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| FireFly | sledges: well, I've extracted the QML files from the lipstick binary and looked at them, does that count? :P | 00:13 |
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| FireFly | I don't really like how the QML files are embedded like that.. | 00:13 |
| FireFly | would've been nice if they were external somewhere in the file system | 00:13 |
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| sledges | FireFly: yes, is not as fun as nokia n9 times; but who prevents you from tinkering by keeping the file length intact? ;P | 00:22 |
| sledges | for such tings like moving clock up the screen (/me just realised the flaw that louisdk idea would cause when peeking at the clock from within app switcher/minimise edge swipe ;)) | 00:23 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 06:28 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: any way to get current date under the clock? | 06:43 |
| Quu | on the lockscreen thingie | 06:43 |
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| Quu | i find it stupidly hard to launch calendar just to see what day it is :p | 06:43 |
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| special | sounds like a good tjc item | 06:45 |
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| Quu | well, i still cant post anything there | 06:45 |
| Quu | maybe i should create another account and test it | 06:45 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/12694/display-current-date-below-time-in-lock-screen/ | 06:46 |
| Quu | good good | 06:47 |
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| tbr | Quu: you noticed that the date is in the pulley menu of locks screen, right? | 06:48 |
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| tbr | s/locks/lock/ | 06:48 |
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| Nicd- | hmmm | 06:50 |
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| Nicd- | on OS X I can see the phone in Image Capture when I connect it with USB | 06:50 |
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| Nicd- | the name is armv7hl and it says it has 1222 items | 06:51 |
| Nicd- | but it doesn't display any pictures :/ | 06:51 |
| Nicd- | and now there's a process called PTPCamera using a lot of CPU | 06:52 |
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| Venemo_j | VDVsx: ping | 07:04 |
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| VDVsx | Venemo_j, pong | 07:08 |
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| Venemo_j | VDVsx: pinging you because IIRC you replied to the email sync issue on together that it's fixed | 07:09 |
| VDVsx | yup | 07:09 |
| Venemo_j | VDVsx: it's a lot better but it's not completely okay yet | 07:10 |
| Venemo_j | it now syncs most of the time (I checked yesterday) | 07:10 |
| Venemo_j | but | 07:10 |
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| Venemo_j | if I disable wifi and cellular data for the evening and reenable cellular data in the morning, it doesn't start syncing automatically | 07:11 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, you mean never or just after you enable them ? | 07:12 |
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| Venemo_j | it was just sitting there saying "last sync 14 hours ago" until I made it sync manually | 07:12 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, it should try in the next sync window, if you can collect journal logs would be appreciated, that works fine here | 07:13 |
| Venemo_j | VDVsx: I'm not sure if it would've synced by itself eventually | 07:13 |
| Venemo_j | I lost patience after waiting for ~10 minutes | 07:14 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, what's your sync time ? | 07:14 |
| VDVsx | interval | 07:14 |
| Venemo_j | dunno, I forgot where the setting is | 07:15 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, settings->apps->mail | 07:15 |
| Venemo_j | every 30 minutes | 07:16 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, ok, so if the window was just before you enabled wifi it would only try again after 30mins | 07:16 |
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| Venemo_j | VDVsx: ok, that's a bug then | 07:18 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, why ? :) | 07:18 |
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| Venemo_j | VDVsx: if it was synced 14 hours ago, I don't want it to wait for another interval | 07:18 |
| Venemo_j | N9 would sync immediately in such a situation | 07:19 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, well, so you want all processes that need network to kick in when you enable network :D | 07:19 |
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| VDVsx | Venemo_j, if is each 30mins is each 30mins not each 30mins and when user has network :D | 07:20 |
| VDVsx | I would consider it a bug if it syncs at random intervals when I explicitly set it to 30mins | 07:21 |
| Venemo_j | VDVsx: well, I understand the opinion but from a usability perspective, I disagree | 07:21 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, if you don't want to wait you can do a manual sync or choose a smaller interval | 07:22 |
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| Venemo_j | in my book, "every 30 minutes" means that it should ensure the last sync was <= 30 minutes ago, when it has a connection. I expect it to sync immediately when I turn on the network and it was synced > 30 minutes ago | 07:24 |
| Venemo_j | like I said, the N9 also works in such a way, and I think this is the logical way | 07:24 |
| Venemo_j | from a usability point of view, that is | 07:25 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, last sync was for sure 30mins ago, but failed :) | 07:25 |
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| VDVsx | n9 has a daemon always running for that, the device never goes to sleep state | 07:25 |
| Venemo_j | VDVsx: if it makes you feel better, think about this as a feature request | 07:25 |
| VDVsx | so it reacts always to network requests | 07:25 |
| VDVsx | very dificult to do that without inpacting the battery a lot | 07:26 |
| Venemo_j | VDVsx: I'm sure there is a good solution :) | 07:26 |
| VDVsx | since someone has to check always for those conditions | 07:26 |
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| Venemo_j | no | 07:26 |
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| VDVsx | Venemo_j, good is open, you can provide patches :) | 07:26 |
| VDVsx | code* | 07:26 |
| Venemo_j | why not just make a dbus signal when network is turned on? | 07:26 |
| Venemo_j | and then react to that | 07:27 |
| VDVsx | Venemo_j, it's here, current logic can't accommodate that, but can be done with some effort: https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-syncfw | 07:29 |
| VDVsx | sorry need to get back to work :) | 07:29 |
| Venemo_j | kk | 07:29 |
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| VDVsx | Venemo_j, and btw, you can ofc make a suggestion at t.j.c for that :) | 07:31 |
| VDVsx | I might forget is not there and someone does not keep pinging :( | 07:32 |
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| Mirv | any fresh ideas on the battery drain problem that is not yet mentioned at https://together.jolla.com/question/34510/severely-increased-battery-drain-after-10420-update/ ? | 07:40 |
| flux | hungermeter isn't mentioned | 07:41 |
| flux | though it's not a solution, but a tool | 07:41 |
| flux | though hunger meter should really be extended to do logging from longer periods of time | 07:41 |
| Mirv | it seems hungry now if I remember how it was before the update - more around 2W than under 1W, but I didn't use it much before so I'm not sure what I had earlier | 07:42 |
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| flux | there was this app for n900 that did long-term logging | 07:43 |
| flux | like, weeks back | 07:43 |
| flux | it also drew on top of the graph if the device was using data, charging, etc | 07:43 |
| flux | that would be nice. now, someone else, run with the idea! | 07:44 |
| Mirv | I guess for the next night I need to try some of the stuff that I tried the last time before tohd was found to be the culprit - disabling sync settings from accounts, disabling also 3G connection.. almost everything else has been tried out already | 07:47 |
| Mirv | or, disabling tohd of course :) but I'd doubt it'd be it this time | 07:48 |
| pp_ | apparently there's a sync bug that syncs despite no accounts? | 07:48 |
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| Pnuu | I haven't had the power drain with the latest version | 07:49 |
| pp_ | I sort of have a hunch that wlan might be involved too, it must be a battery suck and seems to connect/work much better now | 07:49 |
| Pnuu | mobile data is always on, but I don't have anything that's using it | 07:50 |
| oh8gnz | am I so blind but is there no place to put busy hours to normal email account, only exchange | 07:50 |
| Pnuu | pp_: a friend of mine disable also wifi, still drains | 07:50 |
| oh8gnz | i dont have any problems with power draining with new version | 07:51 |
| oh8gnz | not even the last before this first non beta | 07:51 |
| tbr | oh8gnz: I think it's already in the exchange settings, because there they licensed all the nokia code for activesync and that had this already and runs independently of the scheduler | 07:51 |
| oh8gnz | its not nice if hone beeps in themiddle of the night | 07:52 |
| Mirv | pp_: I've had wlan always off (my latest comment is the last one under "At least mail synchronization..." answer) | 07:54 |
| Mirv | zbenjamin: post your 1h powertop results then here too :) | 08:03 |
| zbenjamin | Mirv: i will | 08:04 |
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| Nicd- | Mirv: do you have email sync on and how often? | 08:09 |
| Mirv | Nicd-: disabled | 08:10 |
| Nicd- | ah | 08:10 |
| junnuvi | could someone please look which version of Paketti is latest available on store? | 08:10 |
| Mirv | I disabled it after the first night of battery drainage, after finding out it got enabled during the update | 08:10 |
| flux | oh, there's powertop for jolla, installing.. | 08:11 |
| Teme | junnuvi: for me it's 0.3.2 | 08:11 |
| Teme | at least it says so on info page | 08:11 |
| Nicd- | junnuvi: I just checked yesterday, I have 0.4.0 installed (from the store) but now the latest available is 0.3.2 | 08:12 |
| Teme | junnuvi: any way to check it once installed (from cli?) | 08:12 |
| junnuvi | uugh, thats sad. 0.4.5 was uploaded two days ago | 08:12 |
| junnuvi | Teme: yes, pulldown menu => about | 08:13 |
| Teme | 0.4.0 | 08:13 |
| junnuvi | 0.4.5 was approwed two days ago | 08:13 |
| Teme | just installed | 08:13 |
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| Teme | the info page said 0.3.2 | 08:13 |
| Teme | you got a proper mess lad | 08:13 |
| junnuvi | yes it looks like | 08:14 |
| junnuvi | is there any jolla emplyeer here who can check what is wrong? :) | 08:15 |
| junnuvi | -r | 08:15 |
| Kiranos | https://together.jolla.com/question/34899/email-client-quiet-mode-no-notifications-between-set-hours/ | 08:15 |
| Kiranos | the 1+ answer in that question, is that really how answer is intended to be used? | 08:15 |
| Kiranos | feels like a comment | 08:16 |
| oh8gnz | those are bubble gum fixes | 08:17 |
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| oh8gnz | like the author said, more general should be made someday | 08:17 |
| Teme | Kiranos: no it is not | 08:18 |
| Teme | although your question is not proper either ;) | 08:19 |
| Kiranos | ok? | 08:19 |
| Teme | if we are strictly speaking how that kind of platform (stacks or whatever should be utilized) | 08:19 |
| Teme | and move that last bracket after "whatever" :D | 08:20 |
| Teme | your question should have an answer | 08:20 |
| Teme | that's what i mean | 08:20 |
| chriadam | it might be that the device isn't properly entering deep sleep mode, due to waking up every 15 mins to do Facebook/Twitter syncs (even if you have no accounts added) | 08:20 |
| Teme | now it's just a feature request | 08:20 |
| Kiranos | Teme: yea thought it was ok to post feature requests in together | 08:21 |
| Kiranos | thought it was the official way | 08:21 |
| Teme | so i'd say if everyone agrees on a bit more lenient use of the platform then your question is okay and so is the answer | 08:21 |
| chriadam | as I mentioned in that tjc. fix is coming. | 08:21 |
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| Kiranos | anwer to a feature requests should be yes /no will be fixed but done in this way | 08:21 |
| Kiranos | imo | 08:21 |
| Teme | Kiranos: yeah i have no idea how the rules are in together | 08:21 |
| tango_ | btw the upgrade brought the tutorial back | 08:22 |
| Teme | the platform seems to be the stack exchange Q&A software.. i just know the rules enforced on stack overflow and there it's strictly Q&A or you're out :P | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | askbot | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | not stack exhcange | 08:23 |
| Teme | aha | 08:23 |
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| Teme | can't tell from the looks ;) | 08:23 |
| Trizt | Mirv: not sure, but in my case it was that all my 2800+ photos was backuped to google after the update, seems android apps now can access memory card too | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | O_o | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: google apps went crazy? | 08:24 |
| Teme | what the actual fuck :D | 08:24 |
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| Mirv | Trizt: ok, I don't have such android apps that would do the sync | 08:25 |
| Mirv | I do have lots of lots of photos | 08:26 |
| Teme | Kiranos: i woke up today to an SMS i didn't need so i agree with your request :( | 08:26 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: sure, it found all my old photos on the SD card, took some time to upload them all | 08:26 |
| Nicd- | ooh | 08:26 |
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| Nicd- | I'd love for G+ to backup my photos but it won't :( | 08:26 |
| Teme | should get a mode like "silence sounds except for incoming calls or smth" | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: ouch | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | naturally we can't know what google apps do as we don't support it but that just sounds overly evil of google | 08:27 |
| Kiranos | Teme: yea a general no notification start end time would be great | 08:27 |
| Mirv | I don't have G services, or anything from openrepos for that matter | 08:27 |
| Mirv | Trizt: anyhow, quite a feature :D | 08:27 |
| Mirv | "thanks google" | 08:27 |
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| Trizt | Stskeeps: I had enabled backup of photos, so that's not eveil of google, but of me | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it did it without any trigger | 08:27 |
| Kiranos | anyone has a dropbox apk running on jolla? | 08:28 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: is there a "date" for the f-secure storage? | 08:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Trizt: i don't have that information sorry | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | ask me about anything research-y and mer-ish though | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:29 |
| nahkiss_ | Kiranos: isn't there native app already? | 08:29 |
| Trizt | :( okey, I just thought you were the human jolla wiki ;) | 08:29 |
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| Kiranos | nahkiss: oh couldnt find one yesterday | 08:29 |
| Kiranos | but might be | 08:29 |
| nahkiss | sailbox yeah | 08:30 |
| nahkiss | not sure if it was on jolla store or in openrepos/warehouse | 08:30 |
| Kiranos | sailbox was in official | 08:30 |
| Kiranos | thanks! | 08:30 |
| joonahoi | Trizt: google drive deleted the pictures? or what now, can't quite follow here | 08:30 |
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| joonahoi | I have pre-alpha version of a program that actually monitors my camera directory and pushes the taken pictures to google drive | 08:31 |
| Trizt | joonahoi: it uploaded all my photos from the jolla to google+ | 08:31 |
| joonahoi | but i decided to not to develop it further, as f-secure > google | 08:31 |
| joonahoi | Trizt: oh, wow | 08:31 |
| Trizt | all photos are still on the phone and on my google+ account storage | 08:31 |
| * joonahoi checking his account | 08:31 | |
| Pnuu | the download system of sailbox seems a bit too complicated | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | joonahoi: please continue it | 08:32 |
| Trizt | it was just that it drained my battery as it took time to upload the 2800+ photos | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | joonahoi: the f-secure is going to be an android app :/ | 08:32 |
| joonahoi | w00t? | 08:32 |
| Pnuu | but I don't really use dropbox anymore for anything that I'd need on the phone | 08:32 |
| joonahoi | damn :/ | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | joonahoi: at start at least | 08:32 |
| joonahoi | Ok ok. Hope they'll publish an API at some point at least | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | sadly my photos weren't auto backed up to G+ :( | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | even though the app says they are | 08:33 |
| joonahoi | after all it's just http requests with JSON payload afaik | 08:33 |
| Trizt | joonahoi: that had been nice with your app, specially if you could choose more than just google | 08:33 |
| * Trizt should work | 08:34 | |
| Kiranos | android apps which use services, like email clients does this work on jolla, having an android app contantly active in the background to poll email server etc? | 08:34 |
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| joonahoi | I'll see what I can do. There's few obstacles here. First of all, harbour doesn't allow background services that this one would actually need. Ie. no use to keep "blank" cover up and running | 08:36 |
| joonahoi | and second is that the use of the app is pretty limited, as it is only used to push the data, I'm not planning to implement a two-way sync | 08:37 |
| Trizt | Kiranos: my experience is that android apps don't work well unless you have it full screen | 08:37 |
| joonahoi | but maybe i'll just publish it at some point as a self deployable package that people can install if they have knowhow | 08:38 |
| flux | not to mention running multiple android apps is currently annoying | 08:38 |
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| joonahoi | Btw, where can I find some information about younited <-> jolla stuff? The mention about it being android app for example | 08:40 |
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| Acce | joonahoi: oh god no, where did you hear that? | 08:41 |
| joonahoi | few lines up | 08:41 |
| joonahoi | 10:30 < Nicd-> joonahoi: the f-secure is going to be an android app :/ | 08:42 |
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| joonahoi | I had the assumption it would be native, too | 08:43 |
| Acce | That would definitely be a mistake.. but why would it be an android app? there already is an android app for younited, isn't there | 08:43 |
| Trizt | flux: yeah, wish it could have one cover per app. Tizxen solves this by building speciall packages of android apps, so you can't install which ever android app you want, at least that I understood it | 08:44 |
| joonahoi | Yeah there is | 08:44 |
| joonahoi | I think that Nicd- has got it wrong along the lines somewhere | 08:44 |
| joonahoi | and sure as hell hope so | 08:44 |
| joonahoi | :D | 08:44 |
| joonahoi | that's why I asked for the source of the information | 08:44 |
| joonahoi | I would really love a native solution to make my own app obsolete, as younited > google storage, from almost every standpoint. starting with the actual privacy. | 08:46 |
| Nicd- | joonahoi: I got the assumption from IRC chats with jolla employees that at the beginning it may be an android version | 08:46 |
| joonahoi | It really seems that F-Secure is reinventing itself as a privacy centered company | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | I have the logs but don't really want to start spreading them around | 08:47 |
| joonahoi | I hope you have it wrong. The android client already exists anyway | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | exactly, that's why it would be easy to start with it | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | just push it into the jolla store and it's all set :P | 08:48 |
| Acce | Nicd-: the logs can be search in the web, if you talked about it on #jollamobile or #sailfishos | 08:48 |
| Acce | searched* | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | though android apps have problems with accessing new photos (need to kill dalvik or reboot for them to be seen), dunno if it was fixed in the latest update | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | Acce: not those | 08:48 |
| ottulonen | Nicd-: it wasn't fixed yet | 08:49 |
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| artemma | anybody here knows about Jolla browser specific CSS? | 08:55 |
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| artemma | I can't kill default input controls styling with -moz-appearence: none; | 08:55 |
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| crazy_imp | how long should it take to enable the dev mode? it's showing the "progress bar" for some minutes now... | 09:01 |
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| crazy_imp | .oO(all i want is to update... and it needs some tweaking to get it into the eduroam) | 09:07 |
| Trizt | crazy_imp: sometimes it takes a while, go and make yourself a mug of tea | 09:07 |
| crazy_imp | does it need some internet connection for this? | 09:08 |
| Trizt | no, as far as I know | 09:08 |
| TheBootroo_work | crazy_imp: be carefull dude, seems like your nose migrated from between your eyes to the left of your face ^^ | 09:08 |
| crazy_imp | TheBootroo_work: ?! | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo_work | crazy_imp: "10:06:48 <crazy_imp> : .oO" | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | thought bubbles | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo_work | the right place for your nose is o.O | 09:11 |
| crazy_imp | indeed | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo_work | Stskeeps: \o/ | 09:12 |
| covox | also you should get that conjunctivitis looked at | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo_work | covox: yeah | 09:12 |
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| Venemo_j | hm | 09:15 |
| Venemo_j | lipstick just crashed | 09:15 |
| Venemo_j | blinking green led + all apps killed :( | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: journalctl -n 500000 > log | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | please | 09:16 |
| Venemo_j | k | 09:16 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: as user or root? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | root | 09:17 |
| Venemo_j | ok, done | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, mail it to me, but check if there's any data you wouldn't want me to see first | 09:18 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: email app doesn't see this file in 'add attachment' | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: ah, you're mobile atm.. | 09:19 |
| Venemo_j | yep | 09:19 |
| Venemo_j | _j = jolla | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: it can wait, not in a big rush | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | just needed to collect the log as soon as possible | 09:20 |
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| Venemo_j | ok | 09:21 |
| crazy_imp | is there any editor installed in the factory default image? | 09:22 |
| covox | crazy_imp: does cat count as an editor | 09:23 |
| covox | :P just install vim | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | sed! | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:23 |
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| crazy_imp | covox: only if you have echo / <> in the shell :D | 09:25 |
| crazy_imp | covox: no wlan... you see the problem with installing software / updates? :D | 09:26 |
| Teme | what other editing tools could anyone possibly need | 09:26 |
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| covox | crazy_imp: sideload those rpms then :P | 09:27 |
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| netzvieh | does push imap work with the mail client yet? | 09:28 |
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| netzvieh | hmm it still says roadmap on tjc -.- | 09:32 |
| ggabriel | vote, vote! | 09:33 |
| netzvieh | I hope there's a feature update for the mailclient next update | 09:33 |
| ggabriel | the sync frequency is not great either | 09:33 |
| netzvieh | well I don't need pull :D | 09:33 |
| ggabriel | who does? | 09:34 |
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| crazy_imp | wlan \o/ | 10:34 |
| crazy_imp | so, how do i start the updates :D | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | crazy_imp: settings->system->about->pulley menu | 10:35 |
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| crazy_imp | oh | 10:37 |
| crazy_imp | hmpf | 10:38 |
| crazy_imp | 1.0.0.5 and it says "up to date" | 10:38 |
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| maxorator | do pkcon/zypper come with some default repositories already attached, and if not, which ones should be compatible? | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | ssu lr will show you the repositories that you have (enabled, disabled, etc) | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | pkcon/zypper are just tools for packagekit... | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | and not sure what you mean by "compatible" | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | ofc you aren't going to add a fedore repository to sailfish, if that's what you mean | 10:50 |
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| crazy_imp | ggabriel: any ideas to convince it that there are updates waiting? | 10:52 |
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| ggabriel | crazy_imp: not sure... search in tjc, I think that happened before and is documented there | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | crazy_imp: i'd probably try a pkcon refresh from the terminal, but at your own risk ;-) | 10:53 |
| rangoy | maxorator: what is this repo; - home ... https://download.jollamobile.com/home:/honeybadger/latest_armv7hl/ | 10:53 |
| rangoy | it's disabled on my phone, and i do not think i've diabled it | 10:54 |
| Pnuu | crazy_imp: try the check updates again | 10:54 |
| rangoy | and a quick google could reveal that it's only an example repo | 10:57 |
| crazy_imp | Pnuu: doesn't change anything | 10:58 |
| crazy_imp | ggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/18630/unable-to-update-software-os/ ? | 10:58 |
| ggabriel | can you access the jolla store? :) | 10:59 |
| crazy_imp | i'm signed in, the jolla account website also shows my phone (so i guess i'm successfully logged in) | 10:59 |
| crazy_imp | i can see it, but if i try to install something, it fails | 10:59 |
| Pnuu | have you removed the tutorial app? | 10:59 |
| crazy_imp | no | 10:59 |
| Pnuu | good, don't | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | have you enabled dev mode? | 11:00 |
| crazy_imp | ggabriel: i tried, only the progressbar and it never went to "active" | 11:00 |
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| Jonni | crazy_imp: basic questions is your device clock and date in right time, updates will fail if your clock is even a minute behind. | 11:14 |
| Jonni | have you ever accidentally pressed the SSU updates button, if you have then your device is in wrong domain and updates will fail. | 11:14 |
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| crazy_imp | Jonni: i might did that - but it requieres a login (which i don't have? - so it shouldn't change anything, or?) | 11:19 |
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| ggabriel | crazy_imp: oops | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | SSU updates is evil at that version, so that may be the issue | 11:20 |
| Nicd- | crazy_imp: there was a bug with the dev update button where it changed something even though you had the wrong credentials | 11:20 |
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| Jonni | crazy_imp: even if you cancel the login query, it changes the domain, so you need to change the domain back to sales | 11:20 |
| crazy_imp | great... | 11:20 |
| crazy_imp | :D | 11:20 |
| crazy_imp | how can i fix that? | 11:21 |
| crazy_imp | cannot enable the dev mode, nor do i have any terminal on it right now (or is it somewhere hidden like the check for updates?) | 11:21 |
| crazy_imp | reset the device? | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | resetting is easiest i think | 11:22 |
| Jonni | crazy_imp: | 11:23 |
| Jonni | log in with x@sales with any password, it fails | 11:23 |
| Jonni | turn back devmode again | 11:23 |
| crazy_imp | now it's resetting :D | 11:23 |
| Jonni | so its easier just to login x@sales on ssu dialog, no need to reset :) | 11:23 |
| crazy_imp | turn back devmode again - ? | 11:24 |
| Jonni | but reset should do the trick too :) | 11:24 |
| crazy_imp | it never turned on the dev mode here... | 11:24 |
| Jonni | or actually "login with x@sales, it fails, now you can do system update" | 11:24 |
| Jonni | but anyways reset should work too. | 11:25 |
| crazy_imp | is it done if it shows the charging % on the screen and the led is light blue? | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | that often means charging | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | just double tap and see if it comes alive | 11:27 |
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| crazy_imp | booting :) | 11:27 |
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| crazy_imp | ah, finally it's installing stuff :) | 11:35 |
| crazy_imp | thanks :) | 11:35 |
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| cvp | the volume has been reduced during calls since last update? | 11:42 |
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| crazy_imp | the sailfish logo reminds me of the seagate logo :D | 11:56 |
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| Milo- | crazy_imp good catch :o | 12:02 |
| crazy_imp | btw, does the system update reset / block the traffic counters while it's downloading? | 12:02 |
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| flux | crazy_imp, nonsense, seagate logo has 5 lines :) | 12:09 |
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| Nicd- | still a lot of tickets available: http://www.eventbrite.com/e/jolla-and-sailfish-hack-day-tickets-10706018991 | 12:12 |
| Nicd- | ping flux, Yaniel | 12:12 |
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| flux | hmm | 12:14 |
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| crazy_imp | is 1.0.2.5 -> 1.0.4.20 a valid update path (skipping 1.0.3.8)? | 12:22 |
| flux | I think it only does one step at a time | 12:22 |
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| crazy_imp | that's what i've read too | 12:22 |
| flux | right, I haven't tried myself | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | someone mentioned it goes from 1025 to 10420 | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | skipping 1038 | 12:23 |
| crazy_imp | but it's not trying to download 1.0.3.8, it goes directly for 1.0.4.20 | 12:23 |
| flux | but I certainly wouldn't try to skip a revision. it would probably be less tested. | 12:23 |
| flux | interesting | 12:23 |
| special | 1.0.2.5 is the only point where it stops | 12:23 |
| flux | maybe there are some updates that are masked 'point of no skipping' | 12:24 |
| flux | marked even | 12:24 |
| * crazy_imp will get something to eat while it's downloading | 12:25 | |
| inffy_ | mine skipped the 1.0.3.8 update yesterday after a factory reset | 12:25 |
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| crazy_imp | 80% downloaded nearly instant... no food for me? | 12:27 |
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| maxorator | do jolla default repos contain build tools or do I have to cross compile everything (for example for shared libraries)? | 12:41 |
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| Stskeeps | maxorator: we have a sdk as well | 12:42 |
| maxorator | I meant more like shared libraries which are usually independent from distros | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | maxorator: there's build tools in the repository, the os is self-hosted, but i wouldn't recommend building on device | 12:43 |
| Kiranos | crazy_imp: I got my phone yesterday, 1.0.0.5 as the OS at start, upgarded to 1.0.2.5 and then on to latest 1.0.4.20 | 12:44 |
| Kiranos | everything went smooth | 12:45 |
| maxorator | any specific reason or just because it's less powerful? | 12:45 |
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| maxorator | since Qt pretty much just uses whatever underlying display server that is installed, it's possible that other gui frameworks could work? | 12:56 |
| maxorator | not that I want to avoid Qt, I'm just trying to get a sense of the bounds | 12:57 |
| flux | well, there is Wayland below Qt | 12:57 |
| flux | so yes, I can see you could probably use any toolkit that works with it, assuming they agree on the protocol version | 12:57 |
| flux | of course, making it fit in with the rest of the Sailfish apps might be a big task, but not perhaps relevant for games | 12:58 |
| flux | Sailfish does come with SDL, but I don't know if it actually works or is it left in by mistake.. | 12:58 |
| flux | (sailfish used to use X, so SDL could be remaining from those times) | 12:59 |
| sharpneli | It works | 13:01 |
| sharpneli | It's just tad old | 13:01 |
| sharpneli | Considering SDL nowadays supports iOS and Android too it would be a mistake to remove it. | 13:02 |
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| maxorator | GTK+ apparently supports wayland, would it work if I compiled it myself? | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | dunno why you would want to use GTK+ instead of Qt though | 13:05 |
| maxorator | tbh I haven't used either much | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | this is a post-X11 system, so it's very fun to work with | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:06 |
| maxorator | and most of the stuff I write these days is network stuff or libs | 13:06 |
| maxorator | and generally I like to mess with less mainstream stuff :p | 13:07 |
| maxorator | if I'd make an actual app I'd probably use whatever works best though | 13:07 |
| maxorator | but experimenting is always fun | 13:07 |
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| maxorator | what's the filesystem on sailfish like? like on an ordinary linux distro? | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | maxorator: btrfs | 13:20 |
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| maxorator | ah I meant the actual directory structure, not the file system itself | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | it's a mess thanks to qualcomm | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | ~20 partitions iirc | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | (assuming that's what you're looking for) | 13:21 |
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| ggabriel | otherwise the organisation within the root fs is pretty much standard linux | 13:21 |
| maxorator | does it store apps in some special place? | 13:22 |
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| ggabriel | dunno, i'd check harbour's faq to get some clues | 13:22 |
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| ggabriel | re application binaries, application data and so on | 13:22 |
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| sharpneli | Btw. Did you guys notice that unrealengine is practically free nowadays? https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/welcome-to-unreal-engine-4 I wonder how long until someone buys the cheapo license and makes a Jolla port for it :D | 13:23 |
| maxorator | ah, /usr/bin and /usr/share | 13:23 |
| sharpneli | I'm actually somewhat seriously considering buying the license just for lulz and try to get it run on Jolla and then commit the code back. | 13:24 |
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| maxorator | I'm thinking of trying to compile some game servers on it once I get it | 13:27 |
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| maxorator | not really what you'd use a phone for, but just seems like something I want to do :p | 13:28 |
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| CoderCandy | huh, unreal are being clever | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | maxorator: why wouldn't you use a phone for a game server? the nintendo ds's have been doing that since day 1 and it's too much fun | 13:28 |
| CoderCandy | Allowing indie developers to use the engine, and take a cut from the sales. | 13:29 |
| CoderCandy | Like Google and Apple does with their appstores. | 13:29 |
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| maxorator | ggabriel, well I suppose it'd be nice, having some people around and "hey, let me just start up the server on the local network and play a bit" :p | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | maxorator: the use case would be slightly different | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | so, you wouldn't host something for 100s of players | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | but surely when you play on a plane with 4-5 others, it makes sense that one device is the server | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | unless the game is designed in a distributed manner | 13:30 |
| maxorator | I guess it makes sense yeah | 13:31 |
| ggabriel | you also remove the requirement of being online, which is good for us consumers | 13:31 |
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| maxorator | any way I can browse the default repository somewhere? | 13:34 |
| maxorator | want to see what default tools it has | 13:34 |
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| ggabriel | interesting home made test: theregister.co.uk and amazon.co.uk load faster on sailfish's browser than chrome on android, and android runs on a dual core 1.7GHz | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | go jolla :P | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | sadly, sailfish's browser is not seen as a mobile one in some cases (e.g., bbc.co.uk) so it will load faster on android | 14:02 |
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| VDVsx | ggabriel, for me it opne mobile version, maybe you changed it at some point and it stores some cookies | 14:04 |
| VDVsx | opens* | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | VDVsx: could be | 14:04 |
| jabis | well, that's only because of the user-agent | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | jabis: yup, which can be changed | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | but i never bother | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | often the desktop site gives you more options | 14:04 |
| jabis | ye I tend to like my pages full too - besides webkit is really good in terms of scaling them, so just bloat of js and massive assets hinder the mobile UX | 14:05 |
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| ggabriel | VDVsx: yup, switched manually and now it defaults, thanks | 14:05 |
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| Venemo_j | I usually prefer the mobile versions of sites | 14:06 |
| crazy_imp | btw, was there a letter with stickers in the hq today? ;) | 14:06 |
| pp_ | https://xkcd.com/869/ | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | lol | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | there's an xkcd for almost anything | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | nationalrail.co.uk is particularly annoying with reminding you of their fantastic mobile application, while their mobile site is a lot better | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | crazy_imp: not sure what you mean | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | i have jolla stickers fwiw | 14:08 |
| VDVsx | pp_, no joke that happens a lot, click a link, website asks: mobile or desktop, choose one: tdaaaa home page :D | 14:09 |
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| crazy_imp | we send a source code request and put some stickers in it | 14:10 |
| crazy_imp | ggabriel: | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | oh right | 14:11 |
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| crazy_imp | btw, using ssh on the jolla right now \o/ | 14:13 |
| Teme | in or out? :p | 14:13 |
| crazy_imp | out | 14:13 |
| oh8gnz | it works fine for me | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | if you come from meego/maemo, it's kind of unsurprising ;-) | 14:14 |
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| oh8gnz | only problem is that lack of real qwerty keyboard | 14:15 |
| oh8gnz | touch keyboards suck | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | you mean physical keyboard | 14:15 |
| oh8gnz | yeah | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | you mean virtual keyboards :) | 14:15 |
| Teme | yeah i need one that flips or slides out :( | 14:15 |
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| ggabriel | preorders for that stopped | 14:15 |
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| Teme | although the fingerterm keyboard is as good as they get in virtual ones | 14:15 |
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| ggabriel | it's quite acceptable | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | the main argument for physical keyboards is that you can use the full screen for everything | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | so no need for big screens for the sake of it | 14:16 |
| sharpneli | And tactile feedback. You don't have to watch your fingers when you type | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | since 50-40% of the time you have half of it occupied with a keyboard | 14:16 |
| Teme | btw fingerterm related question: if i backspace when there's nothing on the line my screen flashes bright white... like it's saying "don't do that please you stupid fuck there's nothing to erase" | 14:16 |
| maxorator | wonder if mini bluetooth keyboards exist | 14:17 |
| Teme | is this intended? :o | 14:17 |
| crazy_imp | ggabriel: i had a n810 before | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | Teme: i guess :P | 14:17 |
| maxorator | phone in one pocket, keyboard in the other :P | 14:17 |
| Teme | at least that notification gets noticed ._. | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | Teme: i'm sure that the blink doesn't mean exactly what you say though ;-) | 14:17 |
| oh8gnz | ggabriel: with real keyboard it's faster to write | 14:18 |
| oh8gnz | much faster | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | oh8gnz: i'm not disputing that | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | it's just we don't have one | 14:18 |
| Teme | well from the intensity of it it seems like it's exactly that ;) | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | well, we have the made in the bedroom one | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | but only for shy of 100 brave users who ordered it | 14:18 |
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| oh8gnz | ggabriel: hope that it comes someday | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | +1 | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | there's a question in tjc for tha too | 14:19 |
| oh8gnz | bt keyboard is not good if it's not physically integrated to phone | 14:19 |
| cvp | use someone here xmpp (ejabberd) and have open a groupe char room ? | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/389/keyboard-other-half/ | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | only 111 votes so far | 14:19 |
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| oh8gnz | who wants carry phone in two pieces | 14:20 |
| cvp | 112 now ;) | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 14:20 |
| maxorator | oh8gnz, do you type longer texts every time you pull out your phone? | 14:21 |
| cvp | need help with groupe chat (xmpp) | 14:21 |
| oh8gnz | maxorator: normally pretty much same length | 14:22 |
| maxorator | although I guess the main problem is that you'd have to hold them separately :< | 14:22 |
| oh8gnz | maxorator: yes, that's even bigger problem | 14:22 |
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| cvp | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1417847#post1417847 | 14:54 |
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| crazy_imp | Teme: in works too | 15:00 |
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| Wnt | cvp: by "groupe chat" do you mean a group chat with multiple XMPP participants? | 15:05 |
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| Wnt | does the Jolla's messaging application support group chats at all? | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | well, there is nowhere to set up a conference server in the gui at least | 15:06 |
| cvp | i remember that one in forum tell my that he use groupe chat on jolla... but i forget it who told me | 15:06 |
| mikma | (not my video but currently happening with my jolla too) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-h8GKv8zk | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | i wonder what lipstick is doing | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | probably worth checking journalctl as root | 15:11 |
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| cvp | special: you here ? | 15:14 |
| flanag | mikma: https://together.jolla.com/question/35041/strange-bug-on-jolla-screen/ "Among other problems I hit pixelation that is seen in 0:23 mark of your video. Have you checked what I found causing my problems. Could be tracked down to resource eating process." -> https://together.jolla.com/question/35079/10420-stability-problems-findings/ | 15:14 |
| flanag | if you think you have the same problem, that fix might work | 15:16 |
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| mikma | flanag: i can't see how those could actually be connected | 15:20 |
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| flanag | mikma: well, I haven't seen that problem myself so I don't know about it but I think it's at least worth a try (if you even have openrepos) | 15:22 |
| mikma | flanag: nope, no openrepos installed | 15:23 |
| flanag | that changes the situation then | 15:23 |
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| flanag | I see that you already did a factory reset, so it might be a hardware problem :/ | 15:24 |
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| maxorator | I wonder if there is some library/server that can do a lot of different messaging protocols/services and exposes one external API via which you can control them all | 15:28 |
| maxorator | could make an app that interfaces with that and offload all complex parts to some server then | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | like telepathy? | 15:29 |
| maxorator | will check if it's what I'm looking for | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | that's what sailfish/meego uses | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | i'm not sure it's exactly what you say though | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | but it's all kind of centralised | 15:32 |
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| maxorator | well, I'm thinking of offloading the central thing to some VPS | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | vps? | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | oh, you mean a server outside the phone | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | yuk | 15:33 |
| maxorator | something like an irc bouncer, except for not just irc | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | why would I give all my passwords to somebody who I may not trust? | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | there are millions of those | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | I happen to know somebody who used to work in one of those friendly servers | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | and he was a bit of a delinquent | 15:34 |
| maxorator | I mean personal VPS | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | sounds overkill :) | 15:34 |
| maxorator | that's what I specialize in :p | 15:34 |
| nahkiss | maxorator: bitblee like stuff? | 15:34 |
| nahkiss | except it connect all messaging protocols/services to irc | 15:35 |
| maxorator | although I guess it's better than nothing | 15:35 |
| maxorator | running a gazillion different messengers on desktop is okay, but on a phone it seems kind of weird | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | maxorator: why? | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | admitedly, it sucks a little bit of extra battery | 15:36 |
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| ggabriel | but in sailfish/meego is very tidy | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | you have one application to rule them all | 15:36 |
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| maxorator | API-wise perhaps, still separate connections though | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | I agree with you in android/ios though | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | well, that depends on the protocol, support for push etc etc | 15:37 |
| maxorator | but really it's kinda my own personal fetish, so I don't think what I'm trying to do should be something popular :p | 15:37 |
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| ggabriel | maxorator: you mean something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | ;-) | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | "because I can" kind of thing | 15:38 |
| maxorator | precisely! | 15:38 |
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| Intekulan | hello computer | 15:39 |
| intekula- | hi jolla | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | would you like to play chess, Intekulan? | 15:40 |
| Intekulan | this is neat | 15:40 |
| chriadam | ggabriel: nah, global thermonuclear war is more fun | 15:41 |
| * chriadam showing his age | 15:41 | |
| Intekulan | the only way i wouldnt lose is not to play | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | chriadam: my thoughts exactly :) | 15:41 |
| intekula- | but only because I'm not very good | 15:41 |
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| ggabriel | Intekulan: i guess i was making a reference to an oldish film (war games) | 15:42 |
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| intekula- | I know | 15:42 |
| intekula- | I tried to spin the anser | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | ok, so you're not that young either, cool ;) | 15:42 |
| intekula- | answer* | 15:42 |
| intekula- | ggabriel: I have the movie on my computer not on vhs ;) | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | :P | 15:44 |
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| Wnt | maxorator: check out bitlbee, it's a irc server that allows connecting to multiple different IM services | 15:47 |
| cvp | maxdata | 15:49 |
| goroboro | Wnt: I use it myself :D | 15:49 |
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| minimec | ggabriel: So your password is 'Joshua'? I loved that movie | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | minimec: obviously that film is so old that password complexity didn't matter ;-) | 15:59 |
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| goroboro | if you type your password in irc it automatically substitutes it with asterisks | 16:00 |
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| goroboro | see like this: ********* | 16:00 |
| tbr | nobody will know your password is hunter2 | 16:00 |
| goroboro | damn... how did you see that? | 16:01 |
| minimec | ggabriel: Yeah, and only a (very young) Matthew Broderick was able to find it... ;) | 16:01 |
| goroboro | must be a new irc command... something like /revealpasswds | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | goroboro: only you see it, the irc server is smart eonugh to show the password to you and ****** for the rest of us | 16:01 |
| goroboro | oh wow | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | (there is actually a real conversation along these lines that happened in the past and is somewhere in the internet :P ) | 16:02 |
| goroboro | indeed | 16:02 |
| PeperJohnny | yeah it's in the top 100 of bash.org :D | 16:02 |
| goroboro | it is well logged... I think on bash.org | 16:02 |
| goroboro | snap | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | ha! | 16:02 |
| goroboro | I love that site | 16:02 |
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| TheBootroo_work | \o. | 16:06 |
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| TheBootroo_work | .o. -o- <o> \o/ HEYYYYY MACARENA ! | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | rotfl | 16:07 |
| TheBootroo_work | .o. -o. -o- <o- <o> \o> \o/ HEYY MACARENA ! | 16:07 |
| TheBootroo_work | now you have it on the head for the rest of the day | 16:08 |
| TheBootroo_work | no no, don't thank me, it's free | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | a nice application for the amoled other half to remind you how to dance it if you don't understand the lyrics | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | s/amoled/oled/ | 16:09 |
| XenoPL | thanks god it always reminds me of hardcore "cover" of that piece | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | if "hey macarena" isn't awesome, it's because you haven't drunk enough | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | not that i'm encouraging drinking | 16:10 |
| maxorator | hmm, since the app binaries are in /usr/bin, I can just as easily launch them from terminal? | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | maxorator: ofc | 16:11 |
| maxorator | so I can launch my apps in root! | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | not recommended | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | but you can | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | is this another of the things you do because you can? :) | 16:12 |
| maxorator | kinda | 16:12 |
| XenoPL | burn the heretic :D launchng apps as root grrr | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | maxorator: csd tool useful to launch from terminal | 16:12 |
| maxorator | hmm, haven't really poked other apps in linux generally, do I need to be root to mess around with other process's memory? | 16:12 |
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| maxorator | like another app running under the same user | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | unsure | 16:13 |
| ggabriel | root processes also segfault | 16:13 |
| phaeron | if you launch csd as root your audio will be muted until you reboot | 16:18 |
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| phaeron | actually anything that touches audio gets run as root will do that | 16:19 |
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| Quu | tbr: lol. i didnt. i feel so fucking stupid now.. :D | 16:21 |
| Tweek | Hi guys | 16:22 |
| tbr | Quu: no worries, stuff happens. :-> | 16:22 |
| Quu | hehe :) | 16:22 |
| Quu | thanks! :D | 16:22 |
| tbr | np, yw | 16:22 |
| Tweek | just now my sailfish crashed when I tried to open whatsapp from notification. my screen went black and after the led indicator blinked green a few times sailfish recovered | 16:25 |
| Tweek | all covers were gone, which happened before. But when I try to open any android app it gets stuck on loading... and closes the cover | 16:25 |
| Tweek | basically the same as in https://together.jolla.com/question/31158/android-apps-stopped-working/ | 16:26 |
| tbr | Tweek: homescreen crash/restart | 16:26 |
| tbr | Tweek: try restarting aliendalvik.service | 16:26 |
| Tweek | i tried a full reboot, uninstall and reinstall of dalvik, and app reinstall | 16:27 |
| Tweek | none worked | 16:27 |
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| Tweek | what is the exact command to restart the service? ill try that as well | 16:29 |
| netzvieh | systemctl stop aliendalvik.service | 16:29 |
| netzvieh | and then start instead of stop | 16:29 |
| netzvieh | iirc | 16:29 |
| Yaniel | or just systemctl restart aliendalvik.service | 16:30 |
| netzvieh | or that :D | 16:30 |
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| Tweek | doesnt make any difference | 16:31 |
| Tweek | app still crasheson loading | 16:31 |
| tbr | mh, might need to reinstall android support then | 16:32 |
| Tweek | i already tried, didnt work | 16:33 |
| tbr | anything in journal? | 16:33 |
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| AL13N_work | hmm, i got linked this: http://www.musl-libc.org/intro.html | 16:40 |
| Tweek | where can i find journal? | 16:40 |
| AL13N_work | seems interesting | 16:40 |
| Pnuu | Tweek: devel-su journalctl -fa | 16:40 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: tbr: maybe interesting for you guys: http://www.musl-libc.org/intro.html | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | anybody going here? http://www.mobilelinuxnews.com/2014/03/tech-meetup-london-uk-21th-march-jolla-tizen-ubuntu-firefoxos-meego/ | 16:42 |
| Tweek | alien_bridge_se wifimodel::updateservicelist keeps popping up | 16:42 |
| tbr | Tweek: pastebin.com the whole | 16:43 |
| Tweek | kk gimme a few mins to hook up to my computer | 16:44 |
| Tweek | cant copy from terminal | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | Tweek: you can do > log and email or something | 16:45 |
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| stephg | ggabriel, wasn't planning too but is sufficiently near to work | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | i'm wfh tomorrow, so it's a zone 3->1 trip, but considering | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | gotta ditch the gf though | 16:48 |
| netzvieh | ggabriel: why? | 16:51 |
| Tweek | tbr: http://pastebin.com/X1hkGNL0 | 16:51 |
| Tweek | the return sender is when i try to open an android app | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | netzvieh: she isn't that geeky i guess | 16:51 |
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| tbr | Tweek: doesn't look helpful | 16:52 |
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| Tweek | tbr: thats all that the journal displayed | 16:53 |
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| Tweekzor | any other ideas how I can try to solve it? (Its Tweek, my nickname was taken already) | 16:59 |
| Yaniel | your old self is probably going to timeout soon then | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | nickserv is your friend | 17:00 |
| Tweekzor | Sorry, never used irc before ^_^ | 17:01 |
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| Tweekzor | there I go :D | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | http://blog.freenode.net/2007/03/nickserv-is-your-friend/ | 17:02 |
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| ggabriel | uhm.... i think i'm suffering some meego tracker issues | 17:16 |
| stephg_j | howso | 17:16 |
| ggabriel | some entries disappear | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | but i can find them through global search | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | another incentive to get the caldav plugin working | 17:17 |
| phaeron | entries of what | 17:20 |
| phaeron | on what device | 17:20 |
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| cybette | ggabriel: gf weilcome! geeekiness is an advantage, not a requirement | 17:23 |
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| ggabriel | cybette: hehe | 17:26 |
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| cybette | so yeah hope to see you guys there stephg, ggabriel | 17:30 |
| cybette | and anyone else who happen to be in london tomorrow: http://www.mobilelinuxnews.com/2014/03/tech-meetup-london-uk-21th-march-jolla-tizen-ubuntu-firefoxos-meego/ | 17:30 |
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| CoinTweak | nickserve is being a nuissance... | 17:31 |
| CoinTweak | when i try to register it says invalid command | 17:31 |
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| stephg | cybette, what time will you be in london, 7 is potentially relatively late | 17:35 |
| * stephg is a social butterfly | 17:35 | |
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| cybette | stephg: late? I thought it's early! wanted to give people enough time to get from work or perhaps even outside london to the venue | 17:39 |
| stephg | hehe | 17:39 |
| stephg | no completely understand | 17:39 |
| stephg | just wondering if you'll be around before | 17:39 |
| cybette | stephg: oh I'm already in London today, I can be there earlier if you want to meet up first and can't stay long | 17:39 |
| fk_lx | cybette: best greetings! <3 | 17:40 |
| cybette | fk_lx: thanks! <3 wanna come to london tomorrow? :D | 17:40 |
| fk_lx | cybette: hehe :-) | 17:41 |
| fk_lx | cybette: if it wasn't that far away | 17:41 |
| stephg | cool cybette | 17:41 |
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| stephg | no idea what I'm doing tomorrow but it probably doesn't extend to a late pass in the evening | 17:41 |
| stephg | also I've never met anyone here in person, ever | 17:42 |
| stephg | :) | 17:42 |
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| cybette | stephg: then we have to change that :D | 17:42 |
| stephg | indeed | 17:42 |
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| somethingelse | does anyone else have issues using nickserv on their jolla? | 17:44 |
| somethingelse | i am using the irc client from jolla store | 17:45 |
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| netzvieh | anyone here has a jabber.ccc.de account on jolla working? | 18:00 |
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| BonoNL | hello | 18:21 |
| BonoNL | just trying to figure out irc | 18:22 |
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| cybette | BonoNL: welcome :) | 18:23 |
| BonoNL | hi | 18:24 |
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| Quu | BonoNL: just remember, everyone in irc is dick and mean. | 18:30 |
| Quu | with that in mind, you should get on with irc pretty good | 18:30 |
| crazy_imp | uhm | 18:31 |
| virtuald | expletive | 18:31 |
| crazy_imp | can i have an english locale with km instead of yards and stuff? :D | 18:32 |
| * Trizt thought his phone had rebooted by itself, as it had the PIN code view, but all the apps were still running | 18:32 | |
| Trizt | crazy_imp: you Canadian? ;) | 18:33 |
| crazy_imp | Trizt: gnope | 18:34 |
| crazy_imp | nope | 18:34 |
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| BonoNL | I'm not mean ;) | 18:36 |
| Morpog_PC | crazy_imp, for maps? | 18:37 |
| crazy_imp | yes | 18:37 |
| Morpog_PC | you can change it in maps settings | 18:38 |
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| BonoNL | cybette: hi Cybette. just figuring how to send messages to someone. | 18:39 |
| Yaniel | that one was public FYI | 18:39 |
| Yaniel | ie. visible to everyone on this channel | 18:40 |
| crazy_imp | Morpog_PC: hm? i've got only "search" in the pully menu | 18:40 |
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| Trizt | crazy_imp: think there was a suggestion how to solve this in together | 18:40 |
| cybette | BonoNL: try /query irc_nick | 18:40 |
| crazy_imp | Trizt: https://together.jolla.com/question/836/nokia-here-unit-system-in-maps/ | 18:41 |
| crazy_imp | but since Trizt said, it's configurable in the app, i would choose that way | 18:41 |
| Trizt | did I ? | 18:41 |
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| crazy_imp | err | 18:42 |
| crazy_imp | Morpog_PC, sorry Trizt | 18:42 |
| crazy_imp | :) | 18:42 |
| Trizt | sure it had been nice if you could configure it in the app | 18:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | i'm sure i saw it somewhere | 18:42 |
| BonoNL | thanks Cybette. | 18:42 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe i dreamed it? lol | 18:43 |
| crazy_imp | :D | 18:43 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: ! | 18:43 |
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| Trizt | No, I can't find any settings which you can modify from a gui for Maps | 18:43 |
| Trizt | and Maps stills shows that I'm 6Km away from my location | 18:44 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: i need audio recorder cover icon :) | 18:44 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: please :) | 18:44 |
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| Trizt | anyone else than me who thinks the "home screen" is quite worthless? | 18:46 |
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| cybette | crazy_imp: settings -> apps -> maps | 18:46 |
| Morpog_PC | cybette, yeah i saw it there, but now its disabled somehow | 18:46 |
| Trizt | cybette: you have 1.0.5.12 ? | 18:46 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, will have a look | 18:47 |
| AL13N | i have for the first time mobile data now... and i didn't find where to edit the settings... i had to check with together | 18:48 |
| cybette | Trizt: 1.0.4.20 | 18:48 |
| AL13N | long press wasn't obvious | 18:48 |
| crazy_imp | cybette: no "editable" settings there for me | 18:48 |
| Morpog_PC | cybette, must be a bug, i can remember i was able to go in there once | 18:48 |
| Trizt | cybette: no config for Maps in my 1.0.4.20 | 18:48 |
| crazy_imp | maybe because i've installed the apps before i ran the update? | 18:48 |
| * tbr doesn't have it either and no updates in store | 18:49 | |
| cybette | hmm | 18:49 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe it vanishes after first reboot? | 18:49 |
| * tbr uninstalls maps | 18:49 | |
| tbr | nope | 18:50 |
| Morpog_PC | same here, but I remember it was there | 18:51 |
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| tbr | rebooted, installed after reboot, nope. weird | 18:53 |
| cybette | my maps was also installed before the update, and i've just rebooted today to change to a UK SIM. at least on this device i'm running the same release as you all | 18:53 |
| cybette | weird indeed | 18:53 |
| tbr | actually I just checked my second jolla. that one also has a 'grayed out' maps icon in apps settings | 18:54 |
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| crazy_imp | that's unfair ;) | 18:54 |
| coderus | there are no maps settings in system and maps packages | 18:55 |
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| BonoNL | Maps are grey indeed, running 1.0.4.2 | 19:00 |
| tbr | .20 not .2 ;) | 19:01 |
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| tbr | unless you stole one of the display devices during MWC ;) | 19:01 |
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| keithzg | Mine is greyed out too, in 1.0.4.20, although I never checked it in previous version. | 19:19 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, if you want all other cover icons mirrored too, just tell it, then I commit them too | 19:21 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: why mirored? :) | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC | left or right side of cover :D | 19:22 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, do you plan to let people choose what actions are on cover? because with every version of mitakuuluu new actions are in there :D | 19:24 |
| CvP | is it possible to change Action if the app is already installad? | 19:26 |
| CvP | nerver see a app who can change the actions | 19:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | CvP: you can, but you need to implement a UI for it | 19:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not hard, not easy | 19:29 |
| CvP | :) k | 19:30 |
| CvP | special you here? :) | 19:32 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: sure | 19:54 |
| coderus | CvP: what is Action? | 19:55 |
| CvP | cover actions, see question from morpog_pc | 19:56 |
| coderus | its very easy :) | 19:56 |
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| coderus | CoverAction { iconSource: someObject.leftIcon; onClicked: someObject.leftCLicked() } | 19:57 |
| coderus | and same for right | 19:57 |
| coderus | and you can change cover actions in realtime :) | 19:58 |
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| CvP | good to know :) | 19:59 |
| CvP | thx coderus | 20:00 |
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| CvP | want the know to programming, but i cant :( | 20:00 |
| crazy_imp | someone here in charge of the wikipedia app? | 20:02 |
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| Acce | crazy_imp: artema is the author | 20:03 |
| crazy_imp | he's not here, or? | 20:04 |
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| Acce | yes, doesn't seem to be | 20:04 |
| Acce | crazy_imp: you could try his twitter, @AgileArtem | 20:06 |
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| crazy_imp | Acce: how to deal with feature requests? | 20:17 |
| crazy_imp | put them into tjc? | 20:17 |
| Acce | for apps? | 20:17 |
| crazy_imp | yes | 20:18 |
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| Acce | better contact the author directly by email / via github / social media / commenting on the app in the Jolla store | 20:18 |
| Acce | commenting on the app doesn't give any notifications, so could take some time to notice.. tjc is not really for asking features in 3rd party apps | 20:19 |
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| crazy_imp | ok :) | 20:20 |
| Acce | for the wiki app: https://github.com/sailfishapps/Wikipedia | 20:21 |
| Acce | there's his email at the bottom | 20:21 |
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| crazy_imp | the app itself says https://github.com/amarchen/Wikipedia | 20:22 |
| Acce | well, it's the same app, he just put it in the sailfishapps github repo too, apparently :) | 20:23 |
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| cvp | what is the Cover Action onTriggered: command to send to Raspberry pi the command "killall ambi-tv" ? :) | 20:48 |
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| Acce | uhh.. do you have some c++ code that does it? or some software that does it from command line? | 20:50 |
| cvp | no i dont have nothin know about programming :D | 20:50 |
| cvp | * | 20:50 |
| cvp | g | 20:50 |
| Acce | hmm, I would say, try first finding some way to trigger that killall command remotely | 20:51 |
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| Acce | after you manage that, move on to wiring it up to the onTriggered | 20:51 |
| Acce | maybe there is some ssh library that allows you to send remote commands | 20:52 |
| cvp | ok | 20:53 |
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| cvp | hmm maybe "ssh pi:raspberry@192.167.xxx.xxx killall -9 ambi-tv"? | 20:58 |
| cvp | @Acce | 20:59 |
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| Acce | hmm, can you try it? | 21:00 |
| netzvieh | cvp: should work if you use cert based auth for nemo->raspi | 21:00 |
| Acce | great, so set up the cert based authentication, cvp | 21:01 |
| Acce | then test the command from terminal | 21:01 |
| Aard | win 77 | 21:01 |
| attah | guys-- note the presence of password in the command | 21:01 |
| * netzvieh gives Aard a / | 21:01 | |
| attah | not sure that is correct syntax though | 21:02 |
| netzvieh | attah: hm? password | 21:02 |
| attah | "pi:raspberry" | 21:02 |
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| Acce | hmm I never tried putting the password in the command, so didn't notice | 21:02 |
| attah | windowsy ftp-in-ie-syntax | 21:03 |
| stephg | attah, that works? | 21:03 |
| attah | no | 21:03 |
| stephg | never seen it before | 21:03 |
| stephg | the uri://user:pass@host/ syntax | 21:03 |
| attah | well my mac won't have it anyway | 21:03 |
| attah | that works, yes | 21:03 |
| netzvieh | ah well :D yeah could work, but why not cert based auth? I think it'd be much better | 21:04 |
| stephg | I'd be very surprised if it works with ssh | 21:04 |
| stephg | and yes | 21:04 |
| attah | definitely better.. | 21:04 |
| stephg | keys or certs ftw | 21:04 |
| stephg | infinitely better | 21:04 |
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| cvp | no its not work | 21:05 |
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| netzvieh | cvp: ssh-copy-id pi@192... | 21:07 |
| netzvieh | from the jolla | 21:07 |
| netzvieh | and after that try 'ssh pi@192... touch test' | 21:08 |
| netzvieh | that should work | 21:09 |
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| netzvieh | if then killall doesn't work the pi user has not the permission to do that | 21:09 |
| attah_ | router took a dive.. never happened before :S | 21:09 |
| Acce | too much late night IRC, is my guess | 21:10 |
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| attah_ | probably | 21:10 |
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| netzvieh | and regarding kill -9: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1xvr25/linux_tip_dont_use_kill_9/ :) | 21:11 |
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| cvp | lol | 21:15 |
| cvp | so back | 21:16 |
| attah_ | much irc | 21:17 |
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| stephg | very network | 21:19 |
| stephg | wow | 21:19 |
| cvp | if i do that over the terminal from jolla: ssh pi:raspberry@ip killall ambi.tv => i get the message, that i have to put the password... like raspberry .... after that i get the message: ambi-tv(2241): Operation not permitted ... and ambi-tv: no process found => but the process is still working :D | 21:19 |
| attah_ | yeah.. the syntax user:pass seems to be incorrect | 21:20 |
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| cvp | ssh-copy-id pi@192... for what is this ? | 21:21 |
| Yaniel | copying the public key over to the pi | 21:22 |
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| cvp | -usr-bin-ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No Iídentities found | 21:24 |
| cvp | - = / | 21:24 |
| Yaniel | you haven't generated one | 21:24 |
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| cvp | ok , but than is is better to find a another method :D | 21:26 |
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| Yaniel | hm? | 21:29 |
| Yaniel | generating a ssh key pair takes less than 5mins | 21:29 |
| Yaniel | see ssh-keygen | 21:30 |
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| cvp | Yaniel: script kitty can do that https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobilwerx.scriptkitty.app&hl=de | 21:40 |
| Yaniel | yes? | 21:40 |
| cvp | without any ssh key | 21:40 |
| cvp | but dont want android | 21:40 |
| Yaniel | umm | 21:41 |
| Yaniel | if you tell it to copy a ssh key it obviously needs to generate said key first | 21:41 |
| Yaniel | it might do that automatically if it hasn't already | 21:41 |
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| cvp | i try | 21:44 |
| cvp | will see if ther create one | 21:44 |
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| cvp | nothing to see that he create one | 21:47 |
| cvp | and work nice | 21:47 |
| cvp | with "sudo killall ambi-tv" | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | check .ssh/authorized_keys on the target machine | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | it should contain a key from that app now | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 21:48 |
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| keithzg | Hrmm. I strongly dislike how Connman doesn't support ad-hoc wifi hotspots. It's a bit sad that every solution for Linux kinda sucks (at least NetworkManager seems to work these days, but it's horribly bloated to balance that out). | 21:59 |
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| keithzg | Although I suppose I could just call wpa_supplicant directly, probably. | 22:02 |
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| cvp | Yaniel: cp: cannot stat `/home/pi/.ssh/id_rsa.pub': No such file or directory | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | I never mentioned that one | 22:04 |
| cvp | ok its maybe to late to understand something forme | 22:05 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, so connmanctl isn't part of the connman package in Mer, eh? So how might one get it on SailfishOS without compiling connman oneself, which sounds like a recipe for disaster upon the next update? | 22:13 |
| AL13N | keithzg: getting it included in mer (maybe as a subpackage) | 22:14 |
| AL13N | then alerting jolla people to incorporate it | 22:14 |
| Yaniel | mer-tools maybe? | 22:15 |
| AL13N | or then, maybe it's easier to use the DBUS | 22:15 |
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| keithzg | Ah, there's a DBUS interface for connman, eh? That might be the simpler path to walk, I suppose. | 22:15 |
| keithzg | In theory connmanctl is part of connman itself and is included, so the fact that the Mer package omits it seems deliberate. | 22:16 |
| phaeron | use the scripts in the connman-test package | 22:17 |
| lpotter | not deliberate. connman itself does not install connmanctl | 22:18 |
| keithzg | phaeron: Aha, and then I see a bunch of useful scripts all plop down in /usr/lib/connman/test. Thanks! | 22:23 |
| keithzg | lpotter: Fair enough, I had just read that connman has an official cli as of 1.7, and I guess I elaborated and assumed too much from that. | 22:24 |
| AL13N | so have i earlier on | 22:25 |
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| lpotter | I do have a patch to make connmanctl into the package but am busy with other things | 22:25 |
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| mfulz | is there some unzip gui available? | 22:30 |
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| cvp | mfulz: i find nothin about... but want too with open directory and zip it :) | 22:35 |
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| keithzg | mfulz: I've just been using unzip in the terminal, but https://github.com/karip/harbour-file-browser (ie. the unimaginatively-named "File Browser") has the ability to install RPMs and appears to do so in a way that'd probably be quickly amenable to reusing for unzipping instead with a simple patch. Or so I'd imagine. | 22:38 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, yeah, that looks quite doable even for someone as c++ averse as I am, since the relevant parts seem to be in QML. But I've gotta run from work now, maybe that'll be my slacking project for Friday. | 22:46 |
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| cvp | good night | 22:53 |
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| Bono | Anybody using Gpodder on Sailfish? | 22:57 |
| mfulz | keithzg: yep unzip in terminal I know | 22:57 |
| mfulz | would be great to have some gui with filetype reg. to use directly from out of the email program a.e. | 22:57 |
| keithzg | Bono: I'm about to use it as I walk out the door! /me puts on headphones, turns off desktop monitor. | 22:59 |
| Bono | when registering device on site | 22:59 |
| Bono | which device id did you used? | 23:00 |
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| Bono | keithzg | 23:00 |
| Turski | what version is bash in repositories? | 23:01 |
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| Turski | ahaa, looks like my system left a bit messed up after that system upgrade + openrepos mess | 23:05 |
| Turski | i seem to have both bash 3.2.51 and bash 4.3 installed :P | 23:05 |
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| Turski | or something :S | 23:06 |
| Turski | zypper verify says Problem: cannot install both bash-1:4.3-0.armv7hl and bash-1:3.2.51-1.1.1.armv7hl | 23:07 |
| Turski | not sure what i should do now... | 23:08 |
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| Turski | how can i safely remove 4.3 and install the one from official repos? | 23:10 |
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| Turski | it's pretty bad situation, package manager thinks there is two packages installed that provides same files (which are pretty essential) | 23:13 |
| Turski | if i first try to remove 4.3 and then install 3.2, my device will probably be a brick | 23:13 |
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