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| mornfall | hmm, seems the only way to paste from a computer to jolla is ssh, sqlite3 into the notes app, insert the string as a new note, then run the notes app, select the text and copy it... kinda awkward if you ask me :P | 00:33 |
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| mornfall | cf. https://together.jolla.com/question/17195/question-how-to-access-clipboard-from-the-command-line/ | 00:33 |
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| pdanek1 | Does anyone of Sailors and open-source fans, consider buying Google Glass? | 00:34 |
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| mornfall | not me, at least not for half a dozen or so iterations | 00:47 |
| mornfall | also, early adoption is expensive and pushing cash into google sounds like a non-starter to me :-) | 00:47 |
| M4rtinK | I've looked at the specs and it looks rather primitive :) | 00:54 |
| M4rtinK | let me know once it can superimpose objects into a scene, so that you can't decide which are real and which not without removing the glasses :) | 00:55 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, for a good "further reading" how advanced augmented reality deployment could look like, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennō_Coil | 00:56 |
| mornfall | M4rtinK: you are talking about a production technology :P what did you expect? :) | 00:58 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: well, bigger field of view & for both eyes | 01:00 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: also having two camera that are so that you can use stereoscopic tricks | 01:01 |
| pdanek1 | wow, there seems to be anime about everything | 01:01 |
| mornfall | M4rtinK: and poor battery life, too heavy to be practical plus a $5k price tag? :) | 01:01 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek1: yeah, pretty much :) | 01:01 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: battery backpack, ghost-busters style ? :D | 01:02 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: well, the biggest issue I have with Google Glass is the integration with Googles cloud bullshit | 01:03 |
| mornfall | M4rtinK: being wired to your backpack sucks real bad :P | 01:03 |
| mornfall | it's bad enough to be wired to your clothing via earphones... | 01:04 |
| M4rtinK | I think it is giving a bad name to a rather interesting technology and scaring people away from it | 01:04 |
| pdanek1 | http://youtu.be/LuMv29nKo2k | 01:04 |
| mornfall | pdanek1: yeah, under $100k :D | 01:05 |
| pdanek1 | what | 01:06 |
| pdanek1 | Meta is a regular Kickstarter project | 01:06 |
| pdanek1 | for masses | 01:06 |
| pdanek1 | not so expensive | 01:06 |
| mornfall | pdanek1: the video description says "The largest augmented reality optics in the world under $100,000" | 01:06 |
| mornfall | whatever that means | 01:07 |
| pdanek1 | yes, means they developed it for that price | 01:07 |
| pdanek1 | :) | 01:07 |
| pdanek1 | kickstarter goal was 100k | 01:07 |
| pdanek1 | but they finally pledged 200k | 01:07 |
| mornfall | also, the handwaving stuff shown in the video is pretty solid BS :P | 01:07 |
| pdanek1 | costs about $700 | 01:09 |
| pdanek1 | Do you know Steve Mann? | 01:09 |
| pdanek1 | he is their chief scientist | 01:09 |
| pdanek1 | from what I read | 01:10 |
| pdanek1 | his whole life is about augmented reality | 01:10 |
| M4rtinK | the only question remains: | 01:11 |
| pdanek1 | the video is just marketing... I wouldn't buy Meta is this phase | 01:11 |
| pdanek1 | but it seems promising | 01:11 |
| M4rtinK | for how much will Facebook buy them ? :) | 01:11 |
| pdanek1 | more than G. Glass | 01:11 |
| pdanek1 | hehe | 01:11 |
| M4rtinK | once they are kickstarted by other peoples money :) | 01:11 |
| mornfall | pdanek1: you mean $3650? :) | 01:11 |
| mornfall | pdanek1: for $700 you get a goggle-style developer edition | 01:11 |
| pdanek1 | ah right | 01:12 |
| pdanek1 | yes, I read now | 01:12 |
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| pdanek1 | btw, whoever made their web, should be replaced | 01:13 |
| mornfall | :D | 01:14 |
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| mornfall | pdanek1: https://www.atheerlabs.com/ :) | 01:25 |
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| mornfall | so google glass is now, meta is in half a year, atheer in a year, that's like iteration 3 | 01:27 |
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| mornfall | 75 grams sounds manageable, but the wire sucks | 01:28 |
| mornfall | 180g for the meta less so... | 01:30 |
| mornfall | especially compared to 50g google glass :-) | 01:30 |
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| pdanek | Can you imagine Google buying Jolla? | 03:02 |
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| pdanek1 | Google deciding to replace / evolve their OS, with Android compatibility stack there, but strategy to move developers out of Java, to eventually dismiss Java from Android. | 03:05 |
| pdanek1 | Is anything like that even remotely possible? | 03:05 |
| pdanek1 | If you get your imagination fly? | 03:05 |
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| Acce | dude, if you've noticed, it's FB buying stuff. so, will fb buy jollafor gazillion? | 07:55 |
| Acce | then we get oculus-jolla-whatsrift | 07:56 |
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| pp | swipe-left-to-like? | 08:12 |
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| Waitee | so people are speculating if fb buys jolla? :D | 08:15 |
| Waitee | i wouldnt be so concerned | 08:16 |
| Waitee | jolla after all isnt anything revolutionary | 08:16 |
| Waitee | it's just another phone | 08:16 |
| Waitee | although i like it very much and there's i2c and shit | 08:16 |
| Waitee | but still why would fb care to buy a small finnish startup phone company? | 08:17 |
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| Waitee | there's dozens of small chinese companies that make android phones with better specs than jolla | 08:18 |
| Quu | modular-fb-phone | 08:21 |
| Quu | you need to have "like" module to like stuff | 08:21 |
| Waitee | but there's like zte and motorola doing real modular phones :D | 08:22 |
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| Waitee | why would anyone be interested in jolla if they want something modular | 08:22 |
| pp | Like-TOH! With sensors to invade your privacy and send data to zuckerbergs skynet | 08:23 |
| Waitee | we all know toh really is very clumsy in comparison to the phoneblocks concept :D | 08:23 |
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| Waitee | the i2c technology accepts many modules simultaneously but nobody wants a bulky smartphone :D | 08:24 |
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| Waitee | the phoneblocks concept really is a lot more promising and there's google helping them | 08:26 |
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| Waitee | jolla's TOH concept is nice for a hacker or tinkerer but for the average guy it's just a feature you're never gonna use | 08:27 |
| Quu | unless jolla sells TOH's with nice features | 08:27 |
| Acce | imo i2c is a start, but something faster will be needed in the future | 08:27 |
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| pp | usb would be nice :-) | 08:28 |
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| Acce | but well, jolla is more about sailfish than the phone.. so, sailfish for phoneblocks / ara would be nice | 08:29 |
| Waitee | true | 08:29 |
| pp | I've sort of wondered why they didn't come up with a usb "slot" for laptops, which would fit in a wifi/bt/whatnot dongle + connector (or just a simple passthrough usb port) | 08:30 |
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| Waitee | iirc jolla said in the release that they aim to be a software developer rather than a phone manufacturer | 08:30 |
| Waitee | but if facebook would be buying a smartphone company it would be some really revolutionary | 08:32 |
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| Acce | well.. imo whatsapp isnt very revolutionary.. at least not compared to oculus | 08:45 |
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| Waitee | true | 08:53 |
| Waitee | but it's the biggest mobile communications platform | 08:53 |
| Waitee | skype isnt very revolutionary too | 08:53 |
| Waitee | but as with whatsapp it's very big | 08:54 |
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| laehtis | I'm looking forward to Whatsapp voice call feature, it's dpmination gets even bigger | 09:46 |
| laehtis | soon regular sms/phone calls become useless | 09:46 |
| Waitee | i doubt that | 09:48 |
| Waitee | in bigger cities perhaps where 3G/4G has a good signal | 09:49 |
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| Sail0r | not in germany where dataplans are so expensive ... | 09:50 |
| * ggabriel looks forward to when voip becomes more popular and anyone can do it regardless of service provider..... | 09:54 | |
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| laehtis | yes, in Finland operators haven't made the change yet, ypu can get unlimited 24mbps speed 3G for like 20e/month | 10:02 |
| laehtis | with sms/calls | 10:03 |
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| Waitee | it isnt very good business really for the operators to have unlimited 3g/4g access | 10:05 |
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| Pnuu | laehtis: I have 24/3 Mbps for 9.90 e/month from saunalahti | 10:07 |
| Pnuu | some free calls and sms's, too | 10:08 |
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| Sail0r | we have 1gb per month for 25 | 10:10 |
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| laehtis | Pnuu: Nice, for me currently 24mbps 3000min calls 3000sms 19,90e | 10:25 |
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| laehtis | Sail0r: how about German 3G/4G coverage? | 10:51 |
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| TMavica | whats is command the reset the pulseaudio, my Jolla keeping muted..i not in silence mode | 15:41 |
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| pdanek1 | Facebook buys Jolla! | 15:50 |
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| raa70 | cool | 15:55 |
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| Turski | pdanek1: april 1st was 3 weeks ago | 16:02 |
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| Acce | Jolla buys Facebook | 16:22 |
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| Sailor-2gether | the quick settings menu is nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbwb9B3aPUQ&feature=youtu.be | 16:28 |
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| shanttu | is it safe to remove /opt/lipstick-pandora/qml folder and reboot? (=do i need to go to recovery mode?) | 16:39 |
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| matrixx | still having a problem with the android app support | 17:07 |
| matrixx | I uninstalled all android apps, and finally the support by itself, but the icons stay in homescreen for all uninstalled android apps, that can't be right? | 17:08 |
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| matrixx | also I tried installing android support and some apps back, and they still crash at the launch :/ | 17:09 |
| matrixx | soo.. I'm asking which is the safest way from terminal to remove everything android related to start over? | 17:09 |
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| Eztran | matrixx: Schturman has a script on OpenRepos to nuke everything related to Dalvik at https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/dalvik-cleanup . All the used commands are listed on that page if you want to do it yourself. | 17:28 |
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| matrixx | Eztran: cool, thanks | 17:32 |
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| matrixx | I was just going through the /opt/alien/ and /data dirs and noticed there was quite a lot of stuff even when all possible uninstallation through UI was done | 17:33 |
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| matrixx | maybe in some future update we could get a cleaner uninstaller in the cases something goes wrong | 17:33 |
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| Mirv | matrixx: my friend has one app that crashes on launch if the newest version is used, and otherwise works :S I haven't checked if Paarlampi fixed it or not. | 17:38 |
| Mirv | no other problems with other Android apps, and I've the same app's newest version working. weird. | 17:38 |
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| matrixx | Mirv: all android apps have somwhat worked before paarlampi, but after the update any don't launch | 17:40 |
| matrixx | I guess something went foobar in the update cause don't know anyone else with the same problem | 17:41 |
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| Venemo_j | matrixx: create a post on together for this, and give us a link to vote :) | 17:42 |
| matrixx | Venemo_j: there was actually one, but closed as answered | 17:42 |
| Venemo_j | matrixx: lol | 17:42 |
| matrixx | https://together.jolla.com/question/13805/android-support-not-working-apps-not-loading/ this | 17:43 |
| Venemo_j | hm | 17:43 |
| matrixx | earlier I've had also this not launching problem, but always a reboot has helped | 17:43 |
| Venemo_j | I'm on a crappy 2G connection, so can't really open it | 17:43 |
| matrixx | it's waiting for you at the buffer if wanna see it later :) | 17:44 |
| Venemo_j | matrixx: btw, I've been using your blue ambience and it's great :) | 17:44 |
| matrixx | Venemo_j: great, I'm very glad you've liked it :) | 17:45 |
| Venemo_j | matrixx: it's great. | 17:45 |
| Venemo_j | matrixx: there are actually not many good ones, but yours is just awesome :) | 17:46 |
| matrixx | thanks, I've used some earlier on WP and N9 and kinda missed them on Jolla, needed to create ambiences of them | 17:47 |
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| Venemo_j | :) | 17:51 |
| matrixx | yey, the schturman's nuke everything android script works, at least yandex store don't crash at launch anymore :) | 17:55 |
| matrixx | need to download some others too, but I think the problem is gone | 17:55 |
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| Venemo_j | matrixx: nice :) | 18:20 |
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| dispersed | is it possible / straightforward to grab the code of the documents app and modify it? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | what'd you like to improve? | 19:41 |
| dispersed | i would like automatic scrolling, because my finger tires of swiping... I have pdfs formatted in single column, fast to read etc. | 19:42 |
| dispersed | it's even hard to focus with eyes with the constant acceleration and deceleration going on | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | if you're patient, there'll be news in this particular area in the near future | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | qml should probably be on the device though | 19:43 |
| dispersed | so it would be possible to edit it directly? but I think if there's already work in progress, I'll just wait :) | 19:44 |
| dispersed | thanks for the input | 19:45 |
| dispersed | i'm unfamiliar with the basic OS so I have no idea how to find the files for a package etc. | 19:46 |
| CoderCandy | I got myself a surface pro 2 today | 19:48 |
| CoderCandy | ... I can barely use the windows metro | 19:48 |
| CoderCandy | I'm to used to sailfish gestures | 19:48 |
| CoderCandy | So I always try to minimise by swiping in from the side | 19:48 |
| CoderCandy | and close by swiping from the top | 19:48 |
| CoderCandy | But noo, I have to press a stupid home button :( | 19:48 |
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| ortylp | does anyone know how to fix missing audio from android apps? | 20:01 |
| ortylp | I have tried workaround specified in https://together.jolla.com/question/4101/android-apps-loses-audio-resolved/ but it does not work any more | 20:01 |
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