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| Nicd- | yaay, fixed my calendar :) according to https://together.jolla.com/question/33975/bug-google-calendar-not-showing-all-events/ | 08:12 |
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| pp | glad to be helpful :-) Probably should figure out how to easily figure out whether a calendar is broken or not | 08:13 |
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| chriadam | Urgh. | 08:21 |
| chriadam | We should add a "wipe and perform clean sync" option to the account settings ui :-/ | 08:21 |
| pp | maybe storing local events in the process | 08:22 |
| pp | not that I used any, so wiping everything was an easy choice | 08:22 |
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| pp | would a dump of broken calendar (or one event in 38-icate be helpful?) | 08:40 |
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| chriadam | pp: no, but some log files would be very useful: | 08:46 |
| chriadam | systemctl --user stop msyncd.service | 08:46 |
| chriadam | SOCIALD_LOGGING_LEVEL=3 devel-su -p msyncd | 08:46 |
| chriadam | (then in a different terminal): dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'google.Calendars' | 08:47 |
| chriadam | you can rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Sync/gcal.ini if you want to perform a "clean sync" of the Google calendar data | 08:47 |
| chriadam | but some logs first would be very helpful ;-) | 08:47 |
| pp | hmn, except I cleaned up the calendars already :-) | 08:47 |
| chriadam | send them to chris dot adams at jolla dot com | 08:47 |
| chriadam | ah ;-) | 08:48 |
| pp | could go back to the broken ones I suppose | 08:48 |
| pp | (tho that was already in 1.0.4.20) | 08:48 |
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| chriadam | anyway, I have to head home for the night (autz) but please feel free to ping me / email me and I'll respond / track things down tomorrow | 08:49 |
| pp | okie, I'll do the log thing with the broken databases | 08:49 |
| chriadam | thanks very much | 08:49 |
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| ggabriel | i got another sim card disconnection, this time with the message | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | o/ btw | 08:55 |
| salami` | 08:55 | |
| ggabriel | may be a strange network condition as it happens when i sit at the work desk :) | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | i also think that battery life improved somewhat, which is cool | 08:55 |
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| Venemo_j | what's this JollaKauppa thing? | 10:08 |
| oh8gnz | Shop? ;) | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: http://jolla.com/hijacked | 10:09 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: when's that discussion you proposed on the mailing list? it's today, right? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, at 15 UTC | 10:09 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: do you work for Jolla as an employee? | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: hi, nice to meet you, carsten munk, chief research engineer - and in here i speak on behalf of myself :) | 10:10 |
| Venemo_j | when it 15 utc? what's it now in utc? | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: 11:10 AFAIK | 10:10 |
| Venemo_j | ah | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | err.. wait | 10:11 |
| * Stskeeps panics | 10:11 | |
| Stskeeps | nonono | 10:11 |
| Yaniel | 10:11 | 10:11 |
| TemeV | what was the meeting channel? | 10:11 |
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| Venemo_j | about the JollaKauppa website... let me guess, nobody tested it on a jolla | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | god damnit, i screwed up the time | 10:12 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: how so? | 10:12 |
| tbr | 1500 UTC is 1800EEST is 1700 CEST | 10:13 |
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| Venemo_j | tbr: is it CEST here? | 10:14 |
| Scelt | EEST in Finland | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | okay, if there's going to be somewhat less people from jolla, that is going to be entirely my fault....... | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | i screwed internal booking | 10:15 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: what time did you book it? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | one hour before | 10:16 |
| Venemo_j | ah | 10:17 |
| * Stskeeps goes look for nearest balcony | 10:17 | |
| Venemo_j | don't jump!!!! | 10:17 |
| tbr | Venemo_j: yes, you're in CEST | 10:17 |
| Venemo_j | thanks tbr :) | 10:18 |
| Venemo_j | which channel is the meeting on? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok, at least people have commited 30 mins of that timeslot.. should be okay | 10:18 |
| TemeV | Venemo_j, #mer-meeting | 10:18 |
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| Venemo_j | k | 10:18 |
| Venemo_j | not sure I can participate, but I'll try to chime in | 10:19 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: cool! I just remember your nick from the maemo (N900) times, year 2010 I guess. did you work for Nokia at that time? | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: well, subcontractor scum, yes | 10:20 |
| Scelt | okay | 10:21 |
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| meow | Is there an android app compatibility database? | 10:29 |
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| Venemo_j | AL13N, AL13N_work ping :) | 10:39 |
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| stephg | meow not that I know of | 10:40 |
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| Scelt | Stskeeps: do you know if anyone has managed to get two google accounts to android virtual machine? would be useful in google's own apps such as google drive. I just couldn't find a way to add another account since you can't access the android settings app | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: i'm not really at liberty to talk about google devices on jolla devices | 10:47 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: oh, even there is an official android support? :P | 10:49 |
| tbr | Scelt: I didn't bother much, but suspect you'd just need to trigger the account creation dialogue | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | er, google services | 10:49 |
| Scelt | tbr: yeah but how is the question | 10:49 |
| tbr | Scelt: let it be, he's probably gagged by a pile of very uncomfortable NDAs | 10:49 |
| Scelt | tbr: :D | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | the paper tastes funny | 10:50 |
| * Scelt letting Stskeeps be | 10:50 | |
| tbr | Scelt: as said, haven't bothered, one thought I had at some point was to just get the settings app working to some extent | 10:50 |
| tbr | as that is in AOSP, it should be possible to strip it down to what's needed | 10:51 |
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| Scelt | hmph | 10:52 |
| Scelt | I tried to cycle through google's own apps to find one having possibility to just trigger the account dialog way the play store did the first time | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | not discussing the google aspect at all, couldn't you theoretically start up android settings apk? | 10:54 |
| Scelt | hmph, maybe | 10:55 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: my point, exactly. in the second sentence I was already thinking further at modifying it for our needs. | 11:00 |
| meow | Trying to convince my boss that I should get the jolla :) | 11:01 |
| meow | "whats so special about this phone?" | 11:01 |
| salami` | for one it keeps crashing like no other :) | 11:02 |
| inffy_ | :D | 11:03 |
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| Yaniel | wat | 11:20 |
| Yaniel | went to gallery to enable the moonship ambience | 11:21 |
| Yaniel | but it enabled the camera ambience instead | 11:21 |
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| Turski | Yaniel: seen that too | 11:23 |
| Turski | Yaniel: did it already rename some other ambiences? :) | 11:23 |
| Turski | s/already/also/ | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | haven't noticed | 11:23 |
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| Turski | i once saw that four ambiences were renamed when something went wrong | 11:24 |
| Turski | but it wasn't on 1.0.5 | 11:24 |
| netzvieh | no problems switching to moonship here | 11:24 |
| Yaniel | nope | 11:24 |
| Yaniel | it happened to me the first time now | 11:25 |
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| Nicd- | https://twitter.com/nirub/status/456003810415362049 heheh | 12:21 |
| Plnt | :DDD | 12:23 |
| TemeV | :D | 12:23 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 12:23 |
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| TemeV | Remote control app would be nice :) | 12:24 |
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| tbr | Jope: do you need a letter or can we just skip this and I give you a way to drop me the iso? | 12:25 |
| * tbr forgot to send the letter last friday | 12:26 | |
| Nicd- | TemeV: on demand VNC server on jolla, could be nice :P | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'll first be able to make the dvd tuesday, fwiw | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | but already gave konsta the kernel | 12:27 |
| Jope | tbr, rules are rules! ;-) | 12:27 |
| TemeV | Nicd-, yeah, VNC would of course be a solution | 12:27 |
| Nicd- | someone just needs to compile a vnc server for sailfish | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully we'll get in a better shape to deal with this stuff very soon, as this unholy sources mess gets sorted out.. | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | i can probably make a tarball to be put on the interweb this time around | 12:28 |
| Jope | don't do that | 12:28 |
| Jope | then that someone who wanted to make us run gets what he wants ;-) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | people will still send the requests anyway :P | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | TemeV: maybe https://github.com/mer-qa/mervncserver | 12:28 |
| Jope | I personally took offence when reading about that | 12:28 |
| Jope | I ain't no monkey boy | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | i was called monkey most of my primary school years ;( | 12:29 |
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| Jope | aw :-( | 12:29 |
| faenil | awww | 12:30 |
| Jope | blaah, I need to visit the post office.. I managed to sell an old symbian s60 device to someone on huutonet | 12:30 |
| Jope | I think I should increase my minimum price to 20e .. a tenner is not very motivating :-D | 12:31 |
| faenil | ahaah :D | 12:33 |
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| pp | heh, I still have a 6600 and e70 somewhere, probably could ditch them | 12:38 |
| pp | still have a n900 and n9 as backups! | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | E70! | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | give give give give | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | I loved my E70 but dropped it and it died :( | 12:39 |
| pp | it was a great little mobile ssh terminal | 12:39 |
| Acce | hmm I might have my 6600 somewhere too.. it was nice phone at the time | 12:40 |
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| Jope | I have an E70 too | 12:50 |
| Jope | the battery went all piglet on me though | 12:50 |
| Jope | and damn that ui lag was terrible on it | 12:50 |
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| Nicd- | it was nice for IRC though | 12:51 |
| Nicd- | I remember using mIRGGI | 12:51 |
| * tbr probably still has some BP-4L batteries that would fit an E70 | 12:52 | |
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| Jope | bl-6c is correct for the e70 | 12:53 |
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| Jope | bl-5c and 4c will also work, but have a smaller capacity.. | 12:53 |
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| tbr | ah | 13:02 |
| tbr | might have those too | 13:02 |
| tbr | if you need one, let me know | 13:02 |
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| gabriel9|work | is there a way to search packages(remote) with yum? | 13:51 |
| coderus | pkcon and zypper not enough? | 13:52 |
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| Pnuu | I think it's weekly topic that someone asks if it's possible to use dpkg/yum/any-not-rpm-package-system | 13:53 |
| gabriel9|work | i am just curius how this rpm tools works | 13:54 |
| Pnuu | or was yum for rpm in suse? | 13:54 |
| coderus | its works better than dpkg ones | 13:54 |
| tbr | pfffz, just use rpm -q ;) | 13:54 |
| gabriel9|work | in mighty arch there is only pacman :D | 13:54 |
| Pnuu | wakawakawakawaka | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | how do you do that with emerge? | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | :P | 13:55 |
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| Yaniel | Pnuu: I want to use pacman | 13:57 |
| Yaniel | actually aura would be even better | 13:58 |
| Pnuu | "I want to use install.exe!" | 13:58 |
| Yaniel | yum is used in fedora | 13:58 |
| Yaniel | for rpm | 13:58 |
| goroboro | Pnuu: is that possible... it would make life soooo much easier :P | 13:58 |
| Pnuu | ngh | 13:58 |
| Yaniel | why can't we just have msi packages | 13:58 |
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| Yaniel | like in the *cough* good old *cough* times | 13:59 |
| Pnuu | "yes -> yes -> agree -> change directory -> yes -> yes" | 13:59 |
| goroboro | only if we can see the estimated time to complete install | 13:59 |
| goroboro | 5 minutes remaining | 14:00 |
| goroboro | 2 hours remaining | 14:00 |
| goroboro | 3 seconds remaining | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | bsod | 14:00 |
| goroboro | that is incredibly useful | 14:00 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: :-D | 14:00 |
| gabriel9|work | pamcan ftw | 14:02 |
| gabriel9|work | maybe mer should be based on archlinux | 14:02 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 14:02 |
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| HtheB | pacman | 14:05 |
| Yaniel | updates every day! | 14:05 |
| clau3 | now you get haptic feedback when shutting down. very good | 14:05 |
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| clau3 | now you know when to take off your finger, so you won't do a forced shutdown, hence corrupt btrfs | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | meanwhile, a commercial for Firefox OS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJpK8cBjkQ | 14:13 |
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| Scelt | Stskeeps: :D | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | what sound does a sailfish do? | 14:15 |
| w00t | blub blub blub | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | s/do/make/ | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | or maybe zoom zoom zoom | 14:16 |
| Pnuu | wtf | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: let's do one of these underwater.. in ice water! | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:17 |
| Scelt | I think sailfish shouts PERKELE like most of the Finns do when they come up from icy water | 14:18 |
| Pnuu | kossua, perkele! | 14:18 |
| Yaniel | Scelt: someone HAS to make a video clip of that | 14:20 |
| Yaniel | a sailfish jumping out of the water between some icebergs | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | where's that video of marc dillon being in icy water with a jolla device.. | 14:20 |
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| clau3 | LINE has a native client for Firefox OS already? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | there's no such thing as native firefox os app though | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, as in, c/c++ | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | it might just be wrapped html5 client :P | 14:32 |
| clau3 | I guess so | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | i can tell as much, it's a pain to do things by the book in advertisements, getting OK's to use trademarks, etc | 14:33 |
| clau3 | btw, I hope there are plans to fix the notifications for android apps, since currently most apps that use notifications are almost useless :( | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | i don't personally know, sorry | 14:34 |
| faenil | also, android notification use wrong icons most of the times | 14:34 |
| faenil | gtalk notifications have whatsapp icon, for example | 14:34 |
| faenil | (and this is random) | 14:34 |
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| clau3 | a first nice step would be to map android notifications to system ones, but even so it won't be 100% reliable probably | 14:35 |
| clau3 | btw, BB 10 has similar issues | 14:35 |
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| lbt | sailfishos meeting in #mer-meeting in 1min | 14:59 |
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| Cimont_ | I was trying to ask this last saturday night but it was really quiet here. So has anybody else had this that some of the whats app notification pictures gets frozen to the start screen? | 15:34 |
| Yaniel | I have heard about it | 15:34 |
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| Cimont_ | Have you heard about a solution to it? | 15:35 |
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| clau2 | Cimont_, I don't know a solution, but, are you using the android whatsapp client? If so, there's also a native client, in case you want to give it a try. | 15:43 |
| Cimont_ | yeah, i'm using the native one | 15:44 |
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| clau2 | no idea then. coderus said he's working on a bigger release, which will include many bugfixes. there's no ETA yet, afaik. | 15:45 |
| Nicd- | Cimont_: then you should say mitakuuluu, not whatsapp :p | 15:45 |
| Cimont_ | okay, it's not that of a big deal just that very ugly friend of mine is creeping the hell out of me every time I open my phone | 15:47 |
| Cimont_ | Nicd-: you're right | 15:47 |
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| oh8gnz | have you usd telegram (unofficial) client from yandex? is it ok? | 16:11 |
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| oh8gnz | is it usable? | 16:15 |
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| clau2 | oh8gnz, I recommend that you install Aptoide from Jolla Store, and install Telegram from Aptoide. | 16:32 |
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| clau2 | oh8gnz, you can get version 1.4.12 from there. I've tested it and it works fine, but I'm not actively using it. | 16:33 |
| clau2 | except for notifications, but that's a general issue for android apps at this time | 16:34 |
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| clau2 | also, someone (can't remember the name, sorry) is working on a native client. you'll find more information on together.jolla.com | 16:34 |
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| Yaniel | now just waiting for the meeting minutes.. | 17:09 |
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| mornfall | hmm, rapid red blinking | 17:17 |
| mornfall | and green | 17:17 |
| mornfall | and still green... I guess it's battery removal time | 17:18 |
| mornfall | oh | 17:18 |
| mornfall | it came back | 17:18 |
| mornfall | connection error | 17:18 |
| mornfall | but opening settings freezes it again | 17:19 |
| mornfall | now it's persistent red blink | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: ssh in; devel-su; gcore `pidof lipstick` ; gcore `pidof jolla-settings` ; gcore `pidof connmand` | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | pretty please | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | when frozen | 17:22 |
| mornfall | too late :\ also, it didn't have a connection | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah, damn | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's a very elusive bug | 17:23 |
| mornfall | I rebooted the AP | 17:23 |
| mornfall | might be related | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:23 |
| mornfall | (well, not exactly intentionally, I just dropped a live cable into water...) | 17:24 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: is USB networking alive at all times, on the phone side? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | not afaik | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | it depends | 17:25 |
| mornfall | I guess I could have tried to bring up network in the terminal | 17:26 |
| mornfall | (since the UI comes alive after a while, but you can't get into settings) | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, plug in usb cable, should ask for options | 17:27 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: even if settings is hung? :-) | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'd think so | 17:29 |
| mornfall | well, next time it happens I know what to do... | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon install gdb | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:29 |
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| Turski | Stskeeps: got many reports on that issue? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: a few here and there; it's the kind of thing i'd really like to find.. | 18:26 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: have you got any dumps yet? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | nop :/ | 18:26 |
| Turski | :/ | 18:26 |
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| szopin_sailing | question: how to override default placement of make install libs in /usr/local to /usr? keep needing to manually cp .pc files and ldconfig (in chroot, but believe the same happens outside) | 18:51 |
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| JvD_ | kimmoli: Is there a way to talk to i2c-1 without having root access? | 18:56 |
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| kimmoli | it should work after some update, amybe 1.0.4.20 | 19:00 |
| kimmoli | skvark did notice that i2ctools works nicely even w/o root by accident. | 19:01 |
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| skvark | yeah, it works without root | 19:02 |
| memoryleak_ | good evening everyone | 19:02 |
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| JvD_ | yes it works | 19:05 |
| kimmoli | makes things usefull | 19:05 |
| JvD_ | I had the devaamo myhalf little twisted | 19:05 |
| kimmoli | or usable - | 19:05 |
| JvD_ | yep | 19:06 |
| JvD_ | are you re-using your I2cif class from i2ctool on your other toh stuff? | 19:07 |
| kimmoli | not actually | 19:07 |
| JvD_ | so you are re-implementin i2c functions | 19:08 |
| kimmoli | typically i write low-level c-routiness speifically to the component i use. | 19:08 |
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| JvD_ | ok. but would it be less work if i2cwrite and i2cread where more generic and then implement device specific on top of that? | 19:09 |
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| kimmoli | could be, but i2c is not always so generic... | 19:11 |
| JvD_ | =) | 19:11 |
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| kimmoli | and those ioctl things are abstract enough for me | 19:12 |
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| szopin_sailing | nemomobile-packages/libsdl-image is borked, ./configure generates makefile that cries lack of automake1.13? looks like makefile.in, rather than makefile | 19:40 |
| szopin_sailing | autogening results in errors with sdl_color | 19:40 |
| szopin_sailing | in bmp file wut? | 19:41 |
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| szopin_sailing | my attempt at increasing the appspace: https://together.jolla.com/question/39620/request-xwayland/ atill no idea how this would work in practice for libs that are X specific (libXSDL2?) if app requires conflicting lib in X version | 20:08 |
| skvark | JvD_: I wrote a generic class for reading/writing and then used it, works fine although those leds which I use do not follow the generic memory register paradigm | 20:08 |
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| szopin_ | sailors: is xwayland even considered? or do you rxpect community to come up with it? seeing how many apps this can bring if jolla support is out of the question we should probably thinkbof KS campaign or something | 20:50 |
| rangoy | how do i switch to the 10th running app? | 20:50 |
| special | rangoy: launcher icon | 20:50 |
| szopin_ | patch lipstick | 20:50 |
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| special | szopin_: what would you need from sailors for it? | 20:51 |
| szopin_ | guidance if not provide | 20:52 |
| szopin_ | all those llvmpipe stuff | 20:52 |
| cxl000 | szopin_ X has been actively removed | 20:52 |
| rangoy | special: whete is that? | 20:52 |
| szopin_ | howblibhybris works, weston has docs | 20:52 |
| szopin_ | where is doc of jolla stack? | 20:52 |
| special | rangoy: launcher icons are what you use to start the application. If it's already running, it will be activated instead | 20:52 |
| szopin_ | following wesron xwayland inatructionsbruns into wall right after start | 20:53 |
| rangoy | special: ah.. not any other way? | 20:53 |
| cxl000 | but I have an old xwayland patched X server in OBS | 20:54 |
| szopin_ | comparing to n900 simple git clone/make/make install it is a jungle | 20:54 |
| szopin_ | you have working xwayland??? | 20:55 |
| szopin_ | cxl000: yeah, on 1.0.2.5 libX11-devel was pkcon installable | 20:56 |
| cxl000 | only tested on x86 and openpandora. needed some updated packages so might break sfos | 20:57 |
| szopin_ | cxl000: what's your tmo handle? | 20:58 |
| cxl000 | dont have one | 20:58 |
| szopin_ | :( | 20:58 |
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| szopin_ | any contact outside irc? | 20:59 |
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