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| keithzg | So, after the nonsense I've gone through today finally becoming fairly certain that my N9 has wiped out my entire message history, how are messages stored in SailfishOS? Is there just an sqlite file I can backup periodically, or? | 00:24 |
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| Aard | keithzg: yes | 00:27 |
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| Aard | we're using commhistory, just like on the n9, but not with a tracker backend but sqlite | 00:27 |
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| keithzg | Aard: Aha, thanks, and I see share/commhistory/commhistory.db there and it does indeed look like a nice straightforward sqlite database. Nice :) | 00:34 |
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| coderus | keithzg: i'm getting messaging history lost on N9 sometimes | 05:35 |
| coderus | but its not real "lost" | 05:35 |
| coderus | some troubles in tracker or so | 05:35 |
| coderus | when i see my messages disappeared i just "poweroff -f" | 05:36 |
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| coderus | and after reboot all my messages are in place :) | 05:36 |
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| tehdely | killing the messaging-ui prestart process | 05:50 |
| tehdely | solves that problem for me | 05:50 |
| tehdely | on next launch of messaging, my messages are there... | 05:50 |
| tehdely | i am in an interesting spot... i want to migrate notes + sms + call hist from my jolla back to my n9 so i can send the jolla back to finland to be serviced | 05:50 |
| tehdely | as i smashed the screen... | 05:50 |
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| cvp | good morning :) | 06:59 |
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| coderus | mooornin | 07:43 |
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| Morpog_ | morning | 07:44 |
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| cvp | ok right its not working in all games , thats true :D | 08:20 |
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| AL13N | build chroot is sort of finally ready: https://together.jolla.com/question/26605/howto-install-a-chroot-for-building-apps/ | 10:50 |
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| mpsi | mpsi_: hi, i have a problem with setting static IP on WLAN on my Jolla device: I can edit the settings, but after a moment it resets to as if not edited at all. | 11:38 |
| mpsi | mpsi_: Is there any way to set static IP by editing config files? | 11:39 |
| stephg | mpsi, silly question but are you sure you're saving them via the interface? | 11:42 |
| stephg | i.e. you're swiping back instead of forward | 11:42 |
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| mpsi_ | It resets to null before I have a chance to swipe back | 11:49 |
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| ShadowJK | I was able to set static ip | 12:01 |
| till | damn the vibration stopped on my jolla :( | 12:03 |
| v3ng3anc3 | restart it | 12:04 |
| till | did twice | 12:05 |
| till | removed battery for some seconds | 12:05 |
| till | and ran csd tool | 12:05 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Software issues or dead motor ? | 12:07 |
| till | looks like dead motor, but it was working fine yesterday | 12:07 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | sorry to hear that. But i guess you still have waranty, no? | 12:08 |
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| till | yeah I should, got it in december. but don't want to wait some weeks :/ | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | till: probably good idea to contact care | 12:10 |
| till | will do on monday | 12:10 |
| till | although is has some scratches, fell down some times. but the vibration was still working until today | 12:11 |
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| Stskeeps | csd can sometimes do false positives, just fwiw | 12:14 |
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| Stskeeps | or negatives | 12:14 |
| till | well maybe i try a factory reset or wait for the new software update | 12:15 |
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| mtw^ | Testing 1 2 3 | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | it works | 12:19 |
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| walokra | yeah it does, just testing different apps and taking screenshots | 12:20 |
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| Sail0r | does anyone know if the 4G part of Jolla is capable of US frequencies? | 14:43 |
| Yaniel | it is not even released yet | 14:44 |
| ShadowJK | Not on the phone currently sold to europe | 14:45 |
| Sail0r | Yaniel: i know it was just a question when the activate 4g if it's running in the US | 14:47 |
| Sail0r | so only GSM in the us | 14:47 |
| Sail0r | ok, so i have to take my old n900 or Galaxy s2 in the us | 14:47 |
| Sail0r | but n900 is also not capable of umts i think | 14:48 |
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| ShadowJK | it is | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | umts, wcdma, hspa, hsdpa, hsupa | 14:48 |
| Sail0r | but not of the at&t frequencies or is it? | 14:49 |
| ShadowJK | But again, US frequencies are so weird, so it falls on that | 14:49 |
| Sail0r | ok i take the s2 | 14:50 |
| dunp | yeah from 60Hz ac... | 14:50 |
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| kimmoli | i have wondered that the unit of frequency is same there... | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | US frequencies are just batshit insane | 15:05 |
| Sail0r | yep | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | made by the same kind of people that thought symbian and CDMA was a good idea | 15:06 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 15:06 |
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| M4rtinK | SDR & GNURadio for the rescue :) | 15:09 |
| M4rtinK | would be probably pretty power inefficient though :) | 15:09 |
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| Sail0r | https://twitter.com/YvesPE/status/444661468089163776/photo/1/large | 15:35 |
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| flanag | really? | 15:36 |
| Yaniel | the TOH looks nice actually | 15:37 |
| Sail0r | would be cool :) | 15:37 |
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| Sail0r | are there news about the bluetooth integration? | 17:02 |
| Sail0r | like sending contacts to the car etc | 17:02 |
| flanag | isn't that already working? I think that the contacts must be local though, if you sync them with google/something else, they don't work (I think I read something along these lines, I haven't tested it myself) | 17:04 |
| flanag | I can be totally wrong though, I might remember wrong | 17:05 |
| Sail0r | it's not working | 17:05 |
| Sail0r | because of missing bluetooth integration | 17:05 |
| Sail0r | only with a hack it's working | 17:05 |
| Sail0r | at the moment my car has no access to the contacts | 17:06 |
| flanag | ah sorry, I wonder where I got my false memories | 17:06 |
| flanag | what's the hack? | 17:06 |
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| Venemo | hey :) | 17:07 |
| flanag | hi | 17:07 |
| Venemo | by this time, early march is over by any measure | 17:07 |
| flanag | well, they announced that it's next week now (*early* next week) | 17:08 |
| Venemo | link please | 17:09 |
| flanag | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/444493321126563840 | 17:10 |
| Sail0r | the hack is described here flanag https://together.jolla.com/question/274/pbap-bluetooth-profile-support-is-requested/ | 17:11 |
| flanag | thanks, Sail0r | 17:12 |
| Venemo | thanks flanag | 17:15 |
| Venemo | well, this probably means next friday, then | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | i dearly hope not | 17:17 |
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| Yaniel | I hope younited makes their linux client official soon | 17:18 |
| Yaniel | and supports it better than dropbox does with theirs | 17:18 |
| Sail0r | hopefully next week otherwise I get it end of april :x | 17:19 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: are the email client and the browser getting love? :) | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: afaik | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm not in those areas | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | email client getting load sof love | 17:20 |
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| Morpog_ | Venemo, you can follow browser progress on github after it was open sourced | 17:26 |
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| pdanek1 | Any chance of update to 1.0 tomorrow? | 18:22 |
| flanag | nope | 18:22 |
| flanag | (if today for you is Saturday) | 18:22 |
| pdanek1 | right | 18:22 |
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| pdanek1 | I can't wait for keyboard-half. | 18:23 |
| pdanek1 | I should be in 2nd batch. o.O | 18:23 |
| Morpog_ | pdanek1, they said early next week | 18:23 |
| pdanek1 | cool | 18:24 |
| kimmoli_sailing | there is annoying bug with tohkbd, it is caused by something in qt \ sailfish \ uinput.. | 18:25 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | afaik it is not fixed in update4 | 18:25 |
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| flanag | what's the bug exactly? | 18:26 |
| kimmoli_sailing | shift generated ? mark | 18:26 |
| flanag | right | 18:27 |
| kimmoli_sailing | it does not do this in terminal (fingerterm) | 18:27 |
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| Venemo | Morpog_: does | 18:51 |
| Venemo | Morpog_: does the GitHub site of the browser tell which version is gonna get into the public release? | 18:51 |
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| Morpog_ | dunno, there is a branch which a new browser UI, but I guess that will come in a later update | 18:58 |
| Venemo | heh | 19:00 |
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| Venemo | at least if someone feels adventurous, they can build it from source | 19:01 |
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| Morpog_ | you can see the new UI already in a mockup | 19:04 |
| Morpog_ | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/blob/master/design/sailfish-browser-6.jpg?raw=true | 19:04 |
| flanag | here? https://raw.github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/master/design/sailfish-browser-6.jpg | 19:04 |
| flanag | damn | 19:04 |
| Morpog_ | lol | 19:04 |
| flanag | at the same time | 19:04 |
| flanag | literally the same second | 19:05 |
| flanag | what's that "tab history"? the history only for the current tab? | 19:08 |
| Morpog_ | I guess history shown below tabs ;) | 19:09 |
| flanag | but it even says "Tab history" in the browser in the mockup | 19:10 |
| flanag | maybe I'm being stupid here but I don't get why it's called "tab history" | 19:11 |
| Morpog_ | you need to ask Jaako :D | 19:11 |
| Morpog_ | err Jaakko | 19:12 |
| flanag | btw, isn't that kind of ambience colour shown on the mockup unachievable currently? | 19:12 |
| flanag | looks really nice | 19:12 |
| Morpog_ | it's the one from emulator | 19:13 |
| flanag | I know | 19:13 |
| flanag | but would I get a similar colour for the browser panel with that wallpaper? | 19:13 |
| Morpog_ | no | 19:13 |
| flanag | yeah | 19:14 |
| Morpog_ | I have that wallpaper on my Jolla | 19:14 |
| Morpog_ | ripped it from emulator ;) | 19:14 |
| Morpog_ | i could manually tweal it | 19:14 |
| Morpog_ | tweak it | 19:14 |
| flanag | yup | 19:14 |
| Morpog_ | they could release that one as ambience package for all users | 19:14 |
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| flanag | well, anyway I really like this UI mockup as it seems to get rid of watching the slow transition to the tab page as you pull it up yourself from the bottom | 19:15 |
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| flanag | ah damn, nope | 19:16 |
| flanag | said that wrong | 19:16 |
| coderus | cp /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/images/wallpaper.jpg /home/nemo/Pictures/Sailfish.jpg | 19:16 |
| coderus | go to gallery and create new ambience | 19:17 |
| flanag | the tab page is still seperate and comes from the button as a seperate page | 19:17 |
| flanag | well, at least the url bar should be accessible quicker | 19:17 |
| Morpog_ | coderus, i have that already, still it doesn't pick the same colors for texts | 19:17 |
| flanag | coderus: thanks for that but I was mostly wondering about the colour | 19:18 |
| coderus | challenge accepted | 19:18 |
| flanag | heh | 19:18 |
| Morpog_ | lol :) | 19:18 |
| phaeron | Venemo: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/releases | 19:19 |
| kimmoli_sailing | tempting... | 19:20 |
| flanag | "0.9.14 ..Update first use into new design.." | 19:20 |
| flanag | yeah | 19:20 |
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| Morpog_ | phaeron, well, that still doesn't tell us which release will be in in next update ;) | 19:21 |
| coderus | kimmoli_sailing: btw, same bug on emulator when typing with keyboard | 19:21 |
| Morpog_ | annoying ? bug? :D | 19:21 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | yep, i have heard that too ( i dont emulate ) | 19:22 |
| phaeron | Morpog_ 0.9.12 | 19:22 |
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| Morpog_ | would be great if we could build it easily with sdk in future, that way we would have a browser tehre too | 19:24 |
| phaeron | talk to veskuh :) | 19:25 |
| flanag | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/wiki/BuildingInstructions | 19:27 |
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| Morpog_ | flanag, I said easily :D | 19:30 |
| flanag | well, yeah :) | 19:30 |
| Morpog_ | even better would be pre installed in sdk emulator | 19:30 |
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| coderus | i'll build jolla-browser myself soon | 19:34 |
| coderus | and can produce x86 packages too | 19:34 |
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| flanag | nice | 19:35 |
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| Teun_ | coderus: can't you contribute to stock jolla browser as it is on github? | 19:49 |
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| flanag | I thought he meant that he's just building the newest version from github | 19:49 |
| Teun_ | think stock briwser is okay, but missing true tab browsing and gesture based navigation | 19:50 |
| coderus | Teun_: i'm talking about same :) | 19:50 |
| Teun_ | ah | 19:50 |
| Teun_ | cool | 19:50 |
| Venemo | thanks phaeron | 19:50 |
| Teun_ | think Jolla should put coderus on there payroll | 19:51 |
| Venemo | now the real question is, does it support real tabs now? | 19:53 |
| Venemo | Teun_: "their" is not "there" | 19:53 |
| Teun_ | just wondering if it would be possible to completely integrate mitakuulu with jolla messaging .. that would realy be cool | 19:54 |
| phaeron | Venemo: np. I think it maybe planned | 19:54 |
| Teun_ | venemo: my english is apparently not that good after a couple of beers | 19:55 |
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| coderus | Morpog_: flanag: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/ambience-sailfish-0.0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 20:28 |
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| flanag | did you use some tricks to get a similar colour to the browser mockup? | 20:30 |
| coderus | i get values from abienced sqlite database on emulator | 20:30 |
| coderus | got* | 20:30 |
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| flanag | right | 20:31 |
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| Oni^ | up | 20:38 |
| Yaniel | start9 | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | For [device, own cloud, public cloud] would you store [nothing, shared items, metadata of everything you do]? What'd change the choices? | 20:39 |
| Quu | yes i would. | 20:39 |
| flanag | up | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | more interested in the choices ;) | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | shared items | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | shared items being 'stuff i choose to share' | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | well, "mark to be synced" | 20:41 |
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| coderus | i'm storing only items | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | working on something and pondering how to make it properly privacy aware, so | 20:45 |
| flanag | hmm | 20:46 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: I'd store anything on a device and an own cloud, if I was sure that nobody else (that I don't want to give my stuff to) can access it | 21:05 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: on a public cloud (or a device or own cloud that I don't trust) I would only store things I didn't mind sharing with any random persion | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | ie. stuff explicitly marked as shared/synced | 21:06 |
| Venemo | on the device, a lock code is a good way to ensure that nobody else gets my stuff :) | 21:07 |
| Venemo | on the other hand, I would never upload / post anything to Twitter or Facebook or Google Drive, or whereever that I had trouble explaining to my parents / friends / boss / etc, in other words I only use those services for things I don't mind sharing with anyone | 21:08 |
| flanag | Venemo: What would it need to have you assured that nobody can access your stuff, if you were uploading them to a cloud provided by someone else than yourself? In other words, how could they gain your trust? | 21:09 |
| Venemo | flanag: that's a tough question | 21:09 |
| Venemo | flanag: nowadays you never know who you can trust | 21:09 |
| flanag | yup | 21:10 |
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| Venemo | generally though, I trust a service that is run by people I trust | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | would you share more detailed data of your daily life it let's say, it improved openstreetmaps? | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | and you'd know what was shared | 21:11 |
| Venemo | it depends | 21:11 |
| messerting | Stskeeps: Yes, if I was in total controll of what was shared, I'd share more to specific services | 21:11 |
| flanag | If I could have some detailed options on what I share and I could choose only those options that I'm comfortable with | 21:12 |
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| Venemo | meh | 21:13 |
| Venemo | too easy to press Ctrl+Q in this IRC app | 21:13 |
| Venemo | anyway | 21:13 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: to your question, I'd say I'd allow collecting such data, as long as (1) I can turn it off when I don't want it (2) it doesn't track me personally | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 21:14 |
| Venemo | for example, if openstreetmaps doesn't keep track of when I went where and how long I stayed, it's fine | 21:14 |
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| Venemo | ok, that answer is a bit paranoid :) | 21:15 |
| Venemo | generally, I don't go to 'bad' places, so for me (personally) it's not really an issue | 21:15 |
| flanag | well, what if you visited some places that would be considered bad after, for example, another political party would come to power? | 21:16 |
| Venemo | yeah | 21:16 |
| Venemo | that's why I gave the paranoid answer | 21:16 |
| bennypr0fane | so, i have bo read permission for everything i download to /home/nemo ...what's that all about? | 21:17 |
| bennypr0fane | actually, make that "no" read permission | 21:17 |
| Venemo | it'd be quite unsetting if someone (who maybe knows a bit about me) could track what/when I do, by data gained from openstreetmaps | 21:18 |
| Venemo | speaking of cloud, I would trust "Jolla Cloud", knowing it is maintained by Jolla (which in turn is run by people I trust) | 21:19 |
| Venemo | however I don't trust a random 3rd party cloud service | 21:19 |
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| bennypr0fane | also: how do you guys transfer files from yr pc to the Jolla? | 21:19 |
| Yaniel | scp/sshfs | 21:19 |
| Venemo | bennypr0fane: depends on what OS you have on your PC :) | 21:19 |
| flanag | well, Jolla's cloud would probably be operated by F-Secure (Younited) | 21:19 |
| Venemo | bennypr0fane: I personally just use SSH | 21:19 |
| Venemo | flanag: I'm not sure I can trust F-Secure | 21:20 |
| flanag | yeah | 21:20 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what do you (personally) think of these privacy things? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | it depends on a lot of things, like if i believed that it would help my experience and other's, i'd possibly share a lot to cloud | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the wiki editor mindset | 21:22 |
| bennypr0fane | afaik, ssh is not transferring files, but issuing commands. do you have a file server set up on the Jolla? | 21:22 |
| Yaniel | there are scp (cp over ssh) and sftp (sftp-like thing over ssh) | 21:23 |
| Yaniel | and sshfs == mount a remote directory over ssh | 21:23 |
| bennypr0fane | i believe u can trust f-secure more than Dropbox, in many respects | 21:24 |
| bennypr0fane | Yaniel wow there are no limits, huh? | 21:24 |
| Yaniel | pretty much | 21:25 |
| Yaniel | for example the dropbox client on my linux box is b0rked for whatever reason | 21:25 |
| bennypr0fane | si does anyone else have issues with permissions in user land? | 21:26 |
| Yaniel | so I sshfs'ed the folder on my laptop to sync files between the two | 21:26 |
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| bennypr0fane | Yaniel sync, as in rsync or just plain manual cp? | 21:27 |
| Yaniel | cp | 21:27 |
| Yaniel | on the laptop it is drag'n'drop stuff around in finder :D | 21:27 |
| bennypr0fane | what s finder niw | 21:27 |
| bennypr0fane | *now | 21:27 |
| Yaniel | the file browser on OSX | 21:28 |
| bennypr0fane | i use linux mint | 21:28 |
| bennypr0fane | another question: whats the path to the sdcard? there seem to be 2 - or more | 21:29 |
| Yaniel | /var/run/user/100000/media/sdcard or so | 21:30 |
| Yaniel | the user with more digits | 21:30 |
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| phaeron | That will change in coming update | 21:31 |
| Yaniel | :/ | 21:31 |
| Yaniel | to something simpler I hope? | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | like /media/sdcard | 21:32 |
| phaeron | /media/sdcard/<uuid> | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | as if there could be more sdcards | 21:33 |
| phaeron | Yaniel: partitions :) | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | ah, right | 21:33 |
| phaeron | https://github.com/nemomobile/sd-utils | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | that makes sense | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | does automounting of btrfs finally work ^^ | 21:33 |
| phaeron | yes | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | \o/ | 21:34 |
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| eye_a | jolla )0lla joh | 21:54 |
| Tegu | as long as Jolla keeps Younited completely optional and opt-in service (which I don't really doubt), I guess it's OK. | 21:58 |
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| Venemo | hm, I've just seen the lastu case | 22:32 |
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| flanag | what do you think? | 22:32 |
| Venemo | I don't get it, why don't they make a full-blown TOH, instead of that sticker thing | 22:32 |
| flanag | yeah, I thought about that too | 22:33 |
| Quu | because its easier/faster to make one single chip of wood. | 22:36 |
| flanag | and then charge 50 euros | 22:36 |
| Quu | yes. | 22:36 |
| Quu | because design | 22:36 |
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| Venemo | heh | 22:42 |
| Venemo | it's only 25 | 22:42 |
| Venemo | ""only"" | 22:42 |
| flanag | ah, I thought you were talking about the full case | 22:42 |
| flanag | which includes a flip cover and TOH | 22:42 |
| flanag | that's 50 euros | 22:43 |
| Venemo | that only includes a white TOH and an ugly pouch | 22:43 |
| flanag | yeah | 22:43 |
| Venemo | I already have a white TOH and am not interested in those ugly-looking pouches | 22:43 |
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| Venemo | but | 22:43 |
| Venemo | on the other hand | 22:43 |
| Venemo | it's good to see that jolla is being supported :) | 22:44 |
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| Quu | maybe i should start making similar style thingies from rusted iron | 22:49 |
| Quu | because why not, people be silly and buy all the stuff | 22:49 |
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| flanag | sounds like a plan | 22:49 |
| Venemo | why is it silly? | 22:49 |
| Venemo | everyone has the right to have style | 22:50 |
| Quu | sure sure | 22:50 |
| Quu | but buying overpriced woodchip is bit silly | 22:50 |
| Quu | kinda like all apple products | 22:50 |
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| Venemo | maybe in your opinion | 22:54 |
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