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| suosaaski | As we spoke about A7s performance a couple of days ago, this might be an interesting read: http://anandtech.com/show/7910/apples-cyclone-microarchitecture-detailed | 06:44 |
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| Pnuu | "So for now, Cyclone's performance is really used to exploit race to sleep and get the device into a low power state as quickly as possible" | 06:52 |
| Pnuu | moar cpu power to go to sleep faster | 06:52 |
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| ar | Pnuu: that's exactly what you want to do on mobile devices | 06:57 |
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| chem|st | how can I readout battery stats, is there a tool to read the chip's internals or anything? | 09:40 |
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| chem|st | I had a drop from 60->20% | 09:42 |
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| Pnuu | over night or sudden drop? | 09:42 |
| chem|st | over night... | 09:43 |
| Pnuu | sounds like the power drain bug | 09:43 |
| chem|st | when I went to sleep it was 59% | 09:43 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: the only wakeups were those msync every 30mins | 09:43 |
| chem|st | last charge was on thursday | 09:43 |
| Pnuu | did you use wifi hotspot? | 09:44 |
| chem|st | nope phone only | 09:44 |
| chem|st | nothing on | 09:44 |
| chem|st | I have no accounts active | 09:44 |
| chem|st | ofono is in the logs a bit too often for me | 09:45 |
| ShadowJK | has something vhanged in latest update reggarding the spurious "sim card was removed" messages? | 09:45 |
| ShadowJK | I just received a missed call, but can't call back, UI says emergency calls only | 09:45 |
| ShadowJK | yet inbound calls work.. | 09:46 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: something maybe related I had last week, I had to trigger the hardwarebutton at the simcard to get the modem to reset | 09:46 |
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| chem|st | ofono seemed to be unable to verify my pin, but it did not ask to enter it again | 09:47 |
| ShadowJK | oh hey, that worked | 09:47 |
| * ShadowJK slid simcard out and in | 09:47 | |
| chem|st | did it recognize the remove? | 09:48 |
| ShadowJK | no | 09:48 |
| chem|st | oh | 09:48 |
| chem|st | hmm mine did | 09:48 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: for the last few hours it is sitting at 20% | 09:49 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: it seems that the modemdrivers are borked | 09:50 |
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| chem|st | modem stalls at some point | 09:50 |
| chem|st | does the hardwarebtn turn of the modem when released? | 09:51 |
| chem|st | prbly SIM pwr... | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | that's not a hardware button, fwiw, it's a sim detector | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | and calling it a button might be a bit of a stretch.. | 09:54 |
| chem|st | switch? | 09:54 |
| ShadowJK | Yesterday the "sim card was removed" , please blow away your session etc message came up a a few times | 09:56 |
| ShadowJK | didn't do anything as I didn't have any spare time at all for reboots or card wiggling, and had forgotten about it by the time I got home :) | 09:56 |
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| ShadowJK | data was still working too | 09:57 |
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| ShadowJK | In other news, my coworker's jolla has dead touchscreen after a trip to optima to fix speaker.. he received a massive block of instructions on rndis etc how to reset his jolla's firmware.. He said he'll have to take a day off work to complete all the steps, heh :) | 10:01 |
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| ecloud_ | mjones: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,82337 | 11:07 |
| Nicd- | hehehe, freenode+ accounts | 11:07 |
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| Nicd- | http://blog.freenode.net/2014/04/googleplusfreenode/ | 11:09 |
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| ggabriel | freenode "integrated" with g+? srsly? | 11:11 |
| jussi | ggabriel: what date is it today? | 11:12 |
| Teme | what is this, i am only on freenode for this channeö | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | jussi: nooooo | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | lol | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | jussi: thanks :) | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | you ruined it | 11:12 |
| Teme | should i care about nickserv and such | 11:12 |
| jussi | Nicd-: I just couldnt do it... Im so sorry. | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | shame on you | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | I wanted to see ggabriel explode | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | man, i was awre of it this morning, but it kinda went away | 11:13 |
| jussi | its too painful to see people fallling for it | 11:13 |
| chem|st | Teme: some channels are protected to be joined by registered users only | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | i'm also disappointed i got only 1 birthday greeting | 11:13 |
| jussi | ggabriel: we don't beleive its your birthday... | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | jussi: and you'd do very well there, especially as i already said when it was | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | but pretty much everybody else knows it's 1 apr | 11:13 |
| Teme | chem|st: i take it that some users are pissed now but i can go on as i were :P | 11:14 |
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| aupo | Got a brilliant idea yesterday, though it unfortunately would likely require money and a brand to sell but anyhow: Make some kind of a TCG or MtG/Hearthstone-type card game or Pokemon-type or w/e type of game for Jolla where you get maybe 3-6 classes to choose from, BUT! By buying special game-TOHs you unlock additional classes and abilities. Imagine the money. | 11:18 |
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| suosaaski | aupo: or, instead of a 20e TOH just make it a 2e in app purchase so the users might actually pay for it :| | 11:25 |
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| aupo | suosaaski: TOH will really cost 20e to make? | 11:28 |
| Venemo | http://blog.freenode.net/2014/04/googleplusfreenode/ | 11:29 |
| aupo | But anyhow, if that is the case, then the TOHs will need to just be somewhat major expansions.... | 11:29 |
| Nichope | aupo: the difficult thing is that in order for people to pay for it it should become a craze, some mainstream game to which a lot of people play (and people who don't play it feel the social pressure, and all that). And if you try to do it exclusive for Jolla, the task becomes extremelly difficult | 11:29 |
| aupo | Nichope: Yeah, indeed. | 11:29 |
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| aupo | That's the real reason why it's an infeasible idea. But a nice one still :) | 11:29 |
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| Acce | better yet, make a card slot in the TOH, in which you can input your playing cards to see the attack etc effects on your phone | 11:29 |
| Teme | imagine going to the movies and getting a complimentary TOH that's painted with a kickass poster and customizes your theme according to the movie | 11:29 |
| aupo | Acce: Nice one. | 11:29 |
| aupo | Teme: Winning. | 11:30 |
| Nichope | ggabriel: I don't want to say it explicitly but... Let's just say that I read the previous messages :) | 11:30 |
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| Nichope | Acce: I think that already happened with some game at nintendo, or something like that. Maybe the good thing would be a combination of both things: speaking to a company with already working physic cards, and do a kind of coordinate project of a virtual game about the cards, and if you buy the special TOH and read the cards you get them to your virtual game account, too (+some extra points or something). And TOH could come with an exclusive expansion | 11:36 |
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| Nichope | wow... was it too long to be fully sent? | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | "come with an exclusive expansion" | 11:38 |
| Nichope | an exclusive expansion pack or something, also valid for the physical game | 11:39 |
| Nichope | thanks Nicd- | 11:39 |
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| Sidde | When the led light keeps flashing red and it's black on the screen. And the power button has no effect | 11:52 |
| Sidde | what does the phone say? | 11:52 |
| Waitee | beep | 11:52 |
| Sidde | Is it kernel panic? | 11:52 |
| pettter | seems likely | 11:52 |
| Sidde | Then i would say that there is something fishy with the wifi driver | 11:53 |
| pettter | I seem to recall a shell being frozen too | 11:53 |
| pettter | Bugs!? In MY Jolla!? | 11:53 |
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| Sidde | pettter: bugs, w00t? | 11:54 |
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| spiiroin | Sidde: ui/lipstick is more or less stuck; if it is just busy, the screen will recover; if not, lipstick or whole device needs to be restarted | 11:56 |
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| Sidde | spiiroin: no recovery after about 15 minutes so i unplugged the battery | 11:58 |
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| spiiroin | Sidde: before pulling the battery: try to press power key down for 5 (or was it 7) seconds; if dsme is still running it will do shutdown even if ui side is fubar | 12:00 |
| Sidde | spiiroin: i pressed it in atleast 30 seconds | 12:01 |
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| Sidde | the phone suddenly did not want to connect to the wifi. and when i disabled wifi the UI froze, then turned black and then all this | 12:01 |
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| tjp | had a random shutdown again. Pressing the power button did nothing and I thought I'd just remove the battery as always but after about 10 minutes it had turned on by itself. Journalctl shows no messages today before the shutdown. The first line after it turned on reads "Apr 01 16:12:55 localhost DSME[620]: IPHB: alarm state from timed: powerup=1396409460, resume=1397205900" where the timestamps are my next clock and calendar events. Are they alwa | 13:43 |
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| tjp | also, any idea why there's nothing on the journalctl log between yesterday evening and 16:12 today? | 13:43 |
| Nicd- | tjp: cut at "are they alwa" | 13:43 |
| tjp | "Are they always diplayed or do they have something to do with the shutdown?" | 13:44 |
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| netzvieh | tjp: logs are saved in ram if you don't change it -> gone after reboot | 14:09 |
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| tjp | netzvieh: yeah, but my journald.conf already says Storage=persistent and yeasterday's logs are shown | 14:13 |
| tjp | yeasterday means baking! | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | tjp: at a power loss sometimes journal doesn't flush | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | it's a little unclear why that happens | 14:15 |
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| tjp | ok, my /var/log/journal seems to be empty as well. Shouldn't the logs be saved there if "Storage=persistent"? | 14:19 |
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| Turski | tjp: did you restart journald/device? | 14:28 |
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| tjp | Turski: I did | 14:30 |
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| Turski | tjp: and you actually have created /var/log/journal directory? | 14:32 |
| tjp | Turski: thanks for calling it a directory :D | 14:33 |
| Turski | -_- | 14:34 |
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| tjp | yeah, a directory seems to work a lot better than a file with the same name :D | 14:36 |
| tjp | Turski: thanks and sorry for the noise | 14:36 |
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| Turski | tjp: np | 14:39 |
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| ggabriel | <offtopic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg </offtopic> | 14:45 |
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| ggabriel | more love for this one btw? :) https://together.jolla.com/question/337/option-threaded-view-in-mail-app/ | 15:02 |
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| netzvieh | well I could make a huge list of features missing in the mail app :/ imap push, subscription to multiple folders, not loading pictures, plain text mails, full header view, customizable/multiple signatures, threaded view, only subject in list, search, mass forward. collapseable folders and some more | 16:44 |
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| chem|st | now I am unable to call a number... ofono messing with me again... | 17:09 |
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| chem|st | I have a change in signal... | 17:11 |
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| chem|st | ShadowJK: I am stuck again | 17:13 |
| pvanhoof | I took out battery, rebooted several times: my jolla keeps saying that it's trying to register to my mobile network. I can't make calls and i can't send smsses; anything i can do? | 17:16 |
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| chem|st | pvanhoof: remove the sim... | 17:21 |
| pvanhoof | tried that | 17:21 |
| chem|st | while on? | 17:22 |
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| pvanhoof | yes, just reinserted | 17:22 |
| chem|st | so much for SOON (TM)'s stable release! bitches... same shit like with ovi suite alpha testing... 10 days after I filed like 10 critical bugreports it went "release" | 17:23 |
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| chem|st | stop trying with the balmer peak! and don't call something stable if it is still beta | 17:24 |
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| * pvanhoof makes a backup... | 17:25 | |
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| pvanhoof | chem|st, this happens when i insert sim cart on dmesg: http://pastebin.com/2ktb4kqb | 17:29 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.2-9 released | 17:48 |
| * Morpog_PC checks changelog | 17:49 | |
| Morpog_PC | ahahaha :) | 17:49 |
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| chem|st | pvanhoof: I am unable to call... | 18:13 |
| chem|st | sms works | 18:13 |
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| chem|st | why is ofonod blinking? every time you do something it is checking the voice registration | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | toyed around with 4g by chance? | 18:18 |
| pvanhoof | chem|st, resetting device didn't help .. | 18:19 |
| pvanhoof | Guessing that's rma. /me tries with another phone | 18:19 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: nope | 18:21 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: not even thought about it | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so no radio switcher etc | 18:22 |
| chem|st | how do I restart the whole voice call stack from top to bottom? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | reboot should practically do it | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | modem gets reset | 18:23 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: nope, I used to be on 2G only setting for a week now, just now I tried what happens if I set 3G prefered | 18:23 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: it is the second time in 5 days now, something is locking up and it is not the modem, I can send sms, am connected etc so I doubt it is ofono this time, will try data | 18:25 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: it is only voice that is missing, data works too | 18:27 |
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| coderus | Vote for bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/37278/searchfield-losing-focus-when-placed-in-silicalistview-header/ | 18:28 |
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| AL13N | coderus: i hope you don't mind, i edited it for better english | 18:33 |
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| AL13N | coderus: you should doublecheck if the meaning is still the same | 18:34 |
| chem|st | http://pastebin.com/KhUSfC1K | 18:35 |
| coderus | AL13N: thanks :) | 18:36 |
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| pdanek1 | Is the battery status gonna be fixed next update? :O | 19:40 |
| pdanek1 | So often it shows way different % after reboot. | 19:40 |
| Waitee | what battery status? | 19:40 |
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| nickg_ | has anyone found a solution to the bug where the phone just turns itself off in the middle of a phone call yet? | 19:59 |
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| Tegu | nickg_: no other than a temporary fix (take battery out for 10 minutes if it keeps restarting all over again) | 20:01 |
| Tegu | and a shutdown happened also for me today right in the beginning of a call. not a reboot loop this time, though | 20:02 |
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| gabriel9 | how to remove items from SilicaListView | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | all items | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | i tried model.clear | 20:34 |
| gabriel9 | but that does not update interface | 20:34 |
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| nickg_ | Tegu: where did the 10 minute number that's always mentioned come from. Is 1 minute not enough? What about 10 seconds? | 20:36 |
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| stephg | nickg_, 1 minute isn't enough | 20:38 |
| Eztran | nickg_: From what's been said on this channel before, it's an attempt to ensure everything on the phone is completely dead/restarted, including power systems which may not reset for minutes after the battery's removed. | 20:39 |
| stephg | ^ that | 20:39 |
| stephg | anecdotally 2 minutes wasn't enough for me | 20:39 |
| stephg | (take battery out, put back in, phone spontaneously booted) | 20:39 |
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| nickg_ | I wonder if we could invent an Other Half with a piece of plastic which slides inbetween the battery and it's connector. That would beat taking it off all the time! | 20:54 |
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| Venemo | seems that 1st of April is not over yet: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/motif-on-wayland | 20:57 |
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| M4rtinK3 | Venemo: the American timezones are just getting started :) | 21:22 |
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