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| netzvieh | morning :) | 07:59 |
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| memoryleak_ | good morning everyone | 08:04 |
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| Venemo_j | morning | 08:09 |
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| coderus | late morning | 08:12 |
| Pnuu | good lunchtime | 08:13 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/38508/release-notes-software-version-10516-paarlampi/ | 08:16 |
| Bysmyyr | :) | 08:16 |
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| Bysmyyr | what means: "Swipe to close gesture available as a setting and disabled by default for new users [Settings->System->Shortcuts]" | 08:17 |
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| netzvieh | woop woop update available \o/ | 08:18 |
| nahkiss | oh yeah, and I'm not a "the first ones" even | 08:19 |
| chem|st | seeing all that exchange updates with every update makes me wonder if jolla gets paid for having MfE | 08:21 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: nah, that wouldn't make sense | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | anybody receiving update notifications? | 08:24 |
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| teksu__ | yes | 08:24 |
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| netzvieh | chem|st: it's just a business feature, so it makes sense to provide that :) | 08:25 |
| teksu__ | 1.0.5.16 paarlampi | 08:25 |
| nahkiss | Stskeeps: did manual check, downloading | 08:27 |
| chem|st | netzvieh: no sane company uses exchange | 08:27 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: sadly people aren't working for sane companies | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:27 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: true | 08:27 |
| netzvieh | chem|st: a lot of companies aren't sane ;) | 08:27 |
| nahkiss | Stskeeps: any idea if the double sms bug was fixed? | 08:28 |
| chem|st | but I just had red led when pulling update in notifications with this in journal | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | nahkiss: no clue sorry, i've been deep in other stuff | 08:28 |
| chem|st | Apr 11 10:18:21 extern-wism-ifos-kl-de-ipv4-0008 vcardconverter[25441]: [W] QtVersit::QVCard30Writer::encodeVersitProperty:107 - Variant value is a QStringList but the property's value type is neither CompoundType or ListType | 08:28 |
| netzvieh | and what else do we have to sync contacts properly? | 08:28 |
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| chem|st | Apr 11 10:18:23 extern-wism-ifos-kl-de-ipv4-0008 [25441]: [W] QtVersit::QVCard30Writer::encodeVersitProperty:107 - Variant value is a QStringList but the property's value type is neither CompoundType or ListType | 08:28 |
| nahkiss | Stskeeps: do you need more data about it? I think I can reproduce it, because it seems to happen a lot when my missus sends me messages | 08:28 |
| chem|st | netzvieh: we need *DAV | 08:29 |
| chem|st | oh and I can reproduce it... | 08:29 |
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| chem|st | cleared notifications -> update -> hanging | 08:30 |
| netzvieh | chem|st: yep. and at least caldav sync has good activity on github :) | 08:30 |
| Acce | yay, update! | 08:31 |
| tobiski | I also did manual check and downloading, using data connection so no auto-detect of update | 08:31 |
| chem|st | this time it pulls dbus[543]: [system] Rejected send message, 5 matched rules; type="method_return", sender=":1.11" (uid=0 pid=822 comm="/usr/sbin/ofonod -n --noplugin=dun_gw,hfp,hfp_ag ") interface="(un | 08:32 |
| tobiski | Did anyone answer this question: 11:17 < Bysmyyr> what means: "Swipe to close gesture available as a setting and disabled by default for new users [Settings->System->Shortcuts]" | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | exactly what it means | 08:32 |
| tobiski | so by default you can't swiped down to close an app? | 08:33 |
| Bysmyyr | yes, in other channel, that was surprice so I did not understood it because I do not see any use for that option | 08:33 |
| chem|st | no more swipe to close per default? | 08:33 |
| tobiski | you have to long tap the app screen and close it by clicking X if you don't have this option enabled? | 08:33 |
| tobiski | would think that it would be enabled by default | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: apparently for new users only | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | (blame android and ios) | 08:34 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: yeah new devices... | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: that's what i understand | 08:34 |
| chem|st | but do you get a button to close something? or is it all on home-screen? | 08:35 |
| ggabriel | no clue, haven't updated yet so i can't try it :) | 08:35 |
| ggabriel | sadly, i have to work today ;) | 08:35 |
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| netzvieh | you still can swipe down from top :) | 08:35 |
| netzvieh | and update reinstalls all android apps | 08:36 |
| chem|st | reinstalls? | 08:36 |
| ggabriel | android... android... what's that again? | 08:36 |
| netzvieh | and swiping down with the disabled setting is just the same as swiping from the sides, so you don't close apps anymore, just minimize them | 08:37 |
| ggabriel | netzvieh: thanks for clarifying | 08:37 |
| netzvieh | aaaaand the tutorial is back :D | 08:37 |
| chem|st | ty | 08:37 |
| ggabriel | new update cool and stable so far then? | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | update! yes! | 08:38 |
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| roboro | update failed for me... I downloaded... hit install... and my phone rebooted... | 08:39 |
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| roboro | it went into airplane mode | 08:39 |
| netzvieh | Stskeeps: why is the tutorial still not removable from GUI? :( | 08:39 |
| roboro | downloading again | 08:39 |
| TMavica | i got a upgrade, good! | 08:40 |
| pp | :-) | 08:40 |
| TMavica | silence upgrade | 08:41 |
| pp | android apps seem to fail for a while, now it's reinstalling them all | 08:41 |
| TMavica | lol | 08:41 |
| pp | (I think I saw a note about similar in previous releases, probably the same now) | 08:41 |
| roboro | damn that download is going slowly | 08:41 |
| roboro | everybody stop downloading the update... give me a bit more bandwidth here! | 08:43 |
| roboro | :P | 08:43 |
| pp | I'm not, it's already installed here! | 08:43 |
| nahkiss | already updated! :P | 08:43 |
| roboro | pp: was it worth it? | 08:43 |
| nahkiss | I wonder how long this android runtime update takes | 08:43 |
| pp | dunno, waiting for all the android apps to reinstall | 08:44 |
| roboro | lol | 08:44 |
| Aard | depends on the number of apps, but might take quite a while | 08:44 |
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| roboro | what if you downloaded an apk from somewhere | 08:44 |
| nahkiss | oh, mine is done | 08:44 |
| pp | calendar seems to still work | 08:44 |
| Aard | on the plus side, you'll now have proper android package management | 08:44 |
| roboro | how does it handle the reinstall? | 08:44 |
| nahkiss | favorited ambients seem to have reset | 08:45 |
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| TMavica | forget disable openrepo.. | 08:46 |
| nahkiss | :( | 08:46 |
| Mnsu_ | aren't they now disabled automatically by the update? | 08:47 |
| Skorpy | oh damn. I forgot that too. though I know I didn't have NielDK's enabled. | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | Mnsu_: only if you are runnign 1.0.4.20 | 08:47 |
| TMavica | is it ok? i downloading.. | 08:47 |
| Skorpy | oh good | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | 1.0.4.20 disables openrepos when updating | 08:47 |
| Skorpy | great | 08:47 |
| roboro | whew... I forgot as well | 08:47 |
| TMavica | can u upgrade? | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | now you'll get to be the test group :) to see if it disables them correctly | 08:47 |
| roboro | does it re-enable repos after install or do you have to do that manually afterwards | 08:48 |
| Skorpy | My update is already nearly completed :P | 08:48 |
| roboro | 60% or so for me | 08:48 |
| Pnuu | installing | 08:48 |
| roboro | I love friday releases | 08:49 |
| william_gen | update5?good news | 08:50 |
| sharpneli | Updated <3 | 08:50 |
| Skorpy | phone booting up!! :> | 08:50 |
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| pp | hmn, now to figure out why I would send/receive an mms | 08:52 |
| Pnuu | I've missed more than 10 mms so far | 08:53 |
| pp | pictures of pint's when you're not having one, I'd guess | 08:53 |
| Pnuu | yeah, something like that.. | 08:54 |
| Skorpy | I have never used MMS. I once received an image from my mom and told her immediately to stop sending them by MMS. I just can't see the point in it when you can send images full size through email. | 08:54 |
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| Kabouik | Hum, interesting: if you have Warehouse (OpenRepos) open while downloading the Jolla update, you can see the details of all files being downloaded! Just seen a lot of gstreamer stuff. :o | 08:54 |
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| roboro | mmmm | 08:55 |
| * roboro wonders if gstreamer has been updated | 08:55 | |
| roboro | that would be wonderful | 08:55 |
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| pp | gstreamer-0.10.36.1.1.1 -> gstreamer-0.10.36-1.1.2 | 08:56 |
| Kabouik | I guess we could see the details by upgrading from Fingerterm too, but I don't know how to do it, and don't want to risk anything. Just saw the Warehouse trick by chance | 08:56 |
| Skorpy | hooooooly hell I have a lot of android apps. more than half of all apps :P | 08:57 |
| roboro | mmmm not a big jump... I think I have to fix some things in my TVHeadfish app... all the video has stopped working :( | 08:57 |
| Kabouik | Too bad the "Mark as unread" pulley menu inside a message was not added in this Email-app upgrade :p | 08:58 |
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| Nicd- | "[BUG] All day Google event is shown in 2 days in calendar" YEEEEESSSSSS | 08:58 |
| roboro | booo... I'm going to have to patch call log again | 08:58 |
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| Kabouik | Nicd-, when had we got the possibility to sync with Google Calendar? Have I missed something? :o | 08:59 |
| Nicd- | Kabouik: ages ago | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | 1.0.3.8 I think? | 09:00 |
| Kabouik | :O | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | or 1.0.2.5 | 09:00 |
| Kabouik | Two way? | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | two-way gcal with 1.0.4.20 | 09:00 |
| Kabouik | But Nicd-! Why didn't you tell me? :P | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | I tried! | 09:00 |
| Kabouik | Liar! | 09:00 |
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| Nicd- | I... I'm sorry :( | 09:01 |
| Kabouik | I'll let you live. | 09:02 |
| Kabouik | Do we have to set full Gmail account sync to have it (including contacts ? :<)? | 09:03 |
| Kabouik | Or is it a separate option now (Jolla is rebooting right now) | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | I don't know, maybe just calendar will suffice | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | nahkiss: was one of the pictures of ambiences from sd card? | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | there's the option page when you create an account where you can select what to sync | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: can you elaborate what "EXIF data is now stored in photos taken with camera." means? camera make and model? | 09:04 |
| Kabouik | Yeah but in the past there were no dedicated options for the calendar, just "Sync with Gmail" or not | 09:04 |
| Kabouik | And it included contacts :< | 09:04 |
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| nahkiss | Stskeeps: I don't think so, I have nothing but the default ones | 09:04 |
| chem|st | my EAP connection does not work any more, suggestions? | 09:04 |
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| zchydem_ | pp: Not there yet, but WIP: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,81472 | 09:05 |
| nahkiss | also, my play store doesn't seem to have internet connection when trying to update apps :( | 09:05 |
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| nahkiss | ah, had to disable wlan | 09:08 |
| Acce | the install animation in the app grid is nice.. maybe we'll get animated appicons in the future? | 09:08 |
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| TMavica | reinstalling android apps. | 09:11 |
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| Kabouik | Nicd-, I confirm it's still sync Contacts + Calendar + Everything, or nothing :( | 09:14 |
| Kabouik | I really don't want to sync contacts with Gmail | 09:14 |
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| Pnuu | oh, there's now typing sounds in messaging | 09:17 |
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| Pnuu | how to turn those off? | 09:17 |
| sledges | Pnuu: Keyboard sounds [Settings->System->Sounds and feedback->Touch screen tones] | 09:18 |
| Pnuu | thanks | 09:19 |
| william_gen | I hate touch screen tones:) | 09:19 |
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| Skorpy | hmm.. having problem logging into google play. it just says I need to sign in. no idea how to do it. anyone with the same problem? | 09:21 |
| tbr | Skorpy: did it work before? | 09:23 |
| chem|st | oh fscking hell it is still doing the "I am flat on a table so I am landscape" to me... | 09:24 |
| Pnuu | chem|st: does it depend how you set it on the table? | 09:24 |
| Skorpy | tbr: worked nicely before the update. thooooooough I changed my password yesterday... might be because of that :P | 09:24 |
| Skorpy | chem|st: just noticed that too | 09:25 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: no, it does not | 09:25 |
| tbr | I had yesterday before the update some weird behaviour | 09:25 |
| chem|st | so how do I fix my peap now? | 09:25 |
| tbr | but it went away after restarting some of the android apps and poking around in the google settings app | 09:25 |
| Aard | Skorpy: it's entirely possible that google play needs new workarounds with update5, google play compatibility is not part of our release tests | 09:26 |
| Pnuu | chem|st: works for me: put the short end to table first, then lay it flat, open app -> portrait | 09:26 |
| Skorpy | Aard: ok | 09:27 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: bottom right... | 09:27 |
| Kabouik | Skorpy, my Play have been crashing since at least three months, never managed to fix the issue because I was afraid it would mean uninstalling all (working) Android apps :[ | 09:27 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: who does put his phone with the bottom first on a table?! | 09:27 |
| Kabouik | I'm curious whether I can reset Play without uninstalling apps, by the way | 09:27 |
| tbr | Aard: that goes unsaid :) | 09:28 |
| Pnuu | chem|st: just as long the latest orientation is portrait, it stays that way | 09:28 |
| Pnuu | for me, atleast | 09:28 |
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| chem|st | Pnuu: it is just unreliable as some apps are always P but you end up L if you did not put it on the table the right way | 09:29 |
| chem|st | I would just go "for fsck sake let us turn gesture rotation off!" | 09:30 |
| Skorpy | Kabouik: I don't think removing and reinstalling Play would remove all android apps installed from it. I'm not sure of course, but I just don't see why it would do that. | 09:30 |
| Kabouik | Yeah but I need to reset Play settings too, I guess it means deleting a folder in the Dalvik system | 09:31 |
| Kabouik | If not uninstalling Dalvik | 09:31 |
| Skorpy | hmmm | 09:31 |
| * tbr updates his device to see how his play store setup will fare | 09:31 | |
| ottulo | darnit Jolla | 09:31 |
| ottulo | I was one day away from new uptime record for myself | 09:31 |
| ottulo | well, for my Jolla | 09:32 |
| Skorpy | well, it seems I too have to go and dive into the folders and do something to log me out from google or something. | 09:32 |
| Aard | ottulo: nobody forces you to update :p | 09:32 |
| tbr | D: | 09:32 |
| tbr | :D | 09:32 |
| ottulo | Aard: no, but I want to | 09:32 |
| ottulo | so I can get a head start at new uptime record :P | 09:33 |
| ottulo | expecting everyone else to update too | 09:33 |
| sledges | chem|st: holding finger on screen locks orientation | 09:34 |
| chem|st | sledges: I do not want to lock the orientation I want to lock the gestures! | 09:35 |
| w00t | ottulo: we'll just ruin that too, you know | 09:35 |
| chem|st | gestures have to be locked in my world | 09:35 |
| Nicd- | ottulo: are you tracking it with something? | 09:36 |
| * tbr remembers heated discussions about harmattan gestures and how they should behave... those were the days | 09:36 | |
| ottulo | Nicd-: SailTime | 09:36 |
| Nicd- | \o/ | 09:36 |
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| sledges | chem|st: means your world needs patching :) (pandora lipstick) | 09:36 |
| Nicd- | ottulo: seeing people use my app makes me happy ^_^ | 09:36 |
| ottulo | :P | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | anybody tried the android performance yet? | 09:37 |
| chem|st | sledges: sorry but I do not have muscle-memory that works with orientation of the phone, I have it with the shape of the phone, just like every one else | 09:37 |
| Kabouik | Not true :o | 09:37 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: it is not muscle memory then | 09:38 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: it works fine for me. hard to compare it with the previous release because i don't use android apps too much. | 09:38 |
| Kabouik | A lot of people have it with application instead of phone, both can exist | 09:38 |
| Kabouik | Problem is that, sure, all applications don't rotate | 09:39 |
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| Kabouik | So let's say some people have it with Earth gravity reference :P | 09:39 |
| Aard | chem|st: early last year I used to accidentally clase apps in landscape all the time. then over time I got used to the gestures not rotating, and had to re-learn once we finally added rotating gestures | 09:39 |
| Aard | but at the beginning, without the 'learned' behaviour of non-rotating gestures it would've been natural to me | 09:39 |
| Kabouik | Same here | 09:39 |
| chem|st | Aard: yes, learning is a good word... | 09:40 |
| chem|st | muscle memory you build, rotating gestures you need to actively adapt to, also the other way round | 09:41 |
| chem|st | any idea for me eduroam? | 09:41 |
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| chem|st | so what does all that exchange stuff be good for when I cannot access a companies network? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: fix basics first (connectivity issues), then add features | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't make sense to connect to additional types when basics aren't correct | 09:45 |
| william_gen | yes | 09:46 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: quote "receive photos and contacts (vcard)via MMS" | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's not the same area at all, connectivity != MMS | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:46 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: "fix basics, then add features" is a general approach... and modem is connectivity! | 09:47 |
| chem|st | sry but I am fed right now | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | okay, but don't take it out on me, please | 09:48 |
| w00t | then it may be time to take a walk away from the keyboard for a few minutes and calm down | 09:48 |
| * chem|st slaps Stskeeps with a huge slippery wet trout | 09:48 | |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: can add a option to make apps lancher scroll horizonly? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: you can suggest such at together.jolla.com | 09:49 |
| * chem|st slaps william_gen with a huge slippery wet trout (he just used on Stskeeps) | 09:49 | |
| william_gen | i suggested,but no answer | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:50 |
| chem|st | william_gen: how about, it breaks with the UI design... | 09:50 |
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| TMavica | android sound fixed means the whatsapp sound is ok? | 09:52 |
| Scelt | TMavica: y u no use mitäkuuluu? | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | y u no use xmpp | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | y u no use pigeons | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | y u no use http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.html | 09:53 |
| Kabouik | Can anyone link or detail the procedure to uninstall/reset Play store on the Jolla? I've a howto here, but for installing, and I guess I would need to reset everything before reinstalling. Possibly while keeping the apps installed | 09:53 |
| tbr | XMPP FTW! | 09:53 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: now,apps lanucher scroll vertically to browse apps,when we wanna go to home screen when we is at lanucher page 5 for example,we must scroll up 5 pages | 09:55 |
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| william_gen | if scroll horizonly,only one scroll-up,we arrive home screen | 09:56 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: what are you talking about? jolla will reinstall apps automatically after update | 10:02 |
| william_gen | and as a side-effect ,jolla(sailfishos) can add more components below lanucher page for other aim | 10:02 |
| coderus | you dont need to do it manually | 10:02 |
| stephg | Kabouik, yeah mine did it all fine on its own | 10:02 |
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| Kiranos | very nice template for the changelog: https://together.jolla.com/question/38508/release-notes-software-version-10516-paarlampi/ | 10:05 |
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| Aard | for people having issues with MMS: https://together.jolla.com/question/38555/mms-issues-hints-for-debugging-and-helping-us-to-improve/ | 10:09 |
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| pp | errr, red light shutdown with 1.0.5.16, /proc/cmdline and whatnot is useful? | 10:19 |
| pp | bootup_ | 10:20 |
| pp | reason=0xFBFEED6D | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | pp: red light shutdown is a controlled shutdown though | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | look at /var/log/systemboot.log | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | clearly it was the facebook feed | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | ^ | 10:20 |
| TMavica | Scelt, just ask, i use mitakuuluu | 10:20 |
| pp | 20140411_130611 Received: shutdown request from dsme | 10:20 |
| pp | 20140411_130611 Received: dsme internal state SHUTDOWN | 10:20 |
| pp | 20140411_130616 Shutdown: SW shutdown request | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | pp: okay, anything above that? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | spiiroin: ^ | 10:21 |
| pp | 20140411_113747 Shutdown: SW reboot request | 10:21 |
| pp | 20140411_113815 Startup: pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_SW_reboot | 10:21 |
| pp | 20140411_113815 Received: dsme internal state USER | 10:21 |
| pp | 20140411_130611 Received: shutdown request from dsme | 10:21 |
| pp | (that was probably the update) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | hmm how did you update | 10:21 |
| Scelt | TMavica: kukkuluuruu | 10:22 |
| pp | from the gui | 10:22 |
| pp | dmesg has | 10:23 |
| pp | [ 0.215748] ------------[ cut here ]------------ | 10:23 |
| pp | [ 0.215809] WARNING: at arch/arm/mach-msm/subsystem_restart.c:799 subsys_rest | 10:23 |
| pp | art_init+0xec/0x14c() | 10:24 |
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| tbr | niiiice, alien dalvik seems to have completely b0rked itself | 10:31 |
| chem|st | how do I properly import a certificate on jolla | 10:31 |
| tbr | chem|st: system or browser? | 10:31 |
| chem|st | sys | 10:33 |
| tbr | system level: put it into /etc/ssl/certs/ and create the proper hash-symlink in that directory | 10:33 |
| tbr | it's explained on TJC too | 10:33 |
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| tbr | ok, my other jolla still has working dalvik | 10:41 |
| tbr | time for a reflash/reset soon | 10:41 |
| chem|st | tbr: seems to still not find the proper cert | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: it may work after a bit | 10:43 |
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| tbr | chem|st: /what/ doesn't find it? | 10:47 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I think this is actually not related to update 5, I think The android layer on my older Jolla was hosed, but I didn't care as I didn't want to use it on that device | 10:48 |
| tbr | probably related to installing google play and services, so "user caused" | 10:48 |
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| chem|st | ehrm I seem to not being able to write the hash | 10:50 |
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| chem|st | in tjc they are changing the file descriptor to .pem... I have no clue about importing/setup of certs by hand... | 10:52 |
| spiiroin | pp: Stskeeps: IIRC shutdown requests made via dbus -> dsme internal shutdown request | 10:52 |
| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/ | 10:52 |
| spiiroin | journal would have more info, but I guess that is already gone? | 10:52 |
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| spiiroin | more info = for example did it come over dbus and who sent it | 10:53 |
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| Nicd- | yaaaay, now camera make and model is saved in photo EXIF :) | 10:56 |
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| pp | yea, wonder why though... | 10:59 |
| pp | encoded in bootup_reason if I understood correctly? | 10:59 |
| Kabouik | Ok Coderus, didn't know it would keep the apps | 11:00 |
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| Kabouik | So I guess I can safely uninstall Play, Google Settings, Save /opt/alien/system/app somewhere to keep the .apk files just in case, then remove Alien Dalvik and delete /opt/alien/system, and start over | 11:00 |
| Kabouik | Weirdly, Play won't uninstall from the App launcher, nothing happens when I tap the cross | 11:01 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: why the hell you want to do it? | 11:01 |
| Kabouik | Because Play crashes 100% of times I launch it, since months | 11:02 |
| coderus | just reinstall play store | 11:02 |
| Kabouik | Never got to fix it, no time, and I was afraid it would wipe out all android apps | 11:02 |
| coderus | dont touch jolla dalvik | 11:02 |
| Kabouik | But won't it keep all Play settings if I just reinstall it over an existing installation? Something must be wrong in its settings if it crashes | 11:03 |
| coderus | http://www.jollatides.com/2013/11/29/jolla-how-to-access-google-play/ | 11:03 |
| coderus | do it | 11:04 |
| coderus | if store keep crashing ask for other method | 11:04 |
| Kabouik | Yes I had a tab opened here :p Just wondered if I would need clearing it all before | 11:04 |
| coderus | you dont need to do additional actions until common procedure works | 11:05 |
| coderus | if you go into a trouble then ask for extra help | 11:05 |
| Kabouik | Alright, thanks | 11:05 |
| coderus | but until you didnt tried it just do usual actions | 11:05 |
| Kabouik | I think I tried, but it was when first crashes occurred, I don't remember quite well. Let's try now just to be sure ;) | 11:06 |
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| gabriel9|work | is it ok to update jolla while charging via PC | 11:08 |
| gabriel9|work | ? | 11:08 |
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| Kabouik | Problem persists coderus | 11:12 |
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| Turski | is it possible to create an ambiance from an image which is not in gallery? | 11:16 |
| Bysmyyr | Stskeeps: in my phone reinstalling android app does not work(nothing happens) | 11:16 |
| Bysmyyr | now whole phone is lagging | 11:18 |
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| Turski | Bysmyyr: logs and so on... | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: hmm wrong person to ask; but, define reinstalling | 11:19 |
| Bysmyyr | oo, not it is ready, took very long time without any feedback | 11:21 |
| Bysmyyr | now* | 11:21 |
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| Tofe | what is the size of the update download, roughly ? | 11:30 |
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| gabriel9|work | i noticed some flickering when open new apps | 11:33 |
| gabriel9|work | after update | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | video it? | 11:33 |
| gabriel9|work | is it just me | 11:33 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: re android performance http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1420860&postcount=13 | 11:39 |
| Turski | gabriel9|work: there has been some flickering with swipes also with ohijärvi | 11:41 |
| Turski | handy, now i have performance as default gpu governor | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | ? | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | is it default now? | 11:42 |
| Turski | no | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | i set it also | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | duno is it safe :D | 11:42 |
| Turski | i just set systemd-tmpfiles to set it at boot | 11:42 |
| Turski | don't know if it could have been done with modprobe.d or something | 11:43 |
| gabriel9|work | i set it every time on reboot | 11:43 |
| Tofe | gabriel9|work: it should only impact performance and battery consumption, I think | 11:44 |
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| Turski | gabriel9|work: well, tmpfiles is the way to automate it | 11:44 |
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| gabriel9|work | or .bashrc | 11:45 |
| gabriel9|work | maybe | 11:45 |
| gabriel9|work | but need to be root | 11:45 |
| gabriel9|work | :/ | 11:45 |
| Turski | .bashrc isn't good for that | 11:46 |
| Turski | .bashrc is kinda ugly hack for that task | 11:47 |
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| chem|st | tbr: I am unable to connect to my uni eduroam, they use a cert I am unable to symlink as described in tjc (openssl x509 stuff), with the known workaround, connecting wlan I was able to connect until just now (update), now wpa complains about the certificate (certificate unknown) | 12:01 |
| tbr | no idea, but I'd recommend to verify the certificate is installed using something easier like "openssl s_client" | 12:03 |
| Kabouik | I tried running Play from the terminal to see if I would have any useful error, but nothing (with "apkd-launcher /data/app/Phonesky.apk com.android.vending/com.android.vending.AssetBrowserActivity", taken from the .desktop file) | 12:03 |
| Kabouik | > CoderCandy | 12:03 |
| Kabouik | Oups > coderus | 12:03 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: they messed with the certs because of heartbleed | 12:09 |
| phaeron | tbr: I think we use multi_c_rehash | 12:09 |
| the_mgt | chem|st: I can still connect 1ith Ohijärvi | 12:10 |
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| the_mgt | ah, there is a new update | 12:12 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: I will update later and can tell you tomorrow if it still works for me | 12:15 |
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| chem|st | I cannot create the symlink like described on tjc | 12:15 |
| chem|st | tbr: what should I see if it does not work with s_client? | 12:16 |
| chem|st | I even wrote it to nssdb | 12:16 |
| tbr | without the symlink it won't work | 12:17 |
| chem|st | so how do I get is symlinked? | 12:17 |
| chem|st | it says unable to load certificate | 12:18 |
| chem|st | openssl x509 -hash -noout -in cert.crt | 12:18 |
| tbr | chem|st: try multi_c_rehash as pointed out by phaeron | 12:19 |
| chem|st | please be more descriptive... | 12:19 |
| tbr | execute that command on your jolla. you might need to be root. | 12:19 |
| chem|st | and then? | 12:20 |
| phaeron | chem|st: your certificate is in pem format ? | 12:20 |
| chem|st | crt | 12:20 |
| tbr | that's the file extension | 12:21 |
| tbr | verify it using openssl | 12:21 |
| phaeron | ok try to put it in /etc/ssl/certs/ | 12:21 |
| phaeron | for example cp foo.crt /etc/ssl/certs/blabla.pem | 12:21 |
| phaeron | then | 12:21 |
| phaeron | multi_c_rehash /etc/ssl/certs/ | 12:21 |
| phaeron | hopefully it's format is correct | 12:22 |
| chem|st | should there be a symlink now? | 12:23 |
| phaeron | there should | 12:23 |
| phaeron | in /etc/ssl/certs/ | 12:23 |
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| chem|st | nope | 12:24 |
| chem|st | so it is a format issue | 12:25 |
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| phaeron | it is usually a <hash>.0 -> foo.crt | 12:25 |
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| chem|st | phaeron: I know what it should look like but the openssl is unable to read my cert | 12:27 |
| phaeron | maybe you need to convert it somehow | 12:28 |
| phaeron | anywayt this is how to add a certificate to the system trust database | 12:28 |
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| pp | do check the format | 12:29 |
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| chem|st | so it seems to have imported it to ca-bundle.crt and symlinked | 12:35 |
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| chem|st | and it still says cert unknown in wpa_sup | 12:36 |
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| pp | hmn, it's a ca cert or just a service cert? | 12:36 |
| chem|st | Root CA 2 | 12:37 |
| chem|st | http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/uploads/media/Deutsche_Telekom_Root_CA_2_03.crt | 12:37 |
| pp | wonder if it's also nss vs openssl vs. gnutls | 12:38 |
| chem|st | there is one error for "server used client certificate" and one SSL3 alert certificate unknown | 12:39 |
| coderus | Kabouik: its just calling dbus and not giving you any output. You need to chack journalctl. | 12:44 |
| phaeron | pp: wpa_supplicant uses openssl | 12:44 |
| pp | yea, those traditionally used slightly different places to store stuff | 12:44 |
| chem|st | phaeron: with multi_c.. it should be in the bundle right? | 12:45 |
| coderus | Kabouik: remove /data/data/com.android.vending and reinstall Phonesky.apk | 12:45 |
| phaeron | chem|st: no it will be symlinked | 12:45 |
| chem|st | well the link points to ca-bundle | 12:45 |
| Kabouik | Trying that coderus, thanks | 12:46 |
| pp | might have hints: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SharedSystemCertificates | 12:46 |
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| phaeron | chem|st: a lot of them will because there are a lot inside the bundle | 12:46 |
| phaeron | chem|st: but the single file ones are symlinked separately | 12:47 |
| chem|st | phaeron: something generated that symlink | 12:47 |
| chem|st | I removed it and did a direct link again but same errors | 12:47 |
| phaeron | not sure what you mean. multi_c_rehash generates those symlinks | 12:48 |
| phaeron | anyway bbl | 12:48 |
| chem|st | then it did it wrong | 12:48 |
| phaeron | ok | 12:48 |
| chem|st | it symlinked the hash to ca-bundle.crt and not to the pem I transfered | 12:49 |
| Kabouik | Seems to work coderus, thanks a lot! | 12:50 |
| Kabouik | Ok my bad. Doesn't work. :< | 12:50 |
| Kabouik | It just lasted a few seconds before crashing this time, asked me to confirm install in a GUI and so on, then crashed, and now it instantly crashes just like before | 12:51 |
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| Yaniel | ooh an update | 12:54 |
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| stephg | hehe | 12:56 |
| stephg | that's what everyone says :) | 12:56 |
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| Yaniel | this one seems to take longer than usual though | 12:59 |
| flanag | Stskeeps, Aard: Is it possible to specify these changes? "Some of the device reboot issues have been addressed though it does not eliminate the problem completely." Would be nice to know if the Jolla is actually more stable in some situations after this update. I got a reboot today yet again (I haven't updated yet). | 13:04 |
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| Yaniel | but I don't understand why it does not even ask for the PIN by default anymore | 13:05 |
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| Yaniel | and just keeps the SIM disabled | 13:05 |
| chem|st | I downloaded the pem now directly, same game - multi c symlinks to ca-bundle, cert unknown from wpa, symlinking to original pem, cert unknown... | 13:05 |
| simbrown | sharpneli: linking against /system/lib/libOpenCL.so is proving to be not that easy | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: it's so deep in with some things that it's a bit difficult to do it without conflicting with confidentiality agreements, sorry - we are doing our best to fix issues | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | simbrown: that's what libhybris is for | 13:05 |
| sharpneli | simbrown: Why's that? | 13:06 |
| phaeron | chem|st: the symlinks to the bundle are expected | 13:06 |
| phaeron | chem|st: if it is not symlinking your cert then it doesn't recognize it | 13:06 |
| sharpneli | simbrown: You cannot do it directly. You must use https://github.com/libhybris/ | 13:06 |
| simbrown | sharpneli: missing dependancies | 13:06 |
| simbrown | Ah I obviously have some reading to do. | 13:06 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: Ah ok, I think I'll see the situation myself after I've been using the new update for some time :) | 13:06 |
| chem|st | phaeron: ok, thought something like that so I went to download the pem from the dfn servers... same behaviour | 13:07 |
| sharpneli | simbrown: The /system/lib/libOpenCL.so is bionic (Android libc). So a wrapper is needed to link it against glibc programs | 13:07 |
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| sharpneli | simbrown: I have my own half made wrapper which is not committed to hybris yet because of missing CPU driver. It'll take me a week or so to find the time to finish it and commit it to upstream | 13:08 |
| simbrown | sharpneli: right, that makes sense. Do you need any testers for your OCL wrapper? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | simbrown: what do you hope to make, ooi? | 13:08 |
| sharpneli | I can send you it when I have the first with all the funcs. | 13:08 |
| sharpneli | It's quite trivial | 13:08 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Btw. Do you want the wrapper in the old GLESv2 style wrapper or the new mad 0 overhead style?-) | 13:08 |
| simbrown | Stskeeps: I have some OCL apps that I'm developing for android. | 13:09 |
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| chem|st | thought I might messed up the convert... | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: i'm okay overhead if you think it'll help ocl performance | 13:09 |
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| simbrown | Stskeeps: They're pretty much 100% native code and I'd love a Linux platform to test them on. | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:10 |
| sharpneli | simbrown: Just a word of warning. The drivers in Jolla are from summer 2012 so they are absolutely ancient. | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd like to do better OpenCL support but i need a working software/CPU only one for X86 | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | for the SDK | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | and for ARM | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | so we can provide it as a supported api | 13:11 |
| sharpneli | There is the possibility to use this http://pocl.sourceforge.net/ but it requires work to integrate it | 13:11 |
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| sharpneli | If I get the time I'll probably do it eventually :p | 13:11 |
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| simbrown | sharpneli: I wasn't expecting upto date drivers. It was mostly for fun / interest as it's the wrong GPU for $WORK | 13:14 |
| chem|st | phaeron: hmm what does it mean that it symlinks but to the ca-bundle? or did you mean that by it does not recognize?! | 13:14 |
| sharpneli | Also it's embedded profile. So low precision etc. | 13:14 |
| phaeron | chem|st: all certificates found in /etc/ssl/certs are symlinked to their hash | 13:16 |
| chem|st | phaeron: exec multi_c_hash gives me the wrong symlink | 13:19 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: remove /data/data/com.google.android.gsf and last folder also, copy system folder again, rebool and reinstall all three apks and try again | 13:24 |
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| Kabouik | It still crashes, all steps runed smoothly though | 13:33 |
| Kabouik | ran* | 13:33 |
| Kabouik | For some reason it didn't erase settings though, as Google Settings (which always worked) still know what is my Google account | 13:34 |
| Aard | chem|st: if it symlinks to the ca-bundle the ca-certificate you're trying to install is probably already in the ca-bundle | 13:35 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: I asked about the overhead mostly because the 0 overhead glesv2 wrapper has not been accepted. So I'd want to know if there are any reasons to use the 'old' style wrapping? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be.. i have as a task to really deal with the libhybris state | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | so it's a good time to work on 0 overhead too | 13:38 |
| sharpneli | OpenCL doesn't have any funcs that take floating point parameters so there is no need to do even the fp abi switching on any funcs | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | even better | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:40 |
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| chem|st | Aard: one more reason why it should not fail to verify right?! | 13:44 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: settings should be in /data/data/com.google.android.gsf.login afaik | 14:02 |
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| Kabouik | I then removed all three folders coderus, just rebooted. But is that really normal that Google Play and Google Settings icons are still in the app launcher, and can't be removed by a long-press? Seems I can't uninstall them | 14:10 |
| coderus | Kabouik: is should be uninstallable | 14:10 |
| Kabouik | I guess that is related to my problem then, I've tried everything | 14:11 |
| Kabouik | apkd-uninstall doesn't work either | 14:11 |
| clau2 | ha! I was taken by surprise by this update :) | 14:11 |
| coderus | apkd-ununstall /data/app/com.android.vending-1.apk | 14:12 |
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| Kabouik | This is what I tried earlier, icons don't move | 14:13 |
| Kabouik | And if I tap them, applications still show up (although Play will crash) | 14:13 |
| pp | oooh, MMS works! I could send a picture of a cat with a comment "Miu!" succesfully. | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | pp: :) | 14:17 |
| kor | uhh, anyone know how to update my phone? my friends have gotten the update already, but I don't seem to be getting it | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | kor: settings->about->pulley menu _or_ wait | 14:18 |
| kor | the pulley menu update does nothing | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | then wait :) | 14:19 |
| kor | right. so for now, the device is still vulnerable to heartbleed? | 14:20 |
| Yaniel | on tjc it said that the update will first be distributed to "the first ones" | 14:20 |
| Yaniel | and some hours later to everyone | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | kor: do you run a public https server? :) | 14:21 |
| flux | ggabriel, he probably does use https to connect to web services, though :) | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | flux: well, you need an open port and a server listening surely? | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | i mean, CRIME is even worse, so... | 14:22 |
| flux | ggabriel, you mean a server cannot to the same attach to the client? | 14:22 |
| flux | attack even | 14:22 |
| flux | and 'do' | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | flux: no? | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | the attack is to the server | 14:22 |
| kor | ggabriel: i'm not sure if you get this | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | you steal the keys | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | and then you do MiM | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | I think I do | 14:22 |
| kor | it'll grab any data that's within 64k | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | also, even if you are not vulnerable but the server is, the information in the server is retrievable nonetheless | 14:23 |
| flux | ggabriel, internet suggests differently, ie.: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/55249/what-clients-are-proven-to-be-vulnerable-to-heartbleed | 14:23 |
| flux | for example I could here give a https link for you guys | 14:23 |
| flux | you would follow it | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | flux: don't believe everything that the internet tells you ;-) | 14:23 |
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| ggabriel | flux: that starts a number of attacks actually | 14:23 |
| clau2 | order of unlocking sim and phone has changed. very good, now I don't risk getting my sim locked by an evil person :) | 14:23 |
| flux | ggabriel, hmm, the claim "The following clients have been tested against 1.0.1f and leaked memory before the handshake" seems awfully specific | 14:24 |
| kor | using heartbeat leaks to mitm https traffic is an example of what you can do, not the only thing you can do. | 14:24 |
| flux | the https-link I would give, you would follow it, I would attach the client from the server, I would possibly retrieve some random data, ie. passwords from the client memory | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | flux: In your client, open https://localhost:4433/ | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | from the README | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | so, question again: do you listen https on your jolla? | 14:25 |
| kor | nevertheless, this seems like going back to the time when symbian updates weren't released to everybody | 14:25 |
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| CoderCandy | Hi | 14:26 |
| flux | ggabriel, of course a server needs to be involved | 14:26 |
| CoderCandy | How do I make my Jolla make sounds? | 14:26 |
| CoderCandy | I lost it | 14:26 |
| CoderCandy | But I have SSH | 14:26 |
| flux | ggabriel, a client cannot connect to client | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | flux: i get your point tho | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | but there are other more interesting attacks from a malicious website | 14:26 |
| flux | such as? | 14:26 |
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| ggabriel | IE/m$/chrome exploits and so on | 14:27 |
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| ggabriel | flux: your attack suggests 2 weakneses: heartbleed and user going to a malicious website | 14:27 |
| flux | those can retrieve client memory from a jolla device?-) | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | so the client is less vulnerable | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | flux: memory, HD, depends o the attack, yeah | 14:27 |
| flux | ggabriel, yeah, there are NEVER malicious ads put into advertisement networks etc.. | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | flux: never, ever | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | especially in google ;-) | 14:28 |
| flux | and no jolla user would surf a torrent webiste :) | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | i see your point | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | but i still think that it's a bit of a edge case, if that makes sense | 14:28 |
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| flux | with some bad luck it could even be able to download all the passwords from the browser password storage | 14:28 |
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| flux | I haven't heard of such a chrome exploit for a while | 14:29 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: i have no more ieas, sorry :( | 14:29 |
| Kabouik | coderus, thanks anyway :[ | 14:29 |
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| Kabouik | I wonder if I may try deleting /opt/alien/system now, then uninstall Dalvik, and reinstall | 14:30 |
| Kabouik | See how it goes | 14:30 |
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| Kabouik | (With a save of /opt/alien/system/app to save .apk files) | 14:30 |
| Kabouik | I don't know if it would mess up every apk installation, or just reset their settings | 14:31 |
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| clau2 | the android dialer works now, and Jolla asks for confirmation before dialing. nice. | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | did anybody have real problems with this? | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | er, the update | 14:33 |
| clau2 | Stskeeps: very nice job, and I appreciate the list of bugs at the end of the release notes. | 14:33 |
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| Kabouik | Not me. My Google Play issue is a long lasting one | 14:33 |
| Kabouik | And Google Play is not officially supported anyway :] Great job for this update guys | 14:34 |
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| matrixx | anyone seen: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.gDtxOS: line 34: : command not found | 14:44 |
| matrixx | when running qmake (sdk on win8) | 14:45 |
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| flanag | Stskeeps: The bright green screen saying the android apps will be updated is unresponsive (touching the OK doesn't do anything).. has been like this for a couple of minutes | 14:45 |
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| flanag | if that's "normal", how long should I wait? | 14:45 |
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| pp | closer to 10 mins for the android stuffs for me | 14:47 |
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| ggabriel | no update for me just yet, but haven't been on a wlan | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | and when i get home, i'll be too drunk | 14:47 |
| flanag | pp: but was your screen unresponsive? I thought they were supposed to update in the background (showing something on the icons in the app drawer) | 14:48 |
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| pp | nope, phone completely usable (apart from android apps) | 14:48 |
| flanag | so yeah.. there's a problem that I can report, Stskeeps | 14:49 |
| flanag | the phone just shut off the screen but double tap brought it back to the green screen which is still unresponsive | 14:49 |
| flanag | hmm.. | 14:50 |
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| flanag | at least I can still SHH in, so it's not completely unresponsive | 14:52 |
| flanag | *SSH | 14:52 |
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| artemma | Is here somebody with Google Services installed? Could you, please, try running and signing up for EasyPark Android app? It crashes on login attempt for me. I'd like to know if it's because of google services missing | 14:58 |
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| artemma | or maybe I could check it myself if I could see an Android logcat.. Is there a way to see Android's logcat on Jolla? | 14:59 |
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| pp | see /opt/alien/system/bin | 15:00 |
| pp | or whatnot | 15:00 |
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| flanag | Aard, Stskeeps, anyone else: How could I safely reset the UI (lipstick?) through SSH to get rid of this unresponsive green screen? (I don't want to force a reboot if the Android updates are still in process) | 15:02 |
| locusf | flanag: systemctl-user restart lipstick.service | 15:04 |
| flanag | thanks, locusf | 15:05 |
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| flanag | and thanks again, locusf, it restarted now and the phone is usable | 15:06 |
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| Tofe | flanag: isn't it a bit optimistic to restart lipstick when something is running ? I mean, it's the compositor, a bit like if you kill X in the middle of an apt update... | 15:07 |
| Tofe | Just to say, personnally I would have waited. | 15:08 |
| flanag | Tofe: well, it had been running for probably 20-30 minutes already, so it was finished | 15:08 |
| Tofe | ah ok | 15:08 |
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| flanag | Tofe: waiting more wouldn't have helped because the green notice shouldn't have gotten stuck there | 15:08 |
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| Turski | interesting, i'm having some kind of loop of complete UI freezes | 15:09 |
| Jonni | matrixx: yes, I've seen that, for me it was becuse for git checkout as windows linefeeds vs unix linefeeds. Started to work when I checked project out as unix. Dont know if your having same problem. | 15:09 |
| Turski | device responds to ssh but opening the screen lock causes immediate freeze and leads to red led blinking | 15:10 |
| Turski | nothing gets logged to journal | 15:10 |
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| flanag | hmm, the accelerometer doesn't seem to be working in android apps anymore | 15:12 |
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| flanag | hmm, even native apps are not rotating, maybe it needs a restart | 15:14 |
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| Turski | is there something useful information i can get from my device for developers about this? | 15:16 |
| Turski | hmm, maybe developers are not interested in this time at friday | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: ^^^ | 15:18 |
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| Turski | freeze happens now every time when i swipe to multitasking view | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | that doesn't sound good.. | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | anything interesting in journal? | 15:20 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: nothing | 15:20 |
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| Turski | Stskeeps: but i guess reboot will fix this | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:21 |
| * Stskeeps waits for w00t to show up | 15:21 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Turski: if it happens again, very interested to gdb it | 15:21 |
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| Turski | Stskeeps: well, it's happening now | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | okay, got ssh in and root? | 15:21 |
| Turski | yep | 15:22 |
| w00t | Turski: nothing in journal at all? | 15:22 |
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| Turski | w00t: at least nothing is printed when it freezes | 15:22 |
| w00t | Turski: can you check dbus-monitor (both session and system busses)? | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: i'm pondering about crash-reporter.. | 15:23 |
| Turski | hmm... | 15:23 |
| Turski | Apr 11 18:22:25 jolla-th dbus-daemon[550]: dbus[550]: [system] Rejected send message, 5 matched rules; type="method_return", sender=":1.10" (uid=0 pid=884 comm="/usr/sbin/ofonod -n --noplugin=dun_gw,hfp,hfp_ag ") interface="(unset)" member="(unset)" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" .../usr/bin/fastdormancyd " | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | [18:39:24]<Stskeeps> pkcon install crash-reporter | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | [18:39:54]<Stskeeps> systemctl --user enable crash-reporter.service | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if that's enough, but check [root@Jolla nemo]# sysctl -a| grep rich | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | kernel.core_pattern = |/usr/sbin/rich-core-dumper --pid=%p --signal=%s --name=%e | 15:24 |
| Turski | installing... | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | also, pkcon install gdb | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | and gcore lipstick `pidof lipstick` | 15:26 |
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| Stskeeps | if it's looking like lipstick isn't factually crashing | 15:26 |
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| w00t | Turski: can you check journalctl -a | grep ofono | 15:26 |
| w00t | also | 15:26 |
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| Turski | i can actually give ssh access to either of you if that makes it easier | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | it might | 15:30 |
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| Turski | just give my a public key | 15:32 |
| Turski | s/my/me/ | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok, sec.. | 15:32 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: I finally bothered to do it. Thanks to the dispatch symbol it's oh so clean looking http://pastebin.com/mJ0max9t | 15:34 |
| sharpneli | I'll just have to merge the idload together with the glesv2, add OpenCL extensions and commit it for first version of the support | 15:34 |
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| sharpneli | I wonder why I took so long to actually do something this trivial :E | 15:36 |
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| artemma | Is there somebody who has Google Play Services for a while (by now)? Are there noticeable negative effects? | 15:45 |
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| Skorpy | haven't had any negative effects. | 15:49 |
| Skorpy | atleast haven't noticed any. :P | 15:50 |
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| TriztAway | just before I start to apply the latest sailfish update, any reports about things that would break the update? repositories that should be disabled? | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Trizt: only if you're not on 1.0.4.* | 16:03 |
| Waitee | i didnt disable anything and it woked well | 16:03 |
| Waitee | worked even | 16:03 |
| Trizt | okey, that is good news then, really hate the slowness of enabling/disabling things in warehouse | 16:03 |
| Waitee | yeah | 16:04 |
| Waitee | and there is no button to "disable everything" | 16:04 |
| artemma | Skorpy: thanks. Will go try find instructions for google play installation then. Should be stable by now I guess | 16:04 |
| * Trizt nods | 16:04 | |
| Skorpy | artemma: https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 16:04 |
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| artemma | oh! They are even straight on together now! Thanks, Skorpy ! | 16:05 |
| Skorpy | np :) | 16:05 |
| * Trizt holds his fingers crossed | 16:05 | |
| kimmoli_sailing | only thing i have seen, if you download update, then before installing it, install something else.. bad things might happen. luckily did it with pkcon so had chance to cancel.... | 16:06 |
| Aard | kimmoli_sailing: won't be able to do that after update5 anymore | 16:07 |
| Trizt | Aard: update or pkcon? | 16:07 |
| Aard | install something else | 16:08 |
| * Trizt nods again | 16:08 | |
| Trizt | by the way, anyone working on a native kdeconnect ? | 16:09 |
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| * Aard has no idea what that is | 16:10 | |
| Trizt | control your KDE desktop from your cellphone | 16:10 |
| * Aard does not have a kde desktop | 16:10 | |
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| * Trizt uses kde or ctwm | 16:14 | |
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| Trizt | let see if it gets up after reboot | 16:16 |
| Trizt | change of order which code to enter first, this time lock code and then pin code | 16:18 |
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| * Trizt still hates the none functional lock when turning of the screen with a swipe | 16:20 | |
| Trizt | this alien dalvik update, will I have all the settings left intact? and does it understand from where to dowload the apps again? | 16:22 |
| Trizt | feels like it fucked up, don't seem to even manage to install yandex | 16:24 |
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| mornfall | so this time, how about brojen packages that come from jolla repos? | 16:24 |
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| mornfall | still risky i reckon? | 16:24 |
| Trizt | mornfall: according to some no, no risk and I didn't disable any extra repos and it worked | 16:25 |
| Trizt | at least for me | 16:25 |
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| Trizt | just the android app reinstall may look like no progress | 16:25 |
| mornfall | not openrepos, i know that is fixed | 16:26 |
| mornfall | i mean honest upstream jolla repo | 16:26 |
| mornfall | qt -dev packages are broken but i still use them | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | huh? | 16:27 |
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| mornfall | installed with zypper | 16:28 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: because of libgl/llvmpipe conflict | 16:28 |
| mornfall | libhybris i mean | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. you want to build on device | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | as a general recommendation you should probably just mic a rootfs with devel packages | 16:29 |
| mornfall | maybe... it's a bother tho :) | 16:30 |
| mornfall | but sailfish is a real linux, zo why not use it like one ;) | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | well | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | generally we don't build sailfish apps or components together with the hw adaptation cos of things like this | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | we build against mesa | 16:34 |
| artemma | Android is actually pretty fast after update! | 16:36 |
| mornfall | i understand that, but wouldn't it be nice to have actual build capability out of the box? sdk's are so 90s... | 16:36 |
| artemma | And the whole phone feels a bit faster too | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: yes, its' the 'finally somebody pays attention to what stskeeps says' release of dalvik | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | before it was doing a GPU texture upload for every single android frame | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | => dead slow | 16:36 |
| artemma | in google maps you can pan fine and instagram scrolling seems to happen even when many apps are running (a little slowish still, but that's not sluggish slowness) | 16:36 |
| artemma | oh :) | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | because somebody didn't listen to me originally | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:37 |
| artemma | that's many bites to through between GPU and the rest | 16:37 |
| artemma | tytes* | 16:37 |
| artemma | bytes* | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: i don't disagree but it's tough to avoid things blowing up | 16:37 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: personal thanks to you then :) | 16:37 |
| * artemma uses a couple of Android apps all the time. Instagram most notably | 16:38 | |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: we tried to balance that in meego times but simply wasn't possible | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, sb2 isn't really hostile | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:38 |
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| mornfall | seems to work pretty well now... modulo the deps problem | 16:38 |
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| * artemma wonders why there wasn't a tweetian update for a while. People were showing nice fixes applied, but I'd like to install from harbour if possible | 16:39 | |
| mornfall | what is sb2? | 16:39 |
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| Kiranos | lol tele2 provider: send an empty sms to number and you will get mms settings | 16:40 |
| Kiranos | jolla cant send an empty sms :P | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | Kiranos: hmmm. | 16:40 |
| Kiranos | send is greyed out | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | special_: ^ | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | mornfall: scratchbox2, we use it for sdk etc | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | and platform sdk | 16:40 |
| Acce | Kiranos: maybe (as a workaround) you could just put something there, maybe they don't care whether it's really empty | 16:40 |
| Acce | if you already didn't try that | 16:41 |
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| mornfall | sdk is binary only and a huge pain to install on my OS... | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, not exactly | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | you can just grab mer platform sdk | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | and use a sailfishos target | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, i think work day is over, time for a cold one | 16:42 |
| mornfall | i could try to work that out, yeah | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | as update seems quite successful | 16:42 |
| mornfall | still ;) | 16:42 |
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| mornfall | yep, heading for one already :D | 16:42 |
| Kiranos | Acce: I tried sending with some contend but didnt get the settings back | 16:42 |
| Kiranos | got something else | 16:42 |
| Acce | :/ too bad then | 16:43 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: update worked great | 16:43 |
| Kiranos | otherwise | 16:43 |
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| Acce | maybe using this https://together.jolla.com/question/17992/sending-an-sms-via-the-command-line/ | 16:43 |
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| Acce | you could send an empty one | 16:44 |
| Acce | if you have dev mode | 16:44 |
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| Kiranos | dont know if anyone understand swedish but I got the android settings for MMS and its not really the same: | 16:44 |
| Kiranos | http://settings.tele2.com/?operator=tele2se&locale=sv_se | 16:44 |
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| Kiranos | pretty self explainatory even if you dont understand swedish | 16:44 |
| Kiranos | alot of settings that is missing on my jolla | 16:44 |
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| Morpog | artemma, you just need to poke veskuh a bit for a new release :) | 16:58 |
| Kabouik | Sfiet_Konstantin, is the pandora-box on Openrepos the "stable" version of the one on OBS? I see that the OBS version as more patches at the moment (http://reho.st/preview/self/2f4dd70567e7b52496eb03de53aaf913c27651b6.jpg) and it's appealing | 16:58 |
| Kabouik | has* | 16:58 |
| artemma | Morpog: I hope it somehow happens soonish anyway :) Don't like poking for just faster-faster-faster | 16:59 |
| Morpog | feel free to add some patches ;) | 16:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Kabouik: the one on OBS is not stable | 16:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | soon it will | 16:59 |
| Morpog | the issues list is long and my knowledge isn't that advanced to fix most of that stuff. | 16:59 |
| Kabouik | So you recommand waiting update of the OpenRepos one? It will feature all patches being tested in the OBS version at some point I guess | 17:00 |
| Morpog | and I guess veskuh is busy with sailfishos stuff :) | 17:00 |
| artemma | maybe I just switch to openrepos for tweetian (I guess it is there) | 17:01 |
| Morpog | it is | 17:01 |
| Morpog | but not all patches | 17:01 |
| Morpog | just build it for yourself | 17:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Kabouik: indeed | 17:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Kabouik: it might happen in a few minutes | 17:02 |
| artemma | I only miss one particular fix: harbor version jumps to the top of a list when you reply to somebody | 17:02 |
| Morpog | thats not the prooblem of reply | 17:02 |
| Kabouik | Great Sfiet_Konstantin, thanks | 17:02 |
| Morpog | it's a refresh problem | 17:02 |
| artemma | yep, but it seems to be fixed in master | 17:02 |
| Morpog | reply just does a refresh automatically | 17:02 |
| artemma | maybe fixed in openrepos version too. Or maybe not | 17:02 |
| Morpog | artemma, no I don't think it's fixed | 17:03 |
| * artemma has seen a dev showing him that it doesn't happen anymore at #jollatre | 17:03 | |
| * Morpog fires up SDK | 17:03 | |
| artemma | there was somebody looking for what to fix in tweetian. I mentioned this problem at he showed that it's fixed | 17:03 |
| artemma | maybe the refresh does happen, but the list is kept at the position | 17:04 |
| Morpog | I can't see it fixed from commits and issue is still open artemma | 17:04 |
| artemma | hmm, maybe that was a temporary glitch on that dev's build then :) | 17:04 |
| * artemma figured parkman app works just fine with Jolla Android now. Easypark crashes when trying to access GPS | 17:05 | |
| artemma | so helsinki jolla folks can use parkman for paying for parking | 17:05 |
| Morpog | artemma, just tried woth latest build, still happens... | 17:06 |
| artemma | funny | 17:06 |
| artemma | well, some strange thing happened at jollatre then | 17:06 |
| Morpog | which dev was that? | 17:06 |
| artemma | don't quite remember | 17:07 |
| artemma | anyway not somebody who touches tweetian normally. His whole point was to learn coding for sailfish by trying to compile tweetian and fix something small there | 17:07 |
| Morpog | hmm, so hugovk or raimue then :) | 17:08 |
| Morpog | https://github.com/veskuh/Tweetian/graphs/contributors | 17:08 |
| * artemma off for home | 17:09 | |
| artemma | not sure if he committed anything | 17:10 |
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| carstenm | roboro: i think this one qualifies, https://together.jolla.com/question/38420/how-would-a-sailfishos-wearable-look-to-you/#post-id-38497 | 17:12 |
| * carstenm ponders to write a blog post of even why not to invest 100% in product-only work, and to remember to look into research and experimental ideas.. | 17:14 | |
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| Nicd- | there are two carstens now? :o | 17:21 |
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| Pnuu | threaded munk | 17:21 |
| Nicd- | two slave masters now, hopefully they don't run into a deadlock while commanding the boat :P | 17:22 |
| carstenm | private munk | 17:23 |
| carstenm | :P | 17:23 |
| Morpog | lol | 17:23 |
| Tofe | ah ok, so this is how we can tell you're not at work anymore :) | 17:25 |
| Tofe | subtil | 17:25 |
| carstenm | yes | 17:25 |
| carstenm | it's all about sensory deprivation :P | 17:26 |
| Nicd- | for some reason my google calendar sync is not getting all the calendars | 17:26 |
| thargor | one stupid question, not all waves are done yet? | 17:27 |
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| carstenm | thargor: if you haven't received it, check update in about product | 17:28 |
| carstenm | it should be | 17:28 |
| thargor | I checked and not yet received | 17:28 |
| thargor | my phone says up to date :-( | 17:29 |
| carstenm | 1.0.4.* ? | 17:29 |
| thargor | 1.0.4.20 correct | 17:29 |
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| Bawal | i think they are releasing the update in waves | 17:30 |
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| Bawal | just wait, you'll get it | 17:30 |
| thargor | that was my question if all waves are already pushed or some still are missing ;-) | 17:30 |
| Bawal | ah yes, my b | 17:31 |
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| Bawal | tl;dr mode :P | 17:31 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: What's the package libhybris-sbj-libOpenCL-0.0.0.35-10.9.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm on repo? It seems to be empty | 17:32 |
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| carstenm | Sailor8122_: headers | 17:33 |
| carstenm | err | 17:33 |
| carstenm | sharpneli: | 17:33 |
| carstenm | prolly has -devel too | 17:34 |
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| sharpneli | It seems to available only on the device. Not on the SDK | 17:34 |
| HtheB | ugh, major bug on jolla now :( | 17:34 |
| HtheB | it has issues with the screen on android apps | 17:34 |
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| HtheB | like Drastic (nintendo DS emulator) | 17:35 |
| carstenm | sharpneli: yeah, that's what i mentioned? | 17:35 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: what kind of issues? | 17:35 |
| HtheB | it resizez the screen | 17:35 |
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| HtheB | but the onscren buttons works (you don't see them, but the buttons works ) | 17:36 |
| HtheB | but the video is VERY small | 17:36 |
| Nicd- | in every android app? | 17:36 |
| HtheB | it worked perfect on the previous version | 17:36 |
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| HtheB | Nicd-: I encountered this on Drastic | 17:36 |
| HtheB | the first app that I tried :p | 17:36 |
| sharpneli | carstenm: Ah ok. | 17:37 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: do you know who works on the android compatibility? | 17:38 |
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| pp | rpm -qi --changelog | 17:43 |
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| pp | ;) | 17:43 |
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| HtheB | SfietKonstantin: you there? | 17:52 |
| SfietKonstantin | HtheB: yep | 17:52 |
| SfietKonstantin | not for long but here | 17:52 |
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| HtheB | hmmm... re-installing the app fixed my problem | 18:02 |
| HtheB | weird ... :p | 18:03 |
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| Scelt | hey someone with awesome karma (over 75) | 18:18 |
| Scelt | https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 18:18 |
| Scelt | "Since Sailfish OS 1.0.4.20 possibly: Installation of untrusted software being enabled. Set |- Settings | System | Untrusted software | "Allow untrusted software" = active -|. (I could not test this, installation may also work while this option is left inactive.)" | 18:18 |
| Scelt | no need to do that at least in newest os version | 18:18 |
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| thargor | still waiting for the update | 18:49 |
| crazy_imp | are there known limitations to installing apks that require bluetooth access? | 18:50 |
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| Jef91 | If I bought a jolla from a 3rd party would it work with a tmobile sim chip in the US? | 18:50 |
| Nicd- | Jef91: there is no guarantee | 18:53 |
| Nicd- | at least for 3G I think | 18:54 |
| keithzg | Jef91: It certainly wouldn't work on AWS, which is the majority of T-Mobile's 3G infrastructure | 18:54 |
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| Aard | Jef91: compare the frequencies on the spec site with what your carrier offers in your area. the phone is not sim locked, so if the frequencies match it should work, if not, not | 18:59 |
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| Jef91 | Aard, where are the bands for the Jolla listed? | 19:20 |
| Nicd- | Jef91: jolla.com, scroll down and select tech specs | 19:21 |
| Jef91 | thanks cool | 19:24 |
| Jef91 | looks like it is the same as the Nokia N9 | 19:24 |
| Jef91 | Looks promising. | 19:24 |
| keithzg | Jef91: Same as Nokia N9? Hardly, the N9 has pentaband WCDMA, the Jolla only officially supports 2 frequencies on 3G, not 5. Of course it has quad-band 2G because that's pretty much pennies these days, comes for free with any SoC you can buy, heh. | 19:26 |
| Jef91 | they both say "GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900" | 19:27 |
| keithzg | Yeah . . . which is 2G. | 19:27 |
| Jef91 | ahh | 19:27 |
| Jef91 | So I'd likely be missing 3g then | 19:27 |
| Jef91 | that would be awful | 19:27 |
| keithzg | GSM == 2G, WCDMA == 3G | 19:27 |
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| keithzg | You think it's bad, my carrier doesn't even support 2G apart from roaming, and the Jolla can't see the N9's adhoc hotspot, so I keep an Android device on me too as a wifi hotspot, haha | 19:28 |
| * keithzg is admittedly a bit of a crazy person, carrying around 3 phones every day | 19:28 | |
| Jef91 | ha | 19:29 |
| Jef91 | I carried my n900 and n9 for awhile | 19:29 |
| Jef91 | till I got used to the n9 | 19:29 |
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| keithzg | Yeah it's a big leap to go from a physical keyboard to a touchscreen, and Harmattan rather heavily leans on the fact that it's a touchscreen for the UI/UX flow. I dunno though, I got used to it pretty fast once I enabled swipe-to-close. | 19:33 |
| keithzg | That kindof 'clicked' it all for me. Although I still carried my N900 around for ages, if mostly for aircrack-ng, heh | 19:37 |
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| clau2 | Autocorrect seems to be broken for android apps, at least. when you delete letters from a word it duplicates the first letter. | 20:08 |
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| clau2 | Only for words that were selected from suggestions bar, that is. | 20:18 |
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| artemma | clau2: that seems to be happening with previous update. It would be cool if you could report it to TJC. I never was able to find time to figure out when exactly this duplication happens | 20:27 |
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| clau2 | ok, I will. | 20:27 |
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| clau2 | any idea if android apps updates work now? | 20:34 |
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| artemma | clau2: I updated several apps today in 1Mobile, Aptoide and Google Play Store, worked | 20:38 |
| artemma | but I don't think I ever tried updating before today's update | 20:38 |
| clau2 | good to know. I always had troubles. only rarely did updates work and I had to uninstall / reinstall. | 20:39 |
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| ottulo | indeed, seems to work now, while it didn't work just a couple days ago | 20:44 |
| ottulo | downloading the updates did work, but they wouldn't be installed | 20:44 |
| ottulo | that was in Yandex and Aptoide | 20:44 |
| * artemma was just clicking Update button right in stores I think.. | 20:45 | |
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| ottulo | that's what I was doing, but it wouldn't do a thing most of the time.. or it would just download the apk again without installing | 20:45 |
| Raim | free apps always worked for me, but paid apps failed from Play Store before (there is a workaround, though) | 20:45 |
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| clau2 | play store refuses to start here. or rather crashes :( | 20:48 |
| clau2 | do I need to do something special to get it running? | 20:48 |
| Tofe | For me all goes well, apart from the settings of the Mail app, which crashes the Settings app | 20:49 |
| artemma | clau2: maybe I was just lucky | 20:50 |
| clau2 | I'll try a reboot later, one may never know. | 20:51 |
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| Tofe | ok, problem solved, thanks to https://together.jolla.com/question/35299/cant-access-settings-apps-email-anymore-since-ohijarvi-update/ | 21:02 |
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| Sailor8801 | Hi sailors! After updating to 1.0.5 I can no longer access the ambiance menu from open apps, only via gallery and thw white and first one ambience is gone. This is after a factory reset. Anyone experiencing this? | 21:28 |
| Nicd- | Sailor8801: add some of the ambiences as favorite | 21:29 |
| Nicd- | the side menu will reappear then | 21:29 |
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| Sailor8801 | ah, thanks :) | 21:29 |
| Sailor8801 | what about stock ambiances. white and red | 21:30 |
| Sailor8801 | it does not react if I change TOH | 21:30 |
| Hartzi | they must be favorited aswell | 21:31 |
| Sailor8801 | Hartzi: i dont have them at all! | 21:32 |
| Hartzi | oh | 21:34 |
| Sailor8801 | i have looked in warehouse & jolla store but i cannot find them there. did the factory reset with the red TOH if that could somehow mess things up | 21:35 |
| Hartzi | weird | 21:36 |
| Nicd- | Sailor8801: and you've removed and reconnected both TOH when the phone is on? | 21:36 |
| Sailor8801 | yes | 21:36 |
| Nicd- | and nothing happens? | 21:37 |
| Sailor8801 | nope | 21:37 |
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| Sailor8801 | Nicd-: could it be that the switch does not work if the ambiance is not installed? | 21:41 |
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| Sailor8801 | Nicd-: but i remember when i switched to the red TOH the download started.. | 21:43 |
| Nicd- | yeah, it should prompt to install them the first time | 21:46 |
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| junnuvi | Sailor8801: maybe you could try to unintstall ambiences via store and then try to install toh again? | 21:55 |
| Sailor8801 | the ambiences are not installed | 21:56 |
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| sledges | Sailor8801: do you use the jolla account you registered your other halves with? | 22:19 |
| the_mgt | yay, new update | 22:21 |
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| raa70 | should i disable openrepos, or is it sorted? | 22:59 |
| sledges | raa70: it's sorted | 22:59 |
| sledges | starting 1.0.4.20 | 22:59 |
| raa70 | k | 22:59 |
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