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MSameerwhat's wrong with the native player?00:18
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intekulanMSameer: Nothing is wrong with it for me, except lacking in features00:35
MSameerwhat features are you looking for if I may ask? Please post them on together ;)00:38
intekulanMSameer: I have :D00:38
intekulanhttps://together.jolla.com/question/35658/feature-request-add-to-queue-long-press-on-albums-tracks-artists/00:38
MSameerthanks00:40
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M4rtinKintekulan: it is not that hard once one gets into it :)00:53
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Stskeepsgood morning07:54
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mikmamorning08:11
tobiskiHowdy08:15
tobiskiHad an interesting experience last night with y phone :P08:15
Stskeepsoh?08:15
tobiskiI was playing a game and then the phone alerted that Battery is empty and the device will close soon. It showed 0% left, but was still on08:16
Stskeepsthat.. hmm :P08:16
tobiskiI plugged in the charger and it started to charge but booted right after I had plugged it in08:16
Stskeepsthat shouldn't happen, it should shut down at 2%08:16
tobiskiafter I booted it up, the battery level was 45% :D08:16
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Stskeepsreport on together.* perhaps08:17
tobiskiye I could do that08:17
tobiskihttps://together.jolla.com/question/33919/battery-level-bug/08:18
tobiskisimilar kind of behaviour08:18
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Accehumm.. my Jolla is constantly trying to update the twitter feed, constantly failing.. maybe the cause of increased battery drain?08:38
StskeepsAcce: hmm08:39
StskeepsAcce: can i get you to make a trace?08:39
StskeepsAcce: curl -O http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/atrace.bin08:39
Stskeepschmod +x atrace.bin08:40
Stskeepsdevel-s08:40
Stskeepsdevel-su   , i mean08:40
Stskeeps./atrace -b 64000 -f -d -s -t 60 -z -d > atrace.trace.gz08:40
Stskeepswait 60 seconds until it finishes08:41
Stskeepsmail me atrace.trace.gz on carsten dot munk at jolla dot com08:41
Acceok, let me try it08:42
Stskeepsi collects what processes are scheduled, so08:42
mikmahttp://youtu.be/v0Vn22eRmxw08:43
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coderusany way to disable unlock by volume keys?08:52
Acceuhm.. is there no way to add any attachment to an email on Jolla?08:53
Stskeepsmight be easier to just scp it out08:53
vesurivscoderus you mean this? https://together.jolla.com/question/31460/bug-changing-volume-turns-on-display/08:54
coderusyes but main point is not a "visual feedback", but unlocking screen :)08:54
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AL13NStskeeps: the "untrusted software" thing, does this check the rpm signatures or something?09:01
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AL13Nif it does, we should accept the tjc rpm signature thing09:02
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Yanieltjc?09:05
Yaniel*tjc rpm signature thing09:06
StskeepsAL13N: i think it comes down to packagekit access and sideloading09:06
Stskeepsbut im not sure09:06
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AL13NStskeeps: you mean installing non-repos packages?09:28
AL13Niow: if you enable repositories, it won't fail?09:28
AL13NYaniel: Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/6941/harbour-app-rpms-to-be-signed-by-a-dedicated-key/09:29
AL13Nthe signing should reflect a proof of QA checks09:30
Yanielah09:30
Yanielthat makes sense09:30
AL13Nand untrusted software would just set rpm restrict to rpm keys09:30
Yaniel(or would make)09:31
Yanielwouldn't that actually be more or less the system symbian used then09:32
Yanielsimplified a lot though09:33
AL13Ni have no idea about symbian09:33
AL13Ni'm a distro contributor (Mageia) and we fail rpm installs that have no signature09:33
AL13N(by default)09:33
Yanieliirc symbian required packages to be signed09:34
StskeepsAcce: hrrm.. turn off screen and run another trace09:34
Stskeepsi has suspicion09:34
EztranYeah, Symbian did.09:34
Yanieland setting allowed installation sources to "all" just enabled installing self-signed packages09:34
AL13Ni would hope bad signatures would fail09:34
Yanielothers needed to be signed with a key that was accepted by the symbian foundation or so09:35
AL13Nbut missing signatures (or unrecognized) is what should be locked down by that option09:35
Yanielyeah09:36
Stskeepswe're not bringing back symbian style signing09:37
Stskeeps:P09:37
EztranSymbian prevented installs of any unsigned/unrecognised packages, I'd hope you don't go that far :)09:37
Eztranbut as an option, could work.09:37
YanielIMO having a harbour signature that is the only one allowed by default would be fine09:38
Stskeepsi think it's fair to say that if you accept your phone may get eaten from inside by self-duplicating nanobots, who cares what you do with the phone..09:38
Stskeeps:P09:38
Yanielat least until more (reasonably trustworthy) sailfish app stores start to appear09:39
Eztranwas thinking about something similar last night, actually. Assuming users who need this 'protection' will use it is a problem.09:39
EztranIt's actually often those with the least experience who will disable this kind of thing.09:39
StskeepsAcce: what browser do you have on your pc out of curiousity?09:39
Eztranbecause 'now I can do more!'.09:39
EztranI mean, this could just be an anecdotal thing, but people I know who've rooted their Android devices (for example) don't actually correlate with those who know what they're doing very well.09:40
Stskeepsit doesn't, no09:40
AcceStskeeps: i'll try it, and usually I use firefox09:41
StskeepsAcce: ok, then it properly doesn't render well.. sec09:41
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AcceStskeeps: same link as before, atrace.trace2.gz09:47
StskeepsAcce: thanks09:47
StskeepsAcce: this is with screen off -> ssh in, start trace?09:48
StskeepsAcce: .. why is lipstick waking up every 20 seconds09:49
Stskeepser, 20 ms09:49
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Acceahh, i did it from finger term and shut the screen rightaway09:53
Stskeepsah, ok, that helps in analysing09:53
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Morpoganyone can upvote if you can confirm please? https://together.jolla.com/question/35795/bug-map-settings-disabled/09:59
kimmoliMorpog: I can see that map app settings there...10:01
PeperJohnnyMorpog: have the same issue10:01
Morpoghmmm, maybe language dependent?10:02
Morpoggerman language here10:02
PeperJohnnyI'm having english10:02
Morpogkimmoli finnish?10:02
* tbr upvotes as it repros on his ENGLISH phone10:02
Plnti'm using english and i have map settings grayed out, too10:02
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Morpogdon't forget to upvote it10:07
Plntalready did :)10:07
Plntbut afaik there was only metric system selection, right?10:07
Morpogand imperial10:07
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kimmolii have both situation10:07
Plntah.. yeah and now i see imperial distance instead of metric10:07
Plnteven though i set it to metric before iirc10:07
Plnton 1.0.3.810:07
kimmoliboth are in Finnish. one show that map settings, another doesnt10:07
Morpogok, so not language dependent then10:07
Plnti'm guessing maybe some problem with map upgrade because after the system update jolla store showed that map application has update but cannot update it because it was overloaded by other people downloading 1.0.4.20 update10:07
Morpogkimmoli, on the one which still has it, did you enter it there once?10:07
Plnti tried the other day but there was no update anymore10:07
Morpogthere was a map update?10:07
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kimmolion that one where it is available, i have used maps in earlier versions. The one where it is not, has been factoryreseted and maps installed only after reached 1.0.4.2010:07
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Morpoghmm, i have used maps in 1.0.3.8 but it's gone10:07
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Morpogcan you enter maps settings, reboot phone and see if it'S still there kimmoli?10:07
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kimmolii hate reboots but one for you10:08
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Morpogthx :D10:08
Azogi have 1.0.2.20 and no settings for maps10:09
Azog1.0.4.20 even10:09
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kimmoliMorpog: still there10:09
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PnuuPlnt: yeah, I noticed that map update too10:11
StskeepsOK, i need other volunteers who has battery drain and developer mode on10:11
Stskeepsacce just found a funny occourence, i need to see if it happens on others10:12
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PlntPnuu: good that it wasn't only my delusion :)10:12
coderussorry i didnt see any battery drain for me10:12
PeperJohnnyStskeeps: battery drain as in how much percent?10:12
Pnuuand no map settings10:12
Stskeepswell, that it's worse with 1.0.4.*10:12
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Morpogthx, kimmoli10:13
coderusinstalled a lot of apps with background sync, android + google services in background, but over night it just 2-5%10:13
Morpogstill no easy reproducable way then :(10:13
coderuskimmoli: please pastebin find /usr/share/jolla-settings/ output10:14
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PeperJohnnyWell I'd say mine is just a bit worse and i was thinking that it's because of the working mail sync. but if i can help i will10:14
MorpogStskeeps, well battery drains a bit faster than before, but I guess thats because the synching now works well and doesn't wait hours when in deep sleep10:15
PnuuI can try to trigger the battery drain bug10:15
MorpogI guess settings for synch when not to sync lie on N9 were good. Sou yoou can stop synching over night or on weekend.10:16
Morpoglike on N910:16
kimmoliHmm  Installed    sailfish-maps-1.0.3-10.9.1.jolla.armv7hl  ...  Installed    sailfish-maps-1.0.9-10.10.1.jolla.armv7hl10:16
Morpogwhat the hell was I tyong10:16
Morpogtyping10:16
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Morpoggrrrrr10:16
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Pnuuhave to wait a bit to see if the drain triggered or not10:18
Morpogsailfish maps 1.0.3-10.9.1 here10:18
Pnuu68 % now, will check again in 30 min10:19
kimmolii did just run  pkcon install sailfish-maps and now app settings is on both devices (?)10:20
Morpoglet me try10:20
Stskeepsif you have battery drain: ssh into device over wifi; curl -O http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/atrace.bin    ; chmod +x atrace.bin ; devel-su    ;   turn off screen,    ./atrace -b 64000 -f -d -s -t 60 -z -d > atrace.trace.gz     as root; and send atrace.trace.gz to me at carsten dot munk at jolla dot com10:20
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Morpogkimmoli, didn't help here10:21
kimmoliok10:21
Morpogstrange bug10:21
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coderuskimmoli: what is your ssu release?10:23
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MorpogDevice release is currently: 1.0.4.2010:25
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kimmoliDevice release is currently: 1.0.4.2010:25
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coderuspkcon search name sailfish-maps10:28
PeperJohnnyStskeeps: does it matter if any apps are opened?10:29
PeperJohnnyopen*10:29
Morpogcoderus, , http://pastie.org/896090110:30
kimmolihmm there is sailfish-maps.json in /usr/share/jolla-settings/entries/10:30
coderusMorpog: i know you have old maps, i need kimmoli output :)10:31
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coderuspkcon10:31
MorpogI don't have a sailfish-maps-json10:32
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coderuskimmoli: did jolla guys enabled something special on your jolla? :)10:33
StskeepsPeperJohnny: no10:33
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PeperJohnnyOk10:33
mikmacoderus: yeah, he got the "cool dog" -flag ;)10:33
Morpoglol10:33
kimmoliafaik no10:34
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coderuskimmoli: ssu fl output?10:35
kimmoliDevice flavour is currently: release10:35
coderussucks :D10:35
coderuswell, you can then10:35
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coderuspkcon download . sailfish-maps10:36
coderusand share it to us D:10:36
coderus:D10:36
Morpog:D10:36
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kimmoliwtf now rpm -q sailfish-maps --> sailfish-maps-1.0.3-10.9.1.jolla.armv7hl10:37
Morpogsomeone from Jolla is reading here and playing with us? :D10:38
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coderuskimmoli: zypper in sailfish-maps=1.0.9 ?10:39
kimmoliah no zypper..10:40
coderuspkcon install zypper10:40
kimmoliik10:40
coderusssu ar mer-tools if needed10:40
PnuuStskeeps: I lost 2 % in 30 min with no activity, but I'm not yet certain if I've triggered the power drain or not10:40
PnuuI'll wait another 15 min and try the trace10:41
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phaeroncoderus: kimmoli it's a known issue. we're working on it10:51
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ggabrielela10:51
ggabrielor morning even :P10:51
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Morpogthx for reply phaeron10:51
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Pnuuyup, power drain got triggered by: enable hotspot, disable hotspot, disable wifi10:58
Pnuurunning the trace10:59
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phaeronMorpog: no problem, we try hard to communicate but you guys are so enthusiastic :)11:04
PnuuStskeeps: how long should it take to complete the trace?11:04
Morpog:D11:05
AccePnuu he told me to ctrl+c it after 10 secs or so11:05
Pnuuah, ok, I've been running it for 5 minutes or so :-D11:06
Pnuuthe resulting file is only 34 bytes :-P11:07
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PnuuStskeeps: seems that timings are screwed, the trace doesn't stop after the 60 s run time, top doesn't update (if it starts at all), everything via ssh is slooow11:14
Acceah, you're running the atrace, that ended properly after 60 secs for me11:18
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PnuuStskeeps: send you two atraces11:42
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ShadowJKuh...12:27
ShadowJKBattery meter just jumped from 55% to 4%12:27
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ShadowJKThis doesn't make sense, the charge level is rising so fast on charger, it would be have to be charging at 4A12:33
Acce4A.. sounds hot.12:35
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EztranBoth of those things suggest the battery level was misreported at some point.12:36
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EztranHang on, to 4%? Please tell me that's not Revenge of the Harmattan 4% Bug.12:37
tbrrevenge, best served: low battery12:38
ShadowJKnow at reported 26.9%, 486 / 1947 mAh, 4186mV, 1A charge rate. 2.3A calculated rate based on rise of mAh reported.12:38
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StskeepsPnuu: at least on second one i see your sensord wake up but not terribly often14:37
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PnuuStskeeps: ok, after that trace atrace didn't do anything when I tried another one14:38
Pnuufor some reason it was completely blocked14:38
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Pnuulike most of everything, like top14:40
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StskeepsPnuu: yeah you need a nudge with power button at end of it cos of timers14:43
Pnuuthe same with the empty traces?14:45
Stskeepsyea14:45
Pnuutimers or something get stuck14:45
Pnuuok14:45
Stskeepsafter 70 seconds, just poke power button so it turns back on14:46
Pnuubut atrace got stuck right after boot, too14:46
PnuuI started it within ~30 sec after boot, and it didn't do anything14:47
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iajedromHello, Is posible to buy and run the jolla mobile in spain and france? any experience? what about ibrit bidi support?16:02
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Pnuushould be useable16:03
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Pnuuand what's ibrit bidi?16:03
iajedromhebrew16:03
Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/question/12370/support-for-hebrew-language-squares-when-receiving-hebrew/16:03
iajedromhebrew and yiddish,16:03
iajedrombasically the idea is administrate it in english but I'd like read texts in hebrew yiddish etc.16:05
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Pnuucheck that post, couldn't find anything else on that16:06
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cointweakHey16:13
iajedromcan I buy it on the web from Spain16:14
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ggabrieliajedrom: yes, shop.jolla.com16:15
iajedromThanks, תודה רבה, Kiitos niin paljon16:17
cointweakDoes anyone know what folder the android apps data is stored in?16:17
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ortylp_cointweak: /data/data16:19
cointweakThank you16:21
ortylp_cointweak: it is the same directory structure as on genuine Android starting directly from root /16:23
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cointweakIf I try to write anything to my Jolla (create a textfile or backup data to ~/Documents) it says "No space left on device" but I still have 10GB left on the device16:24
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Acceis there way to choose which email to use when sharing?16:42
Pnuucointweak: someone just had the same problem16:44
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Pnuucan't remember what was the cause/fix, tho :-P16:44
Pnuutogether.jolla.com might help16:44
ggabrielAcce: yes16:44
ggabrielAcce: tap the 3 dots and select it16:44
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MorpogPnuu, cointweak I think it had something to do with btrfs16:44
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ggabrielno way to select a default though, as Pnuu says, there's something in tjc about it16:45
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Acceggabriel: thanks!16:47
iajedromcan be run terminal emulator in the device as user ans as root?, can install apps? run ssh? run a syslog daemon? and all usual linux apps? zsh?16:48
iajedrommlterm_16:48
iajedrom?16:48
Pnuuyes16:49
Morpogbut no apps that use x16:49
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Morpogbecause it uses wayland16:49
iajedromOk!! pretty!!16:49
Yanieland there is a syslog daemon already: journald :)16:50
iajedromas in arch ?16:50
Yanielyes16:50
cointweakPnuu, Morpog, it got solved by a reboot16:50
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Yanielor any systemd-based distro I guess16:50
iajedromI think is far far far the best option for the linux user || develop || sysadmin16:51
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EyeaI jolla is faluty I have not heard back form Jolla yet care@jolla.com17:06
Eyeamy Jolla is faulty17:07
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fk_lxStskeeps: ^17:08
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dwangoACStskeeps: Hi, I'm still around and willing to test, but it looks like I'll be limited to the Galaxy S4 for the moment17:09
dwangoACStskeeps: How goes the Nexus 4 development?17:10
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ortylpthere are two "speaker" grids on Jolla, are there two speakers or only one on the left?17:10
dwangoACUnless, of course, someone is willing to accept Bitcoin for a Nexus 4 / Galaxy SIII :)17:11
Pnuuortylp: only one17:11
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ortylpPnuu: thanks, I have already afraid, that something is wrong...17:13
ortylpPnuu: s/have/was17:14
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ShadowJKhm18:13
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ShadowJKJudging by occasionally registered instantaneous current draws, the charge meter is dropping about 2-3X too slow18:14
ShadowJKSo that'd correlate with jump from 55% to 4%, I guess18:14
StskeepsShadowJK: could you post that on together.* somewhere? plus what you did to measure it, that sounds suspicious?18:15
ShadowJKcurrent_now, etc.. It went 55% reported to 4% low battery alarm earlier today. When I put it on charger, the charge_now counter was increasing at a rate corresponding about 2.4A, though current_now was showing 1A as expected. I let it charge full, and now noticed that percentages should probably be dropping faster than they are :)18:18
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ShadowJK55% or there around, I had side swipe peeked a minute or so before it suddenly said low batt18:20
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TumeezHiya :)18:23
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ShadowJKhm, /var/lib/upower/history-*  hasn't been updated since yesterday evening, around the time I updated OS18:27
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Tumeezhttp://i.imgur.com/1kH6bI3.png19:06
Tumeez:D19:06
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ggabrielright, the jolla crashed and doesn't want to boot any more :(20:35
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ggabriel(intermitent blinking green led, plus screen on/off)20:36
crazy_imphow much space is left between toh and the hardware?20:36
ggabrieli have space20:36
ggabrieli can ssh in20:37
ggabrielchecking logs20:37
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crazy_imp:D20:38
ggabrielMar 23 20:36:55 localhost systemd[897]: Unit lipstick.service entered failed state.20:38
crazy_impsorry ggabriel, it was a more general question, regarding pcb thickness :)20:38
ggabrielcrazy_imp: sorry for responding to hte wrong questoin :P20:38
ggabriel[W] QOpenGLShaderProgram::init:659 - QOpenGLShaderProgram: could not create shader program20:40
ggabrielthis sounds bad..20:40
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cvphi20:42
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crazy_imphm... i suspect, there's no space at all below a stock toh20:45
flanagthere is enough space to fit a wireless charging coil there20:47
cvpi have one palm wireless charger, is the pcb need it ?20:49
cvpi mean the board what is incl.20:50
crazy_impflanag: this one? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1397595#post139759520:50
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crazy_imphmm, i can get 160x100x0.125mm base material :)20:52
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crazy_impbut then again, no space for chips without cutting openings in toh i guess20:52
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flanagcrazy_imp: that's one of the many coils people have fitted there, yeah :)20:55
Acceis there no mention in the TOH document?20:55
crazy_impAcce: dunno, will take a look20:56
crazy_impnope20:57
crazy_impone with 3mm (more) space would be great20:58
crazy_impand some supports to rest a 0.8mm pcb or such20:59
Accejust modify the toh design and print it :P21:00
crazy_impguess it'll be fast to kill the white one :D21:02
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cvpi will kill my the first one too :)21:03
* artemma pushed Flashlight 3.1 to Harbour. Now with light working when other apps are in foreground too! Anybody tried submitting to harbour lately? What's the usual delay nowadays? :)21:03
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bauerbobhi. do you think the jolla phone will get cheaper soon? any special offers planned?21:05
ggabrieldefine soon...21:07
cvpits not the quetion IF.... its more when ? :D21:07
xyzy1whywould it? the need the money.21:07
artemmaI am quite sure, Christmas sale can happen21:08
cvpsummer, christmax... or if second phone comes :D21:08
cvpx=s21:09
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ggabrielcan anybody give me the output of rpm -qa|grep -i egl _and_ rpm -qa|grep -i gles (from the jolla) pretty please? :)21:10
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bauerboblet's say within the next 2 weeks :-)21:12
ggabrielbauerbob: i wouldn't think so21:12
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cvpggabriel: http://i57.tinypic.com/10cozs5.jpg21:16
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ggabrielcvp: thanks a lot21:16
cvpnp21:17
ggabrielcvp: do you have /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2, since you're there? :)21:18
cvpggabriel: nope21:19
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ggabrielcool21:19
cvpggabriel: yeah cool........ dont know what that is and for what :p21:20
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ggabrielme neither, just trying ot work out why lipstickd refuses to work on my end21:20
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cvpgood luck ;)21:21
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* Nightmare__ is annoyed by the soundbug, jolla is not playing any multimedia sounds until restart....22:43
AardNightmare__: did you run any apps as root doing something with sound?22:44
Nightmare__not as far as i know22:45
phaeronNightmare__: did you play with csd tool ?22:45
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Nightmare__no22:46
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phaeronNightmare__: what apps do you have installed ( specially that use audio or run as root )22:48
Nightmare__mitäkuuluu, filetug(+)22:48
Nightmare__+start as root, my own tabata app, so,e android apps22:48
Nightmare__some22:49
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phaeronwhen you start stuff as root it has potential to screw up the pulseaudio socket permissions22:51
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Nightmare__must be filetug as root or stop aliendalvik, anything else should start withpur root22:54
Nightmare__without22:54
Nightmare__it's too late :D22:54
phaeronfiletug is from store ?22:54
Nightmare__a filemanager from openrepos22:55
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Nightmare__https://openrepos.net/content/matoking/filetug22:56
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phaeronNightmare__: try not to start it as root , and see if bug still happens22:57
Nightmare__startet and closed all my apps, still hearing sounds22:58
* Nightmare__ is curious when it will start to fail again22:58
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phaeronNightmare__: started as root or as normal user ?22:59
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Nightmare__both23:00
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phaeronNightmare__: do you launch apps from filetug when it is running as root ?23:01
Nightmare__no :D23:02
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Nightmare__got it, happens when using the sdk and connecting to the device23:05
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phaeronNightmare__: interesting23:07
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Nightmare__too soon :D sound appeared  again:D23:08
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Nightmare__i'll watch that issue a little closer in the next days23:11
phaeronNightmare__: thanks23:12
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