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| Nicd- | ooh: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jolla-Sim-Free-Smartphone-16GB/dp/B00HJA7A3Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400141930&sr=8-1&keywords=jolla+phone | 08:20 |
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| Sail0r | http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2JPKUSDTGGF08/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00HJA7A3Y&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=560798&store=electronics | 08:23 |
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| coderus | wow, thats more than 399 euros | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | VAT? | 09:15 |
| coderus | 399 euros already including VAT | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | wasn't it 330 gbp? | 09:16 |
| coderus | if i want to get VAT-free i'll go to finland and grab one from DNA with discount | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | oh, yeah, 330 gbp slightly > 399 eur | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | not jolla setting the prices in retailers, at least | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | well, that's the interesting thing | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | amazon says "sold by Jolla" | 09:18 |
| Waitee | verkkokauppa.com in finland sells at 389€ | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | is Jolla selling in amazon? :) | 09:18 |
| Waitee | apparently | 09:18 |
| coderus | but its a good start anyway | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | it's a marketplace, right? so it's about who reserves the "Jolla" name first | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | i'm morbidly curious if amazon.co.uk ships worldwide | 09:18 |
| * ggabriel testing | 09:19 | |
| ggabriel | (it does) | 09:19 |
| Waitee | gotta be a bit sceptical about jolla officially selling on amazon since afaik they havent told anyone about it publicly | 09:19 |
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| ggabriel | it doesn't send it worldwide (argentina) | 09:20 |
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| ggabriel | you can ask it too | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | but when you go to checkout it only filters your uk addresses | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | so don't worry sts :) | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 09:21 |
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| ggabriel | otoh, amazon's warranty is very cool | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | they pick it up from you for free and replace it with a brand new phone basically | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | then deal with jolla separately | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | but i think this one is marketplace anyway | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | it doesn't say, which is annoying | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | oh, no, i stand corrected | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | "dispatched from and sold by amazon" | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | so, if you aren't in finland, probably a really good opportunity | 09:32 |
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| Nicd- | hmmm, I just got a text and the phone vibrated but there was no sms sound | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | yet sounds are on | 10:03 |
| Niuran | maybe the sound asigned as tone is not reproducible | 10:07 |
| Nicd- | it's the default jolla tone | 10:08 |
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| Niuran | have you try with other tone? | 10:08 |
| Niuran | ah | 10:08 |
| Nicd- | and it has worked before (no settings have been changed in the meantime) | 10:08 |
| svuorela | maybe related, but occasionally I don't have any speaker sounds ... | 10:08 |
| Nicd- | hehe, now I got another text and heard the sound | 10:10 |
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| chem|st | Nicd-: the sounds sometimes get cut-off | 10:10 |
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| chem|st | you hear nothing - you hear a beep - you hear a partial - normal | 10:10 |
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| ccha2 | hello, is it possible to do conference call last version ? | 11:02 |
| flux | I'm pretty sure I've received calls without ever hearing them.. | 11:04 |
| flux | or then they've been super short | 11:05 |
| flux | on new year the phone went into mode where it could be called but it indicated exactly nothing. but that's four? releases ago, ancient history ;) | 11:05 |
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| louisdk | My friend has some problems with his Jolla. One of them is that he can't connect to 3G. | 11:13 |
| louisdk | We're in a good area, so it should work. Mine works fine. However we have different providers | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | 3g data, or 3g | 11:14 |
| louisdk | Mobile network aka 3G. Think it has something to do with apn settings - searching the wen for answers. | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | okay, let me rephrase | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | does '3G' show in the indicator | 11:17 |
| louisdk | Yes. And it has ~ 70% signal | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok, then it's an APN issue | 11:20 |
| louisdk | Okay thanks | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | tap-and-hold on the internet stuff | 11:20 |
| louisdk | I'm in there, but can't find mmc and mnc options | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | you don't really need those, just set apn name correct | 11:23 |
| louisdk | it works thx | 11:24 |
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| ballock | Anybody from England around? | 11:46 |
| sdjayna | 'fraid so | 11:46 |
| ballock | I'll be in Bristol and heading towards London around June 22nd | 11:48 |
| ballock | and was thinking if there's anything going around, like drinking beer with fellow Jolla buddies | 11:48 |
| ballock | or some FOSS events or so | 11:48 |
| ballock | otherwise I guess I might be hitchhiking back to Poland to avoid sitting around doing nothing | 11:49 |
| sdjayna | and there i was thinking you might have an apn issue ;) | 11:50 |
| ballock | am I going to? which network's at fault? | 11:51 |
| stephg | ballock o/ | 11:51 |
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| ggabriel | ballock: london here... nothing going on that i'm awaree of, can only offer beer :P | 12:01 |
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| ggabriel | ballock: also, if you're going to bristol, you may bump into sledges | 12:04 |
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| sledges | ballock: when do you arrive to Brizzle? | 12:14 |
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| ballock | I'm arriving on June 21st for a family event at my friend's | 12:23 |
| ballock | Then I'm free as a bird | 12:23 |
| ballock | as the flights back only get from London Stansted | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | i once flew from luton | 12:24 |
| ballock | I need to be travelling anyway | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | i don't recommend it | 12:24 |
| ballock | It's not that I have much choice, flights to Wrocław only depart from Stansted | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | ah, i flew to warsaw | 12:25 |
| sledges | cool, im around at that time; fancy a pint? :) | 12:26 |
| sledges | ballock: ^ | 12:26 |
| ballock | so I've got a choice of buses and variable amount of time in London | 12:26 |
| ballock | probably including whole night Sun/Mon | 12:26 |
| ballock | sledges: of course :) | 12:26 |
| ballock | If there's more people and reasons to party, I can even let myself depart on Tuesday | 12:27 |
| sledges | another mobile meetup in london hey hey hey :D | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | yeah, sadly can't party on a sunday/monday | 12:28 |
| sledges | ? | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | gotta pay the rent | 12:28 |
| sledges | there were ~20 people with 24hours notice last time :)) | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | but happy to attend meetups | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | yeah, ping cybette for that ;) | 12:29 |
| ballock | ggabriel: you've got one pint on me | 12:29 |
| ballock | sledges does too :) | 12:29 |
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| sledges | as in free beer :) | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | awesome | 12:38 |
| ggabriel | we'll end up drunk | 12:38 |
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| ggabriel | (need do avoid chicken palace this time round tho) | 12:39 |
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| vgrade_ | +1 london meet | 12:40 |
| ballock | sledges/ggabriel/vgrade_: Will you pick a good spot? | 12:41 |
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| ggabriel | ballock: you need to be close to liverpool st, right? | 12:42 |
| vgrade_ | ballock: I don't know the city | 12:42 |
| sledges | same here lol | 12:43 |
| ballock | I'll need to find something that'll get me to Stansted when the bar closes. | 12:43 |
| ballock | My flight departs at 8:30 | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | is that am on monday? | 12:44 |
| ballock | yes | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | not sure i'll find something that's open all night | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | i can suggest a pub by the river that's close-ish to liverpool st (there are buses/trains from there to stansted) | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | but it'll close circa 23 | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | on sunday | 12:45 |
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| sledges | there are pubs open till 2, but not doubtful on sunday evenings | 12:45 |
| sledges | -not | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | indeed | 12:45 |
| ballock | 23 is a little early, might be no night buses for stansted | 12:46 |
| ballock | and I feel more comfortable staying in zombie-mode on the airport than on the street | 12:46 |
| ggabriel | ballock: check nationalexpress.com | 12:49 |
| ggabriel | there's a 23.45, 00.20, 1.45 | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | maybe this url works and everything: http://coach.nationalexpress.com/nxbooking/journey-list?affiliate=yes&utm_campaign=affiliatewindow&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2FWWW.MANCHESTERAIRPORT.CO.UK&awc=2197_1400158135_96cf2631c607483e164c53690a90e8cd&partnerCode=NX&campaignCode=DEFAULT&from=&to=&departureStopId=&destinationStopId=54174&waiting=true&fromc=liverpool%20street&toc=Stansted%20Airport%20London&journeyType=single&departureDate=2 | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | and this is the pub I had in mind, close-ish to liverpool st, could get busy tho as it's by the river: http://www.foundersarms.co.uk/ | 12:51 |
| ballock | ok, sounds like a plan | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | from that pub, you walk to london bridge (10-15'), and there are buses/tubes to liverpool st station | 12:52 |
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| ggabriel | there are restaurants too, such as nando's, if you're up for relatively quick chicken (better than chicken palace from last time at least :P ) | 12:52 |
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| ggabriel | another option a bit more trendy is shoreditch | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | which is even closer to liverpool st station | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | but no river views | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | uhm... i remember a nice evening around that area actually on a sunday once upon a time :P | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | and there are a few clubs too, trouble is that you'll never make it to your flight | 12:55 |
| ballock | I'm not a tough-headed guy, but I am from Poland, I might have a little advantage ;) | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | ballock: trouble is if you're having too much fun | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | "what do you know, it's tuesday" | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | let's see how it goes | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | we can always strart @ founders and move around, berlin/stockholm/madrid style | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | warsaw too fwiw | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm so in for warsaw | 13:00 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: been here long? | 13:01 |
| * ggabriel was talking about the style only, altho warsaw could happen too | 13:01 | |
| Stskeeps | ballock: since 2009 | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | though i don't speak a lot of polish | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | jak sie masz? | 13:02 |
| ballock | I thought you're on sth like a contract here | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | naah | 13:02 |
| ballock | but 5 years sounds like you married to a polish girl ;) | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | i live here, i have a polish wife :) | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | we met while studying in .dk | 13:03 |
| ballock | bingo! | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | why else would anybody move here.. | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:03 |
| ballock | especially Warsaw | 13:03 |
| ballock | if only it wasn't burnt to ground during WW2 | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | nah, warsaw is nice | 13:04 |
| ballock | ggabriel: pubs, you mean? | 13:04 |
| ballock | those might be fine | 13:04 |
| ballock | especially price-wise | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | there are pros and cons | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't live there | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | but i wouldn't say it's a dump either | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | i live ~30 mins outside center, so it's fairly nice | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | better warsaw than my home city | 13:05 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: your wife's from Warsaw | 13:05 |
| ballock | ? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | new district | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: yeah | 13:05 |
| ballock | it's not Upper Silesia or Łódź | 13:05 |
| entil | argh, you guys talking about poland made the word "price-wise" parse as polish :D | 13:05 |
| ballock | it's not a dump | 13:05 |
| ballock | price-wise, I'd go for a beer in Czech or Slovakia | 13:08 |
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| ggabriel | warsaw is becoming expensive quickly | 13:08 |
| ballock | let's check it: Stskeeps how much's a beer in WAR? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | well | 13:09 |
| ballock | in a pub, I mean | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't recall, i don't go out that often | 13:10 |
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| ballock | ggabriel: I guess no way to check it then | 13:11 |
| ballock | the ground/rent prices are a different story | 13:11 |
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| ballock | sledges ggabriel vgrade_: what time do we start? | 13:13 |
| ballock | I think I'll be arriving on Sunday at 12:45, but that's a little early to start drinking till 11pm | 13:15 |
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| vgrade_ | ballock: I'm easy but will need to leave early to get back to up north | 13:18 |
| ballock | or we can have a hacking afternoon followed by a beer event? | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | true, ballock's doing porting work too | 13:20 |
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| vgrade_ | sounds good | 13:20 |
| ballock | that expands a bit the number of electronic devices i'll need to carry | 13:21 |
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| ballock | would use some power in the open, should I take a turbine to get electricity from Thames' flow? | 13:23 |
| ballock | :d | 13:23 |
| ballock | All set then, are we advertising the beer event? | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | ballock: i'm happy to start any time, 12.45->23.00 no problem :P | 13:29 |
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| ballock | awesome :) | 13:32 |
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| stephg | ggabriel, ballock which day are we talking here? | 14:16 |
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| ballock | stephg: Sunday, June 22nd | 14:21 |
| stephg | aha | 14:22 |
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| stephg | for those of you that haven't seen this yet, v. cool: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html | 14:54 |
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| ggabriel | cool indeed | 14:57 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | haa, insmat flipcase availble from jolla's own store | 16:04 |
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| gexc | when will spare batteries be available? | 16:20 |
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| Teme | what a load of **** | 16:24 |
| Teme | i don't know if that should be directed Jolla or Windows | 16:25 |
| Teme | device not getting recognized as mass storage when connected on USB :/ | 16:25 |
| Teme | used to work perfectly | 16:25 |
| Teme | or maybe i should connect it to USB port with data? carry on people... :D | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | it was only ever recognised as MTP | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | never usb mass storage | 16:28 |
| Teme | yeah, seems that way | 16:28 |
| Teme | somehow the ports on the front of my PC don't function the same way | 16:29 |
| Teme | Jolla asked for developer/PC connection/charging but nothing happend on windows | 16:29 |
| Teme | connected to the back ports -> device recognized | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | usb 3.0? | 16:30 |
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| Teme | no idea which ones are which | 16:30 |
| Teme | isn't usb 3.0 backwards compatible? | 16:30 |
| Teme | i assume Jolla supports 2 :P | 16:30 |
| Teme | i tried both on the front, but i have no idea how it's connected to the MB | 16:31 |
| Teme | there are blue and black ones in the front panel, can't see to the back | 16:32 |
| Teme | but i wonder if the MB even has 3.0 | 16:32 |
| netzvieh | Teme: sometimes USB 2.0 devices have problems with 3.0 ports. the blue ones are usually 3.0 | 16:32 |
| Teme | ok - in any case i tried both or 2.0 | 16:32 |
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| AJAX555 | Teme: just in case, you are not using xp are you? | 16:33 |
| Teme | win 7 | 16:33 |
| AJAX555 | k | 16:33 |
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| Teme | but there are power-only USB-ports, right? | 16:35 |
| Teme | leaves me a bit baffled what's the difference between the back and front ports.. | 16:35 |
| Teme | it started charging and asked for connection type on the front, too | 16:36 |
| Teme | but windows did not show it as MTP | 16:36 |
| netzvieh | Teme: power-only is possible, but won't make sense on the front | 16:36 |
| Teme | yeah, i guess so | 16:37 |
| netzvieh | Teme: well it's windows. I had so many problems with my USB ports ... sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. usually the device manager shows some error then | 16:38 |
| Teme | yeah, i'm definitely thinking it's some windows problem | 16:38 |
| Teme | but it works on the back which is good enough for now :D | 16:38 |
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| FireFly | Aaah | 16:53 |
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| FireFly | Rapidly flashing green LED | 16:53 |
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| FireFly | Hmm | 16:54 |
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| Gordon` | hi | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | hello hello | 18:36 |
| Gordon` | I’m experiencing lots of unexpected reboots since a few days | 18:36 |
| Anz_ | Gordon`: see if battery is pressing to the contacts firmly | 18:37 |
| flanag | Anz_: you can't really see that with your eyes | 18:38 |
| flanag | it feels and looks tight | 18:38 |
| flanag | but it isn't | 18:38 |
| Gordon` | i don’t think it’s a battery problem | 18:39 |
| flanag | so Gordon`, just stick some paper under the bottom of the battery, it most likely helps | 18:39 |
| flanag | yes it is | 18:39 |
| Gordon` | it appears to be related to SIM card | 18:39 |
| flanag | ? | 18:39 |
| flanag | that's what I thought earlier | 18:39 |
| flanag | (because the reboots happened often when I was using mobile data etc.) | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't mean anything, just means that you use more power | 18:39 |
| flanag | yes | 18:40 |
| flanag | I think Gordon` has the "loose" battery problem | 18:40 |
| flanag | I don't think anything SIM related has caused any reboots (at least I haven't seen) | 18:40 |
| flanag | so just try the paper trick, Gordon`, I'm sure it helps | 18:41 |
| Gordon` | flanag: when the reboots happen, when I don’t enter my PIN code, the device stays on, but as soon as I activate it, it crashes | 18:41 |
| Gordon` | flanag: I’ll try that | 18:41 |
| Anz_ | flanag: 'see' as in ensure :) | 18:41 |
| flanag | Gordon`, I had exactly the same experiences | 18:41 |
| flanag | (when booting and not entering PIN --> stable) | 18:41 |
| Gordon` | I’ve been having it before the 2 last upgrades | 18:42 |
| flanag | but it's because that draws a lot of power | 18:42 |
| Gordon` | but it seemed to be more stable | 18:42 |
| flanag | it's just random | 18:42 |
| flanag | and the battery can get looser etc. | 18:42 |
| flanag | I'm fairly sure that _all_ the reboots/shutdowns are caused by the battery being loose | 18:42 |
| Gordon` | hmmm | 18:43 |
| flanag | your experiences are very similar to mine and after I did the trick, mine has been 100% stable for a month now | 18:43 |
| Gordon` | I pulled off my OH, and no more reboots (since 3 minutes :p ) | 18:43 |
| flanag | I saw that too | 18:43 |
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| Bawal | could be, since the software is pretty much the same. some don't have the shutdown probs at all while some are experiencing that all the time despite the software updating | 18:44 |
| flanag | yeah | 18:45 |
| Bawal | feels like it _could_ be just some inconsistencies in hardware build, i.e. battery fit and contact | 18:45 |
| Bawal | which considering is a possibility considering it's not quite the a+ class hw | 18:45 |
| Anz_ | is this hardware issue already identified to be related to a specific batch of phone/batteries | 18:45 |
| Bawal | - the other considering | 18:45 |
| Bawal | anyways | 18:45 |
| flanag | Anz_: Jolla hasn't announced anything regarding that | 18:45 |
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| coderus | today i played king oddball, screen became buggy and low responsive, and then phone rebooted | 18:47 |
| flanag | hmm | 18:47 |
| coderus | it wasnt hot or so | 18:48 |
| coderus | just software crash :) | 18:48 |
| flanag | I wonder what's the cause of all the lipstick crashes (blinking led) people are having | 18:48 |
| flanag | I have never seen one | 18:48 |
| flanag | but some people see loads | 18:48 |
| coderus | me too | 18:49 |
| coderus | lipstck is main system manager/window manager | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | blinking red but it comes back up, with apps still there? | 18:49 |
| flanag | yes | 18:49 |
| coderus | any serious window bug caused lipstick restart | 18:49 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: what are you exactly asking about? | 18:49 |
| flanag | I was just stating the fact | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | as a general warning to anybody doing, make sure you don't use too many blocking dbus calls. | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | always use async if you can | 18:50 |
| flanag | any sign of the update 6 btw? :P I looking forward to getting it this Friday | 18:51 |
| flanag | *I'm | 18:51 |
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| Bawal | not blaming or waving fingers, but those of you who have had more serious problems, how much have u tweaked the device in a way a "normal phone user" does not | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | https://twitter.com/zzste/status/467010532521041920 | 18:52 |
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| Bawal | kinda interested in statistics more, and if the phone is actually suitable for a "normal user" or are the probs more widespread/random | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: | 18:52 |
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| flanag | Stskeeps: ah, thanks for the heads up | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | Bawal: well, my wife uses a jolla without reboot, shutdown issues and lockups as of latest update | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | maybe she's just lucky | 18:54 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: so do I (after the paper fix) | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | i have a ton of funny problems but i run our development branch ;) | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | so i kinda ask for the pre-QA experience | 18:54 |
| flanag | I don't know if it's the improvements with connectivity stack or what but my reception has been massively better nowadays | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: maybe battery is able to deliver more oomph? | 18:55 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: I thought about that too | 18:55 |
| flanag | as it seems to be so much better than before | 18:55 |
| flanag | never drops to 2G | 18:55 |
| flanag | before it dropped very often | 18:55 |
| * Stskeeps boots up the nexus 4 | 18:56 | |
| Bawal | i also use the device pretty much in a way normal user would, and while i've had some problems i think only one's been something i'd call critical | 18:56 |
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| Bawal | a few friends haven't had anything to complain | 18:56 |
| flanag | and I have nice 3G reception in one specific place where I had no reception at all with another phone | 18:56 |
| flanag | so I'm very happy with that now | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | my worst signal strength issue was the n950 | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | it started being a problem when wife was pregnant and i was out of range | 18:57 |
| Bawal | :S | 18:57 |
| flanag | yeah, I can imagine | 18:57 |
| Anz_ | i dont see any blinking LEDs. just the apps becoming non responsive for a moment and asking whether to wait or close? | 18:58 |
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| Bawal | the only app atm i'm having problems is actually the settings | 18:58 |
| mikma | stskeeps: that's something you propably say and blame the hardware. ;) | 18:58 |
| mikma | stskeeps: "I want fresh strawberries!" 'but sweetie, it's winter' .. "NOW!" | 18:59 |
| flanag | Anz_: I have only seen that with LLs vPlayer | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | settings does a lot of calls to a lot of daemons :P | 19:02 |
| mikma | stskeeps: also, thumbs up for the wifi hotspot -feature in jolla. absolutely best i have seen yet | 19:02 |
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| Pnuu | I guess it still drains power even when turned off? | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | mikma: it was actually found by somebody in here, i think | 19:03 |
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| Froberg | hello my fellow sailers.. anyone experience reports of poor voice quality during phone calls? I get reports that my voice becomes far-off and "tinny" sounding.. from multiple sources. :-/ | 21:43 |
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