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| JvD_ | skvark: And that generic class is used in your ChameleonHalf? | 03:54 |
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| JvD_ | I'll have look at that. Currently I am using forked kimmoli's source | 03:55 |
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| Mirv | chriadam: Paarlampi has fixed essentially all my battery drain problems so far, thanks. probably some corner cases are still there, but definitely back to great. | 03:57 |
| Pnuu | what I've heard, the hostspot battery drain is still there | 03:58 |
| Mirv | "probably" because I have seen some variation (7%-20%) in the night consumption rates, but it's anyhow on a good level. 3G, chats and syncs enabled. | 03:58 |
| Mirv | Pnuu: ok, that'd fall into the corner cases. which of course for some may be very important. | 03:59 |
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| Mirv | if Ambience would support chat status, connectivity and sync settings, I'd be also happy to go offline for the night :) | 03:59 |
| Pnuu | yeah, from normal 2 % per night to ~20 % per night | 03:59 |
| Mirv | ok, maybe I then hit that once, I do use BT & WLAN tethering every week | 04:00 |
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| chriadam | Mirv: there's still one bug in Paarlampi (fixed in the next update) where syncing FB images or avatars can sometimes hang. | 04:39 |
| chriadam | can see a few commits in https://github.com/nemomobile/libsocialcache/commits/master which deal with timing out stuck requests and handling duplicate requests | 04:40 |
| chriadam | but yeah, the most common issues with sync which prevented the device from entering suspend, were fixed in P | 04:40 |
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| skvark | JvD_: yes, it's there | 05:20 |
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| JvD_ | great | 05:24 |
| skvark | could be probably improved but works for me | 05:30 |
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| Quu | hmm | 05:46 |
| Quu | cant enable any warehouse repo because it whines something about jolla store repo not found | 05:47 |
| Quu | transaction /944_aceacece | 05:47 |
| Quu | ok. | 05:47 |
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| BasilSemuonov | Quu: it says smthing like "file not found on medium"? or "authentication failed"? | 05:54 |
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| Quu | yeah, /repodata/repomd.xml not found | 05:55 |
| Quu | xt9 it seems | 05:55 |
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| tehdely | i met my first jolla user today | 05:56 |
| tehdely | (other than myself, that is) | 05:56 |
| tehdely | south african dude, traveling in SF | 05:56 |
| tehdely | it was neat :) | 05:56 |
| Quu | cool | 05:57 |
| ar | hehe | 05:57 |
| ar | i know 3 other people who have Jolla phones | 05:57 |
| tehdely | it is a very distinctive design. mine is especially distinctive, as i dropped the phone 3' onto some pavement and the screen is all smashed up | 05:58 |
| tehdely | but i am enjoying using it too much to ship it to finland to get fixed | 05:58 |
| tehdely | it has been broken for 1mo+ | 05:58 |
| tehdely | anyhow i spotted it instantly. | 05:58 |
| Acce | yep, it | 05:58 |
| Acce | s easy to spot a Jolla | 05:58 |
| tehdely | one does not see such phones here. just iPhone iPhone galaxy iPhone galaxy iPhone galaxy | 05:58 |
| Acce | which is good | 05:58 |
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| tehdely | we commiserated briefly on the lack of 3G service, i asked him if he had received the latest update (he had), we talked about our N9s, and then parted ways. it was magic | 05:59 |
| tehdely | hehehe | 05:59 |
| Quu | *magic* | 05:59 |
| ar | 3G doesn't work on Jolla in usa? | 06:00 |
| tehdely | nope | 06:00 |
| tehdely | 900/2100 only | 06:00 |
| Acce | hot news, Jolla doesn't run on electricity, it's pure magic ;) | 06:00 |
| tehdely | so you are stock on GSM here | 06:00 |
| tehdely | which is abysmal. AT&T + T-Mo have been slowly decommissioning their GSM network for ages | 06:00 |
| tehdely | i drop calls constantly and get no reception in many places | 06:00 |
| ar | hm. SF? a friend of mine's in SF now | 06:01 |
| tehdely | data service is fine. I just tether over WiFi to an LTE MiFi | 06:01 |
| ar | oh, but he's not south african | 06:01 |
| tehdely | but it would be nice to have reliable calls. alas | 06:01 |
| tehdely | someone obvs. needs to write a good VoIP stack for sailfish | 06:01 |
| Acce | that must suck.. but can't be helped since US is not officially targeted yet :/ which is understandable considering how Nokia has fared there | 06:01 |
| tehdely | Acce: well, it would probably cost $5 extra per handset to ship a quad or pentaband UMTS radio | 06:02 |
| tehdely | but it might have created some sort of obligation to get certified by the FCC or something | 06:02 |
| tehdely | which would be an unnecessary hassle when you are launching as light as Jolla did | 06:02 |
| tehdely | i mean, hell, it is a crowdfunded phone that actually shipped. when is the last time anyone saw that | 06:02 |
| tehdely | so I have come to terms wit hit. | 06:02 |
| tehdely | i will disagree with you on one point though: the lesson to learn from Nokia's failures in America is to NOT ignore the US | 06:03 |
| tehdely | Nokia ignored the US at their peril. | 06:03 |
| tehdely | two American-made operating systems ate their lunch and destroyed their market. | 06:03 |
| Acce | yeah, I'm sure they have their reasons, be it the HW designer company they used or "we forgot" | 06:03 |
| tehdely | i hope it was one of those | 06:04 |
| Acce | well, yes, but Nokia still thrived in Europe and Asia | 06:04 |
| Acce | until, well, now | 06:04 |
| tehdely | well, until Android came and ate their lunch there, too | 06:04 |
| tehdely | Nokia was a very arrogant company. i think many can agree on that :) | 06:04 |
| tehdely | arrogant with wonderful technology and many brilliant people | 06:04 |
| tehdely | and the best industrial design in the industry | 06:04 |
| tehdely | so, many reasons to be arrogant. but foolish nonetheless | 06:04 |
| Acce | mhm, but I don't think Nokia ignored US, it's just a market hard to get into when competing with two US companies | 06:04 |
| tehdely | and my experience as an American customer of Nokia was one of unbridled contempt | 06:05 |
| tehdely | I was a Symbian user for years. I suffered | 06:05 |
| tehdely | but I was loyal | 06:05 |
| tehdely | and then I got an N9 and was super happy, but it was always understood that the phone was doomed, doomed, doomed | 06:05 |
| Acce | maybe they should've pressed on their US market share earlier though.. they let others get the space there | 06:05 |
| tehdely | i have actually had to deal with NOK's customer support for americans. it is downright disdainful. | 06:05 |
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| tehdely | i'm not sure if it's any better in Europe | 06:06 |
| tehdely | but at least you have Care Points there | 06:06 |
| tehdely | here you must ship everything to Texas. and all calls are handled by a call center in the Phillipines, and the quality was... lacking, to say the least | 06:06 |
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| Acce | well, Nokia's downfall started in early this millenia, when the top-ups stopped accepting innovations to the products | 06:07 |
| tehdely | that and the internal warfare between the symbian + maemo teams | 06:07 |
| tehdely | inability to settle on a single vision. battling business units. super top-heavy with mgmt | 06:07 |
| Acce | which was solved by bringing yet another player into the soup.. ugh | 06:07 |
| tehdely | do you mean the whole Intel disaster? | 06:08 |
| Acce | that too, and trashing both symbian and maemo | 06:08 |
| Acce | it was acceptable, but they should've been smoother about it | 06:08 |
| Acce | not just plain "no more this and that" | 06:08 |
| tehdely | cutting off the app store the way they did was pretty rude. | 06:09 |
| Acce | well.. we have to look ahead now | 06:09 |
| tehdely | anyhow, funny thing is Windows Phone is getting to be quite nice. but i have apx. 0.0% interest in it. my loyalty to Nokia lived w/ Symbian + Maemo, and has transfered to Jolla | 06:09 |
| Acce | in my eyes the mobile market has been pretty stagnant for the past few years | 06:09 |
| tehdely | they are just a brand now. | 06:09 |
| Acce | let's see if Jolla and others can make some real waves | 06:10 |
| tehdely | i think jolla is very well placed to do so | 06:10 |
| tehdely | they made a very smart decision, which was to start small and not try to become a big player in any marke | 06:10 |
| tehdely | t | 06:10 |
| tehdely | it is a boutiquey phone for those that want it, most of whom are very loyal and committed to it | 06:10 |
| tehdely | way better than trying to be the next iOS/Android/etc.etc. | 06:11 |
| Acce | yeah, and they're scratching the itches of those who create and develop new stuff | 06:11 |
| tehdely | look how much it has improved in just a few months. they can actually ship code | 06:11 |
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| Acce | yeah, the speed is fast indeed | 06:11 |
| Acce | but the quality is still kept good | 06:12 |
| tehdely | in agile circles that would be called "velocity" | 06:12 |
| tehdely | i would like to see a Jolla burndown chart | 06:12 |
| tehdely | hopefully a voicemail indicator is somewhere in the next sprint :> | 06:12 |
| Acce | heh :) but now, morning coffee time! | 06:12 |
| tehdely | evening cereal time here | 06:13 |
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| ed-beo | cold beer time here all day, everyday | 06:14 |
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| AL13N | morning go-to-work time | 06:22 |
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| Stskeeps | tehdely: you mean a burnout chart | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 06:55 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: ugh, that puts it terribly well | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | good morning tbr | 07:01 |
| tbr | moaning | 07:02 |
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| Kiranos | just want to say, I love jollas battery life, I can go 3 nights without charging, was many years ago I could do that | 07:12 |
| Kiranos | old ericsson phones with two weeks battery life | 07:12 |
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| ar | my work phone (xperia j) manages about two weeks on battery, but it's mostly idle and no accounts to sync configured | 07:13 |
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| TemeV | even my N9 lasts a week when I don't use it | 07:22 |
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| covox | Kiranos: I know right? back when there was that NFC bug draining the battery my reaction was "fair enough, most phones only get a day or so" | 07:38 |
| covox | when that got patched out of tohd I was amazed | 07:39 |
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| Pnuu | wish we had amoled.. | 07:41 |
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| pp | heh, interesting, I went to sleep at 3% battery but was too tired to plug the phone in | 08:00 |
| pp | it was still on at 3% :D | 08:00 |
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| Tofe | Is there something obvious preventing a wayland app to be started on the device ? | 08:03 |
| Tofe | I was reading this https://together.jolla.com/question/39620/request-xwayland/ and was wondering why not "just" compile XWayland and start it | 08:05 |
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| Kiranos | not sure I understand but probably want native support to make app work out of the box without external dependencies? | 08:16 |
| HtheB | guys, since the last 2 updates, android apps can't read the contacts anymore | 08:16 |
| HtheB | does anyone has some workaround for this? | 08:16 |
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| Quu | dont use android apps :p | 08:18 |
| HtheB | thats not a solution :) | 08:19 |
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| HtheB | too bad some apps doesnt exist as native sailfish os app | 08:19 |
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| Quu | iirc you need to add permissions to some file | 08:23 |
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| SfietKonstantin | BTW, interesting stuff, if not posted already http://www.projectara.com/mdk/ | 08:36 |
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| Quu | they released something already? | 08:37 |
| SfietKonstantin | docs | 08:37 |
| Quu | bah :) | 08:37 |
| SfietKonstantin | interesting already | 08:38 |
| SfietKonstantin | they use I2C I2S etc. | 08:38 |
| SfietKonstantin | and of course, Android | 08:38 |
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| Quu | neat | 08:40 |
| SfietKonstantin | I wonder how this threatens / helps Jolla | 08:40 |
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| tbr | just run sailfish on it :) | 08:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | tbr: I mean, OH concept | 08:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | of course, running Sailfish on it is a possibility :) | 08:41 |
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| SfietKonstantin | anyway, just run through the whole doc, it's pretty neat | 08:48 |
| SfietKonstantin | Jolla HW people should read it too (if there are some of them here) | 08:48 |
| HtheB | Quu: any idea which file? | 08:49 |
| Quu | nope | 08:50 |
| Quu | oh wait | 08:50 |
| Quu | it was for mitakuuluu, not android apps | 08:50 |
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| TemeV | It is some licensing thing, that contatcs synced from cloud are not available to android | 08:56 |
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| TemeV | I can see only those stored to the device on android apps | 08:56 |
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| Yaniel | cybette: the meeting minutes link on twitter? | 08:58 |
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| HtheB | TemeV: Its not syncing? | 09:00 |
| HtheB | I just added a contact to my phone.... | 09:00 |
| TemeV | HtheB, what do you mean? | 09:01 |
| HtheB | on earlier versions of Sailfish, after adding a contact, when you rebooted the phone, the android apps could see the added contact | 09:02 |
| HtheB | but now, it doesnt | 09:02 |
| HtheB | I added the contact manually on my phone | 09:02 |
| HtheB | I didnt sync anything from cloud... | 09:02 |
| TemeV | ok. Then there is some bug | 09:02 |
| TemeV | For me it works ok | 09:03 |
| HtheB | Viber? | 09:03 |
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| TemeV | I've tried only with whatsapp | 09:03 |
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| HtheB | TemeV: did you add a new contact after the newest sailfish update? | 09:04 |
| Scelt | SfietKonstantin: I remember that block phone idea from few years back. Awesome that Google is actually doing it now. Huge possibilities within it | 09:04 |
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| SfietKonstantin | yep | 09:05 |
| SfietKonstantin | that's the phoneblocks thing yep | 09:05 |
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| TemeV | HtheB, not sure, but I'll try now | 09:06 |
| TemeV | HtheB, Ok, I added a new entry to phone book, and started whatsapp, and I can see the contact there | 09:10 |
| TemeV | No need to reboot or anything | 09:11 |
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| cybette | Yaniel: I retweeted tbr's tweet, will make a proper tweet later. lunch/bank right now. | 09:16 |
| Yaniel | great | 09:18 |
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| HtheB | :( weird | 09:26 |
| HtheB | doesnt work with Viber then? :( | 09:28 |
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| Kiranos | [11:17:22] <cybette> Yaniel: I retweeted tbr's tweet, will make a proper tweet later. lunch/bank right now. | 10:00 |
| Kiranos | and which tweet is this? | 10:00 |
| Yaniel | one with a link to the mailing list archive | 10:02 |
| Kiranos | dont know his account | 10:02 |
| Yaniel | specifically the mail with the links to meeting logs | 10:02 |
| Yaniel | you can see it on the jollahq feed | 10:02 |
| Yaniel | which kinda is the point of retweeting I guess :P | 10:03 |
| Kiranos | thanks | 10:03 |
| Kiranos | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003925.html | 10:03 |
| Kiranos | if anyone else is interested | 10:03 |
| Yaniel | yep | 10:03 |
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| Khertan | is there any problem for updating sdk ? | 12:16 |
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| Khertan | repo isn t found on updater | 12:16 |
| faenil | Khertan, they took links down afaik | 12:17 |
| faenil | issue found in KDE setups | 12:17 |
| Khertan | oh | 12:18 |
| Khertan | this explain that | 12:18 |
| Khertan | so i ll wait :) | 12:18 |
| faenil | (they wrote a post on ML) | 12:18 |
| Khertan | thx | 12:19 |
| Khertan | faenil (i didn't read ml ... or really few time) | 12:19 |
| faenil | np | 12:19 |
| faenil | I suggest subscribing, so you get emails :) | 12:19 |
| Khertan | faenil, i got emails (c AOLVoice) | 12:20 |
| faenil | ok | 12:20 |
| Khertan | faenil, i m registered, just no time to read :) | 12:20 |
| faenil | :) | 12:21 |
| Khertan | oh the windows update failed too | 12:21 |
| Khertan | groooh | 12:21 |
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| faenil | ahaha | 12:21 |
| Khertan | --register --basefolder C:\\SailfishOS/emulator | 12:21 |
| Khertan | mixed env separator | 12:21 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:21 |
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| faenil | :) | 12:22 |
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| HtheB | SfietKonstantin: u there? ;p | 13:04 |
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| faenil | does anyone know if bindings for a property "foo" are disabled when a State transition for foo is ongoing? | 14:53 |
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| Acce | ኮ | 15:44 |
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| Pnuu | faenil: try #sailfishos | 15:45 |
| faenil | Pnuu, already got an answer ;) | 15:46 |
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| faenil | (by myself :P ) | 15:46 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 15:46 |
| coderus | faenil: so? | 15:46 |
| faenil | coderus, it seems they're disabled, yes | 15:46 |
| coderus | okay :) | 15:46 |
| faenil | also got a confirmation from https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-12767?focusedCommentId=123329&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-123329 | 15:46 |
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| ottulo | did someone try to get the hijacked ringtone from jolla.com? | 16:54 |
| ottulo | on SailfishOS browser it only opens it in a new tab and starts playing it :/ | 16:54 |
| Quu | http://jolla.com/media/documents/jolla_ringtone_remix.mp3 | 16:54 |
| ottulo | won't really help if I wanted to dl it on my phone directly | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | curl -O in terminal? | 16:56 |
| Tegu | yea but you can't paste to terminal \:D/ | 16:56 |
| ottulo | exactly | 16:56 |
| ottulo | which is why I was typing it in there | 16:57 |
| Tegu | nor copy from it. nor copy from browser except the url bar | 16:57 |
| Tegu | or links | 16:57 |
| ottulo | ofc I could have used TinyEdit to save it to a txt, open that in nano, copy, paste | 16:57 |
| faenil | xD | 16:57 |
| Tegu | but yea. hmm. it's not that long url that it couldn't be written manually :P | 16:57 |
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| Scelt | http://dy.fi/ift | 16:58 |
| Scelt | there you go ;) | 16:58 |
| ottulo | too late, but thanks | 16:58 |
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| ottulo | also, I'm not irc-ing on my jolla so I'd still have to manually type that address :P | 16:59 |
| Scelt | ottulo: np mate | 16:59 |
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| coderus | just compile last commits of fingerterm and get terminal copy/paste working | 17:18 |
| coderus | (i really have no idea why it wasn included in sailfish update) | 17:19 |
| faenil | yeah, I thought it would have, honestly | 17:19 |
| coderus | thp: ^ | 17:20 |
| Tofe | faenil: interesting link about the transitions | 17:22 |
| faenil | Tofe, :) | 17:22 |
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| Tofe | faenil: though I find it a bit strange that they allow so easily artefact signals to happen | 17:23 |
| faenil | Tofe, so do I :/ but if you read another related thread it seems they didn't have much choice, at least at that time | 17:24 |
| Tofe | yes, I guess so. | 17:24 |
| faenil | I'm more disappointed that it's still the same after the move to Qt5, which was the opportunity for API/ABI break | 17:25 |
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| Tofe | oh, it was Qt 4 and not changed with Qt 5 ? I missed that. Yes, I'm disappointed too :) | 17:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.digitoday.fi/vimpaimet/2014/04/16/nokias-dirty-secret-the-untold-story-of-a-production-ready-tablet-from-2001/20145483/66 - for the few people that haven't seen it | 20:44 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, make a market study _after_ developing the whole thing | 20:49 |
| M4rtinK | why not, what could possibly go wrong! :) | 20:49 |
| Acce | best market study: put it in the shop, if people buy it ok, if not, scrap | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it's not quite that simple. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | If you make actual production volumes - and it tanks. | 20:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | You end up scrappin 48K, not 1K | 20:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would love to see more info. | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - it's only 2001. | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | And all the devs can't be dead. | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder what the state of the OS was. | 20:52 |
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| ottulo | nice pitch there in the middle | 20:52 |
| ottulo | actually, at the end | 20:53 |
| ottulo | "My next phone will be a Jolla." | 20:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:53 |
| Acce | well yes, it's not best cost-wise, but it's best as in seeing whether people want it or not | 20:53 |
| Acce | (assuming they know it exists) | 20:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which means you need to market it | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - there is reputational risk by putting something out that utterly tanks. | 20:56 |
| the_mgt | but that does not stop microsoft from selling crappy phone os'ses, does it? | 20:56 |
| the_mgt | in general they spent lots of money for market research and the only thing they could land is their gaming console. phones, media players, tablets, they all tank | 20:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Microsoft is shit-scared of android. | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | And apple. | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | And are trying desperately to compete in mobile space. | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Willing to plow huge amounts of money into it. | 21:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | And sacrifice usability of the desktop for a slice of the mobile pie. | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia wasn't really anywhere close to that position in 2001 | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Also at that time - the stock price was hugely volatile. | 21:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | It had crashed from 50/share in 2000 to 20/share in 2001. | 21:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Really not the time you want to be sending the market 'we don't know what we're doing' signals. | 21:13 |
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| the_mgt | but Nokia had this niche market Communicator thing, too. I always wanted one, I imagine I would have wanted such a tablet, too. (Although it looks more ugly than the Communicator) | 21:16 |
| Jope | niche? | 21:18 |
| Jope | it was immensely popular | 21:18 |
| Jope | or they, more like | 21:19 |
| Teme | my dad had all but the 1st gen communicator | 21:20 |
| Teme | awesome devices | 21:20 |
| Teme | not really useful, but awesome :) | 21:20 |
| the_mgt | in 2000/2001, having a mobile phone was still something "only a dealer or broker needed", iirc | 21:20 |
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| Teme | i mean who would use office software on a display with an aspect ratio of 10:3 or smth :D | 21:21 |
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