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| chem|st | Teme: I want a psion/communicator maemo device ever since but noone ever listens to the people with money only to the people with less money but more volume | 01:09 |
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| chem|st | I'd don't care about paying 600eur for a state of the art psion | 01:10 |
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| CoderCandy | Hmm, my jolla has been suprisingly stable lately... | 01:28 |
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| covox | phwoar http://www.digitoday.fi/vimpaimet/2014/04/16/nokias-dirty-secret-the-untold-story-of-a-production-ready-tablet-from-2001/20145483/66 | 01:46 |
| covox | a tablet with a PS/2 port | 01:48 |
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| lpotter | CoderCandy: good to hear | 03:00 |
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| Nicd- | hey, who here had the problem about wanting to have two google accounts on the device? at least tbr talked about it | 05:36 |
| Nicd- | because I have a 'Google Settings' app which has an option to add a new account | 05:36 |
| Waitee | isnt that seen only through android apps? | 05:39 |
| Nicd- | I have it as a separate app in the app grid | 05:40 |
| Nicd- | I didn't add it myself though, it came when installing Google Play | 05:40 |
| Waitee | yeah me too | 05:40 |
| Waitee | but the account you configure through the google settings is only seen by other android apps | 05:41 |
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| Waitee | as the google account you configure through jolla settings is seen by the sailfishos mail, calendar etc | 05:42 |
| Waitee | correct me if im wrong | 05:42 |
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| Nicd- | yes, but they were specifically talking about having two google accounts for dalvik | 05:44 |
| Nicd- | I forgot to specify that | 05:44 |
| Waitee | ohh | 05:45 |
| Waitee | then it should work | 05:45 |
| Nicd- | yeah, I wonder if some people don't have that app then | 05:51 |
| tbr | Nicd-: I used to, but it didn't work properly for me, now it's gone completely IIRC | 05:52 |
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| thp | coderus: probably tagged too late, will land in the next update most likely | 06:46 |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, why does fingerterm -> devel-su and ssh nemo@jolla -> devel-su have different bash histories? | 08:53 |
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| ggabriel | mcfrisk: terminal doesn't load .bashrc basically, there is a workaround in tjc | 08:56 |
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| ggabriel | s/terminal/terminal when launched from application launcher/ | 08:56 |
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| mcfrisk | but terminal app has a bash history, but it's not /home/nemo/.bash_history or /root/.bash_history | 08:57 |
| mcfrisk | sigh, Linux io schedulers, a find / on jolla causes bad hickups on mp3 playback... | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | mcfrisk: I told you the root cause, you can find out why the bash history is different ;-) | 08:59 |
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| mcfrisk | ggabriel: thanks, from https://together.jolla.com/question/5561/make-fingertermbash-startup-execute-standard-profilebashrc-scripts/ I see that fingerterm starts /bin/sh so the history files are /root/.sh_history and /home/nemo/.sh_history instead of the bash ones | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | yup, makes sense | 09:05 |
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| ggabriel | maybe /bin/sh is not a symlink to bash | 09:05 |
| mcfrisk | well, user nemo has shell set to /bin/bash in /etc/password so it should be obeyed, IMO | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | it's been said before that invoker is not doing the right thing | 09:06 |
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| rubdos | So, just asked the question in #sailfishos, I was directed hereto, what about Samsung G S3 vs Jolla phone? I'm probably buying two of them by this eve. | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: samsung sucks and jolla rocks? :) | 09:08 |
| rubdos | ggabriel, fact | 09:08 |
| chem|st | rubdos: told you^^ | 09:08 |
| rubdos | I don't mind having a biased view :P | 09:08 |
| suosaask1 | if you are buying two, buy both :) | 09:09 |
| rubdos | chem|st, indeed lol | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | in my experience: samsung poorer call quality/reception than jolla | 09:09 |
| sharpneli | rubdos: Not surprisingly it all boils down to if you want an android phone or not :D | 09:09 |
| rubdos | suosaask1, one for a friend, one for me | 09:09 |
| rubdos | sharing the shipping cost :) | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | samsung may have better specs such as 4 cores, more resolution | 09:09 |
| chem|st | well, software wise the OS is much faster compared to any samsung phones I touched ever | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | but whta's important to you is what matters | 09:09 |
| rubdos | ggabriel, is it? :D | 09:09 |
| rubdos | so, I'm an N9 user for about a year and a half, I love it | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: aside from my first comment, the rest is true in my experience | 09:10 |
| rubdos | that's why I'd do it | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | also, samsung can't run sailfish (at least yet) | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | so you'll get 2 different os's | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | nexus 4, on the other hand, can run sailfish, albeit without a few things that come with jolla | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | many of you may have received a mail from me now ;) | 09:10 |
| rubdos | So, Jolla feels more snappy than my fathers S3? If so, I'll be happy :P | 09:10 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: didn't | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: fwiw, i have a sony xperia sp (2 core, 1.7GHz), and it feel slooooow in comparison to jolla+sailfish | 09:11 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps, that probably means everyone except for me? :P | 09:11 |
| rubdos | ggabriel, sold | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | if you're on early adopter list, it should come.. | 09:11 |
| rubdos | thank you lol | 09:11 |
| * ggabriel smells sailfish for sammy's sgs3 | 09:12 | |
| rubdos | Will I still be early when buying tonight? :P | 09:12 |
| suosaask1 | for some reason all the android phones seem to have insane specs and still no better performance than the competitors (sailfish, ios, windows phone) | 09:12 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I just said 'here' for the list... did I need to do more? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: lemme check.. | 09:12 |
| rubdos | suosaask1, that's pretty obvious; java | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: lack of multitasking helps with the feel of a slow os | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: anyway, if you didn't talk to sledges about it and give name/nickname/email and devices, you're not on the list | 09:13 |
| rubdos | hehehe fact | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | just prod him about it and i'll send a few more copies out, it's sailfish nexus 4 update | 09:13 |
| rubdos | Okay, great, I'm sold. Gonna shower and start studying chemistry. ordering this eve, thank you guys :) | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: ask in an android forum too | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | chances are... they won't know what sailfish/jolla is anyway | 09:13 |
| rubdos | ggabriel, that's why I'm here | 09:14 |
| rubdos | perhaps in #android? ^^ | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | i suggest you watch videos | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | check current issues in together.jolla.com | 09:14 |
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| ggabriel | before you come to a decision | 09:14 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: nvm, the nexus 7 and gtab2.7 can wait | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | or, if 400e isn't too much to you, just get it | 09:14 |
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| chem|st | rubdos: there are still issues, despite the fact that jolla calls it stable it is still beta or even alpha at some points | 09:15 |
| rubdos | chem|st, my n9 crashed this week. Several times. Jolla will be stabler. :P | 09:15 |
| rubdos | also, the other guy uses a Windows phone | 09:15 |
| rubdos | so he'll be fine too lol | 09:16 |
| suosaask1 | I would just buy the "real" jolla phone instead of an android phone if the intention is to run jolla on it. At least it should have the best support. | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | my n9 is pretty stable | 09:16 |
| suosaask1 | *run sailfish on it | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | it does feel very slow in comparison too | 09:16 |
| rubdos | ggabriel, it is much. But I don't think it'll be too much | 09:16 |
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| rubdos | ggabriel, n9 feels slow compared to Jolla? great | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: very slow | 09:17 |
| chem|st | rubdos: kind off, the last two upgrades managed to get it stable enough for me, first it did not reboot on its own anymore, then I needed to reboot it by hand quiet often and now none of it | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | it's a very old phone by today's standards | 09:17 |
| rubdos | It is old :( | 09:17 |
| rubdos | chem|st, I'm rebooting the n9 about twice a day. I reflashed it about four times now | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: uhm... sounds like a hw issue then... | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | let me tell you my n9's uptime | 09:18 |
| suosaask1 | twice a day? :o | 09:18 |
| suosaask1 | I reboot my phone like twice a year... | 09:18 |
| chem|st | rubdos: yeah my N9's modem was failing that is why I swapped to jolla in the firstplace even without it being properly operational | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: 17 days and counting | 09:18 |
| rubdos | ggabriel, don't know... My camera also says: "camera does not respond, try again or reboot" | 09:18 |
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| suosaask1 | (well, twice a year in addition to software update reboots) | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: made in .cn or .fi? | 09:19 |
| TemeV | For N9 user, I could not recommend anything else than Jolla :) | 09:19 |
| rubdos | ggabriel, don't know, where can I see? I'm located in Belgium. | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: normally in the sim card tray | 09:19 |
| rubdos | TemeV, thought so :P | 09:19 |
| rubdos | lemmesee | 09:19 |
| rubdos | Where in the sim tray? :P | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | rubdos: back side I think | 09:20 |
| rubdos | made in Fi | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | interesting | 09:20 |
| rubdos | Oh yeh | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | mine still works as new, you were probably unlukcy (or dropped it a few times too many) | 09:20 |
| rubdos | lost all my contacts and messages yesterday | 09:20 |
| rubdos | I had a backup of 4 months old, luckily | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | rubdos: sounds like your emmc might be rotting | 09:21 |
| chem|st | I have a preproduction N9 | 09:21 |
| rubdos | Which I had to break open | 09:21 |
| rubdos | Stskeeps, well, exactly what I think | 09:21 |
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| rubdos | I had to get into the backup files, search for the meta.db, look into the table structure and wrote a python script to extract the contcat | 09:22 |
| chem|st | it works as long as I do not use the modem chip | 09:22 |
| rubdos | contacts * , I'm happy now :P | 09:22 |
| rubdos | chem|st, so, no calls? Or just no 3G via usb? | 09:22 |
| chem|st | rubdos: I don't use it as phone | 09:22 |
| suosaask1 | n9 sometimes did lose the messages but they came back after a reboot. Contacts I always had synced from online account... | 09:23 |
| rubdos | chem|st, as mp3 player + browser then? | 09:23 |
| chem|st | well when I use it as navigation device it is getting hickups from the chip | 09:23 |
| rubdos | suosaask1, I hoped I had synced them | 09:23 |
| rubdos | chem|st, lol | 09:23 |
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| rubdos | But err, gotta shower now | 09:24 |
| rubdos | ttyl :p | 09:24 |
| chem|st | all for a sudden after crossing the german border from france the gps put me 50m to the left of my driving direction | 09:24 |
| rubdos | chem|st, should have been UK* instead of German | 09:24 |
| chem|st | :D | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: that's the germans putting you on the right track... | 09:24 |
| chem|st | enjoy your shower! | 09:24 |
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| mcfrisk | are there tricks to get offline maps to Jolla? Traveling for easter and would like to have some maps in jolla too. Browsed destination area a bit so it might stay in cache.. | 09:26 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: it took a complete reset of the modem driver to recover and that was really not funny as I never was in that part before and had no idea where to go... now I am back to looking up my routes by hand before I start trips again | 09:26 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: currently android only | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: ofc i was joking, you mentioned already that your n9's modem/gps/etc are kaput | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | shame really | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | mine works great as a sports tracker and offline maps still do the job | 09:27 |
| chem|st | if you have a space problem with that I can guide you to putting android on the sdcard | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | but i don't drive, so not really sure how it'd work in a car | 09:28 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: yeah the maps are awesome, I am so glad nokia holds on to the business - just, would be nice to get some love on our jollas | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: sadly, jolla maps are as good as google maps, not sure they'll want to differentiate there. i'd love to buy a HERE application with offline maps tho | 09:29 |
| chem|st | I do not know what jolla thought by not having nokia put the full blown here on the device, I think noone would bother an Xtra 20€ or something for having it preinstalled | 09:30 |
| chem|st | but being the N9 successor without maps is like a car without seats, you can use it but it is very uncomfortable | 09:32 |
| stephg | chem|st: but the car is sooooo shiny :) | 09:32 |
| ggabriel | yeah, well, the n9 successor isn't really an official thing | 09:32 |
| chem|st | stephg: does not help it does it :D | 09:33 |
| ggabriel | at least jolla is thinking about it | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: as a general comment, 20 EUR on a SW BoM is huuuge | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | i can't comment the here stuff | 09:33 |
| ggabriel | phone price is pretty steep as it is IMO | 09:34 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: SW BoM? | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | i don't think bad decisions were made | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: bill of materials | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | for sw | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | adds on top of bill of materials for hw | 09:34 |
| chem|st | sure but, don't do that 399 stuff but rather 444 or even 666 and you track attention with the number itself... | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | lol | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | i'd buy a phone for 666 just because of the price, true | 09:35 |
| chem|st | noone with an IQ above average buys that .99 is cheap thing anyways | 09:36 |
| TheBootroo_work | chem|st: the real question is : at the moment, what is average IQ ? | 09:37 |
| TheBootroo_work | i think that thing is getting low these days | 09:38 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo_work: ehrm ok then above average intelligence... (IQ is a really wrong measure anyways) | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | IQ=internet quality? i have fiber to the cabinet, so it must be high! | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: \o/ | 09:39 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: the whole city has fiber and for the 666 reason it is all DARKfiber :D | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo_work | chem|st: what kind of intelligence ? memory ?logic ? intuition ? abstraction skills ? artistic genius ? | 09:39 |
| Pnuu | NSA? | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: good, good (with the emperor's voice) | 09:40 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: military intelligence is an oxymoron | 09:40 |
| TheBootroo_work | chem|st: XD | 09:40 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo_work: really? | 09:40 |
| Pnuu | but NSA isn't military | 09:40 |
| Pnuu | it's, umm, something | 09:41 |
| chem|st | and is no intelligence agency | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | national spy agency | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | not sure national to what, but national nonetheless | 09:41 |
| chem|st | seems more like NatoSpyAgency to me | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, this went south quickly.. | 09:42 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: yeah! party on wayne! | 09:42 |
| TheBootroo_work | Not So Anonymous | 09:43 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: what are the numbers on something like maps or 3rd party software for a batch of 50k devices? like 5€? | 09:44 |
| TheBootroo_work | Nuking Some Asses | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: now that's something i can't say :) | 09:44 |
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| chem|st | cant or wont? | 09:48 |
| ln- | or can't or won't | 09:48 |
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| chem|st | ln-: thanks seems my fingers are not pressing hard enough this morning | 09:49 |
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| chem|st | ok, just to have a figure that seems notably right, 20eur per device equals a nice and shiny 1M that is 5 people for 6month on it plus revenue for the maps... | 09:51 |
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| tabasko | bug? I had sms conversation with two contacts A and B. After this I tried to send sms to only for contact B by choosing its own conversation. Jolla decided to send it also for A and sent message shows in all conversations, A,B and group sms A+B :) | 10:03 |
| tabasko | sorry for confusing explanation | 10:03 |
| chem|st | tabasko: there is a question on tjc for this issue | 10:04 |
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| tabasko | hmm, cant find it | 10:06 |
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| flux | yeah, I once sent a message to a couple people and now to send only to one of them I always need to go through people/person/send sms | 10:08 |
| flux | I hope they are not going to the two places :) | 10:08 |
| tabasko | good thing that there was nothing personal, but this could break some relationships :D | 10:08 |
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| chem|st | tabasko: yeah me neither, it was a while back and it seems to not have the right tags | 10:10 |
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| chem|st | tabasko: open a new one, someone knowing the question will hit you with "duplicate" | 10:14 |
| tabasko | flux: it seems that also deleting group conversation lest me send private sms too :) | 10:14 |
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| Waitee | hmm | 10:17 |
| tabasko | chem|st: I think this is it: https://together.jolla.com/question/30433/replying-to-a-reply-of-a-multiple-recipients-sms-can-cause-huge-embarrassment/ | 10:18 |
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| chem|st | tabasko: yeah you found it | 10:19 |
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| chem|st | tabasko: I reopened it as the linked dupe does not quiet cover the issue | 10:23 |
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| tabasko | chem|st: also commented and pasted what I whined here :) | 10:27 |
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| chem|st | yep seen it | 10:32 |
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| sharpneli | Oh man. What I would give to have OpenGL ES3 drivers on Jolla :E | 11:03 |
| sharpneli | The HW supports it allright | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | are you sure? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | there's two variants of adreno 305 | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | one that's clocker higher afaik | 11:03 |
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| sharpneli | That's just a raw perf issue. Not a feature issue. | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, ok | 11:04 |
| sharpneli | Actually I think 305 will support 3.1 eventually. | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 11:04 |
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| sharpneli | You got the android 4.1.1 or whatnot HW implementation from Qualcomm? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | there's User-mode driver binaries for Qualcomm’s Adreno 3xx GPU on Nexus 4, 5 & 7 devices running Google Android 4.4.2 KitKat | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | 4.1.2 and yes | 11:05 |
| sharpneli | Yes. ES3 came out only on 4.3 | 11:05 |
| sharpneli | I tried to meddle with those but they seem to have different kernel modules | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | kernel modules are fixable | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | but android side isn't really | 11:06 |
| sharpneli | That would basically require the basing of the device as 4.3 or 4.4 android. | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | and well, needless to say, not reaaaaly going to happen | 11:07 |
| sharpneli | Yup. | 11:07 |
| sharpneli | And most of the stuff is available as extensions in the old QC driver in anycase. | 11:07 |
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| HtheB | Sfiet_Konstantin: ping | 12:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | HtheB: pong | 12:31 |
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| HtheB | I've read your post a couple times about the tweak | 12:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 12:32 |
| HtheB | for jolla | 12:32 |
| HtheB | and I didnt understand about the lipstick stuff | 12:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | basically, I have a patched upstream that allows exposing the QML internals | 12:32 |
| HtheB | hmm | 12:33 |
| HtheB | so if I want to enable the swipe to get settings, do I also need to apply the lipstick | 12:33 |
| HtheB | (that sounds so bad....) | 12:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes, you need | 12:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | without that, you cannot apply homescreen patches | 12:34 |
| HtheB | ok, what about this statement: You can try OBS packages if you want, but I recommand OpenRepos. (Except for pandora enabled lipstick) | 12:34 |
| HtheB | so if I enable lipstick, shouldn't I use the patches on openrepos | 12:34 |
| HtheB | ? | 12:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | HtheB: because I don't push them in OpenRepos: too much risk to break an update | 12:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nope, it is just that you should use everything coming from OpenRepos, except the lipstick (since it is not on OpenRepos) | 12:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 12:35 |
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| HtheB | ah! now I understand it | 12:35 |
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| Azog | 12:36 | |
| * HtheB installs the patches | 12:36 | |
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| HtheB | Sfiet_Konstantin: tnx! | 12:48 |
| HtheB | just a couple questions: edit mode title visible < what exactly does this | 12:50 |
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| HtheB | ok, I found what it used for! :P | 12:55 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | I need to add that page that shows description of the patch in PM | 12:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I'm too lazy :D | 12:58 |
| HtheB | :D | 12:58 |
| HtheB | one thing I didnt understand | 12:59 |
| HtheB | is "control center" | 12:59 |
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| HtheB | I've notice that "events view control center" shows the control center in the events menu (finally!) | 12:59 |
| HtheB | but, what does the "default" control center ?do | 13:00 |
| HtheB | do? * | 13:00 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | HtheB: on the right ambience panel | 13:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | events view control center will be part of pandora-box quite soon | 13:06 |
| Skorpy | Finally got the pull request correct. :P (sevanteri here) | 13:09 |
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| matrixx | any tips, my android apps crash on launch after update? | 13:24 |
| matrixx | I've rebooted, but didn't help | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: release notes say they'll upgrade i think | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | as in android dexopt | 13:25 |
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| matrixx | they upgraded | 13:25 |
| matrixx | I haven't tried to launch any but now several days later | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 13:25 |
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| matrixx | and they all consistently show the cover a while but then close | 13:26 |
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| HtheB | Sfiet_Konstantin: thats what I try to do, like on the video you've shown on the first post | 13:27 |
| matrixx | if anything other helps, need to reinstall android support + apps, but wouldn't like to go there yet | 13:27 |
| HtheB | but it doesnt go to the right :p | 13:27 |
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| matrixx | nothing other | 13:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | HtheB: where does it go ? | 13:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nowhere ? | 13:27 |
| HtheB | up and down only | 13:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | add an ambiance as fav | 13:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in gallery | 13:27 |
| HtheB | done, restarting lipstick | 13:29 |
| HtheB | yaay | 13:29 |
| HtheB | thanks | 13:30 |
| HtheB | but yeah, the eventsview is much better though, like I've told here https://together.jolla.com/question/4568/settings-quick-switches-connections-available-easier/ | 13:30 |
| HtheB | There is 1 favor to ask you though | 13:31 |
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| HtheB | can you change the date view in lock screen a bit more down? (or below the clock) so you can see the date by peeking | 13:31 |
| HtheB | I used that a lot on Harmattan, peeking to see the date (yes, after modding the clock by adding the date next to it) | 13:32 |
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| louisdk | My friend has a Jolla that have random reboots. I've looked at together and found the paper trick, however the battery don't feel loose. | 14:07 |
| TemeV | louisdk, it's not supposed to fix loose battery, but insufficient "spring force" of the contacts | 14:12 |
| TemeV | I'd still like to see someone shoot that theory down, because I just can't believe that would be the problem :) | 14:13 |
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| louisdk | TemeV: That loose conection would be the reason to the ramdom reboots? | 14:17 |
| TemeV | Well, that means that there is some resistance between battery and phone, which causes voltages drops, which might cause a shutdown/reboot | 14:18 |
| TemeV | just a theory really. No one has confirmed this | 14:19 |
| TemeV | or maybe some Sailor has, but at least it seems not to be public information :) | 14:20 |
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| TemeV | but the paper most likely does no harm, so it is worth of try | 14:20 |
| louisdk | TemeV: After updating to 1.0.5.16 he only has about one reboot per day. I've taken the battery out for half an hour now | 14:21 |
| louisdk | and et might have helped- | 14:21 |
| louisdk | TemeV: How big a piece of paper then? | 14:22 |
| TemeV | maybe fold it once or twise. So that you don't need force to put the battery back | 14:23 |
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| TMavica | stskeeps, do u know local offline storage location?? | 14:36 |
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| goroboro | TMavica: which local offline storage? do you mean /home/nemo/.local/share/<AppName>/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/ | 14:57 |
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| TMavica | got it thanks | 14:59 |
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| lunatix | hi everyone | 15:11 |
| lunatix | my loudspeaker doesn't work anymore | 15:12 |
| lunatix | can't find a decisive way to define wether it's hw or sw issue :( | 15:13 |
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| mord | what does very rapid red blinking (of the generic notification led) mean? usually if i have wifi hotspot on and speak on the phone for extended periods (telcos and such), the device eventually becomes unresponsive, meaning i can't for example unmute. wifi hotspot dies at this point. if i then press power, i get rapid red blinking, black screen and no way to interact with the phone unless i reboot it. the call doesn't get dropped though | 15:18 |
| locusf | IIRC that was the btrfs syncing | 15:19 |
| mord | ah ok | 15:20 |
| mord | it does take quite a while, meaning minutes, easily | 15:20 |
| mord | haven't seen the device actually recover from that state but i may have been impatient | 15:20 |
| mord | i've only encountered this if i have the wifi hotspot on | 15:21 |
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| mord | it's not that infrequent either, happened three times today already | 15:22 |
| mord | i'll try to reproduce with a shell | 15:24 |
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| flux | dmesg shows anything interesting? | 15:25 |
| flux | and then of course the logs (journalctl -f) | 15:25 |
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| mord | that's just it, haven't reproduced that yet with debugging capabilities | 15:26 |
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| mord | just a prelim check whether this is a known thing | 15:26 |
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| mord | also, had to resolve the situation with a reboot so the kernel ring buffer at least was lost | 15:27 |
| mord | will investigate further | 15:28 |
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| TMavica | what is the package name to install all virtual keyboard??? | 17:48 |
| TMavica | i lost all.. | 17:48 |
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| TMavica | nth now | 17:56 |
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| clau | anyone knows what fast blinking red led means? I had a freeze while using an adroid app, and then I got it. | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | clau: able to ssh in? | 18:06 |
| Yaniel | "something not very nice happened" generally | 18:06 |
| clau | sorry, I already rebooted it (battery off) | 18:07 |
| clau | I was away from home and needed the phone. | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:08 |
| clau | I'll do it next time, if possible. | 18:08 |
| flanag | Btw, has anyone got reboots with the new update? I haven't yet. | 18:08 |
| clau | Also, one thing that might matter: I am in another network, back to Romania. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | install gdb while you have access | 18:08 |
| clau | I never, ever, had any problems before this. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:08 |
| Yaniel | no reboots since the update yet | 18:08 |
| clau | Is it possible that the network is doing something that triggers it? | 18:09 |
| Yaniel | oh right | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | red led is panic because lipstick isn't answering | 18:10 |
| Yaniel | would it be possible to add more image formats to the camera? | 18:10 |
| Yaniel | the jpgs it takes currently are horribly noisy | 18:11 |
| clau | I see. | 18:11 |
| kimmoli | now i need to get some drinksu ftw -- https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/456856139075190784/photo/1 | 18:11 |
| clau | another thing, I am trying to sync contacts from an old Nokia E71, and it fails. Is this a known issue? | 18:11 |
| Sail0r | flying back to my jolla today :). I am so glad getting it back and to retire the galaxy s2 ;) | 18:12 |
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| clau | I can probably work around this, though it's quite unpleasent because E71 can only export one contact per vcf apparently. | 18:13 |
| Sail0r | nice kimmoli | 18:14 |
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| ggabriel | clau: sync'ing via bluetooth? | 18:28 |
| clau | yes | 18:28 |
| ggabriel | worth checking tjc/reporting them, as latest update claims it's compatible with those phones | 18:29 |
| clau | I was trying from Settings -> Bluetooth sync | 18:29 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, i tried with the n9 and while it didn't fail per se, some contacts were imported wrongly (only the phone number) | 18:29 |
| clau | Let me try from People -> From device with Bluetooth, although I assume it's the same | 18:29 |
| ggabriel | i exported all the vcf's, concatenated in one big file, and imported it in the jolla, that worked better | 18:29 |
| clau | N9 worked for me too; I have only spotted some issues with contacts that had IM accounts too | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | if you have an e71 and an n9, why not go e71->n9->jolla? | 18:30 |
| clau | is it enought to concatenate vcf's? I will do the same for the exported ones from e71 | 18:30 |
| clau | don't have the n9 here :( | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | clau: yeah, cat *vcf > contacts.vcf | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | but I can only tell you from an N9 perspective, if your vcf's have issues in symbian and don't get imported, then I don't know | 18:31 |
| clau | I'll give it a try soon(ish) | 18:31 |
| ggabriel | (tm) | 18:31 |
| clau | it's also possible that this e71 has an older version of symbian, which may be the issue here | 18:32 |
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| clau | it imported 700, out of 703. And it's possible those 3 were already existing. | 18:40 |
| ggabriel | hehe, ine did 504/505 | 18:40 |
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| ggabriel | s/ine/mine/ | 18:40 |
| ggabriel | i bet the missing one is one i should never answer | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | and now i'll never know!! | 18:41 |
| clau | did you have that number maybe? or it just failed processing the vcf :\ | 18:41 |
| clau | hahaha | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | i don't know the missing one ofc | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | and the logs aren't helpful enough | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | not that i carre | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | care | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | i can easily ramp up a couple of thousand friends in facebook if i really want to ;-) | 18:42 |
| clau | :D | 18:42 |
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| ggabriel | they copied an idea posted in tjc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiUPPU8wCZA | 19:02 |
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| laehtis | so how's everyones Easter? sailing happily? | 20:22 |
| Pnuu | brb | 20:23 |
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| Khertan_ | Stskeeps: plop | 20:48 |
| Khertan_ | Stskeeps: got sudden shutdown, then restart and battery at 4% any need some logs ? | 20:49 |
| Yaniel | how likely is it that it was just the battery running out then? | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | I get that occasionally too | 20:50 |
| laehtis | did it happen from full charge? | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | battery occasionally dropping from like 80% to empty, with immediate shutdown.. then on booting again, it says something like 70% | 20:51 |
| laehtis | latest firmware? | 20:51 |
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| Nokius | Get your Jolla into the Siepattu mode with the Siepattu Ambience | 20:52 |
| Nokius | https://openrepos.net/content/nokius/siepattu-ambience | 20:52 |
| Nokius | Happy Hacking | 20:52 |
| Yaniel | heh, nice | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | llatest indeed | 20:53 |
| Nokius | may some has a better picture for the background :) to fix the time readability | 20:53 |
| laehtis | okay. Could be a battery problem? | 20:53 |
| laehtis | nice Nokius! now waiting somebody to make TOH;) | 20:54 |
| Khertan_ | yeah last update, ... not battery or phone problem come back from repair :) | 20:54 |
| Nokius | laehtis: :) | 20:54 |
| Khertan_ | since repair that's happen only one time | 20:54 |
| Khertan_ | i was using an android apps ... suspect more a bug | 20:55 |
| laehtis | okay, odd. What Android apps if I may ask? | 20:55 |
| Khertan_ | quoda | 20:55 |
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| Khertan_ | and shutdown, then battery to 4% is quite suspect | 20:57 |
| laehtis | could be a compatibility bug with app but the battery procent decrease can't be explained that way | 20:58 |
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| laehtis | does it always decrese to 4% if you have had problems before? | 20:58 |
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| Nokius | btw happy easter | 20:59 |
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| Khertan_ | problem before repair was connection lodt, sim connection lost, and frequent sudden reboot, then start and battery at 4% | 21:00 |
| Khertan_ | so yes :) | 21:00 |
| laehtis | happy easter!! | 21:00 |
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| Pnuu | "good that romans nailed a guy to a crosstrainer" | 21:02 |
| laehtis | odd. Have you tried to pull battery out after that and checked if the level is still 4%? | 21:02 |
| Pnuu | no, still doesn't fix superstitions | 21:03 |
| Pnuu | (I'll get mi coat) | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | if anyone has problems with tiles not downloading in modRana | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | I've just pushed an update to OpenRepos that fixes just that :) | 21:05 |
| Khertan_ | laethis, was trying to read logs before :) | 21:07 |
| Khertan_ | not easy | 21:07 |
| * Khertan_ hate systemd | 21:07 | |
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| Yaniel | systemd is nice | 21:09 |
| M4rtinK | journalctl | grep "foo" ? | 21:09 |
| M4rtinK | (as root, otherwise the log seems almost empty) | 21:09 |
| Khertan_ | M4rtinK: it s contain log dince boot only | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | or just journalctl and it will open a pager | 21:10 |
| Khertan_ | since | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that's the default setting IIRC | 21:10 |
| Khertan_ | yeah | 21:10 |
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| Khertan_ | do not ask me what i think about it | 21:11 |
| laehtis | okay Khertan! you bet | 21:11 |
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| laehtis | Nokius: Can I tweet your Siepattu Ambience? | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | in /etc/systemd/journald.conf | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | change Storage=volatile to Storage=persistent | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | that should make the log persist across reboots | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | (according to https://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/) | 21:15 |
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| Khertan_ | M4rtinK: i should write a py parser for readibg that logs | 21:17 |
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| Khertan_ | hehe after reboot battery at 53% | 21:26 |
| Khertan_ | also i got two call this evening and i didn t ear phone ringing | 21:27 |
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| laehtis | try warm battery out (battery put when phone is on) | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | They usually tell you to take out battery for 10 minutes | 21:29 |
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| stephg | ShadowJK: the battery 10 minute thing is usually for unexplained reboots | 21:33 |
| stephg | laehtis: I asked if that was safe and was told 'no' so caveat lector ;) | 21:34 |
| laehtis | stephg: yes, agree. I thought adding "at your own risk". | 21:35 |
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| Khertan_ | 3 shutdown in a row | 21:38 |
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| stephg | Khertan_: pull the battery then | 21:39 |
| Khertan_ | done, else i ll get 4 or more :) | 21:39 |
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| flanag | Khertan_: I have usually got away from that kind of "shutdowns in a row" by skipping the PIN code and leaving it for a while and then inputting the PIN later through settings. Otherwise it would have continued shutting down. I just wanted to tell this if you are ever in a situation where you can't just remove the battery. :) | 21:41 |
| Khertan_ | no pin code or lock code here | 21:42 |
| laehtis | Khertan: after reboot, let the phone settle for minutes | 21:43 |
| flanag | Khertan_: Ok, well then the option would be removing the SIM | 21:43 |
| flanag | as it the reboots are connection related (at least for me) | 21:43 |
| flanag | *as the.. | 21:43 |
| laehtis | flanag: or before reboot turning the airplane mode on, that would do with connections, or? | 21:45 |
| Khertan_ | or do not use it as a phone ? | 21:45 |
| flanag | laehtis: well, you would have to be fast because when it has happened to me, it just keeps shutting down after entering the PIN | 21:45 |
| Khertan_ | it shutdown here before ui is available | 21:46 |
| flanag | Khertan_: ah well, that has happened to my Jolla to | 21:46 |
| flanag | *too | 21:46 |
| laehtis | okay... so, no then. | 21:47 |
| Khertan_ | ok even with persitent mode | 21:47 |
| Khertan_ | no log before boot | 21:47 |
| Khertan_ | fucking systemd | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | don't you need to create the log directory manually | 21:49 |
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| Khertan_ | ? | 21:50 |
| Yaniel | /var/log/journal | 21:50 |
| Yaniel | /var/log/journal/ | 21:51 |
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| flanag | so as Khertan_ is probably on 1.0.5.16, the fixes introduced don't seem to help with the problem.. I haven't got a reboot yet with the new update but I'm waiting for that to happen :/ | 21:51 |
| Khertan_ | didn t got since jolla returb from repair | 21:52 |
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| Khertan_ | one week ago, but that s happen again | 21:52 |
| Khertan_ | Yaniel: dir exist | 21:53 |
| Khertan_ | Yaniel: or does there is hidden cmd to read logs from previous boot ? | 21:54 |
| Yaniel | should not be | 21:54 |
| Khertan_ | does systemd require sacrifying a chikeb just to read a log ? | 21:54 |
| Khertan_ | chicken | 21:55 |
| Yaniel | I haven't had to do anything like that | 21:55 |
| Khertan_ | seriously text, that's why too much simple, sone engineer thibks that's was too easy | 21:56 |
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| Khertan_ | </grumphy> | 21:57 |
| ShadowJK | Why yes, yes it does | 21:57 |
| ShadowJK | journalctl -a | less | 21:57 |
| ShadowJK | or smth like that | 21:57 |
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| Khertan_ | ShadowJK: no logs before boots | 21:58 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 21:58 |
| Khertan_ | ni | 21:58 |
| Khertan_ | no | 21:58 |
| ShadowJK | They are set to reset, iirc.... | 21:59 |
| ShadowJK | and there was way to make them not vanish, but I forget :( | 21:59 |
| Khertan_ | they are set persistent in conf | 21:59 |
| ShadowJK | I liked systemd logging when it worked | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast old style was so stupid, it was hard to break it completely | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 22:00 |
| Yaniel | what, man: no such command | 22:01 |
| Khertan_ | ShadowJK: the problem is that s never works | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | I dont really trust btrfs either... wish they'd gone for f2fs :( | 22:03 |
| Yaniel | so you sure that it is /var/log/journal/ that you have? | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | not /run/log/journal/ | 22:04 |
| Khertan_ | yeah | 22:04 |
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| Khertan_ | din t bother i ll going to sleeo put the jolla again in his box, and come back again to my good old n9 again as i need a stable phone for a trip | 22:06 |
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| Khertan_ | for the next day | 22:06 |
| Khertan_ | but ouch that s tge first time i got an such unstable gnu/linux | 22:08 |
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| Khertan_ | except when my graphic card was melted on my main como | 22:08 |
| Khertan_ | computer | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | interestingly, I have had hardly any problems | 22:12 |
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| Acce | yeah, me neither | 22:14 |
| Acce | I don't know if I'm just lucky or doing something differently | 22:14 |
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| Yaniel | maybe it has something to do with the pentagram on my desk | 22:15 |
| Khertan_ | boughr in first day? | 22:15 |
| Yaniel | first wave yes | 22:15 |
| Acce | well, I don't have any pentagrams... that I know of :D | 22:15 |
| Yaniel | :P (neither do I) | 22:15 |
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| Acce | I bought mine in the second wave, the day it arrived in dna shops | 22:16 |
| Khertan_ | hum, 12/2013 .. was thinking of faulty first rev | 22:16 |
| Khertan_ | but just come from repair | 22:16 |
| Khertan_ | come back | 22:16 |
| Acce | I have had occasional shutdowns and crashing of lipstick, but no bootloops or anything that would've required factory reset | 22:17 |
| Khertan_ | previously was rebooting 50 time a day with obly reset + update | 22:17 |
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| Khertan_ | with factory reset | 22:18 |
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