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| CoderCandy | That's it, my jolla will be sent to care. | 00:12 |
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| CoderCandy | Still having reboot problems. | 00:13 |
| CoderCandy | Battery out did not help after update :( | 00:13 |
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| Kiranos | Reilu-Kake: did you see any changes for you when you uninstalled calendar/email app? | 07:28 |
| Quu | höhö, kaketsu | 07:29 |
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| coderus | any mitakuuluu users with messages send/delivery issue here? | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | I had a couple of messages that never arrived | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | my wife's iOS client showed them as sent and read though | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | but it hasn't happened again | 08:41 |
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| jussi | nice fact of the day: after the update my brother in law has had no issues with reboots and is very happy with the phone! :) | 08:50 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: ^^ :) | 08:50 |
| oh8gnz_ | jussi: sounds nice | 08:50 |
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| oh8gnz | have you noticed that after NFC update touchscreen has been more sensitive? My cheek is all the time pushing "mute" etc. from screen | 08:51 |
| oh8gnz | before that update I haven't had such problems | 08:51 |
| jussi | oh8gnz: yeah, he had lots of issues prior to the update, but now everything is much better for him. | 08:52 |
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| Venemo_j | jussi: glad to hear that :) | 08:54 |
| jussi | Venemo_j: me too! :D | 08:54 |
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| ottulo | everything is working pretty smooth here too, the only issue is the increased battery drain :/ | 08:57 |
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| Bysmyyr | coderus: forward do not work | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | who here has reboot issues still? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | as in, jolla logo appears again | 09:01 |
| Bysmyyr | atleast before last update | 09:01 |
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| eitzei | I have reboot issues after the newest update. | 09:03 |
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| Stskeeps | eitzei: how often? | 09:04 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: my sister had twice some alike, her phone shutdown with "overheating" when she activated anything on the modem chip | 09:07 |
| eitzei | Stskeeps: Not on dailybasis, but maybe every other day. And there is multiple reboots then. For example yesterday I had 3 or 4 reboots. I am not sure does the mobile data and Firefox have something to do with it because it happed two times in a row when I enabled mobile data and started firefox | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:07 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: device is not getting warm | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | eitzei: rebooted since last reboot? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | (rebooted since last unintended reboot) | 09:08 |
| eitzei | Stskeeps: Yes, after the fourth unintended. And then I took battery out for 5 minutes at least | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | next time an unintended reboot happens, do me a favour and cat /proc/cmdline as root/devel-su | 09:10 |
| eitzei | Ok, I'll. | 09:10 |
| Bysmyyr | I got btfs fulldisk problem yesterday, now it isfixed | 09:11 |
| Bysmyyr | btrfs* | 09:11 |
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| Venemo_j | Bysmyyr: what was the solution? | 09:15 |
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| locusf | Venemo_j: btrfs fi balance /home | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | after making some space | 09:21 |
| teve | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 09:22 |
| kimmoli | i had reboot-series few days ago, 3 reboots within couple of hours, and then nothing. All reboots happened abt few minutes after using the phone (it was just lying on the desk in front of me, ssh connected) | 09:22 |
| vanadis | oh hai | 09:25 |
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| vanadis | I'm unable to connect to wifi since the last update | 09:26 |
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| vanadis | I can connect to new Wifis, but all networks which have been connected once before the update are not working anymore. | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | -> together.? | 09:28 |
| vanadis | This includes my home wifi, which was added through GUI and my work wifi (EAP), which was added through CLI. | 09:29 |
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| oh8gnz | I've had problems with wifi all the time I've had the Jolla phone | 09:52 |
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| oh8gnz | disconnects, unable to get connection, slow like snail... | 09:53 |
| oh8gnz | many times moving to 3G makes it much better | 09:53 |
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| locusf | hmm my Jolla no longer rotates between portait and landscape, is there some setting for this? | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | locusf: yes, in settings->display (or something like that) | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | also, if it's in dynamic and you rotate it by tapping the screen, it won't rotate | 10:08 |
| locusf | ah | 10:09 |
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| inffy_ | oh8gnz: i think it is a known issue still | 10:09 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: you should invest some time in a bugreport app like debians reportbug: https://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/reportbug | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Kiranos: we actually have one | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | but it's not exposed to users | 10:13 |
| Kiranos | ah nice | 10:13 |
| Kiranos | its really useful to gather device info autmatically | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:14 |
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| Kiranos | Stskeeps: do you know the reason to have it inhouse only? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | Kiranos: not a terribly good one | 10:17 |
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| cvp | hi | 10:40 |
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| tjp | Stskeeps: Re: reboot issues. I've seen them a couple of times after Ohijärvi update as well. Pretty much the same symptoms as eitzei described. Removed the battery for 10 minutes after the update, but that seemed to work only temporarily. | 10:45 |
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| ottulo | uhh... I recharged my phone to 100% yesterday, it's been about 12 hours now and it's at 22% | 11:02 |
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| ottulo | I have only used it for a couple alarms and once to check something small, otherwise it's just the email syncing on 3G | 11:03 |
| Pnuu | have you used wlan at some point? | 11:04 |
| ottulo | not since a couple days ago, it is disabled now | 11:04 |
| ottulo | but since last reboot, yes | 11:04 |
| Pnuu | ok, seems to be a common factor with that power drain | 11:06 |
| ottulo | is the drain smaller when on wlan? | 11:06 |
| Pnuu | without touching wlan I have minimal power drain | 11:06 |
| ottulo | I've kept it off since before the update there used to be problems when switching between wlan and 3g (and I have faster connection through 3g :P) | 11:07 |
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| Pnuu | buyt if I enable it for a moment, it starts to drain 4 % / hour or so | 11:07 |
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| ottulo | ok... maybe I'll give it a reboot and keep wlan off, recharge and see if it still drains at the same rate | 11:07 |
| Pnuu | do that :-) | 11:07 |
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| ottulo | hungermeter shows 12 h avg as 475 mW right now, I remember it being smaller initially right after update - somewhere between 100-200 mW I think | 11:08 |
| ottulo | heh, after reboot it shows 29% battery | 11:10 |
| ottulo | I wonder if it reaches 100% if I keep rebooting? :P | 11:10 |
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| oh8gnz | ottulo, where did you get that hungermeter | 11:16 |
| oh8gnz | I could put it to my jolla too | 11:16 |
| oh8gnz | to see if thre's difference | 11:17 |
| Nicd- | jolla store | 11:17 |
| oh8gnz | hmm.. I tried to find such program few days ago | 11:17 |
| ottulo | yeah, was thinking it was probably from jolla store and not openrepos | 11:17 |
| Nicd- | it's called hunger meter | 11:17 |
| oh8gnz | loading | 11:17 |
| oh8gnz | thanks | 11:17 |
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| oh8gnz | while using that software it uses 840 mW (60s average) | 11:23 |
| Pnuu | set average to 60 s and turn off the display for a minute | 11:24 |
| oh8gnz | ok | 11:24 |
| oh8gnz | starting now ;) | 11:24 |
| Pnuu | hmm | 11:24 |
| Pnuu | it seems that it didn't run at all during that time :-P | 11:25 |
| Pnuu | with display on I get ~500 mW | 11:25 |
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| Nicd- | Pnuu: probably its timers didn't fire | 11:26 |
| Nicd- | because of power saving | 11:26 |
| oh8gnz | hmm.. | 11:26 |
| Pnuu | seems so | 11:26 |
| oh8gnz | interesting | 11:26 |
| oh8gnz | it was 420mW but it fast went to ~800mW | 11:27 |
| oh8gnz | when went back to program | 11:27 |
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| oh8gnz | now it was about 320 mW | 11:45 |
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| chem|st | is it normal that the auto-brightness is like adjusting up-down without light change and in flickering steps? | 11:56 |
| Pnuu | I've noticed that too sometimes | 11:56 |
| Pnuu | mainly in toilet cubicle ;-D | 11:56 |
| till | is it adjusting at all? :) | 11:56 |
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| chem|st | it changes when I am sitting on the couch when slightly turning the phone, away from my face and back to my face | 11:57 |
| till | what is your brightness control set to? | 11:57 |
| chem|st | minimum | 11:57 |
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| chem|st | my couch is black so that might be high contrast to my face but well in a dimmed room it should not change much | 11:59 |
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| till | mine is set to 25%(?) and i hardly see any adjustment | 12:00 |
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| chem|st | till: yeah I did not recognize it for a while but sometimes it just hits you, onehanded on the couch I turn it slightly away to type on fb, wp or something, bright websites, and it adjustes each time I move it | 12:02 |
| till | on my n8 i can see it quite clearly | 12:03 |
| till | but on the jolla i never noticed any automatic change of brightness | 12:03 |
| aupo | Any Jolla-employees around? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | sort-of, but we don't give official answers here | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | what's up though? | 12:04 |
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| chem|st | till: it adjusted lower than you may set with the slider so I activated it... and thought that may save some battery but now as it adjusted so often it came to my mind that the auto-mode may eat the battery | 12:04 |
| till | :) | 12:05 |
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| thargor | Hi all, I'm currently not able to enable the developer mode. after ~70% of the activation bar the window closes and nothing happens... does anybody have an idea? | 12:09 |
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| netzvieh | well up 3 days, 18:10 doesn't look to bad :) and I'm still at 45% | 12:18 |
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| Pnuu | thargor: store works normally? | 12:20 |
| thargor | phuu yes | 12:20 |
| thargor | Pnuu sorry | 12:20 |
| thargor | I think a stable network connection is required to enable the developer mode, right? | 12:22 |
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| Pnuu | yes, as it get packages from jolla | 12:23 |
| Pnuu | gets | 12:23 |
| thargor | and thats the reason why I like to enable the developer mode, because my wifi is connected and not working as expected. my jolla is loosing the connection all the time (not loosing but not able to receive data) | 12:24 |
| oh8gnz | try using 3g | 12:24 |
| thargor | not working too... | 12:25 |
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| coderus | connect with usb cable to pc and share connection over rndis | 12:26 |
| coderus | ah | 12:26 |
| coderus | you should have developer mode already to do it... | 12:26 |
| * coderus sorry ._. | 12:26 | |
| thargor | I was just about to ask this question ;-) | 12:27 |
| thargor | I only get the 3G sign with an exclamation mark (same as wifi | 12:28 |
| thargor | no idea? | 12:29 |
| thargor | is there a possibility to get the rpm for developer mode? | 12:30 |
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| thargor | now I got the error (got a connection for some time) Problem while installation (jolla-developer-mode) | 12:34 |
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| thargor | when I select this message the store opens with the message (jolla-developer-mode not found) | 12:34 |
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| thargor | I'm able to install application from the store therefore could it be that there is a problem with the jolla-developer-mode package on the jolla servers? | 12:37 |
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| thargor | can someone check if he's able to enable developer mode? | 12:38 |
| * Teme is not going to touch it while it still works ._. | 12:39 | |
| Nightmare__ | deactivated and activated again: no problem | 12:40 |
| thargor | ok, then its a local problem (located on my phone) ;-( | 12:41 |
| thargor | or probably in front of the phone :-D | 12:42 |
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| Nightmare__ | or maybe my phone had that rpm somewhere in a cache | 12:43 |
| Acce | the problem with technology is that no amount of software or hardware can repair the user :P | 12:44 |
| thargor | true true Acce | 12:44 |
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| thargor | but then I've currently a communication issue with my device. Without developer mode its hard to judge if I'm wrong or if there's somewhere else a problem ;-) | 12:45 |
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| netzvieh | getting that rpm is possible | 12:48 |
| netzvieh | it has some depedencies though and I'm not sure which are already installed and which are not | 12:48 |
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| netzvieh | rpm without proper frontend is really a dependency hell | 12:51 |
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| thargor | yes, thats true | 12:54 |
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| thargor | do you know how the dependency handling is when you try to install the rpm via gui? | 12:54 |
| netzvieh | hmm I'm not sure | 12:55 |
| thargor | thats currently the only possibility I see without resetting the device. I tried to connect to e different wifi but no connection was possible (I think security settings in this case) | 12:55 |
| netzvieh | have you another phone to span up a wifi and tether? | 12:56 |
| thargor | I'll with another wifi later today... but would be interesting to find a solution for finding a root cause | 12:56 |
| netzvieh | *do you have | 12:56 |
| netzvieh | well the problem is default journald settings are not helping debugging | 12:57 |
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| netzvieh | I think it's just 1MB worth of logs it keeps | 12:57 |
| netzvieh | and that's not much | 12:57 |
| netzvieh | reminds me, I have to set that up again after I reset | 12:58 |
| thargor | but debugging on network layer should be a possibility because I think the problem is that my network connection is not stable | 12:58 |
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| netzvieh | https://gist.github.com/netzvieh/d553d9a461eb808ed51b that's just for the dev mode rpm. fingerterm and openssh are not installed before, and they have quite a lot of dependencies as well, so if the gui uses rpm and not pkcon thats bad | 13:01 |
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| Teme | my jolla just made the "message received beep" with no activity :( | 13:05 |
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| Plnt | Teme: isn't it related to this bug? https://together.jolla.com/question/35399/beep-is-played-in-messaging-instead-of-configured-sound/ .. but seems like something different probably | 13:07 |
| thargor | netzvieh only with rpm I think its almost impossible :-( | 13:08 |
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| Teme | Plnt: i did not receive any message whatsoever | 13:10 |
| thargor | but I found probably a bug which meets my behaviour (the blinking started before minutes ;-))"[BUG] Green led blinking, phone yammed" | 13:10 |
| Teme | the sound was as if i got a message on FB | 13:10 |
| netzvieh | thargor: well the rpm has a propietary license so I can't upload it anyway :/ | 13:11 |
| Teme | i could not give less of a f*** what the sounds is as long as it only beeps when i get a message :P | 13:11 |
| Teme | but scratching it off as a one time incident | 13:11 |
| thargor | netzvieh thanks for the help anyway... I hope I get the chance to dig a little bit deeper in this problem | 13:12 |
| netzvieh | thargor: no prolem :) but I think I'll build a meta rpm to see what's used in the gui | 13:14 |
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| Acce | Teme: I'm having that too | 13:26 |
| xmlich02 | Hi, my device turned off without obvious reason. http://pastebin.com/F1TnWwPz Stskeeps | 13:26 |
| Acce | mostly it's emails that don't appear in notifications | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | xmlich02: cat /proc/lastlog/* | 13:26 |
| Acce | when I look at the email program, there is new messages | 13:26 |
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| xmlich02 | Stskeeps, no such file or directory http://pastebin.com/P6NZFN8L | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | xmlich02: ok | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | xmlich02: i'm a bit puzzled since it looks like a controlled reboot | 13:27 |
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| xmlich02 | It just turned off. I had to turn it on manually | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 13:28 |
| pp_ | heh, mine seems to be abnormal :P (can't remember the last boot tho :-) ) | 13:30 |
| pp_ | out of battery, maybe | 13:31 |
| thargor | I just recognized that it could be that there is problem on provider side... very hard to isolate my issue :-( | 13:31 |
| xmlich02 | The device was connected in SDK mode. I was deploying new version of foursail app. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | xmlich02: over usb or wifi | 13:33 |
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| xmlich02 | usb | 13:34 |
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| CoderCandy | Okay, sent a mail to care@jolla.com | 13:39 |
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| Teme | Acce: only configured email is my Gmail and i can see from its webui that there a no new messages | 13:41 |
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| Teme | although i already had one mail that i received the notification from earlier in the morning, was too lazy to clear the notifications though | 13:42 |
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| Teme | and is the email sounds by default the same as message sound? | 13:42 |
| Acce | for me it seems to be | 13:42 |
| Teme | can't recall how it sounds to receive an email :P | 13:42 |
| Acce | me neither, I have the phone silenced almost always | 13:43 |
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| Acce | Maybe it plays the sound when refreshing the mailbox if you have unread mail there? | 13:50 |
| Acce | unread mail, which you already cleared notifications for | 13:50 |
| oh8gnz | Pnuu: atm 165 mW (12h avg) | 13:51 |
| CoderCandy | ... man care@jolla.com are fast! | 13:52 |
| Pnuu | oh8gnz: that's low :-) | 13:53 |
| CoderCandy | ... how am I supposed to test the reboot bug on wifi-only? | 13:54 |
| CoderCandy | I never use my jolla on wifi... | 13:54 |
| CoderCandy | I pretty much only use my jolla on 3G | 13:54 |
| Acce | my 24h avg is about 300mW :/ | 13:54 |
| CoderCandy | I guess I can watch netflix on the bathroom? | 13:54 |
| oh8gnz | Pnuu: i'm at work so usage is mostly idling and email bringing from two sources | 13:54 |
| oh8gnz | Pnuu: sometimes irc via terminal | 13:55 |
| CoderCandy | I really feel bad for Jolla about this reboot thing | 13:55 |
| CoderCandy | It's one of those baby-faults you just don't want. | 13:56 |
| oh8gnz | CoderCandy: reboot thing? what kind of reboot thing you have (maybe asked this before) | 13:56 |
| CoderCandy | Uhm, randomly shuts down and reboots? | 13:56 |
| CoderCandy | Like showing the jolla | 13:56 |
| CoderCandy | logo | 13:56 |
| netzvieh | well why do I have a average value for 168h when I just installed it an hour ago? oO | 13:57 |
| CoderCandy | oh8gnz: and yes I've tried to pull out the battery, and also after last update | 13:57 |
| CoderCandy | And I even tried to downgrade to 2.5 | 13:57 |
| CoderCandy | I think I have faulty hardware | 13:57 |
| CoderCandy | And I can live with some hardware bugs | 13:57 |
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| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: when did it last happen for you? | 13:57 |
| CoderCandy | Last night | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | rebooted since? | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | as in, turned off device, etc | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | if it has been up since, cat /proc/cmdline please | 13:58 |
| CoderCandy | hold on | 13:58 |
| CoderCandy | I need to be root... and my password is not touch-friendly | 13:59 |
| CoderCandy | okay | 13:59 |
| CoderCandy | I catted it | 13:59 |
| CoderCandy | I'll put the output to a file and upload it | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:00 |
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| CoderCandy | Stskeeps: http://hastebin.com/solijewiri.avrasm | 14:03 |
| CoderCandy | this link is probably better http://hastebin.com/raw/solijewiri | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm ok | 14:04 |
| CoderCandy | What are we looking at? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | puzzlement | 14:04 |
| CoderCandy | Huh? | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | just something i didn't expect to see there, i had expected to see something else :) | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 14:05 |
| CoderCandy | HAH! My phone is apparently not as everyone elses rebooting phone! I'm special! | 14:05 |
| Eztran | nah, he's someone else :) | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: you're on 1.0.4. right | 14:06 |
| CoderCandy | Stskeeps: yup | 14:06 |
| CoderCandy | But I had reboots on 2.5, 3.8 and now 4.20 | 14:07 |
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| oh8gnz | netzvieh: I think it will show real 168h avg after 168h but now it somekind multiplies the hour count for that | 14:12 |
| Teme | Acce: i did not clear the notification nor read the email | 14:13 |
| netzvieh | oh8gnz: ah I see, thanks | 14:13 |
| Teme | and i think the refresh rate is set to 30min and it only did the extra beep once | 14:13 |
| oh8gnz | same it is in here | 14:14 |
| oh8gnz | 165mW if I put it to 168h | 14:14 |
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| oh8gnz | so it gives ~5h avg as 168h and it gets more and more accurate after every hour | 14:15 |
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| Acce | Teme: hmm.. no idea what is going on then, but it definitely seems to be a bug | 14:27 |
| Teme | can't reproduce so won't complain further :) | 14:27 |
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| Mordae | hi | 15:38 |
| Mordae | I've had 4 spontaneous reboots in the past two days. | 15:39 |
| Mordae | In my case, Jolla does not always come up by itself, but needs to be started. | 15:40 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: irl bluetooth stuff, your reply, i assume you mean that you have several things ready-ish that need certification and need to find out what will be certified? | 15:40 |
| Mordae | Is there any way I can gather more data? Enable saving journal files? Something? | 15:41 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: something like that, yes | 15:42 |
| AL13N_work | ok thanks, we'll find out, though i'm sure this will take quite some time, so at least several months until we get to see it on-device | 15:44 |
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| Nightmare__ | are you talking about a certification by Bluetooth Special Interest Group? | 15:47 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: btw: the other day, i was thinking about upgrades and trusted software and such, and i think that you should really disable all repos, except the 5, and all 5 must be ok, before actually doing upgrades, this means QA is less work and upgrades will normally never fail, (after update, just re-enable the last state)... couple this with having trusted software and a QA rpm key for the apps... | 15:47 |
| flanag | Mordae: have you done the battery trick? | 15:47 |
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| AL13N_work | Sage-: for wifi, i'm gonna do some tests on other wifi APs, and see what happens... if i really get dups on all, then i'll contact care, but i would like to avoid it. | 15:49 |
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| AL13N_work | PS: Sage-: Aard: Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/36250/disable-mobile-only-when-wifi-is-actually-connected/ | 15:52 |
| AL13N_work | would be nice to have a confirmation if this is a connman feature... that way, we know if community can fix it itself | 15:53 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: this was introduced in update4 already | 15:53 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: hmm, in that case, it's not working quite well... | 15:54 |
| AL13N_work | i only had mobile data since update4, so | 15:55 |
| Aard | he repo stuff | 15:55 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: it seems mobile data disconnects when wifi is connected, (not when dhcp actually gives ip) | 15:55 |
| AL13N_work | ah | 15:56 |
| AL13N_work | the repo stuff | 15:56 |
| AL13N_work | gotcha | 15:56 |
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| CoderCandy | Let's see how long I can IRC now... | 16:01 |
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| Mordae | flanag: couple of times, yes | 16:14 |
| flanag | Mordae: so full 10 minutes? | 16:14 |
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| Mordae | flanag: sigh, will try, but the time you people advise is getting longer every day | 16:15 |
| Mordae | What's the official reason anyway? | 16:16 |
| flanag | what's the longest time you have kept the battery off earlier? | 16:16 |
| CoderCandy | Are we talking about reboot bug again? | 16:16 |
| flanag | yes | 16:16 |
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| Mordae | 5 minutes, hit power button several times during that time, removed SD and SIM just in case | 16:17 |
| CoderCandy | Ah, it's possible it won't help Mordae, it didn't work for me. | 16:17 |
| Mordae | We are two with the problem here. | 16:17 |
| CoderCandy | Me and Stskeeps did some debugging on my phone earlier, as far as I know we didn't come up with anythong conclusive. | 16:17 |
| Mordae | It started with last update (or new SIM) for me. | 16:18 |
| Mordae | Friend had the problem earlier and update helped him a bit. | 16:18 |
| CoderCandy | anything* | 16:18 |
| Eztran | the reboot problem seems to be one of the 'whack-a-mole' kinda bugs, get rid of it in some devices and it pops up in others. | 16:19 |
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| CoderCandy | Hehe, yeah | 16:19 |
| CoderCandy | Mordae: if you have the same problem as me (the same cause that is) the sim is not the problem. | 16:20 |
| flanag | I hope I'll never see a reboot again.. I had one reboot after the 1.0.4.20 update but then I did the battery trick and haven't seen a reboot again.. I just hope it really helped | 16:20 |
| CoderCandy | Since I reboot without activating sim-card and just use wifi. | 16:20 |
| CoderCandy | flanag: best of luck. | 16:20 |
| flanag | thanks | 16:20 |
| CoderCandy | Today I've had.... well over 10 reboots I think. | 16:21 |
| flanag | whaat | 16:21 |
| Eztran | Ouch! | 16:21 |
| Pnuu | Mordae: | 16:21 |
| Pnuu | 15:04 < Stskeeps> flanag: think for a moment about your phone - it's off, but wh | 16:21 |
| Pnuu | at listens to the power button? | 16:21 |
| Pnuu | 15:04 < Stskeeps> flanag: there's a chip handling power that's always on; and it has state of it's own | 16:21 |
| Pnuu | 15:04 < Stskeeps> 10 minutes makes sure that we try to kill that as well as we can | 16:21 |
| CoderCandy | Nah, it's good | 16:21 |
| CoderCandy | It helped with debugging | 16:21 |
| Eztran | at least it appeared when trying to debug it, I guess :) | 16:22 |
| CoderCandy | Basically, as soon as I activated wifi/3g reboit | 16:22 |
| CoderCandy | reboot | 16:22 |
| CoderCandy | When debug session was over I did battery trick and phone has been stable since. | 16:22 |
| flanag | CoderCandy: have you ever had the Jolla enter a boot loop which is solved by taking the other half off? | 16:22 |
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| Mordae | CoderCandy: It seems to me that it is somehow related to GSM, since I often get reboots in problematic spots. Bad signal, temporary BTS in front of the window, soon after wakeup. | 16:23 |
| CoderCandy | But yeah, it is only stable for a day, tops. | 16:23 |
| CoderCandy | Sometimes just a few hours. | 16:23 |
| CoderCandy | I still think it's a power consumption problem, I'll do some testing for it once I get home | 16:24 |
| CoderCandy | flanag: no, I've had boot loops but not OH related | 16:24 |
| CoderCandy | Mordae: not for me, I had reboots with inactive sim card. | 16:25 |
| CoderCandy | That is, didn't enter pin code and activated wifi. | 16:25 |
| Mordae | CoderCandy: I compiled Python3 on the phone, last release, looong before the last update. No crash at maxxed out power consumption. | 16:25 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm... | 16:25 |
| CoderCandy | Mordae: but the effects are cumulative | 16:26 |
| CoderCandy | That is, after first reboot, next one takes less to trigger | 16:26 |
| Sailor4711 | stskeeps: is it bootu _reason-code you were interested in, for devices booting randomly? | 16:26 |
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| Mordae | CoderCandy: It might be a coincidence: conditions stilm hold. Or not and it's an cummumative problem. | 16:28 |
| Mordae | still* | 16:28 |
| Sailor4711 | stskeeps: the one I have now is: 0xF67B9BEB | 16:28 |
| CoderCandy | Mordae: what would those conditions be? | 16:29 |
| Mordae | CoderCandy: Sigh. I'll try ten minutes for now and wait for more info. | 16:29 |
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| CoderCandy | Sailor4711: Stskeeps is having dinner :p | 16:29 |
| flanag | my reboots were always connected to connectivity in some way I think.. at some point the Jolla was repeatedly rebooting (after entering the PIN always again).. I skipped the pin, went to settings and enabled the SIM from there.. rebooted again.. then I just skipped the PIN again and waited for some time before trying again and then it worked | 16:29 |
| Mordae | CoderCandy: Probably temperature, radios around... | 16:30 |
| Mordae | CoderCandy: GSM signalling traffic... | 16:31 |
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| CoderCandy | Mordae: but I wasn't even using my sim-card. | 16:31 |
| CoderCandy | That's what is odd | 16:31 |
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| Mordae | I know, I have no idea how those chips work when without SIM. | 16:32 |
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| CoderCandy | Hmm, I'll do some more testing on that when I get home. | 16:33 |
| flanag | there might be two seperate issues, for some people it's the connectivity (maybe mostly fixed with 1.0.4.20?) and for some people it's something power related (they have been issuing new batteries from service) | 16:33 |
| CoderCandy | Flight mode disables the radio completely. | 16:33 |
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| Sailor4711 | stskeeps: no probs, enjoy :) | 16:33 |
| CoderCandy | So if it still occurs in flight mode the problem is not related to radio signals. | 16:34 |
| CoderCandy | flanag: possibly, I've been looking for how to get a new battery, for testing that theory. | 16:36 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 18:57 |
| m4g0g | guys, my jolla very often restarts and shutdons. As I understand it linked with network connections. Is it a way to fix it or may be I should reflesh/reinstall sailfish& | 18:58 |
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| tbr | m4g0g: did you try removing the battery for 10min? | 19:07 |
| m4g0g | yes | 19:07 |
| m4g0g | I did this 5 or 7 times for last 2 weeks | 19:07 |
| messerting | I also had this problem | 19:08 |
| tbr | fascinating, I never had that problem | 19:08 |
| messerting | I did remove battery for 10 min +, and upgraded | 19:08 |
| messerting | have not had the problem since | 19:08 |
| messerting | might be just lucky | 19:08 |
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| flanag | messerting: same here, no problems since those procedures | 19:09 |
| m4g0g | tbr: I never had this problem before last update | 19:09 |
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| Eztran | The latest update fixed some reboot issues, at least. Though, it appears, not all, and some people have reported reboots only since the update. | 19:09 |
| m4g0g | How I can back jolla to original state and do all (include upgrade) from very beginning? | 19:09 |
| * messerting thinks Jolla should provide some logger app, that picks up what is happening... | 19:09 | |
| m4g0g | it depends on network connections. If it low - reboot/halt comes | 19:10 |
| Morpog_ | messerting, it seems they are working on a crash reporter + ui for it | 19:10 |
| messerting | great | 19:11 |
| messerting | it would help a lot to find out what apps were running, active connections etc | 19:11 |
| messerting | btw, I think that after last update, I now have mobile data connection set to active (in settings), ie. automatic switching between wlan and mobile | 19:12 |
| messerting | that will increase the bill, but might be why the phone works properly | 19:13 |
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| Eztran | m4g0g: if you do want to do that factory reset, see https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ for instructions. | 19:13 |
| messerting | but I now find that my phone is on mobile data network when I am inside my own house. Probably because of poor wlan coverage | 19:14 |
| Eztran | though use option 1 rather than 5 as they do there, I think. | 19:14 |
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| m4g0g | So,should I after reset remove battery and after that update software or first of all update and then remove battery? | 19:43 |
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| Gordon` | Stskeeps: Hi, I’m having reboots. Can I paste my /proc/cmdline in /query? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | you can try | 20:27 |
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| Quu | do or do not, there is no try | 20:30 |
| Gordon` | done | 20:31 |
| Gordon` | Stskeeps: as usual, when I do not enter PIN code, there are no reboots | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:31 |
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| Nightmare__ | is someone of you using my TabaTimer app? | 20:36 |
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| m4g0g | does reset to defaults can help with reboots issue? | 20:43 |
| Gordon` | m4g0g: I don’t think so | 20:44 |
| Gordon` | I did that before the update, and the reboots came back immediately | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | basically | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | pull battery 10 mins, if they persist beyond that, talk to care | 20:44 |
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| CvP_ | nightmare, me not, but will test it :) | 20:48 |
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| Nightmare__ | CvP_, thx, i'm wondered because everyone is complaining in harbour about non existent sounds, but on my phone i have them | 21:19 |
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| CvP_ | nightmate.. | 21:32 |
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| Nightmare__ | ? | 21:36 |
| M4rtinK | LOL :) | 21:37 |
| M4rtinK | almost bash-worthy :) | 21:37 |
| CvP_ | nothtmare, if i have the app open, the Sound is good, of i have in Stand by, than the sound is gone exept all 15/20 seconds | 21:39 |
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| CvP_ | nightmare | 21:45 |
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| sharpneli | Prelink binary seems to be available in the repos but it doesn't currently do anything. Is this intentional? | 21:56 |
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| Nightmare__ | CvP_, thx, did you install harbour 1.2 or openrepos 1.3? | 22:01 |
| CvP_ | open | 22:01 |
| CvP_ | nightmare | 22:01 |
| Nightmare__ | h, | 22:01 |
| Nightmare__ | hm | 22:01 |
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| Nightmare__ | at least there is sound :D | 22:02 |
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| CvP_ | nightmare can you port hyperion to sailfish? :) | 22:05 |
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| Nightmare__ | what is it? :) | 22:07 |
| B0n0NL | Is there already a soundcloud app on Sailfish? | 22:08 |
| CvP_ | b0n0NL nope | 22:08 |
| B0n0NL | Read somthing about Musikloud but nothing seen yet. | 22:09 |
| B0n0NL | to bad | 22:09 |
| CvP_ | nightmare: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nl.hyperion.hyperionfree&hl=de | 22:10 |
| B0n0NL | just need to be patient.... | 22:10 |
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| sharpneli | Has strace package been removed from the target HW? | 22:11 |
| CvP_ | yeah the guy who release musicload sell it on meego, but in sailfish there is no payment | 22:11 |
| B0n0NL | yet... | 22:11 |
| B0n0NL | they really need to introduce it | 22:12 |
| Nightmare__ | oh thats cool, but no :D | 22:12 |
| B0n0NL | it will boost the store | 22:12 |
| B0n0NL | and the platform | 22:12 |
| CvP_ | nightmare :( pls | 22:12 |
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| Nightmare__ | would if i could :D | 22:13 |
| Nightmare__ | btw is there somewhere a german jolla/sailfish channel? | 22:14 |
| CvP_ | kein plan :( | 22:14 |
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| sharpneli | Why is strace been removed? I had to copy the strace from the SDK manually to the device | 22:22 |
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| sharpneli | And the rpm spec file is broken too it seems | 22:22 |
| sharpneli | Or I just suck at messing with em (dpkg ftw!) | 22:22 |
| stephg | sharpneli, removed? | 22:23 |
| stephg | [nemo@localhost ~]$ which strace | 22:23 |
| stephg | /usr/bin/strace | 22:23 |
| stephg | is in mer-tools iirc | 22:23 |
| sharpneli | stephg: [nemo@localhost ~]$ strace | 22:24 |
| sharpneli | -bash: strace: command not found | 22:24 |
| sharpneli | So mer-tools repo is not just enabled by default on the device anymore? | 22:24 |
| stephg | the user always had to enable it | 22:24 |
| stephg | (I think I'm right?) | 22:25 |
| sharpneli | I had it on my default before the previous factory reset | 22:25 |
| sharpneli | I thought it came with dev mode just like gdb and whatnot stuff | 22:25 |
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| B0n0NL | bye bye guys | 22:25 |
| B0n0NL | and girls | 22:26 |
| stephg | night B0n0NL | 22:26 |
| stephg | sharpneli, hang on a sec | 22:26 |
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