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ggabrielo/08:20
iekku\o08:21
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TheBootroo_work\o/08:22
iekku:D08:22
TofeJolla's cheergeeks ?08:23
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iekkuTofe, thanks for image :D08:26
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pawkyIs anybody working on an app to read and use OVI maps offline maps from tne Nokia N9 upon the jolla? This way anybody having an N9 (or some trivial hacking skills) will enjoy an offline nav :-)08:32
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Stskeepspawky: not possible, x11+qt408:32
pawkyStskeeps: Eh... why not?08:33
ln-or do you mean just the map data?08:33
Stskeepswe're a qt5+wayland system08:33
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pawkyStskeeps: yes08:33
Stskeepsplus copyright..08:33
Stskeeps:P08:33
pawkyStskeeps: well.. but i believe that can be circumvented if having an Nokia N908:33
pawkyand, there is no copyright problems providing something that can read the files, you are just not allowed to provide them.08:34
ln-if you copy them from your own N9, then copyright isn't necessarily violated08:34
ggabrielor is it?08:34
ggabrielapple doesn't let you run mac os x on any computer that isn't a mac08:34
ggabrielapparently that's legal08:34
pawkyggabriel: its questionable...08:34
ggabrielif it were my time, i'd develop something to read osm and open it to the world rather than n9 users tbh08:35
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ggabrieland i mean the binary formats, not just tiles08:35
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pawkyggabriel: But I doubt, any one will ever ged sued for it.... ;-)08:45
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ggabrielpawky: I agree, but think about effort08:45
pawkyggabriel: I was hoping for the maeps app, which takes lots of online formats, to also provide the possibility for these files... :-)08:46
ggabrielactually, HERE is one of the things that nokia kept, so not sure if they'll keep quiet if suddenly i release an application that reads their maps08:47
pawkyggabriel: maybe someone who earlier worked for Nokia, accidentally got the file format available?... :-)08:47
pawkyggabriel: otherwise, It shouldn't be to hard to reverse engineer...08:48
ggabrielyou do understand that what you are saying goes against copyright and can make a company/individual liable, right?08:49
pawkyit would be very cool, to have one of the coolest features ever from Nokia, also on the jolla :-)08:49
pawkyggabriel: well... I didn't actually mean someone should do something illegal... that is up to every individuals moral and responsibility. As of writing, i do not know if the actuall format information is non publishable material08:50
pawkyggabriel: This, only the person who has access to them could answer.08:51
pawkyggabriel: Reverse engineering, however questionable is not illegal08:51
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chem|stggabriel: y? if you write a reader for files of another company that only means that they should hire you08:52
ggabrielchem|st: :)08:53
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pawkyggabriel: Do you mean, the HERE file format is secret stuff?08:54
ggabrielnot secret08:54
ggabrielbut can get you in trouble *shrug*08:54
pawkyi wish I had the information, because then I would know if they where... :-D08:55
chem|stggabriel: once able to read I'd upload the data somewhere, but for all I know, the nokia maps have only good coverage for driving by car so where is the point in that?08:57
Nicd-they're road coverage is too good, it often leads to small forest roads and driving through people's yards here in Finland :P08:57
Nicd-their*08:58
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pawkychem|st: The point?... like... when driving a car? :-)09:05
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pawkyNicd-: sounds like great fun to me...09:06
pawkyNicd-: Especially if having a Land Rover Defender :-D09:06
pawkySo, does any one know if the .CDT file format is a secrecy, or is it available somewhere? :-)09:06
Yanielcdt?09:07
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Yanielon another note, it seems the wlan signal strength indicator on my jolla still does not update09:28
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opukso, jolla store says I have updates available on the calendar and documents app but they fail to be updated. I'm getting "Problem with store"09:36
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ggabrielopuk: have you checked tjc? I think there are some tips there09:37
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Nicd-yaaay do the server update dance09:42
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stephgyup09:42
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ggabrieluh? what update? jolla update? :)09:42
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pp_openssl?-)09:42
stephghttps://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2014-016009:42
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pp_Nicd-: remember also the certificate revocation dance09:43
stephgis serious09:43
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Nicd-ggabriel: the openssl update dance09:44
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ggabrielNicd-: yeah, I know09:44
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ggabrielI need to update all me servers09:44
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Nicd-my arch mirrors haven't updated yet :(09:44
Nicd-I feel so vulnerable09:44
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ggabrielI can feel the men and women in the middle trying to sniff my data09:44
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ggabrielmaybe they'll sniff the details of my mortgage and start paying for it09:45
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stephgggabriel, that'd be nice09:47
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ggabrielwhat do you know09:48
ggabrieli can turn off ssl heartbeat09:48
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* ggabriel turning off ssl heartbeat09:49
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stephgdon't think you can actually?09:50
stephgfrom what I've read you can't09:50
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ggabrielyou compile openssl without it09:50
* ggabriel uses gentoo :D09:50
ggabrieluse flags ftw09:51
stephghaha09:51
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ggabrieli can't on my obsd box, but that one i'm sure just needs an update09:51
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opukggabriel: pkcon refresh gives me Fatal error: File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/features/latest/xt9/armv7hl/?credentials=store', could that be related?10:11
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ggabrielopuk: could be - i'd certainly wouldn't expect that error message10:12
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Nicd-phew, server updated10:24
Waiteehttp://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/critical-crypto-bug-in-openssl-opens-two-thirds-of-the-web-to-eavesdropping/10:25
* ggabriel runs around in a frenzy10:25
ggabrielisn't half the world using iis anyway?10:25
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ggabrielWaitee: http://blog.htbaa.com/news/irssi-ignore-joins-parts-quits-and-nicks-messages10:30
Waiteety10:30
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ggabrieltry it, it was the second link in my search10:30
ggabrielyou'll find that surprising, as htat's normally an ad in google10:30
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ggabrielbut i don't use google :P10:30
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WaiteeIgnoring JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS from #jollamobile10:31
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Waitee^^10:31
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Waiteei guess it works :D10:33
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Waiteehavent seen join or part messages since10:33
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Nicd-works because I have10:33
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Waiteenice10:34
Waitee:D10:34
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pawkyYaniel: if you unzip your N9 offline maps zip file you will find lots of .cdt files11:18
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Yanielokay11:19
pawkyYaniel: .cdt = City DaTa?... :-)11:20
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leinirwould've thought cartography...11:23
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pawkyleinir: sounds fair enough, but looking upon the paths, its probably Citymaps DaTabase...11:27
pawkySo, nobody in here does know anything regarding these .cdt files? :'(11:27
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pawkyleinir: or... its probably just CacheDaTA , as they do have a file called CachedataHeader.cdt in the zip file :-D11:30
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pawkyJippikayeee! I have found it on the net.... :-)11:31
pawkyis providing a link to a .pdf file stating words such as 'confidential' bad manners in here? :-)11:33
Stskeepsyes, according to freenode11:34
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pawkyOk, well... for anyone wanting to know more about your files in your N9 you might be able to get Navteq to hand you their confidential Data Extraction Format pdf file to you in some legal way then...11:37
Tofepawky: or, they can just google some words of your sentence. Just saying...11:39
pawkyTofe: well, i didn't say that did I? :-)11:40
pawkyAnd I want to be in compliance with freenode :-)11:40
pawkyand all those horrible copyright stuff, that makes the world a lesser place...11:41
Tofepawky: no, you didn't. And the links I found never stated "confidential", so I don't think it is so sensitive.11:41
ggabrielmy android phone just shut down, like with shut down sequence and everything11:42
pawkyggabriel: cool :-)11:42
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ggabrielwhy is it that everybody complains so much when sailfish does it, if most phones out there do it apparently?11:42
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pawkyggabriel: what are people complaining about?11:42
Acceggabriel: because someone is listening to them?11:43
Acceit's useless to complain to google11:43
kimmoli_sailingAcce: that is sure...11:43
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ggabrielAcce: ok, you've answered my question11:43
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elias_a14:46 < Hyperbyte> 13:45 <Fuu^> openssl.org own servers are still unpatched11:50
elias_a:D11:50
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Waiteegg :D11:55
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rigo_Acce: because there is an "unlike" expectation, I think. jolla claims to be less crappy :)11:59
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Accerigo_: well, that too, but realistically, what can you expect from a device that has been released for 4 months or so.. but most people I see having the shutdown problems are seeking a solution when they complain12:01
Acceand Jolla tries to listen and help12:01
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pawkyHow does one do a WIFI direct connection between the jolla and a sony device?12:39
Nicd-I don't think the UI supports adhoc wireless yet12:39
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ggabrielno adhoc that i'm aware of12:41
ggabrielbut why would you want that? :)12:41
pawkywell... but how does one do it? :-)12:41
ggabrielset up an access point in the jolla or sony, connect the opposite device to it?12:41
ggabrielor use bluetooth12:41
ggabrielnot sure what you want to do after connecting12:41
pawkyggabriel: to try out my new addition to play with the Sony QX-10 and jolla :-)12:41
pawkyno, it supports NFC and WIFI...12:42
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pawkywhen it works, it would be cool to manufacture an other half having its bajonette attachment on it :-)12:43
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ggabrielok, set up an ap12:43
ggabrielyou want to play music/video12:43
ggabrielnot sure you'll be able to via wifi tbh12:44
ggabrielbut i don't htink i understand your use case fully either12:44
pawkyggabriel: no, i want to take pictures using it :-)12:44
pawkyits a camera for Android phones and its alike :-)12:44
ggabrielright...12:45
ggabrieli'm not sure how that works12:45
pawkyggabriel: well, thats what I am trying out. :-)12:45
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pawkyggabriel: http://store.sony.com/smartphone-attachable-lens-style-camera-zid27-DSCQX10//cat-27-catid-Collections-Best-Low-Light-Cameras12:47
ggabrieli figured, still don't know how it works12:47
ggabrieli accept donations tho12:47
pawkyggabriel: Well, thats exactly what I am working upon, trying to figure out how it works... :-)12:49
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ottulobasically a stand-alone camera that can be controlled from an android/iphone using the right app12:57
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pawkyottulo: yepp :-)12:59
ggabrieli bet the interface is state of the art12:59
ggabriellike the gopro one12:59
ggabriel...12:59
pawkyottulo: So I am trying out how far i will get with it on the jolla12:59
pawkyggabriel: No, but imagine what could be done on a jolla. :-)12:59
pawkyggabriel: you controll it, with an open API13:00
pawkylike REST, or what have you :-)13:00
pawkyso, its very easy to implement into jolla13:00
ggabrielpawky: ...13:01
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pawkyand then when someone will manufacture a backplane with its bayonette fitting, it will be really cool. The one I have is nicely white, which matches13:01
ggabrielyou can easily do that with the gopro fwiw13:01
ggabrielbut it restricts your wlan to be connected to one AP13:01
ggabriel*shrug*13:01
ggabrielso it limits the uses that the camera has, jolla or otherwise13:01
pawkyggabriel: yes, and does the gopro have optical stabilizer and 10x  optical zoom?13:02
ggabrielpawky: you're missing the point13:02
pawkyggabriel: which is?13:02
ggabriel*if* your camera interfaces with android by becoming an ap, then you can only control it so long as the phone is permanently connected to the camera13:02
ggabrielthat's the way the gopro works13:02
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ggabrielso, 10x zoom or not, it limits your abilities13:03
ggabrielif you ask me, i'd sooner get a dslr or a new lens for my dslr13:03
fluxand how does your dslr upload images to a website?13:04
pawkyggabriel: no, you can control it also when not connected.... but you will have to gues a bit what you take pictures of...13:04
ggabrielflux: sd card?13:04
ggabrielpawky: same with the gopro....13:04
fluxggabriel, so you get another eyefi or similar for your camera13:04
pawkyggabriel: I am sorry, i cannot see your point here...13:04
ggabrielbut it's got a proper wide angle13:04
fluxwhich already is many times the size of the sony device, which is basically the size of the lense13:04
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pawkyggabriel: It's a remote camera controlled using wifi or NFC. if one likes this..13:04
fluxinstead of not making use of the display, wifi, 3g, etc. you're already carrying with you13:04
ggabrielpawky: you argue that "imagine the possibilities". I argue that the possibilities are reduced on the assumption that your camera is an AP and your phone has to be constantly connected to it13:05
ggabrielflux: agree, but Y U NO bluetooth?!13:05
fluxggabriel, because bluetooth is slow?13:05
ggabrielpawky: nfc only connects wifi automatically13:05
pawkyggabriel: Any thing with an open  API controllable from what have you gadget is a cool thing.13:05
fluxI wouldn't want to use a bluetooth viewfinder13:05
ggabrielflux: i disagree there13:05
Nicd-bluetooth is too slow13:05
pawkyand I believe the QX-10 will look a lot cooler mounted on the backplate of a Jolla, compared to your gopro...13:06
ggabrielfor what I know, and that's the way the gopro works, bluetooth would be enough13:06
ggabrielpawky: different devices for different things13:06
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pawkyggabriel: exactly, and thats why I cannot really see your point comparing them13:06
fluxbasically, gopro and the sony device are the same13:06
ggabrielpawky: we're talking about different things13:06
fluxexcept gopro lacks in camera features, but has one protocol feature13:07
fluxprotocol features are easy, because they're, at least in this case, pure software13:07
ggabrieli'm saying that your sony may connect to the phone in the same way that the gopro does13:07
ggabrielwhich is rubbish13:07
fluxso it's cheap to add the interconnectivity support for sony to any number of phones13:07
ggabrielpawky: tell me: do you have to connect to your lens's wifi to control it?13:07
fluxit's nontrivial to add the optical zoom to the same gopro devices13:07
pawkyhow do you know its rubbish, you havent seen it yet13:07
ggabrielin other words, can you browse internet while connected to your lens and without a sim card?13:07
pawkyggabriel: no13:07
ggabrielso you can browse internet?13:08
pawkyggabriel: why would I want to browse the internet, when being out taking pictures??? if I would, i use 3G13:08
ggabrieljust humour me13:08
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fluxwell, it at least removes the ability to stream camera over wlan13:09
pawkyggabriel: you connect to the phone using NFC or wireless, take your pictures, send them through 3g, and mark the files with your GPS... being  a happy camper13:09
fluxthough, why wouldn't you just stream the data from the camera directly, if the software allows it13:09
pawkyflux: no, I presume you could do so, if uisng NFC... but as NFC doesn't really work that well yet on the Jolla, who am I to know...13:09
ggabrielpawky: you didn't answer my question13:10
ggabrielnfc doesn't transfer vasts amounts of data, it only helps connect devices13:10
pawkyggabriel: yes, I can browse the internet, using 3G...13:10
fluxapparently bluetooth 4.0 provides bandwidth of 25 Mbps, should be enough for camera purposes13:10
pawkyggabriel: as, i am more likely to do so, because there isn't that much fun to take pictures of at home...13:10
ggabrielok, so you can't use a wlan for internet _and_ be connected to the camera at the same time, correct?13:10
pawkyggabriel: this is not a limitation of the camera, but your phone..13:10
ggabrielpawky: nope, it's a limitation on the device that you bought13:11
ggabrielas it should really use bluetooth13:11
pawkyggabriel: still, i cannot really see your point, why would I want to browse the internet when taking pictures?13:11
ggabrielwhich uses less energy and is fast enough13:11
flux'should' for the value 'jolla doesn't support adhoc, so it should not use it'13:11
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ggabrielthe point is that you bluetooth is a better suited protocol to connect 2 devices over wifi13:11
pawkyggabriel: no, not at all, if jolla would have two wifi cards it will all be settled... hey?... it does kind of... its called 3g..13:11
ggabriels/over/instead of/13:11
ggabrielpawky: srsly?13:12
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ggabrielok, i stop now13:12
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pawkyggabriel: the app actually automatically lets you send your stuff to youtube etc, if you use your 3g...13:14
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pawkyggabriel: I am just so amazed, I am talking abaut how cool it could be to create stuff for this device as it has an open API, and you start arguing bluetooth is a better way to connect.13:16
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pawkyggabriel: in my perfect world, connect to the unit using NFC or WIFI and then use 3g to communicate with the internet will suit just fine. on some of my devices I am actually using bluetooth to connect to the internet, making gopro a worse option compared to this unit13:18
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pawkyggabriel: If i wanted to connect to it using bluetooth, i wouldn't have bought this unit in the first place, would I?13:20
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Venemo_jhey13:20
pawkyggabriel: but thanks for lecturing me about what you think is a better communication protocol to use with your devices...13:21
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m4g0ghello13:58
m4g0gWhat proper way to use oauth authorization in jolla applications? Using liboauth or something else?13:58
ggabrielm4g0g: you mean in sailfish os? perhaps #sailfishos is better suited?13:59
m4g0gmay be you are right13:59
ggabrielthere are some posts in tjc about that too13:59
ggabrielmaybe check the mailing list too14:00
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ggabrielthe last time i heard of it was while testing the caldav plugin, which doesn't have oauth implemented :)14:00
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william-genhi,guys14:50
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Waiteehi14:51
william-genwhen will update 5 published?14:51
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Pnuuyes14:51
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ggabrielwilliam-gen: soon :P14:56
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william-gensoon?how long?14:56
Pnuusoon(tm)14:57
Pnuuduring april, most probably14:57
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william-gensee,thanks,pnuu14:58
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FireFlysoonâ„¢ aka 29th of april15:03
william-gen:)15:04
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Aardwilliam-gen: what the others said. the last release candidate for update5 contained one fix. the next release candidate for update5 will most likely contain 2 fixes. so, only small changes -> we're getting close15:05
william-genArad,thanks15:06
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FireFlychanges regarding what?15:26
FireFlyor rather, fixes regarding what?15:26
Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:apr14/page:1/15:27
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AardFireFly: not relevant, just as number that we're getting close to having update5 ready15:27
FireFlyOh, okay15:28
FireFlyOh, I see now that I misread your line15:28
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chem|stPnuu: at least I can send MMS even if I am unable to call...15:34
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KabouikIs there anyway to use irssi or something on the Jolla? An alternative to Communi (that would just be temporary, I love Communi)16:01
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oh8gnzterminal16:02
oh8gnzcreate ssh connectionto server and use irssi16:02
tbrKabouik: no idea if anyone built irssi, but ssh/mosh + screen/tmux + irssi16:02
tbrssh is on device ootb, mosh is in chum16:02
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KabouikI installed mush but I'm on Windows :[16:03
KabouikMosh sorry16:03
KabouikSo communication between Jolla mosh and Windows difficult to set up, have to use special clients on Windows16:03
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KabouikBasically what I want to do is connect to a Quakenet but using the Jolla 3G cpnnexion, but still be able to type with my actual keyboard (so not with Communi)16:05
KabouikThey seemed to have closed the ports for the Quakenet servers I was using here, I can no longer connect to it from my office connexion16:05
oh8gnzwlan?16:06
KabouikI'm on a wired connexion16:06
oh8gnzso do you want to connect to irc via jolla 3g or from jolla mobile phone using some client?16:07
tbrjust route _only_ one of the quakenet server IPs through your jolla16:07
tbror use SSH port forwarding16:07
KabouikI don't know how to do it tbr. But yes, that is what I would like to do: keep my wired connection for everything, but use the 3G to connect to Quakenet16:08
oh8gnzget putty16:08
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oh8gnzthen ssh to you phone16:08
KabouikDone16:08
tbrssh nemo@192.168.2.15 -L6669:irc.quakenet.org:666916:08
tbrthere is an equivalent with putty16:08
oh8gnzchange settings -> connection ssh -> tunnels16:08
tbryou go to tunnels16:08
narchieany developers here?16:09
narchiesailfishos is kinda silent16:09
oh8gnzthen put local port f.e. 1234 and irc.quakenet.org:6669 to to address16:09
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oh8gnzsource 1234 dest irc.quakenet.org:666916:09
oh8gnzand add16:09
oh8gnzthen put your mirc or what ever program you are using to to connect to irc server: localhost:123416:10
KabouikI'm reading the wizzardry you both wrote, trying to understand, and ultimately trying to apply it :P16:10
KabouikThanks already16:10
oh8gnzheh16:11
oh8gnzso that makes ssh tunnel from your computers port 1234 to your jolla and the connection is forwarded to port irc.quakenet.org:666916:12
tbrthe internet is full of people explaining how to tunnel using putty16:12
oh8gnzhttp://www.cs.uu.nl/technical/services/ssh/putty/puttyfw.html16:13
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oh8gnztheres actually same as i tried to tell with images16:13
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KabouikBut when I add the localhost:1234 in my regular IRC client, it automatically adds a port number behind16:14
Kabouikafter*16:14
oh8gnzhmm..16:14
oh8gnzis there a own field for port?16:15
oh8gnzserver address: localhost server port 123416:15
KabouikYes, putting no value doesn't help16:15
oh8gnzput the port into that field and localhost to server address.. should work if you have made that tunnel properly16:16
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KabouikOh yes, how dumb am I to no try that16:16
KabouikWell, it's cycling all the alternate servers right now, I'll see if it works when it tries localhost16:17
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flanagI got a sudden shutdown again and after several tries to restart, it started but brought the 4% bug along for the ride. Then I shut it down myself and it failed to boot again.. after a moment it actually started and worked. I really hope that update5 brings some fixes for this (as was hinted on together). :/16:33
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KabouikBy the way, it works oh2lna, tbr! Thansk.16:59
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tbrKabouik: nice17:02
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Accejust got mail that ubuntu one will end :o18:22
Stskeepswas in the news a while ago18:23
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Acceit grew non-profitable, huh18:31
flanagAcce: did you actually use Ubuntu One? and if you did, what are you going to replace it with?18:33
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Accewell, to tell the thruth, no, I just tried it out once18:34
flanagthought so :)18:34
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disharmonicIs it me or was Sailfish more stable during beta?18:34
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stephgdisharmonic, it's you :)18:39
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cvphi18:59
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bjornHmm, the store app is telling me "You do not have any installed apps"19:49
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bjornA little scary since I have many installed.19:49
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Accesounds like the problem many others have had19:52
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Accehttp://www.jollausers.com/tag/jolla-store-problem/19:55
Accebjorn ^19:55
bjornAcce: Thanks, good to know I'm not the only one!19:56
bjornBut, I have not tinkered with any other stores or repositories.19:57
bjornThough if the problem persists I will anyway try that solution I guess.19:57
bjornIt could also simply be a networking issue.19:58
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bjornAh, it magically works again!19:58
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Accegood to hear it worked :)20:17
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pawkyWTF, isnt the ssh login name nemo?21:10
stephgyep21:10
stephgit is21:10
pawkythen why can i not login after changing the ... password...21:12
stephgyou got the password wrong? ;)21:12
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pawkynever mind.... :-S21:13
stephgheh21:13
stephge21:13
pawkyhow about using the DEVICE network ip, not your local usb ip....21:13
pawky:-D21:14
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pawkyany tips how to make a wireless P2P connection in jolla? :-)21:39
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artemmapawky: I've seen a developer making it happen, so it's possible. But it was also hard and buggy he was saying21:40
pawkyand.. how did he accomplish it? :-)21:41
artemmaI remember only magic word connmann.. or was it a magic swearing word?21:41
artemmawell, to be precise, I was seeing him working on it during #jollatre meetings. And since he is a researcher doing research on it, I guess he'll succeed earlier or later21:42
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artemmaI *think* he succeeding at least with something, but not 100% sure21:42
artemmasucceeded*21:43
pawkyi presume iwconfig is my friend....21:43
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artemmaI remember only connmann swearing21:43
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jf_hey howto reset browser to default state end delete extensions21:45
jf_rm rf something ?21:45
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