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osatonare others having problems with android netflix after update 5? it now gets stuck on splash screen saying "Sorry, we could not reach the Netflix service. Please try again later. (-9)"05:47
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Quuasd07:08
Quuhad 70% battery last night07:09
Quuwoke up with phone shut down and 4% left07:09
Stskeepsnot good07:16
Stskeepsyou had a battery replacement right?07:16
Quuyup07:17
Stskeepsit still says 'jolla' right?07:17
AL13Nmaybe you got hacked into bitcoin mining07:17
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Quuyes, says jolla07:17
Stskeepsok07:17
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AL13Nmaybe run a small program that generates a logline each time a percentage drops07:18
AL13Nto see if it's sudden, or sustained07:18
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Stskeepsupower should put that in /var/lib/upower07:20
QuuStskeeps: fyi, talked with Aard yesterday, trying to get new phone trough him07:21
Quurandom shutdowns are worse than ever before after the update :f07:21
Stskeepsthat's weird07:21
Quuthey were gone for couple of weeks again07:21
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Quuthen they usually go for 2-6 days and disappear for couple of weeks07:22
YanielI've only had one or two random shutdowns in total07:31
Quui had probably 20 yesterday07:31
Quufriday, before update i had 207:31
StskeepsQuu: /var/log/systemboot.log has anything interesting?07:33
StskeepsHW SMPL?07:33
Quuyes, atleast one of those07:34
Stskeepsok07:34
Stskeepsany overheat ones?07:34
Quulots of lines with "x-no-time-stamp" :p07:34
Quunno, probably not07:35
Quuuh, want copy of the file?07:35
Stskeepssure07:35
Morpog_PC_stskeeps, is the android network problem with some apps a known problem?07:36
StskeepsMorpog_PC_: i haven't seen any personally07:36
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Morpog_PC_Stskeeps, even the yandex store has the problem07:37
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Yaniel20 shutdowns in a day O.O07:43
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StskeepsQuu: mm nothing too obvious other than you for sure have shutdown issues..07:43
Quuikr07:43
Yaniel:D07:45
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Morpog_PC_please vote up if you have android network problems with some apps since update 5:  https://together.jolla.com/question/39097/bug-some-android-apps-have-network-problems-since-update-5/08:32
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ln-also Netflix08:33
Morpog_PC_just comment there, so they can see it's not only me :)08:36
Morpog_PC_and vote up08:36
ln-did08:38
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Morpog_PC_thx08:40
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Morpog_PC_what happens with installed android apps if i remove android support?08:50
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william_genjust can not start it,I think08:52
Quuiirc the files stay there, just nothing to open em08:53
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NRKAhi, does anyone know if it is possible to remove the self studies app?09:19
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Nicd-you mean tutorial?09:20
NRKAyes09:20
Nicd-not from the UI at least09:21
tbrpkcon should be able to09:21
NRKAok09:21
kimmoli_sailingare the dependencies still there?09:22
Quuwill it still fuck with everything?09:22
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kimmoli_sailingjust remove /usr/share/applications/jolla-tutorial.desktop ?09:30
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clauis there any way of re-activating the in-app tips that came in with the last update?09:31
Stskeepsthey go away after 3-4 times don't they09:33
Morpog_PC_that was not the question :)09:33
claufor the startup wizard there are two files in ~nemo that can be deleted to reset it, but I've no idea how to reset the in-app tips.09:34
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Morpog_PC_i guess it's a per app thing and not globally09:35
claulooks like it.09:36
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ln-isn't it a bit odd that there are apps in the store that don't have a visible name?09:43
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ln-at least five of them in the new apps section alone. (, , , , and )09:45
stephgln-: dodgy notwork?09:46
Morpog_PC_ln-, I cannot reproduce09:46
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ln-for instance the fifth app in the list, by "Jussi24", a black-and-white icon with two hands in it09:49
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Nicd-cannot reproduce either09:56
Nicd-I see the name "Viito" just fine09:56
ln-i don't09:57
ln-some (same) names are also missing on the list under "Omat sovellukset" (my apps/installed apps)09:57
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kimmoliln-: i have some issues, and seems random which names are missing10:01
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ln-yes, they are random apps, but at least for me always the same apps.10:03
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kimmoli_sailingviito is missing for me too, paketti, siika at least missing too.10:04
ln-the same ones here.10:04
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kimmoli_sailingsame on my.other phone with same jolla account. third with different account shows those just fine.10:06
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clauok, I found a way for resetting the hints. This does it for email: gconftool-2 -s /sailfish/email/folder_access_hint_count -t int 010:51
clauwhen count reaches 4, you don't get the hints anymore.10:52
clauthere are similar settings for the other apps10:53
ggabrielyes! necromancer badge!10:56
ggabrieli always wanted that one10:56
clau:D10:57
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szopinAL13N: does one need to re-do the chroot after each update? now getting 'Cannot read input: bad stream or EOF.' when zyppering inside it :/12:10
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AL13Nszopin: the "mount --bind" needs to be redone13:28
AL13Na chroot is just a directory with files on it13:28
szopinAL13N: thx, will try it, also started getting connman/dbus errors, hopefully this will do13:28
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szopinhmm... don't believe was  binding it previously (only mention is about mount --binding OTP key?)13:33
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Eyeajolla )01!@ joy13:34
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AL13Ngoddamn, i got myself new PC parts13:57
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coderusMitakuuluu NOTICE: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/24215:20
clau2coderus: nice, looking forward to the next release.15:27
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Accetbr: Is there a guide how publishing at OBS works? I'd like to include it in my Sailfish apps article, but I'd first need to properly know how it works15:30
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c0ck4m0u53how to index new added files to sd card for media player to recognize them?16:26
Yanielshould happen automagically16:26
Yanielafter a while16:26
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c0ck4m0u53hm its been like 3 hours and nothing happend. Ive also tried restarting the phone. In previous releases there was a command tracker-sd-indexing-sd, anything similar still avaliable?16:28
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Yanielthere is a post on tjc about this...16:29
Yanielit basically involves killing the tracker miner processes and starting them again manually16:29
c0ck4m0u53ill look into it, thanks for the tip16:30
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cvphi friends, i need help. i am stay out from my country and the Roming-Internet downst work :( my card is not blocked, i checkt this. Internet settings are right. what can i do ?16:43
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TemeVcvp, Do you have roaming allowed from the phone?16:52
cvpTeme: yes16:52
cvpTemeV:16:53
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tbrAcce: the short version: a) build in your private repo against the sailfish:latest target16:56
tbrb) verify that app behaves properly, is packaged well, doesn't contain leftovers from other distribution packaging (init scripts)16:57
tbrc) submit a SR to the currently latest sailfish:chum:xxxx:testing16:57
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tbrsomeone should accept it (poke lbt or me on #sailfishos) from there it should then be moved to chum proper after review and testing16:58
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tbrthings are still in flux as jolla has not said anything publicly, at all. I personally refuse to work against an undefined target.16:59
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tbrthis will hopefully improve in the future as chum will be on the agenda for the second jolla vs. community meeting16:59
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Yanieljolla vs community meeting? tell me more17:01
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tbrYaniel: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003829.html17:07
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Yanieloh17:08
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tbrYaniel: there is a ginormous discussion and an etherpad17:08
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Yanielmaybe I really should join that mailing list17:08
cvpoh man... connection problem... cant connect with internet outside my country :(17:09
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cvpi turn in setting the roming on => alway without ask.... than i start the browser and the phone tell me, that i have choose a connection (3G/Wlan) , i type on 3g => than i get connection problem... i go back to setting and see that Internet connection are turn off17:12
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Accetbr: thanks for the summary!17:18
Stskeepscvp: try switching provider, i had problem on some vendors abroad even with n917:18
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cvpi  try it, i am stay in poland any choose orange, plus or t-mobile, the phone say me, that he cant connect to any provide17:24
cvpStskeeps:17:24
cvpStskeeps: what i dont understand is, that i am connected with tmobile, can calling, send sms, but if i choose other provider and choose than t-mobile, this will not work , i am confuse17:25
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tbrcvp: so you're roaming?17:28
tbrbecause I had no problems with orange and my Jolla17:28
tbrbut that was an orange prepaid17:28
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sharpneliQC is rather snide. They have an OpenCL extension cl_qcom_default_relaxed_math on Jolla17:30
cvptbr: yeah... stay right now in poland...17:30
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sharpneliThey basically break OpenCL spec like hell precision wise and it's ok because they made an extension that tells that they do it :D17:30
cvptbr: i check if i have block some setting in my contract from o2, but nothing, all open to use i-net in roming17:31
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tbrcvp: you could try setting the internet APN manually17:32
cvpyes, and its easy by o2... only need write "internet" or "pinternet.interkom.de" but both not working17:33
Stskeepscvp: ah, welcome to poland17:35
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Stskeepscvp: are you on 1.0.5.* ?17:36
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cvpdzenkuje ;) and yes i download the update before i drive to poland17:36
cvpStskeeps:17:36
Stskeepscvp: did you check the APN?17:36
cvpyes17:37
Stskeepsodd - anything useful in journal?17:37
cvphm ?17:38
Yanielregarding the "who is in charge/maintaining module X" question17:39
StskeepsYaniel: sometimes it's even confusing to me.. :P17:39
Yanielhow about some automated script that greps the commit logs say every night17:40
Yanieland builds a list of names for each module17:40
Yanielsorted by frequency17:40
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Stskeepswell, good idea, but commits doesn't (sadly) say anything about maintainership17:41
cvpStskeeps: is it possible to delete the settings over terminal to setting up new again ?17:41
Yaniel(and restrict to the latest X commits or commits during the last month or so)17:41
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cvpStskeeps: tbr TemeV - its done, i find a third setting what i never seen before, now its work :D17:46
Stskeepscool17:46
Stskeepscvp: where in poland, out of curiousity?17:47
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TemeVcvp, good that you got it to work :)17:49
cvpi am with familiy in "kujanki" if you know where is it :D17:50
cvpStskeeps:17:51
Stskeeps:nod: i live in warsaw myself, from not from poland..17:51
cvpi never was in warsaw, but i want :) i hear its expansive17:52
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cvpwe are here every year one or two times... love the girls... veeery nice :D17:53
Stskeepshehe17:53
Stskeepsmarried a polish girl :P17:53
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cvpi want... love it to speak polish... my parants are from poland (gdynia), i speak polsih to, but not perfect... but for the girls more than enough :D17:54
cvpto => too17:54
Stskeepslo Venemo17:54
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Venemohey Stskeeps :) how are you?18:09
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StskeepsVenemo: good thanks18:15
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AL13Nnow that MMS is implemented, it's time to turn it off: https://together.jolla.com/question/39198/hide-mms-option/19:24
AL13Nplz vote19:24
artemmaHas anybody tried to move files from Jolla to Mac over USB?19:26
* artemma usually used Dropbox, but maybe cable is faster and easier than sailbox19:27
artemmachoosing PC connection doesn't seem to be recognized by mac19:27
StskeepsMTP is a bit funny19:29
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* artemma translates it as "if you will issue proper commands deep in terminal, you might be able to connect"19:30
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artemmaokay, sailbox it is then :)19:30
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YanielI just use usbnet19:40
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artemmacybette: ping19:47
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coderusartemma: ssh? mac cant mount sshfs?19:53
artemmacoderus: I was hoping for "go to settings and click this" solution19:53
* artemma is quite a rookie when it comes to *nix tools19:54
Accewrite sftp://nemo@<your jolla ip> to your file browsers location line19:54
AcceI think it works in mac..19:54
artemmawhen connected in developer mode i guess19:55
Accemhm, you need dev mode indeed :/19:55
artemmaah, I can't ssh to usb cable address at all19:56
Acceover wifi is not fast enough?19:56
artemmasomebody told me I need to install some special utility or a driver to make it possible, but I didn't care to remember19:56
artemmayeah! WiFi would do indeed!19:56
artemmatrying19:56
artemmasftp://nemo@<your jolla ip>19:57
artemma-bash: sftp://nemo@192.168.1.38: No such file or directory19:57
Yaniel:.19:57
artemmasftp itself exists19:57
Yanieladd that to the end of the ip19:57
artemmadidn't help19:58
Yanielthen it will put you into /home/nemo19:58
Yaniel192.168.1.38:. ?19:58
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artemma-bash: sftp://nemo@192.168.1.38:.: No such file or directory19:58
Yanielhuh19:58
Yanielare you sure about the ip?19:58
Quu:-D19:58
Accehmm, I thought os x file browser had sftp capabilities19:58
Quuartemma: hit that to file browser19:58
artemmassh iotself to that address works fine19:58
Yanielnope, finder says sftp urls are not supported19:59
tevefrom the cli: sftp nemo@ip.ad.re.ss ?19:59
Yanielbut there is osxfuse which provides sshfs19:59
Yanielor, osxfuse and sshfs19:59
artemmafile browser doesn't help: -bash: sftp://nemo@192.168.1.38:.: No such file or directory19:59
artemmasorry19:59
artemmaURLs with the type “sftp:” are not supported.19:59
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artemmawell, it's allright20:00
artemmathanks for trying to help, I can wait until somebody posts a package-consumable description somewhere20:00
artemmameanwhile dropbox is okay20:00
ggabrielartemma: it'd be so much easier with linux *wink* *wink*20:01
Accewell, if you still want it, you can try https://filezilla-project.org/ which supports sftp20:01
Yanieldid you try sftp and dropping the sftp://?20:01
TemeVartemma, use e.g. cyberduck or other sftp program20:01
artemmaggabriel: I am into other things in ui as well :)20:01
artemmaYaniel, yes I tries that20:01
* artemma installs sshfs since it was mentioned20:01
Yanielanyway I installed the horndis usbnet driver and use sshfs20:02
ggabrielartemma: just joking (but what's wrong with gimp?! :P )20:02
TemeVyeah, sshfs gets the job done also20:02
artemmaI installed sshfs and.. what do I do with it? :)20:02
Yanielwha- where did gimp come from now20:03
Yanielartemma: sec20:03
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Yanieldid you install it via homebrew?20:03
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artemmaYaniel: yes20:03
Yanielrun the commands it told you to20:04
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Yanielto install & load the kext20:04
artemma-bash: sftp://nemo@192.168.1.38:.: No such file or directory20:04
Yaniel(for osxfuse)20:04
TemeVsshfs nemo@<ip>:/ /path/to/folder20:04
artemma-bash: sftp://nemo@192.168.1.38:/home/nemo: No such file or directory20:05
Yanielmy line $ sshfs nemo@192.168.1.224:/ tmp/mnt20:05
artemmaah20:05
artemmatrying..20:05
artemmaartem-mac-2:~ artem$ sshfs nemo@192.168.38:/ ~/tmp20:05
artemmathe OSXFUSE file system is not available (-1)20:05
Yanielworks with . as the path too20:06
artemmaI guess I need to install oxfuse20:06
Yanielyes, homebrew should have done that already20:06
artemmabrew install oxfuse doesn't find it20:06
Yanielsince it is a dependency20:06
Yanielbrew update?20:06
artemmastill doesn't find it20:07
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TemeVI use MacFUSE20:07
YanielRequired: osxfuse ✔, glib ✔20:08
Yanielhuh20:08
Yanielisn't macfuse osxfuse these days20:08
artemmalooks different on my homebrew20:08
Yanielwhat osx version?20:08
artemmalatest - mavericks20:08
Yanielah macfuse is not maintained20:09
TemeVI have 10.9 (what ever is the name of it)20:09
Yanielmavericks20:09
Yanielsame here20:09
TemeVyeah, it seems I have some centuries old beta version installed20:09
Yanielartemma: what does it tell you as the sshfs version there?20:09
Yanielhere it says sshfs: stable 2.5.0 (bottled)20:09
artemmaartem-mac-2:~ artem$ sshfs --version20:10
artemmaSSHFS version 2.5 (OSXFUSE SSHFS 2.5.0)20:10
artemmaOSXFUSE library version: FUSE 2.7.3 / OSXFUSE 2.6.420:10
artemmano mount point20:10
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Yanielhum so oy does find osxfuse?20:10
Yanieldid the kernel extension not get loaded properly then20:10
Yanielosxfuse: stable 2.6.4 (bottled), HEAD20:10
artemmaI guess it finds oxfuse as a library, but doesn't find some resource20:10
Yanielsee $ brew info osxfuse20:11
YanielCaveats lists a couple of commands you need to run first20:11
artemmafinds somethign..20:12
artemmaretrying install (mayd thee were typos)20:12
artemmaartem-mac-2:~ artem$ brew install osxfuse20:12
artemmaWarning: osxfuse-2.6.4 already installed20:12
artemmayeah, I mistyped it as oxfuxe earlier. Installed by now anyway20:12
Yanielrun those sudo commands20:13
Yanielthen it should work20:13
artemmaartem-mac-2:~ artem$ please sshfs nemo@192.168.38:/ ~/jolla-disk20:14
artemmaPassword:20:14
artemmafuse: bad mount point `/Users/artem/jolla-disk': No such file or directory20:14
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Yaniel~/jolla-disk needs to be an existing folder20:14
artemma"please" is my alias to "sudo" - to feel more respect to computer20:14
Yanielas for any mountpoint20:14
artemmaah, ok20:14
Yanielno need to sudo sshfs20:14
artemmaartem-mac-2:~ artem$ sshfs nemo@192.168.38:/ ~/jolla-disk20:14
artemmathe OSXFUSE file system is not available (-1)20:14
artemmathe OSXFUSE file system is not available (1)20:14
Yanieland you missed the .1 in the IP20:14
artemmaoups20:15
artemmastill same result20:15
Yanielhum, try rebooting20:15
artemmaI guess it stops before trying to mount20:15
artemmamm.. okay, will try20:15
Yanielyeah it fails to open the osxfuse driver20:15
TemeVhmm... where has my macports/home brew disappeared. I'm quite sure I had one of those installed20:17
Yanielmaybe even fink? :P20:17
artemmaTemeV: osx update?20:17
Yanielnah20:17
Yanielwell nuking your .bashrc might hide it20:17
TemeVI haven't used for a long time though20:18
Yanielat least macports adds a line to fixup $PATH there20:18
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TemeVoh, I just remembered the command wrong20:19
TemeVit is port, not macports20:19
Yanielyea20:20
TemeVAre macports still maintained? It seems there is quite old stuff20:21
Yanielno clue20:21
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TemeVoh, and actually my sshfs uses fuse4x20:23
specialfuse4x is what you want20:23
TemeVi guess that macfuse is for NTFS-3G20:24
special'brew install sshfs', follow the instructions in 'brew info fuse4x-kext', then it should work20:24
artemmatrying brew info fuse4x-kext20:25
Yanielokay wat20:26
Yanielthere is fuse4x, fuse4x-kext and osxfuse20:26
Yanielapparently I have the last two installed20:26
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artemmafolllowing instructions..20:26
artemmahmm: chmod: /Library/Extensions/fuse4x.kext/Support/load_fuse4x: No such file or directory20:26
Yanielor just try the installers from http://osxfuse.github.io20:27
artemmaand then certainly:artem-mac-2:~ artem$ mount -t fuse4x20:27
artemmaartem-mac-2:~ artem$ sudo kextunload -b org.fuse4x.kext.fuse4x20:27
artemma(kernel) Kext org.fuse4x.kext.fuse4x not found for unload request.20:27
artemmaFailed to unload org.fuse4x.kext.fuse4x - (libkern/kext) not found.20:27
artemmaI thought I have osxfuse already..20:27
artemmaartem-mac-2:~ artem$ brew install fuse4x20:30
artemmaError: Cannot install fuse4x because conflicting formulae are installed.20:30
artemma  osxfuse: because both install `fuse.pc`20:30
artemmahmm.. so osxfuse is to be killed before I install fuse4x, right?20:30
Yanielyes20:31
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artemmaokay, fuse4x is in20:34
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artemmafollowed brew instructions, some progress now!20:35
artemmaartem-mac-2:~ artem$ sshfs nemo@192.168.1.38:. ~/jolla-disk20:35
artemmadyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libosxfuse_i64.2.dylib20:35
artemma  Referenced from: /usr/local/bin/sshfs20:35
artemma  Reason: image not found20:35
artemmaimage of what? :)20:35
ln-image as in that dylib is not found20:36
artemmagoogle suggests something like "Your version of sshfs was compiled for MacFUSE"20:37
artemmaso maybe I have improper build of sshfs?20:37
artemmaYour version of sshfs was compiled for MacFUSE. That's why you need OSXFUSE's "MacFUSE compatibility layer"20:37
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artemmaah, actually that's the other way around..20:38
Yanielmaybe just get the installer from their official site20:38
artemmawell, I don't know20:38
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artemmainstaller of sshfs?20:38
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YanielI'd trust those more than homebrew when in doubt20:38
Yanielosxfuse.github.io20:39
Yanielhas installers for both osxfuse and sshfs20:39
artemmabut.. I thought I just replaced it with fuse4x?20:39
Yanielwhich clearly didn't work20:39
Yaniel(also brew says sshfs has osxfuse in its dependencies, not fuse4x)20:40
artemmaaha, so I better unlink fuse4x first?20:40
Yanielyes20:41
Yaniel(sorry, I kind of assumed you know your way around there :))20:41
artemmanot really, mostly I just remember few commands that work20:42
artemmalike ssh or scp20:42
Yanieltalk about prejudice against jolla users :D20:42
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TemeVok, this is interesting. I tried updating macports. It didn't work, but my CPU usage jumped to 60%, but top/activity monitor don't show any process using cpu20:45
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Yanielmavericks is weird20:46
TemeVmaybe I'll just try to remove the whole macports20:46
Yanielsometimes it feels as if the process lists lie or something20:46
Yanielor rather activity monitor20:47
Yanielend everything takes ages at first20:47
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artemmaokay, sshfs from homebrew + osxfuse from their web site installer did the job!20:55
artemmaThank you all! :)20:55
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