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| Pnuu | http://xkcd.com/1367/ | 05:35 |
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| mikma | so. my jolla keeps on shutdowning. but i saw a message "device hot. shut down softwares" | 07:03 |
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| Stskeeps | hmmm /var/log/systemboot.lgo ? | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | log | 07:06 |
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| Mnsu_ | my jolla has become almost unbearable to use with its constant rebooting/shutting down over the last couple of days :( | 07:10 |
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| TemeV | Mnsu_: have you tried the paper trick? | 07:12 |
| Quu | 14d uptime after paper-inputting \o/ | 07:12 |
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| Quu | longest i have seen so far | 07:12 |
| Mnsu_ | not yet, I was supposed to put a folded piece of paper under the battery right? | 07:12 |
| Quu | not under | 07:12 |
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| TemeV | it would be "under the battery" when the phone is vertical :) | 07:14 |
| TemeV | but it should be put to the opposite side of the contacts | 07:14 |
| TemeV | to make the contact between phone and battery better | 07:15 |
| Jope | between the battery and the bottom edge of the battery compartment, next to the finger cutout | 07:15 |
| Jope | basically opposite to the battery contacts | 07:15 |
| juiceme | my jolla also had one spontaneous rebot last week, on friday afternoon. Pretty annoying, as that again blew my uptime of just 2 weeks.... I am starting to think it is customary for Jolla to reboot every 14 days or so 8( | 07:16 |
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| Mnsu_ | let's see if the paper thing helps some | 07:23 |
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| FireFly | Aww | 08:36 |
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| FireFly | % ssh jolla uptime | 08:36 |
| FireFly | 10:36:18 up 6 days, | 08:36 |
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| Aard | juiceme: our internal uptime record is 15 days. you're not going to break that one! :p | 08:41 |
| Quu | lol | 08:42 |
| juiceme | Aard, that is so cruel! | 08:43 |
| Raim | uhm, I rebooted yesterday after about 14 days uptime... | 08:43 |
| juiceme | and I did better than that, was on some previoius release.... | 08:43 |
| SK_work | pff, a Jolla without sim-card and fully charged can last much more than 15 days | 08:43 |
| Raim | I could not get wifi to work anymore, I even tried reloading the kernel module. reboot was the easiest and fastet solution... | 08:44 |
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| Scelt | that's irritating | 08:45 |
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| Scelt | I have an uptime of 10 days and I'm having problems with wifi | 08:46 |
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| Scelt | dunno if wifi hw is crappy or software but all the other machines (pc, samsung tablet, nexus 5) around it are doing fine with wifi | 08:47 |
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| FireFly | Aard: what, really? :p | 08:51 |
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| FireFly | I had 29 days between getting the phone in December and the first update in January, IIRC | 08:51 |
| FireFly | between two of the early updates, anyway.. | 08:52 |
| FireFly | then during spring I started getting them pesky spontaneous reboots :p | 08:52 |
| Nicd- | my record is 13 days | 08:52 |
| Aard | FireFly: I don't really have any idea. I now and then forget one of my phones for a week or so when I don't need all of them, but generally uptime on our phones is probably pretty low due to fast development speed | 08:53 |
| FireFly | Makes sense | 08:54 |
| FireFly | "one of my phones" | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | all your phone are belong to Aard | 08:54 |
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| Aard | FireFly: I'm doing releases, so I have to be able to verify stuff on different configurations (or break it) -> I have 5 jollas here, plus some other phones | 08:56 |
| FireFly | Ah | 08:56 |
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| SK_work | + some other phones ... | 08:58 |
| SK_work | haha | 08:58 |
| SK_work | :P | 08:58 |
| ottulonen | hm.. I also had connection issues and various other problems last week after 10+ days of uptime | 08:59 |
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| ottulonen | reboot fixed them for now | 08:59 |
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| SK_work | Aard: oooh jesus | 09:01 |
| SK_work | the Leo | 09:01 |
| Aard | exactly :) | 09:01 |
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| mikma | stskeeps: cant copypaste but it says that device (hw_battery) overheated (79C) | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | did it feel hot | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | Sage-_: ^ | 09:28 |
| mikma | stskeeps: negative. just pulled it out from pocket and started using it | 09:29 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:37 |
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| bjorn | Aard: Btw, do you also notice that there is quite a big delay for unlocking? | 10:55 |
| bjorn | Aard: When I unlock with the button, usually my first swipe fails because the screen wasn't enabled yet. | 10:55 |
| bjorn | In contrast locking feels almost instant. | 10:56 |
| bjorn | Well, locking simply feels instant. | 10:56 |
| Aard | bjorn: I didn't notice it before. if I try with two fingers I can see it, though | 10:56 |
| Aard | I usually unlock by double tappyng | 10:57 |
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| bjorn | I'm unlocking with thumb and then trying to scroll with the same thumb. | 10:57 |
| bjorn | I have to remember to wait, otherwise it doens't work. | 10:57 |
| Teme | yeah, can't reproduce with one hand :D | 10:57 |
| bjorn | Yeah, I usually prefer double-tapping as well, but even that could be more responsive I guess. | 10:57 |
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| Teme | i'm getting the same delay (first swipe fail) from both button and double-tap | 10:59 |
| bjorn | Yeah, the delay is the same. I guess I had just grown used to waiting after the double-tap, and only really noticed it again when I used the button. | 11:00 |
| Teme | but i can't be sure if i start to swipe before the screen show anything yet | 11:00 |
| Teme | if i start a swipe before screen turns on, it's dismissed | 11:00 |
| Teme | i mean start swiping around the screen, press button -> nothing happens until you replace finger | 11:00 |
| Teme | when i'm sure that it's on an land finger, gesture is registered... but there's a 400ms delay between screen actually turning on and brain getting the signal ;) | 11:02 |
| Teme | maybe your brain is faster - but from this small experiment i'm pretty sure you start swiping before the screen is actually on and that's why the swipe fails | 11:02 |
| bjorn | Yeah, it's hard to hit it at the same moment, but it doesn't really matter. Point is it's something that could use optimization. :) | 11:03 |
| Teme | i have no idea if that "swipe started when screen is on is not registered unless finger is released" is a bug or feature :) | 11:03 |
| Teme | when screen is off* | 11:04 |
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| bjorn | Teme: Well, I don't expect to be able to interact with things I can't see, so I can't see it being a bug. | 11:07 |
| Yaniel | any news on tracker? | 11:07 |
| Yaniel | and sd cards | 11:07 |
| Teme | bjorn: but it could be functioning so that when the screen turns on, it starts registering the input even if you have landed a finger before screen was turned on.. | 11:09 |
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| Sage-_ | mikma: that is sw thing that is fixed in next update. (cc: Stskeeps) | 11:11 |
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| bjorn | Teme: Hmm, true. That could be helpful in mitigating the effect of the delay, especially when it's hard to reduce this time. Still, suppose there would be some button, would you expect your release to trigger a click when you pressed down while your screen was still black? | 11:17 |
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| Teme | if i were designing such a feature, the input would start be registered from the moment the screen has been on | 11:19 |
| Teme | i mean now if you had your finger down when you pressed the button, no matter where you swipe or what you do it does absolutely nada unless you release the finger | 11:20 |
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| Teme | to answer your question - no i would not expect it to be registered if screen was black | 11:20 |
| Teme | i dunno if these types of timings require compensation for the time it takes for brain to register it... it's around 400-500 ms at the minimum | 11:21 |
| Teme | but i'm hoping someone knows ;) | 11:21 |
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| Yaniel | guise, I dont like this | 11:50 |
| Yaniel | sudden shutdown, reboot, enable sim card -> sudden shutdown | 11:50 |
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| the_mgt | Yaniel: experiencing the same | 12:03 |
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| the_mgt | batery capacity showing as 4% before reboot? than suddently it is at 50+ after reboot? | 12:03 |
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| Mnsu_ | the_mgt: one day I had it show 4% for the whole day, before I rebooted :) | 12:05 |
| Mnsu_ | it is a bit sad that jolla is still full of bugs like these, if these are even completely software issues | 12:07 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. I got my Jolla today. \o/ | 12:23 |
| Jope | yay | 12:24 |
| Nicd- | woooo | 12:24 |
| PaulePanter | Since two hours It is still saying it is downloading the update. I have 1.0.2.5 and the upgrade is for 1.0.5.19. | 12:24 |
| PaulePanter | Is that normal. There is unfortunately no download progress bar. | 12:24 |
| PaulePanter | ? | 12:24 |
| Nicd- | the progress bar is the image on the top | 12:25 |
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| PaulePanter | In the middle there is that spinning circle. | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | it will light up from left to right | 12:25 |
| Teme | quite cool, but not very intuitive at first :) | 12:25 |
| PaulePanter | Then it has not even started for som reason. | 12:25 |
| PaulePanter | *some | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | reboot and try again | 12:26 |
| Teme | if you're downloading a 300MB uodate over 3G... i was fazed by it the first time around | 12:26 |
| PaulePanter | Ok. | 12:26 |
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| Nicd- | Teme: 2 hours is a long time though | 12:26 |
| Teme | agreed | 12:26 |
| PaulePanter | Teme: It is DSL and should be reasonably fast. But from what the other said, there is no progress bar yet, so some other problem. | 12:27 |
| PaulePanter | I’ll reboot. | 12:27 |
| PaulePanter | (Though the instructions of course say not to. ;-)) | 12:27 |
| Nicd- | does it matter during download phase? | 12:28 |
| Teme | instructions are for the scrubs.. power users do what they will >:D | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | I would think not... | 12:28 |
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| the_mgt | Mnsu_: just started two weeks ago, the last hotfix update they released seems to be about the time when it started happening | 12:40 |
| the_mgt | worked like a charm before. right now i experience incoming phone calls I can not answer, because the touchscreen wont react. or because they are not even displayed, but the phine rings | 12:40 |
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| PaulePanter | For whatever reason it does *not* want to download the update. | 12:44 |
| PaulePanter | Internet works fine. I am able to open Web sites and so on. | 12:45 |
| PaulePanter | How can I check where the 1.0.5.19 update file is located? | 12:46 |
| PaulePanter | No it works. After the fifth try. | 12:46 |
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| PaulePanter | So either the Jolla does not like the WLAN I am in or the Jolla infrastructure is currently unreliable. | 12:48 |
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| Yaniel | the_mgt: no, about 70% before and 50% after | 13:15 |
| Yaniel | updating via wlan was a bit flaky at some point IIRC | 13:16 |
| Yaniel | I downloaded the first update over 3G too | 13:16 |
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| PaulePanter | Installing the email app, configuring and saving the email account and then no account is shown in the list. :( | 13:18 |
| PaulePanter | The first impression with the Nokia N9 was a lot better unfortunately. | 13:19 |
| PaulePanter | Of course the N9t was more expensive, but I’d happily pay 200 € more instead of wasting time. | 13:20 |
| VDVsx | PaulePanter, is the account shown in the accounts list ? | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | on latest version of sailfishos? | 13:21 |
| VDVsx | and enabled there | 13:21 |
| PaulePanter | Stskeeps: Yes. Just upgrade to 1.0.5.19 before installing the email app. | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | PaulePanter: VDVsx's one of the e-mail authors, fwiw - if you can answer his questions that'd help | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | so we can figure out what's going on | 13:22 |
| PaulePanter | VDVsx: Yes. It is shown in the accounts list. | 13:22 |
| VDVsx | PaulePanter, if you go inside do you see your settings ? | 13:23 |
| PaulePanter | I guess the description of the option »Apps erlauben, E-Mails über dein E-Mail allgmein-Konto zu versenden und zu erhalten.« confused me. | 13:23 |
| PaulePanter | VDVsx: Yes. | 13:23 |
| PaulePanter | So I have to allow the email to use the account? | 13:23 |
| VDVsx | PaulePanter, humm, so what email shows in email app then ? | 13:24 |
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| PaulePanter | It is confusing as I created the account from within the email menu and then I am supposed to allow it to use the account I just created. | 13:24 |
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| VDVsx | PaulePanter, you don't need to allow anything | 13:24 |
| PaulePanter | VDVsx: Well, it was enabled by default. | 13:25 |
| VDVsx | unless you disable the account by mistake it should show in email app | 13:25 |
| PaulePanter | VDVsx: I enabled the button next to E-Mail in the account settings and now it shows up. | 13:25 |
| PaulePanter | I’ll send a report to improve the German description. | 13:26 |
| VDVsx | ok :) | 13:26 |
| PaulePanter | VDVsx: The From input field in the application, the keyboard does not have the @ character on the first keyboard layer which is annoying. | 13:27 |
| mikma | stskeeps: aaand here you go, complete systemboot.log from the moment i got the phone back from "repair" - http://pastebin.com/a4TKB8K4 | 13:28 |
| VDVsx | PaulePanter, yup, known issue, will be fixed | 13:28 |
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| TMavica | juiceme here!? | 13:29 |
| PaulePanter | VDVsx: Thanks! | 13:29 |
| mikma | stskeeps: notice the 6(?) reboots i've had today | 13:29 |
| TMavica | i got your TOH half from you already! Thanks | 13:29 |
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| Quu | toh half | 13:35 |
| Quu | half of the other half? | 13:36 |
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| TMavica | lol.. | 13:53 |
| flux | TOQ | 13:53 |
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| coderus | TMavica: which models? | 14:03 |
| TMavica | aloe and black.. | 14:05 |
| TMavica | juiceme send it to me | 14:06 |
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| coderus | :) | 14:08 |
| coderus | juiceme: need to ask jolla team to unregister toh's and register to your device | 14:08 |
| coderus | or it new ones? | 14:08 |
| TMavica | new one sure | 14:10 |
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| TMavica | he buy it from DNA shop and send me | 14:10 |
| coderus | ah, good then :) | 14:11 |
| coderus | i just thought he sent own ones | 14:11 |
| TMavica | lol | 14:11 |
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| TMavica | rpm? | 14:11 |
| TMavica | lol | 14:11 |
| coderus | no, i saw yout tweet :) | 14:12 |
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| TMavica | hope 20/5 have Jolla sale, then no need disturb him | 14:13 |
| flux | ToHs need to be unregistered to be moved to another device? | 14:16 |
| Nicd- | the ones with NFC | 14:16 |
| flux | so, all of them? | 14:16 |
| Nicd- | and jolla will probably refuse to do it without a good reason I would guess (too many requests otherwise) | 14:16 |
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| ggabriel | flux: no, they don't need to be unregistered unless the other device is yours, or in other words: you use the same jolla account | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | s/unless/if/ :P | 14:18 |
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| javispedro | hmhm | 14:49 |
| javispedro | so the BLE-WLAN is worse on this device =) | 14:49 |
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| flux | ggabriel, what a nice way to discourage resale of ToHs :-P | 14:50 |
| flanag | it seems that Jolla is claiming that the reboot problems can be fixed by a software update: "These are false alarms and there is a fix for them in the next OS update (update 6)" | 14:50 |
| flanag | any info on this? | 14:50 |
| flanag | oh | 14:50 |
| flanag | and the source: http://www.jollatides.com/forums/discussion/173/intermittent-shutdownreboot-issues-solution | 14:50 |
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| ggabriel | flux: well, yeah, well known tho | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | javispedro: worse than what? | 14:51 |
| javispedro | than my previous one | 14:52 |
| javispedro | but it was a false alarm too, it's exactly the same | 14:52 |
| javispedro | I'm just getting more noise on dmesg, but doesn't seem interesting. | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | oh, you mean 2 jollas | 14:52 |
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| RST38h | EHLO kavispedro | 14:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro, sorry | 14:53 |
| javispedro | hello RST38h | 14:53 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: it's probably nothing, but now I get this ( http://depot.javispedro.com/jolla/ble/wlan-ble-dmesg.txt ) while trying to connect to BLE stuff | 14:56 |
| javispedro | (WLAN still goes down) | 14:56 |
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| * tango_ wants skype (chat, at least) on the jolla | 15:17 | |
| tango_ | come on, we had it on the N900 | 15:17 |
| bjorn | toartist: Hmm, well I have the Android Skype app installed... | 15:18 |
| tango_ | bjorn: oh god not that pleast | 15:18 |
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| tango_ | it's so frigging heavy | 15:18 |
| bjorn | In the last update they wrote that they made big battery usage improvements and that it can now be left on. | 15:18 |
| bjorn | But well, it's never light-weight enough on mobile. | 15:19 |
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| gexc | android skype app eats cpu sometimes | 15:21 |
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| gexc | even at the background | 15:21 |
| * gexc uninstalled skype | 15:22 | |
| tango_ | yeah, I'd rather have something integrated with the presence stuff | 15:22 |
| tango_ | telepathy or whatever it's called | 15:22 |
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| Kiranos | why did jollahq stop using its twitter account? | 15:23 |
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| javispedro | tango_: MS killed SkypeKit so it will never happen now :( | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | Kiranos: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/with_replies | 15:25 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: do you know anything about this? <flanag> it seems that Jolla is claiming that the reboot problems can be fixed by a software update: "These are false alarms and there is a fix for them in the next OS update (update 6)" | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: i don't have any official opinions on this topic, sorry | 15:26 |
| javispedro | flanag: the source of that assertion seems to be: http://www.jollatides.com/forums/discussion/173/intermittent-shutdownreboot-issues-solution | 15:27 |
| flanag | javispedro: yeah, I think I posted that earlier | 15:27 |
| flanag | (the source) | 15:27 |
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| Kiranos | Stskeeps: thanks! that new? | 15:27 |
| flanag | my Jolla is working beatifully with the piece of paper in there but I'm just asking out of interest :) | 15:28 |
| flanag | *beautifully | 15:28 |
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| javispedro | they did put a piece of rubber on my device | 15:30 |
| gexc | lol | 15:30 |
| javispedro | but tbh I never got any reboot even after intentionally shaking it heavily | 15:30 |
| flanag | shaking never really caused it | 15:31 |
| javispedro | then no idea how a rubberpiece or paper would fix it. | 15:31 |
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| mikma | it's just ease of mind. people think it's fixed eventho it's not | 15:33 |
| flanag | mikma: you are wrong | 15:33 |
| flanag | Jolla has already confirmed the problem.. | 15:33 |
| flanag | it's impedance | 15:33 |
| mikma | link to the official confirmation post? | 15:34 |
| flanag | I'll get a link for you | 15:34 |
| flanag | I had it stored | 15:34 |
| flanag | it's a bit long: | 15:35 |
| flanag | "Take a piece of paper, fold it so that it becomes 0.5-1 millimeters thick. Then insert this folded paper between the bottom part of the battery and the phone body. The idea is to press the battery tightly upwards against the battery contacts of the phone body (see the attached picture). | 15:35 |
| flanag | We have measured that if the contact of the battery to the phone body is loose (although it does not seem to be loose), then the impedance over this connection is higher and can cause a voltage drop in some current peak situations, making the phone eventually turn off as the voltage drops momentarily under the allowed minimum level. Then use your phone normally (with mobile data) in those same conditions where your phone usually | 15:35 |
| flanag | reboots. Observe if the reboots continue or not. Thanks a lot!" | 15:35 |
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| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10516/?sort=votes&page=2#sort-top | 15:35 |
| flanag | the important part: "..the impedance over this connection is higher and can cause a voltage drop in some current peak situations, making the phone eventually turn off as the voltage drops momentarily under the allowed minimum level." | 15:35 |
| mikma | to me that's not official confirmation :I | 15:36 |
| flanag | well, it's from Jolla Care | 15:36 |
| mikma | it's just one email a user has forwarded | 15:36 |
| kimmoli_sailing | cheap china contacts? low spring tension? | 15:36 |
| javispedro | then a thorough shaking would reveal the problem :) | 15:37 |
| mikma | been there, shaked that. has not shutdown | 15:37 |
| flanag | javispedro: nooo, not really | 15:37 |
| mikma | i've been even moving the battery from side to side and nothing | 15:37 |
| kimmoli_sailing | fritting corrosion? | 15:37 |
| flanag | read the damn text | 15:37 |
| flanag | and understand what it says | 15:37 |
| flanag | mikma | 15:38 |
| mikma | i did, flanag | 15:38 |
| PeperJohnny | Well you would need to have a high cpu load too trigger it | 15:38 |
| flanag | PeperJohnny: exactly | 15:38 |
| PeperJohnny | to' | 15:38 |
| javispedro | if it's corrosion, then a paper would do little to help. | 15:38 |
| mikma | the normal situation when my phone turns off is when i open up settings | 15:38 |
| javispedro | if it's low spring force, then shaking would cause it. | 15:38 |
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| flanag | mikma: it seems random because it usually happens when the phone is actively trying to keep the connection to the mobile network, that consumes power | 15:39 |
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| chem|st | shacky devices need to be on their way home guys! my device does not shutdown when I turn on wlan/BT and am calling at the same time, I have no gum/plastic/paper under my battery and pressing my simcard-slot does nothing to my device either! | 15:39 |
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| flanag | mikma: if you don't have your SIM in, the Jolla would probably be quite stable | 15:39 |
| flanag | *if you didn't have | 15:39 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | add some contact lubrication.. | 15:41 |
| mikma | just because i think it's stupid to fold some papers and rubbers in there, i'm gonna wait for a real official solution from repair service | 15:41 |
| javispedro | chem|st: Jolla/Optima seems to be putting a piece of rubber in all devices, even if they didn't show any reboot problems | 15:41 |
| chem|st | since apr14 I have glitches in the UI only, no reboots no shutdowns nothing even the modem works like expected... | 15:41 |
| javispedro | chem|st: so there must be something | 15:41 |
| chem|st | javispedro: precautious | 15:41 |
| flanag | mikma: the official solution is the glued piece of rubber | 15:41 |
| javispedro | chem|st: I agree. | 15:41 |
| mikma | javispedro: i got my phone back from repair about 9 days ago and they didn't glue anything in there. they just upgraded the software (from latest to lower ;) | 15:41 |
| javispedro | chem|st: but still, must be something | 15:42 |
| chem|st | something wrong | 15:42 |
| flanag | it's a bit weird that they claim that they can fix it with a software update | 15:42 |
| flanag | maybe they can adjust the "safe values" so that the phone won't "panic" and shut down | 15:43 |
| javispedro | there may be a million issues whose symptom is "random reboots". | 15:43 |
| PeperJohnny | Maybe they'll lower the voltage? | 15:43 |
| javispedro | it's no surprise some of them may be fixed by a software upgrade. | 15:43 |
| chem|st | flanag: the shutdown is initialized not accidential | 15:43 |
| mikma | remove the shutdown from software, problem solved | 15:44 |
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| flanag | lol | 15:44 |
| chem|st | mikma: and your battery gone too | 15:44 |
| javispedro | next you hear, your battery explodes on a plane | 15:44 |
| mikma | wheeeeeee! | 15:44 |
| mikma | that would make about all jolla users terrorists | 15:44 |
| chem|st | if you do not shutdown at a proper time your battery may get damaged | 15:44 |
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| flanag | chem|st: are you refering to the fact that lithium ion batteries get damaged at too low charge? | 15:46 |
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| javispedro | meh, so it's been _only_ two months where I wasn't constantly checking whether upgrades broke MTP | 15:47 |
| javispedro | aaaaand yes, it's broken | 15:47 |
| javispedro | I am really, really depressed these days about the state of Linux desktops. | 15:47 |
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| javispedro | seems that gvfs is expected udev env var ID_MTP but my "systemd-udev" scripts are exporting ID_MTP_DEVICE | 15:49 |
| javispedro | *is expecting | 15:49 |
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| pahartik | chem|st: If shutdown is not controlled, solid-state block storage device may also end up in uncertain state | 15:52 |
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| chem|st | pahartik: it may damage other parts, not only ssds | 15:58 |
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| niuran | hi, waiting for update 6, it is comming soon, isn't it? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | there's always an upate coming | 18:04 |
| niuran | maybe in this week? | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, comes when it comes | 18:04 |
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| niuran | becose i have some problems with the update 5 | 18:05 |
| flanag | what problems? | 18:05 |
| niuran | the phone restarts in many different situations, and never done that before | 18:06 |
| niuran | for example, in the middle of a phone call | 18:06 |
| flanag | stick some paper under the bottom side of the battery.. | 18:06 |
| niuran | switching between data and wifi | 18:06 |
| flanag | official answer to the problem: | 18:06 |
| flanag | "Take a piece of paper, fold it so that it becomes 0.5-1 millimeters thick. Then insert this folded paper between the bottom part of the battery and the phone body. The idea is to press the battery tightly upwards against the battery contacts of the phone body (see the attached picture). We have measured that if the contact of the battery to the phone body is loose (although it does not seem to be loose), then the impedance ove | 18:06 |
| flanag | r this connection is higher and can cause a voltage drop in some current peak situations, making the phone eventually turn off as the voltage drops momentarily under the allowed minimum level. Then use your phone normally (with mobile data) in those same conditions where your phone usually Observe if the reboots continue or not. Thanks a lot!" | 18:06 |
| flanag | or alternatively you can get it fixed through warranty | 18:07 |
| niuran | i have read about that, i will test it, but why do that now and never before? | 18:07 |
| niuran | i will test it | 18:08 |
| flanag | weeeell, maybe the battery contacts got looser or something | 18:08 |
| flanag | it's so random | 18:08 |
| flanag | it's worth a try | 18:08 |
| niuran | yes, but i suspect it should be related with the strengh of the signal, or when it switchs between wi-fi and data | 18:09 |
| niuran | sometimes data get disconected | 18:10 |
| flanag | nah, I had similar problems and the reason was the battery connection ^ | 18:10 |
| niuran | and can not enable until the phone reboot | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | less strength -> more voltage pull | 18:10 |
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| niuran | ok, i will try the battery and the paper | 18:10 |
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| flanag | niuran: I could almost bet that if you do it correctly, you'll never see the problems again | 18:11 |
| niuran | i will test it and look if the issue is solved | 18:12 |
| Tegu | I just experienced some weird reboot/stuck. the LED started blinking quickly. I tried to open the screen, it worked, but then the swipes didin't register after a few secs. then the screen went black and the led started blinking red quickly. I tried to shut down but it the red light kept glowing (differently now). eventually the power went off. now it's on a table with the battery out, going to power it on soon | 18:12 |
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| niuran | in my case, the screen turns off and the phone restarts in about 15 seconds | 18:13 |
| niuran | or manually | 18:13 |
| niuran | by the way, hope to be able to buy another battery in jolla store | 18:14 |
| niuran | (when avaliable) | 18:14 |
| Tegu | yea, replaceable battery is pretty useless if it's not possible to buy one | 18:17 |
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| AlmAck | Tegu: same problem here, after the latest update. I hope that the update of May fix it. | 19:16 |
| Tegu | yup, it hasn't happened before the latest update (dunno if it has only been luck) | 19:17 |
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| Anden | hi, noticed a bug in the media player, dunno if it was reported before? | 19:23 |
| Anden | when listening to audio books encoded in mp3, 64kb/s mono 22khz, the timer that's supposed to show you how far you're into the file is frozen at 0:00 | 19:24 |
| Anden | and even worse, the audio skips every once in a while as if it the file was corrupted | 19:24 |
| Anden | i have narrowed down this bug to the media player because i downloaded an android media player and played the same file just fine on the jolla too | 19:25 |
| Anden | also if i play the file from the file browser the file skips the same way | 19:25 |
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| pdanek1 | Which GPS sport tracking apps do you use on Jolla? | 20:21 |
| pdanek1 | Like Endomondo etc. | 20:21 |
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| Quu | .. sports | 20:27 |
| Quu | but you need to go outside for that | 20:27 |
| Quu | eww | 20:27 |
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| pdanek1 | :D | 20:34 |
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