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| AL13N | junnuvi: did you get any results? | 02:44 |
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| junnuvi | AL13N: yes, I already pm those for you | 03:23 |
| junnuvi | 1053 packets transmitted. 1050 packets received. 0% packet loss. time 3520734ms | 03:24 |
| junnuvi | no dups at all | 03:24 |
| junnuvi | test period was one hour as I had to leave wlan coverage after that | 03:24 |
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| Venemo_j | hm | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | morn Venemo_j | 07:03 |
| Venemo_j | first bug of the new update | 07:03 |
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| Venemo_j | if you leave the calendar app running through the night, it will forget to update which day is today | 07:04 |
| Venemo_j | morning Stskeeps :) | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | nice one | 07:04 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: how're you? :) | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | waking up, getting my bearings, continuing | 07:05 |
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| Stskeeps | studying android wear a bit | 07:07 |
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| Sidde | Venemo_j: mine is updated. Maybe it updates after some time | 07:09 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: android wear? | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, you didn't see the announcement? | 07:16 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: no, what announcement? | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://developer.android.com/wear/index.html | 07:18 |
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| AL13N | junnuvi: thanks, maybe there is something wrong with my phone after all... | 07:20 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: I see | 07:21 |
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| pp_ | Stskeeps: god, now the adnetworks will destroy your privacy by telling advertisers what you are wearing! | 07:30 |
| junnuvi | AL13N: or problem on wlan? | 07:31 |
| pp_ | "Now he's in his smart underwear, time for pr0n" | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | pp_: boom chicka wow wow | 07:32 |
| AL13N | junnuvi: i have this on several networks | 07:32 |
| jussi | haha | 07:32 |
| jussi | smart underwear - makes it look bigger on cue..... :P | 07:33 |
| zutto | smart underwear - scratching on demand | 07:34 |
| jussi | haha | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | zutto: now that's something patentable | 07:34 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: so jolla is investigating wearables now.. | 07:35 |
| * jussi runs off to tell the tabloids... | 07:35 | |
| jussi | :P | 07:35 |
| Pnuu | and now also sctrachables | 07:35 |
| zutto | they are? | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: i'm this kind of person who looks into everything | 07:36 |
| Pnuu | I should perhaps check some tutorials on writing.. | 07:36 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: :D | 07:36 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: I think those wearable things are overrated | 08:02 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: maybe I'm old fashioned... | 08:03 |
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| Venemo_j | power consumption is noticeably worse as of 1.0.4 | 09:08 |
| flux | I noticed yesterday that my battery was at 10%, after upgrading to 1.0.4 | 09:09 |
| flux | hungermeter indicated that it was consuming 1 watt | 09:09 |
| flux | I was in a dark room and top indicated nothing | 09:09 |
| flux | after reboot it returned back to 0 | 09:09 |
| flux | (I said 'dark room' because normally it takes 0.7 watts in a dark lit environment) | 09:09 |
| Venemo_j | mhm | 09:10 |
| Venemo_j | for me, sitting on IRC for 2 hours drained the battery by ~20% | 09:11 |
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| zutto | Venemo_j: if you're connected trought ssh, it drains battery quite fast | 09:12 |
| Venemo_j | I use the IRC app | 09:12 |
| zutto | ah | 09:12 |
| Venemo_j | I use SSL, though | 09:13 |
| Venemo_j | but the same app (same version of same app) consumed less on 1.0.3 | 09:13 |
| Acce | hmm.. after the update, I've gotten frozen UI twice :/ | 09:14 |
| Acce | green led blinkin | 09:14 |
| Acce | all apps get closed | 09:14 |
| Venemo_j | hasn't happened to me | 09:15 |
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| Acce | how can I jump to the end of log with journalctl? the version on Jolla doesn't seem to support -e or -r flags | 09:18 |
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| Acce | glibc detected *** /usr/bin/lipstick: corrupted double-linked list: 0x0dc2a50 *** ? could this have something to do with the freezing | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | that's not supposed to happen | 09:21 |
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| Acce | Stskeeps: already known bug? | 09:22 |
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| Quu | i have had all apps closed couple time | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | Acce: i'd like your journal badly | 09:26 |
| Quu | "captains log" | 09:26 |
| Acce | will do :P | 09:26 |
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| Acce | journalctl -qa is the command which spits out what you need, right? | 09:27 |
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| Acce | is there a way to use the journalctl --since and --until flags on Jolla? | 09:33 |
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| locusf | I'd use -b, since last boot | 09:38 |
| Acce | locusf: it doesn't seem to work, it only shows entries since 11:14 something | 09:39 |
| Acce | even though I haven't rebooted | 09:39 |
| Acce | few minutes ago there were entries for before that time too | 09:40 |
| locusf | hmm | 09:40 |
| Acce | using -n doesnt seem to help either | 09:40 |
| Acce | the logs are not persistent by default? | 09:47 |
| Acce | well, journalctl gives me only about last 30 minutes of logs.. so unfortunately the part where that lipstick error happened is gone.. | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok, next time around | 09:53 |
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| Acce | yep | 09:53 |
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| Venemo_j | I just got an alarm that I didn't set up | 10:01 |
| Venemo_j | wtf | 10:01 |
| Venemo_j | its title was the name of a contact | 10:01 |
| flux | birthday? | 10:02 |
| Venemo_j | it might have been a birthday | 10:02 |
| Venemo_j | but it had the alarm sound, not the calendar reminder sound | 10:02 |
| locusf | yeah I had those pop up too on in a while | 10:03 |
| Venemo_j | and it ringed, despite my jolla being in silent mode | 10:04 |
| Venemo_j | :( | 10:04 |
| Venemo_j | my worst fear just came true | 10:04 |
| Venemo_j | I can no longer trust the jolla to stay quiet in a classroom | 10:04 |
| Venemo_j | :( :( | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | alarms ring even when on silent, yep | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | I noticed that in one class :D | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | but that was my fault | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds a bit weird if it's alarm sound | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug please | 10:05 |
| phaeron | Venemo_j: you made it silent from the volume buttons or from the "ringtone" volume in settings ? | 10:05 |
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| Stskeeps | or in pulley menu -> silence sounds? | 10:05 |
| Venemo_j | phaeron: I used the pulley menu on the lockscreen | 10:05 |
| Quu | yeah, calendar alarms are fucking horrible | 10:05 |
| Quu | facebook bday alarms yay. | 10:06 |
| Venemo_j | phaeron: alarms still go off with sound (which is OK), but calendar reminders shouldn't | 10:06 |
| flux | personally I like to keep my cell silent at nights, but still expecting the alarms to wake me up :), though that invisible alarm seems like a bug. | 10:06 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: yes, I used the pulley | 10:06 |
| goroboro | Quu: 1 January... 700 birthday alarms | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | worst hangover, ever | 10:06 |
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| stephg | \o/ | 10:06 |
| phaeron | Venemo_j: ok that sounds like a bug yes | 10:07 |
| goroboro | Stskeeps: lol | 10:07 |
| ballock | I thought the alarm sound on even when silenced is a feature :) | 10:08 |
| Venemo_j | ballock: it is a feature | 10:08 |
| Venemo_j | ballock: but birthday reminders should be silent | 10:08 |
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| goroboro | unless its my mum's birthday... then that alarm had better ring out loud... or I am dead meat | 10:09 |
| ballock | I tend to agree with the both of you :D | 10:10 |
| ballock | that's also why I (would) like different ringtones per callers | 10:11 |
| goroboro | default should be to disable all birthday alarms... and then manually set an alarm on a birthday if you want a reminder | 10:11 |
| Venemo | the trouble is, you can't get rid of birthday reminders, even if you turn off the birthday calendar | 10:11 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/29909/bug-jolla-reminds-you-of-birthdays-even-if-birthays-calendar-is-disabled/ | 10:11 |
| Venemo | this, combined with the new bug: | 10:12 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/34593/bug-birthday-reminders-in-104x/ | 10:12 |
| Venemo | means I can no longer trust the Jolla to remain silent in a classroom | 10:12 |
| Venemo | that is pretty horrific for me | 10:12 |
| goroboro | stop going to class | 10:12 |
| Venemo | goroboro: sorry that is not funny | 10:12 |
| goroboro | Venemo: missing sense of humour much? | 10:13 |
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| ballock | darn, I guess you need to quickly hack buteo to not alarm at all | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: voted for both | 10:13 |
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| Nicd- | aren't birthdays all day events? when does the alarm fire? | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | the day before, midnight? | 10:13 |
| intekula- | hello, I just got my jolla, how hard do i have to pull to get the other half off? I've lift both bottom sides. I'm scared I might break something | 10:13 |
| goroboro | heh.... my gf's android phone goes ballistic at midnight | 10:14 |
| goroboro | alarms galore | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | intekula-: don't fear, just pull it | 10:14 |
| goroboro | intekula-: quite hard... take it from the bottom left corner | 10:14 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: randomly | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | if it breaks, it's a warranty issue | 10:14 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: ouch | 10:14 |
| Teme | intekula-: it fits quite snugly, but put your fingernail under the toh in the left hand corner and lift | 10:14 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: sometimes a few days before the actual birthday, sometimes on the day, sometimes both | 10:15 |
| Teme | bottom corner, that is | 10:15 |
| goroboro | yeah... I think it clips in a little too well | 10:15 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: at least I haven't been able to find out any logical tendency in it | 10:15 |
| intekula- | It was stuck around the volume button, but I applied more and more pressure til it came off :) | 10:15 |
| goroboro | I suffer the same fear every time I take TOH off the back of my phone | 10:15 |
| Teme | since it seems to be able to take the stress so far, i think it's optimal | 10:15 |
| * goroboro worries about long term wear and tear | 10:16 | |
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| ggabriel | fwiw, a months old jolla other half fits a lot better on the phone after replacing it dozens of time than a brand new sony xperia sp | 10:17 |
| Venemo | here's the other one: https://together.jolla.com/question/34601/bug-birthday-reminders-are-inconsistent/ | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | so go figure | 10:17 |
| Venemo | intekula-: I was pretty afraid at the first few times, too | 10:18 |
| Venemo | intekula-: I just learned to live with it | 10:19 |
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| intekula- | Venemo: it's probably a good thing, so that it won't come off by accident | 10:21 |
| Venemo_j | yeah | 10:23 |
| Venemo_j | it is | 10:23 |
| intekula- | oh god my old phone was too old. My SIM is too big :p | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | lol | 10:25 |
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| Teme | intekula-: you can temporarily cut it to the right size | 10:26 |
| Teme | while you're waiting for your operator to ship a micro-sim | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | you don't simply temporarily cut anything | 10:27 |
| Teme | hardi har har.. i meant temporarily while you get a real card :D | 10:28 |
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| Teme | then toss the old one | 10:28 |
| intekula- | Teme: I've already ordered a new sim, but not because I knew of this. But my old operator has gone out of business and is cancelling all services at the end of this month | 10:28 |
| Teme | cool so you got that covered already | 10:28 |
| Teme | apply scissors and start enjoying your Jolla :P | 10:28 |
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| suosaaski | intekula-: what if your sim was too small, would the new phone be too old then? | 10:31 |
| intekula- | suosaaski: only me being to happy with scissors then | 10:31 |
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| ottulonen | can anyone tell me what exactly do the new mitakuuluu cover actions do? I get the shutter icon, but the other side? | 10:35 |
| ottulonen | coderus ^? | 10:35 |
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| w00t | o/ all | 10:41 |
| minimec | ottulonen: Looks like you can toggle your availability between 'available', 'unavailable', 'available when app running'. It was mentioned on this channel... | 10:41 |
| coderus | ottulonen: ^^ | 10:42 |
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| leinir | for those who like gaming and whatnot, The Bard's Tale is free app of the day on amazon today :) | 10:44 |
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| ottulonen | coderus: thanks, wasn't around when it was mentioned and couldn't find it on openrepos/tmo/jollausers | 10:44 |
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| Venemo_j | hey w00t :) | 10:45 |
| Milo- | https://together.jolla.com/question/34560/bug-alarm-sounds-only-once/ this is a critical issue :( | 10:46 |
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| Milo- | anyone have a workaround to that, which doesn't involve being able to wake up instantly when the alarm goes off.. | 10:46 |
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| Pnuu | change the alarm tone to a longer one :-P | 10:47 |
| ln- | two hours? | 10:47 |
| Milo- | Pnuu Alarm rings for 1 minute, then it gives up. | 10:48 |
| Pnuu | and that's not enough..? | 10:48 |
| Milo- | nope | 10:48 |
| Pnuu | right | 10:48 |
| ln- | it's not nearly enough | 10:48 |
| ln- | it's barely better than no alarm at all. | 10:48 |
| Milo- | deep sleep, might not be able to hear the sound the first time around | 10:49 |
| Milo- | which is why auto-snooze after that 1 minute is necessary | 10:49 |
| JvD_ | this is critical since we have not seen Milo- at work before lunch | 10:51 |
| JvD_ | at least for last two days | 10:51 |
| zutto | lol :P | 10:52 |
| junnuvi | :D | 10:52 |
| zutto | late at work, blame the phone! | 10:53 |
| Milo- | :P | 10:53 |
| Acce | Someone make an alarm app for the deep sleepers | 10:53 |
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| Milo- | JvD_ it's only critical because I have a car. | 10:53 |
| zutto | doesnt android market have tons of them? | 10:53 |
| Acce | or wakeup TOH | 10:53 |
| tbr | alarmclock-ToH, with one of those wind-up alarm clocks strapped to the back ;) | 10:54 |
| coderus | ottulonen: i hate writing manuals :) | 10:54 |
| JvD_ | with integrated tazer | 10:54 |
| Milo- | JvD_ hmm, not a bad idea. | 10:54 |
| Pnuu | bucket-o-water-TOH | 10:55 |
| zutto | hmh | 10:55 |
| zutto | anyone made sticky-TOH yet? | 10:55 |
| zutto | one that sticks to everything? :P | 10:55 |
| zutto | like tape | 10:55 |
| Acce | zutto: nice, but putting it in your pocket would be problematic | 10:56 |
| zutto | well, if they made such TOH, you wouldnt have to put it to your pocket ;o | 10:56 |
| Mnsu_ | stick it outside your pocket then? :) | 10:56 |
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| ln- | obviously you wouldn't neet to put it *in* your pocket | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | zutto: spiderman-TOH | 10:57 |
| Pnuu | spiderpig-TOH | 10:57 |
| zutto | thats a good name for it Stskeeps :P | 10:57 |
| kimmoli | peräsmies-TOH | 10:58 |
| Milo- | kimmoli I'm afraid to ask what that would do 8) | 10:59 |
| Pnuu | kimmoli: :-D | 10:59 |
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| Pnuu | made out of radioactive peasoup | 10:59 |
| inz | The fart app was a success on iOS, so I guess a peräsmies-TOH would also be | 10:59 |
| kimmoli | i made my alarm.clock.sound mp3 so annoying and cranked volume up in the mp3 too. i wake to that, i dont wake to jolla own whisper-sounds | 11:00 |
| Acce | real farts.. face the reality, iOS users! | 11:00 |
| Milo- | My main issue was that after 1.0.4.20, I couldn't select my id3-tagless audio file to be my alarm sound. | 11:02 |
| Milo- | but no, man does not simply wake up in 1 minute. | 11:02 |
| Venemo_j | great, jolla forgot my google calendar etirely | 11:02 |
| Pnuu | Milo-: I do the waking-up during walking to bus stop :-D | 11:04 |
| Milo- | yeah, I don't have that kind of auto-pilot software. | 11:05 |
| Quu | i have stupid sleeping habits | 11:05 |
| Quu | when my brain thinks its time to wake up, i wake up | 11:06 |
| Quu | and then i am hyperactive for 3 hours and the tiredness strikes again | 11:06 |
| Milo- | my brain heavily disagrees with the alarm clocks. as JvD_ once witnessed 8) | 11:06 |
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| Venemo_j | the day view of the calendar app is broken too | 11:17 |
| sardini | I just discover that the sdk don't update all file a second time. A file like script.js is not updated, even if I change something in it. | 11:17 |
| Venemo_j | I'm starting to think that yesterday's release date was too early | 11:17 |
| sardini | need to change it manuelly by ssh on sdk | 11:17 |
| sardini | manually | 11:18 |
| stephg | sardini how did you deploy? | 11:19 |
| stephg | Venemo_j, what's broke about it? looks alright to me? (but I don't have events in it beyond FB birthdays) | 11:19 |
| sardini | ctrl+r on qtcreator and test on emulator | 11:20 |
| Nightmare__ | btw: if someone has an expired whatsapp account: delete account + login with symbian client, subscription is extended for free :) | 11:22 |
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| stephg | sardini, but which deploy method | 11:23 |
| stephg | copy binaries, rpm deploy, what? | 11:23 |
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| sardini | ahh ok :) Deploy by copying binary... well spotted stephg :) | 11:24 |
| stephg | :) | 11:24 |
| Nightmare__ | with deploy by coping binaries, i had the same problem with qml files, the were not updated, restart sdk solved it | 11:25 |
| stephg | have a tinker with that then, hope it solves it | 11:25 |
| sardini | this was my contribution to the community ^^ | 11:25 |
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| zbenjamin | is there a app already that shows me what app is draining the battery? | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | there's powertop (CLI) | 12:32 |
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| stephg | zbenjamin in addition to that there's hungermeter | 12:35 |
| stephg | (which shows battery usage, but not per app) | 12:35 |
| zbenjamin | yeah i saw hungermeter, but i need to find what is draining my batter, only 6 hours since i disconnected it from the loader and i'm at 60% without doing anything with the phone | 12:36 |
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| zbenjamin | stephg: i think there should be a system deamon collecting some stats, like its done on android | 12:37 |
| stephg | zbenjamin, don't think the data gathering is in yet underneath | 12:37 |
| stephg | in any case, if something has run away | 12:37 |
| stephg | it'll be obvious with top(1) in a terminal anyway | 12:38 |
| zbenjamin | how do i get powertop | 12:39 |
| stephg | it's in mer-tools I think | 12:39 |
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| stephg | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 step 5 | 12:41 |
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| Sail0r | "Problem with the store" | 12:56 |
| Sail0r | is it already known? | 12:56 |
| stephg | Sail0r, works for me | 12:58 |
| Sail0r | hm | 12:58 |
| Sail0r | "general communication problem" here | 12:58 |
| stephg | is your wireless laggy? | 12:59 |
| Sail0r | but all other things are working | 12:59 |
| Sail0r | nope | 12:59 |
| Sail0r | anyway I just wait for a while ;) | 12:59 |
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| stephg | I've noticed that if my wireless is bad the store can seem to stop working when things like IM are fine | 13:01 |
| flanag | I got a sudden shutdown today with the new update.. can anyone explain me, how could removing the battery for 10 minutes help? what does it do? (hey, Stskeeps) | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: think for a moment about your phone - it's off, but what listens to the power button? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: there's a chip handling power that's always on; and it has state of it's own | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | 10 minutes makes sure that we try to kill that as well as we can | 13:04 |
| tbr | and yes, a couple of seconds /should/ be enough, but want to be sure that there was no capacitor or other charge left anywhere or something in some memory cell? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 13:05 |
| phdeswer | correct | 13:05 |
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| flanag | Ah, thanks for the explanation. Stskeeps: The instructions in the release notes say that if taking the battery off for 10 minutes doesn't fix it, I should contact Care. Why is that? Is it because Jolla is adamant that all the issues regarding this are fixed and if one gets a reboot now, it's a completely different problem? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: because in case it's not what we fixed, it might be a different issue | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | so we think it's best to go through the care | 13:07 |
| flanag | Ok, understood. I'll try taking the battery off. Can you specify the fixes you made with 1.0.4.20 regarding this? It would help me understand what the problems were about. Did they have something to do with connection? Or something else? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: i'm the wrong person to ask about that, but there's a lot of rpm -q --changelog you can peek into | 13:09 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: about the thirdparty repo issue with this latest 4th update, has there been a bug reported about this to make this a non issue for upcoming releases? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | Kiranos: yes | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | Kiranos: the tragedy of it was that 1.0.4 store client handles this | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | so if it had happened first after 1.0.4.. no problem | 13:10 |
| Kiranos | oh ok so the update itself fixed the issue for the furute | 13:10 |
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| Sailor967 | after update battery doesn't last anymore.. 9 hrs and 50 % | 13:10 |
| Kiranos | I still havent touched third party repo because of how it might impact my phone | 13:11 |
| Kiranos | though I really want that 2g/3g switcher | 13:11 |
| Kiranos | :) | 13:11 |
| TMavica_ | anybody got a problem when receive msg in mitakuuluu? | 13:11 |
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| flanag | I wonder what all these battery problems are about.. Mine seems to be as good if not better than before. | 13:13 |
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| Pnuu | a friend of mine complained also that after the update the battery drains much faster | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, we factually update regularly now with synchronization etc | 13:15 |
| Pnuu | during the night -40% | 13:15 |
| flanag | well, even the syncing shouldn't cause that | 13:16 |
| phdeswer | https://together.jolla.com/question/34510/severely-increased-battery-drain-after-10420-update/ | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 13:16 |
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| netzvieh | Well, I wanted to set a locking code yesterday, and it asked for my security code -> no idea what I set there. Will a factory reset clear that code? | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | netzvieh: locking code == security code | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | i presume | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | if you haven't ever, ever set one, send your device to care | 13:21 |
| netzvieh | Stskeeps: well I haven't activated locking, so I have still full access to my device. But I think it asks for a security code when you first setup it? I just have no idea what I set there | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't do that when first setup, no | 13:22 |
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| netzvieh | hmm strange. maybe I set it but just forgot it, but it sounds as if a factory reset should get rid of it | 13:24 |
| Wnt | does factory reset ask for that code too? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | it does, i think , and no, it doesn't get rid of it, afaik | 13:25 |
| inffy_ | it will ask you the code when try to reset it :) | 13:25 |
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| netzvieh | hmpf. indeed it does. | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | if you have never set it, it's something we'll fix in care -- there's always a risk some data bit got flipped in production process | 13:26 |
| netzvieh | ah it was the birthday of my brother :D | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so you :P | 13:33 |
| netzvieh | well it could be a lot of bitflips :P | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | or your brother | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:33 |
| netzvieh | well he's eleven and only touched this phone under my supervision, so i'm afraid it's my fault | 13:34 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: what happens if one forgets the lock code? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: care, probably | 13:46 |
| Venemo_j | uh | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: in practice, same goes for anybody stealing a locked jolla phone, it should be worthless for the one taking it.. | 13:46 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: yep, that I agree with :) | 13:47 |
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| netzvieh | Stskeeps: will there be a direct update from stock to 1.0.4 since it's out of beta now? | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | no, it will go <factory release> -> 1.0.2.5 -> 1.0.4.* afaik | 13:53 |
| netzvieh | jep it does. just wondering why it does that | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | 1.0.0.5's store client isn't very intelligent | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's to ensure proper upgrade | 13:54 |
| circ-user-rifdN | Hi there. | 13:54 |
| circ-user-rifdN | I've run into: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 13:55 |
| circ-user-rifdN | After solving it, I did a factory reset via telnet which succeded. I then tried to update to 1.0.2.5 but the update progress bar doesn't progress. Is pulling the battery a wise idea and starting with a new factory reset? | 13:55 |
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| flanag | How long has the progress bar been stationary? | 13:57 |
| circ-user-rifdN | Oh wait, it seems it just didn't update the indicator. It just rebooted. | 13:57 |
| flanag | great :) | 13:57 |
| circ-user-rifdN | Time solves all issues, like usual :P | 13:57 |
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| circ-user-rifdN | Now on to 1.0.4.2 :P | 13:57 |
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| netzvieh | mine is still downloading *sigh* jolla needs more bandwidth :D | 14:08 |
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| Venemo | heyy | 14:09 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/34695/bug-calendar-app-thinks-that-sequential-events-overlap/ | 14:09 |
| Venemo | and here is a screenshot: http://venemo.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=9e9c5b0cd2652b99a37773eff280104a | 14:09 |
| Venemo | so the calendar app is - by my book - officially declared as broken | 14:10 |
| circ-user-rifdN | Yes it looks broken. Outch. | 14:10 |
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| circ-user-rifdN | May I ask, have you setup your whole cloud stuff on owncloud? Calendar, contacts, mail etc? | 14:11 |
| pp_ | heh, my calendar was just really bloated (events 38* in the database and didn't show up :-) ) | 14:11 |
| Venemo | circ-user-rifdN: unfortunately, Jolla can't sync calendar / contacts with owncloud (or it couldn't, last time I checked), so unfortunately no | 14:12 |
| Venemo | pp_: please report that to together | 14:12 |
| circ-user-rifdN | Not even with Syncevolution? | 14:12 |
| Venemo | circ-user-rifdN: I never bothered to try | 14:12 |
| Venemo | circ-user-rifdN: I just use owncloud for sharing random files with random people | 14:12 |
| circ-user-rifdN | Oh okay. I did, but for Google stuff for a two way sync. I haven't own cloud setup, I'm not a friend of CLI stuff | 14:12 |
| pp_ | already is https://together.jolla.com/question/33975/bug-google-calendar-not-showing-all-events/ | 14:13 |
| Venemo | circ-user-rifdN: later on, maybe I will switch to it when the jolla can sync with it | 14:13 |
| circ-user-rifdN | Yay, I'm random :D | 14:13 |
| Venemo | pp_: voted | 14:13 |
| circ-user-rifdN | If only owncloud did a proper interface and GUI For setup | 14:13 |
| Venemo | circ-user-rifdN: I'm not quite fond of owncloud, but I don't know any better alternatives which would be as easy to set up | 14:13 |
| circ-user-rifdN | Same here. I'm still with google, as I have to keep my 808, Jolla, N9 and N900 in sync | 14:14 |
| circ-user-rifdN | And at least Symbian lacks any chance for proper owncloud sync for now | 14:14 |
| Venemo | yeah | 14:15 |
| Venemo | well, checking out some open source groupware is on my todo list, but haven't gotten there yet | 14:15 |
| Venemo | so it seems the calendar app has seriously regressed since 1.0.3 | 14:16 |
| Wnt | Raim: do yoou have build instructions or binaries for the non-fuse exFAT driver available somewhere? They might help at least this guy: https://together.jolla.com/question/6130/reformatting-micro-sd-card-inside-phone-settings/#comment-34696 | 14:18 |
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| circ-user-rifdN | This one? https://github.com/raimue/exfat-nofuse | 14:21 |
| Wnt | circ-user-rifdN: yes, but looking for Jolla specific build instructions or binaries | 14:22 |
| circ-user-rifdN | sec | 14:23 |
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| circ-user-rifdN | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1417470&postcount=40 | 14:24 |
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| circ-user-rifdN | Oh wait, that's the fuse ones... You want the nofuse ones... | 14:28 |
| circ-user-rifdN | No idea | 14:28 |
| minimec | Is tere a way to edit the 'contacts' file/database, and if yes, where would I find that file? | 14:29 |
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| roboro | minimec... its a sqlite db... hold on for the path | 14:36 |
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| roboro | minimec... mmm hold on... I think I was thinking of commhistory.db | 14:38 |
| roboro | but I see its not in there | 14:38 |
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| roboro | I have seen this once before... can't remember where now | 14:39 |
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| minimec | roboro: What about this one? ./.local/share/csd/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/2af8d843b29fef8f72741425d854fe14.sqlite | 14:42 |
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| roboro | I don't have that... so probably not that one :) | 14:42 |
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| minimec | roboro: Definitely ... ;) | 14:43 |
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| minimec | roboro: Ok. Found that one here... .local/share/commhistory/commhistory.db | 14:47 |
| minimec | roboro: So you don't have that file? | 14:47 |
| roboro | yeah... that doesn't store contacts... just events | 14:47 |
| roboro | sms etc | 14:47 |
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| minimec | ok | 14:48 |
| roboro | minimec: .local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite/contacts.db | 14:49 |
| roboro | I'd be careful mucking with it too much | 14:50 |
| minimec | roboro: I was just going to have a look in that privileged folder. THX | 14:50 |
| aranea | Hi. Suddenly it isn't possible anymore in the "People" app on my Jolla to categorize the phone numbers of a contact (home/work/mobile). I'm not sure why. Could this have something to do with the OS update? | 14:51 |
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| aranea | Other changes I did in the meantime were the addition of an XMPP account and changing the SIM card. | 14:53 |
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| minimec | roboro: I just had a look @ a copy of that file. Wanted to know if I could add the Facebook account manually, but they are not in there... | 15:10 |
| roboro | mmm I don't really play around with facebook stuff... you should probably ask on #sailfishos | 15:12 |
| minimec | roboro: THX. I might consider that. | 15:12 |
| Kiranos | just got my phone today, cant create an account for the phone, guess its because of the update? | 15:15 |
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| Kiranos | the account you can either create or just sign on with is it the same account you buy the phone with? | 15:22 |
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| minimec | Kiranos: I guess it is that one you have to use... https://account.jolla.com/ | 15:30 |
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| Kiranos | minimec: thanks , and the yandex store, you have to visit its website to install the shop app? | 15:32 |
| Nicd- | Kiranos: no | 15:32 |
| Nicd- | Kiranos: install "android support" from the jolla store, it will install yandex store too | 15:33 |
| minimec | Kiranos: Nope. The app comes preinstalled with the 'jolla android support'. You can create an account in the app itself. | 15:33 |
| Kiranos | ok thanks | 15:34 |
| Kiranos | guess I'll have to wait for a few days to actually be able to create my account lol | 15:34 |
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| Nicd- | Kiranos: you use the same account that you bought the phone with | 15:35 |
| Kiranos | Nicd-: cant use it to login | 15:36 |
| Kiranos | not here either https://account.jolla.com/ | 15:36 |
| Kiranos | but it works in the store | 15:36 |
| Nicd- | hmm | 15:37 |
| Kiranos | cant create an account with the email either, you use email as login name? | 15:39 |
| Kiranos | this is stupid | 15:39 |
| Nicd- | there's a separate account name (it's not the email) | 15:39 |
| Nicd- | dunno what's going on with it | 15:39 |
| Kiranos | hm can it be the together account | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | together accepts the jolla account at least | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | so it's the same | 15:42 |
| Kiranos | ah ok thansk | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | not sure you need the email address tho | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | store account != jolla account fwiw | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | confusing? yes :) | 15:42 |
| Kiranos | very confusing | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | so, you have at lesat 3 types of accounts with jolla: | 15:43 |
| Kiranos | now lets see where I can change my together password :) | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | 1. jolla | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | 2. shop.jolla.com | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | 3. zendesk | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | i'd change it via jolla.com | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | jolla.com; scroll down, jolla account | 15:44 |
| Kiranos | there it is thanks | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | np | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | basically that account is a type of sso | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | that's used with jolla | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | clearly the sailors couldn't implement it for their ecommerce store | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | (not that it's trivial to do anyway) | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | and zendesk is zendesk | 15:45 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: Nicd-thanks got in now! | 15:45 |
| Kiranos | seems like you cant create an account with email address as you name | 15:46 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, mine doesn't have that | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | more privacy :P | 15:46 |
| Nicd- | I hate accounts where my email is the account name | 15:47 |
| Nicd- | what happens when I change my email? | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: change email? what's that? gmail will always be there surely :) | 15:47 |
| Kiranos | its a by product from beeing used to android :P | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | on a serious note, most decent websites that take the email as your account name let you change it gracefully | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | well, most of the ones i used anyway | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: I'm actually going to switch away from gmail soon | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | and it'll be a lot of work to change all my accounts | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: hehe, i have a ton of email addresses | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | i switched everything from gmail to personal | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | surprisingly, only in a few cases I had to create a new account | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | I'm going to ditch all google service | 15:49 |
| Nicd- | +s | 15:50 |
| flux | what will you use for calendar then? | 15:50 |
| Nicd- | run OwnCloud and my own email server | 15:50 |
| intekulan | the jolla image viewer lists all my album art as photos, I don't like that :( | 15:50 |
| * ggabriel uses radicale - successful with the N9, works with iOS | 15:50 | |
| jussi | Nicd-: sounds nice. | 15:51 |
| Nicd- | also all storage will be encrypted | 15:51 |
| * ggabriel wonders if owncloud is safe enough, given that's all php | 15:51 | |
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| ggabriel | (altho one should be able to set up a proxy via ssh or something) | 15:52 |
| Kiranos | how is updates handled, can I somehow look for a new update? | 15:53 |
| Nicd- | Kiranos: OS updates? | 15:54 |
| Kiranos | yes | 15:54 |
| Nicd- | Settings app -> System -> about product -> pull down | 15:54 |
| Plnt | Kiranos: you can trigger update check in settings under about product and pulley menu to check for updates | 15:54 |
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| Kiranos | thanks for all the help, installed android support app and it says installed ok but the menu where I see installed apps doesnt show a new android store app | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | you should have yandex | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | but i don't use android, so i'm gonna be clueless here ;) | 15:56 |
| Kiranos | its not there | 15:57 |
| Nicd- | Kiranos: what menu are you talking about? | 15:57 |
| Nicd- | in the store? | 15:57 |
| Kiranos | Nicd-: no by clock/settings etc | 15:57 |
| Kiranos | also cant I import contact from sim? | 15:57 |
| Nicd- | Kiranos: where? the app grid or the home view? | 15:58 |
| flanag | Kiranos: you can import contacts from sim | 15:58 |
| Kiranos | Nicd-: app grid | 15:58 |
| flanag | and on 1.0.4.20 it shows sim contacts by default in address book | 15:58 |
| Kiranos | flanag: oh nice | 15:59 |
| Nicd- | Kiranos: try rebooting | 15:59 |
| Kiranos | will upgrade then, cant find where to import sorry for all questions | 15:59 |
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| Nightmare__ | Kiranos, settings/apps/contacts -> import from sim | 15:59 |
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| ggabriel | tbr: do you mind if I add your pastebin in https://together.jolla.com/question/534/support-for-caldav-based-calendars-eg-google-calendar/ so that folks who want to play have instructions handy? | 16:00 |
| Kiranos | Nightmare__: thanks I was in the contacts from app grid, not the same options there when pulling down | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | gaa wc | 16:00 |
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| tj______ | is there a way to specify which item's name will be used in the people app when linking two entries? i.e. i have facebook and google accounts defined with some real people having nick name as facebook name so autolink by name doesn't work so two entries exists in the people app. i'd like to link the entries for these people so that name is from the google account. but no matter which way i do it (link the fb account to google and vice versa), the ... | 16:26 |
| tj______ | ... result is that the nick name from fb account is then shown on the phone | 16:26 |
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| inffy | tj______, seems that the answer is no | 16:32 |
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| tj______ | inffy, meh :/ wouldn't mind doing some command line trickery to change the displayed name | 16:39 |
| Kiranos | saw my new had 1.0.5 OS version could explain a few things :) Nicd-: got the adroid app store after reboot | 16:39 |
| Nicd- | 1.0.5? | 16:40 |
| tj______ | maybe one needs to figure out how contacts work on sailfishos and mayhe find a workaround then | 16:40 |
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| Kiranos | Nicd-: might have been 1.0.0.5 got an upgrade now to 1.0.2.5 and hopfully incremental upadtes | 16:41 |
| Kiranos | to curent | 16:41 |
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| inffy | 1.0.2.5 upgrades straight to 1.0.4.20 | 16:42 |
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| Kiranos | nice then it will only be one more after this | 16:43 |
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| netzvieh | tj______: you could rename them manually :P | 16:46 |
| tmynttin | Anyone else have current consumption issues after the update? | 16:49 |
| tmynttin | My device seems to consume battery maybe 30% faster... | 16:49 |
| inffy | netzvieh, i don't think that helps | 16:49 |
| clau2 | tmynttin: I had it yesterday | 16:49 |
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| flanag | there has been some reports on that, my battery consumption is fine though | 16:49 |
| clau2 | but today it looks better | 16:49 |
| PeperJohnny | tmynttin: it seems that it's draining faster than before | 16:50 |
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| tmynttin | clau2, did you switch off betweeb? | 16:50 |
| clau2 | don't think so | 16:50 |
| tmynttin | ok, well thx. i'll keep an eye on it :) | 16:51 |
| Teme | tmynttin: i've got the issue pretty mild, maybe 10-20 percent units more during the day than before | 16:51 |
| Teme | some people #elsewhere have even reported sudden drops and overall increased consumption | 16:51 |
| Teme | so you're not alone | 16:52 |
| tmynttin | using 'top' on terminal doesn't show up anything suspicious either | 16:52 |
| clau2 | hmm, twice since the update I got new emails, led + sound notifications, but the event is not present in Events screen | 16:52 |
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| Nicd- | who is Sailor8122 Sailor9303 Sailor9998? :D always joins as triplicate | 16:55 |
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| inffy | Nicd-, i quess just users who don't know how to configure theri IRC for Sailfish app? :) | 17:00 |
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| kjokinie | email sync can cause some extra power consumption vs. previous release.. check your sync interval in settings - apps - email | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | well, it looks like it's working most of the time now, maybe that's why :P | 17:04 |
| kjokinie | ggabriel: exactly | 17:04 |
| kjokinie | it now works also when device is in standby, so that will cause some extra hit to standby time | 17:05 |
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| flanag | and the update put it on automatic with 30 minute interval, so if you had it on manual before, check that | 17:06 |
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| kjokinie | but if anyone notices something weird in top or something, please report to together | 17:06 |
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| Kiranos | those with battery draining, you enabled calendare syncing? | 17:19 |
| Kiranos | with google calendar? | 17:19 |
| Teme | Kiranos: did not change settings | 17:19 |
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| Teme | do not know if it was active before | 17:19 |
| PeperJohnny | nah no google account activated on jolla | 17:20 |
| PeperJohnny | maybe the mail thing is enough as an explanation | 17:20 |
| Teme | google calendar not syncing | 17:20 |
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| Teme | i've got gmail configured though | 17:20 |
| sjtoik | the support is still partial | 17:20 |
| Teme | sjtoik: for mail or cal? | 17:20 |
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| sjtoik | for cal at least | 17:21 |
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| sjtoik | didn't see anything about webdav in the release notes | 17:21 |
| Teme | mail's been working flawlessly so far except for the occasional "account needs to be updated" or something | 17:21 |
| Teme | which was mentioned in the changelog as a known bug | 17:22 |
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| intekulan | I'm trying to change some stuff in about:config, but here be dragons screen is just shows me the upper right corner and i cant do anything | 18:01 |
| flanag | you have to make the changes in user.js (/home/nemo/.mozilla/mozembed) | 18:03 |
| intekulan | okay | 18:03 |
| flanag | (and that file has to be created there) | 18:04 |
| flanag | here's a little guide: http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file | 18:04 |
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| Kiranos | any keyboard that can display emoji icons? | 18:19 |
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| coderus | Kiranos: emoji keyboard by Penguin in openrepos | 18:46 |
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| Kiranos | thanks does anyone know if there is an easy way to install .apk files from a file browser rather that terminal? | 18:52 |
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| Kiranos | found a browser thanks | 18:53 |
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| Nightmare__ | "file brwoser" an "filetug" | 18:57 |
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| Sail0r | store down? | 19:00 |
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| ggabriel | not for me | 19:01 |
| Sail0r | my wlan is worse since the update :-/ | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | bluetooth on? | 19:01 |
| Sail0r | nope | 19:01 |
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| Quu | my wlan got bit more stable | 19:02 |
| Sail0r | http://nopaste.info/16b154df22.html | 19:03 |
| Sail0r | it's doing this every few seconds | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Sail0r: what apps do you have open? | 19:05 |
| Sail0r | Messages, Email, Store, Gallery and Media | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok, open an android app, what's open in that one (the two squares over eachother) | 19:06 |
| Sail0r | ah the app from a car rental company | 19:07 |
| Sail0r | in the window where it trys to find location | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | try to disable it, does your wifi improve? | 19:08 |
| Sail0r | disabled it and looks like it's stable now | 19:08 |
| Sail0r | i try the store one moment | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | because gps may trigger a 3g data connection for SUPL | 19:08 |
| Sail0r | now store works | 19:09 |
| Sail0r | thx :) | 19:09 |
| Kiranos | is it a known bug that only one android app is shown in multitask window? | 19:09 |
| Kiranos | I run two but only one is shown | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's .. complex | 19:09 |
| Sail0r | I should get rid of the android apps ;) | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | not a bug as such but design implication | 19:09 |
| Kiranos | ok to much battery drain? | 19:10 |
| Kiranos | like having quasseldroid and spotify on in multisask | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | click the squares over eachother thing, the apps are running inside | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | but android multitasking doesn't allow two to render at same time | 19:10 |
| flanag | but would it be possible to have "fake covers" to ease the app switching? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: probably | 19:11 |
| ggabriel | probably too much effort to implement android like sailfish too imho | 19:11 |
| Sail0r | what can cause this problem? Fatal error: File './rpms/harbour-tasklist-0.9.5-1.armv7hl.rpm' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/SbJ/armv7hl/?credentials=store' | 19:12 |
| Kiranos | like deleteing images and the five second "oh no I did not want to remove that" grace period :) | 19:12 |
| eleroux | cartonphilippe: PM pour la procédure de réanimation :) | 19:13 |
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| ggabriel | eleroux: fo shizzle | 19:13 |
| ggabriel | :P | 19:13 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: sounds... interesting... | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: refresh | 19:14 |
| Kiranos | anyone know if there is a together feature request to have the official email client to add support for hours it wont fetch new emails? | 19:14 |
| Kiranos | or atleast stop notifies | 19:14 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: probably, search :) | 19:14 |
| Kiranos | did and did not find :) | 19:14 |
| Kiranos | k-9 does this really well | 19:15 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos: then open one... worst case scenario it'll get duplicated | 19:15 |
| Kiranos | yea I'll look alttile more and then open | 19:15 |
| Sail0r | it's very interesting Stskeeps | 19:16 |
| Sail0r | because there is a newer version in store | 19:16 |
| Sail0r | which my jolla did not show | 19:16 |
| Sail0r | and it wanted to download the 0.9.5 version | 19:16 |
| Sail0r | but after the refresh | 19:16 |
| Sail0r | it installed 0.9.6. | 19:17 |
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| Sail0r | maybe a problem with reporefreshing? | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: well, bug -> together.* | 19:17 |
| Sail0r | My teammate and my friend have the same problem | 19:17 |
| eleroux | ggabriel: elegant :) | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: store should be able to find the correct work naturally | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | er, app | 19:19 |
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| Sail0r | reported it to together | 19:22 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/34843/apps-from-store-dont-update/ | 19:22 |
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| ggabriel | oh no | 19:25 |
| ggabriel | marc started talking about update5 already | 19:26 |
| ggabriel | brace yourselves | 19:26 |
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| Nicd- | the complainers are coming? | 19:30 |
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| Sail0r | http://nopaste.info/e6d55f9c53.html is that bad or good? Or can be ignored | 20:07 |
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| stephg | Sail0r, don't know the context of the question but looks harmless enough? | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | just wanted to ask if this is something bad or only informational :) | 20:12 |
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| stephg | IM(uneducated)O ignore it :) | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Sail0r: it means you have a wifi and ssh open likely | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:13 |
| Sail0r | :P | 20:14 |
| Sail0r | what's qseecom? | 20:14 |
| Sail0r | camera? | 20:14 |
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| * stephg *sighs about everything in life being difficult* | 20:15 | |
| cvp | :) | 20:15 |
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| roboro | I just released a TVHeadend client on openrepos... its all done in QML so far... | 20:21 |
| roboro | needs a load of work... but if anyone has a TVHeadend server... give it a whirl | 20:22 |
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| * roboro wishes that more python libs were packaged for sailfish | 20:28 | |
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| Acce | oh no, red blinking now | 20:31 |
| Acce | froze during playing angry birds | 20:31 |
| Acce | this time I should have persistent logs.. | 20:32 |
| cvp | its a anti nsa security... :p | 20:33 |
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| Acce | the backlight is off, but I can see the game screen if I look at it under light | 20:35 |
| cvp | maybe a sensor bug ? | 20:38 |
| cvp | can you play the game ? | 20:38 |
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| Acce | nope, it's completely frozen | 20:39 |
| Yaniel | red blinking == lipstick died afaik | 20:40 |
| Acce | hope the logs are not frozen.. let's try ssh | 20:40 |
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| Acce | yep, looks like only the UI (ie lipstick) is weird, ssh worked | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | I've had it a couple of times | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | red blinking and the screen going blank | 20:41 |
| Acce | yeah, but I thought they did something to it in last update | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | then after a while green blinking and shortly after that the screen came back on as if nothing happened | 20:42 |
| Yaniel | all apps had crashed though | 20:42 |
| Acce | I've had green blinking too | 20:42 |
| Acce | and apps crashed, just like you say | 20:42 |
| flanag | how full is your internal memory? https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 20:42 |
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| Acce | could very well be a memory problem; it's almost always full without having any or few apps running | 20:43 |
| Acce | but I thought it's because preloading | 20:43 |
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| flanag | well, I mean the internal sd card | 20:44 |
| flanag | if you have a look at that ^ | 20:44 |
| Acce | nope, plenty of space in internal flash still | 20:45 |
| Acce | 6.8 G used only | 20:45 |
| flanag | ok, it shouldn't be that then | 20:45 |
| Acce | hmm.. "mce[773]: modules/display.c: mdy_stm_step(): ui stop failed, retrying" | 20:47 |
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| Acce | that's probably what causes it, plus another mce error | 20:48 |
| cvp | is there a solution for adblocker on 10420 ? | 20:49 |
| flanag | I think someone just said that they needed a newer version(?) | 20:49 |
| spiiroin | Acce: the way it goes is: mce starts display off->on transition, it will be finalized when lipstick replies to "you can draw now" ipc. if the reply does not come -> led starts blinking, i.e. the mce side just notes lipstick is not reponding fast enough | 20:51 |
| flanag | cvp: ah, no, I probably was just imagining about that, look here: https://together.jolla.com/question/33931/adblock-doesnt-work-after-ohijarvi-update/ | 20:51 |
| Acce | spiiroin: so it's a known problem? can I restart lipstick from the shell without reboot? | 20:52 |
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| spiiroin | Acce: and when/if the lipstick replies, the the display turns on and led blinking ceases | 20:53 |
| Eztran | flanag: not sure you were imagining it, thought I saw that somewhere too. | 20:53 |
| spiiroin | Acce: yes, if running as nemo "systemctl --user restart lipstick.service", as root "systemctl-user restart lipstick.service" | 20:54 |
| Acce | well, I don't see anything in the journal until the mce informs that lipstick didn't reply | 20:54 |
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| Acce | spiiroin: ok, thanks | 20:54 |
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| flanag | Eztran: it's a relief that my memory seems to still work then :) | 20:54 |
| spiiroin | Acce: it is exactly that "mce[773]: modules/display.c: mdy_stm_step(): ui stop failed, retrying" | 20:54 |
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| spiiroin | ... or similar "ui start failed" | 20:55 |
| spiiroin | stop failed -> red blinker; start failed -> green blinker | 20:55 |
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| Acce | spiiroin: yes, and before that this: "mce[773]: modules/display.c: mdy_renderer_set_state_cb(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error. | 20:55 |
| Acce | NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the mes | 20:55 |
| Acce | sage bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." | 20:56 |
| Acce | humm, lipstick.service doesn't want to restart.. | 20:56 |
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| Acce | ok, now it recovered | 20:56 |
| cvp | flanag: it works by me | 20:57 |
| cvp | or moment... | 20:57 |
| spiiroin | that is just more or less standard "something went wrong" from dbus; since lipstick is not autostartable -> timeout / lipstick died | 20:57 |
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| Acce | spiiroin: ok, thanks for explanations | 20:59 |
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| spiiroin | Acce: btw, if you hit that again, check if lipstick is just stuck or consuming cpu | 21:00 |
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| Acce | ok, by the time I checked it with top, lipstick was already dead I guess, since it didn't show up | 21:01 |
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| cvp | flanag: ok der dont load the chrome site / | 21:02 |
| cvp | :( | 21:02 |
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| flanag | cvp: what do you mean? what site? | 21:03 |
| cvp | chrome://adblockplus/content/ui/subscriptionSelection.xul | 21:03 |
| Eztran | maybe it's been moved in the more recent version? | 21:05 |
| flanag | could be | 21:05 |
| cvp | ok about:config not work | 21:06 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: opened an issue now: https://together.jolla.com/question/34899/email-client-quiet-mode-no-notifications-between-set-hours/ | 21:07 |
| cvp | is there no config file on the phone what we can edit ? | 21:07 |
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| flanag | about:config has to be edited through user.js but I doubt that would help in this situation | 21:07 |
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| Kiranos | hm do I get a terminal without enabling developer mode? | 21:08 |
| Kiranos | cant find it | 21:08 |
| Sequenced | you have to enable developer mode | 21:09 |
| ottulonen | it's not there | 21:09 |
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| Kiranos | Sequenced: ok thanks | 21:11 |
| cvp | flanag: who can i find it ? | 21:11 |
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| flanag | don't know what happened there.. (disconnect), but cvp: /home/nemo/.mozilla/mozembed and you have to create the user.js yourself | 21:14 |
| flanag | but I doubt it helps in this situation | 21:15 |
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| cvp | ok :( | 21:17 |
| sledges | what type scifi? | 21:24 |
| sledges | wrong window :p | 21:24 |
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| cvp | flanag: what is if we configure all on PC version and push up to the phone ? | 21:28 |
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| flanag | you mean install the adblock on desktop firefox and then move the profile? I'm not sure about that | 21:28 |
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| intekulan | cvp: I tried to copy things from prefs.js from my desktop. Didnt work in user.js | 21:29 |
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| intekulan | namely private browsing | 21:30 |
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| flanag | I've successfully modified the viewport through user.js | 21:30 |
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| flanag | the mozembed differs from desktop firefox though, so everything (probably private browsing for example) won't work | 21:32 |
| ortylp | hi have just inserted new sim card and all android apps changed to German, how can I have sane language back? | 21:32 |
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| attah | ^dat bug | 21:32 |
| Quu | hue | 21:32 |
| Quu | ortylp: no can do, you need to learn german. | 21:33 |
| flanag | haha | 21:33 |
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| ortylp | Quu: I know German, it is my third language, but I do not want to see it on any device! | 21:33 |
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| attah | And you double checked that the system language is unchanged? And changed it back and forth maybe? | 21:34 |
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| ortylp | it was the first thing I confirmed, the system language is EN_UK | 21:35 |
| attah | and have you changed it back and forth? | 21:36 |
| ortylp | I'm hist doing that... Jolla is rebooting | 21:36 |
| cvp | is it possible di mod the Email App, want put any files in to attachment | 21:37 |
| cvp | di = to | 21:38 |
| ortylp | just changed to polish... Everything is in Polish now... it is even worse than German :( but there is hope | 21:39 |
| attah | :) | 21:39 |
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| Eztran | that's not what they mean by a 'polished UI', you know. | 21:39 |
| attah | you guys crack me up | 21:40 |
| ortylp | it works!!! changed to English, reboot and everything got back to normal :) | 21:40 |
| attah | well.. you got the symptoms to go away :) but that bug tho | 21:40 |
| ortylp | attah: is there a question/answer on Together about this? | 21:40 |
| attah | nope.. just handing out generic recommendations without anything to back them up ;) | 21:41 |
| * attah is not even a sailor | 21:41 | |
| ortylp | attah: OK, then I'll make bug entry on Together for this | 21:42 |
| Eztran | sure I saw something about Android apps using the SIM language ages ago, but dunno if it landed on Together. | 21:42 |
| attah | ortylp: great | 21:43 |
| attah | https://together.jolla.com/question/4536/why-are-all-my-android-apps-in-the-wrong-language/ | 21:44 |
| attah | there we go! | 21:45 |
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| ortylp | Quick poll: do you prefer your native language on electronic devices or you stay with English (if English is your native language, then... you are lucky) | 21:46 |
| Quu | yeah ok, thats what happens with android phones | 21:46 |
| Quu | it looks at operator/simcard and detects language | 21:46 |
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| attah | well.. as long as it is what i set it to.. i'm happy.. but i'm thinking of reversing my decision to go with my native swedish... got my mac on english now.. had swedish before, and except for the decimal point, i don't care | 21:48 |
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| Quu | time formatting is mostly why i dont use android devices in finnish :p | 21:49 |
| Quu | stupid 23.50 | 21:50 |
| netzvieh | so, where does sailfish save my account passwords? | 21:50 |
| Quu | sends them to NSA and Stskeeps | 21:50 |
| attah | Quu: what's the issue? not using colon? | 21:50 |
| netzvieh | Sts.keeps: I need my passwords, the nsa won't give me there backup :( | 21:51 |
| Quu | attah: yes. | 21:51 |
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| ortylp | I cannot stand Polish/German on any electronic device... maybe I am simply too old. As I was in school there was no software available in Polish, everything was in English... and German, well it came after that. | 21:51 |
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| Quu | and well, some/most of the translations are too poorly made | 21:51 |
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| Redge73 | #quit | 21:56 |
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| Quu | .. ok | 21:56 |
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| ortylp | The worst thing that happened to translations was decision of Microsoft to translate commands/functions in Excel, and LibreOffice even copied that concept. If you know how to navigate in English and everybody else has Polish or German then... | 21:57 |
| Quu | yeah, that happens. | 21:57 |
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| Quu | school excel in finnish + english books | 21:57 |
| ortylp | that had to be fun | 21:58 |
| Quu | very | 21:58 |
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| ortylp | but I assume you use English in Finland on dayly basis much more than it is/was in Poland | 21:58 |
| Quu | well, i live in middle-finland so i dont need to speak english | 21:59 |
| Quu | and thats why i cant pronounce anything properly | 21:59 |
| Quu | but irc is good way to learn english | 21:59 |
| alcedo | Am I right that there's no possibility to scan QR codes with the camera or did I miss something? | 21:59 |
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| Eztran | alcedo: https://openrepos.net/content/yoktobit/qrscany | 22:00 |
| attah | alcedo: a ton of android apps only.. | 22:00 |
| attah | well.. not only.. | 22:00 |
| alcedo | thanks | 22:01 |
| ortylp | alcedo: https://together.jolla.com/question/2221/add-qr-code-reader-functionality-in-basic-apps-or-as-a-separate-app/ | 22:01 |
| ortylp | so please vote and list alternatives in comments | 22:03 |
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| alcedo | Eztran: Any reason why this isn't in the official store? | 22:04 |
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| ortylp | by everybody, I need to go to work tomorrow... | 22:05 |
| Eztran | no idea, ask the creator I guess. | 22:07 |
| Tegu | yea I wonder that too. it's been out for a while already | 22:07 |
| Tegu | so it's not about the harbour delah I guess | 22:07 |
| Tegu | delay* | 22:07 |
| netzvieh | maybe it uses things not allowed in the harbour jet | 22:09 |
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| alcedo | Perhaps the author didn't bother because he expects it to be integrated soon | 22:09 |
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| alcedo | netzvieh: that could be, IIRC the version of SailOTP with QR support is missing from Harbour for that exact reason... | 22:11 |
| alcedo | well, anyway, doesn' matter that much | 22:11 |
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| alcedo | Does together.j.c use the same credentials as the Harbour, or are these separate account sets? | 22:14 |
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| cybette | alcedo: same credentials | 22:19 |
| alcedo | thanks | 22:19 |
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| alcedo | aww, I choose a long, randomly generated password for that account because I thought I'd never need it again... | 22:22 |
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| alcedo | were on the phone are these account settings stored? | 22:23 |
| alcedo | *where, for sure | 22:24 |
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| eye_a_uk_ | jolla )olla joh | 22:28 |
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| eye_a_uk_ | I have a faulty jolla I have not heard back from jolla care | 22:31 |
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| eye_a_uk_ | has any one here sent a jolla back got a reponse from jolla care | 22:34 |
| netzvieh | alcedo: a part of the account infos is there: .config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db | 22:34 |
| netzvieh | eye_a_uk_: have you written to care@jolla.com? | 22:35 |
| eye_a_uk_ | yes | 22:35 |
| netzvieh | less than a week ago? | 22:36 |
| eye_a_uk_ | yes | 22:36 |
| eye_a_uk_ | i am on my N9 for now | 22:36 |
| netzvieh | well then, you might have to wait a bit longer. I'm sure they won't forget you, they are probably still rather busy | 22:38 |
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| eye_a_uk_ | true | 22:39 |
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| alcedo | netzvieh: Thanks for the pointer. There seems to be everything relevant in there -- everything but the passwords... | 22:48 |
| netzvieh | yes :( | 22:48 |
| netzvieh | I'm looking for them too :D | 22:48 |
| netzvieh | but they are probably in an encrypted database | 22:50 |
| alcedo | ~/.vault/Accounts/ sounds promising, but there's nothing in there | 22:51 |
| alcedo | Is the source code of that part of the system available? | 22:51 |
| alcedo | that would be the easiest way to find it out... | 22:52 |
| Raim | alcedo: .vault is where the backup program stores its data | 22:53 |
| alcedo | ahh, thanks | 22:53 |
| alcedo | I'm just beginning to learn more about the innards of this phone..m | 22:54 |
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| netzvieh | :) | 22:55 |
| netzvieh | I don't think you'll be able to easily get your password from your phone | 22:56 |
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| cvp | UI are closed.... but source code open.... is it possible to edit the source so if we choose picture attachment , that we see and can choose all files like exe, apk, rpm, rar and more ? | 22:57 |
| cvp | https://together.jolla.com/question/34717/open-source-the-email-client/ | 22:57 |
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| netzvieh | (I want to insert credentials for an Account, but I'm afraid that I'll have to do that the official way ...) | 22:57 |
| alcedo | wait.. Backups you said? But there's nothing inside .vault/Accounts, even though I already made a backup?! | 22:57 |
| alcedo | Oh, I was wrong, there's a dot-directory inside | 23:01 |
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| alcedo | netzvieh: for what purpose? | 23:01 |
| louisdk | I really like my Jolla. However I wish I could add widgets to the notifications screen. Going to Settings every time I want to switch network settings is pretty annoying. | 23:05 |
| alcedo | netzvieh: What about .local/share/system/privileged/Keys? | 23:05 |
| netzvieh | alcedo: trying to get native caldave sync going | 23:05 |
| netzvieh | *CalDav | 23:06 |
| netzvieh | alcedo: well I think thats the id for the device, not a jolla acc | 23:07 |
| netzvieh | but I'm not sure | 23:07 |
| sledges | louisdk: every app cover is a widget. i'm sure someone will create a simple toggler app (sadly, only left and right gestures would toggle for now though) | 23:07 |
| alcedo | hmm, the really need to work on this. The dir itself is only accessible by the "privileged" user, but the backups are freely accessible... | 23:08 |
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| louisdk | sledges: Okay :) | 23:10 |
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| louisdk | Another thing I would like is to be able to hack the "lock screen" where the clock is. I would like the clock to be on top, so I don't need to take the phone completely out of my case. | 23:18 |
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| sledges | louisdk: we need nokia n9 type of enthusiasts, who will want to tinker with QML inside lipstick homescreen binary ;)) | 23:26 |
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| louisdk | sledges: Well to this stage, I'm pretty impressed about Jolla and I look forward to the future. | 23:28 |
| sledges | louisdk: future it is :) | 23:29 |
| netzvieh | so is it possible to tell the jabber client to accept untrusted certs? | 23:29 |
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