| Kabouik | /data/sdcard is empty, let's find the other step in logs | 00:00 |
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| sledges | vgrade: o/ | 00:00 |
| Kabouik | cd /data; rmdir sdcard && ln -s /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd sdcard done | 00:00 |
| HtheB | any idea sledges ? | 00:00 |
| vgrade | evening sledges , smooth ui in new release | 00:00 |
| sledges | Kabouik: yes | 00:01 |
| sledges | HtheB: no | 00:01 |
| sledges | vgrade: thanks | 00:01 |
| sledges | :) | 00:01 |
| sledges | Kabouik: you're set ! | 00:01 |
| Kabouik | So is that done? | 00:01 |
| Kabouik | \o/ ! | 00:01 |
| HtheB | Kabouik: :D | 00:01 |
| Kabouik | Now let's try whether the update to 1.0.4.idontremember works! | 00:01 |
| sledges | jap | 00:01 |
| HtheB | good luck! | 00:01 |
| HtheB | going to sleep now :) | 00:02 |
| Kabouik | Thanks a lot sledges, HtheB, #jollamobile, #earth :> | 00:02 |
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| HtheB | dont forget your mom | 00:02 |
| HtheB | she brought you on earth :p | 00:02 |
| Kabouik | Without which none of that would have been possible, ever | 00:02 |
| Kabouik | Thanks mum. I love you, ya know. | 00:02 |
| HtheB | or.... the white stork... | 00:02 |
| HtheB | :D | 00:02 |
| HtheB | good night all | 00:03 |
| sledges | n!n | 00:03 |
| sledges | :) | 00:03 |
| jabis | nini GtheB | 00:03 |
| Milo- | hah, still can't disconnect calls initiated by bluetooth headset :) | 00:03 |
| jabis | *H | 00:03 |
| Milo- | accidentally called my mother at 2 am.. | 00:03 |
| HtheB | Milo-: awkward :p | 00:03 |
| HtheB | o/ | 00:03 |
| sledges | Milo-: there are no coincidences :D | 00:03 |
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| sledges | (check the backscroll :)) | 00:04 |
| jabis | Milo-: hopefully you weren't doing anything... nasty... x) | 00:04 |
| Milo- | jabis yes, I always play with my bluetooth while doing something nasty O_O | 00:04 |
| jabis | then there's two of us :P | 00:04 |
| sledges | http://seinfeld-episodes.com/the-contest/ | 00:04 |
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| Milo- | actually, finnish word for "bluetooth pairing" does sound a bit nasty :) | 00:05 |
| Kabouik | Oh that's already better! Now I get the Sailfish progress bar during update, I didn't | 00:05 |
| jabis | glad to hear | 00:06 |
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| Kabouik | Thanks to you to jabis, sorry I forget some people to thank! | 00:07 |
| jabis | No thanks required :) Glad to help ^^ | 00:07 |
| jabis | I can't figure out with which app I'd now benchmark the battery-life now - forgot to run the battery as is to depleted before going with the governor and early suspend hacks x) | 00:08 |
| mfulz | is with the new update cal/carddav working other than google? | 00:09 |
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| jabis | oh noes - facebook calendar just populated my whole year x) | 00:10 |
| jabis | one thing I wouldn't've wanted in there :D | 00:10 |
| sledges | have same on 1.0.3.8 here jabis :) | 00:11 |
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| keithzg | Huh, it gets my Facebook calendar completely wrong, time-wise. | 00:12 |
| keithzg | An event at 7PM next Sunday shows up at 07:00 rather than 19:00, for instance. | 00:12 |
| keithzg | And hilariously shows an enddate of "1 January 1970 00:00", or in other words I assume UNIX timestamp 0, heh. | 00:13 |
| nander | Does it even use these settings jabis? | 00:14 |
| keithzg | The same event is also pulled through Google Calendar (since I have Google pull in all my events from Facebook) and shows up fine. | 00:14 |
| jabis | nander: haven't tested | 00:15 |
| sledges | gnite fellows o/ | 00:15 |
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| jabis | nini sledges | 00:15 |
| jabis | nander: it should respect them per TOH-sdk that I browsed earlier | 00:15 |
| nander | Are you sure there isn't some user directory for toh settings? | 00:17 |
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| jabis | as I said I'm not sure - haven't tested, I will test once my N9 running on Sailfish wakes up from its coma, where I can mess about as much as I like | 00:18 |
| jabis | was doing a battery test, and forgot about it the whole weekend - today looked and surprise - no battery x) | 00:19 |
| nander | Emptying your n9 battery is a bad idea if you have dual boot | 00:20 |
| keithzg | Hmm, does SailfishOS handle ext4-formatted SD cards fine? It's kindof bugging me that I have it formatted as FAT32, ie. the worst current filesystem other than HFS+ | 00:20 |
| nander | I still kinda like my n9 | 00:20 |
| nander | It's a beauty | 00:21 |
| jabis | nander: find / | grep ambience - couldn't see any user specifics as global options | 00:21 |
| keithzg | Or maybe I should use btrfs, the utils seem to be pre-installed anyways, and subvolumes and snapshots are godsends some times. | 00:21 |
| keithzg | nander: Yeah, my N9 is still (and may be for some time) my primary device, and I've never gotten sick of looking at it. | 00:21 |
| jabis | nander: mine is so busted, that I'll need to renew the battery and the screen before I can really use it for anything else than testing apps and battery life | 00:21 |
| nander | I think your find command is wrong | 00:22 |
| nander | Installing sailfish was really a bad move | 00:23 |
| nander | Is it possible to reset it to the normal bootloader? | 00:23 |
| nander | Ie fully factory reflash it | 00:23 |
| jabis | ran it as a root, worked like charm | 00:23 |
| nander | Haha, my bad | 00:24 |
| nander | I didn't copy, I typed it myself | 00:24 |
| nander | I'm not a native speaker | 00:24 |
| nander | I typed ambiance | 00:24 |
| jabis | well I had it running an open kernel already, so not much to trouble myself with - and I'd recall just flashing both emmc and the kernel to stock was an option even back from open mode | 00:24 |
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| nander | shouldn't my custom ambience be stored somewhere? | 00:25 |
| jabis | keithzg: it should handle ext4 just fine - only windows coughs up without an ext4 fs-driver | 00:25 |
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| keithzg | jabis: Just the thought of plugging a device of mine into a Windows machine makes my skin crawl, I'm not exactly worried about that ;) | 00:27 |
| keithzg | But that's only an issue if removing the card anyways, right? It's not like the Jolla exposes anything over MSC. | 00:27 |
| keithzg | 's all, MTP, right? Although I haven't gotten that to work at all, so I've just been using rsync over wireless, heh. | 00:28 |
| keithzg | And by "haven't gotten that to work" I basically mean "hmm, Dolphin doesn't seem to see it as an MTP device but it pops up briefly as 'camera:/' with no files...whatever I'll just open a terminal and use rsync ;) | 00:29 |
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| jabis | nander: http://pastebin.com/rBpvrVGG | 00:30 |
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| nander | I don't see a setting for the fade to black behind the application launchers | 00:33 |
| jabis | keithzg: ye AFAIK nothing gets out that you don't configure yourself :) | 00:35 |
| Kabouik | I'm not a fan of these new alpha values in covers and keyboard | 00:36 |
| Kabouik | But at least it's now updated! :] | 00:36 |
| jabis | nander: it's the opacity, so the last two chars in the color specs | 00:37 |
| jabis | at least that's what I'm getting an impression | 00:37 |
| jabis | of | 00:37 |
| Kabouik | You managed to change it? | 00:37 |
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| jabis | still not up that N9, won't do "testing" with my device :D | 00:38 |
| keithzg | jabis: Oh, I'm trying to tell it to connect via MTP, but it ain't workin'. But I'm just as likely to blame MTP for being a horribly broken "standard" as I am Jolla for the implementation, and hell, I'd usually rather use rsync anyways ;) | 00:38 |
| jabis | well at least rsync is hassle free | 00:39 |
| jabis | I think I'mma head to bed now | 00:44 |
| jabis | nighty night folks, and gl Kabouik on your upgrade | 00:44 |
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| Kabouik | It's done jabis! | 00:45 |
| Kabouik | And working :) | 00:45 |
| Kabouik | Good night to you | 00:45 |
| jabis | oh you managed it, good good, happy times ^^ | 00:46 |
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| Raim | keithzg: getting MTP to work seems to be even more challenging with 1.0.4.20, as the USB device ID changed to 2931:0a05 for the "PC connection" mode (previously 2931:0a01 which was added to the development version of libmtp) | 01:47 |
| Raim | I am not even sure if that was intentional as the product ID :0a05 is also configured for "qa_diag_mode", as it was before this update | 01:49 |
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| Aard | Raim: yes, the usb id was changed | 02:17 |
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| TMavica | is there a ambience option in setting?? | 04:32 |
| TMavica | i cant see it | 04:33 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 05:33 |
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| inffy_ | TMavica: i think there never has been | 05:34 |
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| TMavica | i see in mwc youtube there has | 05:59 |
| inffy_ | where? | 06:00 |
| TMavica | there is some youtube video showing | 06:01 |
| TMavica | demo | 06:01 |
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| jussi | morning all | 06:15 |
| jussi | sledges: when you wake up, if youve got any news for me about android devices, do get in contact | 06:16 |
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| Stskeeps | no news yet | 06:18 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: ok, thanks | 06:20 |
| jussi | just thought maybe with the update hitting you might be doing both | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | we'll probably select from the list of people at first, to get the maximum yield | 06:21 |
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| jussi | Stskeeps: mmm, fair enough. hopefully Im selected, I have several devices :) | 06:24 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: fantastic job with customer support here at #jollamobile! | 06:26 |
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| Kiranos | cant believe your up already :) | 06:26 |
| special | we've been thinking of moving him to full-time support | 06:26 |
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| chriadam | and Aard. he hasn't been very busy recently, and needs something to fill his time :-P | 06:28 |
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| chriadam | (I still haven't figured out when he sleeps) | 06:28 |
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| Pnuu | maybe he has android compatibility layer built-in | 06:29 |
| inffy_ | he doesn't | 06:29 |
| inffy_ | sleep :d | 06:30 |
| inffy_ | overrated etc | 06:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Kiranos: i have a small baby as alarm clock. 6am. | 06:42 |
| inffy_ | i have 2 dogs as alarm clock. 5:15am every morning :P | 06:42 |
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| covox | lol http://www.crn.com/news/mobility/300072056/sources-microsoft-in-talks-to-acquire-mobile-app-development-startup-xamarin.htm | 06:51 |
| covox | brown trousers time for anyone using mono in their stack :) | 06:51 |
| narchie | nice, successfully updtaed | 06:57 |
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| inffy_ | New Exchange ActiveSync policies introduced (lock time, minimum lock password length) what are the minimun lenght required? | 07:02 |
| inffy_ | my exchange account allows a 4 digit pin, but i can't seem to enable it on Jolla | 07:02 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: oh I had forgotten about your little one! congratulations for like... ages ago. | 07:04 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: did I tell you we have another on the way? | 07:04 |
| inffy_ | we have our first on the way | 07:05 |
| narchie | so, is Google calendar sync the only update in that front? | 07:06 |
| narchie | or is there somehting I'm missing | 07:06 |
| Kiranos | https://together.jolla.com/question/33507/release-notes-software-version-10420-ohijarvi/ | 07:07 |
| tbr | inffy_: it depends on your exchange setup. Is your account set for provisioning or is that disabled? | 07:07 |
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| inffy_ | didn't disable provisioningn | 07:08 |
| narchie | Kiranos: care to explain "automatically sync calendars"? | 07:08 |
| inffy_ | tbr: atleast on my Lumia it accepts the 4 digit pin | 07:08 |
| Kiranos | Im still waiting for my phone but its now two way syncing and I'm guessing a daemon polls google for updates | 07:09 |
| Morpog | narchie, only google calendar | 07:09 |
| Kiranos | narchie: ^ | 07:09 |
| narchie | it doesn't say it's excluvsive to google calendar | 07:09 |
| narchie | alright | 07:09 |
| Morpog | it does somewhere | 07:09 |
| Morpog | What's new | 07:09 |
| Morpog | Landscape mode in Email, Messages and Notes apps | 07:09 |
| Morpog | Two-way sync for google calendar | 07:09 |
| narchie | at the top yes but at the more detailed release notes just says "automatically sync calendars" | 07:09 |
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| narchie | oh well | 07:09 |
| Kiranos | where you hoping for caldav auto syncing? | 07:10 |
| narchie | yes | 07:10 |
| Kiranos | dont know status of that | 07:10 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: might know | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | no | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:10 |
| Morpog | :D | 07:10 |
| narchie | lol | 07:10 |
| Kiranos | or not :P | 07:10 |
| narchie | wow somehow I have already over 1000 photos | 07:11 |
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| jussi | narchie: selfies don't count :P :P :P | 07:11 |
| tbr | narchie: there's a package for that but no UI. It's in chum/testing right now | 07:11 |
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| narchie | tbr: nice, how do I enable that? | 07:13 |
| tbr | narchie: join #sync and ask | 07:13 |
| narchie | jussi: oh ok ;_; | 07:13 |
| minimec | Morning. I have some empty playlist file 'Phone.m3u8' in the media player, that I cannot remove. Also 'find /home/nemo -name Phone.m3u8' gives no result. Do you have an idea, where that file could be? Besides... The new update is rather cool! | 07:13 |
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| Stskeeps | minimec: try to look on microsd; also for Phone.m3u | 07:14 |
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| minimec | Stskeeps: Oh yeah. That would be /media/sdcard now right? | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | .. i don't recall | 07:15 |
| phaeron | yes | 07:15 |
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| minimec | Nothing too with find '/media/sdcard -name Phone.m3u8'. If I could simply delete it in the media player... Hm... | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | minimec: and .m3u? | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | without 8 | 07:17 |
| tabasko | how often gmail account updates? | 07:17 |
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| tabasko | cant find any settings for sync times etc | 07:17 |
| minimec | Stskeeps: No results in /home and /sdcard | 07:18 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 07:18 |
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| special | minimec: tracker-search *.m3u8? | 07:20 |
| special | (without the ?) | 07:20 |
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| minimec | special: no results. I did that command as user 'nemo'. It makes no sense to me to do it as root, right? | 07:22 |
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| special | right | 07:22 |
| minimec | Stskeeps: Really strange. Could there be some default playlist in /usr/share or something? Some place where user 'nemo' doesn't have write (delete) access. That would explain the fact, that I cannot remove it... | 07:23 |
| special | tracker wouldn't index /usr/share/ | 07:23 |
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| minimec | special: Yeah... but find should give me some results... But again nothing... | 07:26 |
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| Turski | tabasko: it's in application settings | 07:31 |
| Turski | tabasko: settings -> applications -> email | 07:31 |
| phaeron | minimec: tracker-search -m | 07:33 |
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| minimec | phaeron: Ok. I get a bunch of errors in combination with files like this: "(tracker-search:21298): Tracker-CRITICAL **: tracker_bus_fd_cursor_real_get_string: assertion `(_tmp0_ < _tmp2_) && (_tmp3_ != NULL)' failed" | 07:34 |
| phaeron | minimec: you can ignore those errors | 07:35 |
| phaeron | minimec: just grep for m3 | 07:35 |
| phaeron | for example | 07:35 |
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| minimec | phaeron: Doing that I only get these 'failed' errors without any files. With '| grep m3u8' I also get these error messages. | 07:37 |
| phaeron | not sure I understand | 07:38 |
| phaeron | sec | 07:38 |
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| minimec | 'phaeron: tracker-search -m | grep m3' gives me these error messages I pasted above, about 50 times... | 07:40 |
| phaeron | tracker-search -m 2>/dev/null | 07:41 |
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| jesperC_ | Hi, on my phone everything related to audio seems to be broken since the 1.0.4 update. No sound during calls or when using mediaplayer and no reactions from volume rocker. Anyone with similar problems? | 07:41 |
| minimec | phaeron: ok. Taht gives me a list of al my music files, but 'tracker-search -m 2>/dev/null | grep m3' gives no result | 07:42 |
| phaeron | ok instead of m try --music-albums , and --music-artists | 07:44 |
| phaeron | maybe .. | 07:44 |
| minimec | phaeron: would there be something like '--music-playlists' too? | 07:45 |
| phaeron | minimec: not that I can see | 07:45 |
| phaeron | but I am not an expert :D | 07:45 |
| phaeron | it's not in --help at least | 07:46 |
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| tango_ | I'm seeing an interesting behavior with fdroid in jolla: I can _install_ applications, but not _upgrade_ them | 08:02 |
| rangoy | Hi.. in the about page. does others see that the other half id come and go. maybe related to when i touch the back | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: 1.0.4.* ? | 08:02 |
| tabasko | tango_: maybe new "allow 3rd party apps" is disabled? :) | 08:02 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: just upgrade, yes | 08:03 |
| tango_ | tabasko: that would prevent them from installing too | 08:03 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: fdroid is the open-source app market for android, just in case | 08:03 |
| tango_ | it works | 08:03 |
| Mirv | Stskeeps: graphical performance is now much closer to perfect, thank you :) | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | Mirv: try with the GPU governor trick too, and also, it gets much better | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | [21:48] <Stskeeps> echo "performance" >/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor | 08:03 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: I can install new applications, but if (from within fdroid) try to upgrade one, it downloads the upgrade but does not install it | 08:04 |
| Mirv | Stskeeps: thanks! | 08:04 |
| TMavica | set governor when boot, the script: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1417072&postcount=393 | 08:04 |
| Mirv | on the road to perfection, then | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | Mirv: and we're not even on 5.2 yet | 08:05 |
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| gabriel9|work | so march update is scheduled for? :) | 08:05 |
| gabriel9|work | and good morning | 08:05 |
| Mirv | Stskeeps: yep, noticed that too | 08:05 |
| Mirv | gabriel9|work: ;) | 08:05 |
| Yaniel | gabriel9|work: yesterday evening | 08:05 |
| Mirv | Yaniel: I guess he joked about that being the Feb update | 08:05 |
| gabriel9|work | that was february :) | 08:05 |
| Yaniel | ah | 08:06 |
| gabriel9|work | :) | 08:06 |
| tabasko | Stskeeps: how much that will impact battery life? :) | 08:06 |
| Yaniel | I'm hoping for an update on april 1st | 08:06 |
| Mirv | Ubuntu has found the V4 on Qt 5.2 slightly tricky, but with 5.2.1 + patches it starts to look good again | 08:06 |
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| chriadam | Mirv: how about performance? I've been meaning to run the https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,64331 benchmarks against both 5.1 and 5.2 on device and test the difference, but haven't gotten around to it yet... have you done anything similar? | 08:09 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: so, any idea what I might want to look for? | 08:10 |
| tango_ | to debug the issue | 08:10 |
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| GentSir | Morning all | 08:11 |
| chriadam | hey gent | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: not offhand sorry, i don't really deal with android runtime | 08:12 |
| tango_ | k | 08:12 |
| Mirv | chriadam: I've only heard it's "good" (with only problem being slight slow-down of starting apps, but we don't have app startup accelerator yet anyway), but I've failed to see a doc about it | 08:12 |
| chriadam | ok | 08:13 |
| chriadam | when I get around to it, i'll post the results on the qt devlist | 08:13 |
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| Mirv | that should be interesting | 08:14 |
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| mcfrisk | too easy to find bugs in jolla, either testing is not done or upgrades result in different sw images/states on device | 08:24 |
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| Yaniel | ... did I just get bitten by DRM when trying to rip a CD? | 08:26 |
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| TMavica | how to format sd card? what the command? | 08:29 |
| Yaniel | fdisk | 08:30 |
| TMavica | may i know the full command | 08:30 |
| Jope | stick it in a pc | 08:30 |
| Jope | format it ther | 08:30 |
| Yaniel | ^ is easier | 08:30 |
| Jope | yep | 08:30 |
| Jope | find a windows pc and plug it in and it will ask you to format ti | 08:31 |
| Jope | if you have to ask, you will risk some other filesystem | 08:31 |
| Jope | if you don't have to ask, you'd have formatted it already | 08:31 |
| TMavica | i know can connect pc format | 08:31 |
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| TMavica | but i am lazy | 08:31 |
| TMavica | lol | 08:31 |
| Yaniel | don't be | 08:31 |
| TMavica | but seem cant see sdcard when connect to pc? | 08:32 |
| inffy_ | it's under /media/sdcard/ now | 08:32 |
| TMavica | ok | 08:32 |
| Yaniel | you might want to use a memory card reader though | 08:34 |
| TMavica | yes i know | 08:34 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: I've never had CDs refuse to be ripped, even copy controlled | 08:35 |
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| Yaniel | might just be that this app is broken then | 08:38 |
| Yaniel | last updated in 2010 so I guess it is to be expected :D | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | what OS, what software? | 08:38 |
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| Venemo_j | hey | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 08:40 |
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| pp_ | hmn, how do I force a full calendar sync? | 08:40 |
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| Venemo_j | thanks for the update | 08:42 |
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| Nicd- | pp_: go to account settings, select your account and accept. tried that? | 08:43 |
| Venemo_j | the changelog is pretty impressive | 08:43 |
| pp_ | think I did, it show events for some google calendars but not all of them | 08:43 |
| pp_ | ... or maybe it's only showing the first one | 08:43 |
| Nicd- | I don't remember who I talked with about the new app closing indicator, but I prefer it now that I see it for myself | 08:43 |
| pp_ | (despite several being enabled) | 08:43 |
| Nicd- | also the new lock indicator | 08:43 |
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| Venemo_j | the virtual keyboard is now much better, more visible even in sunlight | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | I'm not sure if I like the new app backgrounds in the multitasking view | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | they don't look as sleek | 08:48 |
| pp_ | yea, events in one calendar just don't show up, if I add one to it it works that way (and deleting on the web makes it go away even on the phone) | 08:48 |
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| pp_ | [W] mKCal::ExtendedCalendar::defaultStorage:2057 - Unable to create calendar database directory: "/home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal" | 08:50 |
| pp_ | [C] mKCal::SqliteStorage::open:288 - sqlitestorage.cpp: 288 - sqlite3_open error: 14 on database "/home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal/db" | 08:50 |
| pp_ | hmn | 08:50 |
| pp_ | err, should it be lke this? d---rwx--- 1 privileged privileged 148 Dec 10 14:00 privileged | 08:50 |
| Venemo_j | Nicd-: they're quite OK, just need to get used to them | 08:51 |
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| Nicd- | possibly | 08:51 |
| Venemo_j | same for the generally more aggressive effects | 08:51 |
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| special | pp_: that seems ok. Where were you getting those db warnings? | 08:54 |
| special | did you run something manually? | 08:54 |
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| Yaniel | Nicd-: OSX, Max | 08:54 |
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| pp_ | yea, tried to startup it manually to see whethere there are any errors :-) | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I just rip with iTunes, never had problems with DRM | 08:56 |
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| Yaniel | yeah itunes ripped it just fine | 08:56 |
| Yaniel | but it does not support flac directly :/ | 08:56 |
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| Nicd- | rip as ALAC and convert | 08:56 |
| Nicd- | though ALAC is open source nowadays so no reason devices shouldn't support it | 08:57 |
| Yaniel | or wav | 08:57 |
| Yaniel | does ALAC support metadata? | 08:57 |
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| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/30084/question-giving-root-access-for-android-apps/ | 08:57 |
| Nicd- | yes | 08:57 |
| coderus | vote please | 08:57 |
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| Yaniel | okay, that is a better alternative then | 08:57 |
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| TMavica | good question coderrus | 08:57 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I think the metadata comes with the MP4 container ALAC has | 08:58 |
| Yaniel | ah | 08:59 |
| coderus | TMavica: its not my question :) | 08:59 |
| ortylp | Is there a setting for autoconnecting WLAN? Without this feature syncing of emails and IM practically does not work. The WLAN in question was available for many hours and Jolla connected only at the moment I unlocked the screen. | 09:00 |
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| pp_ | hmn, editing an event (or creating a new one) on the web makes it show up | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | oh yes, we now have project websites and changelogs in store! | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | \o/ | 09:02 |
| pp_ | strings /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal contains those events too :P | 09:02 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: missing WLAN/Network autoconnection practically negates fixes for email syncing | 09:03 |
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| VDVsx | ortylp, so ? you want the device to connect to random networks ? if user does not select autoconnect the device should not connect | 09:04 |
| Yaniel | yeah wlan disconnecting when the screen is locked is quite a bother | 09:04 |
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| ortylp | VDVsx: I mean registered WLANs (the one at my flat) | 09:05 |
| Yaniel | it should not autoconnect to wlans *except those where the user has told it to* | 09:05 |
| Yaniel | and it "autoconnects" fine | 09:05 |
| Yaniel | - when the screen is unlocked that is | 09:05 |
| ortylp | no, it does not | 09:05 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, if autoconnect is one it should | 09:05 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, email asks the network layers for network then the logic is in that side, if request is successful or not | 09:06 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: it autoconnects at the moment I unlock the screen, not at the moment it needs network connection for the sync | 09:06 |
| * Yaniel cursing how smpc loses its connection when the screen is locked | 09:06 | |
| VDVsx | ortylp, it it autoconnects when you unlock the screen without your action and does when sync is trigger | 09:07 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: Then I need a cron job reconnecting WLAN... | 09:07 |
| VDVsx | connects and disconnects when network is not needed anymore | 09:07 |
| ortylp | but it means that IM does not work either | 09:08 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, if you can prove the sync fails due to that please provide logs | 09:08 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, IM will not let the device sleep, so it should work fine | 09:08 |
| Yaniel | but it will allow the screen to blank? | 09:08 |
| VDVsx | sure | 09:08 |
| VDVsx | will be in a intermediate sleep state | 09:09 |
| VDVsx | called early sleep | 09:09 |
| Yaniel | ah | 09:09 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: I'll do extensive testing on weekend and get back to you. | 09:09 |
| VDVsx | the other one is deep sleep | 09:09 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, ok thanks, if you get logs you can also send them to: mail-logs at jolla dot com | 09:10 |
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| VDVsx | refering the problems | 09:10 |
| VDVsx | as said in the release notes, there are still some issues with networking, nothing I can do about those in email side | 09:10 |
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| ortylp | VDVsx: Today I have turned network at 7:30 on, got Jolla at 9:30 in my hands: Email last sync 10 hours ago (the sync interval is 15 minutes), IM not connected. how would you interpret that? | 09:11 |
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| VDVsx | ortylp, if network is in autoconnect then a bug | 09:12 |
| VDVsx | without logs hard to guess, since works fine for me | 09:12 |
| VDVsx | both IM and email | 09:12 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: where in settings can I check if "autoconnect" is on? It connects automatically, but only at the moment I unlock the screen. | 09:14 |
| lpotter | well then autoconnect is on. it's on when the AP is 'enabled' | 09:15 |
| coderus | ortylp: its sailfish feature | 09:15 |
| coderus | ortylp: connections suspend in idle | 09:15 |
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| ortylp | coderus: that is great... for battery life, but not for connectivity :( | 09:16 |
| VDVsx | coderus, for what you want radios on if no on is using them ? :) | 09:16 |
| VDVsx | no one* | 09:16 |
| ortylp | if IM connection is on, then the radio also has to be on... unfortunately this is the only way it can work | 09:18 |
| pp_ | Yay! | 09:18 |
| pp_ | delete google account, create google account ftw | 09:18 |
| * pp_ posts on together.jolla.com :-) | 09:18 | |
| VDVsx | ortylp, works like that here, device never goes to deep sleep | 09:18 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: should I do full device reset to get it working properly? | 09:19 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, don't think that’s needed, if your update was successful it should work, if not some bug we don't know yet | 09:20 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, if you have devel mode one, as root: journalctl -ab > some_File and then pastebin the content of the file | 09:21 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: ACK | 09:21 |
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| ortylp | VDVsx: I need to go now, I'll do more QA for Jolla on Weekend, thanks for the feedback | 09:22 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, np, if you see problems, please report | 09:23 |
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| Trizt | still no way to lock the phone instead of waiting for X minutes? | 09:29 |
| VDVsx | Trizt, lock immediately ? | 09:30 |
| Trizt | yes | 09:30 |
| VDVsx | that open is there | 09:30 |
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| VDVsx | option* | 09:30 |
| VDVsx | in English: "no delay" | 09:31 |
| VDVsx | under settings->device lock | 09:31 |
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| Trizt | VDVsx: no, I still want default X minutes, but I want to lock it | 09:32 |
| Trizt | sometimes at once | 09:32 |
| VDVsx | Trizt, you want a button somewhere or what ? I'm not getting the use case | 09:32 |
| Trizt | Etiehr a menu option or have different actions if I use the side button and swipe from the top | 09:33 |
| VDVsx | Trizt, ok, suggest at t.j.c, if not done yet | 09:34 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps, Aard, please slap your communications team in the face | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: why? | 09:36 |
| Venemo_j | I haven't got any emails from Jolla which were readable on my Jolla | 09:36 |
| jussi | ouch! | 09:36 |
| Venemo_j | latest one is unreadable too | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: i wish we could all go back to plaintext emails | 09:37 |
| Venemo_j | plaintext would've been better readable, yes | 09:38 |
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| CvP | good morning :) | 09:39 |
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| Nicd- | Venemo_j: I could read the latest one just fine on Jolla | 09:39 |
| Venemo_j | font is too small | 09:40 |
| Nicd- | I read it on landscape and zoomed in so it fit the width | 09:41 |
| Venemo_j | so it wasn't readable for you either, you just worked around it | 09:41 |
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| Nicd- | I don't think it's a workaround, it's just zooming | 09:42 |
| Nicd- | I'm able to read it both landscape and portrait without zooming, but landscape + zooming makes it easier on the eyes | 09:42 |
| Venemo_j | it should be readable without rotation or zooming, from a comfortable distance | 09:43 |
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| grzywacz | Any idea when we may see a fix for https://together.jolla.com/question/15281/ui-speedresponsiveness/ and/or https://together.jolla.com/question/6296/is-scrolling-app-launcher-happening-really-at-60-fps/ ? People often want to take a look at this strange phone of mine, but they aren't impressed at all by how the launcher/home screen behave. That doesn't help virality. ;) | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | grzywacz: did you update? | 09:43 |
| grzywacz | Stskeeps, yes | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | grzywacz: now try this on top: | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | echo "performance" >/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | grzywacz: i think we're definately significantly improved in 1.0.4.* but there's more to come | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | such as qt5.2 scenegraph renderer and using the gpu clock a bit better | 09:45 |
| sletta | grzywacz: We fixed a lot of performance issues with the Update 4, but there are still a couple of places where we are not hitting max framerate. I expect the update to Qt 5.2 to fix a lot more (and improve homescreen performance) | 09:45 |
| Venemo_j | homescreen is quite ok for me... | 09:46 |
| grzywacz | I feel stuff like scrolling around cards is smoother. Trying the governor trick now. Does it harm my battery usage? ;) | 09:46 |
| grzywacz | sletta, if it's going to be fixed (sooner or later), then I'm happy :) | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | grzywacz: it impacts it a tiny bit but not extremely | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | we're still getting numbers which is why it's not on by default | 09:47 |
| ballock | I feel browser's scrolling is a little worse than it used to wrt framerate | 09:47 |
| ballock | the homescreen scrolling only stutters upon first touch, after that it's ok | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah it ramps up cpu at touch | 09:48 |
| ballock | but browser doesn't respond to that | 09:48 |
| CvP | browser feel better like before | 09:49 |
| ballock | is it only ramping it up on homescreen? | 09:49 |
| Nicd- | the calendar cover glitches when I peek at the multitasking view for me | 09:50 |
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| Nicd- | it flashes a random icon or something for a split second and then reverts to the calendar cover view | 09:50 |
| Nicd- | at the beginning of the peek | 09:50 |
| CvP | i miss ambience left/right from homescreen and toh covers dont connecting, nothin happen, no download from themes | 09:51 |
| minimec | phaeron: re... My INternet provider fu..ed it up good this morning. I was offline for two hours now. | 09:52 |
| Trizt | were is the backup stored? never really figured out the location | 09:52 |
| minimec | phaeron: To come back to my Phone.m3u8 problem. Definitely looks like tracker did not index this file. | 09:52 |
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| phaeron | minimec: media player gets its info from tracker | 09:53 |
| phaeron | Trizt: git repo ~/.vault | 09:53 |
| Trizt | okey thanks phaeron | 09:54 |
| grzywacz | Stskeeps, definitely better with performance governor; both subjectively and on the FPS display | 09:54 |
| minimec | phaeron: I don't get it. My last search was 'tracker-search -f 2>/dev/null | grep m3'. I did not get any result for that. | 09:54 |
| pp_ | heh, the main ui is so much more responsive now the android side seems to be very laggy | 09:54 |
| pp_ | (they were about equal before :) ) | 09:54 |
| Nightmare__ | CvP, ambiences do just fine for me (everything like in 1.0.3.8) | 09:55 |
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| minimec | phaeron: I don't get it. My last search was 'tracker-search -f 2>/dev/null | grep m3'. I did not get any result for that. | 09:58 |
| minimec | oups... | 09:58 |
| phaeron | minimec: files are not "all" | 09:58 |
| minimec | phaeron: ok. | 09:58 |
| grzywacz | Anyhow. Looks like the calendar app stopped showing recurring appointments after the update. At least the ones synced from google. | 09:59 |
| CvP | nightmare__ hmm and what can i do now? i do factory reset and update to 1.02.5 and than to 1.0.4.20 | 09:59 |
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| Nightmare__ | good question, i did it the same way reset->update chain | 09:59 |
| minimec | phaeron: I don't see a 'all' option with '--help' and 'tracker-search 2>/dev/null | grep m3' doesn't give me a result. | 10:00 |
| CvP | stskeeper any idea what i can do? | 10:02 |
| Teme | CvP: your ambiences are not working or what? | 10:04 |
| CvP | yes right | 10:04 |
| Teme | with the update my device had "unfavorited" all of them in gallery so they weren't available from home screen | 10:04 |
| CvP | put white, poppy, black... but no reaction | 10:05 |
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| Teme | CvP: if it's not the first time, the ToH themes are not set active when it's attached | 10:05 |
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| Teme | so check under gallery if they are favorited or not.. | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | if it's not reported, please report it on together.* | 10:06 |
| Nicd- | I'll write a report on together today about the people app, it doesn't group companies under their company name but under their phone number | 10:07 |
| CvP | no isnt in galary too.... it comes no pop up info to install the theme | 10:07 |
| Nicd- | so they're impossible to find | 10:07 |
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| minimec | phaeron: Ok. I come to the point where I want to try to delete the tracker database. Would deleting ~/.local/share/tracker and ~/.cache/tracker & reboot be enough? | 10:09 |
| phaeron | minimec: tracker-control -krs | 10:09 |
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| minimec | phaeron: THX. That is much easier... ;) | 10:10 |
| AL13N_work | Sage-: ping | 10:12 |
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| minimec | phaeron: Ok. That did it! Phone.m3u8 is gone. THX. | 10:13 |
| AL13N_work | Sage-: looking at the wifi issue, it seems that iw dev wlan0 link briefly gets very low signal... but then the signal is calculated based on the beacons, iirc, so i still think a weird driver queue issue is actually responsible for this | 10:13 |
| phaeron | minimec: cool ! | 10:13 |
| AL13N_work | Sage-: i did "watch --interval=0.1 iw dev wlan0 link" | 10:14 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: out of curiosity, what's up with LTE? | 10:14 |
| AL13N_work | Sage-: i saw frequently -31 to -37 with now and then some jumps to -28 or -41 ... just that once in a while it jumps to -93 | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: i plead ignorance | 10:15 |
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| Venemo_j | hm? | 10:15 |
| AL13N_work | (about LTE, thing is, some devs have been using it (as seen in videos) before release...) | 10:15 |
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| Venemo_j | i know | 10:16 |
| Venemo_j | but is it enabled in 1.0.4.x? | 10:16 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: you'll know this, there was an opensource driver that couldn't be used yet... is that by any change the wlan driver? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:16 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: is there a way for me to test this driver (without bricking my device?) | 10:17 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo_j: we'd have heard it if it was | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | AL13N_work: check tmo | 10:18 |
| Venemo_j | but | 10:18 |
| Venemo_j | Q1 2014 is almost over | 10:18 |
| AL13N_work | Sage-: keeping in mind that with pings 1/sec over an extended period of time (a few hours), i get about 2% DUP and 30% drops (could have gone into standby) | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Q1 2014 and LTE.. how's that related? | 10:19 |
| minimec | phaeron: By chance... Would you know if there is a way to assign an image or cover to a playlist file? | 10:19 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | to all jolla folks: congrats on the update4 :) | 10:19 |
| phaeron | I think putting album art alongside the album in its folder should work | 10:19 |
| phaeron | but I need to refresh on the tracker details | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: LTE was once said to come during Q1... though it was just an estimate | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | no idea | 10:20 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: ummmm... yeah | 10:20 |
| AL13N_work | i'm sure some people could check their IRC logs if they wanted to... | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | who wants lte when you can lock the orientation dynamically by simply placing your finger on the screen while rotating? :D | 10:20 |
| minimec | phaeron: This is working for an album, that's true. I will give it a try with playlists. | 10:21 |
| Venemo_j | ggabriel: wat? | 10:21 |
| CvP | https://together.jolla.com/question/34010/no-ambience-in-home-screengalarie-since-10420/ | 10:21 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: seriously? that's an awesome feature | 10:21 |
| AL13N_work | i need this | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | see settings | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | it's an awesome feature | 10:21 |
| AL13N_work | i often use the phone when i'm laying down in bed | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: nothing, i'm just talking nonsense | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | if anybody said anything about LTE on irc they need to walk ze plank, also, it's not a official place | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | (but it's an awesome feature) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:22 |
| Turski | ggabriel: it really is an awesome feature | 10:22 |
| Venemo_j | wasn't only on irc | 10:22 |
| AL13N_work | lte isn't all that important... | 10:22 |
| AL13N_work | anyway | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | i'm a sad panda re caldav | 10:23 |
| Venemo_j | anyway, seriously, what's up with lte? | 10:23 |
| ggabriel | i'm hoping that i can hack something in the command line | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: it'll come when it comes | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: any radio technology is a fun excersise | 10:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | Hi ! | 10:23 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: still, 2way google cal sync is now done, i'm sure caldav is the next point wrt calendars | 10:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | new release is cool, GCal works fine | 10:23 |
| TMavica | radio switcher can enable 4G but no calling function | 10:23 |
| TMavica | but someone say maake some tweek, then 4G can work with calling | 10:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | new ui enhancements are great, excepted page dots a little too big (overall the active one) | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo_work | they should be slightly smaller | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo_work | while staying as bright as they are now | 10:24 |
| dunp | how about owncloud support? | 10:24 |
| Tegu | I already managed to use the lock accidentally :P but it's okay | 10:24 |
| FireFly | Something I've noticed is that pulseaudio uses quite a lot of CPU power when listening to music with the stock music player | 10:24 |
| AL13N_work | imho the page dots and pulley menu bar are too big, i liked the old ways better, but it's not important to me | 10:24 |
| FireFly | 33% or so | 10:24 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: okay :) | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo_work | but yeah, still awaiting LTE support | 10:24 |
| AL13N_work | though if there was an option to go back, i'd do it | 10:24 |
| AL13N_work | FireFly: did you enable that program that does pulsetunnel thing? | 10:25 |
| TheBootroo_work | AL13N_work: i prefer bigger pulley like now, only active page dot is a little too big | 10:25 |
| FireFly | Nope | 10:25 |
| Tegu | yea the pulley markers and dots got huge | 10:25 |
| AL13N_work | i guess for new users, that's a good thing | 10:25 |
| AL13N_work | for me.... ah well, i don't really care that much about it | 10:25 |
| FireFly | AL13N_work: what pulsetunnel thing, btw? | 10:25 |
| AL13N_work | something about using the pulseaudio stuff to send audio to pulseaudio receiver | 10:26 |
| AL13N_work | but it's something that could get stuck, imho | 10:26 |
| AL13N_work | i'm pretty sure if you enable that program and then remove it, that the tunnel would be kept active still | 10:27 |
| Tegu | the keyboard has a bit better clarity now | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | i figured it may have something to do with your pulse taking cpu | 10:27 |
| FireFly | Ah | 10:27 |
| tobiski | what's this? I updated the device and took charger away and it said "The device is over heating, power it off" | 10:27 |
| tobiski | never seen that before | 10:28 |
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| * AL13N_work neither | 10:28 | |
| AL13N_work | but, i've seen it being hot when charging (while i was doing something) | 10:29 |
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| AL13N_work | perhaps it's the first warning level or something | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: was it factually warm? | 10:29 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: not anymore than usually I think | 10:31 |
| tobiski | And I was using Jolla's official charger | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:31 |
| AL13N_work | tobiski: maybe it had already cooled off, for during the upgrade and being charged at the same time | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: report the issue on together.* | 10:31 |
| AL13N_work | and you just hadn't seen the warning yet | 10:31 |
| tobiski | AL13N_work: could be | 10:32 |
| tobiski | I'll keep an eye on if it warns again when I charge it next time. But for now it seems to work as normal | 10:32 |
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| AL13N_work | i've found out that if you use it somewhat extensively and then charge it, (and possibly ssh-in during charging and do some things) that it can actually be warm-ish at the top | 10:34 |
| AL13N_work | (also when putting in my jeans pocket, which is quite tight) | 10:34 |
| coderus | winter ended, no need to warm jeans :D | 10:35 |
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| AL13N_work | coderus: there was never any winter over here, this year | 10:36 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: besides, i wear the same black jeans, black T-shirts, black socks, black shoes, black underwear everyday | 10:36 |
| AL13N_work | that's to say, i have about 10 identical ones for each of those | 10:37 |
| AL13N_work | never any problem choosing what to wear | 10:37 |
| jussi | AL13N_work: you are simon cowell and I claim my 5 pounds :P | 10:37 |
| Tegu | sounds like donald duck | 10:37 |
| AL13N_work | jussi: who's simon cowell? | 10:37 |
| Tegu | closet full of same clothes | 10:37 |
| AL13N_work | that name rings a bell | 10:38 |
| AL13N_work | Tegu: i've a wife, which means, i am happy to have about 4% of closet-space | 10:38 |
| jussi | AL13N_work: off american idol type show. | 10:38 |
| FireFly | AL13N_work: I wear the same [...] black underwear everyday | 10:38 |
| FireFly | no comment :p | 10:38 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 10:39 |
| AL13N_work | just regular underwear, don't get your hopes up | 10:39 |
| jussi | AL13N_work: he has this "uniform" he is pretty much always seen in | 10:39 |
| AL13N_work | ic | 10:39 |
| * AL13N_work is not an american | 10:39 | |
| coderus | 16:37 < AL13N_work> that's to say, i have about 10 identical ones for each of those | 10:39 |
| coderus | sigh of relief | 10:39 |
| * AL13N_work also almost never watches TV, let alone such ... stuff | 10:39 | |
| AL13N_work | coderus: haha yes | 10:40 |
| AL13N_work | next time you see me @ FOSDEM, you would be worried :-) | 10:40 |
| * AL13N_work grabs something to eat | 10:40 | |
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| Venemo_j | okay Stskeeps, sorry for harassing you with it | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to harass me about things in my area | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:44 |
| coderus | AL13N_work: you eat same breakfast, lunch, dinner every day and have about 10 eat packages with same content? :) | 10:45 |
| Bysmyyr | please vote important(and easy to implement) feature: https://together.jolla.com/question/23743/recurring-calendar-entries-end-date/ | 10:51 |
| mornfall | :-) | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | voted | 10:51 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps remember the issue I had? Jolla wouldn't boot after update. Without ever enabling openrepos.. | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: yes? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: i'd like a zypper lr output fwiw | 10:53 |
| Milo- | manually running zypper/version --dup afterwards didn't fix it either.. | 10:53 |
| Milo- | I ended up grabbing backups from ~/, running factory reset from recovery-mode and restoring backups. | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 10:53 |
| Milo- | after factory reset and upgrading from 1.0.2.5 to 1.0.4.x worked like a charm. | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | sorry that this happened, i've this fluke before when hw adaptation repo somehow got disabled | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | +seen | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | but i was quite confident that wouldn't happen anymroe -- but we cannot tiem travel to fix 1.0.2.5 | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: no, of course not | 10:54 |
| Milo- | the logs said that adaption0 and adaption1 couldn't get jolla credentials.. | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: yeah, but that's expected in chroot | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | or, before? | 10:55 |
| Milo- | that was before. | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: i eat every day at the same time, and at lunch, i have 3 different things which i always pick one from | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm. | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | that should have done bad things indeed | 10:55 |
| Milo- | maybe that disabled adaption? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | at breakfast, i always eat one of 2 things | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | at dinner it varies, but most often pizza or pasta | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | (unless my wife has something for me) | 10:55 |
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| Milo- | Stskeeps but it's all good now, thank you for your help. | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:57 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: i donno if this is your area, but maybe it might not be a bad idea to (during upgrade) turn on only the jolla one's and off all the others, and afterwards switch back to what was previously enabled | 10:58 |
| AL13N_work | that way you could get a warning or stop upgrade when some are disabled | 10:59 |
| mornfall | AL13N_work: I think that's what happens on the next update | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_work: 1.0.4.* store client disables everything but jolla repos | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | but we cannot timetravel | 10:59 |
| Milo- | I backed up my /home/nemo, and just bluntly replaced the factory reseted /home/nemo with the old one, is there any filesystem changes which I should know about? | 10:59 |
| Milo- | sms, call log and account details all seem to work just fine. | 11:00 |
| stephg | fwiw had a bootloop this morning on 1.0.4.20 | 11:00 |
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| mornfall | stephg: :\ | 11:00 |
| stephg | yeah kinda surprised me also | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | define bootloop | 11:01 |
| mornfall | isn't it kinda weird that you have to hit reload to close the current tab? | 11:02 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps, on train with 3g on, listening to media player and browsing web, reboot, came back up to UX for maybe 10 seconds and reboot again | 11:03 |
| stephg | at that ponit I yanked the battery for a couple of minutes | 11:03 |
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| stephg | thought it was 3g related as I was struggling to get a page up on the bbc website, and the bit of the train route the signal sux and it will drop to 2g, | 11:04 |
| stephg | ^but that's anecdotal | 11:05 |
| stephg | well it all is isn't it ;) | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | stephg: did you pull battery for 10 minutes after update | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | if it continues from now on, contact car | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | e | 11:05 |
| stephg | after update no, after second reboot this morning, yes but for ~maybe 4 | 11:05 |
| stephg | it's not done it since | 11:05 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: is there a rationale for the battery trick? | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | mornfall: PMIC is alive at all times and listening to for example power button | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | so we need to reset it's state | 11:06 |
| mornfall | I see... so the reboots are related to PMIC? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: not impossible | 11:07 |
| mornfall | interesting | 11:07 |
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| mornfall | there's also (still) a slight jerk when moving between homescreen and the rest of the launcher or back | 11:12 |
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| AL13N_work | huh??? | 11:12 |
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| AL13N_work | my SMS's now have dutch suggestions.... ? | 11:12 |
| AL13N_work | i thought dutch wasn't available? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | maybe purchased additional dictionaries | 11:13 |
| mornfall | (it's especially visible when you start moving downwards from the first launcher screen and then change direction upwards so you are already moving when you hit the border) | 11:13 |
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| mornfall | I don't have a dutch dictionary... | 11:14 |
| mornfall | AL13N_work: but if you typed enough dutch it'd be remembering those words you used | 11:14 |
| AL13N_work | ah, that'll be it | 11:14 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: is there a way to use other dictionaries? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | not my area.. :P | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 11:15 |
| AL13N_work | mine neither | 11:15 |
| AL13N_work | maybe cybette would know? | 11:15 |
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| Stskeeps | so, guys, what's the verdict on the update? | 11:20 |
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| Nicd- | I like it | 11:21 |
| Nicd- | but I'm waiting for Hervantajärvi | 11:21 |
| Nicd- | :P | 11:21 |
| sharpneli | 2.0.2 - Kolera-allas | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | hervanta smells nokian | 11:22 |
| inffy_ | :--D | 11:23 |
| Milo- | the cover of settings no longer displays 3G data connection as active when it is active. | 11:23 |
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| narchie | Stskeeps: Stskeeps: great | 11:24 |
| narchie | looks btter, even though Icouldnt imagine any improvements previosly | 11:24 |
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| pp_ | polish + 4G support and I'm happy :-) | 11:26 |
| pp_ | that list was a lot longer in the first version of the software :P | 11:27 |
| Sailor9452 | Stskeeps: well the mail client still needs features, but other than that i'm happy :D | 11:27 |
| dunp | https://www.google.com/maps?ll=61.968612,25.249028&spn=0.01557,0.054502&sll=64.747592,29.550562&sspn=0.028268,0.109005&t=m&z=15 | 11:27 |
| pp_ | well, native apps :-) | 11:28 |
| Tegu | great, overflow scrolling works now in the browser | 11:28 |
| Sidde | hmm, Adblock stopped working with the new update. And the About:addons menu is unusable | 11:28 |
| Sidde | I'll guess that means no more firefox extensions for a while | 11:28 |
| Mnsu_ | do you know if google calendar support is done though caldav or some other way, if the former, why would it not be possible to add custom caldav calendars? | 11:28 |
| ballock | Sidde: how did you install adblock? | 11:28 |
| Sidde | ballock: opened addons.mozilla.org and installed it | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | Sidde: new engine, maybe recompile needed? | 11:29 |
| Sidde | Stskeeps: maybe | 11:29 |
| ballock | damn, that's too simple | 11:29 |
| pp_ | you can also unzip to /home/nemo/.mozilla/mozembed/extensions/ ;) | 11:30 |
| Sidde | but the addons-menu is broken. You can't press any menu items anymore | 11:30 |
| Tegu | but about:config is still unusable :/ | 11:30 |
| Sidde | pp_: yes. i just did. Did not work that either | 11:30 |
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| pp_ | hmn, wonder if the version check fails due to some change | 11:30 |
| pp_ | my manually installed https everywhere still seems to be working | 11:31 |
| pp_ | (directory name there needs to be just right) | 11:31 |
| Sidde | pp_: that's very nice. | 11:31 |
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| Sidde | pp_: it means extensions still work. Just something with adblock | 11:32 |
| Sidde | someone else has also noticed: https://together.jolla.com/question/33931/adblock-doesnt-work-after-ohijarvi-update/ | 11:32 |
| pp_ | do look at install.rdf, toolkit@mozilla.org version 17.0 to 28.0 seems to be enough | 11:33 |
| ballock | geck in 1.0.4.20 is 29 | 11:33 |
| pp_ | (see https://together.jolla.com/question/24531/https-everywhere-support-in-browser/ ) | 11:33 |
| ballock | s/geck/gecko/ | 11:33 |
| pp_ | hmn, maybe it's disabling my https everywhere too then :D | 11:33 |
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| CoderCandy | ZOMG, long awaited sailfish update! | 11:43 |
| CoderCandy | Downloading now. | 11:44 |
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| inffy_ | :D | 11:44 |
| inffy_ | you are little late to the party :D | 11:45 |
| opuk | the update wiped my contacts and the backup did not restore them :( | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | opuk: that does not sound good | 11:45 |
| CoderCandy | opuk: won't be a problem.for me | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | opuk: can you get us /var/log/zypp/history ? | 11:45 |
| CoderCandy | I haven't gotten around to adding my contacts since last factory reset | 11:46 |
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| CoderCandy | inffy_: I've been running 2.5 for a while now, so the update-available icon has been permanently present for me. | 11:47 |
| CoderCandy | I just now noticed the different version number. | 11:47 |
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| inffy_ | yeah | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | clearly i should stay away from tjc for a week after updates come through | 11:48 |
| CoderCandy | ggabriel: hmm? | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | as peeps seem to think that opening questions with long lists of features/bugs is A Good Thing | 11:48 |
| CoderCandy | Man 2g is slow :( | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | indeed :) | 11:48 |
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| CoderCandy | ggabriel: what? that makes keeping track of an individual bug almost impossible. | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | CoderCandy: yeah, I pointed it out a couple of times, but peeps seem to disagree and that they want to take a different approach | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | not sure why they don't use tmo for that | 11:49 |
| CoderCandy | Oookay, I'm not very active on tjc tbh | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | i just try to organise things every now and again | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | but clearly I shouldn't :) | 11:50 |
| CoderCandy | Something about the layout of that site is not to my taste. | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | nothing is ever perfect | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | :) | 11:51 |
| CoderCandy | I know :p | 11:51 |
| CoderCandy | I should add a feature request to it though... | 11:52 |
| CoderCandy | A download speed indicator when downloading updates. | 11:52 |
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| CoderCandy | ooh, time to update wish me luck! | 11:57 |
| stephg | gluck | 11:58 |
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| CoderCandy | Huh, that was odd | 11:58 |
| CoderCandy | The device showed the "Sailfish updating screen" for like 3 seconds, and then it rebooted into 2.5 again. | 11:59 |
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| CoderCandy | I'm guessing corrupt download. | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | try again | 12:00 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, it's downloading :p | 12:00 |
| CoderCandy | (I did wonder how it wend from 15% to completed in a matter of seconds | 12:01 |
| CoderCandy | ) | 12:01 |
| CoderCandy | went* | 12:01 |
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| CoderCandy | That's my reasoning for the corrupt download theory. | 12:02 |
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| Aard | Venemo_j: they did contain a plain text part, though. which had messed up formatting and was basically useless, but still, it's the thought that counts :p | 12:05 |
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| Venemo_j | Aard: I don't if any guys from there visit this channel, but I suggest them to check out a technique called 'responsive email design' | 12:07 |
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| Nicd- | so many ping timeouts :o | 12:09 |
| CoderCandy | I'd ping timeout soo often | 12:10 |
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| CoderCandy | If I didn't use a bouncer. | 12:10 |
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| Nicd- | looks like there were connection problems in finland | 12:12 |
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| Nicd- | lots of people timing out on all finnish channels | 12:12 |
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| CoderCandy | I wonder what they will call the updates when they run out of finnish lakes. | 12:12 |
| CoderCandy | Nicd-: ah, I'm on swedens freenode server. | 12:13 |
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| Nicd- | CoderCandy: trust me, they won't run out of finnish lakes :P | 12:13 |
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| Sailor9452 | Venemo_j: when switching the irc app to landscape, is it possible to full out the complete width? or is it some toolkit limitation? | 12:13 |
| Aard | CoderCandy: the list I'm using has about 20000 lakes. they only have lakes larger than some specific size, though | 12:13 |
| Sailor9452 | s/full/fill/ | 12:13 |
| Nicd- | CoderCandy: there are over 187 000 lakes in finland | 12:14 |
| Aard | so if we're running out of names we should start sponsoring a project making a list with smaller lake names :) | 12:14 |
| CoderCandy | ... ah. | 12:14 |
| Venemo_j | Sailor9452: hmm, I see, can you open a ticket about this on GitHub? | 12:14 |
| Sailor9452 | sure | 12:14 |
| Tegu | they'd better reserve the huge lakes like Saimaa for extraordinary large updates :P | 12:15 |
| Venemo_j | feel free to use the name 'Balaton' (aka the Hungarian sea) | 12:16 |
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| mornfall | hmm, I don't seem to be able to ssh into the phone after the update? | 12:18 |
| mornfall | doesn't even ping me back, even though it's online and ip addr gives me the correct IP | 12:18 |
| TheBootroo_work | "when they run out of finnish lakes..." ----> \o/ | 12:18 |
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| TheBootroo_work | sounds like "when they run out of PI decimals" | 12:19 |
| Acce | Someone tweeted that bluetooth keyboards are now supported.. can't wait to get back home and try | 12:19 |
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| mornfall | interestingly, I can ssh into it using its openvpn address | 12:27 |
| mornfall | (if I put it on 3G instead of wlan at least) | 12:27 |
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| inffy_ | any more info on these new features: New Exchange ActiveSync policies introduced (lock time, minimum lock password length) | 12:35 |
| inffy_ | atleast that minimum lock password length | 12:36 |
| inffy_ | atleast my Jolla won't let me create a lock code that is under 5 digits | 12:36 |
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| flux | I think it doesn't allow to create lock code under 5 digits regardless of any exchange policy | 12:37 |
| inffy_ | seems so | 12:37 |
| flux | probably now the limit can be set higher by the exchange server? | 12:37 |
| Yaniel | oh, the tutorial app is back | 12:37 |
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| mornfall | anyone know what might be blocking icmp (and sshd) when wlan is on? | 12:38 |
| Yaniel | but still no sign of CalDAV | 12:39 |
| Yaniel | :( | 12:39 |
| mornfall | Yaniel: I think CalDAV is now supported in the backend, but you'd need to hack config files to add non-google CalDAVs... | 12:39 |
| mornfall | but I can't really check coz the only way to ssh into my phone is over 3G :P | 12:39 |
| Yaniel | yeah google CalDAV has been there for a while already | 12:39 |
| mornfall | Yaniel: well, it was read-only until yesterday | 12:40 |
| w00t | not caldav, it uses the google-specific APIs (which is why it only works for google) | 12:40 |
| Yaniel | ah | 12:40 |
| Yaniel | :/ | 12:40 |
| Yaniel | so what about caldav? | 12:40 |
| w00t | it's coming | 12:40 |
| svuorela | mornfall: got a link on how to add caldav ? | 12:40 |
| netzvieh | well my android apps close if i swipe out. thats not that cool | 12:40 |
| mornfall | svuorela: 13:40 ( w00t ) not caldav, it uses the google-specific APIs (which is why it only works for google) | 12:41 |
| mornfall | svuorela: sadly | 12:41 |
| svuorela | aha. | 12:41 |
| flux | netzvieh, does it sometimes, and then it stops doing it | 12:41 |
| w00t | keep an eye on https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav | 12:41 |
| sunkan | mornfall: Some WiFi AP's don't allow 2 wireless clients to speak to eachother, are you trying from another wireless device or from a wired machine? | 12:41 |
| svuorela | mornfall: we should get w00t hacking faster :P | 12:41 |
| mornfall | sunkan: it worked before the update :P | 12:41 |
| tbr | w00t: might want to add, that there are packages for the fearless of that | 12:41 |
| mornfall | sunkan: I talk to other machines on the wifi just fine, too | 12:42 |
| sunkan | mornfall: Ok, I don't have a WiFi that I can test with at work.. | 12:42 |
| VDVsx | inffy, why you want to create less than 5, if your exchange server has this policy enforce for sure will be at least 5digits | 12:42 |
| w00t | tbr: if you know the details, go ahead :) | 12:42 |
| netzvieh | flux: well it does everytime when 9+ native apps are open. and most times when not | 12:43 |
| sunkan | mornfall: mornfall my SSH daemon listens on :::22 and I have no FW rules so should work. | 12:43 |
| inffy_ | VDVsx: well our exchange seems to allow 4 digits, atleast on my lumia. but it's not a big problem just wanted to know. | 12:43 |
| tbr | packages of the caldav plugin are available through the Chum community repository | 12:43 |
| mornfall | sunkan: yeah, I checked that it's not iptables already | 12:43 |
| VDVsx | inffy, probably will allow 1 as well :D | 12:43 |
| tbr | for 1.0.4.20 that still needs a sanity check, but they will be available still today | 12:43 |
| tbr | you do need to add your calendar manually from the command line though | 12:44 |
| inffy_ | VDVsx: nah, 4 is minimum | 12:44 |
| VDVsx | ok | 12:44 |
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| Yaniel | oh right, need to update the chum url | 12:44 |
| tbr | those who want to try it should join #sync | 12:44 |
| VDVsx | so is enforce | 12:44 |
| Yaniel | or did the update do that already? | 12:44 |
| mornfall | uh-huh | 12:44 |
| tbr | Yaniel: no, update shouldn't touch that | 12:44 |
| mornfall | sunkan: I can ssh to jolla from the AP | 12:45 |
| tbr | so yes, please update your chum urls | 12:45 |
| mornfall | sunkan: that's weird, because I have two laptops on the same wifi and they ssh to each other just fine :) | 12:46 |
| sunkan | mornfall: This is a consumer WiFi not more advanced with centralized controller or anything similar? | 12:46 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm... | 12:46 |
| mornfall | sunkan: it's a b3 box (ARM board with an Atheros wireless chip) | 12:47 |
| CoderCandy | The update went well | 12:47 |
| mornfall | sunkan: might be its fault, I'll investigate | 12:47 |
| CoderCandy | Aaaalmost didn't though | 12:47 |
| stephg | mornfall, my wireless is working fine | 12:47 |
| CoderCandy | (I had 2% battery when done) | 12:47 |
| stephg | sounds environmental to me | 12:47 |
| stephg | CoderCandy, eek | 12:47 |
| stephg | cutting it fine ;) | 12:47 |
| CoderCandy | Yup | 12:47 |
| sunkan | mornfall: Can be difficult to troubleshoot WiFi issues I'm afraid. Trial and error is the way I most often end up with. | 12:48 |
| zutto | trial and error is very solid developement plan | 12:48 |
| sunkan | :) | 12:48 |
| netzvieh | tbr: is there a tutorial or something for the caldav thingy? | 12:49 |
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| pp_ | hmn, is there some place where the stuff in chum is discussed/announced, I see stuff that updates system files in http://repo.merproject.org/obs/sailfishos:/chum:/1.0.4.20:/testing/1.0.4.20_armv7hl/armv7hl/ | 12:49 |
| pp_ | with no changelog to even tell me what they'd be doing :P | 12:50 |
| mornfall | sunkan: it's just jolla that's invisible on the wifi though, the two laptops can talk to each other in any direction, and jolla can see the computers | 12:50 |
| mornfall | hmm, actually jolla can only see one of them | 12:50 |
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| sunkan | mornfall: see as in ping? | 12:51 |
| mornfall | sunkan: as in any connection towards that machine | 12:51 |
| mornfall | sunkan: tcp replies work though | 12:52 |
| sunkan | mornfall: Well that rules out any arp related issues I suppose. | 12:52 |
| sunkan | mornfall: tcpdump on the Jolly would be nice to confirm that the TCP SYN is not arriving when you try to do SSH connect. | 12:53 |
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| tbr | netzvieh: 12:44:28< tbr> those who want to try it should join #sync | 13:03 |
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| Trizt | most likely a stupid question, what's the point of the "lock" when you swipe from the top down on the home screen? | 13:13 |
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| Nicd- | Trizt: to show you that you are locking the phone | 13:13 |
| Trizt | Nicd-: you ain't locking the phone | 13:14 |
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| Trizt | unless you have set it to lock at once | 13:14 |
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| AL13N_work | i don't understand? you don't lock your phone? | 13:14 |
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| AL13N_work | (btw: i would like it that the power button locks immediately) | 13:15 |
| Trizt | AL13N_work: swiping down on the home screen don't lock the phone, it just turns of the screen | 13:15 |
| Nicd- | I would call that locking | 13:15 |
| Trizt | I do have auto lock after 5 minutes inactivity | 13:15 |
| Nicd- | just without a code | 13:15 |
| AL13N_work | ah right | 13:16 |
| Trizt | Nicd-: not locking, just closing | 13:16 |
| Trizt | or you lock your door by closing it? | 13:16 |
| Nicd- | my phone is not a door | 13:17 |
| AL13N_work | well, it doesn't matter what you call it | 13:17 |
| AL13N_work | it sounds to me that you want to go immediately to home screen if it's not locked yet | 13:18 |
| Trizt | AL13N_work: I want to have an option to lock the phone at once, not all ways, but when I have the need to do so | 13:19 |
| AL13N_work | i want the power button on the right and top edge swipe to lock immediately | 13:19 |
| AL13N_work | but not the timeout | 13:19 |
| * Trizt nods | 13:20 | |
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| * AL13N_work checks if there's options for that | 13:20 | |
| Trizt | an alternative could have been to swpie trough the lock image and it locks at once and that you could configure how the power button should work | 13:20 |
| AL13N_work | hmm | 13:21 |
| AL13N_work | there is no delay | 13:21 |
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| AL13N_work | and display has the timeout | 13:21 |
| AL13N_work | and voila direct locking | 13:22 |
| AL13N_work | Trizt: ^^ | 13:22 |
| Trizt | AL13N_work: yes, but I can't choose | 13:22 |
| AL13N_work | i'm gonna check timeout | 13:22 |
| AL13N_work | now | 13:22 |
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| AL13N_work | see if it locks immediately | 13:22 |
| AL13N_work | that 5/10 secs time when timeout is done might help | 13:23 |
| AL13N_work | no, bad luck | 13:24 |
| AL13N_work | Trizt: put it as a bug in tjc and i'll vote it up | 13:24 |
| Trizt | I'll do that when I'm home, don't have password with me to work | 13:27 |
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| AL13N_work | ping me when you've done that | 13:31 |
| Venemo_j | hm | 13:31 |
| AL13N_work | no? | 13:31 |
| Trizt | AL13N_work: will do so | 13:31 |
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| AL13N_work | Venemo_j: you don't agreE? | 13:31 |
| Venemo_j | Jolla's pretty smooth with the new update | 13:32 |
| AL13N_work | i'm not sure i agree | 13:32 |
| Venemo_j | AL13N_work: the hm was not directed at you :) | 13:32 |
| AL13N_work | k | 13:32 |
| AL13N_work | but | 13:32 |
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| Venemo_j | AL13N_work: why don't you agree? :) | 13:33 |
| AL13N_work | when going from home to apps, the bottom four apps are jumping up | 13:33 |
| Nightmare__ | has someone connection problems with mitäkuuluu/whatsapp? mine is stuck at authorising | 13:33 |
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| ggabriel | AL13N_work: ha! happened to me once | 13:34 |
| Trizt | Nightmare__: mine is "logged in", but I have had same issue as you from time to time, restarting it has sometimes helped | 13:34 |
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| ggabriel | i also managed to crash the camera properly (had to reboot) | 13:34 |
| ggabriel | but otherwise a lot smoother as Venemo_j points out | 13:34 |
| Venemo_j | I booted my N9 a few days ago | 13:35 |
| Venemo_j | it felt extremely slow, compared to the jolla | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: tell me about it... it's still my main phone... | 13:37 |
| netzvieh | hmm how do i remove that tutorial app? is there a gui way? | 13:37 |
| w00t | ggabriel: why ooi? | 13:38 |
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| ggabriel | w00t: because i need caldav and paid applications | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | actually, if i had caldav, i could switch it to main phone | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | and i mean proper caldav sync with an actual server, not google | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | i'm hoping there is a command line way to set up a generic caldav account and have it sync'ed | 13:40 |
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| Venemo_j | afaik the sync backend is open source | 13:41 |
| Acce | netzvieh: long press and clicking (x) not working? | 13:41 |
| Venemo_j | it's just a question of someone doing it | 13:41 |
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| Nightmare__ | netzvieh, https://together.jolla.com/question/33267/how-to-uninstall-tutorial-app/ | 13:42 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo_j: depends how far the backend has made it... as in, does it create an account in sailfish and that's integrated with the calendar? | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | if that's the case, then i may be able to set everything up via CLI | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | which would mean an almost immediate switch to the jolla as main phone | 13:43 |
| Venemo_j | ggabriel: dunno | 13:44 |
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| ggabriel | i'll try to fin dout | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | you can always set up a dummy google account and see what happens behind the scenes | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | (Y) | 13:45 |
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| netzvieh | Nightmare__: okay thx, no gui way. then it will have to wait until i'm bsck at my pc to ssh in | 13:46 |
| netzvieh | Stskeeps: you should make that removable again/not reinstall it with the update ;) | 13:47 |
| coderus | "Camera not rersponding" | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | coderus: ha! another victim! | 13:48 |
| coderus | is there any way to restart camrea anything without reboot? | 13:48 |
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| coderus | CameraBin error: "failed to open camera device 0: -1" | 13:51 |
| coderus | rebooting =( | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | that's what i had to do... | 13:51 |
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| ggabriel | ok, let me ramble again about the tap to lock orientation feature | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | i mean, it's great, and it's such a small thing | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | i wonder how long until the competition copies it | 13:55 |
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| flanag | yeah, I really like it too | 13:55 |
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| flanag | and I never really believed that even the android apps could be so smooth on Sailfish OS | 13:56 |
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| flanag | but they managed to do that too | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: and it'll be better, too.. | 13:57 |
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| ggabriel | ace under the sleeve, Stskeeps ? ;-) | 13:57 |
| flanag | really nice job there, thanks to everybody working on Sailfish :) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | long story short, the android runtime sends wayland SHM buffers at the moment | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | they're bog slow to composite and display, due to texture uploads | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | so, it'll get better. | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | nice | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | i didn't try android yet | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | android reminds me of symbian actually | 13:58 |
| goroboro | android reminds me of something I just flushed down the toilet, actually | 13:58 |
| junnuvi | About orientation lock. that will be even better if locking will remain on all applications until phone has been next time rotated to portair | 13:59 |
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| flanag | Stskeeps: is there still some latency in the touch events on android apps? I haven't tested yet (earlier I used an app that shows little blobs under your finger and it was easy to see that they dragged behind a lot) | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | good ideas -> together.* | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | junnuvi: add that to tjc and you'll get some karma from me :) | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: i'm not sure, but touch latency is a fantastic topic | 13:59 |
| junnuvi | ggabriel: yes i will | 13:59 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: do you know anything about the problem with the app covers? I would think that they are not meant to appear square-ish | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: no | 14:01 |
| flanag | here's a very nice together entry | 14:01 |
| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/34012/bug-rounded-cover-corners/ | 14:01 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: just tested the touch latency, it seems that it is still there but at least it's otherwise so smooth that it doesn't really bother at all | 14:03 |
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| sunkan | Hmm I just got rid of the dark background by changing ambience back and forth as mentioned in another tjc thread.. | 14:08 |
| flanag | any screenshots of the "dark background"? | 14:08 |
| sunkan | Too late :) | 14:09 |
| flanag | as I'm not sure if I have seen that | 14:09 |
| flanag | damn :) | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | i noticed that my background is darker than before | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | with snowhite | 14:09 |
| flanag | well, it's supposed to be | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | but i kinda like it | 14:09 |
| sunkan | It was actually mainly in the email app that I noticed it, my own app for example was showing same old background. | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | can't complain if that provides better contrast... | 14:09 |
| sunkan | Now they look the same. | 14:09 |
| sunkan | It might be a bit darker than it used to be. But before switching ambience the email app looked like it was de-saturated (almost black and white) | 14:10 |
| junnuvi | ggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/34177/idea-orientation-lock-lock/ | 14:11 |
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| Wnt | does 1.0.4.20 support exfat filesystems? at least the /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh script has been updated to treat exfat filesystems specially | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | junnuvi: thanks, fixing the language, hope you don't mind | 14:17 |
| Wnt | but I guess the kernel module supporting exfat might still be missing | 14:17 |
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| flanag | has anyone got the "unlock the phone and get a black but lit screen" bug with the new update? I got those several times a day with earlier versions but today I haven't seen it happening | 14:18 |
| Wnt | or is exfat supported via FUSE on Linux normally? | 14:18 |
| flanag | would be nice to get a confirmation that the bug is gone | 14:18 |
| sunkan | Wnt: Not sure but I think it's a FUSE fs in linux. | 14:19 |
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| Wnt | there also seems to be a real kernel driver available: https://github.com/dorimanx/exfat-nofuse | 14:22 |
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| sharpneli | Considering that Jolla is not sold in the US they could maybe use exfat without infringin the ridiculous patent MS has | 14:23 |
| sharpneli | "Oh our FS has 8 chars max length on filename. Let's make additiona table to contain longer names and patent that shit!" | 14:23 |
| Wnt | seemst that someone has even made a Jolla specific fork of that code: https://github.com/raimue/exfat-nofuse/tree/jolla | 14:24 |
| suy | sharpneli: but jolla licenses (or wants to) the OS. They have to be very careful then | 14:24 |
| sharpneli | Oh crap it's also patented in Germany :E | 14:24 |
| Plnt | Wnt: i think this is proprietary software from samsung which is not opensource .. https://github.com/dorimanx/exfat-nofuse/issues/5 , http://www.mail-archive.com/legal@lists.gpl-violations.org/msg00087.html | 14:25 |
| Wnt | maybe the situation now is that the mounting script does support exfat, but one just needs to have the kernel module installed for the auto mount to work | 14:25 |
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| Wnt | Plnt: that's interesting | 14:28 |
| Wnt | but it seems that Samsung has later released the code as GPL also | 14:29 |
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| Plnt | Wnt: oh.. i wasn't aware of that. that's great then. i just rember reading the the github issue few months ago when it was discussed over the internet :) | 14:29 |
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| Plnt | i see.. http://sfconservancy.org/news/2013/aug/16/exfat-samsung/ .. nice | 14:30 |
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| Wnt | So I guess now even Jolla could include that code in their product | 14:35 |
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| Wnt | but would it then have to pay some patent licencing money to Microsoft per device to be allowed to sell the device? | 14:36 |
| sharpneli | It's about patents, not about code. | 14:36 |
| sharpneli | Yes. | 14:36 |
| Wnt | does that kind of patents also apply in EU and Finland? | 14:36 |
| Wnt | or is this a US specific problem? | 14:36 |
| sharpneli | The worst part of the patent is that it's only useful for reading fat filesystems. No-one would want to use the design in their own systems. | 14:36 |
| sharpneli | It's also patented in Germany so it's EU wide problem | 14:36 |
| flanag | damn patents | 14:36 |
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| sharpneli | MS shamelessly uses it to extract money. "Pay us or windows computers will refuse to read your files, mwhahaha!" | 14:37 |
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| Eztran | doesn't help than Windows supports sod-all else... | 14:37 |
| sharpneli | Idd | 14:37 |
| sharpneli | EU has some excemptions for reverse engineering in order to be compatible but I don't think they apply to patents | 14:38 |
| Wnt | the only use I would have fot the exFAT suppor is that I could shoot images with my real camera and then share the images using the phone | 14:38 |
| sharpneli | Ya. And the camera uses exFAT because it want's the SDcard to be readable from windows computer | 14:39 |
| Wnt | but I guess I could create a seperate FAT32 filesystem to the card next to the btrfs | 14:39 |
| sharpneli | *sigh* | 14:39 |
| Wnt | yep... | 14:39 |
| junnuvi | ggabriel: thats fine :) | 14:40 |
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| Timo | So, let's update to Ohijärvi. | 14:44 |
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| ggabriel | \o/ | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | so..... when is the next upate then? :-) | 14:46 |
| Timo | No idea, but it should contain the features people have asked for months ago already. Oh well, SailfishOS works now. It just isn't really non-beta IMHO. | 14:47 |
| essett_ | Are there any plans to open source other Sailfish apps than the browser? I was thinking that more help from the community might speed things up a bit? | 14:49 |
| Venemo_j | early may? LOL | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | if it doesn't crash as before, then i'm happy with the non-beta tag | 14:49 |
| Timo | And of course they focus on bug fixing first, but I think a device without a decent copy/paste (just an example) isn't a 1.0.x version. | 14:50 |
| flanag | well, as MWC is not a problem anymore, they have more time to work on the patches, so I think they'll be on time now :) | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | brand new sony xperia sp is way slower than sailfish os, and has some features that sailfish already has, and its cores are faster ;P | 14:50 |
| essett_ | The pace of upgrades does have the feel of Scrumming going on... :-) | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | Timo: uhm... copy paste should work across the board, fingerterm is the only pending thing in my book | 14:51 |
| flanag | well, maybe Timo means the browser (copying from pages) | 14:51 |
| Timo | For example. | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | ok, can't remember if i tried that, maybe not | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | fair point | 14:51 |
| * ggabriel looking for the question in tjc | 14:52 | |
| Timo | Decent text input in browser... | 14:52 |
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| Timo | Actually just a lot of browser stuff. :P | 14:52 |
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| ggabriel | well, the browser is open source | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | i've just asked in tjc if we could close the generic copy paste version in favour of more questions that are more specific | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | so that people can vote for them | 14:54 |
| Timo | Unfortunately I don't have any programming experience. | 14:54 |
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| mcfrisk | 1.0.4.20 feels more power hungry than 1.0.3.8 | 14:57 |
| flanag | not to me | 14:58 |
| Teme | agreed | 15:00 |
| * Timo watches his phone booting. Excited! | 15:00 | |
| inffy | yep, it's sipping battery like a beast | 15:00 |
| flanag | inffy: nope | 15:01 |
| inffy | flanag, yep | 15:01 |
| inffy | do we need to continue? | 15:01 |
| flanag | using mitäkuuluu? | 15:01 |
| inffy | nope | 15:01 |
| Wnt | after the update playing an internet radio stream with the SomaFM application consumes about 1% less power compared to the previous OS version | 15:01 |
| Teme | i have gathered hard data from two (2) users including myself who have noticed it being 10-40% less than expected after 6-8 hours being of the plug | 15:01 |
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| Timo | Have you tried disabling tohd inffy? Maybe the bug came back? | 15:01 |
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| inffy | not yet, just did a complete factory reset | 15:01 |
| rangoy | Teme: sure that you've not just played more with it now? | 15:02 |
| Plnt | i don't have any problem with battery usage on 1.0.4.20. but i'm using tinfoil hack for toh for quite some time. | 15:02 |
| Timo | Why did the tutorial app come back? | 15:02 |
| Teme | rangoy: not unusually much | 15:02 |
| Teme | gonna have to see what the situation is tomorrow | 15:03 |
| Timo | And why is the background almost black? :( | 15:03 |
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| joonahoi_ | Plnt: the toh battery drain problem was already fixed in 1.0.3.8 | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: http://www.tieto.com/top-stories/jolla-and-tieto - congrats | 15:03 |
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| inffy | Timo, change your ambience to something else and then change it back, should fix it | 15:04 |
| Plnt | joonahoi_: yes, i know | 15:04 |
| Plnt | joonahoi_: i just didn't removed the tinfoil, yet.. :) | 15:04 |
| Timo | inffy: It does! Thank you! | 15:04 |
| Teme | Plnt: if it works don't touch it :D | 15:04 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: oooh, we put it out finally :) | 15:04 |
| Plnt | Teme: hah :) | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: tbr .. in a suit | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | i was shocked | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 15:05 |
| Wnt | hehe | 15:05 |
| cvp | https://together.jolla.com/question/34010/no-ambience-in-home-screengallery-since-update-to-10420/ | 15:05 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: and I look crap in it due to sleeve lenght... :D | 15:05 |
| cvp | that s*cks :( | 15:05 |
| minimec | hmm... Had to restart the the Wifi agein with "systemctl restart connman.service". All of a sudden wifi connection wsa lost an borked again... Bug not solved... :( | 15:06 |
| cvp | tbr: cool :D | 15:06 |
| Timo | Hm, still no uploading in browser? | 15:06 |
| Timo | And why can't I uninstall the tutorial? | 15:08 |
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| mcfrisk | lots of mutu, but last weekend from Fri to Sunday without charging jolla with 1.0.3.8, now 1.0.4.20 took it off charger after update last evening and now 38% battery left. A bit more playing with it. Maybe something like email is more actively talking over cellular now. | 15:09 |
| Teme | yeah mr. tutorial came back and won't leave this time ._. | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: it might be that it's more accurate, fwiw | 15:10 |
| flanag | the update enabled email sync even though I had that on manual before | 15:10 |
| flanag | so maybe that has changed the battery performance for some people? | 15:10 |
| mcfrisk | was powertop easy to install? | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't count on my battery usage as i'm obviously playing with the phone more often until i get used to the new release | 15:11 |
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| Venemo_j | hm | 15:16 |
| Venemo_j | the high volume warning went away? | 15:16 |
| Wnt | Timo: there doesn't seem to be any answers in https://together.jolla.com/question/1006/add-file-upload-functionality-to-web-browser :( | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: i just saw it today on development so i don't think so | 15:17 |
| mikma | i wonder how long will it take for me to be able to update the 5 apps | 15:17 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: the volume bar doesn't anymore show 'high volume' either | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: you on bluetooth headset? | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | or wired one? | 15:18 |
| Venemo_j | bluetooth of course | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | maybe that's changed? | 15:18 |
| Venemo_j | maybe | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | i recall somebody opened a question about high volume on BT - that it didn't make sense | 15:18 |
| Plnt | Wnt: yeah, i really miss that :) | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | as BT often has its own volume rocker | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: having said that, i'll give it a go when i get back home with a wired one ;) | 15:19 |
| Timo | I'll give it a go now, ggabriel. ;) | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | Timo: go on! :D | 15:19 |
| Venemo_j | :) | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | ...and this is why the battery doesn't last as long: 1. see something in irc; 2. uuhh piece of candy; 3. test in jolla; 4. goto 1 | 15:19 |
| Plnt | Wnt: but i should have probably wait with filling some of the feature requests in TJC. seems like the old ones but from my perspective important ones are hidden under the dust of the new requests. like this one https://together.jolla.com/question/2650/disable-ssh-daemon-when-remote-connections-are-disabled/ | 15:20 |
| Venemo_j | heheh | 15:20 |
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| Timo | ggabriel, Venemo_j: On a wired one there's still the (extremely annoying) warning. | 15:20 |
| Venemo_j | Timo: maybe it's just changed on bluetooth then | 15:21 |
| Timo | I think so. | 15:21 |
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| mikma | anyone else has problems updating apps from jolla store? | 15:22 |
| Timo | Would have been nice if they removed the wired one as well. | 15:22 |
| inffy | mikma, nope | 15:22 |
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| ggabriel | Timo: i think that's some law requirement | 15:22 |
| Teme | isn't that high volume warning some sort of EU-regulatory thing or do i remember totally wrong? | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | maybe the BT headset itself should have one too | 15:22 |
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| ggabriel | Teme: somebody said that, but do'nt have the source | 15:22 |
| Teme | it was forced on mp3-players and therefore smart devices years ago | 15:23 |
| Wnt | mikma: I had some really long response times from the store yesterday evening | 15:23 |
| Timo | ggabriel: Could be true, some MP3 players have it too. | 15:23 |
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| ggabriel | let me try the sony xperia sp | 15:23 |
| Timo | But I hate it as I mostly connect my phone to a receiver. :P | 15:23 |
| mikma | wnt: i've had that since the update came | 15:23 |
| Wnt | I suspect that the OS upgrades share at least tome infrastructure with the store and too much load there causes the store to respond slowly | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | Timo: Teme: yup, brand new smartphone has it... may be some regulation | 15:25 |
| Wnt | It would be nice to be able to disable it in settings | 15:26 |
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| Wnt | As I too oftehn connect my phone to external speakers and then I want to use the full output level of the device | 15:27 |
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| ggabriel | Wnt: if it's really an EU regulation, you can bring that up with your EU representative, maybe your great grand children will have that opiton ;-) | 15:27 |
| Timo | Exactly Wnt. | 15:27 |
| Wnt | ggabriel: I think I'd rather set some boolean to false in some settings database | 15:28 |
| Timo | If things are going on like this in Ukrain there won't be any EU anymore soon. ;-) | 15:28 |
| flanag | it's nice that after these optimizations even the webcat browser is usable as the scrolling is not choppy anymore | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | Wnt: yeah, i'm all about hidden switches for power users | 15:28 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu update v0.2-1 https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu | 15:30 |
| mcfrisk | the loud volume popup is useless on wired headset, and besides there are multiple pops and clicks with way too loud volume coming from jolla while playing music and notifications | 15:30 |
| sunkan | Yeah it's kind of funny that you can't play music as loud as you want but the notifications are much louder.. | 15:31 |
| Timo | True, hehe. | 15:32 |
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| mcfrisk | "loud music can be bad for your ears, ok?" Ok, damdamdam, CLICKPOP, *TADAAA You've got mail*, POPCLICK, nanananna nice quiet music continues | 15:34 |
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| Timo | Nokia did it better with just a quiet "beep". | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | nokia's beeps were quieter from the start | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | i decided to switch off the IM notification altogether | 15:36 |
| wtf_ | Hello! Can someone help. I screwed my update yesterday and now im about to do the factory reset. I can still connect my phone to my pc via usb, and see the files and folders. I did a backup before last nights update and i was wondering, is there any way to save the backup file or some other way to get contacts out of it? Thank you! (And remember, I cannot open anything on my phone) | 15:38 |
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| ggabriel | wtf_: i think backups are in ~/.valve or something like that | 15:39 |
| phaeron | vault | 15:39 |
| phaeron | ~/.vault | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | s/valve/vault/ | 15:40 |
| phaeron | valve is a games company :D | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | yeah, they sound similar | 15:40 |
| wtf_ | cannot find that folder. browsing with my pc | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | wtf_: /home/nemo/.vault ? | 15:41 |
| Eztran | bear in mind it'll be hidden, considering .vault. | 15:41 |
| phaeron | /home/nemo/.vault | 15:41 |
| Plnt | wtf_: it's not exported via MTP | 15:41 |
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| ggabriel | wtf_: also, how did you screw it up? | 15:41 |
| Plnt | wtf_: you need to download it via scp for example | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | and can you ssh into it? | 15:41 |
| phaeron | can you ssh ? | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | there are posts in tjc about fixing the update via ssh fwiw | 15:41 |
| wtf_ | dont know the ip | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | or in this channel's log | 15:41 |
| wtf_ | that repo was "activated" and it screwed it up | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | ok, there's a way to fix it | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | not htat i tried it | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | but there is one way | 15:42 |
| Eztran | wasn't the broken package killed pretty quickly, though? | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | check yesterday's logs and look for stskeep's comments with multiple *** | 15:42 |
| cvp | coderus: nice thank you :) kamera still work. you kick out the Mitakuuluu folder in Galery ? | 15:42 |
| wtf_ | i did insta update | 15:43 |
| wtf_ | i was too quick | 15:43 |
| * cb400f prepares to update | 15:44 | |
| Eztran | surely just 'version --dup'ing should solve it now, considering all they otherwise suggested to do was disable the repo? | 15:44 |
| Eztran | and the package is gone? | 15:44 |
| wtf_ | but i cant do anything with my phone | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | wtf_: did you look for solutions in tjc? | 15:45 |
| wtf_ | factory reset is no problem, just would like to save something from my phone, like contacts ettc | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | you're probably not the only one who got away of a similar situation | 15:46 |
| wtf_ | yes i did | 15:46 |
| Eztran | the main solution is to ssh in first :) | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | it looks like you need to ssh for that | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | wihch should work via usb | 15:46 |
| wtf_ | yes | 15:46 |
| wtf_ | should... :) | 15:46 |
| Eztran | USB networking should be on the default IP, surely? | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | and the ip address should be in your interface | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | dunno, tcpdump it or something | 15:46 |
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| wtf_ | im kind of a noob, so thats the trickiest part | 15:47 |
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| ggabriel | wtf_: it'd be useful if you told us which OS you use | 15:48 |
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| ggabriel | maybe somebody with the phone next to them can help you in a more fine grained manner | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | and next time do copy ~/.vault outside the device :D | 15:48 |
| wtf_ | win 7 | 15:48 |
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| wtf_ | yes i should do that | 15:49 |
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| Venemo_j | hm, media player is a bit glitchy since the last update | 15:52 |
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| flanag | Venemo_j: what's glitchy exactly? | 15:54 |
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| jabis | wtf_: still struggling with the phone, aye? | 16:03 |
| parasemic | so, how do i rever back to 1.0.38? | 16:04 |
| parasemic | revert* | 16:04 |
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| jabis | factory reset and update one by one perhaps | 16:04 |
| parasemic | the update is aweful ... | 16:04 |
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| jabis | My battery life at least doubled, cant agree with parasemic now on this :D | 16:05 |
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| parasemic | battery life was never an issue. my phone crashes while updating twitter etc, UI update is ugly and removed all the sexy elegantness of transparency, keyboard still isnt fixed properly and looks ugly too etc | 16:06 |
| aranea | Hi. I'm trying to set up a mail account, but the mail app doesn't work and only shows "Problems with sign-in" on its cover. Is there any way to get more information about what exactly is going wrong? | 16:07 |
| parasemic | also, the wallpaper of ambience is basically useless, as you can only see it while in lockscreen ... -.- | 16:07 |
| jabis | well, for me the usability was crap until the last update, because even with mild usage the battery wouldn't last a day | 16:08 |
| AL13N_work | jabis: how is battery life doubled? | 16:08 |
| AL13N_work | update was only yesterday... it'll take a couple of days for battery to be drained | 16:09 |
| sunkan | To me it seems that mailsync is now working better, that might cause more battery usage I suppose. It used to not update even though I hade set it to always online or whatever the setting is called. | 16:09 |
| parasemic | uhm, wat? i thought battery life was fixed in february update, and should have lasted around 2 days with almost any common use | 16:09 |
| clau2 | AL13N_work: to me it looks like battery is going down faster than before | 16:09 |
| clau2 | before the last update | 16:09 |
| parasemic | yeah, power consumption is higher in idle | 16:09 |
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| jabis | AL13N, well, now it's going on 85% still with the same usage, as it wouldda been dead already | 16:09 |
| parasemic | but the UI is fucking aweful, and i hate it | 16:09 |
| AL13N_work | maybe you're just using it more :-) | 16:09 |
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| clau2 | BUT... it is even higher than having suspend policy set to early. | 16:09 |
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| clau2 | something is not alright. | 16:10 |
| clau2 | I'll give it a few more days though. | 16:10 |
| jabis | AL13N_work: I had to have the phone on the charger all day long to use it inbetween | 16:11 |
| jabis | a night without charging = dead at 16pm | 16:11 |
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| jabis | now no charging after the update = 85%, I'd call it doubling | 16:11 |
| cvp | Stskeeps: few weeks ago give some one a command, after that my nfc reading from toh work... but i for get it. i now it was some of: systemctl xxxxx tohd.service, but not stop, start, enable or status... | 16:11 |
| clau2 | jabis: have you checked top in terminal? | 16:12 |
| parasemic | how hard can i be fixing a keyboard layout...? in finnish layout, the registeration area for M and Z letters are 3 times wider than other letters in landscape mode | 16:12 |
| raa70 | cvp: mask / unmask? | 16:12 |
| clau2 | cvp, unmask? | 16:12 |
| cvp | YEAH | 16:12 |
| cvp | this was | 16:12 |
| cvp | thx i test | 16:12 |
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| parasemic | anyone else get instant crash with red led blinking for 2 minutes if updating feeds? | 16:13 |
| FireFly | The only "regression" I've noticed has been issues with the glass texture on app covers | 16:13 |
| jabis | clau2: I didn't check any rogue processes, just restarted dalvik & stuff like that periodically - but after the update no draining so far | 16:14 |
| parasemic | well not instant, instant freeze and then red blinking if power button is pressed | 16:14 |
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| AL13N_work | funny you guys mention this... my phone just stopped instantly (instant power off) | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: contents of /proc/cmdline would be interesting | 16:15 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't have the red blinking issue since update | 16:15 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: proc? but that's just the boot up entry? | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | yeah, it gives you a clue of previous shut down | 16:15 |
| AL13N_work | it was poweroff during SMS send | 16:16 |
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| jabis | oh - and btw now I have the autosuspend policy on early - as opposed to default | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: were you drunk? were you sending something too sensitive? maybe the jolla is protecting you ;-) | 16:16 |
| parasemic | well, my battery life is aweful now too... with just minimal usage, im down to 35% while i was over 60% at this time before... | 16:16 |
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| clau2 | jabis: you don't need it. | 16:16 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_pwr_key | 16:17 |
| clau2 | at least email has been fixed, and probably a lot more. | 16:17 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: if that's what you mean | 16:17 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: it was not a reboot | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: ok, not much clue there then | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | oh, yeah | 16:17 |
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| parasemic | can someone please try updating feed and tell me if it crashes their phone too?? | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | that cmdline probably makes sense when it reboots | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: which feed? | 16:17 |
| parasemic | any | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | (out of curiosity) | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | tidings? | 16:17 |
| parasemic | just swipe up and "update" | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | oh, i c | 16:18 |
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| AL13N_work | i have no feeds | 16:18 |
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| cb400f | doesn't crash my phone.. but I have nothing for it to try and update | 16:18 |
| parasemic | instant freeze, powerbutton closes screen and 2 minutes of red blinking until wakes up back to multitasking screen | 16:18 |
| jabis | not crashing on tweets | 16:18 |
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| coderus | cvp: no, why? | 16:18 |
| jabis | flashes only the top bar if I click tweets/posts | 16:18 |
| parasemic | worst upadte so far for me ... | 16:18 |
| jabis | while updating | 16:19 |
| parasemic | update* | 16:19 |
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| cb400f | the update seems to work great for me... only the gecko update broke adblock+ :-( ... but you expect every friggin minor update to break every conceivable extension :-/ | 16:19 |
| cb400f | with firefox/gecko | 16:19 |
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| anonfriese | gjy | 16:19 |
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| anonfriese | okay, first typing, then pressing enter ;) | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | [17:18] <parasemic> instant freeze, powerbutton closes screen and 2 minutes of red blinking until wakes up back to multitasking screen | 16:20 |
| cvp | coderus: the folder in galery is missing :) | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | -> not a reboot; just lipstick crashing | 16:20 |
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| anonfriese | anyone got some thoughts about battery life with the new version? it kinda seems to be a bit worse for me (could be that i'm using it some more currently, did a complete reset, so kinda busy ;) ) | 16:20 |
| jabis | clau2: oh and I'm experimenting with some timed daemons for few rest interfaces to drop notifications, so I still need the suspend policy -.- | 16:21 |
| aranea | re: Hi. I'm trying to set up a mail account, but the mail app doesn't work and only shows "Problems with sign-in" on its cover. Is there any way to get more information about what exactly is going wrong? | 16:21 |
| parasemic | its worse, idle consumption is just higher than before | 16:21 |
| parasemic | wonder if the next upate is coming out this month or next | 16:22 |
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| ggabriel | hehe, I bet it's coming "soon" :D | 16:23 |
| Venemo_j | flanag: for one, it's become too easy to seek a track when I want to bring out the pulley menu | 16:23 |
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| Venemo_j | flanag: and it loads my music collection much more slowly | 16:24 |
| flanag | Venemo_j: ok, thanks, I just wanted an example as I haven't tested it myself properly yet :) | 16:24 |
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| Venemo | flanag: but the addition of album art in albums view is nice | 16:26 |
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| parasemic | i really really hope they add customization of the UI, as the updated multitasking panels are just ugly and really show off the bad resolution of the screen | 16:27 |
| coderus | cvp: do you have something in /home/nemo/WhatsApp? | 16:28 |
| flanag | parasemic: I think they've just got a bug there, the corners aren't supposed to be square | 16:29 |
| flanag | and yes, I agree, they could tone down the app cover contrast a bit | 16:29 |
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| parasemic | flanag: also i hate the downgrade of ambience wallpaper appearance | 16:30 |
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| parasemic | it basically just disappears completely | 16:30 |
| flanag | here's a good post covering the corner bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/34012/bug-rounded-cover-corners/ | 16:30 |
| zbenjamin | are there any known problems with battery cosumptiond and the most recent update? Last week my phone worked almost 3 days without charging, today its already almost empty | 16:30 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders | 16:31 | |
| flanag | zbenjamin, I wonder what's the problem as other people have reported that too | 16:31 |
| TheBootroo_work | parasemic: you know, lipstick is QML so stop whinning about any single pixel, tweak the files by yourself and propose your changes to the community | 16:31 |
| flanag | but my battery consumption is normal | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | did last update make email, twitter, farcebooks, whazaap and others actually update when screen is off? | 16:31 |
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| parasemic | TheBootroo_work: can't i state i hate the new UI, and imo it's ugly compared to earlier? | 16:32 |
| parasemic | what's the point of background photo, when it's basically black in all other situations except when looking at the lockscreen? | 16:33 |
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| junnuvi | new ui is much better as there is more contrast and makes thing easier to read. | 16:33 |
| junnuvi | my opinion | 16:33 |
| Venemo | junnuvi +1 | 16:34 |
| parasemic | why just not go back to N9 style, all black background then? | 16:34 |
| zbenjamin | flanag: maybe some app not working correctly with the update? | 16:34 |
| clau2 | parasemic: that would suck on this screen | 16:35 |
| anonfriese | parasemic: not that nice on the jolla screen i think, n9 had amoled... | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | the real fix here would be to fine tune the ambience | 16:35 |
| clau2 | parasemic: because black is not... black. | 16:35 |
| junnuvi | in a perfect world there will be transparency/brightness controls for background image | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | there is no black | 16:35 |
| clau2 | but I would like to have some control, as a user I mean. | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | you can fine tune todya using the CLI | 16:35 |
| flanag | zbenjamin: could be that | 16:35 |
| parasemic | and that's why i hate reducing the colorfullness, downgrading ambience effect and going back towards "black background with icons" | 16:36 |
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| cb400f | ah, nice, just needed to install the latest version of adblock+ ... no need to reconfigure the thing | 16:38 |
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| parasemic | also, there seems to be a bug with alien dalvik having a colored line in multitasking panels right side | 16:39 |
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| parasemic | likely same thing that flanag linked about | 16:40 |
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| flanag | yup, it's mentioned there too | 16:40 |
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| flanag | asking again: has anyone got the "unlock the phone and get a black but lit screen" bug with the new update? I got those several times a day with earlier versions but today I haven't seen it happening | 16:43 |
| inffy | nope | 16:43 |
| flanag | soo, it can be pretty much confirmed that this update fixed the bug? | 16:44 |
| flanag | has anyone else anything to share about this? | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | flanag: not yet, but it happened rarely, hard to reproduce | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | the only thing i managed to break is the camera | 16:46 |
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| flanag | ok | 16:46 |
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| cb400f | flanag: also only happened rarely for me... 4-5 times in 2 monhts... but not yet in the 1 hr since I updated | 16:48 |
| cb400f | and when it happened I could easily snap out of it, by swiping down to sleep, and the double tapping to wake it again | 16:49 |
| Venemo | parasemic: it's not black at all | 16:49 |
| Venemo | parasemic: it's a glassy thing that lets you see the picture behind it | 16:49 |
| parasemic | venemo: not a single one of my ambiances is even barely visible when scrolling down to app launcher | 16:50 |
| parasemic | i prefer dark ambiances, so they produce basically just black with some very sublte elements of the original photo | 16:51 |
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| parasemic | subtle* | 16:51 |
| aranea | Hi. How is the XMPP support on Jolla meant to be used? I set up my XMPP account in the settings, but how do I use it? According to the manual it should be accessible from the Messaging app, but how? Sending a message doesn't work, and I also don't receive any... | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | aranea: are you logged in? | 16:54 |
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| clau2 | aranea, you need to go online | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | push bottom->up | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | pulley menu | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | set presence (or something) | 16:54 |
| clau2 | aranea: go to Events screen, and check the Pulley menu from there | 16:54 |
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| ggabriel | and set available | 16:54 |
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| ggabriel | the rest is magic | 16:55 |
| aranea | yes, I did that, but the pulley menu still shows "Presence: Offline" | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | maybe your password is wrong? | 16:55 |
| clau2 | are you sure the account is set correctly? | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | tip: your username has to be user@domain | 16:56 |
| clau2 | or maybe the cert is not accepted, if you use ssl | 16:56 |
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| parasemic | btw, is it safe enabling all the openrepos repos now? | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | after update probably | 16:57 |
| aranea | clau2: I'm not sure about all that. But at least there are no error messages, neither on the UI nor in the syslog | 16:57 |
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| ggabriel | xmpp error messages are indeed lacking | 16:58 |
| Venemo | parasemic: in the app launcher, yeah, it's quite dark for me too, however in applications it's quite visible | 16:58 |
| Venemo | NO! it isn't and is never, ever going to be safe to enable openrepos | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | there should be a test stage when setting that stuff up | 16:58 |
| clau2 | aranea: there's now an option to ignore SSL errors | 16:58 |
| coderus | parasemic: just dont use nieldk repo | 16:58 |
| clau2 | try it | 16:58 |
| coderus | all other repos tested and safe | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | poor nieldk | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | one mistake is all it takes | 16:58 |
| Venemo | what's in that nieldk repo, btw? | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | poison | 16:59 |
| coderus | updated warehouse will have notice if enabling repository contains system packages | 16:59 |
| goroboro | lol | 16:59 |
| goroboro | nieldk has some awesome stuff | 16:59 |
| coderus | ggabriel: its jolla mistake, not nieldk | 16:59 |
| Venemo | sure ggabriel, that's true for the entire openrepos crap, I was just curious about what kind of poison it is | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | coderus: i'm obviously kinda joking | 16:59 |
| * goroboro remembers to disable nieldk again | 16:59 | |
| ggabriel | at this stage, if you ask me, i'd enable as needed | 16:59 |
| coderus | jolla is the only company failing software update if some of user repos have system packages | 16:59 |
| goroboro | damn... I like his repo... he has all the useful stuff | 16:59 |
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| clau2 | was it fixed with latest update? | 17:00 |
| Venemo | ok, but WHAT exactly does he have? | 17:00 |
| Pnuu | clau2: yes | 17:00 |
| parasemic | Venemo: yeah, brighter ambiances seem fine while in app, but still very very dark in applauncher. darker ambiance however just fades out completely whenever outside lockscreen | 17:00 |
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| Venemo | parasemic: the background in the app launcher has always been opaque | 17:00 |
| goroboro | Venemo: lots of system and command line packages... daemons etc etc... wget, apache, squid etc etc | 17:00 |
| cb400f | aranea: I had one jabber account which I couldn't get to connect for the life of me either, but other jabber account works fine (when online, contacts appear in messaging app and can be written to) | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | coderus: well, it used to be beta, so i'd expect these scenarios tbh | 17:00 |
| Venemo | goroboro: so, things you should not mess with | 17:00 |
| FireFly | Why exactly is the entire idea of openrepos disregarded as "crap"? I think it seems like a sensible idea as long as it's used responsibly | 17:01 |
| parasemic | Venemo: not that much. its alot darker than before the update | 17:01 |
| FireFly | kinda like extras-devel on Maemo | 17:01 |
| goroboro | Venemo: I wouldn't say so... just stuff that your average user probably wouldn't use | 17:01 |
| cb400f | aranea: and yes, there's no error message or anything to see why it fails to connect | 17:01 |
| ggabriel | openrepos is cool, but you gotta know what you're doing | 17:01 |
| clau2 | Venemo: https://openrepos.net/user/500/programs | 17:01 |
| FireFly | (not that I've paid much attention.. but there seems to be lot of hate around it) | 17:01 |
| coderus | Venemo: new bash, bash-completion, sudo, openssl, prey, imagemagick, squid, openssh, mosh, p7zip, mc | 17:01 |
| coderus | for example | 17:01 |
| goroboro | but stuff like wget are great | 17:01 |
| Venemo | parasemic: allright | 17:01 |
| goroboro | imagemagick... awesome | 17:01 |
| coderus | Venemo: emough? | 17:02 |
| FireFly | mer-tools has some tools | 17:02 |
| coderus | enough*& | 17:02 |
| FireFly | but it could improve | 17:02 |
| coderus | nieldk have latest upstream versions, not *some* :) | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | hehe, i needed imagemagick to rotate a pdf in the past, but now i have tap to lock rotation :D :D | 17:02 |
| Venemo | I really have to develop that russian roulette app someday, just to prove that openrepos is dangerous | 17:02 |
| cvp | coderus: no, nothing with whatsapp | 17:02 |
| cb400f | :-) | 17:02 |
| FireFly | of course it's dangerous.. | 17:02 |
| FireFly | in the same way that AUR is dangerous, but it's still useful | 17:02 |
| * goroboro uses it a bit... | 17:03 | |
| coderus | Venemo: do you want me to develop russian roulette for Harbour to proof Harbour have no real security for users? | 17:03 |
| clau2 | :) | 17:03 |
| cvp | raa70: clau2 how do i have handle with mask/unmask .... my phone dont give any reaction if i put a other half to the phone !? | 17:03 |
| Venemo | coderus: hahah | 17:03 |
| goroboro | I have a python based app that probably would struggle to get to Harbour at the moment... so its on openrepos | 17:03 |
| FireFly | Well, I guess slightly more dangerous because you can't inspect the thing used to built the package | 17:03 |
| FireFly | build* | 17:03 |
| coderus | cvp: so what you want to show in Mitakuuluu folder then if you have no content?:) | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | what does russian roullette do without a gun? | 17:03 |
| cb400f | but harbour will have "leaf packages", nothing that'll break core parts of your system | 17:03 |
| cvp | coderus: before i do a factory reset i see in the GALARY app, a folder under Ambience , the name was "Mitakuuluu" | 17:04 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: if you lose, it will dd some bytes from /dev/random to your bootloader partition | 17:04 |
| coderus | Venemo: think twice when starting a war and look who is at the other side | 17:04 |
| cvp | coderus: i get this folder after i install your beta .32 | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: nice | 17:05 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: best played by multiple people! whoever has a bootable jolla for the longest time, wins | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | sounds fun | 17:05 |
| coderus | cvp: when you download some pictures with mitakuluu it will be showed | 17:05 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: right? | 17:05 |
| aranea | clau2, cb400f: thanks for info | 17:05 |
| coderus | until you have no pictures downloaded there is nothing to show | 17:05 |
| coderus | cvp: understood? | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: yeah, i wanna play now | 17:06 |
| cvp | coderus: aaahhh NOW i have it :D | 17:06 |
| Venemo | coderus: I don't have anything against openrepos, but have seen too many users messing with it who totally lack the expertise needed to deal with it | 17:06 |
| cvp | coderus: i dont download any files after factory reset :p | 17:06 |
| coderus | Venemo: 23:02 < Venemo> I really have to develop that russian roulette app someday, just to prove that openrepos is dangerous | 17:07 |
| coderus | of course you dont | 17:07 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: there could be a lighter edition which just deletes a random system file | 17:07 |
| FireFly | Venemo: they only have themselves to blame | 17:07 |
| cb400f | but they don't understand that | 17:07 |
| Venemo | an average user doesn't understand the risks | 17:07 |
| FireFly | then perhaps the danger of enabling developer mode should be further emphasised | 17:08 |
| cb400f | they can't fathom the idea, that someone publishes packages which are not thoroughly tested and idiot proof | 17:08 |
| Venemo | they just think "oooh, more cool apps" and enable it | 17:08 |
| FireFly | an average user shouldn't enable developer mode to begin with | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: there could be one that sends a nasty sms to a random contact in your list, international number preferred | 17:08 |
| Venemo | and then blame jolla if it blows up | 17:08 |
| coderus | Venemo: again: what the risks? | 17:08 |
| FireFly | It's not as if there's an "enable openrepos" button anywhere | 17:08 |
| cb400f | even experienced linux users do the same thing | 17:08 |
| parasemic | is there still any way to completely remove word prediction (and the useless space)? | 17:08 |
| coderus | Jolla failed system update mechanism | 17:08 |
| Venemo | coderus: no QA at all, is one risk | 17:08 |
| BasilSemuonov | Venemo, Please, create such app, and prove everything you want | 17:08 |
| coderus | all internet is risky | 17:08 |
| coderus | so? | 17:08 |
| FireFly | coderus: the risk of installing packages from untrusted sources | 17:08 |
| coderus | wanna vacuum? | 17:08 |
| BasilSemuonov | I would like to see, how Bash package (open sourced, yes?) will cause same situation if it were in chum repository | 17:09 |
| Venemo | I'm sorry if I couldn't explain my point more understandably. but if you don't get what I'm trying to say, please let's not argue about it any more | 17:09 |
| FireFly | BasilSemuonov: well, you wouldn't know that the package you install is compiled from the open-source source code (even if it claims to be), would you? | 17:09 |
| FireFly | if you install a binary package from openrepos | 17:09 |
| coderus | Venemo: we're started talking about Jolla failure | 17:09 |
| coderus | but you talking openrepos is evil :D | 17:10 |
| Venemo | I've been against openrepos from the beginning | 17:10 |
| clau2 | btw, can nemo user still run pkcon? | 17:10 |
| FireFly | yes | 17:10 |
| Venemo | and it still is bricking people's devices now :( | 17:10 |
| coderus | FireFly: we're not talking about FOSS | 17:10 |
| coderus | Venemo: again: its jolla mistake | 17:10 |
| FireFly | coderus: BasilSemuonov evidentily was... | 17:10 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: it could send "I hate you" to a random contact. the real challenge is localizing "I hate you" to as many languages as possible | 17:10 |
| Venemo | coderus: why would it be jolla's mistake? | 17:10 |
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| FireFly | Like, literally two lines above my response | 17:11 |
| Venemo | coderus: did jolla enable openrepos on your phone? no! so it's not their mistake | 17:11 |
| * cb400f blames the warehouse people :-) | 17:11 | |
| BasilSemuonov | oh, lol, Venemo, just lol. Any app in store is binary, and any app can steal/delete/send whatever to your contacts. | 17:11 |
| ggabriel | i don' tthink it's warehouse/openrepos or jolla's fault | 17:11 |
| coderus | Venemo: very difficult to explain something to a man if he earns money this misunderstanding | 17:11 |
| ggabriel | Venemo has a point: if you enable dev mode, it's pants free zone | 17:11 |
| Venemo | BasilSemuonov: yes, that's why we have QA | 17:11 |
| cb400f | openrepos are fine, just shouldn't be too accessible | 17:11 |
| Venemo | anyway | 17:11 |
| BasilSemuonov | Please create such application(russian roulette kind), and prove your point. Or stop whining. you already said that twice(or even more) | 17:11 |
| coderus | Venemo: jolla is the only system fails system update | 17:12 |
| clau2 | ggabriel: Sailfish OS is in need of some work on security. | 17:12 |
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| Venemo | I'd prefer not to argue about it any | 17:12 |
| clau2 | that's a fact. | 17:12 |
| Venemo | I'd prefer not to argue about it any further | 17:12 |
| ggabriel | clau2: how is that related? :) | 17:12 |
| coderus | i know no other system which can fail own system upgrade if some of the user repositories have system package replacement | 17:12 |
| coderus | its stupid Jolla mistake | 17:12 |
| BasilSemuonov | Venemo: you cant know what binary application doing today, and what it would do tomorrow. such QA is useless. did you know about logical bombs? | 17:12 |
| ggabriel | coderus: not sure you can do the same with ios for example | 17:12 |
| coderus | but you can not accept this, i understand it now | 17:12 |
| ggabriel | maybe it'd fail miserably | 17:12 |
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| BasilSemuonov | If people want to create malware, they do so. | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | anyway, tired of the subject too, do as you will, but be responsible | 17:13 |
| FireFly | Wait, when you publish something on harbour, do you upload pre-compiled binaries? | 17:13 |
| coderus | FireFly: sure | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: yup | 17:13 |
| FireFly | oh, okay | 17:13 |
| BasilSemuonov | ofcourse | 17:13 |
| coderus | FireFly: :S | 17:13 |
| Venemo | FireFly: of course | 17:13 |
| FireFly | I guess that makes sense | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | if you want to sell your application and whatnot | 17:13 |
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| clau2 | yes, but now, presumably you can put an app in Harbour that can do easily bad stuff | 17:15 |
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| clau2 | except for the issues caused by conflicting packages in openrepos and official repos, there isn't such a big difference between openrepos and harbour | 17:17 |
| Pnuu | QA | 17:18 |
| BasilSemuonov | conflics caused by wrong repository proirity policies: they are missing | 17:18 |
| clau2 | Pnuu: there is that, yes. But my guess is it's easy to do bad things and go unnoticed. | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | clau2: they test which files you touch etc etc, ofc tests can fail | 17:19 |
| Pnuu | repo checking came with the latest update | 17:19 |
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| Pnuu | clau2: true | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | in fact, it happened in the past with the email application | 17:19 |
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| clau2 | Pnuu: that's a great addition | 17:19 |
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| BasilSemuonov | ggabriel: application can do nothing, until external server, on may 1 2014 send a special string, which will be directly executed, and your phone will be backdoored. | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | BasilSemuonov: i know.... | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | that wasn't the point tho | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | a little bit of testing is better than no testing | 17:20 |
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| ggabriel | and i said i was tired of the subject anyway, not sure why i keep talking :P | 17:21 |
| clau2 | it's worse. considering how many bugs there are in browsers, you don't need to actually go through Harbour. | 17:21 |
| cvp | how do i have handle with mask/unmask/stop/start/statur tohd.service if the reading from toh is not working? | 17:21 |
| clau2 | you just need to find an exploitable bug in the default browser, and as soon as you can run your own code, you can run pkcon. | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | cvp: you want to enable it? | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | what's the status in the first place? | 17:21 |
| BasilSemuonov | little bit - yes, but all who create 'clean and stricts' apps already go for the harbour. others: replacements, conflics, and other cannot be added to chum (conflics with base system) | 17:22 |
| cvp | ggabriel: i do a factory reset + update, after that it not working anymore | 17:22 |
| clau2 | but I'll shut up, I'm sure this is going to be fixed in the future :) | 17:22 |
| ggabriel | cvp: define "work", and is your jolla account set up correctly? have oyu got access to the store? | 17:22 |
| cvp | of cource , i have access | 17:22 |
| ggabriel | can you see toh's id in system settings? (presumably a feature in the latest update) | 17:23 |
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| cvp | ggabriel: in wich place i find it in settings ? | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | i tihnk it's settings->system->about | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | i haven't got the phone with me i fear | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | and i gotta go soon | 17:24 |
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| ggabriel | try also a systemctl tohd.service status and tell us what it says | 17:24 |
| cvp | ggabriel: no there is n information about that | 17:24 |
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| cvp | tohd.service Loaded: masked (/dev/null) Active: inactive (dead) Warning: Unit file changed on disk, 'systemctl --system daemon-reload' recommened. | 17:26 |
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| ggabriel | cvp: ah, it's masked | 17:26 |
| cvp | huh, now its inactive... before was active... 2 minit ago | 17:26 |
| ggabriel | cvp: you want to unmask it | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | and then start it | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | I think | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | also, you can try what that is recommending :P | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | but not sure what you did to get there tbh | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | anyway gotta go | 17:27 |
| cvp | you mean systemctl unmask tohd.service and than systemctl start tohd.service | 17:27 |
| kimmoli_sailing | yes cvp | 17:27 |
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| cvp | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/tohd.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Tue, 18 Mar 2014 18:28:04 +0100; 26s ago Main PID: 2087 (tohd) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/tohd.service â 2087 /usr/sbin/tohd Mar 18 18:28:13 localhost tohd[2087]: tohd[2087] E: no/nul property 'TOHID' Mar 18 18:28:31 localhost tohd[2087]: tohd[2087] E: no/nul property 'TOHID' | 17:28 |
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| cvp | now i have The Other Half ID in my abput | 17:29 |
| cvp | about | 17:29 |
| cvp | but no pop up for downloading the theme | 17:29 |
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| parasemic | so, umm, there is no way to remove the word prediction? | 17:31 |
| kimmoli_sailing | hmm... try to reconnect it cvp | 17:31 |
| cvp | kimmoli_sailing: i do that | 17:32 |
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| cvp | hmmm , i put out .... and phone restart | 17:34 |
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| cvp | without TOH: [root@localhost nemo]# systemctl status tohd.service tohd.service - The Other Half Daemon (TOHD) Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/tohd.service; enabled) Active: active (running) since Tue, 18 Mar 2014 18:33:43 +0100; 44s ago Main PID: 795 (tohd) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/tohd.service â 795 /usr/sbin/tohd Mar 18 18:33:53 localhost tohd[795]: tohd[795] E: no/ | 17:34 |
| raa70 | cvp: look under ambiences in gallery | 17:35 |
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| junnuvi | has anyone else noticed extended delays before application will be available on store? Paketti has been approved 4 hours ago and still old version available on store.. | 17:35 |
| cvp | raa70: nothin inside | 17:36 |
| raa70 | k | 17:36 |
| cvp | also nothing with toh | 17:36 |
| AL13N | Sage-: ping? | 17:37 |
| AL13N | Sage-: would it be possible for you to reproduce this wlan state issue? the extreme differences in link level, is this normal, does everyone have this? | 17:38 |
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| AL13N | btw: anyone who will have wifi for the next few hours, want to help me out? | 17:39 |
| AL13N | it's fairly simple, just ping 8.8.8.8 in a fingerterm | 17:39 |
| AL13N | for a few hours | 17:39 |
| AL13N | afterwards, tell me amount of DUP and/or packet loss | 17:39 |
| AL13N | it's fine if it's on standby | 17:40 |
| Tegu | google approves | 17:40 |
| AL13N | Tegu: or something else... | 17:40 |
| mornfall | hmm, something's broken about internet sharing... it has a tendency to be unavailable on 3G | 17:40 |
| AL13N | but ip | 17:40 |
| AL13N | Tegu: do you want to? | 17:40 |
| mornfall | (even though the tethering app works) | 17:40 |
| junnuvi | I can try. Hopefully I can stay inside wlan coverage that long :) | 17:41 |
| AL13N | the important thing is that you're connected to wifi | 17:41 |
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| AL13N | junnuvi: thanks, it doesn't really matter if you go outside or whatnot, just after a few hours, report back, you should at least have sent 1000 packets | 17:41 |
| junnuvi | AL13N: is that better to ping routers ip address? | 17:41 |
| junnuvi | -s | 17:41 |
| AL13N | that's also acceptable | 17:42 |
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| AL13N | if you have received over 1000 packets that should at least be a good representation | 17:42 |
| AL13N | i would expect around 30 dups | 17:42 |
| AL13N | for 1000 received packets | 17:42 |
| AL13N | want to see if other people have this too | 17:42 |
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| junnuvi | ok, i will ping 1000 packets. Should I keep phone untouched? :O | 17:42 |
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| AL13N | junnuvi: better keep it running, not count, because of standby you will lose some | 17:43 |
| AL13N | just run it and break it off in a few hours | 17:43 |
| junnuvi | ok | 17:43 |
| AL13N | if possible surf on internet sometimes during | 17:43 |
| AL13N | just a few pages, nothing special | 17:43 |
| Tegu | okay router? sounds better. | 17:44 |
| AL13N | if you have no dups on icmp... that's what i really want to know | 17:44 |
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| junnuvi | AL13N: ok, i will use phone as normal during test. Some surfing and so on and also standby | 17:46 |
| Tegu | okay, the ping spam is on (router ip over wlan) | 17:47 |
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| cvp | IT WORKS | 17:48 |
| cvp | now he download the Black Theme | 17:49 |
| clau2 | hmm, where do email attachments go when you dl them? I can't find it in Documents anymore. | 17:49 |
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| clau2 | it's a pdf. | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | transfers? | 17:50 |
| Morpog | had a strange crash today on my jolla | 17:50 |
| cvp | My Steps: restart without TOH, deactivating dev mode, delete jolla account, activate again the jolla account with old login, than i put the TOH to the phone | 17:50 |
| Tegu | the usual reboot loop? | 17:50 |
| Morpog | green led blinked fast and didn't stop till i powered off the device | 17:50 |
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| clau2 | Stskeeps: just had two failures there, from earlier. however, the email app says downloaded. | 17:51 |
| Morpog | i did let it blink for about 2 minutes | 17:51 |
| clau2 | I'll test when I get home. | 17:51 |
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| clau2 | another possible issue I've noticed: the Settings app cover does not show that I have mobile data on anymore. maybe it's just a contrast issue though. | 17:53 |
| clau2 | actually, it shows correctly wifi status, so it's not a contrast issue. | 17:54 |
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| cvp | awww its not work, he doenst download | 17:56 |
| cvp | ok i go home... see you later | 17:56 |
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| junnuvi | coderus: seems like you might have forgot to change version information in about-page. It says v0.1-31 | 18:01 |
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| LuckyY | Question: What happens when you set the maximum tries of pin and lock it? | 18:21 |
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| Nicd- | LuckyY: it will ask for your PUK codoe | 18:26 |
| Nicd- | code* | 18:26 |
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| LuckyY | That's the sim pin? I'm talking about the device PIN | 18:27 |
| Nicd- | oh, the device lock code isn't called PIN :P | 18:27 |
| LuckyY | 'Device lock' | 18:28 |
| LuckyY | but yeah, I could've formulated the question better :) | 18:28 |
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| keithzg | Hmmm. Since the update, my microSDXC card (formatted as a single FAT32 partition) isn't auto-mounting, although I can see it just fine with fdisk -l. | 18:43 |
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| inffy | and you look from the right place?:) | 18:45 |
| inffy | /media/sdcard/xxxx | 18:45 |
| keithzg | Is that where it is now? I swear before it was in /run/user/10000/media/sdcard or such | 18:46 |
| keithzg | Certainly it isn't mounted there either though. I've only rebooted once since the update, though. | 18:46 |
| inffy | the update changed the sdcard path | 18:47 |
| keithzg | I specifically remember looking in /media expecting it there, and then not finding it | 18:47 |
| keithzg | ahhhh, I see I see | 18:47 |
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| keithzg | well, good, I like things to be mounted directly in /media! | 18:47 |
| * keithzg shakes fist at udisks2 | 18:47 | |
| keithzg | Aha, yeah, for some reason that second reboot did it, it's present in /media/sdcard/blahblah and my music has repopulated. | 18:48 |
| inffy | good | 18:48 |
| keithzg | Time for some rsyncing, since MTP seems brokenish and I forgot my card reader at home, oops. | 18:50 |
| keithzg | Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :) | 18:51 |
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| Trizt | AL13N: https://together.jolla.com/question/34316/should-be-able-to-lock-phone-at-once-when-having-delay-before-automatically-locking | 18:53 |
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| Trizt | see if that what you wanted | 18:53 |
| clau | hmm, new package already? feature-xt9 | 18:53 |
| Gordon` | argh | 18:53 |
| Gordon` | upgraded my Jolla yesterday, and I just had a reboot :( | 18:53 |
| Gordon` | I was taking a photo | 18:53 |
| Trizt | I think mine uses more battery today than before the update, had 3 days in between recharging , but today I have done it twice and not done more than usually (just listening to some mp3's) | 18:55 |
| thessy | does update bring caldav to sailfishos or only google calendar caldav? | 18:55 |
| clau | anyone else sees the new package? (pkcon refresh get-updates) | 18:56 |
| clau | I guess this was missed during yesterday's release | 18:56 |
| keithzg | thessy: Still no GUI frontend for CalDAV, although IIRC the backend is basically ready now, or at least is in Mer. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | if you have reboot after update, pull 10 mins, if persists, contact care | 18:58 |
| thessy | keithzg: no problem, do you have any howto information? | 18:58 |
| Gordon` | Stskeeps: I’ll try later | 18:58 |
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| clau | coderus, did the configuration location change? | 19:00 |
| clau | after update I get the registration screen again | 19:00 |
| keithzg | thessy: No idea, don't think it's tied into Sailfish really yet anyways. The actual package is buteo-sync-plugin-caldav. | 19:00 |
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| thessy | mh, i don't understand jollahq. Wanna be an open system, but before standards like caldav/carddav are implemented, some ms exchange stuff was made | 19:03 |
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| thessy | i will install syncevolution, since that worked on my n900 flawless with owncloud | 19:03 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, I must've messed up my setup when I was fixing my failed update, trying to refresh with pkcon and I get "Fatal error: File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/features/latest/xt9/armv7hl/?credentials=store'" | 19:11 |
| keithzg | Do I need to just "ssu re 1.0.4.20" or something of the sort? | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | if you've screwed around with pkcon or ssu, all errors are your own fault :P | 19:13 |
| keithzg | Stskeeps: No disagreement here, heh | 19:13 |
| clau | keithzg, there's an update of feature-xt9 | 19:14 |
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| jabis | I get that same error on my N9, with xt9 repo as well | 19:15 |
| clau | did you get it? | 19:15 |
| keithzg | Live by the sword, die by the sword ;) | 19:15 |
| jabis | well, I was expecting 0 of the repos to work with it x) | 19:15 |
| keithzg | clau: once I went "ssu re 1.0.4.20", no, no update show with "pkcon refresh get-updates" (but also no error) | 19:16 |
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| jabis | keithzg: and version --dup works or not? | 19:16 |
| clau | my bad, run get-updates separately | 19:16 |
| clau | pkcon get-updates | 19:16 |
| attah | Stskeeps: this is the one that i failed do describe yesterday: https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/ | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | attah: thanks | 19:17 |
| attah | my pleasure :) | 19:17 |
| mikma | stskeeps: should i start worrying that my apps won't update? | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | mikma: i don't know | 19:19 |
| Raim | Wnt: only now saw your earlier discussion. my exfat-nofuse branch for jolla did not change very much. I only had to patch one function call due to changes in the kernel API >= 3.5, but the Jolla kernel still identifies as 3.4, although it already has the backported change. otherwise the exfat kernel module worked fine for me. | 19:19 |
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| keithzg | clau: Did "pkcon update" before you said that, and it updated something but didn't say what, heh. I assume it was feature-xt9, but not clear. Does packagekit keep logs somewhere? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | (sorry guys, bit tired today..) | 19:20 |
| * keithzg has studiously avoided PackageKit until now | 19:20 | |
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| clau | keithzg, check version: rpm -qa|grep feature-xt9 | 19:21 |
| clau | or, better: rpm -qi feature-xt9 | 19:21 |
| keithzg | Stskeeps: Your rest is a well-deserved one! | 19:22 |
| keithzg | clau: Aha, that second command is far easier to type into fingerterm, heh. 10.1.16.jolla | 19:23 |
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| keithzg | jabis: version --dup works, installed updates to qmf-notification translations and the yandex store too. | 19:23 |
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| clau | same, which means you've installed it. | 19:24 |
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| keithzg | So has anyone succeeded using MTP on Linux for their Jolla? For the past year I've always just used KDE's MTP KIO, but Jolla's implementation seems to entirely baffle it both before and after this update. | 19:35 |
| keithzg | Not surprised, MTP is a terrifying beast, but curious if anyone's used an implmentation on Linux that works with their Jolla. | 19:36 |
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| cvp | re | 19:36 |
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| Morpog | motorola moto 360, is the first smartwatch which looks good | 19:37 |
| Morpog | http://moto360.motorola.com/ | 19:38 |
| keithzg | Oh wow, that looks really good. | 19:38 |
| flanag | oh, it's circular | 19:38 |
| keithzg | I suddenly feel very sorry for Pebble. | 19:38 |
| Morpog | and with android wear OS they just destroyed stskeeps ideas :D | 19:39 |
| keithzg | On the other hand, I'm sure like every damn Motorola device they won't sell it in Canada, so whatever :P | 19:39 |
| tbr | Morpog: they also killed tizen | 19:39 |
| Morpog | motorola? | 19:40 |
| tbr | why run tizen if you can run wearOS | 19:40 |
| Morpog | ah, google | 19:40 |
| Morpog | true | 19:40 |
| keithzg | tbr: I doubt Samsung will give up on Tizen so quickly, though. It's their Plan B in case they ever need to break from Google. | 19:40 |
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| Morpog | samsung is announced as android wear partner, so seems to be really a bad day for tizen | 19:40 |
| tbr | keithzg: they made a deal with google | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog: who says it's dead? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog: i just see more development platforms. | 19:41 |
| pp_ | hmn, looks like rhythmbox and vlc are only mtp capable tools (or rather libmtp-utilizing) on my fedora box | 19:41 |
| Morpog | Stskeeps, not dead, but very tough competition | 19:41 |
| pp_ | dunno what I'd want to do with rhythmbox connecting to my jolla, I can just sshfs :-) | 19:41 |
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| pawky | duh? is sailfish not beta anymore whilst still not having MMS??? | 19:42 |
| minimec | keithzg: I did some basic tests with with MTP today on Ubuntu 12.04, 13.10, and 14.04. I was able to connect and the folders showed up without 'tuning'. Also copied some music folders to the phone. Seems working ok with all three of them, using nautilus filemanager in Unity or e17. | 19:42 |
| tbr | pawky: mms is a niche feature nowadays | 19:42 |
| pawky | tbr: maybe in your world, but not mine... | 19:43 |
| minimec | keithzg: I prefer sftp over wifi. Seems even faster with my router... | 19:43 |
| tbr | tough luck | 19:43 |
| Morpog | pawky, remember iOS :D | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog: competition is good | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:43 |
| pawky | Morpog: yes, and all the crap they've gotten for not having it... which they changed... | 19:43 |
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| Morpog | pawky, and not look at how many developers apple has and how many jolla got ;) | 19:44 |
| Morpog | now | 19:44 |
| Yaniel | what is this world you speak of? | 19:44 |
| Eztran | Well, it's not like MMS isn't going to be introduced eventually, just that they don't consider MMS required for 1.0. | 19:44 |
| keithzg | minimec: That's what I do too, but not possible at my work in the way we have the wifi segregated from our desktops. Not insurmountable, but slightly inconvenient. | 19:44 |
| pawky | Morpog: true... but I would still say, not having one of the basic communication protocols, would still make it beta... anybody in a hurry? | 19:44 |
| Morpog | pawky, you can seem them work hard on MMS in nemomobile repos | 19:44 |
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| pawky | Morpog: that's what I heard, and that's why I thought its included in 1.0 | 19:45 |
| keithzg | Heh my phone plan doesn't include MMS, since it's from when my carrier was new and hadn't cut the right deals with the incumbents in Canada. But I consider my plan's lack of MMS a feature, not a bug ;) | 19:45 |
| pawky | keithzg: Well, where I am, there is no extra charge for MMS compared to SMS, thats why its used a lot here.. | 19:46 |
| tbr | pawky: they don't support CSD and FAX! send it back! such basic protocols! | 19:46 |
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| pawky | tbr: well, i highgly doubt they support Morse as well, but its a bit of topic don't you think? | 19:47 |
| pawky | tbr: MMS, is used a lot in contries not charging extra for it. | 19:47 |
| tbr | pawky: the difference being, that CSD and fax _was_ standard feature of many phones | 19:47 |
| keithzg | pawky: Fair enough, different places have different situations. For me, data is free, so why would I use MMS even if it was free too? (which it is if it was part of my plan; without it being part of my plan I can't even use it at all, it just doesn't work) | 19:47 |
| pawky | tbr: and Morse the first standard communication protocol | 19:47 |
| FiSHBoY | yeah, in the US MMS is included in messaging, I don't pay extra for it, and I do expect it to be there | 19:47 |
| pp_ | hehe, I remember sending faxes on a 2110i 20 years ago or so | 19:48 |
| tbr | pawky: I'm just having a field day with your claim that it's a must have feature | 19:48 |
| FiSHBoY | and if you don't support MMS, why support SMS if we're talking about protocol age, SMS is older ;) | 19:48 |
| FiSHBoY | so that's kind of a silly argument | 19:48 |
| tbr | pawky: you're free to your opinion, nobody is taking that from you. but saying that they should bow to it is kinda ridiculous | 19:48 |
| FiSHBoY | the point is some countries use it more that others, just because it's not common in yours doesn't mean it's not common elsewhere :) | 19:49 |
| Eztran | you're making the exact opposite mistake, just because you use a feature... | 19:49 |
| pawky | keithzg: because, needing to send a picture to someone who only has a phone at hand, MMS is the only reliable way to ensure they can actually fetch it, compared to E-mail which the person might not have configured. | 19:49 |
| pawky | Eztran: in what way? | 19:49 |
| keithzg | pawky: If someone sends me an MMS, I don't get it. Thus it's unreliable! | 19:49 |
| keithzg | I mean, seriously, if someone sends me an MMS absolutely nothing happens. No matter what phone I might put my SIM into. | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | FiSHBoY | yeah, in the US MMS is included in messaging, I don't pay extra for it | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | let's remember that the US is not a market Jolla targets yet | 19:51 |
| pawky | keithzg: probably because your provider doesn't give you a pre configured SIM card.. | 19:51 |
| tbr | ah yes, US _the_ target market for jolla. not. | 19:51 |
| keithzg | pawky: It was pre-configured. | 19:51 |
| pawky | Yaniel: No, but the nordic countries are.. | 19:51 |
| FiSHBoY | I know, I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying different markets have different commonly used things :) | 19:51 |
| pawky | keithzg: well, its a support issue... | 19:51 |
| keithzg | pawky: As stated before, my plan does not include MMS, even as an ability. Trust me, I later worked for the cellular provider for a few months, my plan doesn't support it. I'd have to switch to a different plan for it to. | 19:52 |
| tbr | pawky: in finland MMS between networks doesn't even work reliably... | 19:52 |
| cvp | coderus: you here ? | 19:52 |
| pawky | FiSHBoY: and i agree, but saying MMS is something people don't use anymore might be a bit narrow minded, or looking a bit to regional... | 19:52 |
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| FiSHBoY | I agree with that ;) | 19:53 |
| FiSHBoY | that is the point I was trying to make | 19:53 |
| Eztran | Jolla also haven't ever said that :) | 19:53 |
| keithzg | pawky: In fairness, that's also in part why Jolla isn't selling devices worldwide yet (*sob*) | 19:53 |
| FiSHBoY | I believe Jolla has said they will be adding it, yes? | 19:53 |
| Eztran | Yeah, they're working on it, it just didn't make 1.0. | 19:53 |
| pp_ | yep, it's "upstream" in some form as we speak | 19:53 |
| pawky | keithzg: so, its an issue between you and your provider. But there are other people in other countries who have MMS included as a standard protocol, to them MMS is of importance. | 19:53 |
| FiSHBoY | as long as it's there before they get to my region I'm fine ;) | 19:54 |
| FiSHBoY | it was kinda odd with the N900 when we had to wait for a 3rd party app | 19:54 |
| pp_ | it's a particularly nasty piece of protocol to implement so I'm not expecting a release any time soon, but it's getting there ;) | 19:54 |
| pawky | FiSHBoY: well, at the beginning, but if not remembering wrong it later got included. | 19:54 |
| keithzg | pawky: I'm not saying it isn't! I'm just giving an anecdotal example of the exact opposite situation | 19:54 |
| Eztran | pawky: well, same thing here really :) | 19:54 |
| pawky | well, maybe I am speaking to all people not having z in their aliases then... | 19:55 |
| keithzg | pawky: Honestly MMS in Canada is a bit of a mess in general, it fails to send between providers fairly frequently from what I've observed. The only people I know who tend to send picture messages are those using iOS, and that's not via MMS. | 19:55 |
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| FiSHBoY | I am from Canada, and I don't recall it being much of an issue | 19:56 |
| FiSHBoY | at least in BC :P | 19:56 |
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| keithzg | FiSHBoY: Apparently Alberta is a hellhole, then, but it's not like we didn't already know that ;) | 19:56 |
| FiSHBoY | haha | 19:56 |
| pawky | for those countries to where MMS is used on a daily basis, its highly un competitive to provide an OS in 2014 not having MMS... | 19:56 |
| pawky | I mean, th IOS (and the N900) had this problem in... 2008... | 19:57 |
| pawky | its 2014 for christ sake! | 19:57 |
| pawky | MMS should be included... | 19:57 |
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| Eztran | MMS was, if anything, used more back in 2008. | 19:58 |
| Eztran | though actually I have no idea why I'm arguing this as I use MMS semi-regularly despite having to pay for it. | 19:58 |
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| coderus | cvp: yup | 20:01 |
| coderus | clau: what configuration? | 20:01 |
| cvp | coderus: is it not possible to integrade the possibility to choose the path where save the pics/videos from mitakuuluu... like phone & sdcard | 20:02 |
| cvp | ? | 20:02 |
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| Venemo | hi | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 20:06 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, the password I set and type in for devel-su isn't working for ssh USB networking, odd. I wonder what I'm foolishly forgetting, heh. | 20:06 |
| Venemo | mooo Stskeeps :) | 20:08 |
| Yaniel | keithzg: username? | 20:09 |
| keithzg | Yaniel: nemo, no? | 20:09 |
| Yaniel | nemo | 20:09 |
| Yaniel | do you have an IP for both the phone and your pc on the osb connection? | 20:10 |
| Yaniel | usb* | 20:10 |
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| Yaniel | (I use a public key auth anyway so I wouldn't notice :P) | 20:11 |
| keithzg | Yaniel: Yup, I've got the phone as 192.168.2.15 (as per default) and I have the desktop using the USB connection as 192.168.2.1, seems to see it and ping fine, hmm, lets see what ssh -v says... | 20:11 |
| coderus | cvp: i can add it after buying sdcard :) | 20:11 |
| keithzg | But I should probably just copy over a public key, yeah | 20:11 |
| cvp | coderus: :p ok | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | .1 sounds like it could be an issue | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | I always use .42 | 20:12 |
| coderus | keithzg: if you didnt set password manually in developer mode settings it resetted, afaik | 20:12 |
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| keithzg | coderus: Oh, hmm. Well, I set it again deliberately a few minutes ago to make sure. | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | keithzg: try any ip that is not .1, .0 or .255 | 20:13 |
| jabis | my password vanished from the UI after the update, tho shadow file was intact | 20:13 |
| jabis | (the developer-mode one) | 20:14 |
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| jabis | now a beer, a few cigs and off to bed -> | 20:17 |
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| circ-user-DusfZ | Hey there, anyone here? | 20:18 |
| Yaniel | you are going to ask something, aren't you? | 20:19 |
| Yaniel | just ask then :) | 20:19 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | Well first of I'm MoritzJT on twitter... | 20:20 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | Chrome irc client is not that handy | 20:20 |
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| Yaniel | I can recommend IRC for sailfish | 20:21 |
| CoderCandy | new update is nice | 20:21 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | Anyhow I just saw my developer mode had deactivated itself for no reason, even though it worked after the latest update just fine. So I tried reenabling it, which crashed the settings app. I tried it again and it took ages then crashed my phone, which went into a green rapid blinking bootloop, I pulled the battery and restarted. Now I can't open developer mode settings applet and I can't open accounts applet | 20:21 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | I can't type that much and fast on SailfishOS | 20:21 |
| CoderCandy | I really like the new touch-keyboard. | 20:22 |
| Yaniel | circ-user-DusfZ: did you update to 1.0.4.20? | 20:22 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | Yes I did. I also safely did all necessary steps to disable openrepos stuff. Enabled it after successful update again though. | 20:22 |
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| keithzg | Hrmm, after changing my PC's IP for the USB networking my Jolla is now outright refusing the connection. | 20:23 |
| CoderCandy | hmm, what's openrepos? | 20:23 |
| flanag | "OpenRepos is a community driven personal repository system for Harmattan and Sailfish operating systems." | 20:24 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | A 3rd party repository directory that offers another channel for pulling and installing apps | 20:24 |
| chem|st | CoderCandy: there'll be dragons | 20:24 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | WHAT THE F**** I lost everything after the reboot fuckup. Messages, accounts EVERYTHING -.- | 20:25 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | Might as well use it as a brick :P | 20:25 |
| CoderCandy | Cool, I like dragona | 20:25 |
| CoderCandy | dragons* | 20:25 |
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| * keithzg disabled developer mode, re-enabled, now ssh works . . . *shrug* don't look a gift horse in the mouth, I guess | 20:26 | |
| circ-user-DusfZ | how can I enable dev mode from terminal instead of UI? | 20:27 |
| clau | coderus, it appears whatsapp.db was cleaned. *But*, I had to uninstall mitakuuluu and reinstall it. | 20:29 |
| clau | coderus, I restored it from a 1 day old backup though. | 20:29 |
| circ-user-DusfZ | ssu says unable to open /etc/boardname. | 20:30 |
| minimec | circ-user-DusfZ: I had a crash of the jolla settings app today. Afterwards, I had no mail accounts anymore. A reboot brought them back, but lipstick was kind of reset. All icons were rearranged. Took me some time to move them back. What I want to say: Try to shutdown the device again... and hope... ;) | 20:31 |
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| circ-user-DusfZ | minimec : thanks for the tip | 20:32 |
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| flanag | interesting tweet | 20:32 |
| flanag | https://twitter.com/MarcDillonDotFi/status/445910629920956416 | 20:32 |
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| circ-user-DusfZ | F meeee.... Now a switch off and switch on gives me the rapid green blinking again -.- | 20:35 |
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| CoderCandy | Hmm, I should get the Sailfish SDK | 20:38 |
| CoderCandy | I wanna do stuff | 20:38 |
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| coderus | clau: when uninstalling database and config deletes | 20:40 |
| clau | coderus, I had no idea, but I thought this is the cause. | 20:40 |
| coderus | there is no "?" mark in my message | 20:40 |
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| clau | CoderCandy, neither did I think there was :) | 20:41 |
| clau | uhm, coderus, not CoderCandy | 20:42 |
| CoderCandy | :p | 20:42 |
| CoderCandy | It should be illegal to have more than 2 characters the same at beginnings of nick. | 20:42 |
| clau | definitely | 20:43 |
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| circ-user-DusfZ | I think I found the reason: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 20:44 |
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| circ-user-DusfZ | But I have done a funky looped symlink | 20:44 |
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| clau | coderus, the left icon on cover is supposed to show current presence setting, or the next you can select? | 20:48 |
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| clau | btw, it looks nice. | 20:49 |
| coderus | clau: next | 20:49 |
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| fuz_ | i made it! 24h uptime yeah !! | 20:50 |
| clau | coderus, woudn't it be more useful to show the current presence setting instead? | 20:50 |
| Nightmare__ | talking about mitäkuuluu: has anyone also log in problems? mine is stuck in "authorizing", all versions 1.32 and 2.1, setting up the account worked, but its stuck after that | 20:51 |
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| clau | it's generally working for me, with a few exceptions when connection drops, and that's not necessarily a mitakuuluu problem. | 20:52 |
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| Nightmare__ | strange, i tried all i can think of, reinstall, reboot, using wifi, using mobile data,...last one would be factory reset | 20:54 |
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| minimec | Nightmare__: Right now I am giving mitäkuuluu a first try. Before I used wazapp on the n9. I had no problem installing it via warehouse, registrating the device and so on. I am online right now. | 20:58 |
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| Nightmare__ | yesterday i had no problem | 21:01 |
| louisdk | When I plug the micro usb into my Jolla I can feel that it's little bit loose. It's not much. Should I be concerned about that? I do really take care of my Jolla and use a protective case with it. | 21:01 |
| pdanek | new internet sharing works better for me than tethering app | 21:02 |
| pdanek | it holds connection longer | 21:02 |
| clau | louisdk, I found the original cable to be low quality. I'm using the old one from N9, it fits much better. | 21:02 |
| clau | louisdk, but otherwise, no idea if you should worry, sorry. | 21:02 |
| pdanek | I left it over night and in the morning, internet on laptop was still functional, with tethering app I had to refresh | 21:02 |
| alcedo | Hi. The ability to categorize the phone numbers (private/work/mobile) suddently vanished from my Peoples app. I did quite some changes to my phone in the last few hours, so I'm not sure about the reason. Is it because of the OS update? | 21:02 |
| louisdk | clau: I do also use the old one from my N9. I don't think that this is really a big issue. | 21:04 |
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| cvp | https://together.jolla.com/question/34010/solved-no-ambience-in-home-screengallery-since-update-to-10420/ | 21:08 |
| cvp | ...if some have the same problem ;) | 21:09 |
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| ggabriel | tbr: thanks :) i'll peek | 21:12 |
| ggabriel | tbr: wrong channel, sorry | 21:13 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... my brightness slider doesn't make any difference | 21:14 |
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| clau | ggabriel, works fine for me. it changes brightness gradually though (over 1 second maybe?), so maybe it's not so visible. | 21:16 |
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| coderus | clau: no idea :) | 21:21 |
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| clau | coderus, I was thinking that maybe it's easier to use if you see the current setting, because you don't need to remember the order of the settings. For instance, right now I see the icon for "always offline", but I can't remember what was before it :). | 21:24 |
| clau | on the other hand, after a while you get used to it. | 21:25 |
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| stephg | I have chocolate | 21:26 |
| aranea | aranea = alcedo, so you can still answer my question, even tough alcedo parted... | 21:26 |
| clau | stephg, just don't abuse it, it's not healthy. | 21:26 |
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| stephg | it's a poor substitute for beer or wine right now but it'll do | 21:27 |
| stephg | ;) | 21:27 |
| raa70 | nothing is healthy, it's all about the dosage | 21:27 |
| netzvieh | well chocolate is substituting beer and wine just fine | 21:27 |
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| netzvieh | only two things are not substitutable by chocolate: bacon and pizza :D | 21:27 |
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| ggabriel | clau: ta | 21:30 |
| stephg | netzvieh, chocolate and bacon just about go | 21:31 |
| stephg | chocolate and pizza however... | 21:31 |
| Bawal | did someone mention bacon | 21:32 |
| coderus | clau: post in cover actions issue, let users decide | 21:32 |
| clau | coderus, fair enough :). I will do it tomorrow though, because I'm about to leave. | 21:33 |
| netzvieh | stephg: well, that's a nice idea. I'll order pizza, fry the bacon and dip both in chocolate. i think bacon with chocolate could be very delicious. with pizza depends :D | 21:35 |
| stephg | chocolate and bacon is a thing | 21:35 |
| stephg | (never tried it myself, but I can imagine) | 21:35 |
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| CraigA | so this recent software update still didn't enable 4g? | 21:55 |
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| ggabriel | nope | 21:56 |
| CraigA | so much for 4G Q1 then I guess : | 21:56 |
| Quu | CraigA: "is 4g still disabled?" | 21:56 |
| CraigA | I'm probably gonna have to get another phone for now, I can't stand this 2G business for much longer lol | 21:57 |
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| ggabriel | there is 3g | 21:59 |
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| sardini | even one legend talk about 3.5G, but don't know if it's really true | 22:05 |
| pp_ | heh, there's a notification when setting alarms now "Expiring in 8 hours 39 minutes" | 22:06 |
| pp_ | I suppose I'd expire if I didn't get enough sleep :P | 22:07 |
| Quu | its nice small feature :) | 22:07 |
| Yaniel | kind of depressing though | 22:07 |
| pp_ | yea, if it notices you're going to get only 2.5h sleep it could motivate you! | 22:07 |
| pp_ | "You will expire in 2.5 hours :(" | 22:07 |
| Quu | pp_: but not every use of alarmclock is to wake up | 22:07 |
| Quu | eg. i usually have one alarm for waking up and second to remind me to get to work.. :p | 22:08 |
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| disharmonic | So, still no 2way calender sync | 22:13 |
| Quu | sure? | 22:14 |
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| keithzg | I really like when alarms tell me how long until they go off, was surprised that the Jolla one didn't, good to see it does now. | 22:16 |
| Quu | disharmonic: works for me. | 22:16 |
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| keithzg | CragA: Lucky you have any G's, Jolla won't even work on my carrier at all, I'm running around with "as long as my Nexus 4 can keep its wifi hotspot up" as my connection ;) | 22:17 |
| disharmonic | Quu: I'm actually just downloading the update. I didn't see it mentioned in the changelog though. good to know they fixed that. thks | 22:17 |
| Quu | disharmonic: iirc its first thing in the changelog.. | 22:17 |
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| TMavica | coderus: https://db.tt/1guv8dkE | 22:17 |
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| coderus | TMavica: i got your file already | 22:25 |
| TMavica | ok. | 22:26 |
| coderus | you shouldnt send it public :) | 22:26 |
| coderus | remove file | 22:26 |
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| TMavica | ok | 22:26 |
| coderus | someone can steal your account :) | 22:26 |
| disharmonic | Quu: You mean this "Automatically sync calendars"? | 22:26 |
| TMavica | coderus: i not at home, this is fast way..lol. | 22:28 |
| TMavica | coderus: cant private msg in irc in on jolla | 22:29 |
| TMavica | lol | 22:29 |
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| Quu | disharmonic: well, did you check the second line then? | 22:39 |
| Quu | disharmonic: the part where it says "Two-way sync for google calendar" | 22:40 |
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| kelvan | it's a pity there is still no generic caldav support, last big feature missing for me. but concentrate on bug fixes and paper cuts seems to payed off, sailfish feels much more stable now | 22:45 |
| cvp | what is Sailchat exactly ? is there some more informations avout ?? | 22:45 |
| * disharmonic disharmonic must be blind :P | 22:45 | |
| disharmonic | gn | 22:46 |
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| circ-user-aBYoz | You want to know what a pity is? A pity is that Jolla actually went with the BTRFS filesystem. It's far too unstable and can get locked to the point where you have to send your device in for maintenance because there's no way to recover other that a reflash, which we can't as they won't release the images :-/ | 22:49 |
| circ-user-aBYoz | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 22:49 |
| circ-user-aBYoz | http://coldattic.info/shvedsky/pro/blogs/a-foo-walks-into-a-bar/posts/70 | 22:49 |
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| Kabouik | Is somebody here currently working on folders for the app launcher? I know it's on TJC, but the thread is old | 22:51 |
| cvp | problem is, that only jolla have access to the UI :( | 22:52 |
| cvp | we have to wait and hope that there will release it self | 22:52 |
| Kabouik | And I know folders would require one extra tap to launch an application, but (i) in Sailfish, all important apps are permanently running in multitask, (ii) one extra tap is better than 5 extra scrolls to find the last installed app, (iii) no folders and 3+ pages of launcher = terrible mess (no motivation for sorting that mess), and (iv) would be possible to leave apps outside folders, like on N9 | 22:53 |
| Kabouik | Crap, that's a shame we can't do anything here | 22:53 |
| Nightmare__ | https://together.jolla.com/question/274/pbap-bluetooth-profile-support-is-requested/ <- the feature i miss most | 22:54 |
| cvp | same think like SIP Call on telephaty, Chats like ICQ and more in Accounts.... file transfer/groupchat with xmpp and much more... no access .... | 22:55 |
| Eztran | actually, you do have access to some of that. | 22:55 |
| cvp | yeah aber not to put it into UI | 22:55 |
| cvp | aber = but :D | 22:56 |
| Eztran | Sure, there's nothing you can do where there's a backend but no front, but that's not always the case. | 22:56 |
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| special | cvp: and if people work on the backend in OSS, it requires less of our time to bring it into the UI. | 23:06 |
| cvp | special: you living :) | 23:07 |
| special | hm? | 23:07 |
| cvp | long time hear about from you :) | 23:07 |
| cvp | ...ago | 23:07 |
| special | I've been very busy with ..something | 23:08 |
| Kabouik | With folders in app launcher special, say it now! | 23:08 |
| cvp | :p | 23:09 |
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| special | https://twitter.com/marcdillondotfi/status/445910629920956416 | 23:10 |
| cvp | mms ;) | 23:11 |
| * keithzg crosses his fingers for CalDAV/CardDAV | 23:11 | |
| keithzg | (the latter moreso, since I just lazily use Google Calendar these days) | 23:12 |
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| Kabouik | MMS make me happy too. Add calendar sync, "set as unread" in each email's pulley, folders in launcher, and a way to have >9 covers, and I'll be really happy. :') | 23:13 |
| cvp | and and and and and | 23:13 |
| cvp | ;) | 23:13 |
| keithzg | Oh, folders in launcher would be a godsend | 23:13 |
| Kabouik | Yep, and notice that I kept the list short cvp! | 23:13 |
| Kabouik | (Because I'm on IRC, the wishlist would be longer on TJC :P) | 23:14 |
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| keithzg | It's getting extremely unwieldy for me, personally. | 23:14 |
| special | is there a tjc item on folders? | 23:14 |
| Kabouik | Yes special | 23:14 |
| Kabouik | I just checked it, there was ~400 votes and a "generic" answer from Jolla because it's under consideration | 23:14 |
| Kabouik | keithzg me too, I have 7 launcher pages, I'm at a point where I don't even want to search the app I want, and survive without launching it :P | 23:15 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, folders are really needed ASAP | 23:16 |
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| M4rtinK | developers are careless, releasing new apps all the time! | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | its getimg more and more critical every day! :D | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | *getting | 23:16 |
| Kabouik | I used ":P", but I REALLY give up when I need an app now, except very basic ones like SMS or mails | 23:16 |
| artemma | QuickLauncher could possibly help meanwhile? ;) | 23:17 |
| Kabouik | I'm slowly regressing to the state of Nokia 331, in the Smartphone Evolution Theory. | 23:17 |
| Kabouik | 3310 | 23:17 |
| * artemma was thinking about a pseudo-folder app (an app that would be nearly identical to a single favorites folder), but decided not to start as Jolla is going to do folders soon anyway | 23:18 | |
| cvp | good night :D | 23:20 |
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