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| Morpog | thanks for the ambience coderus | 08:47 |
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| Quu | ambience? :) | 08:48 |
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| Morpog | <coderus> Morpog_: flanag: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/ambience-sailfish-0.0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | out of morbid curiousity, any of you interested in sailfish on a smartwatch factor? | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | as in, beyond bluetooth connected displays | 08:52 |
| Quu | i would probably yes maybe | 08:52 |
| Morpog | I think the wholesmartwatch idea needs a few more years :D | 08:52 |
| Morpog | they are ugly, fat and eat battery too fast | 08:52 |
| Quu | and bit too expensive for my wallet | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | sure? http://www.pearl.de/a-PX1790-4073.shtml - 200 EUR | 08:53 |
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| Morpog | hmm, my 3 points still seem to be valid :) | 08:58 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine the watch would display app covers from the phone? | 08:58 |
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| Morpog | bad idea | 08:59 |
| Morpog | better idea is to put a full sailfishos on it | 08:59 |
| Acce | to a smartwatch? | 09:00 |
| Morpog | that watch is a full "smartphone" | 09:00 |
| Morpog | check Stskeeps link | 09:00 |
| ShadowJK | Considering how hard it seems to make apps work in both landscape and portrait, how hard will it be to add another shape and size :) | 09:00 |
| Morpog | it has full android on it | 09:00 |
| kimmoli | but that doesnt make it "usable" .. | 09:02 |
| Morpog | well, you'd need to adjust everything for sure | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | nice, they actually give quite a lot of source along | 09:04 |
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| kimmoli | (but i still wouldnt change my RW to that) | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.pearl.de/support/index.jsp?catid=4071 | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm starting to like this company | 09:12 |
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| Quu | do they sell gas ovens too? :p | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | ouch | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.pearl.de/support/product.jsp?pdid=PX1790&catid=4073 rather | 09:14 |
| Quu | neat, sources and all | 09:14 |
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| Quu | site is just bit slow to browse | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm.. gold edition: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX1800-4073.shtml | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:14 |
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| kimmoli | i have again to give +8 to sailfish/jolla. Just restored win to my friends HP. Now uninstalling all that s**t there is. I selected my language Finnish but some uninstall is Danish. | 09:19 |
| kimmoli | when we get sailfish on desktop | 09:19 |
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| Kiranos | biggest letdown of todays with smartwatch is the battery | 09:34 |
| Kiranos | you dont want to charge your phone every other day | 09:34 |
| Kiranos | and the real gain I see is for sports with gps/tracking etc | 09:34 |
| Kiranos | phone/watch | 09:35 |
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| gabriel9 | nice boost echo "performance" >/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor | 09:55 |
| gabriel9 | but eats battery | 09:55 |
| Morpog | not that much | 09:56 |
| gabriel9 | is there other options beside performance? | 09:58 |
| tbr | I highly suspect performance will be default in u4 anyway | 10:01 |
| Morpog | u4? | 10:02 |
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| Nightmare__ | update4 | 10:03 |
| Morpog | I don't think that they would sacrifice battery for a bit performance. | 10:04 |
| Morpog | They have some patches in upstream qt which should help with performance. I guess those are the ones delaying it.... | 10:04 |
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| Nightmare__ | stskeeps said something like those upstream qt patches will have a similar effect | 10:07 |
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| joonahoi_ | what performance will be buffed? | 10:07 |
| joonahoi_ | ui? | 10:07 |
| Nightmare__ | yes | 10:07 |
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| joonahoi_ | ok, cool. even though i'm happy with the current state as well. haven't been annoyed even once | 10:08 |
| Morpog | joonahoi_, apply the performance governor and u will feel the difference ;) | 10:09 |
| Nightmare__ | in a few days we'll hopefully know the real improvements of update4 :D | 10:09 |
| Morpog | Nightmare__, now imagine the upstream patches + performance governor :D | 10:10 |
| Nightmare__ | :) | 10:10 |
| joonahoi_ | ok, sounds good | 10:13 |
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| joonahoi_ | though i'm too fond of 3+d uptime without charge | 10:14 |
| Morpog | that patches shouldn't sacrifice battery, I guess they even save some battery | 10:14 |
| joonahoi_ | yeah | 10:15 |
| joonahoi_ | i was thinking about the performance setting | 10:15 |
| Morpog | ah ok, well, I just love it so much, that I think it's worth it :D | 10:15 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | 505 contacts found | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | 504 contacts imported | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | but where is the one that wasn't imported?! :D | 10:55 |
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| starkers | maybe yourself? | 10:58 |
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| ggabriel | let's see | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | no, me myself and i are there | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | it doesn't matter really :) | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | quite happy that auto linking works this time round | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | otoh, i'm struggling to import ~30 meagre contacts to a latest and greatest android with vcf files | 11:03 |
| starkers | I want to get Jolla hooked into owncloud :-) | 11:03 |
| Nightmare__ | maybe one of your ex's? :D your jolla is smart | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | Nightmare__: let's see | 11:03 |
| starkers | lol | 11:04 |
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| ggabriel | not even the n9 has them ;-) | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | maybe the name was replaced with "don't answer" | 11:05 |
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| Nightmare__ | :) | 11:06 |
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| elias_a | Anyone else (but me) testing Sailfish on N9? | 11:42 |
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| suosaaski | elias_a: I would be if I still had my N9... | 11:53 |
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| elias_a | suosaaski: Did you try to install different apps from store? | 11:54 |
| elias_a | suosaaski: I have managed to install a little this and that. | 11:55 |
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| elias_a | suosaaski: Maps app does not get installed. It just downloads for ever. Could it be related to the fact that n9 gps is not supported? | 11:56 |
| elias_a | Another puzzling thing is that I've heard Jolla shows info about apps in store whether they are native Jolla or Android. Sailfish on N9 does not show this. | 11:58 |
| Nicd- | elias_a: which version? | 11:58 |
| elias_a | Nicd-: Sailfish version? | 11:58 |
| elias_a | Nicd-: Or what do you mean? | 11:59 |
| Nicd- | yep | 11:59 |
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| elias_a | Nicd-: Is it possible to check from Sailfish UI? The installation docs are away from me now. | 12:03 |
| Nicd- | elias_a: yes, from the settings | 12:04 |
| Nicd- | settings -> system -> about product | 12:04 |
| elias_a | Nicd-: 1.0.2.5. (Maadajävri) | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | elias_a: maps are for jolla device only | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | so | 12:11 |
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| elias_a | Stskeeps: Ok. That explains it. Thanks! | 12:12 |
| elias_a | Overall Sailfish seems to work quite smoothly. Good work! | 12:13 |
| Nicd- | elias_a: the android/native separation is in 1.0.3.8 | 12:13 |
| elias_a | Nicd-: Ok. That has not been ported yet AFAIK. | 12:13 |
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| pdanek1 | http://www.phonedog.com/2014/03/15/it-feels-like-smartphones-are-at-a-standstill/ | 12:26 |
| pdanek1 | vs | 12:26 |
| pdanek1 | https://medium.com/people-gadgets/cc84b6e60942 | 12:26 |
| Nicd- | standstill before the alternative OS storm? :) | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | i stopped reading the first article when the comparison started with a rollercoaster | 12:29 |
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| GentSir | Morning all | 12:49 |
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| pdanek1 | How do I type special signs which are not in keyboard on Jolla? | 13:14 |
| pdanek1 | as I can't do alt+num combinations | 13:14 |
| pdanek1 | like "_" | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | pdanek1: that's in the symbols view of the vkbd | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | so, 123 key, then 1/2 key (that view has 2 "pages") | 13:16 |
| pdanek1 | ah | 13:17 |
| pdanek1 | 1/2 key | 13:17 |
| pdanek1 | I didn't know! | 13:17 |
| pdanek1 | thanks | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | np | 13:17 |
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| suosaaski | elias_a: I think you misunderstood my comment? | 13:31 |
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| elias_a | suosaaski: Umm - which one? | 13:35 |
| elias_a | suosaaski: There was a netsplit - not sure if I have seen it. | 13:36 |
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| elias_a | suosaaski: Let me guess: you would be experimenting Sailfish on N9 if you had it but as you got rid of your N9 before Sailfish was ported, you never did that? | 13:38 |
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| attah | Does anyone know when we might see another patch? :) | 14:27 |
| tbr | a patch for what? | 14:27 |
| leinir | by "patch", i'm guessing you mean the 1.0 release, which @JollaHQ promised early next week? :) | 14:28 |
| tbr | which they delayed from last week because they were not 100% happy with it yet | 14:28 |
| leinir | *nods* need to get it right :) | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: ping | 14:29 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: pong | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: could i ask for a random favour? photo of a geeksphone peak vs a human arm? | 14:30 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: whole arm or just a palm? | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | wrist | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | just pondering sizes | 14:31 |
| Venemo | ah, ok | 14:31 |
| Venemo | should I put a Jolla next to it? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | sure, why not | 14:31 |
| Venemo | ok, moment | 14:31 |
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| Morpog | geekphone revolution sounds like a nice sailfishos target too | 14:35 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: how about cutting piece of paper of size of the phone, that way you could see how it's big compared to your arm | 14:36 |
| Venemo | aww, it has an intel cpu | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: it's probably a bit embarassing but i can't find my ruler.. | 14:36 |
| Venemo | sorry, the N9 (with which I'm taking the photo) takes its time to boot up | 14:36 |
| leinir | hehe, yeah, that's one thing i'm thoroughly impressed with by the jolla... dat bootup speed ;) | 14:37 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: no ruler? what kind of engineer are you then? hint: there are rulers apps, but yeah it's not the same | 14:37 |
| GentSir | What's wrong with an Intel CPU Venemo? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: i'm not a engineer by profession :P | 14:37 |
| Venemo | GentSir: I didn't say there was anything wrong | 14:37 |
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| GentSir | What OS does the Geeksphone Revolution ship with? I don't see it listed on their website. | 14:41 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: one more moment, my wifi just died | 14:42 |
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| Morpog | GentSir, with Android, but has an option to flash Firefox OS over it | 14:45 |
| Morpog | out of the box from settings menu | 14:45 |
| Morpog | but no easy way back | 14:45 |
| GentSir | Morpog: Just found that in a review from MWC. Looks like it'll be easy to flash over OS's as well though. | 14:45 |
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| coderus | any Mitakuuluu users here? | 14:47 |
| Nightmare__ | coderus, yes? | 14:47 |
| Morpog | sure | 14:48 |
| coderus | what is the most critical bugs to fix? | 14:48 |
| Morpog | connection bugs | 14:48 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: http://venemo.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=3a4d8e588de30b5c6f0f59feff1f771d | 14:48 |
| Nightmare__ | +1 | 14:48 |
| Morpog | when it stays in app cover at authorization | 14:48 |
| coderus | Morpog: reconnection wifi -> 3G? | 14:48 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: http://venemo.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7b543a80950dd74f450d457489117959 | 14:48 |
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| Morpog | you enter the app and it connects again | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: hmm okay, bigger than i actually expected | 14:49 |
| Morpog | coderus, this and also happens after a while | 14:49 |
| coderus | i can check reconnection bug myself soon on my jolla | 14:49 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: it is roughly the same size as the jolla, slightly narrower but taller and a bit thicker | 14:50 |
| coderus | just switched to jolla as main phone | 14:50 |
| Morpog | hih? thought you got it already | 14:50 |
| Morpog | ah ok :) | 14:50 |
| Nightmare__ | i'm experiencing that bug aswell | 14:50 |
| coderus | need to buy microsd soon | 14:50 |
| Morpog | got a 32gb one with fat formated, no mounting problems that way | 14:50 |
| Venemo | coderus: you liking the jolla? :) | 14:50 |
| coderus | Morpog: yeah, inserted sim and setted up, imported important contacts :) | 14:51 |
| Nightmare__ | my wifi shuts down during night, mita disconencts, isn't using 3g and won't conenct in the mornding until i open the app | 14:51 |
| coderus | Venemo: sorry i didnt got what you mean :) | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: thanks | 14:51 |
| Venemo | coderus: I'm interested in whether or not you like the jolla so far | 14:51 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: you're always welcome :) | 14:52 |
| Venemo | the only thing I don't quite understand about geeksphone is how they manage to make their products so cheap | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | ODM relationship? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | they don't need a high markup | 14:53 |
| Morpog | must be am odm product used by different oem's | 14:53 |
| Morpog | an | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be surprised how much difference there is between production cost and sales markup | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | just like the 120 USD smartwatches getting sold in europe for 399 EUR.. | 14:53 |
| Venemo | heh | 14:53 |
| Venemo | but it's sad | 14:53 |
| coderus | Morpog: i thinking about 16gb. just $13 | 14:54 |
| coderus | Venemo: ah liking. i read ad "linking" :D | 14:54 |
| coderus | yeah, i like it | 14:54 |
| Morpog | coderus, just be careful not to get a fake one | 14:54 |
| coderus | amazing battery | 14:54 |
| Morpog | coderus, with nfc bug battery was very bad :D | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention my pet peeve of today; how many of the several-million USD kickstarter projects are really just shenzen HW designs with another casing around it.. | 14:55 |
| coderus | Morpog: ordering in city shop, not online :) | 14:55 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: true | 14:55 |
| Morpog | if i remember correctly venemo got a fake one | 14:55 |
| Venemo | yep | 14:55 |
| Venemo | it was a fake samsung 64GB one | 14:55 |
| Venemo | lesson: avoid SD cards with suspiciously low prices | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | i recall a couple of years ago being at CeBIT | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | at a stand for a company i no longer am involved with, there were free 256mb USB sticks.. | 14:56 |
| coderus | i wanna buy SanDisk UHS SDSDQUI-016G-U46 | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | turned out they were fraudelent and was only 64mb sticks in practice.. | 14:56 |
| coderus | http://chel.nix.ru/autocatalog/sd_cards_sandisk/176398_2254_draft_large.jpg | 14:56 |
| Venemo | after that I just got a Kingston 64GB one and it works flawlessly | 14:56 |
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| Venemo | note that you will need to format the 64GB to ext4 or btrfs | 14:57 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: hehhh, how ridiculous | 14:57 |
| coderus | its 16GB :) | 14:57 |
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| coderus | when using N9 64GB i always had 40GB free. Only filled with different oses :D | 14:58 |
| Venemo | well, I use the 64GB card for my >30GB music collection, mostly | 14:58 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: anyway, the Peak does not look as sleek as the jolla | 14:59 |
| coderus | well, i just preparing playlist every time i'm going to walk :) | 14:59 |
| Venemo | I got tired of deciding what music to put on my phone and what not, so decided to just have all of it :P | 14:59 |
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| pdanek1 | I bought 64G ADATA, formatted to btrfs, plugged to my rhel 6.4 workstation, tried to copy 5G file over gphoto2 (uses mtp) and every time, my OS freezes by the end of copying | 14:59 |
| pdanek1 | I guess it's a problem of RHEL with btrfs | 15:00 |
| pdanek1 | but copying of small files is fine | 15:00 |
| Venemo | pdanek1: does it unfreeze after the copy is done? | 15:00 |
| pdanek1 | Venemo: no, hard shutdown is needed | 15:00 |
| pdanek1 | or, poweroff | 15:00 |
| Nightmare__ | another "bug" in mitäkuuluu are timestamps, it's realy confusing when offline messages arrive mixed up after reconnect | 15:00 |
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| Venemo | pdanek1: I see a similar problem with Fedora, anytime I copy several gigabytes of data (regardless of filesystem) the system becomes extremely unresponsive, but it gets better after the copy is done | 15:01 |
| pdanek1 | I see | 15:01 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: thanks, need to check. with old protocol i couldnt manage to get real sent timestamp. need to check if it available at new protocol | 15:01 |
| coderus | Venemo: pdanek1: i'm just using mc to copy big files. it never freezing :) | 15:02 |
| Venemo | coderus: it happens if I use 'cp' same as when I use a GUI | 15:02 |
| coderus | Venemo: i see. just try with mc | 15:03 |
| Venemo | okay coderus, next time I'll try mc :P | 15:03 |
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| pdanek1 | Does MC have MTP support? | 15:03 |
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| Venemo | pdanek1: as long as you can mount the MTP somehow, I don't think mc cares | 15:03 |
| pdanek1 | It doesn't freeze when I plug that card directly via adapter and mount. | 15:04 |
| pdanek1 | Only when through phone / MTP. | 15:04 |
| Venemo | ahh | 15:04 |
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| Nightmare__ | how does the original app manage timestamps? in my childish mind i thought they send the messages with a timestamp included | 15:05 |
| coderus | pdanek1: no idea. i just mounting it and using as regular | 15:05 |
| Venemo | pdanek1: btw, how do you mount the MTP on RHEL? I haven't managed to mount it on Fedora at all | 15:06 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: we dont have full api :) | 15:06 |
| coderus | Venemo: something like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2055563 | 15:06 |
| Nightmare__ | could be a explanation :D | 15:07 |
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| pdanek1 | Venemo: it uses gvfs-mtp | 15:08 |
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| pdanek1 | in graphical it's called gphoto2 | 15:08 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: and new privacy features not investigated too | 15:08 |
| pdanek1 | automatically mounts when I choose PC connection | 15:08 |
| Venemo | ah, you need an udev rule? srsly, that's all? | 15:08 |
| coderus | mu kubuntu automount it too :) | 15:09 |
| coderus | as digital camera device :D | 15:09 |
| Venemo | fedora didn't | 15:09 |
| Nichope | coderus: hi! Do you have a notion of when is Mitakuuluu going to be stable enough in order for you to consider releasing it to the store? | 15:10 |
| Nichope | (I hope you don't hate me for that question :P) | 15:11 |
| coderus | Nichope: problem not in stability | 15:12 |
| pdanek1 | for me it's process called /usr/libexec/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor | 15:12 |
| coderus | Mitakuuluu using too much awesome sailfish features which Harbour not accepting | 15:12 |
| pdanek1 | which mounts it | 15:12 |
| suosaaski | elias_a: yes, porting it seemed to take forever and I got a really good price for it so I sold it. | 15:13 |
| coderus | and i dont want to make "light" version just for Harbour | 15:13 |
| Morpog | I guess it would bring legal problems too for store | 15:13 |
| Morpog | remember openwhatsapp on BB10 | 15:13 |
| coderus | Morpog: no problems for harbour | 15:13 |
| coderus | we're resolved all legal issues with github and whatsapp | 15:13 |
| coderus | dcma gone away | 15:14 |
| Morpog | cool | 15:14 |
| coderus | all repos was restored | 15:14 |
| Venemo | really? how did you do it? | 15:14 |
| pdanek1 | Does anyone work on Viber for Jolla atm? | 15:14 |
| coderus | counter-notice | 15:14 |
| coderus | by laws you cant license ot patent any apis | 15:14 |
| coderus | if apis becames available to public you cant use laws for taking down projects using it | 15:15 |
| coderus | just removes licensed stuff like images, whatsapp names and etc from projects | 15:15 |
| Venemo | nice | 15:15 |
| coderus | so now projects are "Whatsapp-compatible" :D | 15:16 |
| coderus | laws always have two sides :) | 15:16 |
| Nichope | oh, I understand. I guess that means that there is not a great possibility of finding it in the store soon. Or are some of those features being progressively accepted by Harbour? | 15:17 |
| Nichope | oh! the legal thing is really good news :) | 15:17 |
| Nightmare__ | suggestion: make a multimessenger for whatsapp, telegram, threema, textsecure, ... :D | 15:18 |
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| anonfriese | doesn't sailfish already use telepathy? why not just create protocol handlers for that? | 15:19 |
| Nightmare__ | even better | 15:19 |
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| Nichope | Nightmare__: wow, that would be awesome (abd quite messy, if not correctly ordered), but it seems like it would be difficult to put all of them together, as all have "unique" features | 15:21 |
| Nichope | *and | 15:21 |
| coderus | anonfriese: you cant use many protocol features in telepathy blinders | 15:22 |
| coderus | Nichope: its a different project and it should be taken by someone different :) | 15:22 |
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| Nichope | Understood. You already have enough with one project aimed to a mass of people avid to communicate with their Jolla :P | 15:26 |
| anonfriese | coderus: sure, that's why we have an app for every protocol right now, but the basic features like presence, messaging, groups etc. would be enough for me... | 15:26 |
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| anonfriese | right now im using xmpp with transports running on my server, works pretty okay too, and it does enough features for me... | 15:27 |
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| coderus | Nichope: my position is simple. I doing only applications i like and i use. | 15:27 |
| coderus | i never making something for someone :) | 15:28 |
| coderus | anonfriese: well, whatsapp-purple is here. you can try it with libpurple | 15:28 |
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| Nichope | ok, now I see that my message was wrongly expressed :P And I missed the main point | 15:29 |
| Nichope | Its true, coderus. In fact, one of the best things about most open-source and linux-related projects is the main developer/s actually being user/s, because that way the main features are the useful features, and not the visually-attracting useless ones. | 15:33 |
| Nichope | So now if we want you to make other chat apps we just have to convince you that you need them ;) (ok, we won't) | 15:35 |
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| coderus | you need someone who using phone all the time | 15:38 |
| coderus | to be truth i'm not using whatsapp for some months :D | 15:39 |
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| coderus | and i'm not using something other | 15:39 |
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| coderus | last months i used my N9 only for dialing and maps :) | 15:40 |
| elias_a | coderus: where do you live? | 15:41 |
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| coderus | russia | 15:41 |
| elias_a | Why would you use whatsapp / FB / Google etc. in general? | 15:42 |
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| coderus | to communicate with my beloved :) | 15:42 |
| elias_a | coderus: This is a provocative question, i admit. | 15:42 |
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| coderus | she is the only person i chatting on my phone :D | 15:43 |
| elias_a | But generally speaking the present status of US services is hardly acceptable :P | 15:43 |
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| coderus | elias_a: facebook i'm not using | 15:44 |
| coderus | i have a facebook page ofc., but i'm not using it | 15:44 |
| coderus | and i'm using google talk jabber on my pc | 15:45 |
| coderus | thats all | 15:45 |
| GentSir | coderus: Do you use OTR with jabber? Is secure communication needed in Russia? | 15:45 |
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| elias_a | coderus: Ok. | 15:46 |
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| coderus | GentSir: i'm not using it | 15:46 |
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| coderus | i never sending secure/private information over internet :) | 15:47 |
| GentSir | coderus: Well yes, the best rule to keep sensitive information secure is to never share it :) | 15:48 |
| coderus | i never send information where and when i want to explode bomb via any public services :D | 15:48 |
| coderus | and i dont think i need to use cryptography when chatting my friends :D | 15:48 |
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| coderus | i dont ever know why someone want to read my messages | 15:49 |
| coderus | i'm not paranoid 100% | 15:49 |
| GentSir | I'm an American, Obama is probably reading my text messages. It'd be nice to see Textsecure on Sailfish | 15:49 |
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| coderus | i'm not a politic/secure/public person | 15:50 |
| coderus | nobody want to read my messages | 15:50 |
| elias_a | coderus: IMHO that is not the point. | 15:50 |
| coderus | even if someone reading my messages, again, i'm not a politics/secure/public person. I have no information they can steal from me :D | 15:51 |
| elias_a | GentSir: Not your point, either. Reason: it is more interesting who is reading Obama's messages :D | 15:51 |
| coderus | yeah | 15:51 |
| Nichope | GentSir: Obama is not skilled enough to really care at this point for what all americans are doing every moment | 15:51 |
| coderus | thats i'm talking about | 15:51 |
| elias_a | coderus: Uuu - the old "I have nothing to hide" -argument :P | 15:52 |
| Nichope | and they don't have enough monkeys hired to do it as well | 15:52 |
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| GentSir | elias_a: Nichope: I was just joking. I'm more concerned with logs of everything being kept so they can dig out material for charges if they need to. | 15:52 |
| elias_a | GentSir: Exactly. | 15:53 |
| elias_a | GentSir: Seen from other parts of the world one big issue is what kind of economical role the spying has. | 15:54 |
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| elias_a | Given that there is proof that even military sigint has leaked info to companies. | 15:55 |
| Nichope | I was being completely serious ._. And now I'm not being sarcastic :P | 15:55 |
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| GentSir | elias_a: That's why I support the open source community making effortless solutions for encrypting messages. Textsecure has an awesome system for this, I'd love to see it ported to Sailfish. | 15:55 |
| elias_a | GentSir: o/ One more vote from here! | 15:55 |
| coderus | i bet all on Tox :) | 15:56 |
| GentSir | Might not be completely on topic in #jollamobile, but securing our communications is a great reason to use open source phones | 15:56 |
| Nichope | well, usually the information is easier to sell if it is statistical | 15:56 |
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| Nichope | btw, I also support the existence of the possibility to have encrypted (or at least private) chat communications. Even if it's just to add more options for users to choose | 15:59 |
| Nichope | ouf... that last message was not very well written :P | 16:00 |
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| CoderCandy | OMGOMGOMG | 16:32 |
| CoderCandy | Update early next week? | 16:32 |
| * CoderCandy is sooooooo happy happy happy | 16:32 | |
| CoderCandy | Anyone else happy? | 16:32 |
| Sidde | very unhappy. Why something new ;) | 16:32 |
| CoderCandy | Sidde, because crash bug will hopefully be fixed? | 16:33 |
| Yaniel | apparently btrfs sdcards should be automounted with that update :3 | 16:33 |
| CoderCandy | Oooh | 16:33 |
| * CoderCandy will format his 32 gig SD card then | 16:33 | |
| Sidde | it was better back then | 16:34 |
| Yaniel | and moved to another location | 16:34 |
| * CoderCandy don't know why he bought a 32gb SD card though. | 16:34 | |
| * Yaniel gets back to ripping his CDs to flac | 16:34 | |
| CoderCandy | good luck Yaniel ! | 16:34 |
| Yaniel | oh and writing a thesis :D | 16:34 |
| CoderCandy | Is there a changelog for the new update yet? | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | I wouldn't be surprised if vim had more uptime than the vm this week | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | s/vm/wm/ | 16:35 |
| CoderCandy | wm? | 16:36 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm, my jolla discharges way quick nowdays though. | 16:37 |
| CoderCandy | I think the battery might have gotten a beating after an overheating thingiemajingie during charging. | 16:37 |
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| Sidde | CoderCandy: i've experiencing the same thing | 16:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | bah, only 32 GB ? :) | 16:37 |
| Sidde | CoderCandy: from having great battery to having normal smartphone battery | 16:37 |
| CoderCandy | Sidde, well I burned 53% battery in 1 hour | 16:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, at least you can exchange in on the Jolla :) | 16:38 |
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| CoderCandy | ... I guess that has something to do with watching netflix on 3g though | 16:38 |
| Sidde | CoderCandy: after reboot? | 16:38 |
| CoderCandy | Sidde, no reboot, it's been rather stable the last few days | 16:38 |
| CoderCandy | I dunno why though. | 16:38 |
| Sidde | CoderCandy: i dont have that much of a problem. But my standby time is 1/3 | 16:39 |
| Sidde | CoderCandy: maybe a process doing something it should not be doing | 16:39 |
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| CoderCandy | Sidde, your standby time is 1/3 of what? | 16:39 |
| Sidde | CoderCandy: of what i had a few month ago | 16:40 |
| Sidde | without installing anything new | 16:40 |
| CoderCandy | oh, yeah, I had great battery life back in the days | 16:40 |
| CoderCandy | I can live with it for now, but I would like to order a new jolla battery at some point | 16:40 |
| CoderCandy | (The whole point of exchangable batteries is that you can do this, right?) | 16:41 |
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| Yaniel | I have great battery life now with 1.0.3.8 | 16:42 |
| CoderCandy | I'm on 2.5 though | 16:43 |
| CoderCandy | So I'm gonna wait for next update :P | 16:43 |
| CoderCandy | Soo hyped | 16:43 |
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| dwangoAC | Sailor9998_: That's a lot of sailors :) | 17:17 |
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| M4rtinK2 | Sailfish IRC testing ? :) | 17:19 |
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| coderus | i need somebody to write me in mitakuuluu for test :D | 17:32 |
| Morpog | done :D | 17:34 |
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| coderus | thanks :) | 17:41 |
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| Nightmare__ | coderus, do you need someone to test your new version? | 17:46 |
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| Morpog | I guess he tests it by himself ;) | 17:48 |
| Nightmare__ | 6 eyes are better then 2 ;) | 17:49 |
| Morpog | you got 4 eyes? :D | 17:49 |
| Nightmare__ | i counted yours :D | 17:50 |
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| coderus | http://mid.mediatoon.com/upload/images/8_1.jpg | 17:56 |
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| Morpog | lol | 17:57 |
| kimmoli | i would choose 69 eyes ... | 17:57 |
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| Nightmare__ | didn't know until know they are a finnish band | 18:58 |
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| cvp | use some here a palm wireless charger ? | 19:06 |
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| Morpog | hey coderus what do you think about a new cover design with cover actions? http://abload.de/img/sailfishosemulatorztuab.png | 19:24 |
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| cvp | sieht gut aus :) | 19:29 |
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| fk_lx | Morpog: looks good | 19:31 |
| fk_lx | Morpog: sehr gut! ;-) | 19:32 |
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| coderus | Morpog: looks good | 19:36 |
| coderus | i thinking same after updating tweetian :) | 19:36 |
| coderus | near Mitakuuluu updates will be bugfixies and fixies new bugfixies only | 19:37 |
| coderus | but i have a lot of new ideas | 19:37 |
| Morpog | no problem, I can send you the icons and/or code, or make a PR on github | 19:38 |
| coderus | sending images/videos/music/location is pretty easy on sailfish. all important features will be implemented fast. | 19:38 |
| Morpog | cool | 19:38 |
| coderus | Morpog: you're welcome | 19:38 |
| mord | is the messaging thing going to get updated in the big "stable" update? turns out all the messages i've sent to more than one people have ended up as ${the_number_of_recipients} dupes in the sms inbox of the last recipient in the list :o | 19:38 |
| * artemma has some stupid problem with .conf file for some reason not being deployed :/ | 19:39 | |
| mord | i don't even know how to formulate this as a bug so haven't been able to search the bugzilla properly | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | mord: o_O | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | special: ^^^^ | 19:39 |
| mord | Stskeeps: i rarely send msgs to more than one ppl so this only has hit me twice i think | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | it sounds crazy enough that it might be a factual bug | 19:40 |
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| Teun_ | what is your prefered update method? | 19:44 |
| Teun_ | A: over your current setup, as it is | 19:44 |
| Teun_ | B: Complete factory reset and from there update to latest? | 19:45 |
| Teun_ | And would it matter if Dev mode is enabled | 19:46 |
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| cvp | doenst matter if dev is on/off | 19:48 |
| kimmoli | Teun_: is this a poll ? | 19:49 |
| cvp | but i will try first with my setup, if i see i get reboots or blinking green light or what ever, than i will delete all/make factory reset | 19:49 |
| Teun_ | kimmoli: no poll, just curious | 19:50 |
| kimmoli | A with dev-mode on or off should work ... | 19:51 |
| Teun_ | All my updates so far I did factory reset.. and I find my jolla very stable | 19:51 |
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| Teun_ | I have so many apps now, I will first try option A | 19:52 |
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| kimmoli | factory reset is nice way to get rid of those not used... | 19:55 |
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| cvp | by doing a factory reset, there will really delete all files/settings/Android part on the phone? | 19:59 |
| Eztran | It's a factory reset. So: yes. | 20:00 |
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| cvp | factory rest on a samsung android phone let pictures inside :D .... sometimes | 20:02 |
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| Eztran | Yeah, fair point, often resets don't actually reset the device fully. This one does =) | 20:02 |
| Nightmare__ | on sailfish: even your backups in settings are gone | 20:02 |
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| stephg | I have icecream | 20:10 |
| DrainBamaged | Damn, make me crave ice cream | 20:11 |
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| Teun_ | kimmoli: True, factory reset is a way to get rid of unused apps.. also have google play hack, so probably that one will get lost on update anyway | 20:15 |
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| coderus | google play need hacks? | 20:35 |
| Quu | a bit | 20:37 |
| Quu | dev-mode, files, ~5 commands | 20:37 |
| Quu | 1 reboot | 20:37 |
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| cvp | is it possible to see all saved wlan password connection over terminal ? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | maybe through connman | 20:43 |
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| Sidde | cvp: yes. there is a file for every saved wifi | 20:44 |
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| tigeli | cvp: grep Passphrase /var/lib/connman/wifi_1ce1921700fe_*/settings | 20:45 |
| tigeli | oops.. | 20:45 |
| tigeli | wifi_*/settings | 20:45 |
| cvp | hmm not found | 20:50 |
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| cvp | y | 21:04 |
| cvp | and over root there do nothing | 21:04 |
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| kimmoli | grep -h 'Name\|Passphrase' /var/lib/connman/wifi*/settings | 21:20 |
| kimmoli | devel-su | 21:20 |
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| cvp | you get some Information? me not | 21:23 |
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| coderus | pm me for Mitakuuluu beta test | 21:48 |
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| cvp | cool , sending ... | 21:50 |
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| AL13N | can anyone quickly look and see if wpa_supplicant was installed by default? | 22:26 |
| AL13N | "pkcon search name wpa" | 22:26 |
| AL13N | (if you haven't installed much in devmode) | 22:26 |
| AL13N | anyone? | 22:26 |
| Nightmare__ | 2.0 and 1.0 | 22:29 |
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| starkers | no phone on me at the moment but how else would it do wpa? | 22:29 |
| Nightmare__ | oh sorry, 2.0 installed, 1.0 aviable | 22:29 |
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| AL13N | starkers: i thought connman might done something like this internally or something | 22:31 |
| starkers | bad that's just a daemon for connection management. supplicant is essentially all about the driver | 22:32 |
| AL13N | it should, but some other component might've done it, and i was afraid, i'd broken that | 22:33 |
| AL13N | i guess i'll have to reboot | 22:33 |
| AL13N | wpa_supplicant is locking my wifi device | 22:33 |
| starkers | what kinda lock? | 22:34 |
| AL13N | and the minute i turn of wpa_supplicant and try to iw dev wlan0 scan, it hung (possibly due to wpa_supplicant starting up again) | 22:34 |
| starkers | eek | 22:34 |
| AL13N | pretty odd | 22:35 |
| starkers | yes it'll probably be doing something but you should queue at least | 22:35 |
| AL13N | i did have some connman issues in the past, but, i hadn't had this before | 22:35 |
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| starkers | any integrating stuff in dmesg? | 22:35 |
| AL13N | damn | 22:35 |
| AL13N | should've checked it | 22:35 |
| AL13N | too late now | 22:35 |
| AL13N | well, the good news is that after reboot the issue is resolved | 22:36 |
| AL13N | if you can call that good news | 22:36 |
| starkers | woot almost up to Windows standards | 22:36 |
| AL13N | :-S | 22:36 |
| AL13N | worries for later | 22:36 |
| AL13N | i'm gonna go to sleep | 22:36 |
| AL13N | we'll see after the upgrade next week | 22:37 |
| starkers | nice meeting you, nn | 22:37 |
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