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| ponky | hah | 07:57 |
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| ponky | ops, MT | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | sharpneli: btw opencl cpu should have been in latest release? | 08:39 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: It indeed is! Big thanks o/ Gotta try it out :) | 08:59 |
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| sharpneli | The only downside right now is that it's ancient version with a lot of the latest optimizations missing. But one has to live with what one has :) | 09:02 |
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| Wnt | Might be a good idea to not access untrusted sites with the Webcat browser before the OpenSSL of the device is updated: https://together.jolla.com/question/38086/urgent-bugfix-serious-vulnerability-jolla-please-update-openssl-lib/#comment-38366 | 10:41 |
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| louisdk | Am I the only one not getting a capital letter when I want to type something in Android apps like Facebook? | 13:48 |
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| flux | nice, my jolla reboted without warning | 14:11 |
| flanag | that's not really anything new | 14:11 |
| flux | iirc the first time for me :) | 14:11 |
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| flux | well, that I've noticed | 14:12 |
| flanag | were you using the mobile internet? | 14:12 |
| flux | it was connected, but it was idling | 14:12 |
| flux | sitting on the table | 14:12 |
| salami` | my jolla always crashes at a certain bridge in helsinki :) | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | salami`: which one? | 14:13 |
| flanag | heh | 14:13 |
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| salami` | Stskeeps: lauttasaari bridge | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | sameo: ^ | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | er, Sage- ^ | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:14 |
| phdeswer | salami`: any more info? As that is close to the Jolla offices and I am pretty sure we have people with Jollas crossing that bridge regulary too. | 14:16 |
| chem|st | I got a phonecall... | 14:16 |
| flanag | ? | 14:17 |
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| salami` | not the lauttasaari bridge sorry | 14:18 |
| salami` | the bigger one at länsiväylä | 14:18 |
| chem|st | flanag: that is new for me... ever since 1.0.4.20 I have no voice when I get a call | 14:18 |
| teve | salami`: which subscriber connection, mine (elisa) does not crash ? | 14:19 |
| salami` | elisa as well | 14:19 |
| salami` | crashes when I'm on the bus | 14:19 |
| flanag | salami`: does it crash even if you are not using it? | 14:20 |
| flanag | as mine has never crashed on its own, I have always been using it when it has crashed (browsing on the mobile connection) | 14:20 |
| salami` | no, it crashes if im doing something network related | 14:20 |
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| chem|st | one of the three applies in order of appearance when wanting to call someone - [SIM failure, everything but voice, it works] | 14:20 |
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| salami` | fetching mail, ssh connection etc. | 14:21 |
| flanag | yeah, same here | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | if you have SIM connection problems, send your device to care.. | 14:21 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: no connection problems in terms of hardware | 14:21 |
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| chem|st | soemtimes restarting a service does the trick sometimes a reboot... I did not have to pull the battery yet (ever) | 14:22 |
| flanag | chem|st: what's the sim failure then? have you tried if it loses sim connection when you touch the sim card bracket under TOH? | 14:23 |
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| chem|st | flanag: some value is unexpected or something | 14:27 |
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| chem|st | flanag: where do I need to push? | 14:31 |
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| flanag | just directly on the SIM (the problem with the bracket is the little golden triangle), don't use force | 14:31 |
| chem|st | ah ok no that works | 14:32 |
| flanag | so it doesn't lose the connection? | 14:33 |
| chem|st | only if I push the sim beyond the rubber | 14:33 |
| flanag | I am not sure what you mean? | 14:34 |
| flanag | you mean it only loses the connection if you actually move the SIM? | 14:35 |
| chem|st | the rubber-flap | 14:35 |
| flanag | so just touching _on_ the sim won't cause anything? | 14:35 |
| flanag | (not moving it) | 14:35 |
| chem|st | not even that, it looses connection when the golden triangle gets properly releasesd only | 14:35 |
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| flanag | so it would seem it's ok | 14:36 |
| flanag | (if I understood you) | 14:36 |
| chem|st | yes | 14:37 |
| chem|st | flanag: first time I recognized it to be failing me was after it updated something (cannot remember some global or general frequency stuff) | 14:40 |
| chem|st | sending sms worked btw | 14:41 |
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| simbrown | Stskeeps, sharpneli: There's OpenCL support for the Adreno in the latest release? | 14:55 |
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| pawky | Does anyone in here know about the alien dalvik and networking? as mentioned earlier it seems not to relay ssdp and multisync :-( | 15:04 |
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| pawky | Where can I find the info about what will work, and what not? | 15:04 |
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| pawky | Jonni: do you have any info on the above mentioned? :-) | 15:12 |
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| pawky | This is fantastic, alien dalvik, such fairly important part of the jolla phone, and nobody seems to neither anything about it nor know where one could find any information... :-( | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | pawky: it's done by a 3rd party and if we knew any deep info of it, we'd not be able to answer it due to various agreements.. | 15:22 |
| pawky | Stskeeps: Then how am I to debug it? | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | as in, you might be able to ask on together.* or sailfish-devel@ | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | but in an unofficial chat irc channel.. :) | 15:24 |
| pawky | Stskeeps: There must be some information regarding what alien dalvik can do and what it cannot. | 15:24 |
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| pawky | "Welcome, welcome, here you can buy a Jolla phone that can run android apps! We cannot tell you what it can do and what not, it is for you to buy it first and then you might figure out if the things you want actually will work... " | 15:42 |
| pawky | "This because whe have signed tons of Non Disclosure agreements making us smile and you pray for things to work." | 15:43 |
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| netzvieh | pawky: Well. They never said it can run _all_ Android apps. And if you want information you could ask Myriad, as it's their product... | 15:50 |
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| pawky | netzvieh: but I bought the phone from Jolla, hence they whould at least be able to provide such basic information. | 15:52 |
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| netzvieh | pawky: if they don't have insight into the internals of alien dalvik they _can't_ provide that info | 15:53 |
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| pawky | netzvieh: Are you telling me Jolla implemented a product they do not have a clue how it communicates and works??? of course people know what works network wise and what not... | 15:54 |
| pawky | netzvieh: its like putting a Lotus V8 engine into a Corvette ZR1 but not have a clue if it runs on gasoline or diesel, and where to plug in the battery | 15:55 |
| Pnuu | pawky: so all the computer companies know everything windows does..? | 15:55 |
| Pnuu | hmm, bad comparison, as alien dalvik is more comparable to driver than OS | 15:56 |
| pawky | Pnuu: no, but companies using parts from other companies at least know about how to interface with it, no matter if its an engine, or some software | 15:56 |
| pawky | Pnuu: I think its quite simple, alien dalvik runs on top of the sailfish OS and has to interface in between, such as TCP/IP network, bluetooth GPS what have you | 15:57 |
| netzvieh | pawky: yeah, there is a public interface from aliendalvik, so you go and test the things that most people use, and if that works okay. you don't test every obscure protocol some company has developed ... | 15:58 |
| Tofe | pawky: they know how to make it work on tge device, it's not what one would call deep knowledge | 15:58 |
| pawky | Pnuu: obscure??? is multicast obscure? and ssdp??? | 15:58 |
| pawky | netzvieh: ^ ^ | 15:59 |
| pawky | but knowing the network interfacing between jolla and alien dalvik must be pretty basic stuff.. | 15:59 |
| pawky | people at jolla do know what will work and what not.. | 16:00 |
| pawky | how am I to know the very reason SSDP and Multicast on the alien dalvik isn't working due to a bug, or du to it not being implemented??? | 16:00 |
| pawky | This people do know, no matter if they have deep insight in the alien dalvik internals.. | 16:01 |
| pawky | Hiding under a NDA is a very wrong thing to do... | 16:01 |
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| Tofe | pawky: I think you should ask that on a more official channel (mailing list, mail...) so that the people involved could answer you, eventually relaying the question. if it's an NDA, they will certainly say it. Here you'll only get maybes. | 16:05 |
| pawky | Tofe: True, but usually people in here could give hints that is fully enough to continue debugging without delay. Or they can pin point where to find all the info. It is scary how silent people seem to be about this alien dalvik stuff... | 16:07 |
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| Tofe | no wonder why people prefer native apps :) | 16:09 |
| pawky | Tofe: It is hard to use official channels, when I do not even know if the problem is on my side, or if its on theirs | 16:09 |
| pawky | Tofe: true... :-) | 16:09 |
| simbrown | Stskeeps: I'll take that as a no then :-) | 16:09 |
| pawky | but what will the chance be that Sony will develop apps for Sailfish? especially with them aving their Experia... | 16:10 |
| Tofe | pawky: the question about multicast and ssdp support would be precise enough to know if it's worth debugging | 16:11 |
| pawky | Tofe: But I know, there are some very knowledable people in here who knows the answer already... | 16:11 |
| Tofe | ah well, you know more than I do then | 16:12 |
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| Stskeeps | simbrown: just left office, there's the backend now at least, i'm not sure if we merged sharpneli's wrapper | 16:16 |
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| simbrown | Stskeeps: I'll bring my jolla to work tomorrow and find out. I'd be over the moon if it were there. Thanks | 16:27 |
| * Stskeeps goes take a look.. | 16:28 | |
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| Stskeeps | sharpneli: do i remember wrong that you contributed a wrapper? | 16:30 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: I have an OpenCL wrapper but it's not committed. I left it to languish due to the missing CPU compiler | 16:51 |
| sharpneli | Now I actually could finish it. | 16:51 |
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| matoking | Hey, where does Jolla save the backups to? | 17:08 |
| Pnuu | ~nemo/.vault | 17:09 |
| matoking | Hmm | 17:09 |
| matoking | I have a lot of backups | 17:09 |
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| matoking | I just expected them to be saved in a more concise way | 17:10 |
| Pnuu | it's a git repository | 17:10 |
| matoking | That explains it | 17:12 |
| matoking | Kind of an interesting way to create backups :P | 17:12 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/38420/how-would-a-sailfishos-wearable-look-to-you/ | 17:35 |
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| Yaniel | uhh fail | 17:41 |
| Yaniel | the banner on tjc covers the sign in link | 17:41 |
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| Skorpy | got so excited thinking about a sailfishos smartwatch, that I forgot there were still problems in the phone. :P | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | good ;) | 17:46 |
| Skorpy | there's so much you can do by pulling/pushing and swiping. don't know what to do with them all | 17:46 |
| Skorpy | sure multitasking would be awesome, even on a small display. the space could be used dynamically when more apps are open. | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | i think there's a lot of opportunity.. and worth noting that despite that it being a different form factor, it'd share a lot of same platform.. | 17:48 |
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| friese | hehe | 17:54 |
| friese | *wrong channel :) | 17:54 |
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| EYEA_ | Jolla )0!1@ | 18:06 |
| EYEA_ | Joy | 18:06 |
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| roboro | Stskeeps: sorry I had to leave that comment there for you | 18:29 |
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| memoryleak_ | good evening | 19:57 |
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| Waitee | ;__; | 20:36 |
| Waitee | my jolla just froze | 20:36 |
| Waitee | red led just blinked for 10-20 seconds | 20:36 |
| ajaijjaj | well, it happens .. | 20:39 |
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| Waitee | first time for me | 20:43 |
| Waitee | :D | 20:43 |
| ajaijjaj | luck you :) | 20:43 |
| ajaijjaj | I sometimes get green blinking light | 20:43 |
| Waitee | well none of my friends have complained about such problems | 20:44 |
| stephg | Waitee, anything you've done/how many apps/has it moved recently? | 20:45 |
| Waitee | it was idle on my desk for three hours or so | 20:46 |
| Waitee | i've got 55 apps installed | 20:46 |
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| kaikun97 | !seen htheb | 20:47 |
| Merbot` | kaikun97: htheb was last seen in #jollamobile 1 day, 6 hours, 38 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <HtheB> (hang on boss is calling, I'll read the message when I'm back) | 20:47 |
| kaikun97 | If any of you see htheb tell him I said to go on his channel on gbatemp | 20:47 |
| kaikun97 | thanks | 20:47 |
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| pawky | how do you get to be root in alien dalvik? | 21:31 |
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| pawky | hmm... I wonder whether the problem with multicast can be found in Androids developer emulator documentation... "Currently, the emulator does not support IGMP or multicast." Hence if the Alien Dalvik is based upon this emulator this is the reason why it doesn't work? | 22:17 |
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| stephg | pawky, it's bedtime but dalvik is at some level a fork of 4.1.2 | 22:28 |
| stephg | not the emulator | 22:28 |
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| stephg | if 4.1 support the networking features you want then alien should also, unless myriad removed them | 22:29 |
| stephg | anyway is bed time | 22:29 |
| stephg | niiiight | 22:30 |
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