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| mornfall | well, if there are, working network connectivity is not one of them... :P | 00:18 |
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| louisdk | I'm not the biggest fan of installing Google Play on my Jolla. On the other hand I need some updated Android apps that either not present in other stores (Yandex, M1 etc.) or broken/outdated. I just want to know to uninstall Google Play again if needed. | 00:24 |
| ljp | mornfall: what's the issue you are seeing? | 00:24 |
| mornfall | ljp: right now? striped wlan indicator, "connect to internet" spinning for a while not changing anything, disabling-enabling wifi + connect to internet made it work | 00:25 |
| mornfall | connections disappear all the time since 1.0.4 | 00:26 |
| mornfall | and they are pretty hard to get back | 00:26 |
| mornfall | wlan disappears once in a while, 3G sometimes can't stay up for more than a few minutes at a time | 00:27 |
| mornfall | manual connection usually works, but going back and forth in settings is sorta tedious :) | 00:27 |
| ljp | do you have bluetooth enabled as well? | 00:29 |
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| * pahartik runs "journalctl | grep "voice registration status is 1" | wc --lines" and gets "1021" as output | 04:13 | |
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| jussi | tbr: nice! | 04:55 |
| jussi | :D | 04:55 |
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| AL13N | mornfall: i had this too, the trick to get the saved connections back is to turn off wifi, restart connman service and close settings app, and then start settings app again, turn on wifi and connect to a wifi, then all the wifi will come back (they aren't seen, but they do still work) | 06:22 |
| AL13N | after i do this, it takes alot longer for the issue to happen again | 06:23 |
| AL13N | probably i could reboot for this too, but ah well | 06:23 |
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| mornfall | yeah, I have to reboot from time to time to get it unstuck | 06:32 |
| mornfall | not so cool | 06:33 |
| mornfall | oh, another recent mystery -- I got a missed call from a contact with no phone number | 06:33 |
| mornfall | (the contact did develop an empty phone field though, not sure how) | 06:33 |
| * mornfall wonders if jolla advertises gtalk voice presence? | 06:34 | |
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| Acce | it's alive! | 06:35 |
| chriadam | mornfall: what do you mean by "the contact did develop an empty phone field" ? | 06:35 |
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| mornfall | chriadam: I don't remember making one, and other google-imported contacts don't have any | 06:36 |
| mornfall | chriadam: so I assume it didn't have one before | 06:37 |
| chriadam | mornfall: so you're saying that a "Phone" detail shows up on the contact card, with no content in it? | 06:37 |
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| mornfall | it has a "Personal . Landline . Phone" item and "call" / "send sms" buttons in it, no phone number, and when I click one of them it says "invalid phone number" | 06:37 |
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| mornfall | it's also grown a "Personal . Address" field with "show on map" button and no other content, which opens maps with an empty search | 06:38 |
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| mornfall | ohh, and also an empty email field | 06:39 |
| mornfall | strange, pretty strange | 06:39 |
| chriadam | mornfall: do you have developer mode enabled on your device? | 06:39 |
| mornfall | sure | 06:39 |
| mornfall | you want the sqlite bits don't you? ;-) | 06:39 |
| chriadam | something like that, one sec | 06:40 |
| chriadam | `contacts-tool search <contactName>` to get the id of the aggregate contact and then `contacts-tool details <contactID>` | 06:41 |
| chriadam | you'll need to be devel-su or devel-su -p | 06:41 |
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| Venemo_j | it seems that the jolla extremely power efficient on wifi | 07:17 |
| ljp | \0/ | 07:17 |
| Venemo_j | but not at all when it comes to cellular data | 07:17 |
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| ljp | with wifi powered on too? | 07:19 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_j: +1 about inefficiency on data :( | 07:30 |
| Venemo_j | ljp: wifi powered off, cellular data on | 07:31 |
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| mornfall | Venemo_j: cellular data is hard | 07:39 |
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| mornfall | I think it cuts down battery life to about 1/3rd on a typical android phone... | 07:40 |
| mornfall | Seems to be in line with Jolla to me. | 07:40 |
| mornfall | (3 days on wifi, a day on cellular) | 07:40 |
| mornfall | makes you wonder if the tx is powered up all the time... | 07:41 |
| mornfall | (I can't imagine rx on cellular taking so much power) | 07:42 |
| Pnuu | I have cellular data always on, and I charge the phone every 2 or 3 nights | 07:42 |
| joonahoi | yeah, I'm running 3-4 days with 3g data always on, and wifi off that is: all the data transfer is done via mobile data | 07:42 |
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| mornfall | you are kidding me... how does that work? :) | 07:43 |
| mornfall | my 30 minute commute drains 10% | 07:43 |
| joonahoi | there must be something else eating up your battery | 07:43 |
| mornfall | admittedly, it drains a lot less when it's sitting idle on a desk not hopping between base stations at 150km/h... | 07:44 |
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| clau2 | haven't had a reboot in months, until latest update: once it just happened, no idea what caused it. second one was probably caused by camera app. it froze, then I got the dialog to close it, then phone rebooted. :( | 08:11 |
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| Venemo_j | mornfall, joonahoi, just having 3G data enabled isn't such a big problem. the trouble is when I also use IRC over the connection | 09:05 |
| roboro | hi all | 09:05 |
| Venemo_j | hi | 09:06 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: is it? | 09:06 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: maybe sleep states for rx/tx are bound together? | 09:07 |
| mornfall | oh wait | 09:07 |
| mornfall | TCP | 09:07 |
| mornfall | :D | 09:07 |
| roboro | it would be really nice if in the call-log the number that a contact actually called from was also displayed... some of my contacts have 3 or 4 numbers... so in the call log I can't tell if the call was made from the office, mobile, home number, 2nd mobile etc | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | together.* ? | 09:07 |
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| roboro | is there a tjc for this somewhere, or should I create a new one? | 09:08 |
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| flux | if someone wanted to get some experience on creating automatical classification for searching&eliminating duplicates, tjc would be a fine site to try :) | 09:09 |
| roboro | mmmm a few of them | 09:09 |
| stephg | roboro, thought I saw something similar | 09:09 |
| Venemo_j | mornfall: I dunno, maybe IRC just means too much activity and too little sleep for the device | 09:09 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: the actual problem is that every Rx'd packet needs to Tx the ack... | 09:10 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: and sending packets on 3G is a high-power matter | 09:10 |
| mornfall | maybe that's why WP8 does not allow TCP sockets in apps | 09:10 |
| Venemo_j | it allows afair | 09:11 |
| roboro | mmmm I may look at the code for this soon... looks like quite a few people have this issue | 09:11 |
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| mornfall | Venemo_j: http://www.cs.umass.edu/~arun/papers/TailEnder.pdf this is quite interesting | 09:14 |
| Venemo_j | mornfall: afair WP allows sockets but doesn't let you keep the connection while your app is in the background | 09:15 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: same thing :-) | 09:15 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: what good is a tcp connection when it's cut off every time the phone decides you go to sleep? | 09:16 |
| Venemo_j | mornfall: url gives a 404 | 09:16 |
| joonahoi | Venemo_j, mornfall: irc keeps sending heartbeats to determine if the connection is still up | 09:16 |
| mornfall | joonahoi: even if it didn't, most IRC sessions will see more or less continuous downstream | 09:17 |
| joonahoi | that's right | 09:17 |
| joonahoi | especially bigger channels like this | 09:17 |
| oh8gnz | nice option could be map app could be visible even if you have screen disable after x time | 09:17 |
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| joonahoi | most of my other channels are remnants of 90's with very little activity | 09:17 |
| mornfall | :-) | 09:18 |
| oh8gnz | so that it wouldn't lock / disable screen when using that app | 09:18 |
| oh8gnz | could be locked behind but not for that app | 09:18 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: so a killer app would probably be a passive irc client ;-) obviously needs some sort of a bouncer in the middle | 09:18 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: where you only send out acks once in a minute or something | 09:18 |
| mornfall | well, not necessarily if someone did some TCP hacking in the kernel so you could bunch up acks for a long while | 09:19 |
| joonahoi | irc server will disconnect you if you hold it too long | 09:20 |
| mornfall | the 12s tail probably means that irc keeps Tx on full power all the time | 09:20 |
| mornfall | joonahoi: that's usually 300s | 09:20 |
| mornfall | it's also more or less a non-issue with a bouncer in the middle | 09:20 |
| joonahoi | yeah | 09:20 |
| Venemo_j | actually | 09:20 |
| Venemo_j | recent enough linux kernel does support TCP corking | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: I think what you suggests is in line with a design flaw of TCP by which you can very easily cause DOS cheaply :) | 09:21 |
| mornfall | nowait + cork could do the trick, I suppose | 09:23 |
| pp_ | cork is actually pretty old | 09:23 |
| mornfall | yeah, seems so | 09:23 |
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| mornfall | the new thing is "autocorking" | 09:23 |
| Venemo_j | yepp | 09:24 |
| mornfall | „As currently implemented, there is a 200 millisecond ceiling on the time for which output is corked by TCP_CORK. If this ceiling is reached, then queued data is automatically transmitted.“ which is a problem though | 09:25 |
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| mornfall | either way, if jolla folks could exploit this to only power up Tx for 12s out of 60s unless you are actively transferring data, that could make 3G a lot more energy-affordable ;-) | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, there was the iphb stuff | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | moo wmarone | 09:28 |
| mornfall | apparently, you can shorten the 12s tail without breaking the protocol as well | 09:28 |
| mornfall | cutting down even more of the overhead | 09:29 |
| clau2 | Stskeeps: of course, I will add new stuff to tjc, as soon as I have a little time. | 09:29 |
| mornfall | (the tailender paper is ancient in mobile phone terms... maybe it's already done that way) | 09:30 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: does iphb relate to socket connections? | 09:31 |
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| Venemo_j | last time I checked it didn't | 09:32 |
| mornfall | what's iphb? | 09:32 |
| mornfall | oh | 09:33 |
| mornfall | IP HeartBeat :-) | 09:33 |
| mornfall | it uses netfilter | 09:35 |
| mornfall | that's kinda smart | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: there was something in fremantle kernels that let you delay TCP_KEEPALIVE packages | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | iphb.c | 09:35 |
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| mornfall | https://github.com/nemomobile/dsme/blob/master/modules/iphb.c | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'd love for somebody to resurrect that | 09:37 |
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| pp_ | https://github.com/ewust/forge_socket might let you do some evil tricks too :-) (tho probably not that useful for a generic user-space app that wants to save battery) | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=net/ipv4/netfilter/iphb.c;h=21112ea85f307c235f780bc2ba9dfae931d9b96e;hb=3a3263c5a914b531b6f0cce8fabd1b2a8705baa1 | 09:41 |
| pp_ | if you're talking to a bouncer of some sort might as well use a mosh-like protocol to talk to it | 09:42 |
| mornfall | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2013-06-16.log.html hh :-) | 09:44 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: clearly, the kernel module only holds up keepalives... | 09:45 |
| mornfall | that's far from good enough | 09:45 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: well, you *could* pay me to work on it ;P | 09:47 |
| mornfall | although I am not very fond of hacking the kernel | 09:48 |
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| Stskeeps | the real problem is portability i think | 09:48 |
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| mornfall | portability of what? | 09:49 |
| mornfall | the user-level code relying on the iphb interface? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | kernel side | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | ie, when we do a OS the last thing we want to do is to require extra kernel mdos ;) | 09:51 |
| eitzei | Hi, is it a known bug that when enabling wlan hotspot it makes brand new subnet? First 192.168.0.*, then 192.168.1.*, 192..., 192.168.8.*. After reboot wlan hotspot subnet starts from .0.* again. | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | mods | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | eitzei: that's new | 09:51 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: you could try to push it upstream | 09:51 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: there are all sorts of arcane netfilter modules | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | sure, and see it in android 8.0 ODM kernels | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:51 |
| Venemo_j | what's wrong with that? | 09:51 |
| w00t | that it effectively isn't usable until we're all ready to retire | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | nothing, just that intended effect takes a while :) | 09:52 |
| w00t | (slight exaggeration included) | 09:52 |
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| Venemo_j | until it comes to android, you could still include it in jolla kernel builds | 09:52 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: you have a policy of only using kernels released in Android? | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | mornfall: in practice when you go to an ODM they'll give you a reference hw design, along with android adaptation | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | say you'll like to use x11 or an upstream-only kernel and they'll ditch you | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:53 |
| Venemo_j | come on | 09:53 |
| Venemo_j | one small module shouldn't be that hard | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: that's what i thought initially until i started poking around on other devices | 09:54 |
| pp_ | if google pushed it :-) | 09:54 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: so that's why you use wayland/lipstick instead of the android UI stack! | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | as an example, standard kernel on nexus 4 doesn't even load modules | 09:54 |
| mornfall | and you need sailfish to run on those kernels? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | ideally | 09:55 |
| jukkar | eitzei: The issue with ip address pool should be fixed by this http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/commit/src?id=60ee35f0756f7f7d63bab5c5ea652efc67e475cf The fix can be found in ConnMan 1.17 or later | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: we had a choice between layering x11 on top of android gpu drivers or wayland | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | wayland was easier | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:55 |
| mornfall | android gpu drivers suck :\ | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least they're QA'ed and war tested.. | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | compared the hell i've seen on x11-egl stacks | 09:56 |
| * w00t twitches | 09:56 | |
| Venemo_j | hehe | 09:56 |
| mornfall | android phones aren't exactly renowned for stability :-) | 09:56 |
| mornfall | (re war testing) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but at least they hold up a UI decently | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:56 |
| * Stskeeps puts old prototypes on fire | 09:56 | |
| eitzei | jukkar: Thanks! | 09:57 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: i'm still pondering what i can put mine to use as.. | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: willitblend | 09:57 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: weaponry, or paperweights? | 09:57 |
| mornfall | I'm wondering when the intel graphics of mobile SoC's come around... | 09:57 |
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| Stskeeps | well | 09:58 |
| roboro | I put mine into a catapult... and shot it at a bunch of pigs outside | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | they put out a nice kit recently.. sec | 09:58 |
| Venemo_j | old jolla prototypes? | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, pre-qualcomm ones, they should just die in a fire.. | 09:58 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: it was even worse than qualcomm? impressive :P | 09:58 |
| Venemo_j | auction it off on ebay, there surely will be some mad collector paying a fortune for it | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.minnowboard.org/meet-minnowboard-max/ | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: arnold's tank also sounds like a good idea | 09:59 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: well, I didn't *literally* mean intel ;-) | 09:59 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: just the sort of experience you have with their GPUs on Linux | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:59 |
| mornfall | although an intel-powered smartphone would be an interesting deal I guess | 09:59 |
| stephg | mornfall, oh no not again ;) | 10:00 |
| mornfall | maybe they can chime in with something to compete against arm64 :) | 10:00 |
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| Venemo_j | mornfall: new geeksphone comes with intel hw | 10:00 |
| Acce | didn't intel make their own arm designs already | 10:01 |
| stephg | what was that Intel smartphone called, that the intel folks were doing their MeeGo stuff on? | 10:01 |
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| stephg | seem to remember it had 2000 in the name | 10:01 |
| Waitee | stephg: tizen is the os | 10:01 |
| Acce | > http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2013/10/29/exclusive-intel-opens-fabs-to-arm-chips/ | 10:01 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: looks cool, but those rounded corners! | 10:01 |
| pp_ | the aava mobile stuff? | 10:01 |
| stephg | Waitee, no this is waaay back when | 10:01 |
| Waitee | oh | 10:02 |
| Venemo_j | stephg: aava | 10:02 |
| stephg | that's it | 10:02 |
| stephg | no it was $2k wasn't it | 10:02 |
| mornfall | Venemo_j: so when do we see x86 sailfishos builds to run on it? ;-) | 10:02 |
| Venemo_j | mornfall: don't ask me | 10:03 |
| Venemo_j | but | 10:03 |
| Venemo_j | it's not even available yet | 10:03 |
| mornfall | (the emulator in the SDK is x86 IIRC, so at least it builds there I guess?) | 10:03 |
| Acce | I'm eager to see what monster intel will create with 22nm ARM.. or 14nm even | 10:05 |
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| Venemo_j | Acce: hehe | 10:06 |
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| Acce | on the other hand they're kicking a lot of people on the butt all over the world currently :) | 10:08 |
| mornfall | „A Geeksphone spokesperson also said it’s in talks with Canonical and Jolla, and could offer a choice of all four operating systems – Android, Firefox OS, Ubuntu Mobile, and Sailfish OS – on the Revolution.“ | 10:09 |
| ShadowJK | nice definition of "All four" :) | 10:12 |
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| ggabriel | mornfall: i'd probably get much more excited about a geeksphone running sailfish than nexus 4 | 10:13 |
| Quu | same | 10:14 |
| pp_ | battery life?-) | 10:14 |
| mornfall | well, geeksphone is something I'd be willing to buy I guess :) | 10:14 |
| mornfall | pp_: nobody knows | 10:14 |
| mornfall | it doesn't have the same prospects for say a hwkb otherhalf like jolla, but Lucy might be able to live with that (or no, I'll have to ask... if a sailfishos geekphone comes around, anyway) | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | well, it's almost as achievable as a unicorn tbh | 10:16 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: the kb toh you mean? | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | no, the geeksphone thing, given that it's intel | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | unless intel makes an effort | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | with drivers, i mean | 10:16 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: I don't really see a problem... android runs on it | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | fair enough | 10:16 |
| mornfall | so if sailfishos is supposed to run on android kernels, x86 shouldn't make all that much difference | 10:17 |
| mornfall | maybe if you wanted to use non-android gpu drivers, say | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | from this height, that sounds reasonable | 10:17 |
| mornfall | that'd take more effort | 10:17 |
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| ggabriel | ideally you want to kill the dependency with anything android, bu that requires industry maturity | 10:17 |
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| mornfall | I don't see what GPU is it packing... | 10:18 |
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| mornfall | powervr :-) SGX544 | 10:19 |
| mornfall | probably a slight upgrade from N900 | 10:20 |
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| mornfall | (but yes, it's nearly 4 years old now) | 10:21 |
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| ggabriel | not sure the gpu is one of my priorities in a smartphone tbh :) | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | i used to watch anime in the nokia 5800, then bought a projector for home and delayed any watching experience to there | 10:22 |
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| ggabriel | oh, gaming i guess | 10:22 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: well, it is the piece that determines what stack you can run on it | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | yup | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | i guess i mean i don't care if it's old | 10:23 |
| ggabriel | but if you play games, it could be a top criterion for a buy | 10:23 |
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| mornfall | not really... unless you count master of magic ;-) | 10:23 |
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| ggabriel | that's the dude running around and jumping, turning and all that, right? | 10:24 |
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| ggabriel | but, yeah, whatever, games are cool, good 'nuff gpu required i guess | 10:25 |
| Quu | "games are cool" (c) ggabriel 2014 | 10:26 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: nah, it's a 4X game from the 90s that I run in dosbox :) not on a phone, even | 10:26 |
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| mornfall | ggabriel: http://www.ibiblio.org/GameBytes/issue21/greviews/momrev03.gif this | 10:26 |
| ighea | I think I'm of the minority, but I prefer battery life on my mobile devices | 10:26 |
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| ighea | over other things | 10:26 |
| mornfall | ighea: battery life is only useful in full-day increments, and it's been a while since I saw a phone that you could reliably take out for 2 days of medium-heavy use | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | ighea: no, i'm with you | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: my n9 has been doing that quite well, the jolla matches it, i just use it more, especially as it's almost my main phone now and i play a lot with it | 10:28 |
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| Quu | jolla can do easily 2 days withouth any heavy usage | 10:28 |
| mornfall | well, firing up GPS for an hour or two is heavy, I guess :) | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: well, that's the next test... when jolla opens up paid applications and i get meerun | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | altho the n9 can last 2 days with ~4 hours of gps recording easily | 10:29 |
| mornfall | hmm, jogging with a brick the size of jolla sounds a bit unpleasant | 10:30 |
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| ggabriel | i'm sure i can just about hold it, bottle of water is more uncomfortable | 10:30 |
| Kiranos | sweating aint an issue? | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, i use it for running, cycling and skiing | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | why would it be? | 10:30 |
| Kiranos | holding it in the hand, atleast when I go out for a run, holding something it becomes pretty wet.. :) | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | oh, i guess not my case, but fair point | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | toh for running with a good grip :) | 10:31 |
| Kiranos | yea a jolla would probably fit better on the arm than n900 | 10:32 |
| Kiranos | just a toh with wristband sticking out :) | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | i'd want that other half to embrace the phone a bit better than the standard clip system | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | as you'd be attacing the least important part of the phone to your arm :) | 10:34 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: "embrace better"? I doubt that a toh becomes loose at its clips in such a case... a PC toh will break at its weak spot or the point of force without loosing the actual phone | 11:01 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: i wouldn't want to test that statement with my phone + running vibrations | 11:01 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: it wont come off at the clips | 11:03 |
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| chem|st | btw can anyone tell how scratchresistant the glas really is? I still have the factory protector on it, which is a bit worn now - mostly by a metal pin at the pocket of my jeans | 11:05 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: so far, so good | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | but haven't used it too much | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | admitedly, it has its own pocket | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | and it shared a backpack pocket with another phone and a plastic case | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | a couple of times | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | i didn't put the phone facing down the table (as in the video) just yet tho | 11:06 |
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| Quu | chem|st: nothing yet | 11:08 |
| stephg | chem|st, I have only one tiny scratch | 11:08 |
| Quu | have nothing to protect it | 11:08 |
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| Quu | aluminium frames are losing paint/coating tho | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | oh, the aluminium frames are a bit weird, yeah | 11:08 |
| stephg | after, what 4 1/2 months | 11:08 |
| stephg | always always in my pocket | 11:09 |
| stephg | so pretty good | 11:09 |
| Quu | yeah, same | 11:09 |
| stephg | Quu, you're right about the alu | 11:09 |
| Quu | yea, the corners look bit silly now | 11:09 |
| stephg | with the black TOH on the phone is actually a very very very deep purple ;) | 11:09 |
| chem|st | why the hell does it prioritize mdata over wifi? | 11:10 |
| Quu | hmmmmm, deep purplish TOH would be neat | 11:10 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: didn't happen to me... but i remmeber somebody mentioning that | 11:11 |
| chem|st | Quu: some dark green perleffect too^^ | 11:11 |
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| Quu | that too | 11:12 |
| Quu | gief all the possible colours now | 11:12 |
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| chem|st | one out of two times it does not connect to the wifi network... (tried 10 times) | 11:14 |
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| chem|st | Quu: I'd like to have a toh-box https://together.jolla.com/question/16307/rainbow-toh-boxes-ltd-edition/ | 11:15 |
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| pp_ | re tcp kernel hacks: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iyengar-minion-concept/?include_text=1 | 11:18 |
| stephg | chem|st, ditto | 11:18 |
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| stephg | silly joke with colleagues is that my TOH matches my tshirts | 11:19 |
| stephg | so I need more colours | 11:19 |
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| chem|st | now android networking is gone again | 11:28 |
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| chem|st | "invalid allowed orientation"... | 11:30 |
| chem|st | ah nice, the settings app had something to do with it... | 11:30 |
| chem|st | closing settings, stopping alien, starting alien, starting settings activate wifi worked... | 11:31 |
| chem|st | updated android apps do not show up in launcher anymore... | 11:34 |
| stephg | chem|st, yeah that's a thing | 11:35 |
| Quu | rebooting phone helps | 11:35 |
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| mornfall | chem|st: I wouldn't trust the toh clips to hold the phone in place either | 11:37 |
| mornfall | chem|st: almost all the weight is in the other part, so the clips will sustain huge stresses | 11:37 |
| mornfall | but unless you are a 100kg weightlifter, the phone's kinda big even for an armband :P | 11:38 |
| chem|st | mornfall: when you pull in the center of toh you tighten the clips in their position... | 11:39 |
| mornfall | chem|st: the problem is (again, unless you have huge arms) that you will be pulling at the edges | 11:39 |
| mornfall | that, or the whole thing is gonna be flimsy | 11:39 |
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| mornfall | there are very likely waistbands that are thin enough to be comfortable though... I guess? | 11:43 |
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| chem|st | mornfall: you only need a two-point connection to a toh to fixate, why would you pull the edges that way? | 11:44 |
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| mornfall | chem|st: because I think 2 points are too flimsy :-) if the phone bounces while running, that's like ultra-annoying | 11:46 |
| mornfall | you really want 4 | 11:46 |
| mornfall | (you can only tighten the bands on your arm so much before it becomes a problem, so they won't hold as securely as you'd like for a 2-point connection... IMHO, anyway) | 11:46 |
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| gabriel9|work | damn again reboot | 11:52 |
| gabriel9|work | :( | 11:53 |
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| chem|st | mornfall: so four... still, it should not be a problem | 11:53 |
| chem|st | gabriel9|work: hail! | 11:53 |
| gabriel9|work | come on Jolla fix this bug | 11:56 |
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| Venemo_j | my jolla never ever rebooted by itself | 12:00 |
| Eyea | Joll | 12:00 |
| Eyea | Joolla | 12:00 |
| Eyea | )01L@ | 12:00 |
| Quu | pls | 12:00 |
| Teme | really putting the value into the conversation there | 12:01 |
| gabriel9|work | strange thing is that sometimes after resboot battery is lov | 12:01 |
| Teme | Venemo_j: mine has a few times, but so few that it always surprises me if it happens :P | 12:01 |
| gabriel9|work | like 4% | 12:01 |
| gabriel9|work | but it was half full | 12:01 |
| gabriel9|work | is it something about connectors on battery? | 12:02 |
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| Pnuu | I'd guess more in the bookkeeping department | 12:02 |
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| ggabriel | may be a battery problem... i remember some folks had theirs swapped | 12:03 |
| Teme | at some point there were suspicions about some devices having faulty hardware for that monitors the battery leveles, don't know if it's real or not | 12:03 |
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| Venemo_j | gabriel9|work: I suspect that it is a hw defect of some sort | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | i'd suggest try to keep the battery topped up and see if it ever reboots itself | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | to rule things out/in at least | 12:08 |
| roboro | mmmm worked out a hacky workaround for the "missing numbers in call-log' problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/1355/display-contact-number-in-call-history/#post-id-37432 | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | ideally you want jolla care, but i konw that you are a special circumstances case :) | 12:08 |
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| Teme | anything that starts with "Okay folks... this is a complete hack... " is worth trying out | 12:10 |
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| roboro | :D | 12:10 |
| roboro | its my way of saying: I take no responsiblitiy | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | ok, folks, this is a complete hack: if you make me a sandwich... | 12:10 |
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| ggabriel | roboro: i thought that nobody took any responsibility even for commercial software ;) | 12:11 |
| roboro | lol | 12:11 |
| roboro | I love the fact that if you're feeling bold you mess with the UI a bit | 12:12 |
| gabriel9|work | i have phone for some time and it started to reboot 3 days ago | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | :/ | 12:13 |
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| roboro | did you feel bold and mess with the UI a bit? :P | 12:13 |
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| gabriel9|work | do not touch private parts of jolla :D | 12:14 |
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| * roboro no longer feels he is going to be able to complain about his jolla behaving badly... | 12:14 | |
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| Teme | soon your Jolla is being questioned "show us the row number where the bad man touched you" | 12:16 |
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| roboro | rofl | 12:16 |
| Venemo_j | hm | 12:16 |
| Venemo_j | ggabriel: I don't think the reboots have anything to do with battery charge. I violently discharge my jolla every day and it has never rebooted | 12:17 |
| bennypr0fane | hi, dòes anyone else have several conatcts ringing with different ringtones from the one set in settings, for no reason? i want the same ringtone for all contacts, and i sure didn't set this situation up | 12:18 |
| Venemo_j | bennypr0fane: have you reported it on together? | 12:19 |
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| bennypr0fane | i couldn't even find a way to use contact-specific ringtones. is there one and i just haven't found it? | 12:19 |
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| bennypr0fane | venemo_j no haven't checked if it's there | 12:20 |
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| bennypr0fane | i thought id ask here first in case its already a well-known issue | 12:21 |
| bennypr0fane | also tjc is very clunky to browse on the Jolla :-( | 12:22 |
| Venemo_j | there is a client app in the store | 12:23 |
| bennypr0fane | is there auto nick completion in Sf Irc app? | 12:23 |
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| Venemo_j | bennypr0fane: yes I use it right now | 12:23 |
| bennypr0fane | venemo_j imo that app is pretty pointless atm, it has no advantage over the browser | 12:24 |
| bennypr0fane | venemo_j how does it work nick auto completion? | 12:24 |
| Venemo_j | ok | 12:25 |
| Venemo_j | enter a 'v' and press the arrow button left to the textbox | 12:26 |
| Venemo_j | then you will get Venemo_j | 12:26 |
| Venemo_j | for example | 12:26 |
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| bennypr0fane | Venemo_j: ah that's awesome, didn't sew that button | 12:28 |
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| gabriel9|work | anyone tried to stream mp3 with Audio? | 12:30 |
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| Eyea | What is a good jolla droid app store | 12:38 |
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| Eyea | i have yandex,aptoid and amazon | 12:39 |
| Eyea | any others | 12:39 |
| Eyea | or even the google play | 12:39 |
| Eyea | foss - F-Droid is good | 12:40 |
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| fk_lx | for me openess is open collaboration in the code open areas | 12:46 |
| fk_lx | sorry wrong window | 12:47 |
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| ggabriel | <rant>some people want so much android... Y U NO buy an android???</rant> | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ggabriel: because preciousssss | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | stinky little androidses | 12:52 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: speaking about it, how do I get the updated android apps being visible in launcher again... | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: step 1: get a hammer | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | (but if you were serious, you're asking the wrong person ;-) ) | 12:58 |
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| minimec | chem|st: 'killall lipstick' doesn't work unfortunately, so --> reboot is the only solution I found to get these missing icons back... | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | isn't lipstick a service that you can restart with systemd? | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | it has restarted a few times after the last update for me at least | 13:00 |
| minimec | ggabriel: That is possible, as killing it will restart it again right away. | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | it should indeed | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | safer to issue a restart tho | 13:02 |
| minimec | I agree.. | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | actually, I think I tried when I broke my system but systemd wouldn't like it | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | then again, it was quite broken ;-) | 13:03 |
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| Acce | Eyea: 1 mobile | 13:05 |
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| mornfall | ggabriel: because -ENONATIVEAPP? :) | 13:07 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: also, even where a web app is available, the difference in bandwidth requirements is staggering (especially with how the sailfish browser "caches" things) | 13:09 |
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| mornfall | so yes, android *is* important, unless you have a few (tens? hundreds?) millions of $ stashed somewhere and you can pump it into native app development :-P | 13:10 |
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| ggabriel | mornfall: i guess my rant is towards folks wanting jolla to "officially" "support" "android stores" | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | so let's bring them on | 13:12 |
| mornfall | well, android stores are officially supported (not play though) | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | amazon, f-droid, aptoid, gplay, m$ android and sears-droid while we're at it | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | jolla only supports yandex | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | and any extra effort should be spent in nice htings like lte and so on | 13:14 |
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| mornfall | ggabriel: well, play would be a boon because so far I didn't find a single useful app anywhere else ;P | 13:14 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: but I don't care about official if it can be made to work without huge effort | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | ok, so then ok | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | you are ok because you go ahead with it | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, you couldn't have play without using every google service available | 13:15 |
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| ggabriel | at least jolla couldn't bundle it up | 13:16 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: what could, in theory, fly is that someone uploads an app that downloads the requisite APKs from the interwebs and sets up play from that | 13:16 |
| mornfall | makes you wonder if jolla could "come clean" if it was in harbour | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | interesting legal question :) | 13:18 |
| roboro | you mean like this: https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/google-play-installer-removed | 13:19 |
| roboro | that got removed becausxe of licensing terms | 13:20 |
| mornfall | roboro: you clearly can't bundle the APK with the app | 13:20 |
| roboro | yeah | 13:21 |
| roboro | even if you didn't include the APK... not sure that you would still conform to licensing | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | time to think outside the droid | 13:22 |
| roboro | indeed | 13:22 |
| mornfall | on the other hand, openrepos is just a tad bit paranoid... | 13:22 |
| roboro | less paranoid than harbour :) | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | but was it openrepos or was it somebody asking them? | 13:22 |
| mornfall | they could handle one DMCA takedown I'm sure | 13:22 |
| mornfall | „We do not want to loose openrepos as delivery channel...“ is what I meant. | 13:23 |
| roboro | personally... the quicker I can get away from any android apps the better | 13:23 |
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| roboro | currently the only one I am using actively is the yatse xbmc remote... and that is because it is a masterpiece of code | 13:23 |
| mornfall | roboro: the catch is that many of us won't ever be able to | 13:23 |
| roboro | even if not fully functional in dalvik | 13:24 |
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| mornfall | roboro: I like how alien dalvik got shortened to dalvik, which is incidentally the name of the google VM ;-) | 13:24 |
| roboro | :) | 13:25 |
| roboro | lazy | 13:25 |
| roboro | is there a wiki for android apps that people think they can never live without? | 13:26 |
| roboro | it might be a good place for bored sailfish devs to visit :) | 13:26 |
| mornfall | anyway, banks, transport companies and probably a myriad of other "app vendors" are not going to release native apps, ever | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | i can never live without the x-ray app | 13:26 |
| roboro | mmm trye | 13:27 |
| roboro | true even | 13:27 |
| mornfall | so you either cripple yourself or suck it up and use the android version | 13:27 |
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| ggabriel | i'd argue that i'd use airlines to save some paper | 13:27 |
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| ggabriel | websites are much better for transport in my experience | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | or the same | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | or a shell to a website, which is even funnier | 13:27 |
| roboro | and banking | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't do banking from my phone | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | i may do with the jolla if i manage to tunnel it through my home server | 13:28 |
| mornfall | not around here... yes, you can use the webs, but you'll need to upgrade your data plan :-) and never go to places with bad coverage | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | mind you - nokia public transport rocks | 13:28 |
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| ggabriel | only recently london's tfl got something out in the shape of a mobile web that is decent | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | and i say it rocks because it didn't matter how drunk one is, it still takes you home somehow ;-) | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | s/one is/one could be/ | 13:29 |
| mornfall | looking at windowsphone.com reviews, it's about 2/5 | 13:31 |
| roboro | ggabriel: /one could be/one should be/ | 13:32 |
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| mornfall | Partial routing: Brno, Prague | 13:34 |
| mornfall | so much for HERE :) | 13:34 |
| mornfall | also, it doesn't seem to do inter-city at all? | 13:34 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: banking on your phone with an app has the advantage that it's trivial to block the phone without compromising your ebanking as a whole | 13:36 |
| mornfall | (the other upside, QR payments!) | 13:37 |
| mornfall | I'm not sure how humanity survived without that so long. | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | it's too unsecure for my liking | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | but we had this discussion before | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | unsecure? insecure | 13:38 |
| mornfall | well, yes, it's insecure... :-) but security is goddamn expensive | 13:38 |
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| mornfall | (in the case of my bank account, insecurity might be actually cheaper :D) | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | it depends if you're a saver or not i think | 13:39 |
| mornfall | (even if things do go wrong) | 13:39 |
| mornfall | only if you keep your savings in a liquid account | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | sometimes thta's the only way | 13:40 |
| mornfall | accounts with online order access are for liquidity not for storing money | 13:40 |
| mornfall | easy enough (at least here) to get a locked down account with better interest for "cash" savings | 13:41 |
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| ggabriel | i guess that changs per country | 13:43 |
| mornfall | you can still get at the money within 24 or so hour delay, and only transfer it to your "normal" account, so that should cover most of your bases... | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | i may log in my bank account twice a month tops | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | then i use cards | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | or cash, nice untraceable cash | 13:43 |
| mornfall | meh cash | 13:43 |
| mornfall | I have one 10€ banknote :-) | 13:43 |
| mornfall | had for about a month | 13:43 |
| mornfall | cash is so 15th century | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | depends on the country | 13:44 |
| mornfall | :-) I guess | 13:44 |
| mornfall | lots of people still use cash here | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | but i'd rather cash 10x over an android application that accesses my money | 13:44 |
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| mornfall | mostly older people I suspect | 13:44 |
| roboro | we like to look at our queen as often as possible | 13:44 |
| mornfall | roboro: make her into a wallpaper on your phone! :-) | 13:45 |
| * roboro agrees with ggabriel | 13:45 | |
| mornfall | money is overrated | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | ok, that's common ground then ;-) | 13:45 |
| roboro | everything should be free... as in beer | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | wait, beer is free?! | 13:45 |
| roboro | heh | 13:45 |
| mornfall | roboro: where do you get this beer that things should be free as? | 13:45 |
| roboro | damn good question... perhaps that was phrased wrong :D | 13:47 |
| mornfall | and I clearly failed to buy beer | 13:47 |
| mornfall | somehow bought bread instead :( | 13:48 |
| roboro | you see... if we replaced money with beer... you would get paid in beer... so if you wanted to buy a beer you would pay for it with beer... which would make beer essentially free | 13:49 |
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| * roboro realizes there are many holes in that logic | 13:49 | |
| ggabriel | as many as bubbles in beer | 13:49 |
| roboro | do not trust code written by me | 13:49 |
| mornfall | I won't... what did you write? | 13:49 |
| mornfall | :P | 13:49 |
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| mornfall | I still have a bottle of red. | 13:49 |
| roboro | :D | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: an android application | 13:50 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: all of them I suppose | 13:50 |
| roboro | heh | 13:50 |
| mornfall | I could get wicked drunk instead of working. | 13:50 |
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| roboro | I get wicked drunk while working | 13:51 |
| roboro | hence the logic holes | 13:51 |
| Teme | i code java as a day job so being intoxicated while working is sort of given | 13:51 |
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| * roboro sympathizes... anyone who codes in java needs to be intoxicated | 13:52 | |
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| ggabriel | what if you have to code in php then? :) | 13:53 |
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| roboro | you can *code* in php? :P | 13:53 |
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| ggabriel | assume yes | 13:53 |
| * roboro prescribes heroin | 13:53 | |
| roboro | it numbs the pain | 13:54 |
| Teme | php coders are not allowed offices above the ground floor because of the inherent suicide risk | 13:54 |
| roboro | actually... last time I looked at php it looked pretty reasonable as a language | 13:54 |
| Teme | .. | 13:54 |
| roboro | mind you... I had been drinking | 13:55 |
| Acce | oh the excuses! | 13:55 |
| mornfall | roboro: and coding Java | 13:55 |
| mornfall | or was that Teme ? :-) I need that wine. | 13:55 |
| roboro | lol | 13:55 |
| mornfall | or coffee | 13:56 |
| Teme | but of course i meant i am intoxicated by the pure awesomeness of java while working on it;) | 13:56 |
| mornfall | and with how prudent I am, it'll probably be coffee | 13:56 |
| Acce | anyways, real programmers are language independent ;) | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | roboro: well... define "as a language" | 13:56 |
| mornfall | Acce: I tried that once. Twice actually. | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | magic methods/variables depending on what zend version you use | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | sounds really catastrophic to me | 13:56 |
| roboro | :D | 13:56 |
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| Acce | mornfall: it's the third time that tells the truth! | 13:57 |
| mornfall | Acce: Once in PHP and other time in Java. | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | admittedly, java works quite well considering the amount of frameworks one has to deal with | 13:57 |
| Teme | http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ | 13:57 |
| mornfall | Acce: oh, and Python too | 13:57 |
| Teme | that pretty much sums up what's wrong with php | 13:57 |
| mornfall | Acce: (python not very seriously though) | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | try magento, and you'll feel like programming java, but in php | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | python is cool | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | shame re memory mgmt and concurrency | 13:57 |
| Teme | java is actually not that bad if you can dodge the enterprisey pitfalls | 13:57 |
| mornfall | Teme: I'm a one-man C++ shop. :D I can't like Java on principle. | 13:58 |
| Teme | like adopting any and all frameworks / patterns that come and go | 13:58 |
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| Acce | I had to learn java the other month for some webstuff, not bad, but quite a dependency hell | 13:58 |
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| Teme | Acce: yeah the dependencies and build are usually more work on a project than the actual business rules :D | 13:59 |
| mornfall | Teme: quite incomplete, but not entirely un-representative, https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/mornfall (scroll down to the language thingy) | 14:00 |
| Acce | yeah.. no idea if some IDE's handle it well, I tried maven and gradle | 14:00 |
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| Teme | maven does a decent job | 14:00 |
| mornfall | (java is not included because the project tanked, luckily enough) | 14:01 |
| Teme | :D | 14:01 |
| mornfall | most of perl isn't either... perl is nice ;P | 14:02 |
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| Acce | so, do you guys do mcu's? | 14:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Acce: some of us | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Acce: also ##electronics | 14:11 |
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| chem|st | minimec: yeah me too | 14:14 |
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| pawky | duh?... where did my google play store go? | 15:26 |
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| pawky | The icon has vanished from this earth.... | 15:27 |
| pawky | any tip how to get it back? | 15:27 |
| Raim | experienced this before, some Android app icons were missing. they came back after a reboot. | 15:27 |
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| pawky | just did a reboot... lets see.. | 15:30 |
| osaton | that happens when android app updates. reboot helps | 15:30 |
| pawky | ah.. there it is :-) | 15:31 |
| pawky | thank you | 15:31 |
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| pahartik | osaton: Is killing "lipstick" (supposedly so that it restarts) not enough? | 15:37 |
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| * pahartik did not like results of "killall -HUP lipstick", as all GUI applications fell down with it | 15:46 | |
| ggabriel | well, yeah | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | ever tried to kill X? :) | 15:47 |
| pahartik | ggabriel: So "lipstick" is display server...? | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | i guess you could call it that | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | looks after all the display part fwiw | 15:48 |
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| pahartik | ggabriel: At least it was quick to restart and processes under "screen" were not affected | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | very quick, yeah | 15:52 |
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| pawky | can android apps use NFC now? | 15:56 |
| pahartik | ggabriel: Would be better to restart launcher GUI, if I knew which process it is | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | pahartik: my knowledge doesn't go that far | 15:57 |
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| Kabouik | Hey there. Does anyone know if I can invite somebody *temporarily* to a Bitbucket project? I'm limited to 5 people, which is OK for me because the projects are not long term. But can I revoke access when done, and will I recover the "free" user? | 16:31 |
| Kabouik | Workaround would be to create 5 Bitbucket accounts and distribute them to people when needed, then change credentials, but not as practical | 16:31 |
| Kabouik | as simple* | 16:31 |
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| Kabouik | From the documentation, I can revoke access, but nothing says whether I recover the "free user" or not | 16:34 |
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| Kabouik | Oh, just noticed there is a #bitbucket, sorry for bothering here! | 16:36 |
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| kimmoli | Kabouik or maybe this better channel | 22:09 |
| kimmoli | just open terminal and systemctl stop tohkbd.service | 22:11 |
| Kabouik | I temporarily uninstalled the app | 22:12 |
| Kabouik | Let's reinstall it and disable the service right after | 22:12 |
| Kabouik | I only tried disabling THEN restarting it, but the problem persisted, hence the uninstall | 22:12 |
| kimmoli | disable tohkbd before installing toholed | 22:13 |
| kimmoli | stop/disable | 22:13 |
| Kabouik | By the way, funny thing, the OLED display is on since 1:34 AM of the lasttime I posted in the thread. But frozen at this time and battery level. :) | 22:13 |
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| kimmoli | yep , it might get "stuck" in some rare cases..., specially when both daemons running. | 22:15 |
| kimmoli | other cases should be already fixed (lilke too log sms) | 22:15 |
| Kabouik | ShouldI've reinstalled with tohkbd off | 22:15 |
| Kabouik | -Should | 22:16 |
| kimmoli | yep | 22:16 |
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| Kabouik | I'm not in any team on Bitbucket, could you invite me to the project so that I can get the update, if any? | 22:17 |
| kimmoli | i will soon, no new updates yet. | 22:17 |
| Kabouik | Al right | 22:18 |
| kimmoli | i will email new version releasenotes anyways | 22:18 |
| Kabouik | Great | 22:18 |
| Kabouik | Well Kimmoli, I must have to say you seem to have solved at least big part of the issue | 22:18 |
| Kabouik | The proximity sensor now works | 22:18 |
| Kabouik | Will wait to see if there are any reboots | 22:18 |
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| kimmoli | say ps -A | grep toh | 22:19 |
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| Kabouik | $ ps -A | grep toh | 22:19 |
| Kabouik | 95 ? 00:00:00 irq/331-toh-eve | 22:19 |
| Kabouik | 788 ? 00:00:00 tohd | 22:19 |
| Kabouik | 6188 ? 00:00:00 toholed | 22:19 |
| kimmoli | looks ok | 22:19 |
| Kabouik | Let's try Communi highlights | 22:20 |
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| kimmoli | Kabouik huhuu | 22:20 |
| kimmoli | did you update today to 0.3 | 22:20 |
| Kabouik | No I didn't update anything | 22:20 |
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| Kabouik | Seems I should check my emails | 22:20 |
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| kimmoli | mean communi.irc | 22:21 |
| Kabouik | Ah no, I've quite a few updates waiting | 22:21 |
| kimmoli | it got 0.3 today, and it contains "toholed support" | 22:21 |
| Kabouik | Awesome | 22:21 |
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| kimmoli | but hope it works now. i go to make some zZZzz now. plingpong me if any more issues, ok? | 22:22 |
| Kabouik | Can't wait for a folder support on the launcher screens, this billion of icons is really killing the Sailfish experience for me, I'm at a point where I don't even try to find the apps I would use if they were sorted correctly | 22:22 |
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| Kabouik | I will kimmoli, but this is gonna be a crazy month so most likely during week-ends or nights on TMO :P | 22:23 |
| kimmoli | what about good old windows, you have unused icons on your desktop -notification time to time? | 22:23 |
| Kabouik | No not so much, but just because I mostly put files on the Desktop, not shortcuts | 22:24 |
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| Kabouik | Test Kabouiolla | 22:25 |
| Kabouik | Awesome. | 22:25 |
| kimmoli | prm Kabouiolla | 22:27 |
| Kabouik | Good night Kimmo, thanks for the rapid solution | 22:27 |
| kimmoli | GN | 22:27 |
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