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| NePank | hi folks | 02:12 |
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| NePank | NePank: i have a qiestion, how many speakers on bottom should work when music is playing? | 02:19 |
| william_ | 1 | 02:25 |
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| NePank | thnx, i thought already 2nd speaker was damaged by shipping | 02:27 |
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| tbr | pahartik: with comments, it seems to ship an init script... | 04:03 |
| pahartik | tbr: I thought it would be safer not to auto-start | 04:07 |
| tbr | ok | 04:07 |
| pahartik | tbr: Especially since I am not used to playing with "systemd" | 04:08 |
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| pahartik | tbr: As to how do I manually set things up after reboot, I have defined single character alphanumeric ASCII shell aliases... | 04:20 |
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| tbr | pahartik: but could you drop the init script then? it will serve no purpose | 04:27 |
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| pahartik | tbr: I suppose that would be appropriate | 04:42 |
| pahartik | tbr: And then submit it again to "sailfishos:chum:1.0.4.20:testing" like first time? | 04:43 |
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| tbr | pahartik: correct | 04:50 |
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| Mnsu | my email is not syncing automatically anymore, and I can't access settings->apps->email (the settings app apparently crashes), anyone encountered similar situation? | 09:46 |
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| Nicd- | Mnsu: gmail? | 09:46 |
| Mnsu | Nicd-: yes | 09:46 |
| Nicd- | mine stopped working too | 09:46 |
| Mnsu | Nicd-: can you do manual syncing still, e.g. from the cover action? | 09:47 |
| Mnsu | that works for me at least | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | mine is working | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | both settings, automatic and manual sync | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | but i have gmail configured as a normal mailbox | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | Mnsu: no | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | worth checking journal if you have access... | 09:48 |
| Mnsu | Nicd-: probably have different bugs then, or partially different at least | 09:49 |
| Mnsu | Apr 07 12:50:37 localhost jolla-settings[10223]: [W] Buteo::ProfileManagerPrivate::parseFile:1096 - Failed to parse profile XML: "/home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync/syncemail.xml" | 09:51 |
| Mnsu | Apr 07 12:50:37 localhost jolla-settings[10223]: [W] Buteo::ProfileManagerPrivate::load:152 - Failed to load profile: "syncemail" | 09:51 |
| Mnsu | I get those kind of logs, after trying to access email settings page | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | Mnsu: and it crashes? | 09:51 |
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| Mnsu | the app closes immediately when clicking the email settings | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | Mnsu: also, do you have that file? :) | 09:53 |
| Mnsu | yes, but it appears to be empty | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | aha | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | interesting | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | do you want mine? | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | (if you're willing to try...) | 09:53 |
| MMori | miksi on f-securen oltava paha | 09:53 |
| Mnsu | I could test, if the file does not contain any profile specific stuff | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | i bet that if you recreate the account, the file will be recreated as well | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | it seems to be just the profile, as opposed to the account | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | sec | 09:54 |
| MMori | hit and miss, oops | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | Mnsu: http://pastebin.com/1aZqSq2K | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | you can try that, you can try removing the 0b file altogether | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | my file checks email every 30 minutes fwiws | 09:55 |
| Mnsu | ggabriel: thanks. can access the settings now at least | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | np | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | Mnsu: did you have to reboot the phone or something strange? | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | (such as reoboting battery) | 09:59 |
| Mnsu | ggabriel: didn't reboot now, will try that if it does not start syncing | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | s/rebooting/removing/ | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | i mean... i find it strange that you ended up with a 0b file | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | it sounds like the old bug when ext4 came into play | 10:00 |
| Mnsu | well yes, I've had some reboot problems a few times before, and that syncing problem has probably been around for some time now | 10:01 |
| stephg | Mnsu, are you out of space I wonder | 10:01 |
| stephg | can you touch(1) new files in your home directory for example | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | stephg: they might be able to touch even if there's no btrfs space, I was | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | but putting content in failed | 10:01 |
| stephg | fair enough Nicd- then dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/nemo/tastyfile bs=1M count=1 | 10:02 |
| Nicd- | or just 'btrfs fi show' :P | 10:02 |
| Mnsu | I created a file from /dev/zero with cat (~100MB), and that worked | 10:03 |
| stephg | ok so you have space :) | 10:06 |
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| ln- | http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/ | 11:10 |
| Tofe | ln-: quick, we need an anti-virus for Sailfish ! ;) | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | won't work... it'll have to be free ;-) | 11:18 |
| tbr | I'd laugh, but then I saw this and cried a little: https://together.jolla.com/question/17308/sailfish-os-protection/ | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | nothing is secure (tm) | 11:22 |
| flux | well, that being said, as far as I know jolla has no security story. every app runs with all the priviledged of the user. | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | well, user != root | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | that's a start | 11:23 |
| flux | I suppose it prevents one from, maybe, capturing keypresses, as wayland might not have the snooping X has | 11:23 |
| flux | but they are still able to copy all your mail, visit, web pages, etc etc, to whomever they choose | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | otoh, the $USER installs applications, so... | 11:23 |
| flanag | https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.5.11 | 11:33 |
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| Nicd- | forbidden | 11:34 |
| flanag | yeah but it's coming | 11:34 |
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| flanag | they also started tagging (apr14) on together | 11:35 |
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| Yaniel | ooh | 11:36 |
| Turski | ooh | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | ooh | 11:37 |
| junnuvi | cool | 11:37 |
| stephg | #soon is → thataaway ;) | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | so fast | 11:37 |
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| svuorela | what lake is the next one named after? | 11:41 |
| flanag | good question | 11:41 |
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| svuorela | that's usually the most important question :) | 11:43 |
| svuorela | (besides what new bugs and features it comes with) | 11:43 |
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| Nicd- | still waiting for Hervantajärvi | 11:44 |
| Tofe | The previous names were a bit too easy to pronounce, I hope they will choose more carefully this time | 11:44 |
| Kiranos | can someone post a url with questions marked with the tag? | 11:44 |
| Kiranos | sorry | 11:45 |
| Kiranos | searched :P | 11:45 |
| Nicd- | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:apr14/page:1/ | 11:45 |
| Kiranos | Nicd-: thanks | 11:45 |
| Kiranos | mms and sync bugfixes mostly it seems | 11:46 |
| junnuvi | Tofe: like Paanosenlompolo ? | 11:46 |
| flanag | junnuvi: too easy | 11:46 |
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| junnuvi | there is pretty good names available http://www.jarviwiki.fi/w/index.php?title=Luokka:Nimi&from=P | 11:48 |
| flanag | Tofe, junnuvi: maybe some Skolt Sami language? Aanarjäuˊrr | 11:48 |
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| Nicd- | at some point jolla should switch to street names and use Paska-Avenue | 11:48 |
| junnuvi | that sounds complex enought | 11:48 |
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| Tofe | flanag: fair enough | 11:48 |
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| Eyea | jolla )0!1@ )oy | 11:51 |
| Waitee | yeah | 11:52 |
| Eyea | mighty | 11:52 |
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| jussi | Nicd-: for some release that does some integration with windows? :P | 11:52 |
| junnuvi | those names are already reserved for wp | 11:55 |
| junnuvi | :P | 11:55 |
| Pnuu | Nicd-: there's plenty of paskalampi in finland | 11:55 |
| Nicd- | but only one Paska-Avenue | 11:56 |
| Nicd- | it has its own ring to it | 11:56 |
| Skorpy | a ring of shit? | 11:56 |
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| flux | nicd-, and if not Hervantajärvi, then I propose Suolijärvi | 12:07 |
| Nicd- | Ahvenisjärvi would do too | 12:08 |
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| flux | nicd-, how's your weechat relay app going?-) | 12:12 |
| Eyea | )0!1@ | 12:12 |
| Nicd- | worked on it for an hour on saturday, the connection stuff is pretty ready but yet to be hooked into the UI | 12:13 |
| Nicd- | dunno how to implement the ssl error dialog because QSslSocket wants a response immediately whether to continue or not | 12:13 |
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| flux | fail the session, prompt the user, remember the decision? | 12:24 |
| flux | or use threads to pause responding to QSslSocket | 12:24 |
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| Nicd- | the first is the workaround I'm considering | 12:24 |
| flux | you probably want to remember the decision regardless, so it's less work in total | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | the second one is interesting, but could get hairy | 12:25 |
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| Eyea | any open viber type sailfishos app out | 12:26 |
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| Nicd- | there's mitäkuuluu for whatsapp | 12:27 |
| Eyea | yah | 12:27 |
| Eyea | i mean voio | 12:28 |
| Eyea | voip | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | oh, sorry | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | there's a tjc question for thta | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | IMHO it shouldn't be an "app", it should be a plugin | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | remembered viber was whatsapp-like, my memory is playing tricks | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | we don't want sailfish to look like android where each "app" implements its own stack of everything | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | (or ios for that matter) | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | and when I say "we", I mean "I" :P | 12:29 |
| Eyea | yah | 12:29 |
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| Eyea | it woukd be good if sailfishos had extra accounts like n900 or n9 | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | that's probably their plan | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | extra accounts? | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | you mean like sip ones etc? | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | think he means more account types | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | yeah, so tha'ts the idea | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | caldav integration is one of those | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | and it works (tm), just without the frontend | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | so you can def build on top of that | 12:31 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: you mean "we" ever since Maemo I am wondering why android and iOS have separated apps for each service... | 12:31 |
| flux | nothing else makes sense. though, we only have skype through an android app and I wonder if we'll ever get a more integrated solution for that. the vendor might not be co-operating.. | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | like Stskeeps pointed out - the n9 was expected as fully functional, and sailfish is going to grow | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | sadly, i don't see future in skype... | 12:32 |
| chem|st | especially as they did not have multitasking and daemons | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | multi-what? :) | 12:32 |
| chem|st | exactly | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i was also being a bit humble, don't want to speak on behalf of others | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | any multitasking is smoke and mirros | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | +r | 12:33 |
| chem|st | there is actually no need for anything else but proper xmpp support | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | but i just love the simplicity | 12:33 |
| * ggabriel will refer to multitasking in future as the "m" word | 12:34 | |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: sure? the homescreen with different apps having cover-actions is the closest thing to multitasking you may get on a 4.5" screen?! | 12:34 |
| Eyea | any jolla devs in channel | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i want a 27" sailfish screen | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:35 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I'd like to have it on a tablet syncronized with my 40" TV... but well you know the rules! | 12:35 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: is that the announcement of Sailfish-for-TV? *duck* *run* | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: tabelt! | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | er, tablet | 12:37 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: 27" tablet? | 12:37 |
| TemeV | is there any android-tv:s around? Port of Sailfish to one of those would be nice :) | 12:37 |
| tbr | TemeV: all sony TVs run android underneath, but probably not easy to get 'in' | 12:38 |
| Eyea | most droid tablet can handel sailfishos | 12:38 |
| chem|st | another reason to not buy sony | 12:38 |
| TemeV | tbr, ok | 12:38 |
| TemeV | chem|st, +1 | 12:39 |
| chem|st | I buy samsung cause of the technology, I hate the company - what about LG? | 12:40 |
| chem|st | and I regret buying a samsung tablet | 12:40 |
| TemeV | Quality of LG just does not seem to be same level as Samsung | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | buy a sony if you're after quality | 12:41 |
| TemeV | Sony is much more expensive | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | well, good, long lasting quality has a price | 12:42 |
| TemeV | yeah. Samsungs quality and price just meet my requirements and amount of money I'm willing to pay :) | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | fair | 12:42 |
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| Nicd- | LG talks to big brother :P | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | samsung doesn't? ... | 12:43 |
| TemeV | But I don't like Samsung as a company either | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | their Smart TVs at least | 12:43 |
| TemeV | Smart TVs are horrible devices anyway | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | TemeV: i sent too many of their monitors for repair to buy anything from them, regardless of price | 12:44 |
| TemeV | well, I haven't tried new models | 12:44 |
| TemeV | ggabriel, every device has flaws | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | samsung has more than others | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | in my experience anyway | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | so i make a choice as a consumer | 12:45 |
| TemeV | compared to volume? | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | compared to generic monitors | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | compared to sony | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | that's my personal experience anyway | 12:46 |
| TemeV | well, often there is a reason for the lower price | 12:46 |
| ggabriel | in my experience, sometimes samsung was more expensive | 12:46 |
| ggabriel | but in "in development" country | 12:47 |
| Kiranos | ipad beats android tablets by miles imo :) | 12:47 |
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| TemeV | Kiranos, I was considering on buying iPad and was testing one in the store. All the time I tried to close apps with a swipe and thought "this is not going to work out" :) | 12:48 |
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| Bysmyyr | TemeV: :D | 12:48 |
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| TemeV | but ATM, if I wanted a tablet it would most likely be iPad. Waiting for sailfish to land on tablets :) | 12:50 |
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| Kiranos | TemeV: yea I like ios over android actually | 13:04 |
| Kiranos | TemeV: I mostly close the app with the button | 13:05 |
| TemeV | Kiranos, well there isn't other possibilities with iOS, is there? :) | 13:05 |
| Kiranos | I think you can close the app to "multitask" bu haveing an open palm and drag all fingers towards the middle but it works like one out of five times :) | 13:09 |
| TemeV | pinching with all fingers? Thats a gesture that took me a while to learn with mac | 13:11 |
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| Kiranos | TemeV: yes exacly | 13:18 |
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| parasemic | seems like my phone is starting to break down | 13:22 |
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| ggabriel | break down how? | 13:22 |
| parasemic | screen is restarting itself all the time | 13:22 |
| parasemic | with a tearing effect | 13:22 |
| parasemic | used to happen like once an hour, now its going off every 10sec | 13:23 |
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| parasemic | i might be forced to go back to android if the next update doesnt fix the major problems like constant rebooting, bootloops and phone history resetting | 13:25 |
| parasemic | :( | 13:25 |
| flanag | parasemic: Can you go to recovery mode? If I remember right, it should display a static Jolla logo there. If the screen flickers in recovery mode too, it's most probably a hardware problem. If it only flickers when the device is actually booted and usable, there might be something wrong with lipstick. | 13:29 |
| parasemic | how do i go to recovery mode? | 13:30 |
| parasemic | also, Jolla really like to go bootloop every reboot | 13:30 |
| parasemic | likes* | 13:30 |
| flanag | before you go to recovery mode: has it ever flickered during boot up? | 13:31 |
| TemeV | parasemic, try rebootin withou sim card | 13:31 |
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| TemeV | once only way to boot the phone was to take out the sim, wait for phone to "stabilize" put the sim back in and hope that phone does not boot :) | 13:32 |
| TemeV | and ignore the message that tells you to boot after insterting the sim | 13:33 |
| flanag | TemeV: in those kind of situations (continuosly rebooting) it always was stable until the PIN query and then I just skipped the PIN and it stayed on | 13:33 |
| flanag | the situation is of course different if you have PIN query disabled | 13:34 |
| parasemic | TemeV: well, my bootloops are always fixed with removing the battery | 13:34 |
| parasemic | hmm, seems like the screen restarting stopped now. SW issue then | 13:35 |
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| TemeV | flanag, yeah I had disabled PIN query | 13:35 |
| parasemic | any info when the next update is coming? losing phone history twice a day (avg. rate of rebooting) is pretty annoying really | 13:36 |
| flanag | I think all these problems are caused by connectivity.. the Jolla is probably rock-solid without a SIM | 13:36 |
| flanag | parasemic: should be soon, as they have already started tagging on together (apr14) | 13:36 |
| TemeV | flanag, seems to me like that also | 13:37 |
| parasemic | flanag: cool. hope they get it right this time. even if OS fluidity has increased every update, the everyday usability has gone worse at the same time... sigh | 13:38 |
| TemeV | I put this "fix" to a test https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/#post-id-36965 and no reboot since | 13:38 |
| flanag | TemeV: I can't see why that would help | 13:38 |
| flanag | my battery stays really well there even without TOH | 13:38 |
| TemeV | well, bad connection to battery could cause voltage drops and random behaviour | 13:39 |
| Turski | flanag: and you have tried removing the battery for 10 minutes? | 13:39 |
| TemeV | it seems a long shot for mee to | 13:39 |
| TemeV | o | 13:39 |
| flanag | I think it just works because when people are doing this, they'll take their battery off for over 10 minutes | 13:39 |
| parasemic | doubt that too.. cant even get the phone to reboot by forcing the battery to move | 13:39 |
| TemeV | flanag, it does not take 10 minutes to do that | 13:39 |
| flanag | well, 5 minutes is enough to fix it (10 minutes is just to make sure) | 13:39 |
| flanag | so I think the reason is the fact that the battery is off for a time | 13:40 |
| TemeV | maybe | 13:40 |
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| flanag | after the battery trick, the Jolla is usually stable for 1-2 weeks and then starts developing these stability problems until you do the battery trick again | 13:41 |
| flanag | (for me) | 13:41 |
| parasemic | yeah. my reboot are hand-in-hand with certain stuff I do like sending messages in messages or mitäkuuluu, or updating tweets | 13:41 |
| TemeV | for me it helped for a day | 13:41 |
| parasemic | doubt its a HW issue | 13:41 |
| TemeV | at best | 13:41 |
| TemeV | now that I have different operator my reboots went much more rare | 13:41 |
| flanag | TemeV: so the battery was always off for 10 minutes when you did it? | 13:42 |
| TemeV | yeah | 13:42 |
| flanag | ok | 13:42 |
| TemeV | usually i forget it for half an hour or so | 13:42 |
| flanag | there's some hope though: "I believe that a lot of the issues you're seeing will be resolved by the next update, as significant effort was expended on improving the lower-layers of our connectivity stack. But I don't know much about it, at all, so I can't say exactly what changed. Reading the release notes and changelogs when the next update is released will probably be more informative than I have been, I guess." | 13:43 |
| flanag | chris.adams (Apr 3 '14) https://together.jolla.com/question/35079/10420-stability-problems-findings/ | 13:43 |
| TemeV | flanag, yeah I've read that too | 13:43 |
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| nander | Hi | 13:49 |
| nander | Is anyone here a jolla employee and able to look up imei numbers? | 13:50 |
| nander | My phone got stolen, along with my home key and my wallet | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | you can see the imei number on your account page on jolla.com | 13:51 |
| nander | shop.jolla.com or a different page? | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | https://account.jolla.com/registration/login/ | 13:52 |
| kontio | https://account.jolla.com/devices | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | erm, yes | 13:52 |
| nander | I see TWO phones | 13:53 |
| nander | Which is weird | 13:54 |
| nander | Dec. 18, 2013 | 13:54 |
| nander | AND Dec. 23, 2013 | 13:54 |
| Yaniel | and different IMEIs? | 13:54 |
| nander | Yes | 13:54 |
| Yaniel | O.o | 13:54 |
| nander | They only share the first two digits | 13:54 |
| nander | 35 | 13:54 |
| Yaniel | did you use your account on some other phone? | 13:55 |
| nander | No, I didn't | 13:56 |
| Bysmyyr | nander: :( | 13:56 |
| nander | Ah, it might have been my n9 | 13:56 |
| nander | But I don't think it is | 13:56 |
| Yaniel | or do a factory reset (although I don't think that'll give you a new IMEI) | 13:56 |
| nander | That definately shouldn't give you a new imei | 13:56 |
| nander | IMEI should stay the same | 13:56 |
| nander | Is there a pattern in imei? | 13:56 |
| nander | (should jolla imei numbers follow a certain pattern?) | 13:57 |
| nander | Wait a sec, the first one IS my N9, it has to be, unless jolla employees activated it before it arrived | 13:57 |
| Yaniel | did you try sailfish on the N9? | 13:57 |
| nander | Yes | 13:58 |
| nander | It kinda fubarred my n9 | 13:58 |
| Yaniel | then it kind of makes sense | 13:58 |
| nander | (it ran out of juice and since then it has been acting strange) | 13:58 |
| nander | By the way, I'm probably the first person to have a stolen jolla in the netherlands | 13:59 |
| nander | The computer system at the police station didn't recognise jolla as an existing phone brand | 13:59 |
| Yaniel | should be easy to recognize it then :D | 13:59 |
| flanag | nander: did you have a lock-code on it? | 14:00 |
| nander | Yes | 14:00 |
| flanag | great | 14:00 |
| nander | On my sim at least | 14:00 |
| nander | I dunno what happens if he uses a different sim | 14:00 |
| flanag | I meant the phone lock | 14:00 |
| Yaniel | security code | 14:00 |
| flanag | yeah | 14:00 |
| flanag | that | 14:00 |
| nander | I fear I just have a code on my sim | 14:01 |
| nander | Which is blocked | 14:01 |
| nander | The thief was stupid enough to directly start using my debit card (and fail, because he used a wrong code) | 14:01 |
| nander | The bank mentioned that when I blocked my pass | 14:02 |
| Yaniel | now let's hope he is stupid enough to not turn off the phone so it can be tracked down by the operator :P | 14:02 |
| Yaniel | (or change the sim) | 14:02 |
| Bysmyyr | operator can see IMEI | 14:03 |
| Yaniel | yes but does it help much if the sim is from another operator? | 14:03 |
| Yaniel | I guess they do some sharing of stolen IMEIs though | 14:03 |
| Bysmyyr | I think so | 14:03 |
| Bysmyyr | but best way is to kill that phone via jolla | 14:04 |
| nander | Can jolla press a death switch? | 14:04 |
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| Bysmyyr | atleast turn off updates and store | 14:05 |
| nander | Based on imei? | 14:05 |
| Bysmyyr | I think so | 14:05 |
| nander | I think it would be more hilarious to do evil updates | 14:05 |
| nander | (if your emei is one of a stolen phone, you get a different update) | 14:05 |
| nander | Which causes your phone to overheat and explode | 14:06 |
| nander | :D | 14:06 |
| parasemic | anyone know why cant i install prey? installing from warehouse app gives "transaction /2469_vedcaedb" error | 14:06 |
| Bysmyyr | overheating should be easy to implement | 14:06 |
| Bysmyyr | but better way is to contact to that person who tries to use own jolla account | 14:07 |
| nander | I could also ask facebook to keep tabs on that phone | 14:07 |
| nander | Facebook was online on that phone | 14:07 |
| nander | When it got stolen | 14:07 |
| nander | I could ask them if they know when it went dark | 14:08 |
| Bysmyyr | they know everything | 14:08 |
| nander | I could ask them for everything they know | 14:08 |
| nander | (european laws) | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | and that's kids, why you use a lock code on your device.. | 14:08 |
| nander | I didn't even know that was possible | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | the phone is practically a brick after that to people who aren't using it | 14:08 |
| nander | It got stolen at a bloody themepark... | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | er, using the correct code | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:09 |
| nander | At the station of a rollercoaster | 14:09 |
| nander | There was no queue, so I kept reriding it (just stayed on my seat) and after 10 rounds or so it was gone | 14:09 |
| nander | It may have been lots more than 10 rounds xD | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | we had to design it from point of view that we had a supersecret OS coming up; and we like to drink beer; so it had to be able to pass the 'loosing phone in a bar' scenario.. | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:10 |
| flanag | lol | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | heh | 14:10 |
| nander | Stskeeps, you should have given it legs and the possibility to find its way home | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | drone toh | 14:10 |
| nander | Even better, so when you're drunk you just crawl behind your phone | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | :D | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | nander: shh, business opportunity, TOH | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:10 |
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| nander | Damm, april first is a few days ago | 14:10 |
| flanag | I'm glad the usb exploit (for the device lock) was fixed so fast after I reported it, thanks for that | 14:10 |
| nander | That's a pity | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | nander: i'm not sure we can do so much but mail care about your lost phone with your IMEI.. | 14:11 |
| Bysmyyr | and this is purpose of the lock code you can set timer very high | 14:11 |
| nander | I didn't see the option of the lock code | 14:11 |
| nander | I didn't even think my device would get stolen\ | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: what does "allow input while device is locked" mean? | 14:11 |
| nander | I'm never drunk | 14:11 |
| nander | I pretty much always keep my phone in my pocket | 14:11 |
| Acce | there's also that "prey" or whatever that let's you track your phone if it get's stolen and it's online | 14:11 |
| flanag | Yaniel: I don't remember that option? I just remember the option to check notifications while locked | 14:12 |
| nander | Which you probably have to install before it gets stolen | 14:12 |
| Acce | yep | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | nander: you describe behaviour for "never lost", not "never stolen" | 14:12 |
| Yaniel | ah, this "input" might also translate as "feeds" | 14:12 |
| nander | It just never slipped my mind that someone would steal my bag | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: able to see events? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | i don't recall | 14:13 |
| Yaniel | like show notification icons on the lockscreen? | 14:13 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: ^ | 14:13 |
| flanag | Yaniel: no, the swipe from bottom | 14:13 |
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| Bysmyyr | btw, why we can change settings of lock code without providing it? | 14:14 |
| flanag | that's available if you enable that option | 14:14 |
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| Yaniel | Bysmyyr: you can't | 14:14 |
| Yaniel | flanag: ah | 14:14 |
| Bysmyyr | Yaniel: yes I can, ofcourse I cannot change code put other settings | 14:14 |
| Bysmyyr | ooh, that comes after, not before :) | 14:15 |
| Yaniel | there are no settings visible if you haven't set a code | 14:15 |
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| Yaniel | and if you try to change them, it prompts you for the code once | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | (like sudo) | 14:16 |
| Bysmyyr | yes, I think like s60 where you have to provide code before changing | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | and leaving the settings page "drops" the permissions | 14:16 |
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| Yaniel | yeah it lets you open the dropdown menus | 14:16 |
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| Yaniel | but reverts if you aren't authenticated | 14:17 |
| Yaniel | or rather, does not change anything unless you provide it the code | 14:17 |
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| nander | I now have a 5 year old nokia fridge phone.. | 14:18 |
| nander | I miss my jolla | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | nander: cool :) | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | (sorry, somebody had to do it) | 14:18 |
| Yaniel | I see what you did there | 14:18 |
| nander | Damm, this is gonna cost a lot of money | 14:19 |
| nander | All the new cards.. | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | :( | 14:19 |
| nander | And in the Netherlands getting your ID stolen is a crime.. | 14:19 |
| nander | Stealing it is a different crime, but being unable to present your previous document is a crime | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | hopefully for the thief, and hopefully in most places in the world | 14:19 |
| nander | So you get a fine | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | that's quite bad | 14:20 |
| nander | No, the victim commits a crime by allowing it to happen | 14:20 |
| Yaniel | nander: even if you have an equivalent document? say, passport | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, i guess it's also because there's area of abuse possible with selling your passport | 14:20 |
| nander | Which would be extremely stupid | 14:20 |
| Yaniel | hm yeah | 14:21 |
| nander | Selling your own identity | 14:21 |
| nander | For a thief, selling my ID would be great | 14:21 |
| nander | Especially given the fact that he has 6 different passes with my name on it | 14:21 |
| nander | Bank card, credit card, public transportation card, etc. | 14:21 |
| nander | He has it all | 14:21 |
| flanag | damn :/ | 14:21 |
| nander | Ok, it's all blocked, but still | 14:21 |
| nander | A goldmine for idenity thieves | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | nander: it's not exactly stupid, you can claim it got stolen.. | 14:22 |
| nander | And someone else uses your identity | 14:22 |
| nander | To vote, to get a loan etc. | 14:22 |
| nander | If they ever get into trouble, you get into trouble | 14:22 |
| nander | Because it's your identity | 14:22 |
| nander | To me, the fact that all those passes are gone is worse than losing my phone | 14:23 |
| nander | It costs roughly the same | 14:23 |
| nander | Well, the passes are ~300 I think | 14:23 |
| nander | I think the total damage is 800-900 euros | 14:24 |
| nander | Ha lol, I have a qwerty OTH on order, I think I'll try to cancel that one | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure somebody will buy it off you ;-) | 14:26 |
| nander | I don't think it's wise for me to buy a pricy phone | 14:26 |
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| Yaniel | no-win for you I guess | 14:33 |
| Yaniel | unless you can get all your stuff back | 14:33 |
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| chem|st | build-quality http://i.imgur.com/81R8qOq.jpg | 15:02 |
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| Plnt | chem|st: is that remote gsm trigger for explosives? | 15:03 |
| Plnt | ah, it is | 15:04 |
| CoderCandy | No, it's the new prototype jolla phone | 15:07 |
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| Yaniel | complete with prototype TOH | 15:07 |
| Waitee | finished product | 15:10 |
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| kimmoli | C4TOH ? | 15:13 |
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| Mnsu | trigger it by ssh'ing to the phone | 15:15 |
| Yaniel | so that's what the boom.service systemd service is for | 15:15 |
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| flanag | haha | 15:15 |
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| opuk | how does one copy google contacts to "local" contacts? I want the backup feature to include them | 19:21 |
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| zorael | phone slid off the table, screen is now cracked. :< | 20:56 |
| zorael | woe is me. | 20:56 |
| Acce | :( | 20:59 |
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| EYEA_ | Jolla )01!@ joy | 22:17 |
| petantik | Whoever updated Exchange integration in the last update I wish to sincerely thank them | 22:17 |
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| EYEA_ | Jolla )0i!@ | 23:21 |
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