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| crazy_im1 | Jope: got mail today \o/ | 10:31 |
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| crazy_im1 | thanks :) | 10:31 |
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| Jope | crazy_im1: great! :-D | 10:42 |
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| Venemo | AL13N / AL13N_work ping | 10:49 |
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| rangoy | how do i set the sync period for mail? if i go to Settings -> Apps -> Email, jolla only exits settings without any other clue. How can I get a log with any clues? | 10:56 |
| ggabriel | rangoy: have terminal? check sudo journalctl, check for missing files | 10:58 |
| crazy_im1 | Jope: are some of those stickers from a logo prototyping phase? :) | 11:04 |
| Venemo | AL13N: I'm implementing your feature request :) sorry for taking so long with it | 11:06 |
| Jope | crazy_im1, in the beginning our logo was "we don't have a logo" :-) | 11:06 |
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| Jope | crazy_im1, then someone realized that hmm, maybe a proper brand is a good idea after all :_D | 11:06 |
| Jope | this was back at the first slush we went to | 11:07 |
| Jope | everyone's t-shirt had a different logo and IIRC our website also changed it on reload | 11:07 |
| Jope | it's been so long :-) | 11:07 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: which one :-) | 11:08 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: the one which lets you play it hard | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | yeah | 11:08 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: interested in trying a new RPM? | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | i can try it, yes | 11:09 |
| crazy_im1 | Jope: :D | 11:09 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: do you have DCC receive on the jolla IRC client? | 11:09 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | dcc is such a shit technology | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | there, i said it | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:09 |
| AL13N_work | it is | 11:10 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: nope, we don't (I think) | 11:10 |
| Jope | stskeeps, yeah, invented in more innocent times :-D | 11:10 |
| Jope | before dem nats and firewallz | 11:10 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: but I'll upload it somewhere and you can download | 11:10 |
| AL13N_work | ok | 11:10 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: where does the SDK put my RPMs? | 11:10 |
| sharpneli | Ah. The good old times when you could write ATH0+++ in IRC and at least a few guys would drop out each time :D | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i don't know | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | ** NO CARRIER | 11:11 |
| Venemo | ah | 11:11 |
| Venemo | got it | 11:11 |
| Venemo | sorry | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | (as in, i literally don't know) | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | sharpneli: what does that do? | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | is that like AT hangup? or something? | 11:11 |
| sharpneli | AL13N_work: Yeah it's AT hangup | 11:11 |
| sharpneli | Sorry. it was +++ATH0. :p | 11:11 |
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| sharpneli | Some modems parsed all data that came trough them for the AT commands, thus you could make them hang up by simply sending them that string. | 11:12 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 11:12 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: here you go: http://venemo.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7427b57e3934472f7ca59222fcb7fd08 | 11:12 |
| sharpneli | Actually it was only sent data. Thus you had to send something that make them echo it :D | 11:12 |
| AL13N_work | sharpneli: you mean like a bot? | 11:13 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: after clicking on an image, explore the '...' button on the top right corner. it will ask if you are sure and then will never, ever ask again | 11:13 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: I'd welcome any suggestions for hiding it from noob users | 11:13 |
| AL13N_work | this reminds me... i didn't get why there's an option to remove close as swipe from top | 11:14 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: because there are a bunch of losers who come from android and didn't get the swipe from top thing | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: ok, but how does one close an app then? | 11:20 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: from the home screen, long press | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: ok, i started the most difficult one | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: djeez | 11:20 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: you asked for it | 11:21 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 11:21 |
| AL13N_work | yes | 11:21 |
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| Venemo | AL13N_work: too hard? :P | 11:22 |
| AL13N_work | i'm working atm | 11:22 |
| AL13N_work | ... | 11:22 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 11:22 |
| Venemo | you mean, playing | 11:22 |
| AL13N_work | it's definately small, i haven't started yet | 11:22 |
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| AL13N_work | Venemo: btw: how about portrait mode? | 11:22 |
| AL13N_work | and instead of buttons in the corner, some kind of sailfish pulley menu stuff | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | donno how | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | but just saying | 11:23 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: I thought about it, but I can't implement it in any way that makes sense | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | you could do like gallery does | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | you press in the middle short and get a stats halfway | 11:23 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: about portrait mode: I can't think of a way to rotate the puzzle while it's being played | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | where you can go back and have pulley menu | 11:23 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: about pulley: I couldn't figure out how to implement it without conflicting with the game itself | 11:24 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: the puzzle shouldn't be rotated, but sometimes the pic is in portrait mode | 11:24 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: yeah, i understand it | 11:24 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: if the original pic is in portrait mode, the app will let you play it in (sort of) portrait mode | 11:25 |
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| Venemo | AL13N_work: that's the best I could come up with for the moment | 11:25 |
| rangoy | ggabriel: ailed to parse profile XML: "/home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync/syncemail.xml" --- this file is empty | 11:26 |
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| ggabriel | rangoy: try deleting it | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | rangoy: if it doesn't work, I can pastebin mine and you replace it | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | worked with the other guy (tm) | 11:27 |
| rangoy | ggabriel: just did, and seems like it's working niow | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | probably a good idea to document this in tjc | 11:27 |
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| stephg | hey ggabriel do you know if the syncing backend supports n9-like timeschedules yet? | 11:27 |
| stephg | just had a look at the format of that xml file and it looks like it might almost | 11:28 |
| stephg | (even if the frontend doesn't) | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: it's playable, the only thing is that the guide is pretty big, maybe if you could move it a bit further instead of on the corner itself | 11:28 |
| ggabriel | stephg: not sure what you mean by n9-like time schedules | 11:28 |
| stephg | iirc the n9 could be set up to sync only during business hours etc. | 11:28 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: once I have more free time, I will probably think of a way for that pulley menu idea to work. for now, this is what I could give | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: oh, and one more thing, the rotater is always in the same corner, which means you know the rotation of the piece | 11:28 |
| ggabriel | stephg: oh | 11:28 |
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| ggabriel | dunno, i had to try it too | 11:29 |
| ggabriel | bu tlet me know if it works for you :) | 11:29 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: yes, it's intended as a way to help you | 11:29 |
| AL13N_work | :-( | 11:29 |
| AL13N_work | too easy :-) | 11:29 |
| AL13N_work | maybe there could be a settings pulley menu at the start screen | 11:29 |
| AL13N_work | there you could hide the setting about it being too difficult, for instance | 11:30 |
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| AL13N_work | Venemo: just an idea | 11:30 |
| Venemo | as I said, when I'm through with my exams, I'll have more time to spend on it :) | 11:31 |
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| Venemo | AL13N_work: if it's playable enough for the moment, I'll release this as an update and then I can work on it more later. is that good enough for you? :) | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: shouldn't you be working? :) | 11:32 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: no he shouldn't | 11:33 |
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| rangoy | <schedule interval="15" syncconfiguredtime="" days="4,5,2,3,1,6,7" time="" enabled="true"> --- what's about the days? | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | you mean why they aren't ordered? | 11:38 |
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| Nicd- | oooooh, we can now set our own sounds for the OH ambiences | 11:44 |
| Nicd- | I missed that completely in the changelog but it was mentioned in the email I just received | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: :) | 11:47 |
| Tofe | oooh I like the features announced for next update | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | Tofe: next updateS | 11:48 |
| Tofe | ah, mmh, ok | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: link? | 11:48 |
| Tofe | the mail I just got from Jolla, didn't you get it too ? | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | We have lots of great plans for our upcoming software releases, many of which have been requested by our active community at together.jolla.com. Among the main new features to be introduced are 4G LTE support in selected countries including Finland, two-way sync possibility for Google contacts, and calDAV support for different calendar services. | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | oh, that's in the email | 11:49 |
| oh8gnz | sounds really nice | 11:49 |
| Tofe | Two-ways sync for gmail is exactly what I'm waiting for since the beginning | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | i saw caldav coming tbh | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | which i'm using anyway | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | 4g would be nice to try it :D | 11:50 |
| oh8gnz | I do have 4G access in my contract with operator | 11:50 |
| oh8gnz | but needing to get it working in phone too.. ;) | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | me too | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | i'm expecting battery drain tho | 11:51 |
| oh8gnz | but jolla is getting all the time better | 11:51 |
| oh8gnz | have there been any talking about contact information groups | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | problem with 4g is that i know that there is not enough bandwidth, so if it drains battery i may just switch it off | 11:51 |
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| oh8gnz | f.e. for sms usage | 11:51 |
| Elleo | battery life with 4g on the jolla is still fairly decent | 11:52 |
| Nicd- | I'm waiting anxiously for two-way CalDAV and CardDAV | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | Elleo: good to hear | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: caldav works | 11:52 |
| Elleo | I downloaded a ~400mb video at around 20mbps in central london without losing too much battery compared to doing it over 3g | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | well, at least with yahoo and davical | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | Elleo: but isn't 3g as fast? | 11:52 |
| Elleo | ggabriel: on 3g I usually only get around 6-8mbps | 11:53 |
| Elleo | presumably it's more of a conention issue than anything, being that there are less people using the 4g network at the moment | 11:53 |
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| ggabriel | Elleo: could be... hspa+ takes you to 168mb/s | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | note b=bit | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: openrepos? | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: nope, search for the caldav question in tjc, first answer i think | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | but buteo plugin, no UI tho | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | and you have to compile your own account creator | 11:55 |
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| ggabriel | it's a bit of a [fun] hassle, but it works just fine | 11:55 |
| ggabriel | _or_ you may as well wait for the may update ;) | 11:55 |
| rangoy | Nicd-: yes, strange ordering. not that it (probably) matters, just looks very strange | 11:55 |
| Elleo | ggabriel: iirc a lot depends on distance from base station as well though | 11:56 |
| faenil | can anyone with up5 please hand me a list of installed packages? | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | you may have a point with that 4g is not used as much | 11:56 |
| Elleo | I think you'll typically get higher rates at greater distances from the tower via LTE | 11:56 |
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| Elleo | also this was an average of 20mbps | 11:56 |
| Elleo | so there might well have been peaks higher than that | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | Elleo: yeah, it sounds good | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | i'll wait eagerly | 11:57 |
| Elleo | and I was on the train at the time so would have been shifting between towers a fair amount | 11:57 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: ok, I'll just wait :P I'm trying to avoid doing stuff like that | 11:57 |
| Elleo | unfortunately the 4g roll out in london hasn't quite reach me yet (I'm right on the edges) | 11:57 |
| faenil | "rpm -qa | sort" please :) | 11:57 |
| Nicd- | rangoy: strange to us, but not to a computer | 11:58 |
| Elleo | so I only get to play with it when I'm travelling into/through the centre | 11:58 |
| Venemo_j | AL13N_work: so, shall I release it as it is? | 11:58 |
| ballock | as we're talking of calendars, anyone knows if there's a way to use another google calendar (not just the default one)? | 11:59 |
| Venemo_j | ballock: actually both of my google calendars appear on the device | 12:01 |
| ballock | really? | 12:01 |
| Venemo_j | yes | 12:01 |
| Venemo_j | I have one just for my uni lessons | 12:02 |
| ballock | darn, I guess I should have re-created the Google account after the 1.0.0 release | 12:02 |
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| Nicd- | my jolla skips some calendars :( | 12:02 |
| Nicd- | even after I recreated my google account | 12:02 |
| ballock | what about calendars of other users that are in your Goolge acnt? | 12:03 |
| Nicd- | ballock: I used to see my wife's calendars | 12:03 |
| Nicd- | now I can see them in the "Manage calendars" view but I can't see any events in the calendar itself | 12:03 |
| Yaniel | my jolla still has a duplicate calendar from exchange | 12:04 |
| pp | ballock: nuking the calendar db also seems to be sometimes necessary | 12:06 |
| ballock | why did my recent calls clear out after removing google account? Was it like... synced there? | 12:06 |
| Nicd- | my calls were cleared too, might've been because I removed my google account | 12:06 |
| faenil | please, rpm -qa | sort for me guys :P | 12:06 |
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| bjorn | The update is nicely unreadable again due to the rather light-gray text... fortunately "Select All" helps in my current browser... | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | yeah, the contrast is pretty low | 12:08 |
| Venemo_j | bjorn, Nicd- have you tried reading it on the jolla? | 12:09 |
| Nicd- | I did read some earlier email on the device and it was fine | 12:09 |
| Nicd- | but not this one | 12:09 |
| bjorn | Venemo_j: I just tried it. It's completely impossible. | 12:10 |
| Venemo_j | finally someone who agrees with me | 12:10 |
| Venemo_j | Aard: ^^^^ | 12:10 |
| bjorn | I mean sure you can "punish" yourself and force your eyes to read the text, but... | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | I can read it just fine | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | but I agree it should be darker | 12:11 |
| Scelt | is there a "find in page" in the browser? | 12:11 |
| bjorn | This is designers for you. They don't like text, so they make it as small and light as they can so their "design" stands out better. | 12:12 |
| faenil | Scelt, nope | 12:13 |
| Scelt | faenil: blaah | 12:13 |
| faenil | Scelt, adding that feature is not as easy as you may think :) | 12:15 |
| faenil | (afaik) | 12:15 |
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| Venemo_j | bjorn, Nicd- and the font size should be bigger | 12:17 |
| Scelt | faenil: yea but the browser itself may be the biggest disappointment ni the sailfish os. it's so ancient | 12:17 |
| faenil | Scelt, it's actually based on Gecko29 :P | 12:18 |
| Scelt | the ui is based on mosaik :P | 12:19 |
| faenil | :D | 12:19 |
| faenil | it's OSS though, why don't we help make it better :) | 12:19 |
| Scelt | that can't be the excuse for everything | 12:19 |
| bjorn | Venemo_j: Yes, though the browser seems to show most pages with too small fonts. | 12:20 |
| faenil | of course not, but, you know, people here are always complaining about things not being oss | 12:20 |
| faenil | "if that was OSS, I'd be contributing all days!" | 12:20 |
| faenil | people are always like that | 12:20 |
| faenil | then you OSS something, and... | 12:20 |
| bjorn | Venemo_j: Could be a website issue though, since my own site is rendering fine. | 12:20 |
| Scelt | faenil: sure, I know | 12:20 |
| faenil | how many commits? 0 | 12:20 |
| faenil | 0 .... 0 | 12:20 |
| Scelt | have anyone noticed that html (i guess) emails sometimes screw up the email software so you can't flick left or right anymore? | 12:21 |
| Scelt | only put it to cover mode or close it but can't go back to email list | 12:21 |
| bjorn | Scelt: Sure, I noticed it. | 12:21 |
| Scelt | Is there a bug ticket for it? | 12:22 |
| bjorn | faenil: I contribute to open source as much as my spare time allows. Of course most of it goes to my own projects, but I do contribute elsewhere sometimes... | 12:22 |
| Venemo_j | bjorn: it is an issue with the newsletter | 12:22 |
| faenil | bjorn, sure :) | 12:23 |
| bjorn | faenil: But to contribute to a browser is a pretty big leap. :) | 12:23 |
| mcfrisk | should old mms messages start working/attachments downloaded in inbox after adding mms settings for the provider? | 12:23 |
| faenil | just noticing that there are so many people in this community, and yet the number of commits (from those complaining) is close to null | 12:23 |
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| faenil | bjorn, not really, you don't have to mod the engine :) | 12:24 |
| faenil | (as in, there are many other things) | 12:24 |
| ar | hm | 12:24 |
| bjorn | faenil: Depends. My main problem with it is that it displays most pages with too small fonts. | 12:24 |
| bjorn | faenil: It's probably cause it tells the page "hey I got many pixels!", but since the pixels are so small, sites shouldn't treat them as such. | 12:25 |
| ar | is it possible to make the email client default to plain-text mail, and not show htmlmail or compose htmlmail unless explicitly asked to? | 12:25 |
| bjorn | faenil: But really this goes beyond what I could comfortably patch up, and any solution on the browser side would likely mess up sites that tried to do the right thing. | 12:25 |
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| faenil | :) | 12:25 |
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| ballock | pp: how do you nuke the calendar db? | 12:34 |
| pp | https://together.jolla.com/question/33975/bug-google-calendar-not-showing-all-events/ | 12:34 |
| Venemo_j | bjorn, faenil simply, the newsletter isn't responsive and doesn't adjust to the device screen. it is possible to make a news letter that does, or a website that does, just jolla hasn't done it | 12:35 |
| ballock | thanks | 12:35 |
| pp | (might want to check whether it's bloated first with sqlite) | 12:35 |
| faenil | please, can anyone give me the package lists | 12:38 |
| faenil | packages list* | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | faenil: I'll do it | 12:39 |
| faenil | thank you! | 12:39 |
| faenil | rpm -qa | sort | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | just got off work | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | devel-su? | 12:40 |
| faenil | not needed afaik | 12:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | We have lots of great plans for our upcoming software releases, many of which have been requested by our active community at together.jolla.com. Among the main new features to be introduced are 4G LTE support in selected countries including Finland, two-way sync possibility for Google contacts, and calDAV support for different calendar services. | 12:40 |
| Morpog_PC | 12:40 | |
| Morpog_PC | More info about these will follow soon, stay tuned! | 12:40 |
| Scelt | have anyone managed to get two diff google accounts to android vm? I'd like to do so but haven't managed to find out how since you can't access android system settings | 12:41 |
| * Morpog_PC likes newsletters with roadmap info | 12:41 | |
| Nicd- | faenil: what's your email? | 12:42 |
| faenil | Nicd-, pastebin is okay | 12:42 |
| faenil | (if it's okay to you) | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | it's easier to send it by mail | 12:43 |
| faenil | okay | 12:43 |
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| Morpog_PC | it is? | 12:43 |
| matoking | Just got my phone back from care | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: from device | 12:43 |
| Morpog_PC | ah ok | 12:43 |
| matoking | Time to start reinstalling everything :P | 12:43 |
| faenil | I'll be back later, thank you | 12:43 |
| faenil | lunch :) | 12:43 |
| * Morpog_PC always SSh into to get stuff from his Jolla | 12:44 | |
| matoking | I copied some app settings and the backups using SFTP | 12:44 |
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| matoking | But to be honest I should've just copied everything :P | 12:44 |
| Morpog_PC | :) | 12:44 |
| matoking | It seems that the repair took only about 4-5 hours to be completed starting from the moment the device was brought in | 12:46 |
| matoking | But best of all I got rid of all those defective pixels | 12:47 |
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| bjorn | Disabling the close gesture is a lot less useful than I had expected. | 12:53 |
| bjorn | What I had expected was that this would allow locking directly with that gesture also in an app. | 12:53 |
| bjorn | Instead, it turns it into another minimize, and disables locking from the home screen as well. | 12:54 |
| bjorn | How is that useful to anyone? :S | 12:54 |
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| ggabriel | it's useful to android people | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | and it's switcheable | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | so what's the issue? | 12:56 |
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| bjorn | Android people open their notifications by swiping from the top. | 12:56 |
| bjorn | If you wanted to help those guys, it should do the same as swiping from the bottom. | 12:56 |
| bjorn | My issue is only that I had expected the option to allow me to do something that _I_ would like, which is to have the top bar consistently available for locking the screen. | 12:57 |
| bjorn | I often want to lock the screen without closing my current app, and currently this requires minimizing first, or using the button (but I find the screen swipe much nicer than the button). | 12:58 |
| matoking | Uhh | 12:58 |
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| matoking | I logged into Jolla Store using my Jolla account | 12:58 |
| matoking | I opened the app again after a while and it claims that I'm not logged in | 12:58 |
| matoking | So I log in but it complains that "You already have a Jolla account on this device." | 12:59 |
| matoking | Is there something I'm missing here? | 12:59 |
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| matoking | Yeah, deleting the account and adding it again through Settings -> Accounts seems to have fixed it | 13:02 |
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| ggabriel | bjorn: i think there's a qustion in tjc requesting that | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | which is different to what has been implemented, which is (I think) purely to help ex-android users | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/39360/official-announcement-heads-up-delaying-one-release-during-summer/ | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: WAT | 13:17 |
| clau2 | :) | 13:18 |
| sharpneli | How dare they have a vacation after probably the most stressfull year ever :D | 13:20 |
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| pp | :) | 13:27 |
| pp | after the next update I should be 100% happy with the OS anyway | 13:27 |
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| ggabriel | i'm fairly happy right now | 13:29 |
| Turski | i'm quite unhappy with wlan now | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | well, except earlier today that i had to reinsert my sim card as i lost network connection | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | said sim card removed? | 13:29 |
| Turski | had to disable it completely because device was reporting working connection while it hadn't had connection for hours | 13:30 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: nope | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: (that's what surprised me...) | 13:30 |
| Turski | and can't connect to my school's wlan at all after update | 13:30 |
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| Turski | (saw the workaraound for eduroam in TJC, didn't try yet) | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | we're integrating connman 1.23 atm, it claims eduoram config or something.. | 13:31 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: but this seems to be wpa_supplicant bug | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | or lower layer, yes | 13:31 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: i have working configuration for connman to connect eduroam, but it's not working after update | 13:31 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: will we get fixed wpa_supplicant as hotfix? | 13:32 |
| Turski | or is jolla even deploying any hotfixes at the moment? | 13:32 |
| flux | hmm, I wonder if the old versions are still available | 13:34 |
| flux | ie. is it possible to manually make a 'mix and match'-environment to your phone | 13:35 |
| flux | such as, pick an older connman if it works for you.. | 13:35 |
| Turski | it's not about connman, it's about wpa_supplicant | 13:35 |
| HtheB | meow | 13:36 |
| lg5BLHDcs | hi all. Is a jolla user from switzerland in here? | 13:36 |
| Turski | and there's patched version available there https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/#post-id-38843 | 13:36 |
| Turski | but i would like to get official package for this | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | Turski: well, the equation for hotfixes is roughly: do we have enough capacity to do a full system testing and the normal testing ongoing for next update, if we do, then hotfix | 13:44 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: ok, so the answer is pretty much: no :P | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: https://github.com/mer-packages/wpa_supplicant + merge request + prod Sage | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | should make it in then | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | (wrong answer?) | 13:48 |
| flux | maybe there could be a semi-official staging repository for more adventurous users | 13:49 |
| flux | hopefully containing only breaking stuff that can be recovered from in some fashion :) | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's the repository we use in sailfish, 1:1 | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:50 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: i accept that answer | 13:50 |
| flux | well, something more generally available. something you could cherry-pick packages from. I'm betting many with, say, broken wifi or MMS would be interested in testing. | 13:50 |
| flux | possibly with even a wider array of test scnearios than Jolla has the ability to test in. (ie. foreign countries) | 13:51 |
| flux | possibly even with ability to send crash dumps back to Jolla, if you have such a capability :) | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | i hope we'll be able to work a little better with this kind of stuff when we've cleaned up this unholy setup of repositories | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01426.html | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | dependencies is a biatch when you talk about low level packages tho | 13:55 |
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| ggabriel | see openbsd: at least once a year they recommend you update from snapshot | 13:56 |
| Turski | main problem with my wlan is that jolla seems to loose working connection when wpa key is renewed or something, it however still reports to apps (or something) that the connection is working | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | in fact, if you follow official releases, ypu upgrade by snapshot | 13:56 |
| Turski | then switching wlan off and on again gets the connection working again | 13:56 |
| Turski | but it might be thinking many hours that connection works while there's no working connection at all, and so i will not get any notifications about new mails or whatsapp messages or anything that needs network | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | $ grep github /tmp/mer.repos |grep http|wc -l | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | 235 | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | unsure as to whether they are a lot or too few :P | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | meego was ~1500 packages | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | Agenda for tomorrow's meeting: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003915.html | 14:29 |
| TemeV | Interesting. When I connect Jolla to my macbook with usb developer mode, I lose internet connection of my mac | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | TemeV: USB network priority selection | 14:30 |
| TemeV | I've been looking for something like that, but I can't find it | 14:30 |
| TemeV | Oh, there it is. "Set service order" | 14:32 |
| TemeV | It always helps, when you ask about it... | 14:32 |
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| HtheB | :) | 14:43 |
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| chem|st | Jolla's update email has -> "This time we updated all the preset ambience images" what images got updated??? | 14:54 |
| Yaniel | all of them | 14:55 |
| Yaniel | they got some colour/contrast tweaking | 14:55 |
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| chem|st | Yaniel: ok | 14:57 |
| chem|st | so nothing special | 14:58 |
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| Yaniel | yeah | 14:59 |
| Yaniel | they look better now IMHO | 15:00 |
| Yaniel | but nothing groundbreaking | 15:00 |
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| clau2 | Storm has suffered sone serious contrast boost. | 15:02 |
| clau2 | some* | 15:02 |
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| Yaniel | I like it | 15:04 |
| flux | not sure if they look better, but it probably addressed the problem of seeing some text over the default ambiences | 15:04 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 15:04 |
| Yaniel | well I like how they feel more lively now | 15:04 |
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| mcfrisk | man those new vkb sounds are annoying... | 15:29 |
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| artemma | Who knows how jolla stores hijack works? :) | 15:30 |
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| artemma | I checked in there today and... some prize draw? | 15:31 |
| artemma | One per day, one per whole week? | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | could be like a treasure hunt | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | maybe the sailors are good pirates ;-) | 15:32 |
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| covox | mcfrisk: you can turn them off and switch back to vibrate :) | 15:41 |
| covox | (for which I am so very very grateful) | 15:41 |
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| Quu | hmm | 15:46 |
| Quu | any way to unlink facebook-contact from phone-contact? | 15:46 |
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| Quu | because stupid phone linked 3 of my brothers into one contact | 15:46 |
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| mcfrisk | covox: thanks! | 15:48 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | the email application seems a little bit faster | 16:07 |
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| mcfrisk | is it planned to switch to 2g mode when mobile network is not active for example? I get one extra day of uptime compared to prefer 3g on with O2 in Germany? Related to https://together.jolla.com/question/15786/suggestion-2g-in-idle-for-saving-battery-time/ | 16:14 |
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| Quu | so uh, any way to unlink facebook automatic-links? :f | 16:56 |
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| AL13N | "In this update we have also fixed the OpenSSL "Heartbleed" bug." <--- funny | 18:44 |
| AL13N | i mean | 18:44 |
| AL13N | who runs a webserver or openvpn server, or related stuff on a phone? | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | AL13N: it affects clients too | 18:44 |
| AL13N | in what way? | 18:45 |
| Nicd- | a malicious server can steal a client's memory | 18:46 |
| AL13N | if you contact them | 18:46 |
| Plnt | now we can safely browse pr0n sites again.. :) | 18:46 |
| AL13N | but, the memory is limited to the 64k segment | 18:46 |
| Nicd- | but they can request more and more | 18:47 |
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| Nicd- | it's true it's more limited for clients | 18:47 |
| AL13N | i mean, an ssl server does get your credentials to the site anyway | 18:47 |
| szopin_sailing | anybody know what colour depth is on Jolla? 24? 32? | 18:47 |
| pp | could be credentials for another site | 18:47 |
| AL13N | pp: that is true | 18:48 |
| AL13N | maybe | 18:48 |
| pp | or mitming and getting credentials the client didn't want to tell you | 18:48 |
| AL13N | pp: well, you'd need to hack the server first, right? | 18:48 |
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| pp | nope | 18:48 |
| pp | you don't actually have to give the client a valid server cert ;) | 18:49 |
| AL13N | pp: the server certificate will be invalid towards the client | 18:49 |
| AL13N | anyway, i hope that this means some people will take another look at the ssl implementations again | 18:51 |
| AL13N | pp: btw: i get the message from my bank that it is not affected, because it does not use the opensource openssl | 18:51 |
| AL13N | so, my bank is safe for heartbleed, but is probably alot leakier... | 18:52 |
| AL13N | still, i wonder... i mean, besides openssl, what real world alternative is there | 18:52 |
| AL13N | it's not gnutls | 18:52 |
| AL13N | i heard about this new wolfssl thing, but i doubt a bank will be using this | 18:53 |
| phdeswer | They gave a talk at FOSDEM about wolfssl, but it is a small player | 18:55 |
| faenil | doesn't The First One ambiance come with its own ringtone? | 18:57 |
| AL13N | if it doesn't, it still can... | 18:59 |
| szopin_sailing | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_TLS_implementations lots of proprietary for banks to choose from | 18:59 |
| AL13N | except for polar, it all looks like small players to me | 19:00 |
| pp | AL13N: client hello -> bleed | 19:00 |
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| pp | no need to send them any cert - valid or not | 19:01 |
| AL13N | hmm | 19:01 |
| AL13N | phdeswer: szopin_sailing, pp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_TLS_implementations#Overview <-- which of these is a real world corporate player? | 19:02 |
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| phdeswer | AL13N: as usual the worst one? Because managers like buzzwords and fat guys in suits? | 19:03 |
| szopin_sailing | schannel? depends whrther they host on iis | 19:04 |
| szopin_sailing | internal infra could differ as they habe a lot of legacy atuff on mainframes | 19:04 |
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| * keithzg works at an extremely small company that hasn't even yet enabled https on our website . . . not that it *really* needs it, but it would've been nice, in theory. | 19:43 | |
| * keithzg feels quite smug in retrospect for giving into procrastination and the apathy of superiors about setting up https, haha | 19:43 | |
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| szopin_sailing | wow srry for twitpic but https://mobile.twitter.com/szopin/status/455795855967408130 no exceptions? no way to accept the risk? | 19:56 |
| Raim | szopin_sailing: the certificate was revoked. you won't find any way around that on desktop Firefox either. | 19:58 |
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| szopin_sailing | kind of trust libsdl.org... :/ | 19:58 |
| szopin_sailing | ouch | 19:58 |
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| Aard | szopin_sailing: you'll find quite a few revoked certificates aronud the internet these days :) | 19:58 |
| szopin_sailing | yeah i know, still... woucj | 19:59 |
| Raim | szopin_sailing: the SSL certificate is exactly that is supposed to make sure you really get libsdl.org and not something else :-) | 19:59 |
| Raim | seems to work without HTTPS, though | 19:59 |
| szopin_sailing | hahahahaha | 19:59 |
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| szopin_sailing | thx! will try | 19:59 |
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| szopin_sailing | nope, same thing, weird | 20:00 |
| szopin_sailing | maybe browser forces httpsing? | 20:01 |
| szopin_sailing | webcat to the rescue | 20:02 |
| rigo | could be a redirect. Not unusual now. Can't the sailfish browser accept things? | 20:02 |
| rigo | anyway.. bonne nuit! | 20:03 |
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| szopin | anyone knows if SDL2 on jolla needs any special treatment like sdl on maemo (no sdl_wm_seticon or similar)? | 21:33 |
| szopin | thp: any special tricks to get tetrepete to run/display maybe? | 21:35 |
| szopin | not sure if there is anyother sdl2 sailfish app/game out there working | 21:35 |
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| thp | szopin: the SDL2 packages in the repo work fine, don't they? | 21:42 |
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| szopin | just asking, tryhing experimental build of libtcod with experimental build of brogue, so if any tricks areneeded would help to know | 21:43 |
| szopin | got bblack window so far | 21:43 |
| szopin | so like almost there :D | 21:43 |
| thp | https://github.com/mer-qa/sdl2-opengles-test/ this might help for reference | 21:46 |
| szopin | sdl2-devel works fine for you? trying to install it into chroot gave me nothing provides libsdl2-0-0-0.dll or similar, old mingw bug afaict | 21:47 |
| szopin | thanks! will check it out | 21:47 |
| szopin | I believe 4.20 was without this bug, not 100%bsure though | 21:48 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, wifi was always a bit wonky, but with the current update I've noticed drops and disconnects rather frequently throughout the day :( | 23:06 |
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