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| william_gen | EA2 for N4,wifi can not work,Ea1 works | 02:36 |
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| stephg | william_gen: works for me here | 07:55 |
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| william_gen | stephg: after rebooting,wifi works fine | 08:17 |
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| stephg | cool | 08:18 |
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| william_gen | In FingerTerm,right half is blank and outputed text can reach there(wrapped),how to correct that? | 08:18 |
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| stephg | william_gen: yeah I saw your message about that, I don't know as it's not happened to me. If it's a rendering thing, what happens if you swipe to the right to get to the settings page and then swipe left again, does that fix it? does the vkb also get hidden or just the terminal 'display'? | 08:19 |
| william_gen | can not fix it | 08:20 |
| stephg | hm | 08:20 |
| stephg | and does it hide the keyboard as well? | 08:20 |
| william_gen | hiden | 08:21 |
| william_gen | dimmed,not hiden | 08:21 |
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| stephg | oh | 08:22 |
| stephg | and tapping on the screen doesn't bring it to the foreground? | 08:22 |
| stephg | so you have no keyboard input at all then? | 08:22 |
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| william_gen | yes,can bring it to the foreground | 08:23 |
| william_gen | can input,just click screen to bring it to the foreground | 08:23 |
| stephg | kk | 08:23 |
| stephg | from your description does it look like then the terminal display is half the width it should be? if text is wrapping? | 08:24 |
| william_gen | wrapped | 08:24 |
| william_gen | right half have no text | 08:25 |
| stephg | can you put a screenshot up somewhere (assuming you have ssh) | 08:25 |
| william_gen | my ssh still can not link to my N4,sad | 08:26 |
| stephg | shame | 08:26 |
| william_gen | after instaling sailfishos | 08:26 |
| stephg | if it's on your wireless you can ssh into it that way, you don't have to use the usb networking :) | 08:26 |
| william_gen | maybe I take a photo by cemera | 08:28 |
| william_gen | can you receive the picture? | 08:28 |
| stephg | put it on imgur? | 08:29 |
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| stephg | then everyone can see! | 08:29 |
| stephg | :) | 08:29 |
| FiXion | hi guys. gallery app won't rotate view, when I view an image. | 08:29 |
| FiXion | browser won't rotate either. | 08:29 |
| FiXion | in display settings it's set to dynamic | 08:29 |
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| FiXion | I've tried everything I can think off, and google reveals noone else with the same issue :( | 08:30 |
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| FiXion | I've just updated to latest version. | 08:30 |
| FiXion | haven't tested before hand though. | 08:30 |
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| FiXion | anyone have any ideas? | 08:30 |
| osaton | i've had mine stuck in landscape mode. reboot solved that | 08:31 |
| FiXion | I'll try rebooting then :) | 08:31 |
| * FiXion just figured it wasn't windows... :) | 08:31 | |
| FiXion | and I just rebooted it yesterday, inserting my simcard. (finally switched to using it as my primary phone :) | 08:32 |
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| FiXion | ahh. I just figured it out. It only switches to landscape - when I turn it around counter-clockwise. if I do it clock-wise - nothing happens. | 08:33 |
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| FiXion | practical - but not intuitive :) | 08:36 |
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| william_gen | stephg: what's your locale? mine is zh_CN.utf8.this is the reason? | 08:37 |
| william_gen | FingerTrem | 08:37 |
| william_gen | my network speed linking to Imgur is very pool | 08:39 |
| william_gen | so uploading to Imgur is difficult | 08:40 |
| stephg | I'm en_GB.utf8 but the locale shouldn't matter | 08:41 |
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| william_gen | stephg: photo here: http://pan.baidu.com/s/1hqeJo48 | 08:47 |
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| Yaniel | hm yes it looks like it might be computing line width with fullwidth characters | 08:49 |
| william_gen | maybe | 08:49 |
| Yaniel | at least the cursor looks fullwidth | 08:50 |
| stephg | hmm, to change my locale and have to reflash as I won't be able to read it ;) | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: the command messages are in chinese? | 08:50 |
| william_gen | yes | 08:50 |
| Yaniel | it probably treats everything as fullwidth then | 08:50 |
| Yaniel | or at least the cells | 08:50 |
| william_gen | and cursor position is not correct | 08:51 |
| william_gen | cursor position is far away form text input position | 08:51 |
| Yaniel | cursor position would be correct if the characters acctually were fullwidth it seems? | 08:52 |
| Yaniel | to me it looks like it computes the grid size from fullwidth but character spacing from halfwidth | 08:52 |
| william_gen | maybe,but i wanna know how to correct | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: bug ^ | 08:54 |
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| Yaniel | william_gen: fix fingerterm ^^ | 08:54 |
| william_gen | how to? | 08:54 |
| Yaniel | the sources are on github | 08:55 |
| FiXion | anyone having issues with adding a general email account ? | 08:56 |
| FiXion | I just added mine.. twice. choose accept.. and then disabled that apps could use it as email account - and choose save. | 08:57 |
| FiXion | and then the email app says I have no accounts yet | 08:57 |
| FiXion | even though it, after I choose accept says "adding account" | 08:57 |
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| FiXion | it's a very large imap account | 08:58 |
| FiXion | but it should say something IMHO | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | "disabled that apps could use it as email account" | 08:59 |
| Nicd- | now the email app can't use it | 08:59 |
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| netzvieh | :D | 09:02 |
| FiXion | Nicd-: hopefully that's NOT what that means :) | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | I would guess it's exactly what it means | 09:04 |
| FiXion | how stupid would that be? | 09:04 |
| FiXion | it makes sense to NOT allow other apps to send email from my account | 09:04 |
| FiXion | I don't trust crappy android apps etc. | 09:04 |
| FiXion | and if that was the case - it should tell me this means I can't actually use the email account | 09:04 |
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| Nicd- | try it without disabling | 09:05 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: seems internal sdcard is mounted being owned by root on sailfishos on N4, | 09:07 |
| FiXion | Nicd-: you were right. | 09:08 |
| FiXion | wow that makes absolutely no sense | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: yeah it probably has to be, /data right? | 09:08 |
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| Nicd- | FiXion: it's probably there because it makes sense for other account types | 09:08 |
| william_gen | not /data | 09:09 |
| Nicd- | FiXion: like if you add a google account you might only want the contacts | 09:09 |
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| william_gen | /mnt/sdcard | 09:10 |
| FiXion | Nicd-: ahh. so it's a generic account addition thingy.. not obvious :) | 09:10 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: /mnt/sdcard | 09:10 |
| FiXion | Nicd-: thank you for the help | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | FiXion: you could search TJC and post there if one does not exist | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: /mnt/sdcard is a symlink to /data/somewhere isn't it | 09:11 |
| FiXion | Nicd-: TJC ? | 09:11 |
| Nicd- | FiXion: together.jolla.com | 09:11 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: /mnt/sdcard is a symbol link to /storage/emula | 09:12 |
| FiXion | like a bugreport :) | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: hmm and /storage/emulat is.. | 09:12 |
| william_gen | let me see | 09:12 |
| FiXion | I'll post one about improving that then :) | 09:12 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: /mnt/sdcard linked to /storage/emulated/legacy | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that's some odd process handing that isn't it | 09:15 |
| william_gen | should make ordinary user can access that internal sdcard on N4 | 09:16 |
| william_gen | but now ,only root can | 09:17 |
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| laehtis | william_gen: why is that so? | 09:25 |
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| william_gen | on internal sdcard,user stores film,book,mp3,and so on | 09:27 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: on internal sdcard,user stores film,book,mp3,and so on | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it's still in /data isn't it | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | not sure how it works | 09:28 |
| laehtis | yes but why root only? | 09:29 |
| Nicd- | laehtis: that's what he is wondering too :P | 09:29 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: in fact,only root user can 'cd' to /mnt/sdcard | 09:30 |
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| laehtis | Nicd: okay:D | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | william_gen: ls -al /mnt/scard | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | er | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | ls -al /mnt/sdcard | 09:31 |
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| william_gen | ok | 09:32 |
| william_gen | wait | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | tell me permissions of . | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | do it as root | 09:32 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2014-04-1808:41 sdcard -> storage/emulated/legacy | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok and ls -al /mnt/storage/emulated/legacy | 09:35 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2014-04-18 17:18 /storage/emulated/legacy ->/mnt/shell/emulated/0 | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | that is a lot of symlinks.. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | and ls -al /mnt/shell/emulated/0 | 09:39 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: no next, ls -al /mnt/shell/emulated/0 just list all files stored in internal sdcard,such as films,mp3,books | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | i need the first line of that | 09:42 |
| william_gen | ok | 09:42 |
| william_gen | total 502036 | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | okay, next one :P | 09:44 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: 'total 502036' | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | sorry :) | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | the one with . on it | 09:44 |
| william_gen | dir '.' | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | okay, i obviously am bad with unix today :) | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | drwxrwxr-x. 3 carsten carsten 4096 Apr 17 09:09 . | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | this one | 09:45 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: drwxrwxr-x 15 root sdcard_rw 4096 2014-04-18 08:32 . | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | hang | 09:46 |
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| william_gen | chown it now? | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | usermod -a -G sdcard_rw nemo | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | as root | 09:47 |
| william_gen | i see | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: for k | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | s | 09:48 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: usermod:group 'sdcard_rw' dont exist | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting | 09:51 |
| rubdos | Anything special about the other Other Halves in the Jolla store? I'm about to order and I'm thinking about those... do they have different functionalities, or are these just colors? :) | 09:51 |
| william_gen | now ok | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | rubdos: they have their own backgrounds, color shemes and notification sounds | 09:51 |
| rubdos | Nicd-, okay, great :) | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | just like the default OH that everyone gets | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | you can also now set your own sounds to them, so that by changing the OH you can change the ringtone for example | 09:52 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: this command is permanent or temporary? | 09:52 |
| rubdos | Nicd-, amazing :) | 09:53 |
| rubdos | Nicd-, red, black,red,black... What shall I take? :) | 09:53 |
| laehtis | have seen some pretty awesome OHs on twitter, qwerty and infrared imager, looking forward | 09:53 |
| Nicd- | that's up to you rubdos :P I just keep on my special ed OH | 09:53 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps:command is now ok,just now i make a typo | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:54 |
| rubdos | Nicd-, special edition? :O | 09:54 |
| rubdos | :D | 09:54 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: this command is permanent or temporary? | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | rubdos: it's the poppy red with the text 'The First One' | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: permanent for the installation | 09:54 |
| rubdos | Nicd-, :'( Should have ordered sooner :P | 09:54 |
| william_gen | i see | 09:54 |
| william_gen | thanks | 09:54 |
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| Nicd- | rubdos: it was only for the 100 € preorderers | 09:55 |
| rubdos | Nicd-, how do you like the poppy red? I'm a bit afraid it'll be too colorful | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | I like it | 09:55 |
| rubdos | ok | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | I think it's better than the white one | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | been thinking of the black one though | 09:55 |
| Sail0r | the black one is too normal ;) | 09:57 |
| rubdos | Nicd-, yeh, exactly... I've them both in my cart, but... Which one shall I dispose? :P | 09:57 |
| Nicd- | I can't make the choice for you | 09:57 |
| Sail0r | I never attach it ;) but I use the keira black ambience *g* | 09:57 |
| Sail0r | with the first one toh | 09:57 |
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| rubdos | What'll happen if I take them both? :/ | 09:59 |
| Nicd- | rubdos: here's mine: https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/JHWBYKp5JUg | 09:59 |
| rubdos | looks fabulous :D | 10:00 |
| laehtis | Nickd: red and black looks awesome combined, wow | 10:00 |
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| Nicd- | if you take them both, you can choose a new color every morning :P | 10:00 |
| sharefree | how are you all | 10:00 |
| sharefree | I want to buy jolla phone | 10:00 |
| sharefree | but it is not avaiable here yet | 10:00 |
| sharefree | why this discrimination | 10:00 |
| laehtis | where are you located? | 10:00 |
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| Quu | you can get one from ebay at about 3x price | 10:01 |
| rubdos | Quu, yes, because that is a solution hahaha : | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | sharefree: it's not discrimination, it's just they don't have the possibility to sell everywhere yet | 10:01 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: after 'usermod','cd'to '/mnt/sdcard/' still give me a error 'Insufficient permissions' | 10:01 |
| sharefree | laehtis, Nepal | 10:02 |
| ballock | william_gen: reboot | 10:02 |
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| william_gen | reboot already | 10:02 |
| ballock | in normal circumstances it would be log out and log back in... but how do you do that on a Jolla? | 10:02 |
| laehtis | sharefree: Okay, hopefully sales starts intercontinental too. You can always come to visit Finland;) | 10:03 |
| rubdos | ballock, quit your shell and reopen it, hoping it is a login shell? | 10:03 |
| ballock | type group | 10:03 |
| sharefree | guy i see ubuntu and tizen coming too | 10:03 |
| sharefree | So what do you think would happen to Sailfish OS now | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | they haven't shipped any phones, though | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | tizen has been around the corner for several years now | 10:03 |
| laehtis | Ubuntu phone looks nice and have gppd community behind it but I have no good feeling about Tizen... | 10:04 |
| ballock | william_gen: it should show the groups nemo is a member of; sdcard_rw should be on the list | 10:04 |
| william_gen | maybe must 'chown' | 10:04 |
| ballock | rubdos: well, if that would do it for lipstick... | 10:04 |
| pp | tizen might make it in automotive or somesuch | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: type 'groups' | 10:05 |
| rubdos | ballock, does it? :O | 10:05 |
| ballock | rubdos: how do I do that? Send bash a HUP signal? | 10:06 |
| pp | I suppose it's only alive since android wants a backup from google and intel wants something to sell their mobile chips on (tho android on atom would do just as well, they don't care) | 10:06 |
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| ballock | sharefree: Ubuntu has a bigger momentum, but I guess not a fraction of mobile experience compared to people hanging around here | 10:08 |
| rubdos | ballock, I thought you had a terminal opened up or so? I'm off for a second, wifi roaming is broken. brbr | 10:08 |
| ballock | rubdos: never mind | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | pp: yeah.. IVI is a fun area | 10:08 |
| william_gen | groups nemo is not a member of sdcard_rw . they are paratactic | 10:10 |
| ballock | no, just 'groups' | 10:10 |
| ballock | do a: | 10:11 |
| ballock | cat /etc/group |grep sdcard_rw | 10:11 |
| sharefree | but to be frank i feel the same way about sailish too | 10:11 |
| sharefree | it would not last if phone are not shipped worldwide | 10:11 |
| ballock | personally, I see some benefit from not shipping the phone officially to the US | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | sharefree: you're aware that to ship worldwide, you need to also correspond to local regulations, certifications, need care support,e tc? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | which isn't a trivial task :) | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | not to mentions fun with customs in those cases | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | you enter markets slowly in practice | 10:12 |
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| sharefree | so is sailfish os full linux on phone / | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it is | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | bash, coreutils, systemd, wayland | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | and that's the difference between let's say ubuntu touch and sailfish; we've factually productized a device and related OS, gotten it certified in head and butt, and had it battle tested with factual consumers and markets | 10:13 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: that's quite a quick 'full linux' definition, | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: it is | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | do you want a longer one? :P | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | please don't say GTK should be included | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:14 |
| william_gen | sdcard_r:x:1028: | 10:14 |
| william_gen | sdcard_rw:x:1015: | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: hmm | 10:14 |
| william_gen | cat /etc/group |grep sdcard | 10:14 |
| ballock | william_gen: try usermod again, and type what's the output | 10:14 |
| ballock | if there were any errors or so | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | as root: usermod -a -G sdcard_rw nemo | 10:15 |
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| ballock | Stskeeps: sorry for hijacking your support case ;) | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | no problem | 10:15 |
| ballock | william_gen: and do a cat /etc/group |grep sdcard afterwards | 10:16 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: <Stskeeps> as root: usermod -a -G sdcard_rw nemo, i did and reboot,but still can not 'cd' to /mnt/sdcard as an ordinary user | 10:17 |
| ballock | if it's there | 10:17 |
| sharefree | then we must promote Revolution phone | 10:17 |
| sharefree | as it might support Sailfish soon | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | or also promote the jolla phone, to bring some income to the OS :) | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's a tough choice | 10:17 |
| ballock | william_gen: 1. as root: usermod -a -G sdcard_rw nemo | 10:18 |
| ballock | 2. If there's no output, cat /etc/group |grep sdcard | 10:18 |
| ballock | (one way or the other, there's output, I want to see it) | 10:18 |
| ballock | 3. report | 10:18 |
| ballock | 4. if the nemo user is listed, reboot | 10:19 |
| ballock | 5. recheck | 10:19 |
| william_gen | sdcard_r:x:1028: | 10:19 |
| william_gen | sdcard_rw:x:1015:nemo | 10:19 |
| william_gen | cat /etc/group |grep sdcard | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | looks better indeed | 10:19 |
| ballock | william_gen: now see if it sustains a reboot | 10:19 |
| ballock | if it does, it should work. Otherwise do a chmod | 10:19 |
| william_gen | have rebooted | 10:20 |
| ballock | or wait for sledges to fix the .ks and for the next EA image | 10:20 |
| ballock | so - works? | 10:20 |
| william_gen | nothing | 10:20 |
| ballock | black screen? | 10:20 |
| ballock | ;) | 10:20 |
| william_gen | wait for sledges to fix | 10:21 |
| sharefree | guys i think lots of open OS = bad idea .. cuz we just need a open phone rather which support all of them as per the choice of the user | 10:21 |
| sharefree | like Revolution Phone does | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | sharefree: Oppo also does | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | but you have to understand that it's not all about open hardware | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | if it was about that, OpenMoko would have won the market | 10:22 |
| william_gen | nothing changed after reboot | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: as in, sdcard_rw:x:1015:nemo is still there in /etc/group ? | 10:22 |
| ballock | /etc/group contents are there? | 10:22 |
| william_gen | Oppo? | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | sharefree: jolla is a consumer device first and foremost, but is quite open for being one | 10:22 |
| sharefree | Stskeeps, Which Oppo model / | 10:22 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: yes | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: good | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: you should be able to enter /mnt/sdcard | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | now | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | sharefree: check https://en.oppo.com/firmware/ for example | 10:23 |
| sharefree | Stskeeps, baseband open too in Jolla phone ? | 10:23 |
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| ballock | Stskeeps: what if one of the dirs containing the links is not readable by nemo? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt you'll find basebond open anywhere to be honest | 10:24 |
| sharefree | Stskeeps, but why sir / | 10:24 |
| sharefree | What is the problem / | 10:24 |
| ballock | william_gen: try the ls -la as nemo user | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | sharefree: it's called telecommunication regulations | 10:24 |
| william_gen | can not enter /mnt/sdcard,says: 'Insufficient permissions' | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: hmmm.. | 10:24 |
| ballock | william_gen: I mean: first ls -la /mnt/sdcard | 10:24 |
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| ballock | and then the same following the links | 10:25 |
| william_gen | Oppo will join to sailfish os? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects | 10:25 |
| sharefree | Stskeeps, NSA + Prop. Baseband = 100 percent spying | 10:26 |
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| william_gen | ls -la /mnt/sdcard : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2014-04-18 08:41 sdcard -> /storage/emulated/legacy | 10:27 |
| william_gen | nothing changed | 10:27 |
| ballock | ok, do a touch /etc/trashfile | 10:28 |
| ballock | if it works, type an 'exit' | 10:28 |
| ballock | otherwise, continue with ls -la /storage/emulated/legacy | 10:28 |
| sharefree | jolla phone offer privacy ? | 10:29 |
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| pp | well, it doesn't really shout out a lot about you when you're using it :-) | 10:30 |
| Yaniel | what do you even mean by "offering privacy" | 10:30 |
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| sharefree | does it offer better privacy over android ? | 10:31 |
| pp | I'd say so (tho it's the apps that really ruin it) | 10:32 |
| sharefree | pp, but jolla has no apps right ? | 10:34 |
| Acce | do you mean "app permissions"? | 10:34 |
| pp | well, basic stuff is native, and they don't blurt out your imei/phone number/email address/whatnot | 10:34 |
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| pp | (even when you're checking for updates it's not blasting out your jolla account every time, even if it is https ;) ) | 10:36 |
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| pp | I'd assume when it gets to paid sailfish native apps they'll be doing something similarly sensible | 10:37 |
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| kimmoli | OT: is Micrsoft really asking something from the users? http://xboxmusic.uservoice.com/forums/209733-xbox-music-suggestion-box/category/67365-windows-phone | 15:17 |
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| Abuli | list | 15:31 |
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| Quu | ok. | 15:31 |
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| Anz_ | I'm aware of custom keyboard layouts and already got Arabic working. now, any insight on Indic characters? i guess something extra need to be done other than replacing the characters on an existing layout | 16:12 |
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| Korp_pu | im just wondering what is jolla's policy with dead pixels? | 18:45 |
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| Korp_pu | im having quite a few of them and they're spreading slowly | 18:47 |
| tbr | Korp_pu: contact care, I'd say | 18:48 |
| Korp_pu | thanks, will do :) | 18:49 |
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| ar | huh | 19:21 |
| ar | Jolla logo on my (stock) other half is nearly worn out | 19:21 |
| ar | wat do? | 19:21 |
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| Yaniel | time to get a funkier TOH? :D | 19:23 |
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| aard_ | ar: how did you manage to do that? | 19:28 |
| ar | aard_: i keep it in my pockets | 19:29 |
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| aard_ | so do I | 19:29 |
| flanag | I've been using mine from December to this day (and it's been in my pocket) and I can't really see any marks on it and the logo for example hasn't worn out at all. | 19:33 |
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| Yaniel | same here | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | nor has the paint on the screen frame worn off | 19:35 |
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| sharefree | hi | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | hello | 19:37 |
| sharefree | is this phone coming to asia ? | 19:37 |
| sharefree | does it support android apps ? | 19:37 |
| Yaniel | that has been planned | 19:37 |
| sharefree | where is your Web Store or app store for apps ? | 19:37 |
| Yaniel | to some extent, yes | 19:37 |
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| Yaniel | app store is on the device, android apps can be installed from most android app stores | 19:38 |
| sharefree | wow | 19:39 |
| sharefree | but it cost a lot | 19:39 |
| sharefree | y ? | 19:39 |
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| Anz_ | @sharefree: study well about Android app compatibility to avoid disappointment later. | 19:45 |
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| sharefree | Anz_, were you disappointed ? | 19:45 |
| sharefree | actually i m running away from Windows + Google stuff | 19:45 |
| sharefree | basically anything prop. | 19:46 |
| sharefree | so it would not be an issue | 19:46 |
| sharefree | i m just wondering if F-droid would work on it or not | 19:46 |
| sharefree | i want basic security apps to work cuz I ve no idea if Jolla is a full gnu/linux on cellphone or what | 19:46 |
| Anz_ | I had talked to a Jolla blogger personally so I was aware of the shortcomings | 19:47 |
| sharefree | Anz_, u using Jolla ? | 19:48 |
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| Anz_ | @sharefree: yup. most people on this channel do, i guess | 19:50 |
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| sharefree | did you use android before ? | 19:51 |
| sharefree | What made you choose Jolla ( Sailfish OS ) | 19:51 |
| Anz_ | @sharefree: nope. i was using maemo5 before. I had an Android tablet though (got it as a gift) and lost it last week! darn | 19:53 |
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| faenil_ | f droid the store? | 19:54 |
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| sharefree | ya | 19:54 |
| sharefree | F-droid - Free and Open Store for Android Apps | 19:54 |
| sharefree | Anz_, I see so you love it so far ? | 19:55 |
| faenil_ | it works on jolla, if that was the question | 19:55 |
| sharefree | faenil_, I know but does most apps work .. what about security of sailfish .. what about apps ? | 19:56 |
| faenil_ | well, apps which don't rely on g services work | 19:56 |
| sharefree | none of the apps in F-droid rely on G | 19:58 |
| faenil_ | yeah, that was a generic statement | 19:59 |
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| sharefree | faenil_, ok | 19:59 |
| faenil_ | there are some security restrictiòna though, which I don't know by heart | 19:59 |
| faenil_ | restrictions* | 20:00 |
| sharefree | faenil_, I think I would try Sailfish OS on Geeksphone revolution | 20:00 |
| faenil_ | good | 20:00 |
| sharefree | until they release the phone here | 20:00 |
| sharefree | but i think the battery backup must be low | 20:01 |
| sharefree | its just 2000 mAH right ? | 20:01 |
| faenil_ | 2100 | 20:01 |
| faenil_ | it's enough for a day for sure | 20:01 |
| sharefree | really / | 20:02 |
| Yaniel | lasts for about a day running IRC over 3G | 20:02 |
| sharefree | whole day ? | 20:02 |
| faenil_ | I did 2 days before the last update | 20:02 |
| faenil_ | now 1 :/ | 20:02 |
| faenil_ | yep | 20:02 |
| vatte | battery life is quite good indeed. I'm running an SSH connection through the day with normal use otherwise, usually end up with 50% by the end of the day | 20:02 |
| sharefree | oh so its low grade battery which might drop its performance every month | 20:02 |
| faenil_ | it 22 and it's 6%, I unplugged it yesterday late afternoon | 20:03 |
| faenil_ | and I'm on jolla atm | 20:03 |
| vatte | notable thing is that the ssh connection doesn't break even once | 20:03 |
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| sharefree | wow | 20:03 |
| sharefree | jolla has its own IRC client ? | 20:03 |
| sharefree | can you share screen shots ? | 20:03 |
| sharefree | how is it different from Android ? | 20:04 |
| faenil_ | well it's not by jolla, but it's for sailfish :) | 20:04 |
| Acce | http://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/sailfish-os-amazing-irc-client-shown/ | 20:04 |
| Acce | just the old version though | 20:04 |
| Acce | lot of improvements since then | 20:04 |
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| faenil_ | bye bye, 5%, I'm closing irc :) | 20:05 |
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| Yaniel | vatte: sounds like they changed the deep sleep thing then | 20:07 |
| Yaniel | reminds me, I have mine connected via USB and ssh didn't lag either even though the screen is locked | 20:07 |
| sharefree | wow | 20:09 |
| sharefree | but Sailfish OS has not license info | 20:09 |
| sharefree | the site is less information | 20:09 |
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| vatte | Yaniel: I guess so. It's really great, even my laptop on wifi doesn't keep the ssh connection as reliably as my Jolla on 3G :) | 20:10 |
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| vatte | n900 was similar, I guess, but keeping a constant connection drained the battery | 20:11 |
| sharefree | heh | 20:11 |
| Yaniel | sharefree: most of the code is from the mer and nemo projects | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | which you can find on github | 20:12 |
| sharefree | but under what license is it released ? | 20:12 |
| sharefree | is it public domain ? | 20:12 |
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| Acce | not public domain, no. I think most are GPL and some LGPL | 20:15 |
| sharefree | ok | 20:15 |
| sharefree | But the site is suppressing a lot of facts | 20:15 |
| Nokius | positive shocked guys found no application (native SailfishOS) on my which alls home / exept Tap Race but it tells u this in the User Agreement :D | 20:16 |
| sharefree | like what is sailfish OS etc | 20:16 |
| Acce | Nokius: calls home? | 20:17 |
| Acce | sharefree: yes, they have to market it to the "normal" people too, you see | 20:17 |
| Nokius | Acce: calls :-/ | 20:17 |
| Yaniel | Nokius: how did you check? | 20:18 |
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| Nokius | Yaniel: wireshark on an "Analyser" which shares wifi traced the hole interface with filter ip.addr == Jolla IP | 20:20 |
| Acce | I checked with strace that KillDroid, for whatever reason, tries to get network.. when there's no connection strace outputs lot of errors from getDomainName or similar | 20:20 |
| Acce | those disappear when connected, but nothing shows up in the strace as sent/received data.. | 20:21 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: of course there has bin traffic but only when I used an application which need Websevice like Sailbure Radio application | 20:21 |
| Yaniel | yu | 20:22 |
| Yaniel | p | 20:22 |
| Yaniel | I suppose you checked the target address too? | 20:22 |
| sharefree | Acce, I am normal but the issue is I being so much into computing cannot purely understand the Jolla OS ( which is actually Sailfish OS ? ) | 20:22 |
| sharefree | plus if they are providing it for other phones are well then provide details in wikis | 20:22 |
| Acce | sharefree: mm, I'm not sure what you're trying to understand? and yes, it is Sailfish OS and Jolla phone | 20:23 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: the filter shows all traffic I guess because ip.addr==Jolla is one on side Source or target | 20:24 |
| Yaniel | I mean did you check that the traffic went to a reasonable address wrt the app it originated from | 20:25 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: did you ever trys some thing with an Andrid Phone :P only Web Proxys shows you connection and u wont want use any application on this Phone :D | 20:26 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: u mean if I ceck the packet ? no most is https like Jolla Store / Jolla Update Warehouse YTPlayer http is Fahrplan (db.de backend) SailSoma | Soma FM Tap Race | 20:28 |
| Yaniel | no I haven't had an android phone | 20:30 |
| Nokius | Try with friend Phone :o (Quizkampen) | 20:31 |
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| Nokius | 4 Connection olny to Ad, Analyser Companies and in plan text | 20:33 |
| sharefree | where is the Jolla OS store ? | 20:34 |
| sharefree | can I check it online ? | 20:34 |
| sharefree | app store ? | 20:34 |
| TemeV | sharefree, you can only use it with the phone afaik | 20:34 |
| Yaniel | Nokius: uhh | 20:35 |
| sharefree | share some games section shots ? | 20:36 |
| sharefree | please | 20:36 |
| sharefree | any paid apps yet ? | 20:36 |
| Yaniel | not yet | 20:36 |
| TemeV | I think there is like 3 or 4 games for Sailfish | 20:36 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: I dont have to mention that this companies got the OS Version Phone Name and so on … :O | 20:37 |
| Yaniel | TemeV: actually store shows a bit more than a screenful in the puzzle games category | 20:37 |
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| Yaniel | and only two are android apps | 20:38 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: The proxy Setting in SailfishOS is a bit compley so its not easy to set up a web proxy to anayse the traffis more clear than with wiershark | 20:39 |
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| sharefree | Can this phone run HD games from android ? | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | http://imagebin.org/306363 <- sharefree | 20:40 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: Hope that that in near future the app developer dont add call home functions | 20:41 |
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| Yaniel | Nokius: yeah same here | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | OTOH the community is quite keen on keeping those away which hopefully raises the bar for adding such stuff | 20:42 |
| vatte | sharefree: I remember trying the Sonic Dash 3D game for android on Jolla, and it worked fine | 20:42 |
| sharefree | omg I see Yaniel | 20:42 |
| sharefree | its cute | 20:42 |
| sharefree | vatte, wow | 20:42 |
| vatte | I would bet jolla runs on par with a similarly specced android phone | 20:42 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: irc one of this trosh appliaction had this function and the developer removed it after user repoart it …. | 20:42 |
| Yaniel | the flashlight app for example sent stats back | 20:43 |
| Yaniel | but that was removed after people complained | 20:43 |
| Nokius | Yaniel: yeap! | 20:43 |
| TemeV | Yaniel, so it seems. I guess I had the adventure games screen on my not-so-photographic memory :) | 20:43 |
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| walokra | some other apps also send data "back" for usage statistics | 20:43 |
| Yaniel | yeah that one only has 6 or so apps | 20:43 |
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| Nokius | Yaniel: and Tap Race shows you a messae saying we track your activity | 20:44 |
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| walokra | as the jolla store doesn't show usage stats it's kind of understandable | 20:44 |
| walokra | but should be done openly | 20:44 |
| Nokius | walokra: realy ?! | 20:44 |
| Nokius | openrepos does :P | 20:44 |
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| walokra | it motivates developers to know that apps are used etc. | 20:45 |
| Nokius | walokra: yeah but user hates to get trackt | 20:45 |
| Nokius | ;) | 20:45 |
| M4rtinK | the stats on OpenRepos are also updated in near realtime | 20:46 |
| walokra | yeah and for that reason there should be better ways to provide some stats | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | an developers see download per version and per country :) | 20:47 |
| Nokius | walokra: as mention found no app which reports home | 20:47 |
| Nokius | M4rtinK: which is okay but if an apps tells more like usetime and so on its ... | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO tracking is evil and must not be done without explicit informed consent of the user | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK | then the app should not do that | 20:49 |
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| M4rtinK | easy as that | 20:49 |
| Nokius | Yeah | 20:50 |
| Nokius | right | 20:50 |
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| Nokius | but some times i wondering if the openrepos statistic show not VPN / Proxy user (Location is way far from Jolla Market) | 20:52 |
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| M4rtinK | well, GeoIP is like that | 20:54 |
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| Nokius | :P | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | tunels, proxys and bad data about IP range assignment | 20:54 |
| Nokius | yes | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | you can't really do anything about it without outright spying | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | well just total download counts are the most important anyway | 20:56 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | tey tell you how important your app is | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | geoip is nice (for example to see how important l10n is) | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | but not crucial | 20:57 |
| Nokius | right now days clicks and downloads is what measured | 20:57 |
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