, 5-6 people, 100bugs each, in 2-3h we're done | 14:37 |
| faenil | looks like a nice community project for this weekend :) | 14:38 |
| Aard | it is quite possible that we missed a lot resolved stuff on together. I guess for many people it's like me that sometimes we have time a few days in a row, and then we don't have time to even look at together for 2 weeks | 14:39 |
| faenil | I'd trade that time if I had the certainty I could file those bugs somewhere sailors would actually look | 14:39 |
| faenil | Aard, yeah, that's bad | 14:39 |
| faenil | I won't spend that time if I don't have that certainty though :) | 14:41 |
| chem|st | faenil: I take €35/h | 14:41 |
| faenil | chem|st, I'd do that for free, if I had the said certainty | 14:42 |
| faenil | otherwise, I won't do it at all, no time to waste | 14:43 |
| Aard | faenil: we try to look, but it's a bit hard sometimes next to doing 2 fulltime jobs :p | 14:43 |
| faenil | Aard, I know, it's understandable, it's just not what tjc is for, you guys always said that's where you file bugs, so it's *your* duty to read *all* of them | 14:43 |
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| Aard | faenil: reading and closing them are two different things | 14:44 |
| faenil | Aard, sure, you mean you read all of them but don't close some? | 14:45 |
| Aard | I think most of the issues there are read, but we don't have the time to go through all of them when we release | 14:45 |
| chem|st | Aard: we understand the limitation... it is just sad that we report bugs and never know a thing | 14:45 |
| faenil | Aard, ok, then it's different :) | 14:45 |
| faenil | chem|st, +1 | 14:45 |
| chem|st | uiqant... | 14:46 |
| faenil | I proposed having a direct link between internal bugtracker status and tjc thread | 14:46 |
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| faenil | as easy as that | 14:46 |
| faenil | you don't need to expose internal info | 14:46 |
| faenil | just the status | 14:46 |
| faenil | so that when the sailors files the bug in the tracker, it links it to a tjc thread | 14:46 |
| faenil | and when the bug status in tracker is updated, the title in the thread on tjc is updated as well | 14:46 |
| Aard | faenil: not that easy. my current guess is that we'll eventually have an open sailfishos bugtracker, though, and then keep together more for discussions, less for filing bugs | 14:47 |
| Aard | that bugtracker thing is a bit tied to how mer continues, though | 14:47 |
| faenil | Aard, yeah that was a temporary measure while the bugtracker decision settles | 14:47 |
| faenil | I thought it would be easy enough to implement, I might be wrong of course | 14:48 |
| Aard | you are wrong. :p | 14:48 |
| Aard | we discussed that in depth internally a while ago | 14:48 |
| faenil | really, it's difficult to modify a tthread's title having it's url? okay then :) | 14:48 |
| faenil | its* | 14:49 |
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| faenil | Aard, an extreme temporary solution which I can propose then is giving few "trusted" people access to the internal bugtracker (and that internal website only) so that they could help filing bugs from TJC, and keeping tjc threads updated | 14:53 |
| SK_work | Aard: :) | 14:53 |
| faenil | Cons: risky, you have to trust people | 14:53 |
| SK_work | thanks | 14:53 |
| faenil | Pro: you get a boost in bugtracking for free | 14:54 |
| SK_work | faenil: +1 | 14:54 |
| SK_work | faenil: actually, askbot API is rather poor :( | 14:54 |
| javispedro | omg, internal bugtracker access | 14:55 |
| javispedro | cats and dogs living together | 14:55 |
| faenil | javispedro, ?? | 14:55 |
| faenil | cats and dogs always lived together, it's prejudice which separate them | 14:56 |
| javispedro | =) | 14:56 |
| faenil | ;) | 14:56 |
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| javispedro | it's just that I was looking at some JB#XXXX shortmsgs | 14:56 |
| javispedro | er.. logs in git commits | 14:56 |
| faenil | yeah | 14:56 |
| faenil | that happened many times :) | 14:56 |
| javispedro | and thinking it's exactly like nokia days.. | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | will get sorted out better when we have the nemo mw -> mer merge | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | hard to go around atm | 14:57 |
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| suy | what's that merge? isn't nemo part of mer? or you mean having it packaged, or anything else? | 14:58 |
| SK_work | suy: nemo was based on Mer | 14:59 |
| SK_work | Mer is a set of (mostly) upstream packages, while nemo was a lot of dev work | 14:59 |
| SK_work | however, it makes sense to have nemo in mer now | 14:59 |
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| suy | SK_work: ok, thanks. Sometimes is a complicated thing, this stuff. The project relations, I mean. | 15:01 |
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| faenil | suy, from bottom to top | 15:02 |
| faenil | Mer -> Nemo -> Sailfish UI | 15:02 |
| faenil | Nemo and Mer will be joined, | 15:02 |
| faenil | Mer(which-includes-Nemo) -> Sailfish UI | 15:02 |
| suy | I thought that was always the case, since I saw nemo had no website, and used mer's wiki (IIRC) | 15:03 |
| SK_work | suy: nemo uses mer infro that's true | 15:03 |
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| SK_work | but the two projects lived different lives before | 15:03 |
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| tango_ | like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEYvkZsteI4 | 15:10 |
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| ryukafalz | faenil: Will the Glacier UI end up in upstream Mer then as well? | 16:43 |
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| ryukafalz | or will that be a layer on top like the Sailfish UI is today? | 16:44 |
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| SK_work | ryukafalz: second option imo | 16:45 |
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| miaVaan | HeWWou! | 16:55 |
| miaVaan | When is the next update coming? | 16:55 |
| miaVaan | :) | 16:55 |
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| Acce | miaVaan: when it's ready, I hear :) so not this week, probably | 16:58 |
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| miaVaan | Acce: what was last updates date? i forgot it | 16:58 |
| Acce | I forgot it too, some friday in april | 16:59 |
| miaVaan | OkeyPokey | 16:59 |
| Acce | it was 11.4. it seems | 17:00 |
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| miaVaan | i have to now check from together.jolla.com. what people wanted/voted next to be fixed or added :) i so like this sailfish project :D | 17:02 |
| miaVaan | it would be good if that landscape mode would work also other side too. Now only left side works :/ | 17:03 |
| gexc | /var/tmp gets full again... | 17:03 |
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| gexc | when running 'pkcon refresh' | 17:04 |
| gexc | sometimes when compiling | 17:05 |
| Acce | miaVaan: this might give you some hint about what they are working on, however, as it says, it's not promises: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html | 17:06 |
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| miaVaan | thank you :) | 17:10 |
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| Sail0r | 5 black screens in a row -.- | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | did you contact care? | 17:54 |
| Sail0r | currently writing the mail hoped that uninstalling last installed apps help | 17:57 |
| Sail0r | care@jolla.com? | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 18:00 |
| Sail0r | attach journal? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | black screens as in, device shuts off, or which | 18:02 |
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| Sail0r | blackscreen as in surfing ... boom blackscreen ... can turn it on with power button | 18:03 |
| Sail0r | I see no normal shutdown screen | 18:03 |
| Sail0r | just off | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:03 |
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| mikma | sail0r: put a piece of folded paper between the battery and the case so that the battery is forced up to the connectors | 18:23 |
| Sail0r | tested that and it had no effect | 18:25 |
| mikma | thicker paper then | 18:25 |
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| Sail0r | ok | 18:26 |
| mikma | businesscard paper did the trick for me so far | 18:26 |
| Sail0r | ok I try that | 18:31 |
| Sail0r | thx | 18:31 |
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| rZr | hi | 19:37 |
| * rZr http://rzr.online.fr/q/jolla#hardware# watch how I take care of my #Jolla phone in its brand new pouch and ToucH pen , I'll still keep #meego #n9 #n950club | 19:37 | |
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| Goldfrapper | hi, is there any time frame for the upcoming Sailfish update? | 20:16 |
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| Aard | "soon" or "when it's done". choose one :) | 20:17 |
| Goldfrapper | :-) | 20:17 |
| rZr | when it will best ... like wine | 20:17 |
| Aard | we are getting closer | 20:18 |
| rZr | or debian | 20:18 |
| Yaniel | when is debian supposed to be best? | 20:18 |
| * Yaniel must have missed that part | 20:18 | |
| rZr | when it's released :) | 20:18 |
| Goldfrapper | once every decade | 20:19 |
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| rZr | http://biermeer.nl/grolsch-debian-open.gif | 20:19 |
| Yaniel | no I have missed the part where outdated == best | 20:20 |
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| Goldfrapper | stable == best in case of bussiness I guess | 20:20 |
| Goldfrapper | even if outdated | 20:21 |
| rZr | best = no RC bug ... | 20:21 |
| rZr | anyway we're feeding the trolls | 20:22 |
| rZr | what distro are you using ? | 20:22 |
| rZr | i consider to install arch someday... | 20:22 |
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| Nicd- | I haven't seen any trolls | 20:22 |
| * Aard is nowadays using opensuse | 20:23 | |
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| Nicd- | I run arch linux because I like bleeding edge | 20:23 |
| Aard | I love the obs, I curse that they don't have git packaging support there | 20:23 |
| Goldfrapper | I run arch since 2005 because its plain simple | 20:23 |
| Yaniel | same here with arch | 20:23 |
| Goldfrapper | although systemd added some complexity | 20:24 |
| Aard | do they have manpages nowadays? :p | 20:25 |
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| Yaniel | who? | 20:35 |
| Aard | arch | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | sure | 20:35 |
| Aard | back in an old job we used to make fun of the colleagues using arch as they usually could'nt find documentation | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | also one of if not the best linux/unix wiki there is | 20:36 |
| Yaniel | unfortunately the same can't be said of the irc channel | 20:36 |
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| pdanek1 | Months pass by and Jolla is still the same very unknown phone with no more hype left on the internet. | 21:50 |
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| pdanek1 | Am I missing something, or it's really just phone for MeeGo fans? | 21:50 |
| AJAX555 | for meego fans? no, wouldn't say so | 21:51 |
| pdanek1 | In Europe, nobody uses or knows the phone. | 21:51 |
| pdanek1 | Except Finland. | 21:51 |
| pdanek1 | And geeks. | 21:51 |
| Aard | pdanek1: we're just slowly expanding outside of finland | 21:52 |
| pdanek1 | China -> I don't think Jolla has big chance there, I was there and once Chinese have some money, they go for "brand", local market won't give a shit about some Jolla | 21:53 |
| AJAX555 | jolla is for #unlike | 21:53 |
| pdanek1 | and "slowly expanding"... mobile market is too dynamic, when Jolla will finally expand everywhere, it will be already old and outdated phone, right? :O | 21:53 |
| pdanek1 | well #unlike = geeks | 21:53 |
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| pdanek1 | masses are not unlike, masses are very much like everyone else | 21:54 |
| Aard | well, you don't know what's part of the 'expanding' :p | 21:54 |
| pdanek1 | and that other half thing, doesn't really work so far | 21:54 |
| pdanek1 | from marketing point of view | 21:54 |
| pdanek1 | + nobody makes halves | 21:54 |
| Bawal | being boring and overly realistic, i don't think jolla will ever have a breakthrough to even get close iphone/wp sales, not to mention android | 21:54 |
| AJAX555 | pdanek1: how I see this, is sailfish, not jolla | 21:54 |
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| Bawal | i hope it would | 21:55 |
| Bawal | but i just don't see it | 21:55 |
| AJAX555 | iirc they dont even aim that high | 21:56 |
| pdanek1 | I mean, I'm happy Jolla user, but I was happier N900 user actually | 21:56 |
| AJAX555 | with jolla phone | 21:56 |
| pdanek1 | for people who loved N900 | 21:56 |
| pdanek1 | Jolla is little step back | 21:56 |
| Bawal | yeah, that would be probably overly optimistic anyways | 21:56 |
| pdanek1 | for people who didn't have N900 and who want fancy #unlike phone, don't give a shit about Jolla | 21:56 |
| Bawal | i mean, jolla is the best phone i've had and used in many ways | 21:56 |
| pdanek1 | Bawal: don't you find N900 better? | 21:57 |
| pdanek1 | for me N900 is still superior | 21:57 |
| Aard | pdanek1: I miss the n900 keyboard. other than that, no | 21:57 |
| Bawal | i think jolla is better | 21:57 |
| pdanek1 | display on N900 is great | 21:57 |
| pdanek1 | that hypersensitive, unbreakable resistive touch | 21:58 |
| pdanek1 | N900 was like tank for me, so many drops and didn't break | 21:58 |
| Bawal | i had a thing for hw keyboard too, but i'm getting used to a virtual one so it's not that bad | 21:59 |
| pdanek1 | + the landscape orientation of whole OS was just so so much better for me | 21:59 |
| Bawal | didn't like iphone/wp virtual kb at all | 21:59 |
| AJAX555 | sadly I never had N900 | 21:59 |
| Aard | pdanek1: we're slowly getting to proper landscape support everywhere | 22:00 |
| Aard | though I don't use it much, as the virtual keyboard is more annoying in landscape | 22:00 |
| pdanek1 | for proper PC experience, full-time landscape is a must | 22:01 |
| pdanek1 | else it's just a phone | 22:01 |
| pdanek1 | N900 wasn't a phone :) | 22:01 |
| Bawal | well, it's a phone | 22:01 |
| Yaniel | as I see it for now it is mostly about survival for Jolla | 22:02 |
| Yaniel | where being small is both an advantage and a hindrance | 22:03 |
| Bawal | i agree | 22:03 |
| pdanek1 | N900 was what Psion communicators were, great tool. | 22:03 |
| pdanek1 | Jolla is just fancy phone, which is fortuanetly for us, built on Linux and open technologies. | 22:03 |
| Yaniel | if they manage to get a stable (even if small) niche in the market one could argue that they have succeeded | 22:04 |
| Bawal | i think jollas chances are in east | 22:04 |
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| Bawal | if they can't get off there they're probably screwed | 22:04 |
| pdanek1 | people on eat are way too much brand-oriented | 22:04 |
| pdanek1 | east* | 22:05 |
| Bawal | hard to get a place amongst android/wp/iphone in west | 22:05 |
| pdanek1 | I don't think Jolla will survive on east | 22:05 |
| pdanek1 | people in Europe don't give a shit if they have iphone or xiaomi | 22:05 |
| pdanek1 | people in China do, a lot | 22:05 |
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| Bawal | oh lol. then i've got it all wrong | 22:05 |
| Bawal | i guess it's pretty much screwed then :| | 22:05 |
| Bawal | hope for the best | 22:06 |
| Yaniel | what I think Jolla needs is some bigger manufacturer to get interested in SailfishOS | 22:06 |
| pdanek1 | agree! | 22:06 |
| pdanek1 | but with ubuntu touch on the table | 22:06 |
| pdanek1 | ... | 22:07 |
| Bawal | something like lg? | 22:07 |
| AJAX555 | Yaniel: but aren't they doing that all the time? | 22:07 |
| Yaniel | I hope so | 22:07 |
| Yaniel | haven't been following the news much recently | 22:07 |
| AJAX555 | iirc they have installed sailfish on samsung tablet | 22:07 |
| Yaniel | and as for ubuntu touch... I still haven't heard of any actual product with that yet | 22:07 |
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| Yaniel | yes there have been demos running on nexus devices | 22:08 |
| Yaniel | I also don't think the whole its a phone-no now its a pc thing is that good of an idea | 22:08 |
| Yaniel | we tried netbooks already | 22:08 |
| pdanek1 | I imagine that SteamOS will get really popular in 2+ years | 22:08 |
| pdanek1 | + Ubuntu Touch will utilize that | 22:08 |
| Yaniel | they certainly have their uses but they are not *that* common | 22:08 |
| pdanek1 | + Android will slowly fade away.... very slowly though | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | I kind of doubt valve has much interest in mobile | 22:09 |
| pdanek1 | and Ubuntu Touch will grow | 22:09 |
| pdanek1 | Jolla will stay, but small | 22:09 |
| AJAX555 | interested in steamOS, haven't really been following it though | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | yes ubuntu touch might evolve into a replacement for android too | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | if canonical manages to not piss of people too much first, that is | 22:10 |
| Aard | pdanek1: you're forgetting the FUD in the industry related to gplv3, which probably is one big factor why it's so hard for them to find device manufacturers | 22:10 |
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| pdanek1 | hmm | 22:10 |
| Yaniel | ahh yes good ol GPL :D | 22:10 |
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| pdanek1 | or M$ will take over 99% of mobile OS market in 5 years | 22:11 |
| pdanek1 | and all mobile games will run on DirectX | 22:11 |
| pdanek1 | a dream! | 22:11 |
| pdanek1 | or nightmare> | 22:11 |
| pdanek1 | ? | 22:11 |
| AJAX555 | pdanek1: no, m$ will not take.. atleast will not take over me ;D | 22:11 |
| pdanek1 | you must believe! | 22:12 |
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| pdanek1 | and if they will take over | 22:12 |
| pdanek1 | Nokia will show them some tiny little line of text in m$/nokia contract | 22:12 |
| pdanek1 | and all m$ mobile will get back to Nokia | 22:12 |
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| Aard | pdanek1: one example, if you have a trustzone on your device because someone like facebook demands you protect the api keys. you allow the user to completely unlock the device, but he'll lose access to the trustzone keys. he can get the functionality back by adding his own developer keys, though. if you interpret the gplv3 very strictly that's a gplv3 violation | 22:13 |
| pdanek1 | and thousands of hidden nokia devs will come up from catacombs | 22:13 |
| pdanek1 | with meego version 14.5 | 22:13 |
| pdanek1 | which will blow away everyone | 22:13 |
| AJAX555 | that I would actually want to see | 22:13 |
| AJAX555 | lol | 22:13 |
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| pdanek1 | Aard: but the majority doesn't give a **** about gpl and mobile OS developers will do whatever necessary to get biggest app ecosystem | 22:16 |
| Aard | pdanek1: the companies doing mobile phones are very much aware of gplv3 issues | 22:16 |
| pdanek1 | hm | 22:17 |
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| Aard | in several countries there were successful trials about producs falling under gplv2, and the impact to go through that with a gplv3 device would be a lot worse for the company | 22:18 |
| Aard | for gplv2 you basically just dump some tarballs, and you're done. for a gplv3 device you must allow modifications on the device without the user losing functionality | 22:18 |
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| Aard | in reality if that happens it'd probably mean you recall the devices and destroy what you already made | 22:19 |
| Yaniel | that's indeed problematic | 22:19 |
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| Aard | and like I explained above, the situation is unclear enough that it _may_ be an issue for a company like us already who does not really try to restrict what the user can do, when it comes to 3rd party services | 22:20 |
| Yaniel | btw still nothing shows up from the sdcard | 22:23 |
| Aard | tracker-search and similar bits find the content? | 22:23 |
| Yaniel | nope | 22:23 |
| Yaniel | it does not even seem to scan it | 22:23 |
| Yaniel | the sdcard is mounted fine though | 22:23 |
| Aard | what happens if ou kick tracker to reindex it? | 22:24 |
| Yaniel | at least it is accessible via finegrterm and cargodock | 22:24 |
| Yaniel | nothing | 22:24 |
| Aard | iirc it should be possible to get tracker log verbose, but I don't know exactly how. next step would be making tracker talkative, and kick it again | 22:24 |
| pdanek1 | Is Jolla 2 really in development? | 22:28 |
| pdanek1 | Or just drawing table? | 22:28 |
| Aard | no comment | 22:28 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 22:28 |
| pdanek1 | that's fine | 22:28 |
| AJAX555 | I remember reading something small about jolla 2.. | 22:28 |
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| Yaniel | I take that as a yes | 22:29 |
| pdanek1 | as you may have noticed, I'm troll of IRC sometimes | 22:29 |
| AJAX555 | I think it still is in drawing tables.. d; | 22:29 |
| Yaniel | Aard: I did wade through journalctl at one point | 22:29 |
| Yaniel | and apparently the miner hung on one pdf file or something | 22:29 |
| Yaniel | but even after I removed that file it would not index the sdcard | 22:30 |
| Yaniel | I'll look into how to make it talk | 22:30 |
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| pdanek | http://oneplus.net/one | 22:49 |
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| pdanek | Does anyone use Jolla as everyday mp3 player? | 23:54 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: aye | 23:56 |
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