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| Pnuu | now I got battery drain during the night, must be the wifi hotspot | 05:11 |
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| Pnuu | for some reason it didn't turn off, or something | 05:12 |
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| Nicd- | hmm | 05:19 |
| Nicd- | I woke up with all apps gone | 05:19 |
| Nicd- | but no reboot | 05:19 |
| Nicd- | tried to save logs -> bash: no space left on device | 05:20 |
| Nicd- | but df -h disagrees | 05:20 |
| chriadam | btrfs :-/ | 05:20 |
| Nicd- | then fingerterm crashed and turned into portrait mode and lost ui settings | 05:21 |
| Nicd- | but my menu.xml was fine | 05:21 |
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| Nicd- | meecast has lost all settings | 05:22 |
| Nicd- | wtf | 05:23 |
| Nicd- | fingerterm crashed | 05:23 |
| Nicd- | lost settings again | 05:23 |
| junnuvi | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 05:25 |
| Nicd- | yeh, settings are lost whenever I quit fingerterm | 05:25 |
| Nicd- | my fs is fucked it seems :/ | 05:25 |
| junnuvi | :( | 05:25 |
| Nicd- | thanks junnuvi, I'll check that out | 05:25 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: IIRC there is some sort of fsck in recovery | 05:32 |
| tbr | but that page is probably better | 05:34 |
| Mirv | the night before, 46% battery drop. last night, 9% battery drop. difference: disabling Sync setting for FB+Twitter+Google. | 05:35 |
| chriadam | especially twitter+fb. they have sync schedules of 15 minutes for some datatypes (notifications etc) | 05:39 |
| chriadam | google should only sync calendars + contacts once every 24 hours, same for fb calendars+contacts+image metadata. | 05:39 |
| chriadam | we've seen a bug where a problem with one of the twitter sync adapters can actually stop the device suspending altogether... I'm trying to track that one down but having no luck so far :-( | 05:40 |
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| Nicd- | damn damn damn | 05:42 |
| Nicd- | jolla lost mobile data too, had to take my laptop | 05:42 |
| Nicd- | junnuvi, tbr: I'm nowhere near the limits though when I check with btrfs fi | 05:43 |
| Nicd- | just checked, some of my app settings are gone, new settings can't be saved (at least fingerterm resets itself every time), ambiences are gone... | 05:43 |
| Nicd- | journalctl is full of dalvik stuff where apps are trying to save to files and failing | 05:44 |
| Nicd- | "unable to open /proc/14211/oom_score_adj for writing" too and that sort of stuff | 05:45 |
| Nicd- | journalctl is full of "allocation limit reached, rotating -> rotating -> reserving 2047 entries... -> vacuuming -> deleted archive -> retrying write -> allocation limit reached | 05:46 |
| Nicd- | in settings I only have 5.2 / 13.7 GB used | 05:47 |
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| Nicd- | I guess I'll just keep my terminals open and wait for Stskeeps (or some other Jolla person) to wake up | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'm awake but pre-coffee | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | i need to see your journal | 06:02 |
| Nicd- | I couldn't save it | 06:03 |
| Nicd- | no space left on device | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | okay, that's not sounding good | 06:04 |
| Mirv | chriadam: right, I'll re-enable Google at least, and probably FB too as it seeems probable Google alone is not enough to do visible harm. for Twitter I'm anyway rather using "pull" via Tweetian. | 06:04 |
| Nicd- | df -h reports /home is at 36% | 06:04 |
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| Mirv | ok, here we go | 06:05 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: what was the command for the journal save? I can try again | 06:05 |
| Mirv | I'll check around lunch time how has 4h went from 67% | 06:05 |
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| Stskeeps | Nicd-: journalctl -n 5000 > /run/journal | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | should work | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | as /run as a tmpfs | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | i need to go for a bit, taking care of my kid in the morning | 06:08 |
| Nicd- | what was your email? | 06:08 |
| Nicd- | where I can send this to | 06:09 |
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| chriadam | Mirv: FB will wake the device up every 15 minutes for notifications sync, currently. by the way, you can change the sync schedule by modifying the .xml's under /etc/buteo/profiles/sync/facebook.Notifications.xml etc (and then deleting the "copy" under /home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync/ and restarting msyncd) | 06:14 |
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| Mirv | right. it'll be interesting to see how this setup turns out. the biggest culprit might be that twitter preventing suspending then, but I'll see. | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: carsten dot munk at jolla dot com | 06:28 |
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| Nicd- | Stskeeps: ok. I'll have to leave for work but I'll try to send the log at some point | 06:32 |
| Nicd- | my /home still says no space left when trying to save a file | 06:32 |
| Nicd- | dunno if it's related but my mobile data is closed too and won't open | 06:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Nicd-: it smells like https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 06:40 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: yep, it does. I'll send you some output from those commands with the email | 06:40 |
| Nicd- | I quickly checked and didn't seem to be approaching the limits though, but I'll check again | 06:40 |
| Nicd- | off to work --> | 06:41 |
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| Pnuu | added my power drain setup to tjc | 06:52 |
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| Pnuu | seems to be something related to radios (wifi and mobile data) | 06:52 |
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| Nicd- | in my journalctl: DropBoxManagerService: Can't write: system_server_wtf | 07:09 |
| Nicd- | hehehe, also funny that it's trying to write dropbox stuff when I've never installed any dropbox client on the device | 07:09 |
| Turski | Nicd-: do you have cargodock? | 07:10 |
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| Nicd- | Turski: I had it for a while | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | but those messages are from alien dalvik | 07:10 |
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| Turski | aha... | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | seems my filesystem is crapping out everywhere. /data/system is unwritable, /home/nemo is unwritable and a lot of files are unreadable | 07:11 |
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| inffy_ | :( | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: what city are you in again? | 07:14 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: Tampere | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: any chance you might be interested in dropping by jolla office with your device? | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | at some point during today | 07:15 |
| Nicd- | I can do that, sure | 07:15 |
| Nicd- | during what timeframe? | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | let me just ask my collagues | 07:16 |
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| Cal-Drone | moi miau :) | 07:26 |
| Cal-Drone | i accidentally did some stupid | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm all ears | 07:27 |
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| Cal-Drone | i now have 1.0.0.5 and cant update it :o | 07:27 |
| jussi | ooh, this could be fun, people doing stupid things :D | 07:27 |
| Cal-Drone | (: | 07:27 |
| tbr | that one is boring, probably installed software from store | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | Cal-Drone: you touched developer updates at any point? | 07:28 |
| Cal-Drone | tried to get rid of bootloop and did factory reset in recovery tool x) | 07:28 |
| Pnuu | Cal-Drone: have you set up your jolla account after the reset? | 07:30 |
| Cal-Drone | yes and tried with another account also | 07:31 |
| Cal-Drone | it needs an account to update? | 07:32 |
| Cal-Drone | i have this "system update available for download" but it halts almost right away | 07:32 |
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| Cal-Drone | did pkcon install and pkill already | 07:34 |
| tbr | Cal-Drone: if you ever touched "developer updates", then you're toast and need to factory reset | 07:34 |
| tbr | unless you have fingerterm and devel-su, then you can fix ssu domain | 07:34 |
| Cal-Drone | it flashes the older update, maybe im not fast enough to touch it :D | 07:34 |
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| Cal-Drone | what should it be? | 07:34 |
| Cal-Drone | jolla or sales? | 07:34 |
| tbr | sales | 07:34 |
| Cal-Drone | it was jolla but i changed it | 07:35 |
| Cal-Drone | tbr: well i "factory reseted" it with telnet | 07:35 |
| Cal-Drone | and got this oldie version of it | 07:35 |
| Cal-Drone | :D | 07:35 |
| Cal-Drone | thought i can update it but.. | 07:35 |
| Cal-Drone | :D | 07:35 |
| tbr | Cal-Drone: yes, factory reset always goes back to the original version | 07:36 |
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| Cal-Drone | yes :) | 07:36 |
| tbr | Cal-Drone: the proper steps are: do not install store software, just enable jolla account, immediately update to newer version | 07:36 |
| Cal-Drone | which is impossible | 07:36 |
| Cal-Drone | thats why im asking | 07:36 |
| Cal-Drone | :) | 07:36 |
| Cal-Drone | store problem | 07:37 |
| coderus | ssu re 1.0.4.20 | 07:37 |
| coderus | version --dup | 07:37 |
| tbr | so what's your "ssu domain"? | 07:37 |
| Cal-Drone | sales | 07:37 |
| coderus | and then switch to ssu re latest and ssu fl sales | 07:37 |
| tbr | coderus: I'm not sure that's a wise choice to go there _directly_ from 1.0.0 | 07:37 |
| coderus | well, you can do to 1.0.2.5 first | 07:38 |
| Cal-Drone | coderus: trying | 07:38 |
| Cal-Drone | :) | 07:39 |
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| coderus | tbr you jolla employe? | 07:40 |
| inffy_ | tieto i would say :) | 07:41 |
| tbr | coderus: not a sailor, still well informed. | 07:41 |
| tbr | inffy_: correct | 07:41 |
| tbr | and I know that the upgrade path from original directly to 1.0.4.20 was never put through proper QA | 07:42 |
| tbr | because it's not intended | 07:42 |
| tbr | not saying that it will fail, just saying that it was not fully tested | 07:42 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, go through 1.0.0.5 -> 1.0.2.5 -> 1.0.4.* | 07:44 |
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| crazy_imp | ohwell, sounds like the problem i had yesterday :D | 07:44 |
| Cal-Drone | worth a try still | 07:44 |
| Cal-Drone | installing x) | 07:45 |
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| Cal-Drone | lets see what happens | 07:50 |
| Cal-Drone | booting | 07:50 |
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| Cal-Drone | yay | 07:52 |
| Cal-Drone | seems to work :) | 07:52 |
| Cal-Drone | thanks :) | 07:53 |
| Cal-Drone | so now i try to break it again | 07:54 |
| Cal-Drone | x) | 07:54 |
| Cal-Drone | :DD | 07:54 |
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| Pnuu | https://twitter.com/MarcDillonDotFi/status/445910629920956416/photo/1 | 09:54 |
| Pnuu | yay, MMS should be in the next update | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | i'm more interested in what "target" means there :P | 09:55 |
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| Pnuu | april? | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | april is around the corner | 09:57 |
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| Mirv | Pnuu: MMS \o/ | 10:32 |
| * Stskeeps puts MMS on fire | 10:32 | |
| Pnuu | noooo | 10:32 |
| Mirv | nooo | 10:32 |
| hene- | yes, MMS! finally | 10:33 |
| hene- | but when next update will be ready to release? :) | 10:34 |
| * tbr suspects break of the month | 10:34 | |
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| ggabriel | sure, let's start setting the expectation that the next update is the first of april | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | :P | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | or maybe, because it's update5, it will be the first of may | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | btw, if you want to follow the mms work: | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/nemomobile/mms-engine | 10:36 |
| special | or maybe we've been releasing so fast to catch up to 4, and from now on it's yearly updates with the next in 201*5*? | 10:36 |
| special | anything could hapen! | 10:37 |
| special | +p | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | special: shouldn't you be sleeping. | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:37 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: special never sleeps | 10:37 |
| w00t | he's jacked into the IRC matrix | 10:38 |
| special | I trained myself out of it to work more efficiently | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: first of april would be a huge joke | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo_work | just sayin' | 10:38 |
| w00t | damn, I guess I'm a bit too late to start on my "windows phone" homescreen for the april 1st update | 10:39 |
| Eztran | Now that would be April 1st material. | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: why on your jolla when you can have windows phone ON YOUR GODDAMN WRIST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRTTpOGYsnk | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | 1st of april, offline maps, 5G, skype all integrated | 10:40 |
| w00t | why. | 10:40 |
| w00t | ggabriel: 5G? why not 6G! | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | because update5 | 10:41 |
| pp_ | heh, better skype integration than in WP8 would be funny :-) | 10:41 |
| special | ∞G | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | the next one should be 6G | 10:41 |
| pp_ | that used to be the case on the N9 :-) | 10:41 |
| w00t | maybe an OTA upgrade to 8GB of RAM and 128GB of storage too | 10:41 |
| svuorela | "jolla follows the lead set by big brother Nokia and sells their phone department to microsoft" -- april 1st :P | 10:41 |
| pp_ | (well, more n900 which had video too I think) | 10:41 |
| TheBootroo_work | w00t: downloadmoreram.com ? | 10:41 |
| TheBootroo_work | svuorela: very bad joke :-( | 10:41 |
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| TheBootroo_work | throws back bad memories | 10:42 |
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| netzvieh | who needs MMS anyway? oO we need a better email client first! | 12:20 |
| ln- | netzvieh: currently MMSes sent to a jolla probably just disappear without notice. | 12:21 |
| * Nightmare__ didn't send or got mms since ages | 12:21 | |
| phdeswer | Who needs an email client when you have a good browser? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes, who needs anything but OWA | 12:22 |
| * Stskeeps ducks | 12:22 | |
| phdeswer | What is important to you is not necessarily for others. | 12:22 |
| ln- | Nightmare__: no wonder if you are using jolla. | 12:22 |
| netzvieh | ln-: well I havn't recieved/sent an mms since what 2005? | 12:22 |
| ln- | netzvieh: well i have. | 12:22 |
| Nightmare__ | i use it for 3 weeks now :-p | 12:23 |
| netzvieh | thought with the 3G stuff it was buried, until I read here about it ^^ | 12:23 |
| * netzvieh throws a Win95 CD at Stskeeps | 12:24 | |
| TheBootroo_work | we need MMS because even if WE don't use them, so contacts are sending MMS to us, because not everyone yet has full internet access on mobile | 12:24 |
| netzvieh | phdeswer: people who have there own mailserver and like imap push e.g. | 12:25 |
| TheBootroo_work | i received 3 MMS on my Jolla and i would have loved to be able to see them | 12:25 |
| netzvieh | but yeah I see, there are different use cases :) | 12:26 |
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| * phdeswer has sane contacts. Nobody sends me mms (otoh I would not even want to recieve them if they did) | 12:26 | |
| cecilie | I don't know, when my mom sends me an MMS, it's nice to receive it (but then my network operator gives me a link to where I can see it in a browser, if the phone doesn't support MMS) | 12:28 |
| cecilie | so not a big deal, just nice to have | 12:28 |
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| netzvieh | Stskeeps: is there a chance we get to see a roadmap, besides the roadmap tags on tjc? | 12:32 |
| AL13N_work | i think i got MSS disabled on my provider | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | netzvieh: i wouldn't consider it impossible | 12:32 |
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| * crazy_imp legt dem netzvieh ein wenig futter hin ;) | 12:34 | |
| netzvieh | crazy_imp: :P well I'll go and make me some food now :D | 12:35 |
| crazy_imp | :) | 12:35 |
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| VDVsx | good place to check most of the stuff that is cooking: https://github.com/nemomobile | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | netzvieh: i think some it comes down to that many people are expecting that everything is planned down to the minimal detail; because by the time for example when nokia products came out, it was already known when it would die (last bug fixes) and what features were planned or not.. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | we don't intend to let sailfishos die with one device, it's an endless path | 12:38 |
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| Stskeeps | so it is always a dynamic force based on user input, operator input, investor input, breakage, delays, etc | 12:38 |
| pp_ | 3GPP video call and IMS! | 12:39 |
| * pp_ runs | 12:39 | |
| VDVsx | WAP!!!! | 12:40 |
| * VDVsx hdies | 12:40 | |
| Stskeeps | oh f*ck no | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:40 |
| TheBootroo_work | DOO WAP DOO WAP | 12:41 |
| Mnsu_ | has anyone ever used those video calls? I never even tried :) | 12:41 |
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| pp_ | I think I tried it once | 12:42 |
| pp_ | push to talk too | 12:42 |
| crazy_imp | waaawaawooopwaawoopwoop ;) | 12:42 |
| Mnsu_ | wap was a bit exciting on a phone that did not even have gprs, and we didn't have internet at home | 12:43 |
| pp_ | WAP over SMS! Not to mention GPRS over WLAN | 12:43 |
| Pnuu | we used to have wap2irc interface years ago | 12:44 |
| Pnuu | interface/page/whatever | 12:44 |
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| netzvieh | Stskeeps: well I understand that, but still it would be nice :) and if it's just a page where we can see the activity in the github repos all in one | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | that i agree on | 13:38 |
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| Venemo | morning | 14:01 |
| Venemo | fun fact: I can't disable cellular data on my jolla | 14:01 |
| Venemo | if I disable it with the switch in Settings, the Jolla will turn it back on again after a while | 14:01 |
| flanag | I think that's a known problem | 14:02 |
| Venemo | dunno, just sayin | 14:02 |
| Venemo | I noticed it the day before yesterday, but I thought maybe I forgot to disable it for that night | 14:02 |
| Venemo | but it happened again and again | 14:02 |
| Venemo | has someone reported this on together yet? | 14:03 |
| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/26311/mobile-internet-connect-while-disabled/ | 14:03 |
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| Venemo | wow | 14:04 |
| Venemo | poor guy | 14:04 |
| Venemo | fortunately, at least I have a data plan | 14:04 |
| flanag | yeah | 14:04 |
| Venemo | but when I turn it off, I want it off | 14:04 |
| flanag | I'm not sure if the people at Jolla have noticed this | 14:05 |
| Venemo | meh, this is pretty serious | 14:05 |
| flanag | I sure hope they have | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's getting looked into | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | we read irc and together | 14:05 |
| flanag | ah, good to know :) | 14:05 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: btw, what happened to the swipe bug? I don't recall seeing its fix in the changelog? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | just a tiny bit of caution needed and testing, if you blow up connectivity, you blow up any chance of update | 14:05 |
| flanag | I think I asked this before too but didn't get an answer, what's the "swipe bug"? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: which one | 14:06 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: the one we found at FOSDEM | 14:06 |
| Venemo | flanag: swipe gestures stop working for a while | 14:06 |
| w00t | Venemo: not everything gets mentioned in the changelog | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | i didn't notice it just yet | 14:06 |
| w00t | but yes, there was some work on it | 14:06 |
| flanag | Venemo: ah, ok, I've heard about that, haven't seen it myself though | 14:07 |
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| Venemo | flanag: lucky you :) | 14:18 |
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| Almindor | how do you debug on the device? I always get "debugger fail" (it does run the app ok tho) | 15:16 |
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| coderus | #sailfishos is the right channel for dev questions :) | 15:20 |
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| coderus | this one is for user experience | 15:21 |
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| ottulonen | coderus: didn't see on bugtracker/comments, you aware of the notification bar bug & message ordering? | 15:47 |
| ottulonen | in mitakuuluu ofc | 15:47 |
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| ln- | i don't want to advertise my own ticket too much, but imho it deserves more than one vote in a month: https://together.jolla.com/question/30497/localize-category-names-in-the-store/ | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | ln-: why not? you got my love | 16:04 |
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| ln- | thanks | 16:05 |
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| Almindor | ln-, voted too ;) | 16:19 |
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| clau2 | does anyone know what the delivery time for Jolla in Europe is currently? | 16:25 |
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| ggabriel | interesting that the shop doesn't say any more | 16:28 |
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| Nightmare__ | uploaded a new Version of TabaTimer including 3 Ring TimePickers :) https://openrepos.net/content/nightmare/tabatimer | 16:37 |
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| stephg_j | hey cybette where in the world are you :) | 17:28 |
| Pnuu | in ternet | 17:28 |
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| ggabriel | ok, i am going to this pub thingy in the end | 17:29 |
| ggabriel | but will arrive at around 7pm | 17:29 |
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| coderus | ottulonen: notification ordering? | 17:31 |
| coderus | its not a bug, its whatsapp feature | 17:31 |
| Almindor | how do you use jabber/XMPP with jolla? I set up my account in accounts, now what? I don't see any XMPP related things in the people app | 17:31 |
| coderus | Almindor: swipe up to notifications, pull down, select presence. | 17:32 |
| ottulonen | coderus: notification at top of screen says "%1 new messages" or smt instead of the actual number | 17:32 |
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| coderus | ottulonen: notifications bug same with https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/156? | 17:32 |
| Almindor | coderus: yes, I'm listed online, but how do I add a friend's account? | 17:32 |
| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/181 them | 17:32 |
| coderus | then* | 17:32 |
| stephg_j | ggabriel: will wait for you | 17:33 |
| ggabriel | Almindor: go to people application, select the world icon | 17:33 |
| ottulonen | ah, the latter yes, didn't see it there when I looked for it | 17:33 |
| ggabriel | stephg_j: will you be the one with a jolla? :) | 17:33 |
| stephg_j | one of them ;) | 17:33 |
| ggabriel | Almindor: you should see your online contacts. i'm not sure whether you can add new contacts though, haven't tried that | 17:34 |
| Almindor | ggabriel: that lists all people I already have, but I need to add a friend to see a friend on jabber first | 17:34 |
| ggabriel | Almindor: then try to add the jabber id with the people application, but not sure if that's an available feature tbh | 17:34 |
| ggabriel | it wasn't in 1.0.3.8 | 17:34 |
| coderus | Almindor: its not implemented | 17:34 |
| Almindor | ok so basically it's a read-only thing for now | 17:35 |
| coderus | you can use only existing roster for now | 17:35 |
| ggabriel | well, you can chat :) | 17:35 |
| Almindor | is video planned? | 17:35 |
| coderus | afaik no | 17:35 |
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| ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/5766/xmpp-audiovideo-call/ | 17:35 |
| ggabriel | if you vote, maybe | 17:35 |
| Almindor | done | 17:36 |
| ggabriel | some say it's available but needs UI work | 17:36 |
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| ottulonen | coderus: other bug: contact has slightly different time set in their phone, the messages are sorted again according to time when I return to the chat from another app | 17:36 |
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| ottulonen | so messages that were initially in the correct order are moved around due if the first message was sent "later" due to time setting on their phone | 17:37 |
| coderus | anyone developed qt5 plugin library? qt plugin, not qml extension. | 17:37 |
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| ottulonen | I believe it is caused by the fix for this: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/136 | 17:38 |
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| coderus | ottulonen: its not "slightly different time set" | 17:44 |
| coderus | its server delay | 17:44 |
| coderus | you can move clock to half hour to test | 17:44 |
| coderus | messages timestamp set on server | 17:45 |
| coderus | and its right timestamp | 17:45 |
| ottulonen | hmm | 17:46 |
| ottulonen | thing is, my gf sent me a message and I asked a question after that | 17:46 |
| coderus | my plugin problem is Q_PLUGIN_METADATA not functioning. it just take no effect | 17:46 |
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| ottulonen | after I switched between apps my question got moved before her message | 17:47 |
| coderus | then your phone time is wrong | 17:47 |
| ottulonen | :D | 17:47 |
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| coderus | outgoing messages saved by local timestamp | 17:48 |
| coderus | reeived by server timestamp | 17:48 |
| coderus | received* | 17:48 |
| ottulonen | well, it doesn't let me set by the second, so not something I can fix too easily | 17:48 |
| coderus | what about autocorrection? | 17:49 |
| coderus | its a best feature ever | 17:49 |
| ottulonen | well, I'll see if that helps | 17:49 |
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| flanag | why aren't you using it already? | 17:49 |
| ottulonen | flanag: not sure, I haven't had an issue with the clock so I didn't actually remember if it was on or not | 17:50 |
| flanag | ah ok | 17:50 |
| stephg | right | 17:54 |
| stephg | pubtiem cybette ggabriel anyone else in here | 17:54 |
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| netzvieh | is there the possibility to hide android apps in the store? | 18:10 |
| flanag | there's no way to hide them atm | 18:12 |
| Teme | there are android apps in the store? :D | 18:12 |
| netzvieh | hmpf | 18:12 |
| netzvieh | Teme: yes, they have a small android symbol beneath them | 18:13 |
| Teme | aha okay, never installed any | 18:13 |
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| stephg_j | ah jolla dating | 18:28 |
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| stephg_j | I am stood at the bar in a stripey blue and white tshirt ;) | 18:29 |
| keithzg | haha | 18:29 |
| netzvieh | it should've been red and white | 18:29 |
| keithzg | netzvieh: Naw, it's the white-back ambience. | 18:30 |
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| netzvieh | keithzg: ah, didn't know that, only used poppy red until now ;) | 18:31 |
| stephg_j | sadly the stripes are horizontal not vertical | 18:32 |
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| keithzg | netzvieh: Lucky, my country-of-preorder is Canada so I never got the option for it, settled for the default | 18:32 |
| keithzg | stephg_i: Heh. In fairness, vertical stripes often look . . . kindof weird on a person. | 18:32 |
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| netzvieh | keithzg: well there should be better alternatives soon, if i had the skill I would have a custom made by now... but sadly i don't :D | 18:34 |
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| skvark | hmm my Jolla started to flash screen randomly | 18:38 |
| keithzg | netzvieh: hah, you and me both; tempted to try and track down a 3D printer somewhere and get one printed out, just to have another color at least. I like the look of the Aloe one but no shipping to Canada, alas. | 18:39 |
| netzvieh | It takes for ever to connect via ssh for me -.- | 18:39 |
| stephg_j | wow hail | 18:40 |
| netzvieh | skvark: I think there are some posts on tjc about it | 18:40 |
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| stephg_j | netzvieh: ssh long connections are 9/10 dns usually | 18:42 |
| netzvieh | keithzg: hmm I think I would like to have an image or somethink like it on it | 18:42 |
| stephg_j | though the setup on the jolla seems sane to me so far | 18:42 |
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| netzvieh | stephg_j: well this shouldnt be dns ;) ssh nemo@192.168.0.13 :D I'll throw a -vvv at it probably | 18:43 |
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| stephg_j | no name resolution and timeout on the server side is what i mean | 18:43 |
| stephg_j | why .13 also? | 18:43 |
| netzvieh | because it's the IP it got via dhcp | 18:44 |
| stephg_j | ah 0.13 | 18:44 |
| stephg_j | misread as 2.13 and the usbnet | 18:45 |
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| skvark | netzvieh: yeah, same as in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-h8GKv8zk | 18:58 |
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| skvark | at least the random shutdowns disappeared after the last update | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | skvark: define flash screen | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | static? | 19:02 |
| skvark | hmm this is strange, battery dropped about 50% after reboot | 19:02 |
| skvark | Stskeeps: same as in that video, goes dark about every 4-5 secs kinda flashy, there's different color stripes before it goes to black and starts again | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | skvark: rpm -q --info aliendalvik | 19:04 |
| FireFly | I'm getting pretty incredible uptime since latest update | 19:05 |
| FireFly | as in, low battery consumption | 19:05 |
| * FireFly likes | 19:05 | |
| keithzg | Hmm, I copied two albums over to my Jolla the other day, both with cover.jpg in their respective folders, but only one is showing said cover. The one not showing is significantly larger (766 KiB) than the one that shows (65 KiB). | 19:06 |
| skvark | Stskeeps: what I should find from that? | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | skvark: version | 19:06 |
| * tbr is also very happy with battery consumption and didn't notice significant changes | 19:06 | |
| skvark | 0.7.1 | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: one of the few | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | skvark: ok, known issue then | 19:06 |
| skvark | Stskeeps: ok, good to know | 19:07 |
| stephg_j | what tbr said | 19:07 |
| skvark | any fix available? | 19:07 |
| netzvieh | well after factory reset & updating again my consumption is back on par with 1.0.3.8 or even slightly better :) | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | skvark: time :/ | 19:08 |
| netzvieh | keithzg: do they have the cover in the tags? | 19:08 |
| * Aard ponders now if I should downgrade to 1.0.4.20 to see how my battery consumption would be | 19:09 | |
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| tbr | Aard: or I could upgrade to whatever you run and compare with you ;) | 19:09 |
| stephg_j | Aard: you big tease ;) | 19:10 |
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| skvark | Stskeeps: ok, I'll wait :) it's related to aliendalvik? I haven't used any android apps for a week or so | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | skvark: a reboot might sorti t | 19:12 |
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| skvark | Stskeeps: yeah just rebooted nut battery dropped after it 50% which is interesting too | 19:12 |
| skvark | but* | 19:13 |
| keithzg | netzvieh: Nope, don't think so, both of these are FLAC files downloaded from purchases on Bandcamp. At least, metaflac --list --block-type=VORBIS_COMMENT doesn't list any image. | 19:13 |
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| keithzg | netzvieh: I stand corrected, I should've been looking in --block-type=PICTURE, oops. But regardless, both albums have it. Hmm. | 19:17 |
| netzvieh | well that's strange. I haven't had the problem with cover in tags | 19:21 |
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| netzvieh | I recall there being a problem with AIFF tags from beatport though | 19:21 |
| netzvieh | but that was a general tag problem | 19:21 |
| netzvieh | keithzg: https://together.jolla.com/question/30984/album-art-in-media-player-randomly-does-not-show/ | 19:22 |
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| keithzg | netzvieh: Aha, so my first guess was vaguely correct, large coverart doesn't show up. Wonder if it's actually the filesize, or rather the dimensions (and if it's tracker choking or just the Media app). | 19:35 |
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| Tumeezi | Anyone Jolla engineer wake up? | 19:40 |
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| Tumeezi | My phone don't say anything if I double tap screen... | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | are you covering the proximity sensor by chance? | 19:41 |
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| Tumeezi | Stskeeps I try on light, on dark.. Diffetent positions | 19:42 |
| Tumeezi | Not work | 19:43 |
| Tumeezi | I try reset phone | 19:44 |
| Tumeezi | same problem | 19:44 |
| Tumeezi | double tap not work | 19:44 |
| flanag | power button works completely normally though? can you double tab in browser for example? does the screen switch off in call if you put the phone on your ear? | 19:46 |
| Tumeezi | Yea, button works right | 19:46 |
| flanag | test those other situations ^ and tell what happens | 19:46 |
| Tumeezi | Yea screen switch off in call | 19:47 |
| Tumeezi | but | 19:47 |
| Tumeezi | its not wake up if di douple tap | 19:47 |
| Tumeezi | if I* | 19:47 |
| flanag | can you double tab elsewhere (in browser)? | 19:47 |
| Tumeezi | I can't test now because i update third times Ohijärvi... | 19:48 |
| flanag | ok | 19:48 |
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| Tumeezi | Now it's ohijärvi | 19:49 |
| Tumeezi | okey | 19:49 |
| Tumeezi | I test browser double tap? | 19:49 |
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| flanag | yup | 19:49 |
| Nekron_ | any1 knows when s/ os sdk will be updated? | 19:50 |
| Tumeezi | Lol it's work now... This phone do that second time. | 19:50 |
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| Tumeezi | I talk this about jake9xx... | 19:50 |
| Tumeezi | Double tap working now.. It's so wierd... | 19:51 |
| flanag | hmm | 19:51 |
| Tumeezi | Same light, same position and it's work | 19:51 |
| Tumeezi | 5min ago doesn't work | 19:52 |
| Tumeezi | So wierd... | 19:52 |
| Tumeezi | weird* | 19:52 |
| Tumeezi | Can anyone explain this? | 19:54 |
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| Tumeezi | Now connection problem... I reset my phone and it don't find my sim-card | 19:57 |
| Tumeezi | intresting :D | 19:57 |
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| netzvieh | Tumeezi: on 1.0.0.5 or on 1.0.4.20? | 19:58 |
| Tumeezi | 1.0.4 | 19:59 |
| netzvieh | have you rebooted you phone after the upgrade? | 19:59 |
| Tumeezi | Yea i reboot now and 3g works | 20:00 |
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| kimju | heh, one wlan network here with captive portal displays your mac, endpoint type, vendor and os after succesfull login. for Jolla it say Endpoint Type: Mobile, Vendor: Nokia, OS: Maemo. I wonder where those came from :D | 20:06 |
| kimju | (for a Samsung android phone it says Endpoint type: Smartphone, Vendor: Unknown, OS: Android) | 20:07 |
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| netzvieh | hmm dunno, the mac for wlan0 is from Jolla Ltd. | 20:30 |
| netzvieh | maybe it's in the packet sent to the router or smth | 20:30 |
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| keithzg | Whoo! I manually added albumart to an album! | 20:42 |
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| keithzg | I had entirely forgotten that tracker just saves a copy of the art in a deterministic way (in ~.,cache/media-art, with a filename derived by md5summing sanitized artist and album names). Easy enough to just plunk down one's own copies there. | 20:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Trivial. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I do it in my head. | 20:50 |
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| keithzg | Hehe | 20:55 |
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| jake9xx | Nekron_: soon. We are entering testing phase soon | 21:06 |
| jake9xx | Nekron_: and when it comes out, it'll be loaded with all kinds of stuff that have been requested from us | 21:07 |
| flanag | talking about update 5? | 21:07 |
| netzvieh | flanag: about sdk | 21:08 |
| Nekron_ | thanks for the info... ! | 21:08 |
| flanag | ah | 21:08 |
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| Venemo | hm | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | evening Venemo | 21:11 |
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| mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/xEblxiz | 21:12 |
| Venemo | my N950's screen just decided to get borked :( | 21:12 |
| Venemo | good evening Stskeeps :) | 21:12 |
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| tigeli | kimju: it probably uses the browser's useragent to detect the device | 21:13 |
| Morpog_PC | 'ääööl8k | 21:14 |
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| Tumeezi | Why Jolla browser use 1 year old engine | 21:17 |
| Tumeezi | Gecko 19 | 21:17 |
| flanag | it's 29 now? | 21:18 |
| Tumeezi | Ya | 21:18 |
| Venemo | it was recently upgraded | 21:18 |
| Tumeezi | flanag 29 is newest | 21:18 |
| Tumeezi | Jolla use 19? | 21:18 |
| flanag | I know and Jolla uses it | 21:18 |
| flanag | uses 29 | 21:18 |
| Tumeezi | o.O | 21:18 |
| Tumeezi | Hmmh | 21:19 |
| flanag | the browser was updated in 1.0.4.20 | 21:19 |
| kimju | tigeli, probably, or something that the javascript on the login page can dig out. the UA-string seems to contain "Maemo", so maybe the captive portal has mapping maemo = nokia. | 21:19 |
| Tumeezi | Ah sorry flanag | 21:19 |
| Tumeezi | I read wrong :D | 21:20 |
| Tumeezi | I read it is 19 :D | 21:20 |
| Tumeezi | Oh okay nice (Y) | 21:20 |
| Aard | Venemo: completely dead? | 21:21 |
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| Venemo | Aard: not completely | 21:24 |
| Venemo | Aard: but it seems the N950 was bored in my drawer and spent the past few months developing two ugly lines where pixels are dead | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/46327768770/senior-engineer-handling-the-upgrade - jolla? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 21:24 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: which one of the two is the engineer? | 21:25 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/80154019491/the-day-before-the-deadline | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: who'd you like it to be :> | 21:25 |
| mord | that's definitely an architect at the wheel | 21:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: pfft, -after- the deadline | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:26 |
| mord | (or perhaps the sales guy) | 21:26 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: the monkey bit in that picture might be #w content | 21:27 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: yeah, anyway, that site is a goldmine | 21:28 |
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| kimju | Venemo, seems that the n950 are starting to rot.. mine has been stuck in a boot loop since Sunday. | 21:37 |
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| Venemo | kimju: it's a pity | 21:38 |
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| Venemo | well, not that I use it for anything anyway | 21:38 |
| kimju | I still used it as my main phone. | 21:39 |
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| stephg_j | is bed tiem! very happy to finally meet cybette, ggabriel and sledges in person, hope you all had a fab time in the pub | 23:14 |
| stephg_j | for the record I was only 15mins late and I wasn't in (too much) trouble ;) | 23:14 |
| stephg_j | anyway,happy friday night to everyone | 23:15 |
| GentSir | Hanging out with fellow geeks in a bar sounds like quite a good time | 23:16 |
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| mfulz | anyone using the smpc mpd client? | 23:39 |
| Jettis | i'm using | 23:41 |
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| mfulz | can you just control or listen to the music with it? | 23:49 |
| mfulz | becaue it has a stream port but it seems to do nothing | 23:50 |
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| Jettis | i'm just controlling with it | 23:56 |
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