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| stephg | hm been having some very strange behaviour yesterday and today | 07:32 |
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| stephg | and I *think* they're fs related | 07:34 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 07:34 |
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| stephg | still investigating, give me 5 but the email client can't open one of the DBs, the store has some critical error and thinks I have no apps installed and it can't see any wifi | 07:35 |
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| stephg | did it yesterday and a reboot it's all working | 07:36 |
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| stephg | (but broke itself overnight | 07:36 |
| stephg | ) | 07:36 |
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| stephg | tweetian also can't open its' db | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like the btrfs issue | 07:37 |
| stephg | that's what my women's intuition was telling me ;) | 07:37 |
| stephg | only 'bad' thing that's happened recently is I got near to full (92%) | 07:37 |
| chriadam | stephg: what does ls -al ~/.qmf/ say? | 07:38 |
| stephg | oh they're all there: | 07:38 |
| stephg | [nemo@localhost ~]$ ls -al ~/.qmf/ | 07:38 |
| stephg | total 0 | 07:38 |
| stephg | drwx------ 1 nemo privileged 30 2013-12-17 09:37 . | 07:38 |
| stephg | drwxr-x--- 1 nemo nemo 626 2014-03-02 16:36 .. | 07:38 |
| stephg | drwxr-xr-x 1 nemo privileged 94 2014-03-24 07:23 database | 07:38 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 626 in .Other "usb-moded start arguments need to be adjustable" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626 | 07:38 |
| stephg | drwxr-xr-x 1 nemo privileged 857090 2014-03-24 04:35 mail | 07:38 |
| stephg | drwxr-xr-x 1 nemo privileged 771120 2014-03-24 06:53 tmp | 07:38 |
| * stephg gives Merbot a biscuit | 07:38 | |
| chriadam | what does ls -al ~ | grep qmf say? | 07:39 |
| chriadam | hopefully it's nemo.privileged too, not privileged.privileged | 07:39 |
| stephg | no, nemo:privileged | 07:39 |
| chriadam | phew. | 07:39 |
| stephg | 0700 | 07:39 |
| chriadam | uh | 07:39 |
| chriadam | well, ok, shouldn't matter, I guess. | 07:40 |
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| chriadam | sounds like btrfs indeed. | 07:40 |
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| stephg | let me get an sd card, get it in there and get journalctl going there and reboot | 07:41 |
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| stephg | it was fine after the reboot but if/when it breaks again will see if it logs anything | 07:41 |
| stephg | (unless anyone has any strings to look for in journalctl now) | 07:42 |
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| stephg | aaah | 07:43 |
| stephg | [nemo@localhost Pictures]$ pwd | 07:43 |
| stephg | /home/nemo/Pictures | 07:43 |
| stephg | [nemo@localhost Pictures]$ touch foo | 07:43 |
| stephg | touch: cannot touch `foo': No space left on device | 07:43 |
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| stephg | we'll that'll be it :) | 07:43 |
| jussi | thatll do it | 07:43 |
| chriadam | yup, btrfs. | 07:43 |
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| chriadam | do a quick devel-su -c rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Images/Facebook and then devel-su -c rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/avatars and you should have a bit more space. | 07:45 |
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| chriadam | but then, sadly, you'll need to do a btrfs rebalance | 07:45 |
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| stephg | cool ok, have only done 1 factory reset in it's life so that shouldn't be it, probably just full of media | 07:46 |
| stephg | ja | 07:46 |
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| Nicd- | stephg: I just had that too | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | stephg: when you get some space you can do 'btrfs fi balance /home' | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | it'll free up btrfs space | 07:52 |
| stephg | going to move all of my media to SD card since the u4 fixes for mtp and mountpoints etc. | 07:52 |
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| * Morpog_Jolla wonders if we get update5 end of march or mid april :) | 08:35 | |
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| Frye | Ok, eat this. I was hiking in Abisko last week. I thought of getting a dummy phone with me that would have enough battery for whole week. | 08:36 |
| Frye | Instead I took my Jolla out there and spare travel charger. | 08:36 |
| Frye | I had my Jolla on whole week, in the winter. | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.3.* or 1.0.4.* | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:37 |
| Frye | Although on flight mode while I was out of rach of cellular network. | 08:37 |
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| stephg | Frye, it's tasty ;) | 08:37 |
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| Frye | My friend had Lumia, and it died after first night eventhough it was completely turned off for the night. | 08:38 |
| Frye | I do have some nice pictures taken with my Jolla even from the last day ;-) | 08:39 |
| Jope_ | :-) | 08:39 |
| Jope_ | nic | 08:39 |
| Jope_ | e | 08:39 |
| Naranek | the first night is the hardest | 08:39 |
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| Frye | I slept 4 there in total | 08:39 |
| Frye | 2 in tent | 08:39 |
| Frye | first night in tent was -27C | 08:39 |
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| Nicd- | my Lumia 900 died every night whether I used it or not, it was terrible | 08:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Frye: out of curiousity, device was kept warm, or cold | 08:40 |
| Frye | Second night in tent was much warmer. About 10C, but the wind was 21+m/s :-) | 08:40 |
| Frye | But that has nothing to do with the batterly life... | 08:40 |
| Frye | Stskeeps, as warm as I could | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | k | 08:40 |
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| Frye | I do that with all electronics, Tehy just don't seem to like condenced water... | 08:42 |
| Frye | I also have little plastic bags that I use if I need to take cold device indoors. So it can warm up in sealed bag and not suck in all the moisture from the air. | 08:43 |
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| Stskeeps | but good to know that we at least work in cold conditions/extreme conditions | 08:43 |
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| Frye | Stskeeps, I should have some pictures for you guys from our cameraman, let's see ;-) | 08:43 |
| Frye | I'm waiting to see some drafts. | 08:44 |
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| Nicd- | show the pics taken with the jolla | 08:47 |
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| Frye | Nicd-, I'll try to get some linked | 08:48 |
| Frye | At work atm | 08:48 |
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| Frye | Is this visible for you guys? | 08:53 |
| Frye | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202804538850855&l=2dbefb4ece | 08:53 |
| Frye | This is our tent after the storm: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202804533050710&l=7963fb45a9 | 08:54 |
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| Pnuu | turning into igloos | 08:55 |
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| Frye | Yep | 08:55 |
| Frye | When the wind was at its worst we had to support the tent from inside. | 08:56 |
| Frye | because there was so much snow moving along that when the wind pressed the tent down the snow started to pile up. | 08:56 |
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| Frye | I heard there were train cars fallen off the track because of the storm too :-) | 08:57 |
| Frye | But this I could not verify from anywhere before we left back to Finland. | 08:57 |
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| Frye | Anyway from now on I will have a smartphone with me while I hike as a security device. Jolla showed it can take that. | 08:58 |
| Frye | Well one of the security devices :-) | 08:59 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 09:03 |
| ggabriel | ok, i'm still stuck with lipstick not starting | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | anybody knows what this means? | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | lipstick[985]: Could not open egl display | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | lipstick[985]: EGL error | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qa | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | | grep mesa | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | mesa-llvmpipe-libglapi | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | mesa-llvmpipe-libglapi-9.2.5+git1-1.2.3.armv7hl | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | any more? | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | nope | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | do i need the egl one? | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qa | grep libhybris-sbj-libEGL | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | libhybris-sbj-libEGL-0.0.0.35-10.9.1.jolla.armv7hl | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't know | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | what did you do? | 09:07 |
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| ggabriel | well, playing with the buteo caldav plugin, at some point i needed to install libGLESv2 (mesa driver) | 09:08 |
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| ggabriel | and i think things went downhill from there... | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | zypper said there was a dependency problem, I chose to ignore and install anyway (w/o dependencies) | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | but maybe that did something that it shouldn't have done | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | factory reset needed | 09:10 |
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| ggabriel | cool, thanks, not a problem btw, just wondering if it could be fixed | 09:10 |
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| Eztran | just an OOI really, but I can't be the only one wondering why buteo would require messing with libGLES? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps a temporarily broken hw adaptation repo | 09:13 |
| Eztran | ah, that would make more sense, I guess. Thanks. | 09:14 |
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| ggabriel | Eztran: i also tried to compile on device :) | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: that was exactly what i thought | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | i have a backup of the very first version of the jolla, but recovering hand picked lib files is a pain :) | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | and all i need to backup is... nothing, well perhaps tidings's url's so that i don't have to type them again | 09:15 |
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| sharpneli | Isn't there a concept of "provides" or something like it in rpm packets? | 09:38 |
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| sharpneli | So instead of having a dependency to mesa libEGL one could just say needs EGL and that's it, the actual lib providing it wouldn't matter. | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, we dep on libEGL.so.1 | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's just that sometimes, people install development packages on their device | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | and all hell breaks loose | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: fwiw, i've been trying a very pre-alpha script | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | and it's clear that you shouldn't compile on device | 09:39 |
| sharpneli | Oo nice. RP | 09:40 |
| sharpneli | Damn broken keyboard :p | 09:40 |
| sharpneli | RPM seems to have such a concept. Multiple different packages can provide a virtual package and then a single package can depend on that. | 09:41 |
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| Venemo_j | morning | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Venemo_j | 09:53 |
| Venemo_j | hey Stskeeps :) I hope you had a great weekend | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | it was thanks | 09:54 |
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| Nicd- | hehe, X is using 8 GB of memory on my work computer :P | 10:07 |
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| Acce | wow | 10:08 |
| leinir | let me guess - you're using top to measure that? ;) | 10:08 |
| Acce | multihead setup? | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | how do you do such things? :P | 10:09 |
| Nicd- | leinir: htop. probably something else using a lot of X resources? | 10:09 |
| Nicd- | Acce: 3 displays | 10:09 |
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| Venemo_j | Nicd-: srsly? | 10:09 |
| Nicd- | Venemo_j: yes | 10:12 |
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| Venemo_j | Nicd-: wow | 10:13 |
| w00t | Nicd-: install xrestop and take a look | 10:14 |
| AL13N_work | mostly for me Firefox takes a huge amount of memory and Virt-Manager | 10:14 |
| AL13N_work | when i kill firefox, some of the X resources always go down | 10:14 |
| Nicd- | w00t: yeah, compiz and gtk-window-decorator at the top | 10:19 |
| Nicd- | killing firefox (third on the list) didn't help much | 10:19 |
| Acce | are you sure it doesn't just have the X stuff preloaded? | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | Acce: well it's resident memory | 10:21 |
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| Venemo_j | killall -9 -1 Xorg | 10:24 |
| Venemo_j | hm | 10:25 |
| Venemo_j | teacher at my current lesson manages to talk about electronics in the most boring way possible | 10:26 |
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| zutto | Nicd-: how do you manage to get X to use 8gigs? | 10:26 |
| zutto | mine uses less than 50mb with 2 24" monitors | 10:27 |
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| Nicd- | zutto: I have no idea | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | gnome? kde? | 10:27 |
| Nicd- | I'm just using programs regularly, no overt amount of windows | 10:28 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: unity | 10:28 |
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| ggabriel | ah, ubuntu | 10:28 |
| zutto | :| | 10:28 |
| zutto | ubuntu and the spyware | 10:28 |
| zutto | fun times | 10:28 |
| Venemo_j | file a bugreport about unity maybe | 10:33 |
| Pnuu | unity sucks | 10:33 |
| Pnuu | first thing to get rid off | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | Pnuu: I will after this project | 10:33 |
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| Nicd- | tried Manjaro and Mint before going with the default Ubuntu because I had stuff to do :P | 10:35 |
| Acce | unity = unites your data to us! | 10:36 |
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| zutto | Nicd-: try opensuse | 10:36 |
| zutto | beats ubuntu any day, has all kinds of fancy services and things to make your life fun | 10:36 |
| sharpneli | Until you run into a yet another "Tested in Ubuntu X.Y" tool | 10:37 |
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| zutto | sharpneli: i have only found one software that was incompatible with opensuse.. it was fixed 2 hours after i noticed it and i didnt even tell anyone about it | 10:37 |
| zutto | fixed as in someone stabbed it to run on suse | 10:37 |
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| Nicd- | zutto: Arch would be my choice but I had to get something installed to actually get work done | 10:38 |
| zutto | opensuse should be your next choice to try <P | 10:38 |
| CvP_ | hi@all | 10:38 |
| zutto | if you get tumbleweed, you'll basicly get what arch does | 10:38 |
| sharpneli | I use Ubuntu at work and Arch at home. CBA to do anything fancy for a dualbooted testing environment. | 10:39 |
| Eztran | using Tumbleweed here, not perfect but hey, it's stable rolling. | 10:39 |
| sharpneli | It takes basically 1 afternoon to install Arch and that's it. Then it generally just Works(tm), until it doesn't. | 10:39 |
| zutto | http://susestudio.com/ theres also this | 10:39 |
| Venemo_j | I just use Fedora with Gnome 3 | 10:39 |
| svuorela | hmm... the black other half is quite ... aggressive in its attached ambience. | 10:40 |
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| CvP_ | svuorela... i love it :) | 10:41 |
| chem|st | o/ | 10:41 |
| CvP_ | \o | 10:42 |
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| stephg | o¬ | 10:42 |
| Pnuu | stephg: russian rulette? | 10:43 |
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| CvP_ | any new infos about Telegram on jolla or the sailchat app? | 10:45 |
| chem|st | sledges_: if you still need people volunteering, I have a galaxy tab2 7" (CM 10.1.x available) | 10:46 |
| Venemo_j | CvP_: what is the sailchat app? | 10:46 |
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| sledges_ | sure chem|st , the more the merrier | 10:46 |
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| Nicd- | sledges_: I have a Galaxy Gio if you need really low-end devices | 10:48 |
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| sledges_ | it's about what you need ;P | 10:52 |
| sledges_ | scratch-your-itch principle, freedom to community | 10:52 |
| Nicd- | well, it's of no use right now so I'd love to have Sailfish on it | 10:54 |
| Nicd- | and I can just throw it away if it happens to break | 10:54 |
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| stephg | Pnuu <o¬ ← teapot | 10:55 |
| zutto | looks more like one that you would use to water your plants ;l | 10:56 |
| jussi | hrm... I think I have been in finland too long... | 10:56 |
| jussi | Im starting to enjoy salmiakki!! o.O | 10:56 |
| zutto | but salmiakki is good | 10:56 |
| Pnuu | it sure is | 10:56 |
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| jussi | hehe | 10:57 |
| zutto | try turkish peppers next jussi | 10:57 |
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| jussi | zutto: Ive liked those for a long time | 10:57 |
| zutto | :P | 10:57 |
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| jussi | zutto: the bag of "tutti fruitti" mix (green one that actually has salmiakki in it) as actually all disappearing, instead of the black ones waiting for my wife to nom them... | 10:59 |
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| Nicd- | so sledges, can you put my name on some tester list or do I have to wait till more popular devices are tested first? | 11:04 |
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| sledges | Nicd-: there's no wait needed, but i don't have your email | 11:05 |
| sledges | neither chem|st's | 11:05 |
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| ggabriel | hard reset = power+volume up correct? | 11:33 |
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| ggabriel | maybe not :) | 11:46 |
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| stephg | ggabriel, thats recovery mode rather than hard reset? | 11:57 |
| stephg | isn't hard reset taking the battery out? :) | 11:57 |
| Pnuu | I guess he's looking for factory reset :-) | 11:58 |
| junnuvi | sledges: volunteers for what? Testing sailfish on non-jolla devices? If so count me in. I have Nexus7 | 11:59 |
| sledges | not testing, DIY porting | 12:00 |
| pp_ | finns might find this interesting: http://kampanja3.dna.fi/dataprepaid/ | 12:00 |
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| junnuvi | sledges: ah, ok. | 12:01 |
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| stephg | hmm my notifications is stuck in landscape | 12:03 |
| stephg | ... even if I force the ux to portrait | 12:04 |
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| Wnt | thanks pp_! Now I can get a working SIM-card for my old N9 as well :) | 12:06 |
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| jussi | pp_: thanks very much! | 12:13 |
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| Nicd- | oooh, thanks pp_ | 12:16 |
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| Reilu-Kake | Just a quick question, are you satisfied with Jolla battery life? It seems my Jolla drains battery quite quickly when im at work. Only with Mitakuuluu and Mediaplayer active. | 12:23 |
| Jope | your use case is quite heavy on power needs | 12:24 |
| Reilu-Kake | I have no Android support installed, so alien-dalvik is not the reason. I hoped that the latest update would have helped with my problem but no. | 12:24 |
| Reilu-Kake | I dont fiddle with my phone a lot when im at work, just listening to music. Not playing around and using it otherwise. | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | Reilu-Kake: we've gotten some reports of added battery drainage after 1.0.4.20 update, we're looking into them | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | Reilu-Kake: are you on wifi or 3g data there? | 12:26 |
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| Reilu-Kake | 3G data, wifi disabled. And these problems were present even before the update. | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:27 |
| Reilu-Kake | I was thinking about doing a factory reset to see if that would help. But haven't had the time to do that yet. | 12:27 |
| nahkiss | what do you consider as 'quickly draining' ? | 12:28 |
| Kiranos | test uninstall email/calendar app fro 24h and see if syncing is not the cause? | 12:28 |
| Kiranos | or has that been done perhaps | 12:28 |
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| Reilu-Kake | Well. 7am the battery is 100% and 15:30 the battery is about 20-30% | 12:28 |
| Kiranos | I would remove the apps that has sync function to see if it is better after that | 12:29 |
| Reilu-Kake | I havent tried uninstalling email or calendar. Will try that. | 12:29 |
| Teme | Reilu-Kake: i'm satisfied but after the 420 update i've seen a 10-20% drop compared to previous during a day of work | 12:29 |
| nahkiss | I lost about ~15% today for using spotify(android) app for an hour with full volume. | 12:29 |
| Teme | i've got now approx 55%-60% left when i hit home | 12:29 |
| Pnuu | Reilu-Kake: have you enabled wifi at all after the last boot? | 12:31 |
| Pnuu | for me that bug seems to trigger when I turn wifi on (3G is always on) | 12:31 |
| kimmoli | i have exchange "always up to date", + communi IRC on, wifi/3g switching all the time, and usually after 9 hours day about 65% left | 12:32 |
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| kimmoli | (wifi 3g switching caused by our office wifi not working in elevator ) | 12:32 |
| Reilu-Kake | Pnuu: I have enabled it yes. Im on wifi when I am at home. | 12:33 |
| Pnuu | Reilu-Kake: ok | 12:34 |
| Pnuu | try tomorrow to reboot after disabling wifi and see how the power consumption behaves | 12:34 |
| Pnuu | or today, even :-P | 12:34 |
| Reilu-Kake | Ok, will try. :) | 12:35 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: yeah, was looking for factory reset, and it's volume down+power (asks for PIN, which is cool) | 12:39 |
| Pnuu | PIN or security code? | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | sorry, security code | 12:41 |
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| ggabriel | i managed to close another question in tjc, so this factory reset wasn't for nothing ;-) | 12:46 |
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| mornfall | browser not responding is becoming a common sighting :\ | 12:55 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: my lipstick crashed again. I'm gonna send you the logs :) | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | okiedokie | 13:11 |
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| Turski | Zypper experts awake? My system got crapped on Ohijärvi update because of openrepos bash, and now zypper thinks i have both bash 4.3 and 3.2.51 installed. How can I safely fix the situation? | 13:18 |
| kor | zypper up doesn't fix it? | 13:19 |
| Turski | No update candidate for 'bash-1:4.3-0.armv7hl'. The highest available version is already installed. | 13:19 |
| Eztran | wasn't a version --dup supposed to solve it once you'd removed the repo? | 13:20 |
| pp_ | hmn, I'd grab the old rpm and rpm -Uvh --oldpackage it | 13:20 |
| Turski | Eztran: upgrade went succesfully but i still have bash 4.3 | 13:20 |
| pp_ | well, s/old/proper/ | 13:20 |
| Turski | also, zypper ve says: http://pastie.org/8964066 | 13:20 |
| Turski | wouldn't want to deinstall bash 4.3 if it doesn't install 3.2.51 over it :) | 13:21 |
| pp_ | so something like rpm -Uvh --oldpackage https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.0.4.20/jolla/armv7hl/core/armv7hl/bash-3.2.51-1.1.1.armv7hl.rpm | 13:21 |
| Turski | would sound like a brick | 13:21 |
| pp_ | (or curl it first) | 13:22 |
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| pp_ | or if zypper has a yum distro-sync equivalent, that too | 13:22 |
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| Yaniel | some upgrade-allow-downgrades? | 13:23 |
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| pp_ | zypper dup | 13:23 |
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| pp_ | according to some random wikipage | 13:23 |
| pp_ | sync package versions to whatever the repos currently enabled have, even if they're older | 13:24 |
| Turski | pp_: zypper dup does nothing | 13:24 |
| Turski | i'll try with rpm | 13:24 |
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| Turski | http://pastie.org/8964081 | 13:28 |
| Turski | not sure if force would be safe... | 13:28 |
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| Turski | i just want to crap my bash... | 13:29 |
| Turski | probably other who got problems on upgrade have this same situation | 13:30 |
| pp_ | hmn, probably is | 13:31 |
| pp_ | ;) | 13:32 |
| Turski | ik, problem solved | 13:32 |
| Turski | ok* | 13:32 |
| Turski | zypper in --force bash | 13:32 |
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| Turski | now it's at 3.2.51 and 4.3 is removed also from zypper's database | 13:33 |
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| ottulo | duh | 13:59 |
| ottulo | I just double-tapped on my agenda | 14:00 |
| ottulo | it didn't open | 14:00 |
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| Turski | if you are being annoyed by bash printing notices about ignored environment variables, see the workaround over there: https://together.jolla.com/question/35284/how-do-i-get-rid-of-notice-env-value-ignored-during-shell-login/#post-id-36034 | 14:21 |
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| ggabriel | thanks Turski :) | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | how does jolla miss this stuff, i have no idea | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | android's terminal never... oh, wait, android hasn't got a terminal :P | 14:26 |
| zutto | actually android does have terminal! | 14:26 |
| Nicd- | but then again, if it doesn't exist, it's impossible to have problems with it | 14:26 |
| zutto | you just need to use your computer to use it | 14:26 |
| Turski | ggabriel: it's not a bug, it's a valid notice | 14:26 |
| merlin1991 | I once typed exit on an android terminal | 14:26 |
| merlin1991 | that nukes it untill reboot | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | haha | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | well, i downloaded an emulator | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | not too impressed | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | doesn't come with ssh | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | for that you need another "app" | 14:27 |
| Turski | ggabriel: but i think that terminal launching thing really is a bug | 14:27 |
| Turski | (invoker stuff) | 14:27 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: actually, in an early android version everything you typed went into a shell... a root shell at that | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | Turski: yup, agree | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: i can only speak for latest version... ios was the same back in the day | 14:27 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: so you had to be careful not to type \nreboot\n or anything similar in an SMS :P | 14:27 |
| Turski | probably should create some kind of bug report to nemo-mobile on that | 14:27 |
| Turski | but i'm just too lazy | 14:28 |
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| ggabriel | effort to raise a bug is probably equal to the effort of fixing it | 14:28 |
| Turski | i just hoped sailors would have picked it already and fixed it | 14:28 |
| Turski | actually, i could just fix it and create pull request for a patch | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | i can understand why that's low priority tho | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | exactly | 14:29 |
| Turski | :) | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | i tried to git clone the mer code in the weekend | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | no luck :P | 14:29 |
| Turski | what's the problem? | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | couldn't find the git repository, or couldn't figure it out | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | mer says that you have to submit a pub key or something | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | just got too lazy | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | and i found the snippet i wanted elsewhere anyway | 14:30 |
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| ggabriel | challenge is... with very little documentation, sometimes you have to read code | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | and I don't think that that's currently easy | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | unless I missed something or mer's wiki missed something or both | 14:31 |
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| Turski | i just cloned nemomobile/mapplauncherd with no problems | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | nemo != mer I think | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | is mer in github? | 14:32 |
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| Turski | ggabriel: those are all on github | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | ok, so I missed that, you see :) | 14:32 |
| Turski | https://github.com/Merproject | 14:32 |
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| ggabriel | thanks, will look there next | 14:33 |
| Turski | umm... | 14:33 |
| lbt_ | I spent much of the weekend working on mer infra - including our git servers | 14:33 |
| Turski | probably wrong repo | 14:33 |
| lbt_ | we do use github | 14:33 |
| lbt_ | but we'll migrate back to mer's git servers at some point | 14:33 |
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| merlin1991 | ggabriel: sailfish is mer core + nemo middleware + silica ui | 14:33 |
| Turski | https://github.com/mer-packages ? | 14:33 |
| merlin1991 | and nemo is mer + nemo middleware + nemo ui | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | merlin1991: yeah, but the code bases should be separated | 14:33 |
| merlin1991 | so the middleware code base you have to find in the nemo repos | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | lbt: thanks... I noticed that infra is kind of wip anyway, no biggie, just litereally needed to see 2 cpp's | 14:34 |
| lbt | yeah - our existing git mechanism sucks though | 14:34 |
| lbt | you can't browse it | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | lbt: I noticed ;-) | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | tbh, I think I found what I wanted in a meego git repo :P | 14:35 |
| lbt | the next one will be better but will (I think) lose all upstream git history :/ | 14:35 |
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| merlin1991 | I recently installed gitlab on the company git server to get some ui and merge/pull issue tracker stuff | 14:35 |
| lbt | yep - we use that | 14:35 |
| lbt | git.merproject.org | 14:35 |
| merlin1991 | I couldn't get it to run smooth | 14:36 |
| merlin1991 | 2 developers a vm with 4 gigs of ram and 4 cpu cores, and the average page load still was in the 50 seconds range | 14:36 |
| merlin1991 | any vodoo tricks to get that rbuy beast to run faster? | 14:37 |
| merlin1991 | *ruby* | 14:37 |
| Turski | now i just need to figure out how to build mapplauncherd, then i need to figure out how to test it without crapping my device | 14:37 |
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| merlin1991 | but lbt how would you lose all upstream git history? | 14:39 |
| lbt | commit a squash | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | get rid of ruby? :P | 14:39 |
| lbt | ggabriel: ! | 14:39 |
| merlin1991 | ggabriel: the backend for gitlab is written in ruby :/ | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | sorry, i was being unhelpful | 14:39 |
| jussi | hehe | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | not a big fan of ruby | 14:40 |
| lbt | could be java... | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | i suppose the reason why you need this is to manage pull requests and so on | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | else git comes with its own web UI, similar to that of hg last time I checked | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | java would be a bit overkill for this purpose :) | 14:40 |
| merlin1991 | I only ever touched ruby once, when deploying this and it already made me hate ruby | 14:41 |
| Pnuu | surely a kill | 14:41 |
| lbt | yes - PRs and prettier UI - vendors using mer want to have an in-house process | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | merlin1991: I only know one person who loves ruby | 14:41 |
| merlin1991 | is there any way to prebuild ruby gems on a staging server when deploying ruby applications? | 14:41 |
| merlin1991 | I tried hard todo that, but in the end I gave up and installed gcc + dev packges on the server ... | 14:41 |
| lbt | ruby is a really good language IMHO ... but the ruby dev community doesn't play well with others | 14:42 |
| lbt | merlin1991: short answer, yes | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | merlin1991: sounds like perl/python for complex modules | 14:42 |
| merlin1991 | the worst bit was that the gems had dependencies on headers to build them but you have to know about those, or look at the build log like 20 times install another header package and wait another 10 mins | 14:43 |
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| merlin1991 | lbt: is the long answer maybe documented somehwere? | 14:43 |
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| ggabriel | if it's anythign like perl, then it really depends on the gem | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | but lbt seems to know a lot here ;-) | 14:43 |
| lbt | for mer/suse I use an approach which I'm quite pleased with - I build using bundler and then package the bundle | 14:44 |
| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=boss-bundle&project=home%3Albt%3Amermint | 14:44 |
| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=boss-bundle.spec&package=boss-bundle&project=home%3Albt%3Amermint&rev=0fd867042be37ebc1bb1ad0e9dfda14d | 14:45 |
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| lbt | BuildRequires: rubygem-bundler git gcc-c++ openssl-devel pkgconfig | 14:45 |
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| merlin1991 | hm, your process assumes the system ruby is the right version, in my case (debian server) the system ruby was too old for gitlab ... | 14:48 |
| lbt | in that case there's a ruby isolation solution | 14:48 |
| lbt | use that in the same way | 14:49 |
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| lbt | tbh their approach does have benefits - you do deploy services as black boxes | 14:50 |
| lbt | and ruby gems are as fluid as He | 14:50 |
| merlin1991 | I'll play around a bit more with gitlab, but the best bit was when I ran into a timeout creating a repository | 14:50 |
| lbt | I've found gitlab docs to be extremely reliable | 14:51 |
| merlin1991 | I really wonder why it is so slow on my system | 14:51 |
| lbt | I use a dedicated VM though | 14:51 |
| lbt | my git instance is 1 core VM with some RAM | 14:51 |
| lbt | gitlab | 14:51 |
| lbt | and it's quick | 14:51 |
| merlin1991 | the vm I outlined above runs just gitlab and it's incredibly slow | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | merlin1991: aws? | 14:52 |
| merlin1991 | server @ office | 14:52 |
| RaYmAn | make sure you have a new enough git installed as well - I've had issues before where having an old git resulted in any git operations being extremely slow | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | bad iostats perhaps? | 14:52 |
| lbt | anyhow ... images built ... testing ... o/ | 14:52 |
| merlin1991 | ggabriel: maybe but don't think so, the host this vm lives in basically has nothing todo | 14:53 |
| merlin1991 | I'll play around with different versions of git, maybe that will help | 14:54 |
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| ggabriel | merlin1991: while you are at it, just open a terminal and launch iostat -m /path/to/device 10 | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | a decent throughput for a server should be wall above 100MB/s | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | my home NAS does ~200MB/s read and most writes on a RAID 10 | 14:56 |
| merlin1991 | I'll keep that in mind, can't test atm though | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | just an idea tho | 14:57 |
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| merlin1991 | atm I have to adjust merge sort for a university assignment :D | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | :) | 14:57 |
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| Turski | issue opened for invoker problem :) | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | Turski: lol, are you feeling inspired today? :) | 14:58 |
| Turski | ggabriel: yeah | 14:59 |
| Turski | first issue on mapplauncherd for 4 months :P | 14:59 |
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| Turski | maybe we will see a fix for this some day | 15:00 |
| Turski | didn't bother figuring out how to build and test invoker so i didn't create a patch | 15:01 |
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| Kiranos | heh my ubuntu reqognizes my jolla as a camera :P | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | that's probably the mtp | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | so it thinks it's a camera because it can see pictures/videos | 15:33 |
| Kiranos | no files though when I browse | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | well, there's a little gap then ;-) | 15:33 |
| Kiranos | [599413.719095] usb 1-1.1: Product: Sailfish | 15:34 |
| Kiranos | [599413.719099] usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: Jolla | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | i managed to get mtp working with gentoo... but then there's ssh... :P | 15:34 |
| Kiranos | yea I'll wait and see with the soon to be relased new ubuntu | 15:34 |
| Kiranos | and the new kernel | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | well, mtp is userland | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | that and some GUI things | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | not sure it's kernel related | 15:35 |
| CoderCandy | What should I do if this update didn't fix reboot problems? | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | CoderCandy: take the battery for 10', if it still happens contact care@j.c | 15:36 |
| Pnuu | have you tried to battery-out-for-10-minutes -trick after the update? | 15:36 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, I just did the battery thing. | 15:36 |
| CoderCandy | I hope it works now | 15:36 |
| flanag | why did you ask then? | 15:37 |
| CoderCandy | I did battery-out-but-not-for-10-whole-minutes out yesterday though | 15:37 |
| CoderCandy | But it happened after that. | 15:37 |
| flanag | ok | 15:37 |
| flanag | After I did the battery trick, I haven't seen a reboot.. I hope it stays that way | 15:38 |
| CoderCandy | So now I've had it out the full 10, but I'm unsure if it'll work though. | 15:38 |
| flanag | how long did you have it out earlier? 1 minute? or just off and immediately back? | 15:38 |
| CoderCandy | Like 5-6 mins. | 15:39 |
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| Kiranos | Vendor extension ID: 0x00000006 | 15:39 |
| Kiranos | Vendor extension description: microsoft.com:1.0; microsoft.com/WMPPD:11.0; | 15:39 |
| Kiranos | :D | 15:39 |
| flanag | CoderCandy: well, we will see if it helps now | 15:39 |
| flanag | I hope so | 15:39 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, me too. | 15:40 |
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| Turski | i haven't had reboots after upgrade, earlier i had those about every day | 15:44 |
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| Turski | and i heard the battery-low -beep first time for few months :P | 15:45 |
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| tobiski | where can i see reason for latest reboot | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: /proc/cmdline gives you a hint | 15:53 |
| tobiski | latest update said the reboots should stop but | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: did you do the 10' battery out trick _after_ the update? | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | another way is to set journald to write persist, don't know by heart how to do that | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | also: define "reboot": do you see the jolla logo? | 15:54 |
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| tobiski | ggabriel: yesi did it | 15:56 |
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| ggabriel | tobiski: and you see the jolla logo in each reboot, yes? | 15:57 |
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| tobiski | ggabriel: yes | 16:00 |
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| ggabriel | tobiski: ok, sadly you have to write to care@j.c | 16:00 |
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| Turski | tobiski: tail /var/log/systemboot.log | 16:05 |
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| chem|st | tobiski: can you enter the recovery console via telnet? if yes try to recover your btrfs | 16:07 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... something weird's just happened | 16:53 |
| ggabriel | i'm running a freshly refreshed latest sailfish | 16:53 |
| ggabriel | and went to activate dev mode | 16:53 |
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| ggabriel | it asked me for a security code, but i haven't set any security code | 16:53 |
| ggabriel | i entered my previous security code and it went throug | 16:53 |
| ggabriel | +h | 16:53 |
| ggabriel | yeah, any other code fails | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | so not sure how it knows about the previous security code | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | magic? | 16:54 |
| phaeron | ggabriel: security code is not cleared with factory reset | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | so this is intended then | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's the 'be okay with loosing your phone in a bar' | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | cool | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | double locks are fine for me | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | ok, i'll try to break my jolla again :P | 16:56 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: I'm still not ok with losing it at all | 17:02 |
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| tobiski | chem|st: the phone booted up eventually on 20th something try | 17:19 |
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| dwangoAC | I should know this, but because I don't have a device yet, I'm curious if the package management scheme is locked in one way or the other (only .deb? only .rpm?) | 17:30 |
| dwangoAC | ipkg? :) | 17:30 |
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| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: Sailfish OS uses the rpm package format | 17:31 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: Exclusively, or can .deb be substituted? | 17:31 |
| dwangoAC | (I'm a big fan of the .deb package format) | 17:31 |
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| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: it is not 'locked'; you can install any custom rpm | 17:31 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: well, there is that deb to rpm hack I don't recall the name of | 17:32 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: Right, just curious if there is a movement to return to .deb / method to do so | 17:32 |
| dwangoAC | Alien or whatever it was? Or perhaps that's the other way around | 17:32 |
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| Venemo_j | but generally, there is no reason for not using rpm | 17:32 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: I would not do that. | 17:32 |
| dwangoAC | Other than dependency hell :) | 17:32 |
| dwangoAC | I'll have to give it another shot | 17:33 |
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| dwangoAC | My last experiences with .rpm's left me hurting | 17:33 |
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| dwangoAC | I'll keep an open mind and give it a fair chance. | 17:33 |
| dwangoAC | Need a phone first, which is a challenge here in the US. :) | 17:33 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: in my experience, creating an rpm is a lot less of a headache | 17:33 |
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| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: Creating it is less of a headache, using it is more of a headache in my experience. | 17:33 |
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| phdeswer | Venemo_j: Really!? rpm is packaging hell compared to deb. | 17:34 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: beware, jolla doesn't support USA frequencies! | 17:34 |
| dwangoAC | phdeswer: ++1 | 17:34 |
| Venemo_j | phdeswer: why? | 17:34 |
| Venemo_j | I never had any issues with it | 17:34 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: Understood, which is why I'm waiting for Stskeeps to get the Nexus 4 build | 17:34 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: I've had massive issues with dependancy problems when using .rpm's | 17:34 |
| Venemo_j | like what? | 17:34 |
| phdeswer | It's a pain to see what goes wrong when building a package, macros that are implemented in 1000's of differnent ways, ... | 17:35 |
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| Venemo_j | well | 17:35 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: Like the lats time I used CentOS in 2011 I tried to install basic things like vim and it couldn't find even the most basic dependencies | 17:35 |
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| Venemo_j | most of the problems I've seen people encounter in rpm arise from their.not reading the docs | 17:35 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: because that isn't rpm's task | 17:36 |
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| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: And that's fine, except I have yt to find a tool that works as well as apt-get | 17:36 |
| dwangoAC | *yet | 17:36 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: think of rpm as the alternative of dpkg. dpkg doesn't download dependencies either | 17:36 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: What does Jolla use for managing dependencies of .rpm's? | 17:36 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: I'm familiar with Yum, didn't have a great deal of faith in it though | 17:37 |
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| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: for repository management, there are several tools: yum, zypper, and so on. Jolla uses PackageKit | 17:37 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: so on the command line you have pkcon | 17:37 |
| phdeswer | Well the tools to install packages are different from making packages. | 17:37 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: So if I want to do the equivelant of apt-get install vim what would the command line be? | 17:37 |
| phdeswer | zypper install vim | 17:38 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: By the way, I *do* appreciate your assistance | 17:38 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: pkcon install vim | 17:38 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: I don't want to sound too stand-offish just because of past experiences :) | 17:38 |
| Venemo_j | phdeswer: jolla doesn't have zypper | 17:38 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: thank you for your open mind :) | 17:38 |
| phdeswer | Venemo_j: true. It is just that zypper is better than pkcon on the command line if you have root | 17:38 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: generall, there are some very good docs on the web. | 17:39 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: And pkcon install vim will find all dependancies generally as reliably as an apt-get would? If so, that'd solve my biggest hesitation of going to .rpm's | 17:39 |
| phdeswer | It does not corrupt the libzypp cache as easily as packagekit for starters | 17:39 |
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| dwangoAC | phdeswer: That... doesn't sound pleasant | 17:39 |
| Pnuu | vim? dependencies? | 17:39 |
| dwangoAC | Pnuu: Yeah, believe it or not :) | 17:39 |
| dwangoAC | Pnuu: Now, vi has nearly nothing | 17:39 |
| Pnuu | whoa | 17:39 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: the arch wiki has a page called pacman rosetta, and about creating rpms there are very good docs on the fedora wiki | 17:39 |
| dwangoAC | Pnuu: But Vim has a fair number, it's something like a 17 MB download | 17:39 |
| Venemo_j | phdeswer: don't scare dwangoAC | 17:40 |
| phdeswer | Anyway everybody has their own preferences and experiences. | 17:40 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: I'm far less interested in creating an .rpm and far more interested in installing them | 17:40 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: He's not scaring me | 17:40 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: He's providing anecdotal experience, which I take with the requisite grain of salt, and with no offense intended to phdeswer by that statement | 17:40 |
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| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: I'll be interested in creating .RPM files for the platform once I get used to actually using it :) | 17:41 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: sure, we can help with that too :) | 17:42 |
| dwangoAC | ...also, I realize that I just unintentionally started a holy war (by mentinoning both .deb and vim in the same conversation), and I applaud the channel for staying civil | 17:42 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: For the record, I'm OK with 2G speeds for data if it means I can get a phone that will work in the US | 17:43 |
| dwangoAC | Venemo_j: But it sounds like the better plan is to wait for Stskeeps to complete the Nexus 4 build | 17:43 |
| netzvieh | Venemo_j: there is zypper in the jolla repo ? | 17:44 |
| dwangoAC | (I'm on T-Mobile here in the US) | 17:44 |
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| Venemo_j | netzvieh: sorry, I don't know | 17:51 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: yeah, or move to EU ;) | 17:51 |
| netzvieh | dwangoAC: so basically that's your apt-get install vim with zypper: http://pastie.org/8964927 | 17:52 |
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| netzvieh | Venemo_j: bc you said jolla doesn't have zypper ;) it has | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | it has libzypp | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:54 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: about the 'holy war': I don't have anything against either package format. after all, they are both proven and working | 17:54 |
| netzvieh | dwangoAC: zypper even has your apt-cache search :) | 17:54 |
| Venemo_j | netzvieh: not by default | 17:54 |
| dwangoAC | netzvieh: I'll have to play around with that :) | 17:55 |
| netzvieh | Information for package zypper: | 17:55 |
| netzvieh | Repository: jolla | 17:55 |
| netzvieh | Name: zypper | 17:55 |
| netzvieh | Version: 1.8.3-1.1.8 | 17:55 |
| netzvieh | Arch: armv7hl | 17:55 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Hey, the man himself - any status update on a timeframe for a Nexus 4 / Galay SIII build? Still trying to decide which phone to get / how to get it / when to get it | 17:55 |
| netzvieh | with jolla being https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.4.20/jolla/armv7hl/ | 17:55 |
| Venemo_j | dwangoAC: see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman_Rosetta for more details | 17:56 |
| netzvieh | so yeah you have to install it but that's okay, isn't it? | 17:56 |
| Venemo_j | netzvieh: it wasn't installed by default last time I checked | 17:56 |
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| netzvieh | yep that's right, so we both were right and just meant different things | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | dwangoAC: nexus 4 will come first, then sgsiii; we've been trying out some release candidates today but ran into some difficulty | 17:58 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: OK, Nexus 4 is actually easier for me | 17:58 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: It just involves getting my wife upgraded to a different phone so I can take over her old one | 17:58 |
| dwangoAC | ...which involves money | 17:59 |
| dwangoAC | Anyone willing to sell me a Nexus 5 for Bitcoins? :) | 17:59 |
| Venemo_j | going to kettlebell course now, ttyl | 17:59 |
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| netzvieh | dwangoAC: if you want to play with zypper now you can download openSUSE, they are using it too | 18:16 |
| dwangoAC | netzvieh: OK | 18:16 |
| dwangoAC | netzvieh: I can throw it in a VM | 18:16 |
| netzvieh | yes | 18:16 |
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| attah | Is there any source of breakout boards for TOH-development? (and/or has anyone bothered making an eagle part) | 20:18 |
| Jope | kimmoli had a design for that | 20:20 |
| Jope | not sure if the design was freely available, probably? | 20:20 |
| Acce | attah: https://github.com/kimmoli/devaamoMyhalf | 20:20 |
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| Jope | just about to paste that | 20:21 |
| Jope | :-d | 20:21 |
| Jope | googled it up | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | haloo | 20:21 |
| Jope | halojaa. | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | i have eagle toh part ready, but license issues still open | 20:21 |
| attah | Cool :) | 20:22 |
| attah | hmm, yes.. licensing is no fun | 20:23 |
| Acce | kimmoli: you require a license from Jolla for sharing a part like that? but sharing a pcb design is ok? o.O | 20:23 |
| kimmoli | pcb design is done before community license | 20:24 |
| kimmoli | original | 20:24 |
| Yaniel | so do you need to think up *your* license or do you need one from Jolla? | 20:24 |
| kimmoli | i just would like to be 'safe' | 20:24 |
| kimmoli | as there is some limitations in community license about selling the product. | 20:25 |
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| attah | forgive me for being retarded.. but there are no pads showing up for the actual TOH connections.. or was that what you were talking about regarding the part? | 20:28 |
| Acce | the pads should be there, at least on the pcb | 20:29 |
| kimmoli | what you are looking at? | 20:29 |
| attah | .brd file | 20:30 |
| attah | all i see are position markers where the pads should be | 20:30 |
| Acce | have you the proper layers enabled? | 20:30 |
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| attah | no idea :) | 20:30 |
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| kimmoli | enable more layers | 20:31 |
| attah | i have the default layers | 20:31 |
| attah | allright | 20:31 |
| attah | "enable all the layers" | 20:31 |
| kimmoli | i have saved it with just few layers active | 20:31 |
| kimmoli | seemsso | 20:31 |
| attah | ah.. there we go :) | 20:32 |
| kimmoli | that design has just single pads for each connection. | 20:32 |
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| attah | Do you sell, or should one oshpark by oneself.. or other option? | 20:40 |
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| Acce | other option: get 10 boards from iteadstudio.com and share them to your friends too | 20:43 |
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| kimmoli | attah: my stock is empty. ask tbr | 20:44 |
| kimmoli | or JvD_ | 20:44 |
| kimmoli | 10 pcs from itead is about 11€ | 20:44 |
| kimmoli | + parts ofc | 20:45 |
| attah | that's pretty reasonable :) | 20:45 |
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| attah | but perhaps i should make my own with a microcontroller already attached.. decisions, decisions.. | 20:47 |
| kimmoli | i did like that devaamo thinner board, oshpark 1.6mm is little stiff | 20:47 |
| Acce | hmm, probably more versatile to make one of these dev boards and wire it up to some mcu dev board? | 20:48 |
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| kimmoli | depends what you are reaching... | 20:49 |
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| attah | yes probably.. but still worth a little contemplation.. | 20:50 |
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| Acce | well, if you are not short of money, you can get both I guess | 20:50 |
| attah | well, ultimate goal would be a 'scope TOH - but that is more up to my colleague than me wether that will fly or not | 20:50 |
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| attah | Well... one of the upsides of being a single engineer, lol | 20:51 |
| Acce | :P | 20:51 |
| kimmoli | :) ... gabotronics | 20:51 |
| attah | huh? | 20:52 |
| attah | oh.. | 20:52 |
| kimmoli | i would do scope-.toh on top of something like that, use USB (unfortunately) to transfer data, those apps are iirc based on Qt | 20:52 |
| kimmoli | if someone finlaises the usb-host support | 20:53 |
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| attah | yeah, that's one (good) possibility.. just settle on something existing and make a good app | 20:53 |
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| attah | but if all sampling and triggering is done on TOH.. a detailed enough representation of the waveform should be no problem to pass over the i2c.. | 20:55 |
| kimmoli | thats true | 20:56 |
| attah | and performance might actually be better.. | 20:56 |
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| cvp | special: you are online ? | 20:57 |
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| kimmoli | attah: have to have good i2c slave emulation on the mcu | 20:59 |
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| kimmoli | maybe just skip mcu and do it with fpga | 21:01 |
| attah | yeah.. but i bet we won't be the first.. some kind of memory emulation might even be enough | 21:01 |
| attah | i like the way you think | 21:01 |
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| kimmoli | machXO2 would be great for toh, it has hard-i2c and can be even configured over it | 21:07 |
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| attah | "#€%& I need a new computer :( | 21:08 |
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| kimmoli | i want 10-12" touchscreen to my car, and sailfish on it ... | 21:14 |
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| Acce | that's nice for ambition :) | 21:14 |
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| attah | shouln't be that hard i think.. there are a lot of ppl putting in nexus 7s in their cars | 21:15 |
| aranea | Hi. Is there any way to obtain a list of sent SMS? | 21:15 |
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| Acce | have you guys got any experience on how to get some documents about chips like this: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/CSR-Bluethooth-Module_1167411689.html | 21:19 |
| Acce | that page provides zero usefull information... I can only confirm it's the module in my bluetooth kb by looking at the image | 21:20 |
| attah | Acce.. i have a few almost like that.. what aspects are you looking for? | 21:20 |
| attah | most of them look very similar | 21:20 |
| kimmoli | :) | 21:20 |
| Acce | yeah, but this has the components exactly in the same positions | 21:20 |
| kimmoli | https://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM20730 | 21:20 |
| kimmoli | you need info of the board, or the soc there? | 21:20 |
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| Acce | hmm.. chip info is also good, since it has info how it reads the keyboard matrix | 21:22 |
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| Acce | but pin layout for the module would be nice also.. | 21:23 |
| kimmoli | sometimes these have customized firmware inside. but not always. Broadcom is answering your calls only if you spend >$100k to their parts | 21:24 |
| Acce | the board has luckily test pads for rx and tx, so I can easily interface with the SoC via uart | 21:24 |
| Acce | kimmoli: urgh :D | 21:24 |
| Acce | I was hoping to get the scanned keycodes out of the module and pass them to i2c via some mcu.. but since the logic is in the SoC, that might be out of question | 21:26 |
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| Acce | might be easier to implement the matrix reading by myself | 21:26 |
| kimmoli | i had plans to toss the bt chip out, and replace it with some kbd-scanner-to-i2c | 21:26 |
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| kimmoli | i.e. TCA8424 or what it was on the dirkvl kbd | 21:27 |
| Acce | so there are chips for that, good to know! | 21:27 |
| Acce | hmm, but I need 8x20 scanning.. | 21:28 |
| crazy_imp | 160 keys? | 21:29 |
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| kimmoli | is this similar? http://product.wiki.gov.cn/2-4GHz-Serial-Port-Bluetooth-Module_1632989419.html | 21:31 |
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| Acce | crazy_imp: I'm not sure if it includes the fn+key and shift + key scanning too? | 21:32 |
| crazy_imp | that are modifiers | 21:33 |
| kimmoli | tca8424 can handle up to 6 keys simultaneously | 21:33 |
| crazy_imp | you don't wire an "extra set" of keys for this | 21:33 |
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| kimmoli | Acce: http://product.wiki.gov.cn/userup/530/737/607/607737530_267.jpg this picture seems to be most usefull there | 21:37 |
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| Acce | kimmoli: thanks, didn't notice it actually has the pinout written on the silk | 21:39 |
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| Acce | hmm.. there's sda and scl.. | 21:40 |
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| Acce | oh, it only works in master mode according to the bcm page | 21:43 |
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| zbenjamin | is there already a workaround for the batter issue_? | 21:49 |
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| stephg | evening | 22:06 |
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