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| CraigA | anyone flying in to Canada anytime soon? | 03:13 |
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| CraigA | my jolla is nearly destroyed, I could use another. Will pay for services | 03:14 |
| Bu23 | China Piaoguo | 03:15 |
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| walokra | CraigA: to Toronto on mid-July | 05:06 |
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| CraigA | :o | 05:06 |
| CraigA | if you would be willing, I'd buy and ship to you and pay you for bringing it | 05:07 |
| walokra | isn't there easier way for you to get one? | 05:07 |
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| CraigA | walokra > ship to UK to a forwarding service, then pay them to ship it to me is really my only other option. chat later, way too late here | 05:46 |
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| walokra | CraigA: ok, the day just started here :) | 05:53 |
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| Sail0r | hm :-/ my jolla started to shutoff in some situations :-/ | 06:50 |
| Yaniel | welcome to the... umm.. whatever | 06:51 |
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| Sail0r | It does not even log smth | 06:52 |
| Sail0r | it just goes off if I pull the battery out | 06:52 |
| Sail0r | +as | 06:53 |
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| ln- | what does Optima Service do to cause that kind of sharp-edged scratch to the metal body: http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/kuvat/jolla_after.jpg | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, you can probably complain about that.. | 06:56 |
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| ln- | i did, to care@, and asked them to comment about it and propose a solution, but they haven't answered within almost a week. | 06:58 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | (this being my personal opinion) | 06:59 |
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| Nicd- | ln-: I have that but it's my own fault :P | 07:01 |
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| FireFly | Sail0r: tried the paper-pushing-the-battery trick? | 07:05 |
| ln- | Nicd-: how did you do it? | 07:05 |
| Nicd- | I don't know. I've dropped it a couple of times :/ | 07:05 |
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| Nicd- | those kind of marks appear over time on any device I have... | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | even my ipod with really round corners has them | 07:06 |
| FireFly | I've only gotten similar marks on the OH | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | but chicks dig scars, don't they? | 07:07 |
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| Nicd- | anyway, my devices are meant to be used so I don't mind scratches, they're inevitable | 07:07 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | but it sux when scratch screen on day one... | 07:10 |
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| TemeV | kimmoli_sailing: isn't it just good thing to get it done. After that you don't have to be careful anymore since it is already scratched :) | 07:25 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | :) | 07:26 |
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| walokra | yeah, when I got my HTC Sensation I dropped it to asphalt on day 1. Luckily I had it on case and only the top corner got dented | 07:33 |
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| walokra | after that you are not so afraid about denting it :) | 07:36 |
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| niuran | hi,i have done the battery and the paper trick, it's early to test if there are not restarts, but the connectivity problems remains | 09:11 |
| niuran | minutes ago the internet data option in settings just dissapeared | 09:12 |
| niuran | it reappeared after reboot the phone | 09:12 |
| niuran | and now it seems to be fine | 09:13 |
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| Azog | happens to me from time to time, too | 09:14 |
| Sailor341_ | again disconnected | 09:14 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 09:15 |
| niuran | only well connected under Wi-Fi | 09:15 |
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| ggabriel | i cracked my screen yesterday :( | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | but it was weird | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | i dropped the phone, the screen was perfectly unscratched, frame had a couple of dents | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | but a few hours later I noticed that it was cracked | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i think cracks develop over time | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | perhaps metal isn't such a good idea to use as frame | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | :( | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to see something scary, look at what happens in cracks in airplane fuselages.. | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:25 |
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| ggabriel | i mean... it's a proper crack from side to side | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: :) | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | I have a couply of small scratches that are only visible in the right light | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | couple* | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | i'll apply a nasty screen protector | 09:25 |
| elias_a | What material is Jolla "glass"? | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | elias_a: gorilla 2 | 09:26 |
| elias_a | ggabriel: Does not tell me anything about the material | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | my crack goes all the way tho, i'm worried i can eventually break it properly | 09:26 |
| elias_a | Some sort of polycarbonate? | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | elias_a: search for it and find out? it's reinforced glass | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | "Gorilla Glass is the registered trademark for an alkali-aluminosilicate sheet toughened glass" | 09:26 |
| elias_a | Ok. | 09:26 |
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| ggabriel | now, on the flip side | 09:27 |
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| elias_a | Close enough to car winscreens. | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | this gives me the perfect excuse to buy the second iteration of the jolla :P | 09:27 |
| elias_a | ggabriel: Your case imho is the same as with windscreen cracks. | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | elias_a: probably triggered by the fall | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | my point is: if the frame were plastic, this may not have happened | 09:28 |
| elias_a | You get a stone or a stud in the windscreen -> small point shaped damage. | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | ok | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | i'm talking about a crack that goes from side to side, full glass, and goes as deep as the glass is too | 09:29 |
| elias_a | Then the temperature changes take care of the rest. | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | true | 09:29 |
| elias_a | Exactly. | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | life goes on tho ;-) | 09:29 |
| Nicd- | I remember when a friend dropped her brand new Galaxy Note on the pavement, it got cracked from side to side on the middle of the screen. she almost cried | 09:30 |
| elias_a | But it is not due to the frame material imho. Here in Finland you see windscreen cracks even in old cars in which the glass is not glued to the chassi. | 09:30 |
| Nicd- | I'm paranoid about my Jolla... | 09:31 |
| elias_a | A rubber seal in between the windscreen hole and the glass means much less tension. Still they crack. | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | frame material can absorb shock and mitigate cracks i think | 09:31 |
| elias_a | ggabriel: True, but if you check the crack carefully, you probably find a spot where it has started. | 09:34 |
| elias_a | You really cannot avoid that phenomenon with present hardened sheet glasses. | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | fair | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | i won't check it | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | will just cover it with a protector and hope for the best | 09:35 |
| elias_a | BTW - is the jolla glass available somewhere for DYI dudes like me? | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | not that i know of | 09:37 |
| Nicd- | you'll have to ask gorilla | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't mind a spare either | 09:37 |
| Nicd- | well, corning | 09:37 |
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| Nicd- | or do you mean the exact component for jolla devices? | 09:38 |
| Nicd- | to replace yourself | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | i meant the spare for jolla :) | 09:39 |
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| Nicd- | think only optima has those for now | 09:39 |
| Nicd- | aside from jolla | 09:39 |
| kimmoli | heh, frst aliexpress stuff for Jolla has arrived .. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sweatproof-Solf-Armband-Running-bag-Sports-Cover-Gym-Arm-Band-case-for-Jolla-4-5-Snapdragon/1569944771.html | 09:39 |
| Nicd- | hehe, love that it shows an iphone in the pic | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: do you know if you can buy that outside .fi? | 09:40 |
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| Nicd- | what, that armband? | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | no, a spare glass :) | 09:41 |
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| ggabriel | they'll just repair i guess | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | n/m | 09:42 |
| Nicd- | you can't buy it in finland either | 09:42 |
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| kimmoli | i ordered one of these, will provide "review"... http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-5-inch-Jolla-Cell-phone-case-New-arrival-wallet-Flip-Leather-case-Cover-for-Jolla/1687917606.html | 09:44 |
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| Mnsu_ | kimmoli: thanks for the link, gonna order one for myself too | 09:47 |
| niuran | Me too, sadly there are not vertical flip one | 09:48 |
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| kimmoli | don't .#blamekimmo if it does not fit :) | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | kimmoli: too late ;-) | 09:50 |
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| niuran | mmm,dont like the fix systen | 09:53 |
| niuran | m | 09:53 |
| niuran | will wait for one that fits exactly | 09:53 |
| kimmoli | yeah, seems that there is no camera opening either | 09:54 |
| CissWit | http://www.insmat.fi/en/products//product/650-2088_exclusive-flip-case-for-jolla-phone-black <- im thinking about ordering this one | 09:55 |
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| kimmoli | that should be good choice, i have heard | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Next meeting on SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: today in 2 minutes, https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004152.html | 09:58 |
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| niuran | that looks much better | 10:00 |
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| nailbar | Hi all! I have in my hand a brand new Jolla (version 1.0.0.5) with no apps installed. It refuses to upgrade saying "Problem with store". Any hints on what to do? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | did you tocuh developer updates in any way? | 10:15 |
| nailbar | Nope | 10:15 |
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| ggabriel | nailbar: I assume you set up a jolla account and that it owrks? | 10:16 |
| nailbar | Yep | 10:16 |
| nailbar | Though I've tried developer mode and pkcon refresh and whatnot and that didn't help either. Phone is now reset and I've not installed or touched anything. | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | search tjc, there may be ideas out ther | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | +e | 10:17 |
| nailbar | Are you referring to a channel or site or keyword? | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | together.jolla.com | 10:18 |
| nailbar | Alright | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | nailbar: probably worth trying your jolla account's user/pass in accounts.jolla.com (or something like that) to check that it works outside the phone | 10:19 |
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| nailbar | Tried. Works. | 10:21 |
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| nailbar | Just enabled dev mode. pkcon refresh says "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)" | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | nailbar: sounds like you touched 'developer updates' | 10:23 |
| nailbar | Nope | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | trust me | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:23 |
| ggabriel | def sounds like it | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | do a factory reset, log in with jolla account, then all should work again | 10:23 |
| nailbar | How can I check if I've done that? | 10:23 |
| ggabriel | even if you switched it on/off quickly | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | don't touch the 'developer updates' thing in developer mode | 10:23 |
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| nailbar | I've done the factory reset about 7 times today | 10:23 |
| nailbar | Never touched developer updates | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.0.5 had some really nasty bugs in that regard, so | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | unless the repo for 1.0.0.5 is broken? | 10:24 |
| nailbar | Could it be a server side problem? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's not impossible, but shouldn't be | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | i will test a 1.0.0.5 later, but, factory reset, log in with jolla account in the startup wizard, install no apps, then upadte | 10:25 |
| nailbar | Yeah that's what I did and when that didn't work I came here | 10:25 |
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| coderus | https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/jolla-apps/1.0.0.5/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml working for me | 10:33 |
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| ggabriel | nailbar: the only other thing I can think of is whether you are connected to a network that doesn't restrict you | 10:39 |
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| nailbar | I don't think the network is restricting my traffic. I can install the default apps (except for maps) without a problem. | 10:42 |
| javispedro | may it be a temporary cloudfront fluke on your area? | 10:43 |
| nailbar | Not entirely sure what that means :-) | 10:44 |
| ggabriel | javispedro means amazon clooud being rubbish | 10:44 |
| ggabriel | which is where the repos are hosted | 10:44 |
| javispedro | I see a cloudfront url above | 10:45 |
| javispedro | oh, cloudfront==amazon I guess | 10:45 |
| nailbar | Hmm. I could load the repo xml file in my browser and this computer is on the same network.. | 10:45 |
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| nailbar | Still refusing to download update, though. Never gets past the initial ~5% | 10:46 |
| joonahoi | nailbar: are you on wifi or 3g? | 10:47 |
| joonahoi | or have you tried both | 10:47 |
| nailbar | Tried both | 10:47 |
| joonahoi | ok | 10:47 |
| nailbar | One at the time and both at the same time. Nothing. | 10:47 |
| coderus | nailbar: can you do the same with zypper and paste output? | 10:47 |
| nailbar | I may need some more hints on how to do that. Zypper is the cli version? | 10:48 |
| ggabriel | nailbar: pkcon is the official way, zypper is an extra tool | 10:48 |
| ggabriel | (for zypper you need mer-tools iirc) | 10:49 |
| nailbar | so pkcon install mer-tools ? | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | no, ssu ar mer-tools | 10:49 |
| coderus | pkcon install zypper | 10:50 |
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| coderus | and then zypper ref | 10:50 |
| nailbar | The ssu command gave no output at least | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | after ssu, pkcon refresh | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | then what coderus said | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | (may work without refresh, but better safe than sorry) | 10:51 |
| nailbar | pkcon refresh still giving me the Authentication failed error but it finds zypper when I run pkcon install zypper | 10:52 |
| nailbar | installin.. | 10:52 |
| nailbar | Ah must be root | 10:53 |
| nailbar | for zypper ref | 10:53 |
| nailbar | Was there a default password or sudo or something? | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | ther is no sude ootb | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | sudo even | 10:54 |
| Nicd- | devel-su | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | the password is what you set up in settings/dev mode | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | and do what Nicd- says | 10:54 |
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| Nicd- | nailbar: just for fun, try what 'ssu domain' says | 10:55 |
| nailbar | domain is sales, I understand that's correct | 10:56 |
| coderus | pkcon install sudo | 10:56 |
| Nicd- | nailbar: ok, good | 10:56 |
| nailbar | packageKit is blocking zypper | 10:56 |
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| SK_work | nailbar: allow unplocking | 10:57 |
| nailbar | aight | 10:57 |
| nailbar | still running. Probably busy (try again) | 10:57 |
| nailbar | Trying again... | 10:57 |
| SK_work | nailbar: it's checking for sw update maybe | 10:58 |
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| nailbar | It keeps asking me for authentication for 'store'. | 10:59 |
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| SK_work | nailbar: interesting | 11:01 |
| nailbar | Uuh more interesting: Firefox can't find the server at accounts.jolla.com. | 11:01 |
| sdjayna | nailbar: could you pm me your jolla account username? i can check our logs.. (sorry i joined the conversation late) | 11:01 |
| SK_work | nailbar: remove and readd your jolla account ? | 11:01 |
| nailbar | I was going to test the username/password | 11:01 |
| sdjayna | nailbar: https://account.jolla.com not accounts | 11:01 |
| sdjayna | nailbar: also removing/adding your jolla account on the device again is also a good idea as suggested | 11:02 |
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| nailbar | Doing remove/add now... | 11:03 |
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| coderus | nailbar: which repo asking for credentials? | 11:10 |
| nailbar | I'll check in a jiffy | 11:11 |
| nailbar | Running pkcon refresh right now and it's being very sluggish... | 11:12 |
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| nailbar | So the problem may be server side and a fix is coming. I just got lucky :-) | 11:20 |
| nailbar | According to sdjayna, that is. | 11:20 |
| sdjayna | yeah sorry folks, working on rolling out a fix now | 11:20 |
| sdjayna | only effects new accounts added to devices since late yesterday i believe | 11:21 |
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| Quu | why did you broke it? :< | 11:26 |
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| nailbar | Downloading system update! | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | oooh you scared me | 11:38 |
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| coderus | aAazxszazXCXSZ cz | 11:46 |
| coderus | aAazxszazXCXSZ czHGTRA | 11:46 |
| coderus | aAazxszazXCXSZ czHGTRAuhtrSD | 11:46 |
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| javispedro | testing a new ROT13 encrypted IM protocol? | 11:46 |
| coderus | just a kitten, sorry :D | 11:47 |
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| Teme | :D | 11:47 |
| chem|st | a kitten once managed to type "rm -rf" in a terminal window... better lock your kbd! | 11:48 |
| coderus | i'm just ctrl+shift+f6 when afk for long | 11:48 |
| coderus | ctrl+alt+f6* | 11:49 |
| coderus | but i wasnt afk, i tried to catch kitten :D | 11:49 |
| niuran | kitten over keyboard, looking at you saying "ey, i am here" and you answer "i know" | 11:52 |
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| the_mgt | so, is there a solution to those random reboots and retyping of the sim pin? | 11:54 |
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| Stskeeps | retyping of sim pin -> talk to care | 11:54 |
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| chem|st | coderus: if a kitten can accidentally format your drives, it can also login and format your drive^^ | 11:57 |
| Sailor341_ | (hate this connectivity ) | 11:58 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: place a empty box on your desk. kitten goes there and not on your kbd | 12:07 |
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| Waitee | :3 | 12:08 |
| Waitee | kittens | 12:08 |
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| gabriel9|work | does jolla plans to create toh keyboard? | 12:25 |
| Waitee | not officially at least | 12:25 |
| gabriel9|work | why the hell not, i is gold mine :D | 12:25 |
| gabriel9|work | i would buy one for sure | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | it's not that easy to just whip keyboards out of thin air | 12:26 |
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| gabriel9|work | i know, but the reason i buy this phone is for hardware keyboard :/ | 12:27 |
| TemeV | gabriel9|work: that's quite stupid reason, since it does not have one :) | 12:28 |
| Waitee | if they produce an official hw keyboard toh they would need to provide universal support for it | 12:28 |
| gabriel9|work | well from day one they talked about it, people wrote about it... | 12:28 |
| Waitee | and it would have to be cheap enough, good quality, not too big etc | 12:28 |
| TemeV | it has always been a "possibility" | 12:29 |
| gabriel9|work | i know it would not be cheap, and they would needed to adapt some apps... | 12:29 |
| gabriel9|work | adapt is not a word i think :D | 12:30 |
| joonahoi | gabriel9|work: well, there is a prototype batch of hw keyboard tohs by dirkvl | 12:30 |
| gabriel9|work | i follow his work, and he finished first batch | 12:31 |
| gabriel9|work | and i read that he does not plan to continue working on it | 12:31 |
| joonahoi | no wonder, it's a crapton of work when handmade | 12:32 |
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| Waitee | yup | 12:32 |
| TemeV | gabriel9|work: it is open source, just print you own hwkb :) | 12:32 |
| Waitee | i guess the keyboard tohs by dirkvl are too bulky for mass market | 12:33 |
| TemeV | and unreliable | 12:33 |
| TemeV | At least there seems to be problems with the cable | 12:34 |
| kimmoli | there is some rumors about rev2 ... | 12:35 |
| TemeV | yeah, but dirkvl (or anyone else for that matter) has not confirmed it | 12:36 |
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| TemeV | there is the thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93156 | 12:38 |
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| kimmoli | I might have heard something that it will not be 3d printed... | 12:42 |
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| TemeV | Then it sounds expensive or a large batch | 12:42 |
| TemeV | molds for plastic parts cost a fortune | 12:43 |
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| elias_a | TemeV: Define fortune :) | 12:44 |
| elias_a | 4 k€ is the price class for a PE mold. | 12:45 |
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| TemeV | yep, but I doubt one mold is enough | 12:46 |
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| kimmoli | 2 molds in one frame, calculated with some online estimator, roughly 2500 USD, material price almost nothing, so e.g. 100 pcs ~ 25 USD/pc is about the same that it costs printed from shapeways | 12:50 |
| TemeV | ok, that doesn't sound that bad | 12:51 |
| Nicd- | oh, dirkvl has his own online OH store. they look pretty cool | 12:52 |
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| TemeV | Well, there is still some financial risk to take. Let's hope he is willing to take it :) | 12:54 |
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| gabriel9|work | sorry i was working, so he is working on rev2. I still think jolla should help him | 13:15 |
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| Tegu | hm, sometimes the default browser stops registering link presses and you can only zoom. fortunately, a quick restart helps, but tyen again sometimes you wouldn't want to refresh the page (forms or whatever) | 13:29 |
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| rangoy | are we seeing a update this week? | 14:20 |
| rangoy | (as this http://www.jollausers.com/2014/05/whats-next-jolla-italian-community-meetup-summary/ page suggest, update 6 should arrive this week) | 14:21 |
| niuran | i have read it to | 14:22 |
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| niuran | it should be great | 14:22 |
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| sharpneli | "device is getting hot. Please close all apps" | 15:07 |
| sharpneli | wat. cpu usage is 10% or so | 15:07 |
| Nicd- | so... are there written instructions somewhere for the paper + battery trick? | 15:08 |
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| gexc | impedance issue? | 15:09 |
| Nicd- | I don't know what the real issue is but I'm getting shutdowns when I have my finger on the display | 15:10 |
| sharpneli | And now it booted. The device xoesnt even feel warm | 15:10 |
| sharpneli | Heat spreader broken? | 15:10 |
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| kjokinie | sharpneli: afaik there is a fix coming in next release.. something about odd bad reading from temperature sensor once in a rare occasion. Haven't seen that on my device though | 15:11 |
| sharpneli | Ah. Good to know | 15:11 |
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| Nicd- | ok, I put some paper to jam the battery into place | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | let's hope it helps | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | btw, I love that the phone shows the battery percentage when charging even when it's off | 15:28 |
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| nadriel_ | My Jolla just went dark and gives me red LED. | 16:06 |
| nadriel_ | Is this bad? | 16:06 |
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| Tegu | weird, everybody seems to be having these issues lately | 16:07 |
| ar | maybe it's just the battery? | 16:07 |
| nadriel | 5 applications open, clock, browser, MeeCast, Messages and phone. Tried to open calls and it froze, screen went black and only red LED. | 16:08 |
| nadriel | narp, 50% charge | 16:08 |
| nadriel | Okay, 49% | 16:09 |
| nadriel | First time I had to remove battery to solve a problem on this phone. | 16:09 |
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| nadriel | last time I rebooted was with update. I think this is solid, but weird nonetheless. | 16:10 |
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| javispedro | oh, didn't see this: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-snapshot | 16:34 |
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| javispedro | btw, what would be the chapeast way to get access to source code for sailfish packages (as in SbJ versions)? | 16:36 |
| javispedro | e.g. is qt5-qtgui-5.1.0+git34-1.13.3.srpm available anywhere? does one still need to ask for a DVD? | 16:36 |
| locusf | oh nice spot on the snapshot tool | 16:41 |
| * javispedro has no idea whether jolla's qt is closer to qt5.1 or qt5.2 | 16:41 | |
| locusf | I wonder if nemomobile rootfs is possible | 16:41 |
| locusf | of course with HA bits | 16:42 |
| javispedro | I have no idea in which context that tool is supposed to be run from | 16:42 |
| javispedro | rescue mode seems most likely, though | 16:42 |
| Raim | javispedro: if it helps, the DVD for the 1.0.4.20 release is available here: http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/ | 16:44 |
| javispedro | Raim: yeah, that's recent enough, so it helps. ty | 16:45 |
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| Raim | javispedro: you actually need to thank tbr, who went through the request process and uploaded it. | 16:46 |
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| locusf | javispedro: might be that this tool is run inside Jolla | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: github.com/mer-packages/ for qtbase | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | we're working on a saner way to rely what exact tag is in use | 16:49 |
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| javispedro | ooh, gtgui is qtbase | 16:51 |
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| javispedro | ok, thanks Stskeeps too. | 16:52 |
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| Stskeeps | rpm -q --info | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | always good | 16:53 |
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| javispedro | btw, my factory-@ is 1.0.5.16 | 16:59 |
| javispedro | so I guess new base images are already being shipped. | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, service reflashes them | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | good thing it's not the 'let's lock the bootloader' one | 17:01 |
| javispedro | oh, I completely forgot trying that! | 17:01 |
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| javispedro | hey, it was already unlocked. must have done it while sleeping =) | 17:07 |
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| Anden | is this a good channel to report bugs? | 17:11 |
| Anden | i reported one yesterday but not sure anyone took notice | 17:12 |
| Pnuu | together.jolla.com is the best place | 17:13 |
| Anden | ok thanx | 17:13 |
| Anz | Anden: post as 'bug' in together.jolla.com or if its related to a particular app, at.tje place recommended by tje developer | 17:14 |
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| Anden | i assume together.jolla.com then as it's in the official media player | 17:18 |
| flanag | Anden: if I remember your posts from yesterday correctly, I think at least some of those bugs have already been reported | 17:19 |
| flanag | so look for them first using the search so you won't make a duplicate | 17:19 |
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| flanag | Has anyone else here had problems with sending emails through certain email providers? I've been testing some free email providers and I haven't really seen any problems except with "Zoho.com". I can add it fine and I can see my emails fine but I can't send anything. I get an error (freely translated) "problem with signing in" and the email just stays in the outbox. Any suggestions? I'm pretty sure all the details are right as I | 19:30 |
| flanag | 've inputted them multiple times and other email services work beautifully. If I remember correctly, VDVsx was the guy answering to email related questions on together earlier. Are you here? | 19:30 |
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| flanag | (And the Zoho.com account works fine with Thunderbird so it's not that simple.) | 19:31 |
| VDVsx | flanag, yes, without logs hard to guess what's wrong, but looks like authentication problem | 19:31 |
| VDVsx | flanag, what server address and port you use ? | 19:32 |
| flanag | Outgoing Server Name: smtp.zoho.com | 19:32 |
| flanag | Port: 465 | 19:32 |
| flanag | from here: https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/imap-access.html | 19:32 |
| VDVsx | and you selected Authentication: password right ? | 19:34 |
| flanag | yup | 19:34 |
| VDVsx | let me see if I can get a free account to try here | 19:35 |
| flanag | yeah, that would probably be the easiest way for you to test for the problem :) | 19:36 |
| flanag | VDVsx: seems that someone else is having the same problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/39681/zohocom-mail-exchange-gets-stuck-in-outbox/ | 19:37 |
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| VDVsx | flanag, but that's for exchange, you are using SMTP | 19:45 |
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| flanag | well yes | 19:46 |
| VDVsx | we can't afford to support none standard implementations of exchange at this point, too small team and no test servers, etc... | 19:46 |
| flanag | I understand that | 19:46 |
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| flanag | VDVsx: well, SMTP should still work for pretty much any provider? | 19:48 |
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| VDVsx | yes | 19:50 |
| VDVsx | unless they use Auth methods we don't support | 19:51 |
| VDVsx | there's few like that | 19:51 |
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| flanag | I'm not even actually using Zoho.com (at least not yet) but it would be still nice to know if the problem is something Jolla can fix (if it's not me failing which I doubt, but possible of course) | 19:52 |
| gogeta_ | zoho.com stmp ? | 19:52 |
| flanag | gogeta_: yes | 19:53 |
| gogeta_ | give me some seconds | 19:53 |
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| gogeta_ | 250-mx.zohomail.com Hello babel.it (net-93-70-187-234.cust.vodafonedsl.it (93.70.187.234)) | 19:53 |
| gogeta_ | 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN | 19:53 |
| gogeta_ | 250 SIZE 25000000 | 19:53 |
| gogeta_ | i use an stmps server like that and work flowless | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | --- | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 220 smtp.par-tec.it ESMTP MSA Posta Elettronica Par-Tec S.p.A. | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | ehlo babel.it | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250-smtp.par-tec.it | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250-PIPELINING | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250-SIZE 41943040 | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250-VRFY | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250-ETRN | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250-8BITMIME | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | 250 DSN | 19:54 |
| gogeta_ | this is mine server | 19:54 |
| sledges | use pastie pls | 19:55 |
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| gogeta_ | --- | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 220 smtp.par-tec.it ESMTP MSA Posta Elettronica Par-Tec S.p.A. | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | ehlo babel.it | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250-smtp.par-tec.it | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250-PIPELINING | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250-SIZE 41943040 | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250-VRFY | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250-ETRN | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250-8BITMIME | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | gogeta_: pastie.org, please | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | 250 DSN | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | sorry master | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | sorry master | 19:56 |
| * sledges sighs | 19:56 | |
| gogeta_ | every time x-chat paste it self | 19:56 |
| gogeta_ | sorry again | 19:56 |
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| VDVsx | flanag, server just denies connection, no apparent problem in Jolla side, lots of issues with their SMTP just check google, here it says that you need to verify the account for sending, not sure where to do that: https://zohomail.wiki.zoho.com/Send-Mail-as.html | 20:10 |
| flanag | VDVsx: weeeell, I have sent some test emails from the account with Thunderbird and it has worked fine | 20:11 |
| flanag | And if you are talking about this "You need to verify the account first to enable sending outgoing email from the account." it means that you have to verify your account like any other account to any service (through the other email like gmail address that you gave them when registering) | 20:12 |
| flanag | did you verify it? | 20:13 |
| VDVsx | no :P | 20:13 |
| flanag | :D | 20:13 |
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| VDVsx | flanag, server is bogus, it advertise wrong capabilities, thunderbird is probably smarter and tries all auths | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | if I change via command line LOGIN auth it works | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | is even mentioned in some articles, for example: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=109477 | 20:29 |
| VDVsx | server says: RECV: "250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN" | 20:30 |
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| flanag | VDVsx: can anything be done about that? | 20:38 |
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| VDVsx | flanag, yup, have plans to improve that to deal with this cases, for the time being if you have console skills you can change the auth type and make it work | 20:39 |
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| flanag | VDVsx: Well, I might try it at some point but I don't really need Zoho.com (at least not yet). It's nice to hear that the problem is not too complex. :) | 20:41 |
| VDVsx | nop is just wrong auth being use since the server advertise it, after changing works fine here | 20:42 |
| flanag | yeah | 20:42 |
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| flanag | VDVsx: How complicated it would be to change the auth through terminal? I might try it at some point. | 20:43 |
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| VDVsx | sec will paste it just 2 commands | 20:45 |
| flanag | ah, so simple :P thanks | 20:45 |
| VDVsx | actually 3 :) http://pastebin.com/zu2uXV4T | 20:48 |
| VDVsx | last command you only replace acct_ID rest is like that | 20:48 |
| flanag | thanks, I'll try that :) | 20:49 |
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| flanag | doesn't seem to be working, is there anything I could be doing wrong? I found the ID and inputted the command like this: ag-tool update-service 8 email int:smtp/authentication=1 | 20:54 |
| VDVsx | probably session is open, do: systemctl --user restart messageserver5.service | 20:57 |
| flanag | ok | 20:57 |
| VDVsx | also do not open account setting and save for that particular account, otherwise you need to do these commands again | 20:58 |
| flanag | oh crap | 20:58 |
| VDVsx | since it overwrites :) | 20:58 |
| flanag | I just did that earlier to check if there was anything else wrong | 20:58 |
| flanag | :p | 20:58 |
| flanag | stupid me | 20:58 |
| VDVsx | but you never need to do that once is working | 20:58 |
| flanag | yeah | 20:58 |
| VDVsx | you can check always, but if you save it will change | 20:58 |
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| flanag | I re-inputted the command and restarted the service and now when I try sending it doesn't give any errors but the email has been in the outbox for a couple of minutes now | 21:01 |
| flanag | something else wrong? | 21:01 |
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| flanag | VDVsx: well, I'll try again tomorrow, maybe I'm just forgetting about something, thanks for the help so far :) | 21:05 |
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| chem|st | so I just read about accounts being lost and stuff... now I am hit with it, all for a sudden store wants an account setup... | 21:38 |
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| Quu | yes. you need to login before accessing stuff what wants you to login | 21:41 |
| chem|st | signing in from store helped - update sign-in credentials in settings does not... seems settings crashed before (unsure) | 21:42 |
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| chem|st | Quu: I am setup ever since I got the phone last year | 21:43 |
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| Aard | chem|st: I'm nowadays happy when I read about other phone manufacturers issues with their releases or hardware :p | 22:11 |
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