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| Kabouik | Hi guys$ | 01:43 |
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| Kabouik | Does anyone have FBReader installed on his Jolla? | 01:43 |
| Kabouik | I need help to add an epub to the library | 01:43 |
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| gabriel9|work | morning | 08:09 |
| gabriel9|work | and is there some update? :D | 08:09 |
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| stephg | not that I know of | 08:12 |
| suy | Ironically, an update was published on Friday... to BB10 OS :) | 08:13 |
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| Nicd- | early next week passed already! where's the update?! I demand my money back from this free update! | 08:17 |
| Nicd- | there, I said it all. now we can be quiet for this day :P | 08:17 |
| Hartzi | :---D | 08:17 |
| Niuran | early next week first hours passed too, i find reasonable your demand | 08:18 |
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| Niuran | :p | 08:18 |
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| Niuran | i am curious about the new features of the update,not only the camera settings and things like these | 08:20 |
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| Niuran | by the way,is there any option of having OTG in the Jolla phone? | 08:23 |
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| tbr | Niuran: OTG is a straight no. USB host mode, yes but without VDD, just D+/D-, so you need to inject 5V through e.g. a USB hub or a splice cable. | 08:26 |
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| Niuran | Ok | 08:27 |
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| tbr | Niuran: phdeswer was trying things there and there are even some building blocks in middle ware and UI. Currently AFAIU the kernel still needs some config change to enable device/host mode switching | 08:27 |
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| Niuran | the energy should be suplied by a dedicated toh? | 08:28 |
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| tbr | Niuran: there is no way to draw sufficient power from inside the phone IMHO. the 3.3V rail available for TOH is limited to around 100mA. so you might get away with stepping that up to 5V and running a USB stick to quickly copy some files, but anything more involved will kill your battery real quick. | 08:31 |
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| Acce | 2 | 08:32 |
| Acce | whoops | 08:32 |
| Niuran | understand | 08:32 |
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| Venemo_j | morning | 08:56 |
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| Sail0r | yyay my first random shutdown :x | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | ouch | 08:59 |
| Nicd- | my random shutdowns stopped \o/ | 08:59 |
| Nicd- | on their own | 08:59 |
| Acce | Nicd-: they moved on to Sail0r's device | 09:00 |
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| Nicd- | sorry Sail0r | 09:00 |
| Sail0r | battery was running down fast before the shutdown took place | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | no give backs | 09:00 |
| Sail0r | but after turning it on again battery was back at 70% | 09:00 |
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| tango_ | quick question: voip (asterisk) on jolla. possible? | 09:09 |
| tango_ | (ideally in Presence, just like with the n900) | 09:09 |
| tobiski | I've been having those shutdowns quite a lot lately | 09:10 |
| tango_ | oh found it | 09:10 |
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| tango_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/ <- "in the queue" | 09:10 |
| * tango_ sighs | 09:10 | |
| tobiski | has anyone come to a conclusion why does the phone boot itself? | 09:11 |
| tbr | tango_: middleware supports it. I had working calls for values of working, audio policy and call ui need fixing. community is welcome to help. | 09:12 |
| tobiski | it does it in normal use. One time I tried to got to phone settings and it booted up, the other time I opened mail application | 09:12 |
| tango_ | tbr: yep, seen the tjc posts | 09:12 |
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| tango_ | I'm afraid I don't have the free time to contribute at the moment, sadly 8-/ | 09:13 |
| tbr | I lack both time and proper knowledge/skill | 09:13 |
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| tango_ | hm even at maximum brightness the jolla screen is hard to read in full direct sunlight | 09:54 |
| tango_ | at least the first half theme | 09:54 |
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| Venemo_j | tango_: same for all ambiences | 10:34 |
| tango_ | Venemo_j: ok | 10:34 |
| tango_ | I don't suppose there's a way to improve that? the keyboard in particular is absolutely invisible | 10:34 |
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| Venemo_j | tango_: I tried several ambiences, it was of no use | 10:35 |
| coderus | need high contrast ambiance :) | 10:35 |
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| * coderus always writing ambiance instead on ambience :) | 10:36 | |
| Stskeeps | like swipe and push.. | 10:37 |
| Acce | tango_: solution: http://i.imgur.com/yJ9kP0v.jpg | 10:37 |
| Acce | or: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2010/04/tv-hat.jpg | 10:38 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | i use always at lowest brightness and have no trouble (but i live in finland) | 10:39 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | and based on mwc leaked info, there is some improvement specially for vkb. | 10:40 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | in next update. | 10:41 |
| roboro | I've been experiencing my first random reboots this weekend... once in the middle of a call... not good! I hope this is resolved in the next update | 10:43 |
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| GentSir | kimmoli_sailing_: How is the hardware keyboard project going? | 10:54 |
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| kimmoli | GentSir: some delays in code cleanup, | 11:01 |
| GentSir | kimmoli: Wasn't the code hacked together rather quickly so it could be demoed at MWC? | 11:02 |
| kimmoli | during late hours, yes | 11:02 |
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| mornfall | yeah, contrast is increasingly a problem | 11:03 |
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| mornfall | there was a hwkb on mwc? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:05 |
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| Kiranos | whisch color is the default jolla phones other half? | 11:16 |
| Pnuu | white | 11:16 |
| Kiranos | nice | 11:16 |
| ln- | caucasian | 11:16 |
| Kiranos | I dont really like any of the two new ones you can buy | 11:17 |
| stephg | quite like aloe | 11:19 |
| stephg | actually like both of them but aloe more | 11:19 |
| Nightmare__ | i also like both, but the keira black ringtone is "ulgy" | 11:20 |
| Nightmare__ | ugly | 11:20 |
| Pnuu | I always use my own anyway | 11:20 |
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| Kiranos | I've only seen them on pictures and the black one seem very "plastic" and sandpaper like surface | 11:22 |
| Kiranos | aloe looks like bubblegum :P | 11:22 |
| ln- | shhh, that's a trade secret | 11:23 |
| Nightmare__ | it's the same surface on all tohs | 11:23 |
| Kiranos | http://shop.jolla.com/cat-the-other-half/the-other-half-keira-black.html | 11:24 |
| Kiranos | for me it looks like sandpaper like surface | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | the other half .. cat? | 11:24 |
| FireFly | I like the poppy orange :p | 11:24 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: ? | 11:25 |
| covox | my friend bought a cat yesterday | 11:29 |
| covox | only $50, very low milage, it was apparently a "st. cattrick's day special" down at the shelter | 11:29 |
| gabriel9|work | bought? | 11:32 |
| gabriel9|work | im my country cats are free | 11:32 |
| gabriel9|work | and if you like one just take them home | 11:32 |
| gabriel9|work | like i did | 11:32 |
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| GentSir | gabriel9|work: I'm in the US, I typically see shelter cats "sold" for a nominal price $20-100. Helps prevent people who absolutely cannot afford to care for them from adopting. | 11:33 |
| gabriel9|work | ah | 11:33 |
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| gabriel9|work | i see now | 11:33 |
| gabriel9|work | you live in apartments | 11:33 |
| GentSir | Of course, they're pretty much always been sprayed/neutered and up to date on all their shots | 11:33 |
| gabriel9|work | no mouse to catch | 11:33 |
| GentSir | So that fee is well worth it | 11:33 |
| Nicd- | covox: our dog ate our cat last summer =( | 11:34 |
| Nicd- | it was horrible | 11:34 |
| covox | gabriel9|work: australia has strong regulations about cat ownership | 11:34 |
| gabriel9|work | fuck | 11:34 |
| Nicd- | https://plus.google.com/u/1/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/2Fqw6sGU3EZ -- you can see the pics if you dare | 11:34 |
| covox | so part of it is ensuring stability, plus it ensures they're spayed/chipped/vaccinated | 11:34 |
| gabriel9|work | that is nice | 11:34 |
| gabriel9|work | we do not have that | 11:35 |
| GentSir | The vet stuff they do on the cats probably costs way more than the adoption fee, so it's a win-win for everyone | 11:35 |
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| elias_a_ | covox: Where do I find info on cat regulations in down under? | 11:35 |
| GentSir | elias_a_: Why not a pet drop bear? | 11:35 |
| elias_a_ | covox: I guess rabbits were a lesson good enough ;-) | 11:35 |
| covox | elias_a_: it's a local government thing | 11:36 |
| covox | http://www.dlg.wa.gov.au/Content/Legislation/responsiblecatownership.aspx - for where I live | 11:36 |
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| covox | short version is we have a staggering amount of native wildlife that gets eaten by cats | 11:37 |
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| rangoy | covox: i thought it was the rabbits which ate the wild life "down under" | 11:38 |
| covox | rangoy: rabbits are more responsible for trashing crops | 11:39 |
| gabriel9|work | Sterilise your cat. | 11:39 |
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| gabriel9|work | is this a must do? | 11:40 |
| pp_ | if you want to keep your sanity, yes | 11:41 |
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| covox | gabriel9|work: yep, cat breeders need to get a license | 11:41 |
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| gabriel9|work | well i live in house | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | and cat is not problem | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | he go outside | 11:42 |
| Pnuu | james bond - a licence to cat | 11:42 |
| GentSir | I've thought about getting one. My apartment is decently sized and it seems like a cat would make it nicer. | 11:44 |
| Pnuu | you might imagine, yes.. | 11:44 |
| pp_ | I'd ask friends if you can look after theirs for a few weeks ;) | 11:45 |
| pp_ | be prepared to duct tape all your cables etc. | 11:47 |
| gabriel9|work | cats are nice and clean | 11:47 |
| pp_ | and have your bathroom full of pee-y cat litter | 11:47 |
| pp_ | which they spread around despite your countermeasures | 11:48 |
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| pp_ | like jumping over the rubber mattress that is supposed to keep it from spreading | 11:48 |
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| * Stskeeps opens a cold one | 12:00 | |
| GentSir | Stskeeps: Are these your people? http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-01/the-rise-of-the-brogrammer | 12:01 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 12:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | GentSir: no, but did you ever watch a movie called RIOT-ON | 12:01 |
| GentSir | Stskeeps: I can't say I have | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | you should.. | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | The year is 2000 and investors are going crazy about a new mobile phone company called Riot Entertainment. Many high profile companies, like Nokia, invest millions on this unknown firm. Two years later, when all the money has been spent and the company is bankrupt, the fun is over. What happened? | 12:02 |
| GentSir | Stskeeps: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427783/ ? | 12:02 |
| GentSir | That's it | 12:02 |
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| GentSir | Is that what Jolla is up to Stskeeps? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | no | 12:03 |
| GentSir | I'm kidding :) | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | we have (not yet) been running naked through helsinki streets | 12:03 |
| GentSir | Coding with one hand and pushups with the other? | 12:03 |
| * w00t writes that on his "next time i'm in helsinki" list | 12:04 | |
| Stskeeps | GentSir: handcuffs on the other | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | the slave programmer | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:04 |
| kimmoli | minions | 12:04 |
| GentSir | Wouldn't Sailfish be feature complete by now if there were slave programmers? :) | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | things still take time with slave labour. | 12:04 |
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| GentSir | Guess more brogrammers are needed | 12:05 |
| walokra | more time and money | 12:05 |
| w00t | more whips | 12:05 |
| Nicd- | hope jolla doesn't have a brogrammer culture | 12:06 |
| walokra | brogamer culture | 12:06 |
| GentSir | You need those "perks". Free drinks and food, gym in the building, etc. Make them never want to leave work | 12:06 |
| GentSir | Don't forget "flexible vacation time" that nobody has the clout to actually use | 12:06 |
| w00t | Nicd-: that word isn't even in our brocabulary | 12:06 |
| tbr | sounds like google culture ;) | 12:06 |
| rigo | naahhh, please!! | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | jolla's more like a cult | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:07 |
| GentSir | I read that's why google has that culture, so it's salaried employees never have a good reason to leave | 12:07 |
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| Nicd- | GentSir: yeah, but brogrammers sound like beer guzzling douches | 12:08 |
| GentSir | I wonder if there's some engineer that's been living in the GooglePlex for the last decade because all his needs are met there... | 12:08 |
| GentSir | Nicd-: That's the joke | 12:08 |
| crazy_imp | heyho | 12:08 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: hmm.. how would you say so? :) | 12:08 |
| crazy_imp | we've ordered two jollas - is it possible to get the sources in the same package, or do we need to make a seperate request for those? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: that's a completely seperate logistics operation, but what in particular are you interested in? | 12:09 |
| rigo | BTW, who is responsible for the browser in SailfishOS? | 12:09 |
| crazy_imp | Stskeeps: ok. everything :) | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: so the source dvd is practically a snapshot of the open source bits of sailfishos; which isn't the entire system, there's closed bits in hardware adaptation and in a large majority of the UI | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | just so you understand what you're getting | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | lemme give you a ls -lR | 12:10 |
| crazy_imp | Stskeeps: can we make the request by mail or does it have to be a letter? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | has to be a letter | 12:11 |
| crazy_imp | Stskeeps: ok, you can put it into a query (so we won't spam the channel) | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | rigo: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/sailfish-1.0.3.8-oss.txt | 12:12 |
| crazy_imp | thanks :) | 12:14 |
| crazy_imp | Stskeeps: what parts of the UI are missing? (and why? thought it was an open system besides the firmwareblobs...) | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: sailfish browser is open source; https://together.jolla.com/question/3014/clarification-of-open-source-policy/#post-id-6768 | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | we're being a bit careful because 1) there's sharks in the waters out there and we need to have some factual assets to be relevant and 2) we don't want to open source and then not be open about the development | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | so a large majority is open source work -and- participation, not just using | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | but we're taking it slower on some parts | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | without saying it's impossible in future that it might be open | 12:20 |
| crazy_imp | i hope it'll be :) | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | so we focus on making a good product first | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | and getting the business model right, then open more -- we don't exactly have a millonaire backing us with endless supply of money ;) | 12:23 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: the request letter, is it supposed to be SAE or SASE? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | a-what? | 12:24 |
| tbr | SelfAdressedEnvelope SelfAdressedStampedEnvelope | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | oh, if we cover the costs of sending the DVD? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think we're petty enough to ask you to pay for it | 12:25 |
| Nightmare__ | your current business model is a mystery for me, paying ~90 people with 10-20k selled phones sounds a little bit short on income | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | Nightmare__: well, you have to remember that on top of that, the phone prices are crashing | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | you can get a 3G mobile phone for what, 30 USD in china these days? | 12:26 |
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| tbr | Nightmare__: no start-up is instantly profitable, it's usually a (surprisingly) long shot and a bet on a certain business model | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Nightmare__: it comes down to that you need a phone product -- not a development phone, to prove that your platform is able to be certified, stable and good enough for consumers to buy and use it | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | vc's are normally "evaluated" in 5yr | 12:27 |
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| ggabriel | also, i can get a cheaper phone if it's stolen :P | 12:27 |
| tbr | one of the reasons why so many start ups fail | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | without that, your platform is not getting taken seriously by anybody | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | android went very close to bankruptcy, heh | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | ...and they should have | 12:29 |
| * ggabriel had his first first hand android experience this weekend | 12:29 | |
| Nightmare__ | so i wish you a lot of luck :) | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | i can see how jolla is doing a lot of things the right way | 12:29 |
| crazy_imp | ggabriel: but i have problems to understand why they give you the open stuff only on dvd instead of an iso :D | 12:33 |
| crazy_imp | that's really oldschool ;) | 12:34 |
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| ggabriel | crazy_imp: i'd guess: time | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | or rather, resources | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: it comes down to silly legal requirements | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | we're supposed to give an exact sources and build scripts | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | and that's not "point to a git repo" | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | oh, really? | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | ah well | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | so the dvd is best vehicle for getting it 100% right | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | surely you need a duplicate/triplicate, righ? :) | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | real people will find the git repos :P | 12:36 |
| crazy_imp | Stskeeps: generating an iso and pushing the iso onto a server is different in what point compared to burning such iso onto a dvd and sending it by postal service? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: that's probably more true, yes | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | you could download a corrupted image | 12:37 |
| crazy_imp | ggabriel: just place some checksums next to it and it'll be fine | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | i can see how the word "checksums" won't make it to any legal document, but ofc I agree | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: in practice i want to spend time on improving the access to sources in general and contribution | 12:38 |
| ggabriel | a vcs is best tho | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | for now, DVD is the most lo-fi | 12:38 |
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| ggabriel | it there anything stopping the community from dumping the contents of that dvd somewhere or sharing the iso via torrent or something? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | no | 12:39 |
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| elias_a_ | Are we talking about source code now? | 12:41 |
| elias_a_ | I have even come across a case in which the source was delivered on A4 paper. | 12:41 |
| elias_a_ | A few hundreds of them :D | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | that's ridiculous | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | elias_a_: that's a fantastic idea | 12:42 |
| ballock | elias_a_: was that supposed to discourage you from using it? | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | can i get my copy on diskettes please? | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | well, ocr exists | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | let's deliver a tree and a paper machine and a printer | 12:43 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: better order some pallets of paper, you can reuse them for delivery | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | not sure many floppy drives exist though | 12:43 |
| Nightmare__ | coose a0, its more unhandy | 12:43 |
| ballock | ...or punched cards? | 12:43 |
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| elias_a_ | ballock: I do think so. | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | +1 punched cards | 12:43 |
| Kiranos | heh like when redhat dropped all of its changes in one single commit? | 12:43 |
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| tbr | 8" floppies. you'll need to find a working drive first... | 12:43 |
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| elias_a_ | ggabriel: You can borrow mine :D | 12:43 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: tbh, the issue of "pointing to a git repo" would be thoroughly solved by having release branches or tags that was tagged at each build for release and never chagned after that....Can't possibly be more work than making a dvd :P | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: in practice it is for us :P | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | dvd is easy | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | but anyway, one area to improve in | 12:45 |
| ballock | I do see an advantage of dvd | 12:45 |
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| RaYmAn | definitely. I haven't seen any company actually use the option of sources on DVD....ever? Maybe 10 years ago? :P | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | what i'm more worried about is how little amount of people do it | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: nokia used to do it like this.. | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: i suspect that there are iso's online already | 12:46 |
| ballock | namely: the scripts on it will not depend on a server that walked away a year ago | 12:46 |
| RaYmAn | It seems mostly like an attempt to make it least interesting for people to look at source | 12:46 |
| RaYmAn | because it's annoyingly slow and pointlessly complicated. | 12:46 |
| ballock | see meego repos | 12:46 |
| crazy_imp | Stskeeps: should i send you two instead of one? :D | 12:46 |
| pp_ | src rpms for most stuff are already in the repos | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | pp_: they're not practically == input for compilation though | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: i see your point re companies though | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | i made that mistake in meego | 12:47 |
| pp_ | yep, for most people it shouldn't matter tho | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | it is when you have to factually build it | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to get to a point where it's possible to see for our devel/testing/release stages what current commits in each git repos is in use, though | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | and easily from one place see how/where/what to contribute | 12:50 |
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| Milo- | new day, new bug. | 12:58 |
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| Milo- | sounds are silenced, ambience volume is turned to 1 %. and sms notifacation sounds are loud and clea.. | 12:58 |
| Milo- | clear* | 12:58 |
| Milo- | just.. weird | 12:58 |
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| crazy_imp | Stskeeps: only ATTN: Source Code Requests\n Itämerenkatu 11-13\ ... ? no company name? | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: errrm | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: it says Jolla Oy\n ATTN: | 13:05 |
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| crazy_imp | oh, ok | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | you almost gave me a heart attack there | 13:06 |
| crazy_imp | then someone skipped a line | 13:06 |
| ln- | yes, the "Oy" is not just something like "Ahoy" | 13:06 |
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| crazy_imp | oi! | 13:07 |
| crazy_imp | can we put some stickers in there for the devs? :D | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | just don't send white powder | 13:08 |
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| kimmoli | addressed to "Sailord of Jollastania" ? | 13:09 |
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| jussi | chief source pirate of the vessel Jolla? | 13:10 |
| kimmoli | Drink up me hearties, yo ho! | 13:11 |
| XenoPL | is that reason for jolly roger :p | 13:12 |
| VDVsx | only two companies in that building, so probably would be correctly delivered :) | 13:12 |
| kimmoli | and you might get sources for clash of clans instead if delivered wrong ? | 13:15 |
| crazy_imp | stickers, some troll creepercards - done :D | 13:15 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly where crazy_imp works | 13:16 | |
| Nightmare__ | there should be a monkey island toh | 13:18 |
| ggabriel | monkey island! | 13:19 |
| Jope | mmm | 13:19 |
| Jope | installs scummvm + the files for tsomi and tsomi2 | 13:19 |
| Nightmare__ | exactly what i was thinking :) | 13:20 |
| crazy_imp | Stskeeps: nothing work related, only had those still in my bag from the 30c3 | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:21 |
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| crazy_imp | we don't have interesting stuff i can send you for free :D | 13:29 |
| pp_ | They're updating the store, just like apple! | 13:29 |
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| pp_ | (nah, was just temporarily down :P ) | 13:42 |
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| Aard | crazy_imp: do you have non-interesting stuff you can send me for free? :) | 13:50 |
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| crazy_imp | maybe some flyers... dunno | 13:52 |
| crazy_imp | but the envelope is already closed | 13:53 |
| * Aard gives you a sad puppy stare | 14:04 | |
| Venemo_j | so | 14:13 |
| Venemo_j | when's the update? | 14:14 |
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| Aard | Venemo_j: soon ;) | 14:15 |
| gabriel9|work | there is no update | 14:15 |
| gabriel9|work | early march :D | 14:15 |
| Venemo_j | Aard: in whose sense is this 'early march'? | 14:16 |
| Plnt | march 2014 or 2015? ;] | 14:16 |
| ballock | I guess *nobody* said early March *2014* | 14:16 |
| Plnt | :D | 14:16 |
| Aard | Venemo_j: early does not need to be 'first half'. right now if you'd ask me about "14:00" I'd respond "very early in the day" ;) | 14:18 |
| w00t | way too early. let's go back to bed. | 14:18 |
| kimmoli_sailing | early other half? | 14:19 |
| ballock | guys, months are not that off like timezones | 14:19 |
| crazy_imp | Aard: ahh, dammit, i have interesting stuff under my table here :D | 14:19 |
| crazy_imp | a big box with bubblewrap bags | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | w00t: but I just got up! | 14:20 |
| tbr | bubble wrap! \o/ | 14:20 |
| tbr | *popp* | 14:20 |
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| mikma | my HOLLA started to randomly shutdown itself (instablackout) | 14:24 |
| crazy_imp | Aard: anyway, just keep an eye on the pyhsical mail and snatch some stickers :) | 14:24 |
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| Aard | crazy_imp: I'm not in the helsinki office :) | 14:28 |
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| crazy_imp | Aard: sitting in your own glas cube? | 14:30 |
| VDVsx | mikma, try to take the battery out for 10mins, should help on those cases | 14:31 |
| mikma | vdvsx: will do if it'll happen again | 14:31 |
| mikma | it happened 4 times in 30mins | 14:32 |
| crazy_imp | "in picking" == assembling the package? | 14:33 |
| VDVsx | read for the courier to pick, I guess | 14:34 |
| VDVsx | ready* | 14:34 |
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| crazy_imp | \o/ | 14:39 |
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| * rigo suggests update for "the other half" of 2014 :) | 14:51 | |
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| crazy_imp | btw, is it possible to boot from sd-card? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | not really, but you can patch your kernel, it's not something i'd really recommend | 14:57 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: not really, or not ready ? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | well | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | rather, we didn't test it | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | it should wor | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | but you still need the eMMC | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | to load kernel | 14:59 |
| crazy_imp | no boot from ram? ;) | 15:00 |
| tbr | with fastboot you could boot from USB | 15:00 |
| tbr | N900 early-days style | 15:01 |
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| crazy_imp | tbr: hehe - guess only the firmware blobs will keep us from doing full disc encryption on the device (or will they bother the kernel with the read access?) | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | crazy_imp: i think you could pull off full disc encryption with a bit of grease | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | just be aware there's a large amount of plaintext available, given everybody has a similar factory btrfs snapshot | 15:05 |
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| crazy_imp | so the firmwareblobs are feed by the kernel to the hardware? | 15:09 |
| crazy_imp | (bit confused about the fact that they got their own partition then) | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah, true | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | i was thinking in terms of system partition | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, you can probably encrypt sailfish partition | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | just needs patience | 15:10 |
| ggabriel | well, luks is there and it works :) | 15:16 |
| ggabriel | you can so easily brick your device if you're not careful though | 15:17 |
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| crazy_imp | but then you'll need either a new kernel flashed (with initramfs and cryptsetup) or a pc around to get the kernel into ram :D | 15:19 |
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| ggabriel | yup, you def need a new kernel | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | one of the problems is how do you input your passkey? | 15:20 |
| crazy_imp | copy the full ui into the initramfs too? | 15:22 |
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| ggabriel | crazy_imp: maybe, or just something simple, or a fingerprint reader, hehe | 15:42 |
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| crazy_imp | ggabriel: but i want to keep my fingers! ;) | 15:43 |
| crazy_imp | but good point, just put something on the i2c bus | 15:43 |
| crazy_imp | or use the otg usb to attach a keyboard | 15:44 |
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| coderus | calling Mitakuuluu users | 15:51 |
| Nightmare__ | coderus, ? | 15:53 |
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| cvp | nice idea with extra path in Galary | 15:53 |
| cvp | :) | 15:53 |
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| TMavica | coderus? | 15:54 |
| cvp | coderus: | 15:55 |
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| Turski | coderus: | 16:05 |
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| stephg | coderus¾ | 16:06 |
| Nicd- | coderus? | 16:09 |
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| Hartzi | coderus: ? | 16:13 |
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| Nightmare__ | and now? | 16:14 |
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| Plnt | hmm.. is this true? :) .. https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/445592716970582016 | 16:15 |
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| Nicd- | ask kimmoli :P | 16:16 |
| Plnt | :)) | 16:16 |
| mikma | kimmoli: why do you tease us with tweets like that | 16:16 |
| Yaniel | well, I have time | 16:17 |
| Nicd- | some men just want to watch the world burn | 16:17 |
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| coderus | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/harbour-mitakuuluu-0.2-32.armv7hl.rpm | 16:17 |
| coderus | updated build | 16:17 |
| coderus | need to check wifi - 3g reconnection | 16:17 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: can't blame them. it is a relaxing sight | 16:18 |
| cvp | coderus: is it the same version from jesterday ? | 16:19 |
| coderus | yes | 16:19 |
| coderus | i dont like bumbing version number every time | 16:20 |
| coderus | and release will have same version number | 16:20 |
| Nicd- | coderus: is it in openrepos? | 16:20 |
| coderus | no | 16:20 |
| coderus | its in dropbox for testing purposes | 16:20 |
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| cvp | no i mean, you give us yesterday or two ays ago a version for testing... and the new link... is it the same or a new bulid ? | 16:22 |
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| coderus | filename and url is same | 16:27 |
| coderus | its new build | 16:27 |
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| cvp | ah ok :) | 16:30 |
| cvp | thanks i will try | 16:30 |
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| Nightmare__ | coderus, when switching from 3g to wifi: its starts a loop offline-authorizing-online | 16:35 |
| Nightmare__ | wifi - 3g is fine | 16:35 |
| raa70 | i had the same problem in workplace wlan, just as I was about to whine, it mysteriously started working | 16:37 |
| Nightmare__ | disconnecting in the menu or switching wifi off stops the loop | 16:38 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: send me logfile | 16:40 |
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| Nightmare__ | location? | 16:42 |
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| Turski | i saw some 100% cpu consumption just a moment ago but after restarting MK i'm unable to reproduce it | 16:44 |
| Nightmare__ | the loop was gone after a reboot and after some recons(~10) the loop apeared again | 16:45 |
| Nightmare__ | in wich location is the logfile stored? | 16:46 |
| coderus | Turski: with latest rpm? | 16:47 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: check mitakuuluu description on openrepos please :) | 16:47 |
| Turski | coderus: yeah | 16:50 |
| Turski | coderus: and btw, why haven't you cleared package revision since you bumped version number? ;) | 16:53 |
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| coderus | created jollausers forum thread: http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-applications/(official-support-thread)-mitakuuluu-native-whatsapp-compatible-application | 16:56 |
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| coderus | Turski: its not package revvision number | 16:56 |
| coderus | its release number | 16:56 |
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| Turski | coderus: well, that's what i meant | 16:57 |
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| coderus | because i like so | 16:58 |
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| coderus | why you confused? | 16:58 |
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| Turski | i just think it's a common practise | 16:59 |
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| Morpog_ | hmmm :D https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/pull/149 | 17:07 |
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| Nightmare__ | coderus, you got an email (included phonenumbers are replaced by another unique number) | 17:09 |
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| Morpog_ | all that new goodies in nemomobile: https://github.com/nemomobile/mms-engine | 17:09 |
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| ar | … mms? | 17:16 |
| Nightmare__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service | 17:17 |
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| gabriel9|jolla | fb reader ported to jolla | 17:18 |
| gabriel9|jolla | nice one | 17:18 |
| Sail0r | ? | 17:19 |
| gabriel9|jolla | it's on open repos | 17:19 |
| gabriel9|jolla | ebook reader | 17:20 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: what time loop happened? | 17:20 |
| Sail0r | link? | 17:21 |
| gabriel9|jolla | ttps://openrepos.net/content/ellefj/fbreader | 17:21 |
| Nightmare__ | i deleted the log and "started" the loop, log should start and end with the loop | 17:21 |
| gabriel9|jolla | add h | 17:21 |
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| Sail0r | thx | 17:22 |
| gabriel9|jolla | np | 17:22 |
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| walokra | fbreader has confusing name | 17:24 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: "Connection closed by server." lol | 17:25 |
| coderus | seems you had two instances of daemon at the same time :) | 17:25 |
| coderus | and server kicked you | 17:25 |
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| gabriel9|jolla | yea, i was thinking that it have some connection with facebook... | 17:26 |
| Mnsu_ | or framebuffers | 17:27 |
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| ajaijjaj | probably, that's because of that fb e-book format.. Any chance it can be changed? | 17:27 |
| ajaijjaj | And is it possible to change the default location from ~/Documents to something else? | 17:28 |
| gabriel9|jolla | duno | 17:28 |
| gabriel9|jolla | i just installed it | 17:28 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | pulley menu and from there last preferences dialog | 17:29 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | well i havent tried to change that | 17:30 |
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| Sail0r | http://www.jollausers.com/2014/03/sailfish-os-update-4-this-evening-3172014/ ? | 17:46 |
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| flanag | is that just an elaborate attempt to troll? | 17:51 |
| tbr | looks legit | 17:52 |
| * tbr has reasons to trust it (you don't have to ofc) | 17:52 | |
| Morpog_ | countdown 10 minutes | 17:52 |
| Sail0r | dunno if it's a troll | 17:52 |
| Sail0r | 10minutes? | 17:52 |
| * Morpog_ is a troll | 17:52 | |
| Sail0r | :P | 17:52 |
| kimmoli | it is too early for 1st of april - patience | 17:53 |
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| flanag | quite late to release an update | 17:53 |
| Sail0r | now i refresh every 2minutes ... | 17:53 |
| Sail0r | thx kimmoli :P | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: we work 24/7 in general | 17:53 |
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| tbr | there is always a sailor on deck, at all times | 17:54 |
| flanag | well, that explains it :) | 17:54 |
| TMavica | if there is update evening, i wont sleep now, now is 1:56am here | 17:56 |
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| Morpog_ | poor TMavica :D | 17:57 |
| flanag | 6pm in Finland | 17:57 |
| flanag | plenty of time | 17:57 |
| flanag | whoops | 17:57 |
| ln- | which finland? | 17:57 |
| flanag | I mean 8 pm | 17:57 |
| Hartzi | TMavica: hopefully you're not waking up at 6 am :D | 17:58 |
| TMavica | Hong Kong now is 1:58 am man... | 17:58 |
| TMavica | Hartzi not wake at 6 am.... | 17:59 |
| Sidde | hong kong is a nice place to be. a bit warmer than finland | 17:59 |
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| TMavica | much warmer...dont kidding me -.- | 18:00 |
| elias_a_ | HK is not such a nice place to be. | 18:00 |
| TMavica | elias_a why?? | 18:00 |
| * Stskeeps likes HK | 18:01 | |
| elias_a_ | What does one do there? | 18:01 |
| elias_a_ | iiiiiiiii | 18:01 |
| elias_a_ | Sorry. | 18:01 |
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| TMavica | I am Hong Kong..but I hate now is so crowded... | 18:01 |
| TMavica | because all China guy always come there | 18:01 |
| TMavica | Stskeeps can I sleep? | 18:02 |
| netzvieh | TMavica: we could call you, when the update is available :D | 18:04 |
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| Nicd- | I got an update notice | 18:10 |
| Nicd- | but it was for 1038 :( | 18:10 |
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| AL13N | haha | 18:16 |
| AL13N | Nicd-: i haven't had these for quite a while now | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/33507/release-notes-software-version-10420-ohijarvi/ | 18:40 |
| flanag | yeeeeeeees | 18:40 |
| Pnuu | whee | 18:40 |
| VDVsx | \0/ | 18:40 |
| Pnuu | no MMS :-( | 18:41 |
| Quu | nice, twoway sync | 18:41 |
| flanag | Jolla says "up-to-date" | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | let the F5's begin.. | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:42 |
| Quu | ha | 18:42 |
| Quu | its coming today? | 18:42 |
| Quu | or tomorrow? | 18:42 |
| Quu | damn | 18:43 |
| Quu | now | 18:43 |
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| narchie | ohijärvi when | 18:43 |
| Pnuu | now | 18:43 |
| Quu | now. | 18:43 |
| Pnuu | downloading | 18:43 |
| flanag | how? | 18:43 |
| narchie | I don't believe you | 18:43 |
| Quu | RTFM | 18:43 |
| kimmoli | wuw such innostus | 18:43 |
| flanag | hah | 18:43 |
| Pnuu | flanag: settings -> system settings -> dev info -> pulley check updates | 18:43 |
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| flanag | I know, aargh | 18:43 |
| flanag | but | 18:43 |
| flanag | I'm spamming "check update" | 18:44 |
| Sail0r | It's there | 18:44 |
| flanag | says "up-to-date" for me | 18:44 |
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| ajaijjaj | for me as well | 18:45 |
| Pnuu | gave me ones "up-to-date", on second try "update available" | 18:45 |
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| flanag | I've spammed it 10 times, I'm just gonna wait now | 18:45 |
| ajaijjaj | maybe they are limiting access | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | it might take some time to make it's way to you, fwiw | 18:45 |
| narchie | what | 18:45 |
| Sail0r | downloading :) | 18:45 |
| narchie | is this serious | 18:45 |
| Quu | ~50% downloaded | 18:45 |
| flanag | no, it's a joke | 18:45 |
| * Plnt downloading.. yey! | 18:45 | |
| Sail0r | https://twitter.com/awlnx/status/445631890200875008/photo/1 | 18:45 |
| narchie | hey | 18:45 |
| Pnuu | "is this the real life, is this just fantasy" | 18:45 |
| narchie | dont be hurtful | 18:46 |
| narchie | nice | 18:46 |
| narchie | lol jolla crashed when checking for update | 18:46 |
| narchie | the timing... | 18:46 |
| Turski | it's just fanta sea | 18:46 |
| flanag | narchie: did it just shut off? | 18:46 |
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| narchie | flanag: yes | 18:46 |
| flanag | lol | 18:46 |
| flanag | nicely timed | 18:46 |
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| Turski | (cannot be unseen http://bestof4chan.com/wp-content/uploads/is-this-real-life-or-is-this-just-fanta-sea.jpg ) | 18:46 |
| TMavica | finally i still not sleep | 18:46 |
| narchie | ok so third crash in 5 minutes | 18:46 |
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| * keithzg opens his eyes, looks up to the skies and sees . . . | 18:46 | |
| kimmoli | https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/445632368422842368/photo/1 | 18:47 |
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| Quu | woo | 18:47 |
| TMavica | why it say up to date | 18:47 |
| Quu | download 95% done | 18:47 |
| narchie | ok nice | 18:47 |
| Quu | installing | 18:47 |
| Quu | woo | 18:47 |
| narchie | so it's not even booting | 18:47 |
| narchie | just spontaneously crashing | 18:47 |
| Quu | narchie: battery out for 10min | 18:47 |
| flanag | yeah | 18:48 |
| narchie | not at a time like this! | 18:48 |
| Quu | hue | 18:48 |
| clau | finally! and it looks nice :) | 18:48 |
| flanag | already using it? | 18:49 |
| clau | no, I just read the info | 18:49 |
| Quu | ~25% installed :f | 18:49 |
| flanag | ah | 18:49 |
| Quu | faaasteeeer | 18:49 |
| TMavica | update not available.. | 18:49 |
| clau | hmm, it's unclear if the mail sync issue is fixed or not | 18:49 |
| flanag | I just rebooted, if it would give it now.. | 18:49 |
| keithzg | Ready to install... | 18:49 |
| clau | I guess I'll have to try it :) | 18:49 |
| ottulonen | 50% downloaded here... | 18:49 |
| keithzg | I love the background for the updates. | 18:49 |
| kimmoli | patience ... it comes in "waves" | 18:50 |
| Quu | damn this installs slow :p | 18:50 |
| TMavica | ok | 18:50 |
| Quu | kimmoli: but mom! | 18:50 |
| vanadis | so i heard 1.04.20 is here | 18:50 |
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| narchie | oh... | 18:50 |
| narchie | "up to date" | 18:50 |
| vanadis | is it already downloadable worldwide? | 18:51 |
| Quu | 50% installed hue | 18:51 |
| flanag | nah, reboot didn't help, I guess I just have to wait until the "wave" brings the jolly boat here | 18:52 |
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| * VDVsx wonders who will be the first one to find the pattern in the update waves :D | 18:52 | |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: men over 40? | 18:52 |
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| clau | Stskeeps, without any connection to the current update... I was thinking, maybe one of the sources of btrfs corruption is that people don't know how to shut the phone down? Maybe they keep the button pressed for too long, hence doing a hard shut. | 18:53 |
| VDVsx | lol :D | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | if any of you hit any issues when upgrading or devices failing, report them here and on together.jolla.com | 18:53 |
| ortylp | downloading update... lets see if anything got fixed... | 18:53 |
| Turski | looks like something went wrong... | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: hmm? | 18:53 |
| clau | Turski, do share. Before I do it too :) | 18:53 |
| ottulonen | install starting now! | 18:53 |
| ottulonen | timing it :P | 18:53 |
| Turski | applications not working | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: which kind, android or normal? | 18:54 |
| Turski | normal | 18:54 |
| Quu | 90% installed | 18:54 |
| Turski | everything crashing | 18:54 |
| TMavica | still waiting the update.. | 18:54 |
| flanag | sounds bad | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: that does not sound good, do you have SSH access by chance? | 18:54 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: yes | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: ^ | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: can you grab us /var/log/zypp/history or what it's called | 18:55 |
| flanag | can anyone confirm a successful update? | 18:55 |
| Quu | flanag: just a minute | 18:55 |
| Hartzi | Turski: iha have same problem | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: also, you used the store client and not manually updating, right | 18:55 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: yeah, used store client | 18:56 |
| Aard | Hartzi: it still comes up to homescreen? can you open settings? | 18:56 |
| Hartzi | Aard: no i cant open | 18:56 |
| Turski | updating stopped after bash was upgraded, i was monitoring it with pkmon | 18:56 |
| Aard | Hartzi: can you ssh in? | 18:56 |
| Quu | woop bootin | 18:56 |
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| Turski | history log coming... | 18:56 |
| Hartzi | Aard: I'll try | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: i suspect hw adaptation repo didn't update | 18:56 |
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| ottulonen | uhh, something wrong here as well | 18:56 |
| flanag | oh crap | 18:56 |
| ottulonen | phone rebooted after some 15% was installed | 18:56 |
| ottulonen | not out of battery either | 18:57 |
| Quu | ok, booted | 18:57 |
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| flanag | Quu: and? | 18:57 |
| Quu | everything works | 18:57 |
| flanag | a relief | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: do you have a jolla account? just have to check | 18:57 |
| Quu | holyfuck everything works so smoothly | 18:57 |
| Quu | woop | 18:57 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: http://turski.dy.fi/jolla/history.log | 18:57 |
| Turski | yeah, bash upgrade failed | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | bash upgrade? | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | you have openrepos by chance? | 18:58 |
| flanag | openrepos causing problems again | 18:58 |
| Hartzi | Aard: yes, ssh works | 18:58 |
| flanag | (might be) | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | @$@$ | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: okay, we don't actually use bash 4.3.0 | 18:58 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: openrepos? | 18:58 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: oh fck... i quess it's nieldk openrepos | 18:58 |
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| ottulonen | ookay, seems like I need a factory reset :/ | 18:58 |
| clau | It's probably a good idea to disable all openrepos repos before update. | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | Hartzi: is that the case with you too? | 18:58 |
| skvark | successfull update here | 18:59 |
| flanag | it's a good idea to not install openrepos at all | 18:59 |
| TMavica | thx Turski, I uninstall it first | 18:59 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: i haven't installed bash from there but i've noticed it is there, maybe is was now pulled automatically? | 18:59 |
| Hartzi | Stskeeps: yes, update failed | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | Hartzi: got openrepos? | 18:59 |
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| Quu | damn, this feels like diffrent phone | 18:59 |
| Quu | so smooth | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: yes, we don't do repository seperation until this release | 18:59 |
| Hartzi | yes i have warehouse | 18:59 |
| VDVsx | perhaps better to add comment to t.j.c about openrepos, people can disable that first | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, good idea | 18:59 |
| ottulonen | Turski: for you, can you use the apps at all, or do they stop responding as soon as they're open? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | Hartzi: used nieldk's apps? | 19:00 |
| Turski | ottulonen: they stop responding | 19:00 |
| Aard | Turski: yes, if it's a higher version than what's on the device it'll get pulled in. we have a workaround for that in update4 (disable all non-jolla repos), but it'll only work if you go from update4 to something higher :) | 19:00 |
| Nicd- | update tiiime \o/ | 19:00 |
| Hartzi | Stskeeps: for example what? | 19:00 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: i guess i need to disable all openrepos and then do what? | 19:00 |
| Turski | version <something> ? | 19:00 |
| Pnuu | successful update, yay | 19:00 |
| Aard | Hartzi: Turski: please disable all openrepos repos (ssu lr, then ssu dr for each of them). after that, try updating with version --dup | 19:00 |
| ottulonen | Turski: me too. and the installation stopped after some 15%, so it's simply not finished installing everything | 19:00 |
| mikma | "Ajan tasalla" (1.0.3.8, whee) | 19:01 |
| Turski | Aard: will do | 19:01 |
| Turski | Aard: things to do in system upgrade scripts: disable all unofficial repos? :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.4 actually does this from now on | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | but we can't time travel | 19:02 |
| Turski | ah, ok | 19:02 |
| Turski | good then | 19:02 |
| Aard | Turski: we didn't expect people to be as careless as the openrepos folks. | 19:02 |
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| Pnuu | tutorial app has returned :-D | 19:04 |
| Turski | Aard: i just hate nieldk pushing all kind of shit to his openrepos... | 19:04 |
| keithzg_jolla | Hrmmm, rebooted after theoretically installing the update, still says 1.0.3.8 though :( | 19:04 |
| kimmoli | don't install everything | 19:04 |
| pp_ | woot woot, two-way google calendar works! | 19:04 |
| Nicd- | pp_: ooooh <3 | 19:05 |
| Plnt | i just finished updating. everything seems to work so far :) | 19:05 |
| coderus | Turski: near warehouse update will have rpm installing method without enabling repository. It saves many :) | 19:05 |
| pp_ | at least creating an entry went to google | 19:05 |
| Turski | at least there should be no packages with same names as in official repos | 19:05 |
| locusf | hmm stuck at 95% | 19:05 |
| locusf | nope its good | 19:05 |
| flanag | I'm looking forward to these: "Fixes several issues causing spontaneous reboots on the phone | 19:05 |
| flanag | " and "Fixes issue on WLAN connection freezing the UI" | 19:05 |
| Turski | coderus: ah, awesome | 19:05 |
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| pp_ | doesn't seem to be showing all incoming events, lessee if I need to relogin or whatnot | 19:05 |
| Aard | keithzg_jolla: try again, it happens in rare cases | 19:06 |
| coderus | for me its 1.0.3.8 too | 19:06 |
| Sail0r | it feels lot's faster in the ui? | 19:06 |
| coderus | and update "not required" :D | 19:06 |
| TMavica | is 1.040 fix the swiping problem? | 19:06 |
| Sail0r | did you overclock the gpu? ;) | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | just improved a bunch of things | 19:07 |
| Sail0r | nice | 19:07 |
| Sail0r | i like it :) | 19:07 |
| TMavica | stskeep, is it fix the swiping problem? | 19:07 |
| Plnt | the only thing which doesn't work is that after the system update there is maps update in the jolla store. if i try to download it it says waiting and after some time it stops trying. i guess that's because the servers are overloaded. | 19:07 |
| Aard | TMavica: the swiping problem should happen a bit less, but it's not fully fixed in update4 -- too high risk of regression when we had the fix | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: thanks for quick logs | 19:08 |
| flanag | swiping problem? | 19:08 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: no problem | 19:09 |
| pp_ | hmn, wasn't logged in to google, still missing events to | 19:09 |
| * pp_ twiddles around | 19:09 | |
| Turski | Stskeeps: upgrade going forward now | 19:09 |
| * Stskeeps wonders how many dead devices that's going to cost | 19:09 | |
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| ottulonen | ok, disabled openrepos and need to run the update through ssh | 19:09 |
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| ottulonen | what's the exact command? didn't try this before | 19:10 |
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| Turski | ottulonen: version --dup | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: are you the kind of person who would have enabled ssh and can ssh into his device? | 19:10 |
| Pnuu | yay, tap-to-focus and grids | 19:10 |
| Juukks | Yes, it should be active | 19:10 |
| Aard | Turski: did version --dup go through for you? | 19:10 |
| Juukks | Let see | 19:10 |
| ottulonen | Turski: thanks | 19:11 |
| clau | what does Ohijarvi mean? | 19:11 |
| Turski | Aard: it's still going on | 19:11 |
| walokra | bypasslake | 19:11 |
| Nicd- | clau: it's the name of a lake | 19:11 |
| flanag | heh | 19:11 |
| ottulonen | maybe it's a hint to skip this update? :o | 19:11 |
| walokra | or misslake | 19:11 |
| * keithzg is sad that "ssu dr openrepos*" doesn't work | 19:11 | |
| clau | is it a tradition already? | 19:11 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps: is there a official changelog? | 19:11 |
| Kiranos | "Special thanks to Simo Ruoho, Timo Kuitunen, Kimmo Lindholm, Tomi Tiittanen and Samuli Järvinen." thanks! :D | 19:11 |
| clau | keithzg, +1 on that | 19:12 |
| TMavica | Aard, pl | 19:12 |
| TMavica | Ard ok | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: on together.jolla.com | 19:12 |
| walokra | Sail0r: https://together.jolla.com/question/33507/release-notes-software-version-10420-ohijarvi/ | 19:12 |
| Juukks | Stskeeps: yes, I'm in | 19:12 |
| Turski | keithzg_jolla: there's no way bash could expand that to match repository names... | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | Plnt: bug found, fixed | 19:12 |
| Turski | keithzg: ^ | 19:12 |
| kimmoli | clau: http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Ohij%C3%A4rvi_%2882.068.1.002%29 | 19:12 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps: ah there sorry | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: cat /var/log/zypp/history | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: what was the package that failed? | 19:12 |
| Aard | keithzg_jolla: feel free to contribute bash autocompletion rules for ssu :p | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: bash? | 19:12 |
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| keithzg | Aard: Heh, fair enough. Is that how apt-get does autocomplete, though? Since the equivalents work for it. | 19:13 |
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| Pnuu | "store error: maps is already up-to-date" | 19:13 |
| Juukks | yes, that's correct | 19:13 |
| Aard | keithzg: yes | 19:13 |
| Pnuu | store still reports that there's a update available for maps | 19:13 |
| Sail0r | store is very cool | 19:13 |
| Aard | keithzg: look into /etc/bash_completion.d | 19:13 |
| narchie | still just up to date ;_; | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: okay, what has happened is that you had a openrepos repository added that contains several system packages at different versions than shipped from jolla | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: sec | 19:14 |
| keithzg | Aard: Huh, interesting, I learn something new every day! | 19:14 |
| TMavica | just disable niedlk repo is enough before upgrade | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: 20:00] <Aard> Hartzi: Turski: please disable all openrepos repos (ssu lr, then ssu dr for each of them). after that, try updating with version --dup | 19:15 |
| Juukks | yes | 19:15 |
| Hartzi | Aard: It seems to work | 19:15 |
| Hartzi | thx | 19:15 |
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| Nokius | how to fix the app freezing updtng since the latest update? | 19:16 |
| flanag | I hope this problem with repos is not too widespread | 19:16 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Wow is that smooth | 19:17 |
| Turski | Stskeeps, Aard: updated succesfully now | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: okay, what has happened is that you had a openrepos repository added that contains several system packages at different versions than shipped from jolla | 19:17 |
| keithzg | flanag: Probably most people who use openrepos are geeky enough to uncover the solution | 19:17 |
| Turski | keithzg: i'm afraid that that's not the case for all | 19:18 |
| Turski | because of warehouse | 19:18 |
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| Plnt | hey, that feature with holding finger on the display while changing orientation to keep it temporarily locked is very cool idea :) | 19:18 |
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| Nokius | Stskeeps: jup just posted a Tweet to disable openrepos first then update How to get my jolla back to work?! | 19:19 |
| narchie | how do I fix the "up to date" bug? | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: you have to SSH in to the device | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: can you do that? | 19:19 |
| flanag | narchie: it's not a bug | 19:20 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Thx for yoir hard work Jolla sailors! | 19:20 |
| ottulonen | ok, update installed according to terminal, going to reboot now as it tells me to do that | 19:20 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks Jolla people :) | 19:20 |
| Nokius | Tryed did not get a session first time it hope to get it to run ! | 19:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I love you all ! | 19:20 |
| narchie | ;) | 19:20 |
| Juukks | Stskeeps: ssu up --dup -> Device is not registered, can't update credentials | 19:20 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: Lets cross finger :) | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Juukks: ah, i mean, ssu lr , check which ones are openrepos, than ssu dr each | 19:21 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: can anyone "deregister" my DVT OtherHalf? Every time i opening back cover system says "Store error. This Other Half already in use" | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: contact whoever sent you a DVT | 19:22 |
| Juukks | yes, all openrepos should be now disabled | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: then do version --dup | 19:22 |
| Juukks | updating :) | 19:22 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: ok :) | 19:23 |
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| Nokius | Stskeeps: DAMN port is open but Operation timed out :( | 19:23 |
| * coderus upgrading via version --dup, finally | 19:23 | |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: try again | 19:23 |
| TMavica | coderus lol... | 19:23 |
| Nicd- | update succeeded and everything is running fine :) | 19:23 |
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| ottulonen | update through here, thanks! | 19:24 |
| Nokius | julius | 19:24 |
| Nokius | sorry | 19:24 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: Yeah! I m in | 19:24 |
| TMavica | still up to date for me | 19:24 |
| clau | update done: so far it looks functional. | 19:25 |
| clau | and it definitely feels snappier | 19:26 |
| Pnuu | was there a magick key combo for factory reset? | 19:26 |
| Juukks | as I read the release log there is no LTE support. Do you have any news about it? | 19:26 |
| ottulonen | heh, "system update available, version 1.0.3.8" | 19:26 |
| Pnuu | a friend of mine had 10 openrepos, and can't access even the settings app | 19:26 |
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| ottulonen | Pnuu: same here, had to ssh | 19:26 |
| Pnuu | no terminal and no ssh-access either | 19:27 |
| Wnt | few screenshots of the update: http://upload.egarden.fi/Jolla_Ohij%C3%A4rvi/ | 19:27 |
| Turski | Pnuu: factory reset then | 19:27 |
| netzvieh | woop woop. updated just fine. Thank you :) [didn't disable my openrepos, but I'm not using lib-stuff from there anyway) | 19:27 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps: what's loop under mobile network? | 19:27 |
| Pnuu | Turski: that's what I'm asking, "how?" :-) | 19:27 |
| Raim | Pnuu: you can still reset it from the recovery menu via USB networking | 19:27 |
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| Turski | Pnuu: search on together? | 19:28 |
| Turski | Pnuu: https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 19:28 |
| Pnuu | thanks, I'll forward that | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | personally i'm just upset that it's now us that has to clean up the mess | 19:28 |
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| Turski | Stskeeps: that's why it would be good to have some betatesters for upgrades... | 19:28 |
| * Aard was upset last release, but all I got from users was "openrepos does not cause problems" | 19:28 | |
| Aard | Turski: we do, but they're not using openrepos. | 19:28 |
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| flanag | I think there was someone at TMO having the same problem as well | 19:29 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: well, jolla left a vacuum, they were happy to fill it. | 19:29 |
| TMavica | how disble all openreo in 1 click | 19:29 |
| TMavica | ? | 19:29 |
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| Turski | Aard: well, some betatesters also who do what the f*ck they want with their devices :P | 19:29 |
| tbr | Turski: they should not complain if their device "f*cks up" though | 19:29 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: Sorry for this :( | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: no no, no problem | 19:30 |
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| Aard | Turski: it's a legal issue about who's fault it is if the device breaks. not easy to sort out, though we're trying to | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: let's get your issue sorted out | 19:30 |
| coderus | ypdated, now it says 1.0.3.8 alailable :D | 19:30 |
| tbr | different thing: the ambience, looks quite a lot darker that I had previously? is that general or just this particular one? | 19:30 |
| tbr | did the algo change? | 19:30 |
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| Jope | tbr it did | 19:31 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: It is … But Thanks for your help!!!! | 19:31 |
| cvp | coderus: ... i do factory reset, update to 1.0.2.5 and than directly to 1.0.4.20 | 19:31 |
| Acce | Well, if users download stuff outside the store and it breaks the device, I cannot see how Jolla is liable | 19:31 |
| tbr | Jope: ok, tnx, no need to ponder this further then. :-D | 19:31 |
| coderus | cvp: my factory version is 1.0.3.8 :D | 19:31 |
| Wnt | tbr: seems that the filters they are using when displaying the ambiance background image has changed a bit, everything looks darker here also | 19:31 |
| Turski | Aard: well, that's true but they will be cleaning the mess anyway | 19:31 |
| cvp | lol really ? :D my 1.0.0.5 :D | 19:31 |
| cvp | coderus: | 19:31 |
| coderus | cvp: yeah, its DVT feature :D | 19:32 |
| Turski | Acce: tabfail ^ | 19:32 |
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| cvp | coderus: what is DVT ? | 19:32 |
| cvp | want too :D | 19:32 |
| coderus | Jolla Prototype device | 19:32 |
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| cvp | what ever it is :D | 19:32 |
| cvp | ahhh ok :D | 19:32 |
| Juukks | Stskeeps: Thanks about your great effort. Now my phone is updated | 19:32 |
| Acce | Turski: mhmm, wish users would be more sensible :p | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Juukks: does apps work? | 19:33 |
| Turski | Acce: stuffing some random stuff to device and not even having ssh connection to it is quite a bad recipe... | 19:33 |
| Turski | Acce: but some people just have no idea what they are doing | 19:33 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: how to disable 1.0.3.8 update available notification after upgrading to 1.0.4.20? :D | 19:33 |
| coderus | will it disappear in 12h? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: anything that involves manual upgrades is not my table | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:34 |
| coderus | haha | 19:34 |
| Acce | yes, and that is the problem.. and openrepos is great idea, but it kinda allows easy mistakes for people who don't know what they're doing | 19:34 |
| coderus | in past < Stskeeps > use version --dup | 19:34 |
| * keithzg misses maemo extras, as flawed as it was | 19:35 | |
| Stskeeps | coderus: for this specific case only | 19:35 |
| coderus | its your table :D | 19:35 |
| Juukks | Stskeeps: yes | 19:35 |
| crazy_imp | dunno how rpm based distros handle this - on gentoo / with portage you can mask packages | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | Juukks: good - enjoy your update! | 19:35 |
| ottulonen | ah, need to reinstall my kb layout | 19:35 |
| tbr | keithzg: supposedly that's coming join the mailing list discussion and the efforts | 19:35 |
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| cvp | Stskeeps: thank you all for the Update :) ...... hope next update comes with folder on desktop feature, sending files over BT and little bit more messanging feature ;) | 19:36 |
| Turski | openrepos is bad because there's absolutely zero quality control | 19:36 |
| Turski | unlike the repos we had on N900 and N9 | 19:36 |
| Juukks | Stskeeps: thx. | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: OK, in ssh : | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: ssu lr | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | for each openrepos repository you see | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | ssu dr <name> | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | and then version --dup | 19:37 |
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| coderus | but be careful, Stskeeps cant help you after doing it :D | 19:37 |
| tbr | Turski: yes, and when I related the discussion results about a curated community repo from FOSDEM I got personally attacked and insulted by community members for it. | 19:37 |
| Sail0r | I think the update process should just deactivate all repos except the jolla ones | 19:37 |
| Sail0r | and not respect broken deps which are not in the jolla repo if this is possible | 19:38 |
| cvp | 1.0.0.5 = 1.5GB .... 1.0.2.5 = 1,9GB ..... 1.0.4.20 = 2,1GB :D | 19:38 |
| Pnuu | Sail0r: came with this update | 19:38 |
| Sail0r | Pnuu: cool :) | 19:38 |
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| FireFly | Update?! | 19:39 |
| FireFly | ooh | 19:39 |
| Nokius | let me guess its NielDK repo :( | 19:39 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | It is | 19:40 |
| Pnuu | FireFly: disable openrepos before doing it | 19:40 |
| FireFly | I've never used it | 19:40 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 19:40 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Go0d tjat i never enabled it :) | 19:40 |
| fuz_ | oops i've got a lot of openrepos enabled and the update started, what do i do ? | 19:40 |
| tbr | someone™ might want to put word out there (twitter and such) that disabling all those repos is a good idea before the update | 19:41 |
| Sail0r | hehe, never enabled it too. Looked to suspect to me | 19:41 |
| Turski | fuz_: is it already installing? | 19:41 |
| kimmoli | twitter g+ done | 19:41 |
| Turski | fuz_: or just downloading? | 19:41 |
| fuz_ | tuski: yes | 19:41 |
| Morpog_Mobile | fuz it depends which repos u got | 19:41 |
| coderus | "Untrusted software sources" in settings. Nice :) | 19:41 |
| tbr | fuz_: prepare for factory reset :) | 19:41 |
| Turski | fuz_: at least don't shut it down... | 19:41 |
| Wnt | after the update playing an internet radio stream with the SomaFM application consumes about 1% less power compared to the previous OS version | 19:41 |
| Morpog_Mobile | tbr i know you love the situation :D | 19:42 |
| fuz_ | ok no problem, i understand the problem with openrepo | 19:42 |
| tbr | Morpog_Mobile: meh. I actually am sad about it | 19:42 |
| keithzg | tbr: Ah, yeah, I remember half-noticing rumblings of that. Which mailing list, the mer one? or? | 19:42 |
| coderus | factory reset removed backups. it sucks :( | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: can you tell me the name of the repository of nieldk in ssu lr? | 19:42 |
| tbr | keithzg: sailfish-dev | 19:42 |
| keithzg | tbr: aha, cool | 19:42 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: openrepos-nieldk | 19:42 |
| Nokius | - openrepos-NielDK ... http://sailfish.openrepos.net/NielDK/personal/main | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 19:42 |
| ortylp | Update succeeded, after a few minutes of playing with the phone nothing seems to got broken. So it is a good news. Now please someone fix the email syncing... | 19:43 |
| kimmoli | nuke? | 19:43 |
| tbr | Morpog_Mobile: it shows that there were lots of missed opportunities to get things right, on all sides | 19:43 |
| cvp | coderus: but NOW you can save it to SDcard ;) | 19:43 |
| Morpog_Mobile | coderus with new upfate u can save backups on sd card | 19:43 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: but not sure if its the madness it was just a guess | 19:43 |
| Nokius | !!!! | 19:43 |
| Merbot | Nokius: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command. | 19:43 |
| ggabriel | my device is still up to date with the old updte :) | 19:43 |
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| minimec | Hi. I am following the 'openrepos update' problem. Can you confirm, that I am ok and ready for the sailfish update with this repo list? http://pastebin.com/yyQFPzR4 | 19:43 |
| fuz_ | i don't have the nieldk one :) (still got access with usb/ssh during update) | 19:43 |
| coderus | cvp: i have no sdcard yet :) | 19:43 |
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| coderus | Morpog_Mobile: ^^ | 19:43 |
| Pnuu | minimec: I have the same list, no problems | 19:44 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: I know that this Repo offers a bunc of packeted wich will be not the latest stuff :-/ | 19:44 |
| coderus | minimec: your device is clean | 19:44 |
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| mcpi | and after I have disabled all openrepos thingys, how can I restart the updater? | 19:44 |
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| coderus | if you never installed Warehouse you can dont worry | 19:44 |
| coderus | mcpi: reboot and start updaterr again | 19:45 |
| mcpi | coderus: ok | 19:45 |
| minimec | Pnuu: coderus: Thank you. I had to clean it ... ;) So I am waiting for the update message... | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | *** If your device is frozen; SSH to your device; type in the following: ssu dr openrepos-NielDK; version --dup -- when done, turn off device, restart *** | 19:45 |
| coderus | minimec: open "About Product" page | 19:46 |
| coderus | pull down | 19:46 |
| coderus | check for updates | 19:46 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, I disabled all the openrepos (I only had a handful, and none were NielDK :P) and ran version --dup, and then ran "reboot" . . . but still stuck on 1.0.3.8, and it's now saying that it's up to date unlike before. | 19:47 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, what's the problem with the email sync ? | 19:47 |
| Wnt | the last line of "journalctl -f -a" log during the update, just before reboot is interesting: "store-client[12056]: [D] Package::DistUpgradeTransactionPkgKit::slotPackage:200 - installing package 378 of 0" | 19:47 |
| minimec | coderus: I know, but still nothing... | 19:47 |
| clau | VDVsx, email sync still does not work. | 19:47 |
| fuz_ | I had to run the update 3 times before it selected the 1.0.4 | 19:47 |
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| VDVsx | clau, why ? did you report at together ? | 19:48 |
| cvp | minimec: have you restart your phone? sometime comes the update information from self | 19:48 |
| coderus | keithzg: you need to wait a bit for update available | 19:48 |
| coderus | dont hurry :) | 19:48 |
| minimec | cvp: Ok. I will restart now... | 19:48 |
| clau | VDVsx, presumably the same issue with align timers. | 19:48 |
| keithzg | coderus: Err, but it was available for me before. It downloaded, tried to install, and then my device rebooted back into 1.0.3.8. | 19:49 |
| VDVsx | clau, you mean background sync ? that fixed in this update | 19:49 |
| clau | VDVsx, the settings are for 5 min, yet after 10 min the email did not arrive. I got it when I manually triggered the update. | 19:49 |
| clau | VDVsx, ok, I will do more tests. | 19:49 |
| mikma | keithzg: calm down, they are releasing it in batches https://together.jolla.com/question/33507/release-notes-software-version-10420-ohijarvi/ | 19:49 |
| clau | but I am already at latest version. | 19:49 |
| coderus | keithzg: you need to wait for update timer | 19:49 |
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| coderus | well | 19:49 |
| coderus | you can | 19:49 |
| VDVsx | clau, make sure you have the correct setting there, default is 30mins | 19:50 |
| coderus | ssu re 1.0.4.20 | 19:50 |
| coderus | version --dup | 19:50 |
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| coderus | but i didnt wrote it | 19:50 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: Hero of the DAY!! | 19:50 |
| coderus | and i dont recommend to do :) | 19:50 |
| keithzg | coderus, mikma: Err, I'm not freaking out, I'm just curious, because I was already offered the update. Now I'm not. And yeah, I tried "version --dup". | 19:50 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: \o/ ... | 19:50 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: THANKS! | 19:50 |
| coderus | keithzg: ah | 19:50 |
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| coderus | then just | 19:50 |
| clau | VDVsx, I changed it before testing. | 19:50 |
| coderus | ssu re latest | 19:50 |
| coderus | ssu ur | 19:50 |
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| coderus | and cersion --dup should work :) | 19:51 |
| clau | VDVsx, anyway, I'll get back to you after I'm sure I am right. | 19:51 |
| coderus | version --dup* | 19:51 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Wow copying backups to sdcard (1,2gb) is quite fast, took about a minute | 19:51 |
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| Wnt | Stskeeps: you are doing a great job giving support here to the community! :) | 19:51 |
| coderus | stupod /me did factory reset and now setting everything again... | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | *** If your device is frozen; SSH to your device; type in the following: ssu dr openrepos-NielDK; version --dup -- when done, turn off device, restart *** | 19:52 |
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| cvp | Stskeeps: frozer after what ? update ? | 19:52 |
| Aard | https://together.jolla.com/question/33598/important-steps-to-do-before-updating/ | 19:53 |
| coderus | wow new application closing icon when swiping down :) | 19:53 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: | 19:54 |
| ortylp | https://together.jolla.com/question/8516/bug-email-app-sometimes-doesnt-sync-at-specified-intervals/#comment-33592 | 19:54 |
| ortylp | "I see no improvement. Sync set to 15 minutes, email app says: last update 22min ago." | 19:54 |
| coderus | new keyboard backgound style :) | 19:54 |
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| netzvieh | hmm i can't disable the tutorial? | 19:55 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: https://together.jolla.com/question/8516/bug-email-app-sometimes-doesnt-sync-at-specified-intervals/#comment-33592 "I see no improvement. Sync set to 15 minutes, email app says: last update 22min ago." | 19:55 |
| netzvieh | disable -> delete/make it invisible | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | anybody who has SSH on their device, has NielDK repository, didn't upgrade yet, and want to be guinea pig? | 19:55 |
| Sail0r | ok like this Stskeeps? https://together.jolla.com/question/33581/how-to-disable-openrepos-repositories/#post-id-33583 | 19:55 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, what kind of account ? | 19:56 |
| ortylp | Wnt: Stskeeps: "you are doing a great job giving support here to the community! " I can only second that | 19:56 |
| fuz_ | nice, after third software upgrade today, i'm back to 1.0.3.8 | 19:56 |
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| Acce | Stskeeps: what are the risks? :) | 19:57 |
| cvp | minimec: and? work the restart ? | 19:57 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: email against dovecot, with self signed certificate (if that matters) | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: if you're in helsinki, i'll buy you a beer.. | 19:57 |
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| fuz_ | but i survived the upgrade with openrepos enabled :) | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Acce: basically i need to check that the 'bash' failure does not happen now | 19:58 |
| Acce | I can re-enable nieldk before updating | 19:58 |
| fuz_ | i've waited half an hour for an upgrade from 1.0.3.8 to 1.0.3.8 (?) | 19:58 |
| Acce | did you do some changes to the update? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: i spoke to openrepos maintainer | 19:59 |
| coderus | vote: https://together.jolla.com/question/33614/fast-input-method-change-when-only-two-keyboards-available/ | 19:59 |
| Acce | Stskeeps: ok, I'll try it | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: thank you | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Acce: i'll help you sort it out if it breaks | 20:00 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, ok, if you can collect logs, do a pastebin and add to together, no known issue on that during our testing, syncs should happen at configured time(except the first one, since global timer is used) | 20:00 |
| clau | VDVsx, note, I have no other app using internet while I do the test, to avoid waking up the phone from network traffic as much as possible | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: enabled SSH first? ;) | 20:00 |
| VDVsx | clau, was long there's a autoconnect internet, if not ofc that will not work | 20:00 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: now it says 11minutes ago, so something happens | 20:00 |
| fuz_ | oh system update available, i'm running my fourth software update today | 20:00 |
| VDVsx | as* | 20:00 |
| clau | VDVsx, what do you mean? the internet is on (wifi) | 20:01 |
| Acce | Stskeeps: no worries, always on dev mode :) | 20:01 |
| VDVsx | clau, yes | 20:01 |
| clau | VDVsx, I put the phone to sleep and send an email to it | 20:01 |
| Morpog_Mobile | How can i force a calendar sync? | 20:01 |
| clau | just did it, give me 5 minutes and I will tell you if it wakes up. | 20:01 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: I'll let you know in half an hour if the syncs are happening in regular intervals | 20:01 |
| minimec | cvp: No update after reboot until now. Also tried with the pulley menu | 20:01 |
| clau | ortylp, set it to 5 minutes. | 20:01 |
| tbr | I noticed that if I go into the mail accounts, then everything is in place | 20:02 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, clau note that first sync can happen before or after after setting it, since it uses system global timers to wake up the device less times | 20:02 |
| tbr | but the summary on the main page, doesn't seem to update | 20:02 |
| ortylp | clau: I want to have it once in 2 hours and RELIABLY | 20:02 |
| cvp | minimec: hmm | 20:02 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: fast blinking Led (green) means what? disable all repos and run version —dup now after reboot | 20:02 |
| FireFly | New update works like a charm | 20:02 |
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| clau | 2h and you care abour reliability? :D | 20:02 |
| VDVsx | ortylp, clau i.e all apps with 10mins intervals will work at the same time | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Nokius: that's okay if it happened during version --dup, i think.. | 20:03 |
| clau | VDVsx, what should I expect from 5 min setting? | 20:03 |
| ortylp | clau: yes, I do | 20:03 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: after reboot :-/ | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: give it a little bit | 20:04 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: sreec black | 20:04 |
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| Nokius | Stskeeps: u name it :D | 20:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Nokius: still have ssh? | 20:04 |
| clau | VDVsx, it arrived before 5 min now \o/ | 20:04 |
| clau | VDVsx, I'll play with it and comment on tjc if I find any issue | 20:04 |
| VDVsx | clau, ok, so please remember that detail about the first sync, right after you change the setting | 20:05 |
| clau | VDVsx, sorry, missed it when you said it first | 20:05 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: wait again black screen and green LED had for a few sec the lock screen | 20:05 |
| clau | VDVsx, that must have been the problem. Thanks :) | 20:06 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: ssh yes | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | Nokius: run version --dup again | 20:06 |
| Nokius | okay | 20:06 |
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| clau | VDVsx, you made me happy with this fix :D. I can finally switch back to the default suspend policy | 20:07 |
| clau | and increase battery life | 20:07 |
| salami` | according to my jollas updater 1.0.3.8 is the latest version :| | 20:07 |
| Eztran | They're rolling the updates out in batches. | 20:07 |
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| salami` | meh | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | we're rolling out in batches initially, also to slow down a bit if things blow up | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | such as the case was tonight | 20:08 |
| Raim | oh, the labels of "PC Connection" and "Developer Mode" when plugging in USB were switched once again. blindly chose the wrong option at first now ;) | 20:08 |
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| Turski | wtf, tutorial can't be removed? | 20:09 |
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| Stskeeps | that's not news, though | 20:09 |
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| Acce | Stskeeps: hmm, it still won't show the update available, should I update it via cli? | 20:11 |
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| Quu | Turski: you can. with dev-mode. it will break shit. | 20:11 |
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| Turski | Quu: but previously it was removable from gui | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: ah.. i thought you had it offered | 20:11 |
| Quu | Turski: and it broke everything | 20:11 |
| Turski | Quu: and that break shit part is probably fixed already | 20:11 |
| jabis | meh "you have an update" -> backup & restart -> no update x) luckily just came here to see version --dup x) | 20:12 |
| Quu | yes | 20:12 |
| Quu | but not being able to remove it | 20:12 |
| Turski | Quu: it was just dependency issues | 20:12 |
| ottulonen | also, my custom kb layout won't work... been using the same file since I got the phone, added to layouts.conf, restarted maliit, not available | 20:12 |
| Quu | i cant english | 20:12 |
| Turski | at least i haven't had tutorial app for a long time | 20:12 |
| Turski | maybe i'll just remove it with pkcon | 20:12 |
| ottulonen | I even rebooted the phone a moment ago, checked to see file + layouts.conf remained unchanged, yet I can't select it | 20:13 |
| narchie | what does "version --dup" do? | 20:13 |
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| Acce | Stskeeps: nope, sorry :/ is it made available in batches? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:14 |
| Quu | narchie: it runs pkcon commands, 4-5 of them | 20:14 |
| Acce | ok, then you might get it tested faster by asking someone else :) | 20:14 |
| jabis | wasn't the distribution upgrade purposly disabled from pkcon binary? | 20:14 |
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| Nokius | Stskeeps: looks good now :D | 20:15 |
| jabis | Installing packages (53%) soon we'll see if it booms | 20:15 |
| narchie | Quu: ok, thanks | 20:15 |
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| Turski | jabis: i think it's just not recommended and nobody promises that it works | 20:15 |
| Quu | narchie: ask Aard, he made that neat script :) | 20:15 |
| Quu | err | 20:15 |
| Quu | thank | 20:15 |
| Quu | why cant i english today | 20:16 |
| fuz_ | my fourth software update was successful, thanks to everyone here :) | 20:16 |
| Turski | Quu: because you're drunk? | 20:16 |
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| Quu | Turski: i wish. | 20:16 |
| jabis | my Jolla is making all sounds of messaging sounds - can't see whats happening tho x) | 20:17 |
| jabis | *all kinds of | 20:17 |
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| Aard | Turski: we use it internally during development, and as it's a nice way out without requiring a care visit if the device breaks, so we left it in, just don't announce it unless needed | 20:17 |
| jabis | come on - 10 % to go and then rebootchen | 20:17 |
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| Sail0r | Quu: it's st. patrick's day so plenty reasons to be drunk ;) | 20:18 |
| cvp | cool, SDCard is now under /sdcard/ and not anymore /usr/...... | 20:18 |
| Turski | Aard: yep | 20:18 |
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| cvp | sorry unter /media/sdcard/ | 20:19 |
| ottulonen | nvm my kb issue, just had to enable it in settings | 20:19 |
| attah | Hmmmm "REBOOT NOW, unless you need to investigate update issues, or know what | 20:19 |
| attah | you're doing (or both)." | 20:19 |
| parasemic | hey, so apparently openrepos repositories brick the phone, if enabled while updating | 20:19 |
| parasemic | do i have to manually disable every single one? | 20:19 |
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| Turski | parasemic: so far only nieldk's repo found to be bricking the device | 20:20 |
| Sail0r | parasemic: it's better to disable all of them | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | we can't test with every combination of all devices, to | 20:20 |
| Turski | parasemic: but unless you want to find another one just disable all of them | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | *** If your device is no longer starting apps; SSH to your device; type in the following: ssu dr openrepos-NielDK; version --dup -- when done, turn off device, restart *** | 20:21 |
| jabis | meh - now that the update finished, after reboot it's saying "an upgrade is available" with the previous tag | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | all repositories, that is | 20:21 |
| Silwer | Hi! I need help with my device. Updated to newest software and now no apps work. However, I can SSH to device over wifi. What to do next? | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | Silwer: see my *** above | 20:21 |
| Quu | hue | 20:21 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: maybe would be good idea to post that on top of release notes? | 20:21 |
| jabis | well, I could see the proper version in the about-page, so I guess I'm happy :) | 20:21 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: i mean, that disable openrepos... | 20:22 |
| Pnuu | Silwer: https://together.jolla.com/question/33598/official-annoucement-important-steps-to-do-before-updating/ | 20:22 |
| Silwer | Ok, will try that. | 20:23 |
| Sail0r | you could add the way to disable them via warehouse app @ Aard for those who are not familiar with the terminal | 20:23 |
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| jabis | About the tutorial, can I just relocate its .desktop file to keep it out of sight | 20:23 |
| Quu | Sail0r: unless you have fucked your phone already :p | 20:24 |
| Aard | Sail0r: I'm not familiar with the warehouse app :) | 20:24 |
| Sail0r | Quu: yep ;) | 20:24 |
| mitrigol | hello all | 20:24 |
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| tobiski | I take that all store-repository.jolla.com... and releases.jolla.com starting repos are official and no need to worry when updating the device? | 20:24 |
| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/33581/how-to-disable-openrepos-repositories/#post-id-33583 | 20:24 |
| FireFly | So, on a far more minor point.. the update seems to make app covers a bit more "rectangular", is this intentional? it looks a bit buggy when I look at screenshots of the screen on the laptop | 20:25 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: at the moment everything suggests, that the email sync bug has been fixed, I cannot provide evidence that the bug still exists. | 20:25 |
| Milo- | any idea what causes the upgrade to fail with openrepos? | 20:25 |
| parasemic | stupid question incoming: can i copypaste in putty ssu? | 20:25 |
| FireFly | I guess I should post that on tjc instead | 20:25 |
| kimmoli | parasemic: mouse right click | 20:25 |
| parasemic | kimmoli: ah, thanks | 20:26 |
| Acce | Milo-: package conflict, at least with bash package | 20:26 |
| kimmoli | Milo-: openrepos-Nieldko (propably bash or something) | 20:26 |
| kimmoli | -o | 20:26 |
| rigo | you shouldn't optimize the android, but get good browsers compiled natively. | 20:26 |
| Milo- | mkay | 20:26 |
| clau | VDVsx, I just got an email notification (led + sound), but when I checked the events screen there was nothing there :| | 20:26 |
| attah | sheisse! i think i borked it.. I ran version --dup and rebooted (because it wasn't finding the update, enver had openrepos though) and now it fails to update due to "probelm with store, unable to update Untitled" <-- freely translated from swedish | 20:27 |
| raa70 | sweeet, update done | 20:27 |
| narchie | anyone got update recently? | 20:27 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Store is veeeeery slow atm | 20:27 |
| narchie | still "up to date"... | 20:27 |
| coderus | Store not working for me anymore | 20:27 |
| coderus | Everybody busy with update or someone can help me with store? | 20:28 |
| kimmoli | must wait until tsunami is over ? | 20:28 |
| tobiski | adaption0, adaption1, aliendalvik, apps, eas, hotfixes, jolla, mer-tools, store... are all these repos ok to have when updating? | 20:28 |
| Morpog_Mobile | coderus: is it also loading forever for you? | 20:28 |
| coderus | Morpog_Mobile: yes | 20:28 |
| Turski | tobiski: yes | 20:28 |
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| tobiski | Turski: alright, now if the phone just would find the update | 20:29 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Anyone else with slow store after update? | 20:29 |
| narchie | slow store, no update | 20:29 |
| Quu | store somewhat works for me | 20:29 |
| Sail0r | nice marketing mail :) | 20:29 |
| kimmoli | tobiski: my ssu lr http://pastebin.com/pawfqBjS | 20:29 |
| Quu | shows only jolla apps | 20:29 |
| parasemic | finally... had 21 openrepos repositories enabled :D | 20:30 |
| Quu | oh neat, store looks awesome | 20:30 |
| Quu | daaamn | 20:30 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Ok, so mabe overloaded jolla servers | 20:30 |
| Sail0r | it's weird with Jolla even the marketing mails look awesome and I read them even if I still know everything what is inside ;) | 20:30 |
| Morpog_Mobile | +1 | 20:30 |
| coderus | Download (curl) error for 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.4.20/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml?credentials=store': | 20:30 |
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| coderus | Error code: Unrecognized error | 20:30 |
| coderus | thats it :D | 20:30 |
| coderus | Error message: Empty reply from server | 20:30 |
| Milo- | Fatal error: Timeout exceeded when accessing 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.3.8/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml?credentials=store'. | 20:31 |
| coderus | :) | 20:31 |
| Nokius | Good job the Email from Jolla tells to disable openrepos hope Owner will read this! | 20:31 |
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| attah | perhaps jolla should lease some (more?) cloud to distribute tehhe updates. | 20:31 |
| parasemic | umm, my phone doesnt find the update? | 20:32 |
| Milo- | it's very hilighted, but unfortunatelly at the bottom of the screen :) | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | parasemic: we roll out in batches | 20:32 |
| coderus | Nokius: owner can do nothing except disabling nieldk repository | 20:32 |
| coderus | hope you all understand this | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | parasemic: to make sure that we can slow down if bad things happen | 20:32 |
| parasemic | stskeeps: ah, allright | 20:32 |
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| Milo- | Stskeeps non-dna customers first, so the important customers won't brick their devices. right? :) | 20:33 |
| Nokius | coderus: I know was one of the guys with this problem and I will enable it again (Nieldk repo) but now I learnd my leasson :D | 20:33 |
| stephg | hm | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: now that would have made business sense | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:33 |
| coderus | Nokius: actually better just download rpm you want from nieldk repo | 20:33 |
| coderus | dont enable it | 20:33 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps heh :P | 20:33 |
| Nokius | coderus: thats true ;) sice baisl made the nice gui RPM installer term on Jolla is a bit to samall :P | 20:34 |
| clau | has anyone checked if Android notifications work as native ones now? | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok, basil helped disable/nuke the repos | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | so it's less hazardous now | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | but we don't know about any other dangers | 20:35 |
| Morpog_Mobile | U domt need rpm installer anymore | 20:35 |
| Nokius | Stskeeps: lets hope we go the first sandbar :) | 20:36 |
| fuz_ | i don't know who this nieldk guy is, but i guess he'll have a bad day | 20:37 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Store is soooo slow | 20:37 |
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| jabis | meh - still tries to send me back to 1.0.3.8 | 20:38 |
| jabis | "an update is available" :D | 20:38 |
| Nokius | jabis: me too :P | 20:38 |
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| Milo- | how long should the device "idle" at "jolla"-screen during the upgrade? | 20:38 |
| jabis | ~ 10 minutes | 20:39 |
| stephg | jabis, Nokius you both have the update and have a prompt for system upgrade back to 3.8? | 20:39 |
| Sail0r | it felt like forever ;) | 20:39 |
| kimmoli | you mean "sailfish" screen? | 20:39 |
| Sail0r | but i think it was only 5-10mins | 20:39 |
| jabis | stephg: yup | 20:39 |
| Milo- | kimmoli "jolla" | 20:39 |
| stephg | add me to the list :) | 20:39 |
| Morpog_Mobile | stephg: i got the old update notification too | 20:40 |
| Nokius | stephg: yes, but had first the NielDK Problem | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | anybody else with broken devices? | 20:40 |
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| mitrigol | yes, i have actually disabled all openrepos and trying version --dup | 20:41 |
| jayki | same problem here... system update will send me back to 1.3.8 | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | did you get notified about 1.0.4.* in first place? | 20:41 |
| jabis | yup | 20:42 |
| mitrigol | yes, i updated with operepos enabled and got the apps problem | 20:42 |
| jayki | jep | 20:42 |
| mitrigol | ah, oups :) | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | *** If your device is no longer starting apps; SSH to your device; type in the following: ssu dr openrepos-NielDK; version --dup -- when done, turn off device, restart *** | 20:42 |
| stephg | Stskeeps, yep got notification, upgraded clean and is fine, but I have a notification to upgrade to 3.8 again | 20:42 |
| jayki | updated normally after openrepos disabled | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | stephg: version is 1.0.4.* in about? | 20:42 |
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| Milo- | I've had the jolla screen for about 15 minutes now. | 20:42 |
| stephg | 1.0.4.20 | 20:42 |
| jabis | yup 1.0.4.20 | 20:42 |
| jayki | yes. | 20:42 |
| Milo- | I hope it's finished by morning :) | 20:42 |
| jayki | same here :D | 20:42 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Stskeeps: no, i checked the update from settings | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | does it tell about 1.0.3.8 again | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | or 1.0.4.20? | 20:43 |
| Nokius | yes I now on 1.0.4.20 and get now Update notifaction to 1.0.3.8 | 20:43 |
| jayki | 1.0.3.8 | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 20:43 |
| jabis | 1.0.3.8 | 20:43 |
| Morpog_Mobile | 1.0.3.8 | 20:43 |
| Nokius | 1.0.3.8 | 20:43 |
| Quu | says nothing | 20:43 |
| cvp | hmm Store Problem ? | 20:43 |
| jabis | cool feature - so I guess some repo not updated in "latest" with the update notification or something | 20:44 |
| jayki | and now the store doesn't work anymore at all... | 20:44 |
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| jabis | I'd say the store is overwhelmed atm | 20:44 |
| Quu | cvp: it reloads stuff and is bit slow at first | 20:44 |
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| cvp | 5 minits before working :) downlad many stuff, but now nothing possible . :D | 20:45 |
| Quu | that made perfect sense | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | *** If your device is no longer starting apps; SSH to your device; type in the following: ssu dr openrepos-NielDK; version --dup -- when done, turn off device, restart *** | 20:46 |
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| Silwer | Hi! Just followed the instructions https://together.jolla.com/question/33598/official-announcement-important-steps-to-do-before-updating/ and got my phone working again. THANKS!!! | 20:47 |
| GsC_RuL3Z | hi, there aren't updates, but i'm using 1.0.3.8, anyone know how to fix? | 20:47 |
| Quu | GsC_RuL3Z: time. wait. | 20:47 |
| krnlyng | hi, if i go to settings->about product and select check for update it says no update available, am i doing something wrong? | 20:47 |
| Quu | yes. you need to wait. | 20:47 |
| GsC_RuL3Z | okok thanks :) | 20:47 |
| bjorn | Arg, why is the font this barely readable light gray!? -- http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=9fa131561747fd5ea8037f0c2&id=fc9e10e07d&e=1fda977cdb | 20:47 |
| Quu | the update is not released to everyone yet | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | while we're at circus tricks | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | echo "performance" >/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | do that on 1.0.4.* | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
| grzywacz | If I don't know what openrepos are, chances are my update is going to work just fine, right? ;-) | 20:48 |
| attah | bjorn: i think you need to calibrate your monitor.. it may be gray, but it's still readable | 20:48 |
| stephg | gotta say guys it is very quick :) | 20:48 |
| Quu | grzywacz: probably | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | grzywacz: 'warehouse'? | 20:49 |
| bjorn | Hrpm, my monitor displays everything else fine... | 20:49 |
| stephg | so thanks again from me to ail of the sailors | 20:49 |
| grzywacz | Stskeeps, doesn't ring anything | 20:49 |
| cvp | Stskeeps: its really need it ?.... i try this before this update and i feel nothing better/faster.... maybe by opening from android apps | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | grzywacz: you'er good then | 20:49 |
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| grzywacz | \o/ | 20:49 |
| mitrigol | My phone finished the version --dup and is now working fine, thanks a lot | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | cvp: not need, but it's a umph | 20:49 |
| Milo- | http://u.meelo.org/jolla_update.jpg - ~20 minutes and counting... | 20:49 |
| mcpi | I think I found a bug, when I'm opening an email in landscape-mode and turn it back to normal-mode, I can't swipe back to email overview and the dots in the upper left corner disappear | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | and guys and girls: please remember this is what can happen when you install from random sources | 20:49 |
| fk_lx | don't blame openrepos for all evil, guys are providing lots of useful software that Harbour doesn't allows | 20:49 |
| ortylp | Is there a way to disable downloading external resources (i.e. Images) in the email app? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: sure, but in this particular case it was due to a broken package in NielDK's repository | 20:50 |
| bjorn | attah: I don't find anything obvious I could do with my monitor, changing brightness/contrast doesn't help much. | 20:50 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: what is kgsl? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: it's now fixed in collaboration with basil and nieldk | 20:50 |
| bjorn | I don't understand why it's not just black... | 20:50 |
| fk_lx | I don't use openrepos and don't have update | 20:50 |
| attah | bjorn: I used to think that too until i got a really nice IPS display.. .. however.. they should design for normal monitors too, so it's not really an excuse that it works for me | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: well, updates are rolled out in batches | 20:51 |
| bjorn | Fortunately I can tweak the CSS... | 20:51 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: ah, the gpu i assume... | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: so you might see it in a while | 20:51 |
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| attah | hey, whatever floats your goat! ;) | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: the problem was that it caused update to break mid-way | 20:51 |
| bjorn | Oh noes, it only works per paragraph. :S | 20:51 |
| Kabouik | Hey guys, is that true that whe *need* to disable open repos before updating? | 20:51 |
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| keithzg | Hrmm, basil's repo was problematic too, eh? That's one I did have installed. But disabling the repos should work on its own, or would more be needed? Since so far for me version --dup hasn't worked even after disabling the repos. | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | keithzg: no no, not basil's | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | we recommend disabling them all because we cannot know every combination of package | 20:52 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps is it normal for this to stay on for 20+ minutes? http://u.meelo.org/jolla_update.jpg | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | once you're on 1.0.4.*, store client will ignore non-jolla repos for system update | 20:52 |
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| Kabouik | But are there actually issues with any Stskeeps, or is it just a warning? | 20:52 |
| bjorn | Arg, disabling the CSS in Firefox makes the first image totally huge, destroying the wrapping of the rest of the text. :/ | 20:52 |
| keithzg | Stskeeps: Fair enough. Certainly *something* I had installed broke the update when I tried to run it, and I never used NielDK's repo. | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: yes, people cannot start any apps anymore | 20:53 |
| jabis | Stskeeps: what's that governor governing? | 20:53 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: ok, got a problem: update info to 1.0.4.20 popped up, started downloading, system crashed. After start it reported no update and after a while a new version available 1.0.4.4. Attempt to update to that brought an interesting screen "Up-to-date", which shows on each subsequent 1.0.4.20 pop-ups. ssu lr shows 1.0.4.4 repositories. Intriguing. | 20:53 |
| Kabouik | Hum. So let's disable all! I hope it will be easy to re-enable them afterwards. Thanks Stskeeps | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: that's interesting | 20:53 |
| keithzg | Kabouik: Anecdotally, my update failed, and I had several openrepos repos enabled but not NielDK's, so chances are other packages could be problematic too, yeah. Re-enabling afterwards should be as simple as disabling beforehand was, though :) | 20:54 |
| Kabouik | Any way to disable all of them at once? The Warehouse app refreshes cache for each repo I disable... And I have more thzan 30. | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: passed it on to our store guys | 20:54 |
| kimmoli | Kabouik: you made it here (?) | 20:54 |
| Kabouik | I did not update yet kimmoli | 20:54 |
| Kabouik | Thanks kimmoli | 20:54 |
| Kabouik | keithzg* | 20:54 |
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| ajaijjaj | i'm having trouble disabling openrepos. Could it be that the openrepos server can't keep up the demand? | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | I'm thinking about just removing the corresponding .repo files | 20:55 |
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| Kabouik | And yes I made it here kimmoli, I'm here since October I think. Not very active though, it depends :p | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | should be faster & next refresh should pick up only the remaining ones | 20:56 |
| kimmoli | heh.. | 20:56 |
| Turski | ajaijjaj: openrepos don't need to answer you on repo disabling... | 20:56 |
| jabis | if you remove the .repo files be sure to clean the pkcon cache as well | 20:56 |
| kimmoli | to watch the "show" here due update... ( https://together.jolla.com/question/33598/important-steps-to-do-before-updating/ ) | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the .repo file handling is weird overall | 20:56 |
| Milo- | I'm afraid my Jolla-phone is starting windows vista, as it's been booting up for almost 30 minutes :/ | 20:56 |
| ortylp | VDVsx: I have actually hoped, that after the sync bug got fixed I could get Jolla out of my drawer and actually use it... until I discovered https://together.jolla.com/question/3758/mail-application-ask-to-load-images-in-email/ It got spotted thanks to Jolla marketing email... ech... now Jolla goes back into the drawer and waits one more month for next update... | 20:56 |
| ajaijjaj | Turski: I'm doing it using warehouse, disable repo, and I get repo-not-available error because of timeout. But ok, I'll try in terminal | 20:56 |
| Turski | Milo-: there's something wrong with it... | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | I had repositories added by zypper ar cleaned up by something | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | multiple times | 20:57 |
| Milo- | I might actually need some help with this :/ | 20:57 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: I'm not totally sure if it says "Up-to-date", it's Polish "Aktualny" (word equivalent) shown on the os update screen after the "Searching/Wyszukiwanie" phase. | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | looks like it nukes everything not having the ssu prefix | 20:57 |
| keithzg | Kabouik: You could run "ssu lr" to get the names of all the openrepos you have enabled, then create a quick hacky bash script to run "ssu dr" on each openrepos name, heh. Take a bit of manual work, but perhaps less than clicking on each of 30 repos in a GUI. | 20:57 |
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| Bawal | mine downloaded some of the update but now it just keeps cancelling the download stating "problem with upgrading untitled" | 20:58 |
| Milo- | Turski awesome.. I can ssh myself in, but I have no recollection of what the ssh password is.. | 20:58 |
| Milo- | last used ssh password is a generated one. | 20:58 |
| Skorpy | is ssu status supposed to show "Release: 1.0.4.4" even though I'm still at 1.0.3.8? version does say the correct version. | 20:58 |
| jabis | Milo, it is the one you set in the developer tools menu | 20:58 |
| Milo- | jabis as I said, last password is a generated one. | 20:59 |
| Aard | Skorpy: it should _never_ say 1.0.4.4 | 20:59 |
| Milo- | I wrote it once, can't remember it :) | 20:59 |
| Aard | Skorpy: what happened before? | 20:59 |
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| Turski | $ for repo in $(ssu lr | grep openrepos | cut -d ' ' -f 3); do ssu dr $repo; done | 21:00 |
| Turski | :) | 21:00 |
| keithzg | Hmm, I'm getting "fatal error: Timeout exceeded when accessing 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/Sbj/amv7hl/repodata/repomod.xml?credentials=store'." when I run "version --dup", although it's now downloading packages. Guess the store's just overloaded. | 21:00 |
| Skorpy | Aard: just tried to update through the settings and after it said "Problem installing Untitled" I started to try with pkcon refresh but just keep getting errors because store is pretty much on its knees. | 21:00 |
| keithzg | Turski: Nice :) | 21:00 |
| jabis | Milo-: that is real bad for you, if you haven't saved it anywhere | 21:00 |
| attah | Does the "problem with store -unable to update Untitled" equal to store overload or should i be worried? | 21:00 |
| Skorpy | ^ | 21:00 |
| Milo- | hmh | 21:00 |
| Bawal | mine does that too | 21:01 |
| Bawal | :/ | 21:01 |
| keithzg | All us eager beavers hammering the store repository. | 21:01 |
| Morpog_ | Stskeeps, the performance governor is just wow together with 1.0.4.20 | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_: much wow | 21:01 |
| Milo- | can anything irreversible happen if I forcibly shutdown my phone after it has tried to start itself for 30 minutes after issuing upgrade? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | such shiny | 21:01 |
| stephg | lol | 21:01 |
| bjorn | attah: Copy & paste to text editor worked nicely. For the next time, I've configured to receive the mailings in Text now. :) | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | very #unlike | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: read release notes first, if nothing matches, ok | 21:01 |
| Kabouik | Thanks a lot keithzg, will try that | 21:02 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps I did, can't ssh back in, don't know the ssh password | 21:02 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: how about power consumption with performance? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: it's not terribly big hit afaik | 21:02 |
| Morpog_ | will impress some iphone users with it tomorrow :) | 21:02 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: and is pwerformance governor just locked in max freq? | 21:02 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: need to test that :) | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: but we weren't 100% sure so that's why it didn't go into 1.0.4 | 21:02 |
| keithzg | Kabouik: See Turski's one-liner above: "for repo in $(ssu lr | grep openrepos | cut -d ' ' -f 3); do ssu dr $repo; done". | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK | I'm thinking how long before someone makes an app that switches the governor by cover action :) | 21:02 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: ok, sound good. i will enable it for test | 21:03 |
| Kabouik | In a .sh executable file? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: okay :/ if you know how to operate recovery mode; i'd like a copy of /var/log/zypp/history | 21:03 |
| keithzg | Kabouik: If you like, or just in the terminal (with privilages) | 21:03 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: Skorpy's error seems to be the same as mine; I guess then it's a wider issue | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:03 |
| Kabouik | Alright, perfect keithzg. Will try that in a few minutes | 21:03 |
| Bawal | why does the device keep on trying to update 1.0.4.4 if it shouldn't | 21:04 |
| Morpog_ | Stskeeps, maybe something like googles project butter. Enable performance governor as soon a touch is detected for a few seconds | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_: well, we do that for cpu | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | theoretically it could happen for gpu too | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: ^ | 21:04 |
| Morpog_ | sounds like a plan :D | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | I guess it depends on the cost of the switching itself ? | 21:04 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: not a bad thought. won't help the case of running animations without touch, but it'll help a lot of cases for sure | 21:05 |
| Skorpy | so wait now. the update is 1.0.4.20 and my Jolla is trying to update to 1.0.4.4. wth? | 21:06 |
| Bawal | Skorpy: me too | 21:06 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps can't access recovery mode.. | 21:06 |
| jabis | but the performance governor is already set at ondemand - so when does it get demanded | 21:06 |
| jayki | for me its trying to update to 1.0.3.8.... | 21:06 |
| Skorpy | Bawal: earlier I didn't even notice it was higher than it should be. :P | 21:06 |
| jabis | (set it to performance - hmm I'd say I can trade some battery life for this x) | 21:06 |
| Morpog_ | jabis, ondemand could be too late, so a lag already happened before it clocks the gpu up | 21:07 |
| Bawal | i just noticed it too when i tried pkcon refresh on the terminal | 21:07 |
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| Bawal | although it states it also on the store page | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: take out usb, pull battery, put battery in, hold volume down and power on, it gets stuck at jolla logo -> can follow https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/#post-id-22127 | 21:07 |
| coderus | what about conservative/powersave governors? is it available for gpu? Stskeeps | 21:07 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: seems to be something like 0,2 W more when idling in hunger meter with performance governor... | 21:08 |
| jabis | I'm not a Jolla-person, but you could try to set the ssu to release 1.0.4.20 manually | 21:08 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: or maybe not... | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: no | 21:08 |
| jabis | then refresh the pkcon and try to version dup again | 21:08 |
| Skorpy | jabis: how? | 21:08 |
| parasemic | is opening screen with volume buttons fixed? how about opening in pocket straight to app if screen closed via timer? | 21:08 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps problem is, that it's not showing up as ethernet device.. | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: hmmm | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: what OS? | 21:09 |
| Milo- | linux | 21:09 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: but the ui feels pretty nice with performance governor :) | 21:09 |
| Quu | parasemic: screen opens with vol-keys | 21:09 |
| Milo- | let's see if my laptop detects it | 21:09 |
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| Turski | Stskeeps: am i right if i assume that we haven't yet seen impact of these optimizations on jolla? http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/09/02/new-scene-graph-renderer/ | 21:10 |
| jabis | Skorpy: ssu re 1.0.4.20 , pkcon refresh (or was that zypper ref) , version --dup , but I'm not guaranteeing it will work, and I don't encourage you to brick your device :D | 21:10 |
| Turski | those graps look pretty promising :) | 21:10 |
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| Skorpy | jabis: | 21:11 |
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| Skorpy | jabis: it seems I have run that command once in the past too. | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: yes, with that it's closer to .. | 21:11 |
| Skorpy | jabis: with 1.0.2.5 | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-UJrS6lQVqAJ4bkkO_HXdgvAU8HN9wckl7W7V8aBriU4UNM91 | 21:11 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: :) | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's just not yet at a stable enough state to roll out to users | 21:11 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: ok, good to know that there's work going on that | 21:12 |
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| Milo- | Stskeeps /var/log/ is empty when accessed through recovery tool | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: uh.. | 21:12 |
| Skorpy | jabis, Bawal: refreshing now. "ssu release 1.0.4.20" worked. | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: author of blog post works with us now | 21:13 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: i'm just wondering where in hell android devices need snapdragon 888 if snapdragon 400 is capable of that :P | 21:13 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: wow, great | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: er.. hmm .. wait | 21:13 |
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| Milo- | probably because rootfs is not actually mounted | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Milo-: yes | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt | 21:14 |
| Milo- | yep | 21:15 |
| merlin1991 | what exactly does version --dup do? | 21:17 |
| jabis | runs some pkcon magic commands | 21:17 |
| Kabouik | Turski, I've just tried your command line for disabling all open repos at once from SSH and devel-su, but when I check in Warehouse GUI, all is still enabled | 21:17 |
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| Turski | Kabouik: what does ssu lr say? | 21:18 |
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| Kabouik | Well, probably the GUI which is dumb, when I try ssu lr, nothing appears | 21:18 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps http://codepad.org/0XGAIezo | 21:18 |
| Kabouik | Ah you just burnt me Turski :p | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: okay | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: that's not supposed to happen | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: ^ | 21:19 |
| jabis | Skorpy: good that you got it to the right milestone - let's hope your upgrade goes smooth | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: did you have a jolla account? | 21:19 |
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| Milo- | yes | 21:19 |
| Kabouik | Do you have any idea on how to re-enable everything from command line afterwards Turski? | 21:19 |
| Skorpy | jabis: currently updating. | 21:19 |
| Milo- | do I need to chroot and manually run 'version --dup'? | 21:19 |
| Aard | Milo-: nothing else there? | 21:19 |
| ln- | is 4G there yet? | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: you need to do a factory reset but you can rescue a lot of data by moving it to a microsd card or else getting it out from device | 21:19 |
| Milo- | Aard that's all from today. | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: that's reaaaly not supposed to happen | 21:20 |
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| Milo- | Stskeeps heh. chroot && version --dup could work.. | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: welllll | 21:20 |
| Milo- | version --dup should manually invoke the upgrade? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: maybe if you set resolv.conf and a bit of routing to outside | 21:20 |
| Turski | Kabouik: how about ssu er everything? | 21:20 |
| Aard | Milo-: there's no packagekit running in the chroot -> do zypper ref -f; zypper dup | 21:21 |
| Aard | once the system is up again, do a version --dup to pull in missing pieces | 21:21 |
| thargor | are the jolla servers a little bit busy right now? I'm unable to check for an update ;-) | 21:21 |
| Milo- | hmm. networking is a bit complicated | 21:21 |
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| Kiranos | is there a together post about what is happening when a openrepo is active at upgrade? a document as to why the upgrade fails? | 21:22 |
| coderus | Store not working. Error accessing Store servers :( | 21:22 |
| Sail0r | rofl so many love the ui changes and others gonna hate https://together.jolla.com/question/33686/10420-how-to-fix-the-new-ui-changes/ | 21:22 |
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| M4rtinK | I've got to a page showing "System update" & nice boat | 21:22 |
| M4rtinK | no pulley menu and doesn't seem to respond to clicking | 21:23 |
| Milo- | Aard there is no 'zypper' binary present in rootfs | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | is this a known issue ? | 21:23 |
| Aard | Milo-: ok, then you'll need to get dbus and packagekit up | 21:23 |
| coderus | Milo-: pkcon install zypepr | 21:24 |
| Kabouik | Just found that on TJC Turski: "for i in $(ssu lr 2>&1 | grep openre | cut -d" " -f3); do ssu er $i ; done" | 21:24 |
| merlin1991 | following journalctl while doing version --dup is quite scary | 21:24 |
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| Kabouik | Thanks a lot :) | 21:24 |
| smokex | when will the store be available for sales to Australia? | 21:25 |
| Aard | merlin1991: there's a reason the official way of updating is in act dead :) | 21:25 |
| coderus | Kabouik: ssu dr instead of ssu er?? | 21:25 |
| Milo- | any idea how to manually start the wlan module? | 21:25 |
| Turski | Kabouik: i assumed you could solve the problem and replace dr with er... | 21:25 |
| Aard | Milo-: can you do network over usb? might be easier | 21:25 |
| Aard | and nat on your computer | 21:25 |
| Kabouik | Yes Turski, that's why I thanked you :o | 21:25 |
| Turski | coderus: this was about enabling the repos again after upgrade | 21:25 |
| coderus | Milo-: ifconfig + iwconfig? | 21:25 |
| merlin1991 | well the official way gave me the "Problem installing Untitled" error .. | 21:25 |
| coderus | Turski: aha :) | 21:25 |
| Kabouik | coderus what do you mean? It's for re-enabling here | 21:25 |
| Skorpy | merlin1991: https://together.jolla.com/question/33685/cannot-update-to-10420/ | 21:26 |
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| Milo- | Aard I think I'm doing this the wrong way... usually slave-device provides the network for the host, and not the other way around. | 21:27 |
| Kiranos | Jolla @JollaHQ 26m | 21:27 |
| Kiranos | @PeterSmurffiPan the bug was due to a 3rd party repo which was discovered after we pushed out the update. We can't check all 3rd party repos | 21:27 |
| * Kiranos interesed in what the bug was | 21:27 | |
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| ballock | I love the finishing line of version --dup "All bugs you encounter until reboot are features unless you meet one of the criteria from the previous sentence." | 21:27 |
| coderus | Store main page not working, but i can search and install applications :) | 21:27 |
| merlin1991 | dang dev mode is in another spot now | 21:27 |
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| Nicd- | Kiranos: some repo contained a conflicting version of bash that was pulled by the update at least | 21:28 |
| Eztran | neilDK's. | 21:29 |
| Kiranos | actually contained or had the old version as requirement so it conflicted? | 21:29 |
| Nicd- | I love the dynamic orientation lock idea, why hasn't anyone thought of that before?! :D | 21:29 |
| Nicd- | Kiranos: it was newer but incompatible in some way | 21:30 |
| cvp | damn, email bug is not fixed, get from O2 Network cypted info emails :( | 21:30 |
| Kiranos | its kinda scary that openrepos has zero qa | 21:30 |
| Eztran | Well, yes. That's the trade-off. | 21:30 |
| Kiranos | replacing /usr/bin/bash? | 21:30 |
| Kiranos | that should be a red light right there :P | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | problem wasn't the replacing, problem was the breaking mid way | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | anybody else with apps that won't start or freeeze? | 21:31 |
| coderus | Kiranos: well... | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: you'll be fine? | 21:31 |
| Kiranos | well some kind of coding guidelines should be placed and an openrepo stable/testing | 21:31 |
| merlin1991 | wtf can't remove "tutorial" | 21:32 |
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| coderus | its kinda scary Sailfish nave no packages priorities. I know no systems which can hang itself if some of user repositories contain conflicting versions during upgrade :D | 21:32 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: jabis's solution worked for me too, so I'm fine | 21:32 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps nope... can't set-up network from chroot.. | 21:32 |
| coderus | and i'm happy it fixed in 1.0.4.20 | 21:32 |
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| Anz_ | safe to embrace the update? | 21:32 |
| M4rtinK | weird, got unstuck & updating now | 21:32 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: I love you guys/gals and the new update. cheers to everyone at Jolla!. :) | 21:32 |
| coderus | Milo-: setup usb internet from pc | 21:33 |
| coderus | its much easier | 21:33 |
| AJAX555 | been spamming the "check for update" | 21:33 |
| AJAX555 | still thinks it is up to date | 21:33 |
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| Eztran | They're (still) going in batches. | 21:33 |
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| thargor | is there a list of batches? or a schedule? | 21:34 |
| thargor | would stop me from trying to catch the update :-D | 21:34 |
| Xiph | anyone else having trouble getting the update? | 21:34 |
| narchie | Xiph: yup | 21:34 |
| narchie | cant find it | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | we're rolling out the update in batches, if you don't get it yet, you'll get it eventually | 21:35 |
| flanag | ^ | 21:35 |
| Xiph | okay | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | it's good practice so we don't accidentially nuke every jolla device in existence | 21:35 |
| thargor | according to the statement that the update will be shipped in batches I think a lot of people are waiting now ;-) | 21:35 |
| Xiph | my jolla store takes ages to load though | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | and that's part of the reason it's not getting more devices into the update ;) | 21:35 |
| coderus | yandex store wasnt updated to latest version in this update... | 21:36 |
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| thargor | agree with good practice but its much harder to wait now then before the update was released | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:36 |
| Anz_ | batches in the sense.. country wise? or device shipping date? or.. | 21:36 |
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| kimju | nothing about 4g in the release notes? | 21:36 |
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| merlin1991 | now why can't I remove the tutorial app from the launcher ;/ | 21:37 |
| thargor | I think personal preferences wise | 21:37 |
| Wtf_ | can anyone help with the problem? apps are not opening, i had the warehouse etc enabled..... | 21:37 |
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| Milo- | coderus apparently setting up usb-networking is not quite as easy as one would think.. | 21:37 |
| coderus | Milo-: ifconfig up usb0 192.168.2.15 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.14 ? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: ifconfig rndis0 10.42.0.5 and go to network manager ; shared with other computers for the configuration | 21:38 |
| cvp | Stskeeps: is it know the problem? from begin 1.0.0.5 and now 1.0.4.20 ... i receive all emails and can it read, exept the Newsletter from my Network Company where i work for | 21:38 |
| Eztran | Wtf_: from Stskeeps earlier, *** If your device is no longer starting apps; SSH to your device; type in the following: ssu dr openrepos-NielDK; version --dup -- when done, turn off device, restart *** | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: if linux/networkmanager | 21:38 |
| cvp | Stskeeps: the emails have only 10 charakt and looks crypted | 21:39 |
| kimmoli | GN to everyone... hope all issues will sort out !! | 21:40 |
| Xiph | as I said, my Jolla Store takes ages to load. Is this because of the update being rolled out and the store therefore being overloaded? | 21:40 |
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| Wtf_ | how to ssh? im noob. have tested putty before, is that it? | 21:40 |
| Teme | Xiph: i'm experiencing the same and it's prolly related to the update | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, there's a fair bit of load on those things.. | 21:40 |
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| Milo- | coderus usb0, no such device.. actually, should that be my wlan0:1 (as wlan0 actually provides the connection?) | 21:41 |
| Teme | Wtf_: putty it is (if you're on windows) | 21:41 |
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| Wtf_ | 192.168.0.14 doesnt work. how do i know the ip? | 21:41 |
| Wtf_ | that was saved by me | 21:41 |
| Xiph | Teme: good to know that we're in the same boat ^^ | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: and then telnet to 10.42.0.5, can now ping 10.42.0.1 and echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf on device | 21:42 |
| Wtf_ | from the last session | 21:42 |
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| Kiranos | [22:32:57] <coderus> and i'm happy it fixed in 1.0.4.20 | 21:43 |
| Kiranos | coderus: what were you thinking of? | 21:43 |
| Xiph | Stskeeps: how are the batches being divided, by country? | 21:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Xiph: we're running a bit of a bet of people finding out what the pattern is | 21:43 |
| Morpog_ | yeah, the official rpm installer is cool :D | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:43 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps and coderus both methods failed, but I was able to change nemo passwd in chroot, thus gaining access to the device when it boot-locks. | 21:44 |
| thargor | stskeeps then I think its country wise sorted alphabetic | 21:44 |
| FireFly | Wtf_: you should be able to find its IP in your router's list of connected hosts | 21:44 |
| FireFly | or you could try ssh over USB instead perhaps | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK | I would just all account names sorted alphabetically and the result sliced to batches | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | *would expect | 21:45 |
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| Milo- | "Repository 'adaptation0' is invalid. | 21:46 |
| Milo- | is that fine? | 21:46 |
| stephg | M4rtinK, I'm at the end of the alphabet | 21:46 |
| stephg | and I have it | 21:46 |
| stephg | OMG we need a spreadsheet!!!!1ONE | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | who says they go from the start ? :) | 21:46 |
| * stephg tongue firmly in cheek ;) | 21:46 | |
| Sail0r | maybe it's just fifo | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | oh, or maybe :) | 21:47 |
| thargor | provider wise could be an idea too... or IP ranges ;-) | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | do you remember those preorder numbers ? :) | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | thargor: those change all the time | 21:47 |
| Wtf_ | where is this list? and doesnt jolla connect to computer after i used putty? but i cant do that because i dont know ip address | 21:47 |
| stephg | karma on TJC | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | people wit lower preorder number are more likely to be technically able, so should get the update sooner :) | 21:48 |
| Xiph | anyone from Sweden who have got the update? | 21:48 |
| Anz_ | watching this irc log is more exciting.. i haven't checked if the update is available or not :) | 21:48 |
| Eztran | Anz_: you probably have the right approach :) | 21:48 |
| attah | Xiph: yes, finally about 10 mins ago | 21:48 |
| Xiph | oh | 21:48 |
| Xiph | I havent | 21:48 |
| jabis | Anz_: lol | 21:49 |
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| attah | Xiph: actually it showed after reboot about an hour ago.. but didn't start downloading until i did this https://together.jolla.com/question/33685/cannot-update-to-10420/ | 21:49 |
| Teme | Wtf_: can't you see the ip address listed in system -> developer mode ? | 21:50 |
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| Bawal | attah: mine did that too and i can confirm it helps | 21:50 |
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| Wtf_ | cant do nothing with the phone | 21:50 |
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| Bawal | even though every time i ran that command the store restored the 1.0.4.4. state | 21:50 |
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| Wtf_ | apps dont open | 21:50 |
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| Wtf_ | or they do and then not responding | 21:51 |
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| Bawal | so i had to run the update from command line to prevent store app resetting the update version to the wrong one | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Wtf_: i think you have to go for a factory reset through recovery mode then, see https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/#post-id-22127 | 21:51 |
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| Milo- | "zypper ref -f; zypper dup" -> "Nothing to do." | 21:51 |
| Teme | Wtf_: aha, then did you change the IP? | 21:51 |
| Wtf_ | no | 21:51 |
| Teme | default is 192.168.2.15 | 21:51 |
| louisdk | Hi. I've checked, but haven't got the update 1.4.x yet? Is there something I can do? | 21:52 |
| Wtf_ | ok i try | 21:52 |
| stephg | louisdk, wait | 21:52 |
| attah | woohoo! done! | 21:52 |
| Bawal | yeah, they're releasing the update in "waves" | 21:52 |
| Bawal | the store seems to be overwhelmed even now | 21:52 |
| stephg | also depends which way you're facing when you try and refresh | 21:52 |
| Bawal | so just wait, it'll show | 21:52 |
| Bawal | ha :D | 21:52 |
| Wtf_ | nope didn't connect | 21:53 |
| vgrade | first batch developer mode folks | 21:53 |
| thargor | M4rtinK it the depends provider IP (WLAN) doesn't change that often and are some kind of "country" wise | 21:53 |
| stephg | vgrade shh | 21:53 |
| Milo- | "ssu model -s" should return Sbj? | 21:53 |
| thargor | do you know a finish proxy then I'll try it :-D | 21:53 |
| thargor | vgrade not really | 21:54 |
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| Bawal | thank you for help with the update problems | 21:54 |
| jabis | man I like the performance governor :3 | 21:55 |
| Milo- | any way of manually logging in to jolla store (from command line?) | 21:56 |
| attah | that flow tho! | 21:56 |
| Turski | interesting... i was creating an ambiance and after entering a name for ambiance, the phone just changed ambiance to that preinstalled violin ambiance, and renamed it and two others as the one i was just entering... and also favorited them O_o | 21:56 |
| Milo- | it won't let me fetch package lists now that the phone is not actually on.. | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: together -> | 21:57 |
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| Turski | Stskeeps: need to try if i can reproduce this | 21:57 |
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| ar | hm | 21:58 |
| Teme | btw Wtf_ i got the impression that you'd connected previously, are you on windows? | 21:58 |
| stephg | random question, was there an update to Webcat at approximately the same time/today? | 21:58 |
| ar | my jolla's still at 1.0.3.8 and i don't get any update notification | 21:58 |
| Milo- | "Store credentials not received. Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." | 21:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Milo-: arr.. | 21:58 |
| ar | even after i check for update | 21:59 |
| stephg | ar: wait | 21:59 |
| Teme | have you configured the network resource IP to the same subnet as Jolla's default | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | ar: try now | 21:59 |
| Teme | won't work without it | 21:59 |
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| ar | Stskeeps: still | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | wait for it.. | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
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| Wtf_ | yes Teme | 21:59 |
| coderus | Milo-: i'm talking about rndis connection. | 21:59 |
| mornfall | so running rpm -Va before the update (apart from bunch of modified files) gives: | 21:59 |
| mornfall | statefs-provider-inout-profile conflicts with (installed) statefs-provider-profile-0.2.48-1.7.7.armv7hl | 21:59 |
| Wtf_ | and yes im on windows | 21:59 |
| Milo- | coderus no need for that anymore | 21:59 |
| coderus | Kiranos: i'm talking about user repositories | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | wow, those new points are big :D | 22:00 |
| minimec | Feel like in this 'Happy Song' by Pharrell Williams. Update successful! The new keyboard is much better, Art covers shown for all my ogg's. Much more to discover... ;) | 22:00 |
| Milo- | gah.. it's late and phone is broken, can't go to sleep... | 22:00 |
| Wtf_ | no i have not configured anything | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: might be fixed in 1.0.4.20 | 22:00 |
| Wtf_ | i think | 22:00 |
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| Teme | Wtf_: but connected successfully previously? | 22:00 |
| Wtf_ | yes | 22:00 |
| kelvan | tried twice to install the update, after download->install it just reboots | 22:00 |
| Milo- | any idea how to pass the credentials from cmdline? | 22:00 |
| Wtf_ | cant remember how | 22:00 |
| coderus | Milo-: disable store repo at the moment | 22:00 |
| Teme | i don't buy that ;) | 22:00 |
| coderus | ssu re 1.0.4.20 | 22:01 |
| coderus | and upgrade | 22:01 |
| Wtf_ | just looked the ip from jolla and put it in putty? | 22:01 |
| Teme | https://together.jolla.com/question/1919/howto-connecting-to-jolla-via-ssh-over-usb/ check steps 2&3 from this | 22:01 |
| coderus | ssu cant receive credentials in chroot | 22:01 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: OK, I'm just cleaning up broken rpm's I had installed with zypper before doing an update and noticed this... | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: i have to head to bed soon, ping me tomorrow if there's anything i can help with there | 22:01 |
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| ajaijjaj | I haven't received the update yet. Just disabled all openrepos. I don't know if this is related, but now I can't ssh anymore, receive timeout. But I can sftp and browse all the files. How that's possible? | 22:01 |
| mornfall | "broken" in the sense that they have unsatisfied deps because of the mesa<->libhybris conflict, they work otherwise | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | ok then, Jolla updated | 22:01 |
| Milo- | coderus store and the other repos that require credentials? | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | back to the thread pool implementation :) | 22:02 |
| Wtf_ | ok | 22:02 |
| coderus | only store require credentials | 22:02 |
| mornfall | not feeling brave enough to try the updater with those if it's too fragile to handle extra repos :P | 22:02 |
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| attah | Darn it! Calendar time still gets borked when adding appointments late at night :( | 22:02 |
| Milo- | coderus http://codepad.org/r7sEVASi | 22:02 |
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| coderus | Milo-: so yes | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | attah: huh? | 22:02 |
| GsC_RuL3Z | update available now :D | 22:02 |
| thargor | GsC where do you live? | 22:03 |
| GsC_RuL3Z | italy | 22:03 |
| thargor | its available now for me too | 22:03 |
| thargor | switzerland | 22:03 |
| GsC_RuL3Z | ^^ | 22:04 |
| vgrade | uk | 22:04 |
| narchie | update available | 22:04 |
| thargor | which country? | 22:04 |
| narchie | fi | 22:04 |
| thargor | since when available narchie, now or longer time? | 22:04 |
| narchie | just right now | 22:04 |
| narchie | I've been waiting since 9pm | 22:04 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | so it is not country order | 22:04 |
| jabis | hehe - now to figure out how to rid the update available back to 1.0.3.8 x) | 22:05 |
| thargor | when did you buy your device? | 22:05 |
| coderus | Milo-: you can try just zypper in --force bash | 22:05 |
| attah | Stskeeps:I select a day forward in time, then create an appointment there, and it assumes to start and end it on different days.. which makes it a pain when changing the time | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | attah: report on together.? | 22:05 |
| thargor | I bought mine at the official launch (not preorder) | 22:05 |
| coderus | Milo-: if it just absh problem phone shoud boot after that | 22:05 |
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| coderus | bash* | 22:05 |
| vgrade | so Stskeeps counted down to 00:00 and few of us got d/l | 22:05 |
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| attah | Stskeeps: it's there somewhere.. just not by me.. i'll try to check status, and if i cant find it i'll ignore the fact and post it again | 22:06 |
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| Milo- | coderus I had no openrepos enabled when upgrading | 22:06 |
| attah | But tomorrow. | 22:06 |
| ar | yay, downloading | 22:06 |
| cvp | coderus: what for information i have put into to Salt password ? | 22:06 |
| * Stskeeps heads to sleep | 22:06 | |
| stephg | the subtle improvements to ambience are great | 22:07 |
| stephg | niiight Stskeeps | 22:07 |
| Xiph | nn | 22:07 |
| thargor | n8 | 22:07 |
| coderus | Milo-: but you had bash frm openrepos installed before? | 22:07 |
| Milo- | coderus no | 22:08 |
| jabis | Oh one thing I noticed - the update cleared my developer mode password - had to retype it, do I need to update my authorized_keys as well? | 22:08 |
| coderus | cvp: its common crypto salt | 22:08 |
| Wtf_ | doesnt connect with 192.168.2.15 i set that to 192.168.2.5 | 22:08 |
| coderus | used for randomize your id | 22:08 |
| coderus | Milo-: then try dup | 22:08 |
| jabis | or rather it was gone from the keyring, than cleared from shadow | 22:08 |
| coderus | hope it works now | 22:08 |
| Turski | damn... invoker seems to be still not fixed | 22:08 |
| cvp | and ho i get it ? | 22:08 |
| coderus | Turski: what you mean? | 22:09 |
| Milo- | coderus version --dup or zypper dup? | 22:09 |
| Wtf_ | in my putty i have saved a priofile SSH Wifi and loading it gives ip address 192.168.0.14 port 22 | 22:09 |
| stephg | jabis, it didn't reset my password | 22:09 |
| vgrade | coderus: http://t.co/WsDXx9YH2R | 22:09 |
| coderus | cvp: you should use any string and remember it :) | 22:09 |
| clau | the flickering is not gone completely :( | 22:09 |
| Teme | Wtf_: then try setting the network interface ip to 192.168.0.x | 22:09 |
| coderus | vgrade: working after reboot? | 22:09 |
| Turski | coderus: this https://together.jolla.com/question/5561/make-fingertermbash-startup-execute-standard-profilebashrc-scripts#12285 | 22:09 |
| jabis | stephg: yes the password still worked, but the keychain from UI-wise was gone | 22:10 |
| coderus | Turski: aha | 22:10 |
| Wtf_ | ok | 22:10 |
| vgrade | coderus: yea, but not from ks yet, upgrade from 1.0.2.5 | 22:10 |
| Kabouik | Surprisingly my Jolla won't update successfully. I tried twice: it warns me about the new update, donwloads it, install it, reboots, asks for Pin code, and then I'm still in 1.3.0.8 | 22:10 |
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| stephg | Kabouik did you disable any extra repos? | 22:10 |
| Kabouik | All of them using the commandline | 22:11 |
| thargor | Kabouik only once? | 22:11 |
| Kabouik | Yes | 22:11 |
| attah | Stskeeps & all: https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/ | 22:11 |
| Kabouik | Ah, they are all enabled again when I ssu lr | 22:11 |
| Kabouik | Weird | 22:11 |
| thargor | "In rare circumstances, you may have to try a second time to get through the update successfully." out of the official announcement | 22:11 |
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| Wtf_ | nope :/ | 22:12 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | in this case install goes quickly | 22:12 |
| coderus | vgrade: okay. i can try to upgrade my N9 tomorrow :) | 22:13 |
| raa70 | where's TOH ID? | 22:13 |
| cvp | coderus: damn its late... but unterstand now, forget "49"... but the registration take long | 22:13 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | raa70: system info | 22:13 |
| Kabouik | "for i in $(ssu lr 2>&1 | grep openre | cut -d" " -f3); do ssu dr $i ; done" doesn't work anymore. All repos still show up after I run this command (which does not return any error). I am root. | 22:13 |
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| Turski | Kabouik: pastebin the output of that command | 22:14 |
| Kabouik | It worked 30 min earlier, before the 2 Sailfish upgrade attempts | 22:14 |
| pdanek | o.O, so disabling the openrepos actually removes packages that were installed from it? | 22:14 |
| Kabouik | No output Turski, it just computes for a few seconds | 22:14 |
| coderus | cvp: if registration not finished after receiving sms code send me your logfile | 22:14 |
| Turski | Kabouik: output of ssu lr | 22:15 |
| coderus | Kabouik: it still show in disabled section? | 22:15 |
| coderus | pdanek: ofc. no | 22:15 |
| cvp | coderus: can you tell me the path from logfile pls | 22:15 |
| Kabouik | http://pastebin.com/AaQQwG5z Turski | 22:15 |
| coderus | cvp: read mitakuuluu description at openrepos please | 22:16 |
| Turski | Kabouik: now if you look really closely, you can see that those are all disabled | 22:16 |
| jabis | vgrade: were you talking about updating N9 to more recent Sailfish version than 1.0.2.5? Wasn't there a problem with the newer kernel? | 22:16 |
| Kabouik | Ah. Sorry then :p | 22:16 |
| Kabouik | For my defense, earlier, after the long command line, ssu lr did not return anything, so this time I thought something was wrong | 22:16 |
| coderus | jabis: afaik new features wasnt applied yet | 22:17 |
| Kabouik | But yes my bad, sorry again. I'll try upgrading again | 22:17 |
| Turski | Kabouik: well, it should have had return if you had something enabled | 22:17 |
| coderus | Kabouik: seems you used rr which is removerepo, now you used dr which is disablerepo | 22:17 |
| Kabouik | It returned nothing, not even disabled repos the first time | 22:17 |
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| Kabouik | No coderus, I don't think so, I copied the command from TJC | 22:18 |
| ar | yay, my phone is now 1.0.4.20 | 22:18 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | kabouik did your install take few secs or minutes? | 22:18 |
| Kabouik | I went afk during install, cannot say | 22:18 |
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| Kabouik | Both times | 22:18 |
| Kabouik | Trying again though | 22:18 |
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| Milo- | zypper dup done.. let's see if it boots properly this time around... | 22:19 |
| vgrade | jabis: yes, new kernel will become necessary once jolla upgrade to newer systemd | 22:19 |
| Kabouik | About ~1 min here kimmoli_sailing_ | 22:19 |
| Wtf_ | Ok, I think I give up. Thank you Teme and others for trying to help me. Factory reset tomorrow. At least I get rid of Google once and for all. | 22:19 |
| Kabouik | And still 1.3.0.8 | 22:20 |
| mornfall | so with a new kernel, will we get CRIU on the phone? :-) | 22:20 |
| Milo- | ssh is open, version says 1.0.4.20, but device is still stuck at jolla screen | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | what is CRIU ? | 22:21 |
| jabis | vgrade: too bad I'm not that badass a kernel-hacker, can't contribute much to that end :) | 22:21 |
| clau | bug: changing between main camera in front camera freezes camera app | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRIU ? | 22:21 |
| clau | can anyone else test it please? | 22:21 |
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| stephg | clau, trying | 22:21 |
| clau | well, crap. I think the entire UI is done. | 22:22 |
| vgrade | jabis: me neither, there was some work going on I think | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK | mord: looks interesting & would be nice for mobile application usage :) | 22:22 |
| stephg | clau, works for me | 22:22 |
| Xiph | yes, I got the update right now | 22:22 |
| clau | ok, eventually camera app was closed. | 22:22 |
| clau | let me try again | 22:22 |
| clau | stephg, I was playing with the menu before. | 22:22 |
| jabis | clau: both of my cammies work switching back and forth | 22:23 |
| clau | yep, it worked now. | 22:23 |
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| Kabouik | Where is the upgrade stored during download? I tried install 3 times, still on 1.3.0.8, but available space on the device have decreased. Maybe I should free some space | 22:24 |
| jabis | vgrade: did you finish the patch on lipstick for the swipe corrections? | 22:24 |
| clau | not sure what I've done before, but now it works fine. | 22:24 |
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| Turski | coderus: now i found the document i was looking for when commenting about MK version number: https://harbour.jolla.com/faq#2.17.0 | 22:25 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | Kabouik hmm it should take time in that Sailfish screen, 5mins. but sofar 2nd install has been success | 22:25 |
| vgrade | jabis: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1417022&postcount=1668 | 22:26 |
| Kabouik | No luck here kimmoli_sailing_ | 22:26 |
| jabis | vgrade: cool - thanks a lot :) | 22:26 |
| Turski | coderus: and also common versioning convention is that version is incremented if code is changed and release is incremented when it's repackaged :P | 22:26 |
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| jayki | hmmmm... after updating i get "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?) " when i do pkcon refresh.... | 22:27 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | .höh. so Kabouik dont do anything else, just reload from system info? | 22:27 |
| Milo- | yep.. the upgrade bricked me device.. :/ | 22:27 |
| sardi | is gnutls updated ? | 22:27 |
| Turski | coderus: i'm not forcing you to do that, but i'm just telling that your versioning scheme is a bit weird | 22:27 |
| pdanek | mer-tools can stay enabled before update? | 22:27 |
| Milo- | guess I need to backup ~/ and do factory reset. | 22:28 |
| Kabouik | The whole update process runs kimmoli_sailing_, with the "Jolla" screen and everything, then reboot and pin code screen, but in system info it's still 1.3.0.8 | 22:28 |
| Kabouik | Just did it again | 22:28 |
| Kabouik | Reminds me that Store refused tu update an app the other day, Hunger Meter if I recall correctly. I'm sure it's related. | 22:29 |
| Aard | Kabouik: ssu domain | 22:29 |
| mornfall | application backgrounds are mis-scaled ... | 22:30 |
| Kabouik | Device domain is currently: sales | 22:30 |
| Aard | ok, so it's not that :) | 22:30 |
| Kabouik | I did not tick the Beta updates :p | 22:30 |
| kimmoli | your repos point to 1.0.4.20 ? | 22:30 |
| Acce | Stskeeps: not sure if it got confirmed already, but the update works with openrepos-NielDK enabled, at least worked for me | 22:31 |
| kimmoli | shouldnt they point to 1.0.3.8 still? | 22:31 |
| mornfall | hmm, but only with custom ambiences... | 22:31 |
| pdanek | mer-tools can stay enabled before update? :O | 22:31 |
| Kabouik | I think so, I have the notification for 1.0.4.20 and during download, I can see the description of this exact version | 22:31 |
| Kabouik | But the previous days, I did have the notification for 1.0.3.8 | 22:32 |
| sledges | Acce: because it's empty now | 22:32 |
| mornfall | heh, it un-broke when I flipped ambiences back and forth | 22:32 |
| kimmoli | Kabouik: maybe you should do some refresh? | 22:33 |
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| Kabouik | pkcon refresh? | 22:33 |
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| kimmoli | or ssu ur ? | 22:34 |
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| Kabouik | And then try update again? Let's go | 22:34 |
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| phaeron | Acce: niel removed the offending packages | 22:34 |
| phaeron | Acce: Stskeeps contacted him | 22:35 |
| sledges | saved the day :) | 22:35 |
| DeeGee_ | Should there be any reason restoring backup would get stuck on Notes? Icons for Accounts, Browser, Gallery, Playlist and Messaging went green, but Notes, People and Phone are stuck on white. | 22:36 |
| kimmoli | someone cont with Kabouik if still power - i will sleep now.. gn | 22:36 |
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| Kabouik | Good night kimmoli, thanks for your help | 22:36 |
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| mornfall | hmm, I like the update so far :-) | 22:36 |
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| mornfall | communi is suffering from some visual glitches | 22:38 |
| Xiph | yay, "It's working, IT'S WORKING!" :) | 22:38 |
| Kabouik | Still 1.0.3.8 after ssu ur prior to update process | 22:38 |
| Kabouik | Update process only takes about 30 sec | 22:38 |
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| jabis | boo - my N9ners battery seems to be dying | 22:43 |
| jayki | after updating i get "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?) " when i do pkcon refresh.... does anyone have an idea whats happening here? | 22:43 |
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| Milo- | nooooooo! picked up the phone after reseting to factory defaults and my palm made me select this uncomprehendable language.. swedish.. As a person who is finnish, this insults me. | 22:43 |
| stephg | lol | 22:44 |
| stephg | right | 22:44 |
| stephg | bed time | 22:44 |
| Kabouik | D: | 22:44 |
| stephg | goodnight folks, happy updating, see you in the morning | 22:44 |
| Kabouik | Happy updating :'( | 22:44 |
| Kabouik | He's trollin'! | 22:44 |
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| jabis | jayki: maybe try to recreate your Jolla account | 22:45 |
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| jabis | Kabouik: so issuing ssu re 1.0.4.20 and then version --dup and as soon as done manually restart | 22:47 |
| Kabouik | would "ssu re 1.0.4.20; version --dup; reboot" work? | 22:47 |
| sledges | sorry Kabouik , he didn't mean your case :/ | 22:47 |
| Kabouik | :'( | 22:47 |
| Kabouik | They're all trollin' | 22:48 |
| Kabouik | ! | 22:48 |
| sledges | I mean steph didn't ;) | 22:48 |
| sledges | we're here to help | 22:48 |
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| jabis | Kabouik: I run the ssu update and version --dup as user then devel-su and rebooted | 22:48 |
| jabis | ssu re - I mean ^^ | 22:48 |
| jabis | not update :D | 22:48 |
| Kabouik | Trying that | 22:49 |
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| Kabouik | Hum, errors, pastebin incoming | 22:49 |
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| Kabouik | http://pastebin.com/8URPNZim | 22:50 |
| jabis | perhaps "ssu re 1.0.4.20 && version --dup" without the quotes | 22:50 |
| sledges | Kabouik: you need internet connection | 22:50 |
| Kabouik | I have | 22:50 |
| sledges | ping jolla.com | 22:50 |
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| jabis | I'd suggest the Fatal error: Not enough space. Need 733.00 MiB, have 636.00 MiB. | 22:51 |
| jabis | would be the first biggie | 22:51 |
| sledges | that too yes | 22:51 |
| Kabouik | Yes, but I had more before downloading the update | 22:51 |
| Kabouik | I mentioned that earlier because I suspected the update to be downloaded several times (free space have decreased with attempts) | 22:52 |
| sledges | Kabouik: pastebin: | 22:52 |
| Kabouik | But don't know where it is stored, to check | 22:52 |
| sledges | df -h | 22:52 |
| Kabouik | df -h | 22:53 |
| Kabouik | Oups -_- | 22:53 |
| Milo- | 1.0.0.5. it's not gone well, mate. | 22:53 |
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| sledges | Milo-: 1.0.0.5 needs to go up to 1.0.2.5 first | 22:53 |
| Milo- | yep. and that needs to go to 1.0.3.8... | 22:54 |
| sledges | nope iirc | 22:54 |
| AL13N | is it possible to disable sms option for landline calls? | 22:54 |
| thargor | Kabouik: Fatal error: Not enough space. Need 733.00 MiB, have 636.00 MiB. | 22:54 |
| thargor | yes | 22:54 |
| Kabouik | Yes thargor, trying to figure out how to free some space | 22:54 |
| thargor | jabis sorry didn't see it | 22:54 |
| thargor | delete some stuff ;-) | 22:55 |
| sledges | thargor: 00:51 < Kabouik> Yes, but I had more before downloading the update | 22:55 |
| Kabouik | I don't know how I filled / | 22:55 |
| AL13N | Kabouik: i'm guessing backups and/or recovery snapshots | 22:55 |
| GsC_RuL3Z | do you know if is possible to use btrfs formatted sdcard with the last update? | 22:55 |
| sledges | Milo-: 1.0.2.5 straight to 1.0.4.20 | 22:55 |
| Kabouik | I may have one backup AL13N, good point. Let's check it out | 22:55 |
| AL13N | GsC_RuL3Z: i donno, i have formatted my sdcard with btrfs manually | 22:56 |
| AL13N | (ondevice) | 22:56 |
| Milo- | AL13N https://together.jolla.com/question/11095/enable-a-way-to-disable-sms-capability-for-phone-number/ this? | 22:56 |
| GsC_RuL3Z | AL13N, me too | 22:56 |
| sledges | AL13N: o/ | 22:56 |
| AL13N | Milo-: looks like it | 22:56 |
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| AL13N | sledges: yo | 22:56 |
| AL13N | sledges: all is well? | 22:56 |
| sledges | as well as it is ;) | 22:56 |
| sledges | how's you? | 22:56 |
| thargor | with du -sh you'll see the size of the folders (and subfolders) could help in finding big files | 22:57 |
| Kabouik | Does df -h needs some command to refresh? I just deleted a backup, but it still shows only 636 MB free | 22:57 |
| sledges | Kabouik: sync | 22:57 |
| sledges | but should not be needed | 22:57 |
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| Kabouik | Still the same | 22:57 |
| Kabouik | I did delete a backup though, weird | 22:58 |
| thargor | how did you delete the backup? | 22:58 |
| Milo- | AL13N there is no real answer to the question in there, but I want you to read it anyways. in case it educates you.. | 22:58 |
| AL13N | i've read it | 22:58 |
| sledges | Kabouik: cd to directory of big files, then do `du -s * | sort -k1n` | 22:58 |
| AL13N | sledges: i'm ok-ish | 22:58 |
| GsC_RuL3Z | AL13N, automount works for you with btrfs? | 22:58 |
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| AL13N | GsC_RuL3Z: i have no idea | 22:58 |
| sledges | GsC_RuL3Z: one way to find out ;) | 22:59 |
| AL13N | though i probably own't be using that | 22:59 |
| AL13N | *won't | 22:59 |
| AL13N | i'm gonna move my build chroot over to my SD | 22:59 |
| AL13N | and also some backup related stuff | 22:59 |
| AL13N | btrfs snapshots and the like | 22:59 |
| crazy_imp | did someone already used the NFC chip for something else beside TOHs? (asking in hope that this isn't really true https://together.jolla.com/question/32770/android-apps-and-nfc/#post-id-32772 ....) | 22:59 |
| Kabouik | [nemo@localhost ~]$ du -sh -> du: `./.local/share/system/privileged': Permission denied -> 4.3G . | 22:59 |
| sledges | Kabouik: there's always devel-su | 23:00 |
| AL13N | good thing you're mentioning that, i'll need to disable the automount, or use different subvolumes for that | 23:00 |
| Kabouik | Can I run the command you recommended in there sledges? | 23:00 |
| thargor | yes | 23:00 |
| Kabouik | Yes I did that just after the copy/paste sledges | 23:00 |
| sledges | Kabouik: `cd ~/.local; du -s * | sort -k1n` | 23:00 |
| AL13N | sounds like you need "btrfs subvolume list /" | 23:01 |
| AL13N | this reminds me... newer btrfs actually has in the subvolume list a way to tell how much space would actually be freed if that particular subvolume/snapshot would be deleted | 23:02 |
| Kabouik | http://tny.cz/9f25ab93 | 23:02 |
| Turski | Kabouik: your btrfs might need balancing... | 23:02 |
| sledges | Kabouik: `cd /home/nemo/.local; du -s * | sort -k1n` | 23:02 |
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| AL13N | Turski: you mean defrag or scrub? balancing is only for stripe/RAID level multi-device stuff, iinm | 23:03 |
| Kabouik | http://tny.cz/3909abdd | 23:03 |
| Kabouik | Share seems large :o | 23:03 |
| AL13N | is that 45MB? | 23:03 |
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| sledges | yes, it ignores hidden files | 23:04 |
| * sledges opens up notebook | 23:04 | |
| Milo- | 1.0.0.5 -> 1.0.2.5 booting up after upgrade. | 23:04 |
| Turski | AL13N: oh, looks like you're correct | 23:04 |
| Milo- | success! | 23:04 |
| AL13N | in any case, my update went well, as all updates i had | 23:04 |
| Kabouik | I am the last one. :> | 23:04 |
| AL13N | Kabouik: sounds like you need "btrfs subvolume list /" | 23:05 |
| Turski | AL13N: actually i'm not so sure... | 23:05 |
| AL13N | i'm betting there's dated recovery snapshots in there | 23:05 |
| AL13N | (and possibly a few backups) | 23:05 |
| Kabouik | No idea what the output means AL13N, http://tny.cz/f7684371 | 23:05 |
| jabis | I would force-refresh the zypper cache as well | 23:05 |
| AL13N | damn, i lose | 23:05 |
| Turski | https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#if_your_device_is_small | 23:06 |
| AL13N | Kabouik: no problems there | 23:06 |
| Turski | or maybe that's just outdated info | 23:06 |
| cvp | hmm.... TOH want not connecting to the phone after factory reset + update | 23:06 |
| jabis | if it borked while the "real" update a few times, then I would not count on anything pkcon nor zypper do without a fresh set of packages | 23:06 |
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| pdanek | wow, internet sharing automatically took the settings from my thethering app | 23:07 |
| pdanek | does it work better than tethering app btw? | 23:07 |
| Turski | pdanek: they both use connman | 23:07 |
| thargor | try: du -sh /* 2>1 | sort -k1n | 23:07 |
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| sledges | Kabouik: this command will take ages ^ | 23:08 |
| thargor | not really | 23:08 |
| sledges | thargor: he has 4.2G in his home | 23:08 |
| Kabouik | Computing thargor sledges :) | 23:08 |
| thargor | in my case it took seconds | 23:08 |
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| Kabouik | http://tny.cz/96051076 | 23:08 |
| Xiph | nn | 23:08 |
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| sledges | ok , and now without -sh (-s instead ;) | 23:09 |
| AL13N | for me this would take hours | 23:09 |
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| AL13N | (since i have NFS mounts) | 23:09 |
| thargor | i think /data is the problem | 23:09 |
| Kabouik | 1.1 GB in /usr, is that normal? | 23:09 |
| sledges | AL13N: thargor must be btrfs magic | 23:09 |
| sledges | Kabouik: yes | 23:09 |
| thargor | AL13N with NFS mounts you could have a problem | 23:09 |
| AL13N | :-) | 23:09 |
| AL13N | thargor: it's from a 9TB storage | 23:10 |
| AL13N | so, that command could take a while | 23:10 |
| thargor | depends on the fs and storage type :-D | 23:10 |
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| AL13N | QNAP RAID5 ARM 4x3TB disks | 23:10 |
| AL13N | so, it might take a while | 23:10 |
| sledges | 41G /run | 23:10 |
| sledges | ??? | 23:10 |
| Kabouik | http://tny.cz/3124a909 sledges with -s :p | 23:11 |
| AL13N | /run is tmpfs, right? | 23:11 |
| sledges | yes | 23:11 |
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| Kabouik | So, /data and /run seem to be quite large | 23:11 |
| thargor | and /data 6.1G | 23:11 |
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| jabis | my /run is 23M | 23:11 |
| AL13N | ok, so 6GB /data and 4GB /home | 23:11 |
| sledges | thargor: was right about /data | 23:11 |
| AL13N | that's clearly it | 23:12 |
| sledges | Kabouik: which partition has ~650MB free? | 23:12 |
| sledges | (df -h ) | 23:12 |
| Kabouik | rootfs sledges | 23:12 |
| cvp | TOH is not working.... any a idea ? | 23:12 |
| AL13N | sledges: / and /home are subvol of same device | 23:12 |
| AL13N | sledges: so, both | 23:12 |
| sledges | another btrfs magic ;D | 23:12 |
| sledges | cd /data; du -s * | sort -k1n | 23:12 |
| Kabouik | http://tny.cz/1b12da47 | 23:13 |
| sledges | Kabouik: got sd card? | 23:13 |
| sledges | in? | 23:13 |
| Kabouik | Yes, 64 GB | 23:13 |
| Kabouik | It's filled with media files | 23:14 |
| AL13N | ah, my /data is 228KB | 23:14 |
| sledges | Kabouik: pls paste `df -h` | 23:14 |
| Kabouik | http://tny.cz/c7c2202d | 23:14 |
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| Kabouik | sdcard is separate | 23:14 |
| AL13N | and /home 700MB and /usr 700MB and /chroot 2GB | 23:15 |
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| AL13N | gtg, have fun, need to do chorse | 23:15 |
| AL13N | *chores | 23:15 |
| Kabouik | See you AL13N | 23:16 |
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| AL13N | btw: i read something in the release notes about enableing keyboard layouts from installed layouts... anyone an idea how i could install belgian keyboard? | 23:16 |
| Milo- | black screen.. will it wake up this time.. or is it dead. | 23:16 |
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| pdanek1 | can't uninstall tutorial! :D | 23:17 |
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| sledges | Kabouik: `ls -ld /data/sdcard` | 23:18 |
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| Kabouik | drwxrwsr-x 1 root sdcard_rw 202 Jan 12 02:56 /data/sdcard | 23:19 |
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| sledges | Kabouik: `df -h /data/sdcard/` | 23:19 |
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| Kabouik | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 23:19 |
| Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p28 14G 13G 636M 96% / | 23:19 |
| Kabouik | Hum. | 23:19 |
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| sledges | df -h /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ | 23:19 |
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| Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk1p1 59G 42G 15G 74% /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 23:20 |
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| sledges | that's your trouble | 23:20 |
| Kabouik | So you have a fix! Tell me you have. Yes you have! | 23:20 |
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| sledges | /data/sdcard is full of stuff which is actually not your physical sd card | 23:20 |
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| sledges | you can check it's contents | 23:20 |
| sledges | and carefully merge to the real sd card | 23:20 |
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| sledges | (don't paste them in case they are your pvt thingies ;P ) | 23:20 |
| Kabouik | I only see Android related stuff | 23:20 |
| sledges | you can see who's biggest offender | 23:21 |
| sledges | du -s /data/sdcard/* | sort -k1n | 23:21 |
| Kabouik | Sygic :o | 23:21 |
| sledges | :D | 23:21 |
| sledges | right | 23:21 |
| sledges | ok | 23:21 |
| sledges | you used lots of apps | 23:21 |
| sledges | android apps | 23:21 |
| Eztran | Mystery very solved. | 23:21 |
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| sledges | and they are not aware of your physical sd card | 23:21 |
| HtheB | guys, what is | 23:21 |
| Kabouik | I actually barely use them, but Sygic might be a problem | 23:21 |
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| sledges | yep | 23:21 |
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| HtheB | guys, what is "non-business" mobile data? | 23:22 |
| sledges | it caches like hell :) | 23:22 |
| Kabouik | Yes but still it isn't free :D | 23:22 |
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| Kabouik | So, all that trouble because Alien doesn't know I have a physical sdcard? | 23:22 |
| sledges | yes | 23:22 |
| HtheB | Kabouik: you can symlink? :) | 23:22 |
| raa70 | #justandroidthings ? | 23:23 |
| Kabouik | HtheB, not really. :< | 23:23 |
| HtheB | to /data/sdcard/external_sd | 23:23 |
| HtheB | i thought it could? | 23:23 |
| HtheB | better ask schturman | 23:23 |
| Kabouik | No I mean I'm not experienced enough to do it on my own | 23:23 |
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| HtheB | ^ | 23:23 |
| HtheB | he made an simple app to symlink nemo to android | 23:24 |
| Kabouik | I'm sure this has been discussed on TMO somewhere, but is it doable in my case? (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1408075&postcount=4) | 23:24 |
| HtheB | so it could be done vise versa | 23:24 |
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| HtheB | Kabouik: what is the problem exactly? | 23:24 |
| HtheB | and by the way, guys... I want to know what "non-business" means at Mobile Data | 23:24 |
| Kabouik | You mean in the tmo url, or here in the IRC discussion? | 23:24 |
| HtheB | discussion here on irc :P | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | Can't update: every attempt results in... 1.0.3.8 | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | And turns out I miss some space on /, might be related | 23:25 |
| HtheB | openrepos disabled? | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | Yes | 23:25 |
| thargor | sorry I've to go too | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | Thanks for your valuable help thargor! | 23:26 |
| thargor | gn8 | 23:26 |
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| HtheB | i updated just fine | 23:26 |
| HtheB | first it booted quite fast | 23:26 |
| HtheB | i was like: what? so fast!? | 23:26 |
| jabis | that is related - the "sdcard" now is mounted to your / instead of the real sdcard, utilizing its space | 23:26 |
| HtheB | but it wasnt updated, after the reboot, tried it again, it worked then fine | 23:26 |
| jabis | so your whole home, swap and rootfs take the hit | 23:27 |
| HtheB | jabis: might have a point | 23:27 |
| Kabouik | So the mounting procedure described in the TMO link is the source of the issue jabis? | 23:27 |
| HtheB | by the way, I found the first bug i guess on the newest firmware :) | 23:27 |
| sledges | yes | 23:28 |
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| Kabouik | This was the only way to get 64 GB to automount at that time, perhaps there's a better way now? | 23:28 |
| jabis | well yes at it is actually mounting the /dev/mmcblk0p28 instead of the sdcard | 23:28 |
| jabis | and that's the whole shared space | 23:28 |
| Kabouik | So I guess I should edit that mount-sd.sh file? | 23:28 |
| jabis | first you'd need to copy the android-files and whatnot over to your real sdcard, and then change the mounting process to the correct device | 23:29 |
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| Mordae | Hi, just dropping by to say thanks for the update! | 23:30 |
| Kabouik | Tring to do the first part jabis, copying files to the real sdcard | 23:31 |
| jabis | Kabouik: and in this case I'd actually mean _moving_ the files as your rootfs is full :) | 23:31 |
| sledges | jabis: i don't think you are correct, it won't fix the Kabouik's issue | 23:31 |
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| jabis | sledges: well, full rootfs with under 600MB full makes it impossible to get the files | 23:31 |
| sledges | /data/sdcard is android's thing, and android is not aware of physical sd card presence, with or without TMO tweak | 23:32 |
| jabis | for the update | 23:32 |
| sledges | jabis: ultimately, that will work. im talking about the TMO bit | 23:32 |
| sledges | we need one more tweak ;) | 23:32 |
| Kabouik | I'm ok with using the Schturman's app to create the symlink, just don't know if its compatible with my "special" mount-sd.sh | 23:32 |
| sledges | Kabouik: it is fine | 23:33 |
| sledges | symlink ftw | 23:33 |
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| jabis | I was only considering the update process, and the space usage on the wrong mount point ^^ | 23:33 |
| sledges | but first, as jabis just suggested, mv | 23:33 |
| HtheB | sledges: just a quick question | 23:33 |
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| HtheB | do you have any idea what NON-BUSINESS means? | 23:33 |
| Kabouik | Shoud I mv /data/sdcard, or /data/sdcard/*? | 23:33 |
| HtheB | it's located on mobile data | 23:33 |
| sledges | Kabouik: keep it separated | 23:34 |
| sledges | Kabouik: i suggest | 23:34 |
| Kabouik | I want the Android apps to find their files after the mv and the symlink to real sdcard | 23:34 |
| sledges | `mkdir /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd; mv /data/sdcard/* /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd` | 23:34 |
| sledges | so it doesn't get wonky | 23:34 |
| Kabouik | Perfect, running | 23:35 |
| sledges | 01:26 < jabis> that is related - the "sdcard" now is mounted to your / instead of the real sdcard, utilizing its space | 23:35 |
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| sledges | not related to TMO tweak though, it's like that on a vanilla device too | 23:35 |
| sledges | HtheB: where? | 23:36 |
| HtheB | phone settings > mobile data | 23:36 |
| HtheB | settings > system > mobile network to be precicely :P | 23:36 |
| sledges | non-business use, can't see there | 23:37 |
| HtheB | I have a toggle, saying "non-business" | 23:37 |
| HtheB | I can enable or disable it | 23:37 |
| HtheB | there is no explanation what it means O_o | 23:38 |
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| sledges | anyone else sees that? | 23:40 |
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| GsC_RuL3Z | there's not non-business for me | 23:42 |
| Kabouik | This mv takes ages :o | 23:42 |
| sledges | Kabouik: sygic ;) (hence the name *g* ) | 23:42 |
| louisdk | Now on 1.4.20. As far as I can see LTE is not enabled yet. | 23:42 |
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| sledges | Kabouik: when it's done, type sync and wait longer | 23:42 |
| nander | Hi | 23:42 |
| nander | Is it possible to not have the background fade this much? | 23:43 |
| sledges | helo | 23:43 |
| Kabouik | sledges, you just killed me. | 23:43 |
| nander | It's black below my launchers | 23:43 |
| Kabouik | My Jolla is already a lot of pain, and then you come in my back and stab me. I hate you. | 23:43 |
| sledges | Kabouik: not longer than now, "a bit longer" ;) | 23:43 |
| Kabouik | Ah. :] | 23:43 |
| Kabouik | I hate you anyway, 'cause I'm mean, you know. | 23:44 |
| sledges | that's great to know :D | 23:44 |
| Kabouik | :') | 23:44 |
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| Kabouik | Done! :O | 23:44 |
| Kabouik | Now let's try to find that Schturman's app | 23:44 |
| sledges | Kabouik: no need | 23:44 |
| sledges | and it might not work | 23:44 |
| sledges | cmd line for the win :) | 23:44 |
| Kabouik | :O | 23:45 |
| Kabouik | If you have some time to show me, of course let's go! | 23:45 |
| nander | Also, if you put the phone in landscape lock, photos taken with the front facing camera are upside down xD | 23:45 |
| jabis | hmm - apparently the update reset my powerstate hack as well, timed daemons borked | 23:45 |
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| sledges | Kabouik: `cd /data; rmdir sdcard && ln -s /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd sdcard` | 23:46 |
| sledges | first stab ;) | 23:46 |
| HtheB | sledges: www.imgur.com/oAflsn8 | 23:47 |
| Kabouik | rmdir -> sdcard directory not empty | 23:47 |
| Kabouik | Should I -f? | 23:47 |
| HtheB | errr... I mean www.imgur.com/oAfsln8 | 23:47 |
| sledges | Kabouik: nope | 23:47 |
| Kabouik | No idea why it did not move everything | 23:47 |
| sledges | Kabouik: hidden files | 23:47 |
| sledges | Kabouik: ls -la /data/sdcard/ | 23:47 |
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| Kabouik | Right, a .folder and a .file | 23:48 |
| HtheB | facepalm, sorry right link: http://imgur.com/oAfIsn8 | 23:48 |
| Kabouik | total 4 | 23:48 |
| Kabouik | drwxrwsr-x 1 root sdcard_rw 38 Mar 18 00:42 . | 23:48 |
| Kabouik | drwxrwx--x 1 system system 454 Mar 13 21:00 .. | 23:48 |
| Kabouik | -rw-rw-r-- 1 10055 sdcard_rw 33 Jan 5 11:30 .bugsense | 23:48 |
| Kabouik | drwxrwsr-x 1 10046 sdcard_rw 68 Jan 12 02:56 .goproduct | 23:48 |
| sledges | HtheB: it's your mobile data APN name | 23:48 |
| Kabouik | Sorry, should have pastbined it | 23:48 |
| sledges | long press - edit - enjoy | 23:48 |
| HtheB | sledges: stupid name | 23:48 |
| sledges | HtheB: SIM card operator ID detection? | 23:49 |
| sledges | (from the past more likely) | 23:49 |
| HtheB | the APN name couldn't be, but yeah now that I think of it | 23:49 |
| HtheB | Vodafone here in the Netherlands has 2 different APN's | 23:49 |
| HtheB | one is for tablets, one for phones | 23:49 |
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| HtheB | But, I really dont know. What does it say on your phone? | 23:50 |
| sledges | HtheB: Internet | 23:50 |
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| HtheB | rofl | 23:50 |
| nander | Damm, I really dislike the new fade to black of the ambience | 23:50 |
| nander | Is it possible to turn that off? | 23:50 |
| nander | It was bad already at 1.0.3.8, but now it's even worse | 23:50 |
| HtheB | i really like the new keyboard :) | 23:50 |
| sledges | HtheB: on Vodafone subcontractor UK; Mobile Broadband on O2 - UK | 23:51 |
| HtheB | :D | 23:51 |
| sledges | Kabouik: ls -l /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd/ | 23:51 |
| sledges | cross check | 23:51 |
| HtheB | at least now I know its just some string, and nothing more | 23:51 |
| sledges | HtheB: and is that string checked anywere? i know APN server name is important, but probably you can just rename | 23:52 |
| sledges | the Name | 23:52 |
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| HtheB | the apn name of vodafone NL is live.vodafone.com | 23:52 |
| Kabouik | Only hidden files are in /data/sdcard and not in real sdcard sledges, but don't know how to move them | 23:52 |
| vgrade | HtheB: new vkb is best part for me | 23:53 |
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| vgrade | HtheB: saves me getting some new glasses | 23:53 |
| sledges | HtheB: s/APN name/Connection name ; s/APN server name/Access point name/ to call good names ;) | 23:53 |
| HtheB | too bad i still cant use my pebble (yet?) :( no bluetooth support for android | 23:53 |
| HtheB | vgrade: indeed | 23:53 |
| sledges | Kabouik: i was asking about ownership and permissions | 23:53 |
| Kabouik | In sftp, I get a permission denial when trying to move files to /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd | 23:53 |
| HtheB | sledges: :D hehee | 23:54 |
| sledges | Kabouik: since you're not root | 23:54 |
| sledges | on sftp | 23:54 |
| Kabouik | Still, I was able to move all my media stuff someday | 23:54 |
| Kabouik | Don't remember how | 23:54 |
| sledges | Kabouik: media is not rooty | 23:54 |
| jabis | I'd guess with the ambiences, you could try to fiddle in the folder /usr/share/ambience/ tho I'd suggest not doing anything stupid there x) | 23:54 |
| sledges | Kabouik: what are the owners and permissions under /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd/* ? | 23:55 |
| Kabouik | But hidden files I just downloaded locally on my computer, and then trying to move them to real sd card? nemo should have access to /run/user/blabla/sdcard, right? | 23:55 |
| sledges | Kabouik: wait, i will give you a one liner to move those files | 23:55 |
| sledges | just wanted to check what's on current physical sdcard subfolder | 23:55 |
| Kabouik | http://tny.cz/5ff58e1d | 23:55 |
| sledges | perrrfect | 23:55 |
| sledges | (me hugs linux file systems) | 23:56 |
| Kabouik | :] | 23:56 |
| HtheB | great to see sailfish is running Nintendo DS games on 60fps | 23:56 |
| sledges | Kabouik: `mv /data/sdcard/.bugsense /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd && mv /data/sdcard/.goproduct /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/android_sd` | 23:57 |
| HtheB | guys, where can I disable that annoying unlock sound? | 23:58 |
| HtheB | I mean, which directory is it | 23:58 |
| Kabouik | Done sledges | 23:59 |
| jabis | nander: if you want to be an adventurer, it seems like the .ambience files have hex+alpha in them, for example /usr/share/ambience/moonship/moonship.ambience looks #FFFFFF99 for secondary color where the first six represent the actual color and last two the tint/opacity | 23:59 |
| HtheB | because I dont want to disable "low battery" sound notification | 23:59 |
| sledges | proceed with earlier instructions Kabouik ;) | 23:59 |
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