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| Nicd- | update day! | 06:58 |
| Nicd- | amiright guys | 06:58 |
| inffy_ | are you sure :) | 06:59 |
| inffy_ | maybe they work overtime and the update comes sunday :D | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | you have to remember that we don't know what weekends are | 06:59 |
| Nicd- | hope this request of mine makes it to some update: https://together.jolla.com/question/18948/request-save-phone-model-in-photo-exif/ | 07:03 |
| Kiranos_ | there is a tag on together called jan14 https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:votes-desc/tags:jan14/page:1/ | 07:06 |
| Kiranos_ | what is that highlighting? | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | jan14 was 1.0.3.8? | 07:06 |
| Kiranos_ | ah seems right | 07:06 |
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| Sail0r | update day ! | 07:57 |
| ggabriel | too late Sail0r | 07:57 |
| ggabriel | it has been said before | 07:57 |
| Sail0r | :x | 07:57 |
| ggabriel | i've got better news: it's friday! | 07:57 |
| Sail0r | now i don't get my update anymore ^^ | 07:57 |
| ggabriel | (hopefully my flight won't be delayed) | 07:57 |
| ggabriel | ha! | 07:57 |
| ggabriel | look at the led | 07:57 |
| jabis | I'm waiting for the price estimate on my bashed screen | 08:00 |
| Nicd- | should've used zsh | 08:01 |
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| jabis | Nicd-: true - then it wouldda been less verbose mosaic x) | 08:25 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Hey | 08:42 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 08:45 |
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| gabriel9|work | morning | 08:50 |
| mornfall | morning indeed | 08:52 |
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| * rangoy is constantly checking my jolla for updates... reminds me about http://xkcd.com/281/ | 09:14 | |
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| Nicd- | I'm just waiting that the channel explodes | 09:16 |
| Nicd- | that's how you know it's out | 09:17 |
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| rangoy | Nicd-: i know... everyone is just sitting and starring at their irc window now :) | 09:20 |
| gabriel9|work | i am watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAnjUhQvGi0 | 09:20 |
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| ggabriel | KABOOM | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | (troll explosion) | 09:21 |
| Frye | =) | 09:21 |
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| Sail0r | journalctl says for all apps smth like | 09:34 |
| Sail0r | jolla-settings[26208]: [D] TreeItem::debugDump:205 - 2 "pin_code" QVariant(QString, "pin.json") | 09:34 |
| Sail0r | lot's of debugDumps | 09:34 |
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| FireFly | Reboot-loop question... when people talk about 'reboot loop', is that about the reboot-before-grey-LED-and-PIN-entry-screen kind? | 09:35 |
| Morpog_Jolla | yes | 09:35 |
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| FireFly | Because I just had a 'delayed' loop with sudden reboot consistently after a few seconds of seeing the lock screen | 09:36 |
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| FireFly | hopefully related to the first and not a separate iszue | 09:36 |
| FireFly | isue* | 09:36 |
| FireFly | argh | 09:36 |
| * FireFly blames fingerterm vkb | 09:36 | |
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| Morpog_Jolla | just use communi :) | 09:45 |
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| Frye | communi is awesome | 09:58 |
| Frye | I use it all the time | 09:59 |
| Frye | By far the best irc client available to mobile devices | 10:00 |
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| FireFly | communi is nice, but maliit has even more inconvenient access to common symbols | 10:05 |
| FireFly | and I'm too lazy to setup a bnc when I can just mosh to my weechat session :P | 10:06 |
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| ar | yeah, mosh in terminal and tmux with a proper irc client there is nice | 10:10 |
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| * ggabriel will have to go find out what mosh is, it's been mentioned many a time | 10:12 | |
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| ggabriel | we should all troll jolla and refuse to update for a week once the update is out | 10:14 |
| thp | FireFly: well if you can re-use any of the existing terminal emulator libs and integrate it into fingerterm (which would mean make it render using Qt Scene Graph inside QML), i'd be all for integrating that | 10:15 |
| thp | FireFly: bonus points if you integrate a library that can do reflowing of text when the window size changes | 10:16 |
| ar | ggabriel: http://mosh.mit.edu/ | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | ar: ta, have found it anyway | 10:18 |
| mornfall | #jolla #update #available #fail pic.twitter.com/Ie9dUwKc2H :D | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | a good reply would be 'wait for it.." | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:20 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: thanks, you've made that funny | 10:21 |
| jussi | Stskeeps - "comedy on call" :P | 10:21 |
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| ggabriel | multi skilled chap | 10:21 |
| mornfall | it's gonna be ... wait for it. | 10:21 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | anyone working on rdp client? | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | vnc? | 10:22 |
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| mornfall | vnc isn't really a good replacement, sadly | 10:23 |
| ggabriel | rdp is windows isn't it? | 10:23 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | yep | 10:23 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | yep | 10:23 |
| ggabriel | ah, ok, dunno then... seem to remember seeing something vnc related somewhere | 10:23 |
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| ggabriel | but i just can't figure how one would control a computer with a tiny phone screen :) | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | bluemaemo, however, would be a lot more useful | 10:24 |
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| sharpneli | I find it hard to believe that bluemaemo would actually be useful. It basically allows one to use the worst possible feature in a smartphone to control machines with way superior inputs. | 10:26 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | have done that with N9... need is usually monitor windows only temperaturechamber sw | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: i can quote at least 2 use cases :) | 10:26 |
| sharpneli | ggabriel: One is probably using the keyb on PS3 | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: not necessarily, the ps3 has a nice control already, but fwiw, i'll enumerate | 10:28 |
| ggabriel | 1. home theatre pc - no keyboard/mouse, all you need is to use the mouse a bit to put a film on MAYBE the keyboard | 10:28 |
| ggabriel | 2. laptop on the road, use the phone as a bluetooth mouse on the table rather than carrying yet another thing with you (i don't know how reliable is the phone as a mouse on a flat surface though, never tried it). | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | 1 > 2 ofc | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | and any other use case where kbd/mouse are far from you and you need them scarcely | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | 3. flipping slides on a presentation perhaps (and no, I'd rather BT 1M times than a custom powerpoint/keynote "app") | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | thing is... it's quite a generic thing, it may have other uses too | 10:30 |
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| Guest19346 | hi everyone | 10:36 |
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| sharpneli | ggabriel: The little I've used PS3 as a media center I've noticed that typing is absolutely atrocious with the controller. So that's why that came into my mind | 10:36 |
| sharpneli | E.g search from youtube (classic party usecase) | 10:37 |
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| sharpneli | Same applies for mediacenter pc | 10:37 |
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| ggabriel | sharpneli: yeah, undertsand, but becuse i have a pc next to it, i just switch for those occasions :) | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | atm i have a bt kbd and mouse | 10:37 |
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| ggabriel | which just clutter everything for the very little use i give them | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | ofc this is a fwp, right? i'm just saying bluemameo would make my life easier in that case | 10:38 |
| sharpneli | Personally I have just a PC. But yeah I see your point. | 10:38 |
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| niuran | hello | 11:57 |
| niuran | any info about when sailfish 1.0 will be released? | 11:58 |
| Nightmare__ | <Stskeeps> a good reply would be 'wait for it.." | 11:59 |
| Sail0r | first week of march ;) | 11:59 |
| Sail0r | but they said no year | 11:59 |
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| Stskeeps | 2016 | 12:01 |
| niuran | i hope in this month,but... | 12:01 |
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| Sail0r | I prefer a working release over a rushed ;) | 12:02 |
| pp | looks like they're busy committing: https://github.com/nemomobile/commhistory-daemon/commits/master :-) | 12:02 |
| sharpneli | "Show notifications for successfully received MMS" | 12:03 |
| sharpneli | Oooo! | 12:03 |
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| pp | even if they don't ship it in the upcoming release they seem to have been really productive :-) | 12:05 |
| chem|st | pp: that means they are already working on the next release... so where is the mar14 one? | 12:05 |
| niuran | maybe is matter of a few days | 12:06 |
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| Acce | Where is the update!!!??? | 12:12 |
| stephg | over there! → | 12:12 |
| gabriel9|work | somewhere out there | 12:12 |
| * Acce goes fetch it | 12:12 | |
| simbrown | it's behind you! | 12:12 |
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| Acce | bend over, this time the update comes from behind! | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | i would like update on sdk | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | account API | 12:13 |
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| s1gk1ll | yes, SDK needs to improve asap | 12:27 |
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| gabriel9|work | and documentation | 12:42 |
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| Milo- | "sailfish os is now finished and version 1.0 is now ready" was said a month ago :) | 12:43 |
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| Milo- | it seems like someone jumped the gun. | 12:43 |
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| Milo- | also, isn't 1.0 a downgrade considering the current version is 1.0.3.8? :P | 12:44 |
| tbr | Milo-: it was shown at MWC, your point is void | 12:44 |
| Acce | "1.0" is a gimmick marketing trick to fool the puny ;) | 12:45 |
| tbr | Milo-: ah, you feel like nitpicking, the trollpit is down the hallway to the right | 12:45 |
| Milo- | Acce exactly :) | 12:45 |
| bencoh | it is friday after all | 12:45 |
| Milo- | tbr not everything "negative" or pedantic is trolling. | 12:46 |
| Milo- | gah... "everything that is "negative" or pedantic..." | 12:46 |
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| Gorith | can I disable the theme loaded from other half (first one) somehow? | 12:55 |
| tbr | remove the nfc-tag or mask it with a piece of tin foil | 12:55 |
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| Wnt | Gorith: or just remove it from the favourite ambiances | 13:00 |
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| rangoy | Gorith: open galery, open a ambience, enable it in the pulley | 13:09 |
| CoderCandy | Hi people, where does one go for news from jolla? | 13:10 |
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| CoderCandy | So I don't need to nag you folks for info all the time :p | 13:11 |
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| Wnt | CoderCandy: I use twitter | 13:11 |
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| CoderCandy | Oh, hmm, yeah | 13:11 |
| CoderCandy | uh, huh? | 13:12 |
| Wnt | and follow some blogs that write about jolla, some of their developer who go to conferences, and of course jolla itself | 13:12 |
| CoderCandy | Why are their tweets protected? :( | 13:12 |
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| Wnt | CoderCandy: whose tweets? | 13:13 |
| CoderCandy | @JollaMobile | 13:13 |
| Nicd- | CoderCandy: look at @JollaHQ | 13:14 |
| Wnt | this is the official account of Jolla: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | Ooh, okay, google results had me confused. | 13:14 |
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| Morpog_PC | are we there yet? | 13:34 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 13:34 |
| sharpneli | Everyone make a timed script saying "Are we there yet?" every 30 seconds! | 13:34 |
| rangoy | "Are we there yet? | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | "Are we there yet?" | 13:36 |
| Sailor341 | "Are we there yet?" | 13:36 |
| slacko25328 | "Are we there yet?" | 13:36 |
| yanoo | Yeti? | 13:36 |
| Nicd- | I have to peeeeee | 13:37 |
| tbr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0tje6xfWs | 13:37 |
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| VDVsx | humm, quite interesting article: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2115612/why-not-to-deploy-on-a-friday :P | 13:44 |
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| jussi | "bout an hour" | 13:50 |
| tbr | VDVsx: given that jolla doesn't seem to have a notion of weekend or day/night/sleep, I'm not sure that really matters ;-þ | 13:51 |
| VDVsx | yeah, a bit unlike :P | 13:52 |
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| rangoy | guess they are using http://xkcd.com/320/ | 13:56 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx: it takes 3 days till all people have it and the bugreporting increases rapidly, so why not have them 2 free days and start reading reports on monday? And you may have a fix for a critical bug on tuesday morning... if you ship monday you will have a bug flying at least till wed, as noone had time to validate it for you (community is pretty good in it) | 14:00 |
| VDVsx | chem|st, well, if infra goes down or any other issue, people need to be available | 14:02 |
| flux | I guess there's always someone ready to pull the plug on the ugprade if it turns out it bricks 10% of devices ;) | 14:02 |
| flux | (of course, jolla's internal testings must be very good so that could never happen) | 14:03 |
| chem|st | VDVsx: serveradmins do not have a 5 day week do they? | 14:03 |
| VDVsx | guess most people at Jolla are humans, they need rest :) | 14:03 |
| flux | ahha, the problem lies in faulty assumptions! | 14:03 |
| Yaniel | AFAIK serveradmins/SRE:s have 7-day weeks | 14:03 |
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| chem|st | VDVsx: vB just shipped a security fix | 14:04 |
| chem|st | or patches, the first vB are already rendered useless | 14:04 |
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| msv | could someone make app for refreshing update checking? ;) | 14:05 |
| jussi | VDVsx: wait.... you are saying Stskeeps is human? o.O no........ he is definitely superhuman :D | 14:05 |
| chem|st | VDVsx: and well I would not mind having the 1.0 on a friday, as long as I can factory reset I can always go back to 1.0.2.5 | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | msv: please no, it would decimate jolla's servers | 14:06 |
| jussi | msv: as soon as you make me an app for making people more patient... :D | 14:06 |
| VDVsx | jussi, I said " most people.." :P | 14:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | I'm not that hot anymore for the update since I enabled the performance governor and my Jolla is smooth as butter :D | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | how's the battery usage? | 14:06 |
| Morpog_PC | not bad | 14:07 |
| tbr | it probably just drives the gpu more aggressively. if the screen is off, then this is irrelevant. :) | 14:07 |
| Morpog_PC | alot better than with the NFC bug :D | 14:07 |
| Morpog_PC | tbr, yep, guess so | 14:07 |
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| msv | "unpatient people accidently ddos attacked Jolla" | 14:09 |
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| opuk | are there any numbers available on how many jolla devices have been sold? | 14:10 |
| msv | yes | 14:10 |
| msv | one sold to me | 14:11 |
| ln- | yes, numbers 1..9, and 0. | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | that would not even be the first time that happens | 14:12 |
| Wnt | opuk: one can get some kind of idea from the download count of Jolla's official applications in the Store | 14:12 |
| Nicd- | clock has "10000+" downloads | 14:12 |
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| Wnt | earlier versions of the store clien also showed the exact download count | 14:13 |
| Wnt | not sure if that was changed on the server side or just in the client (or maybe the newer one uses a different communication protocol) | 14:13 |
| Wnt | but maybe one could downgrade to the older version and still get the exact counts from there | 14:14 |
| chem|st | Wnt: most people reset their device at least once so this is off by far I guess | 14:14 |
| chem|st | sharpneli: you are on 2.5 right? what does the counters in store tell? | 14:14 |
| Morpog_PC | i never did | 14:14 |
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| opuk | 10000+ are good, but I could use a more accurate number. I need to convince my bank that Jolla is a device that should matter, they don't like alien dalvik it seems :( | 14:14 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: most are not all | 14:14 |
| Morpog_PC | i don't think it's most | 14:15 |
| Yaniel | I guess 10k devices is not too far ffrom the truth | 14:15 |
| Morpog_PC | i would guess a minority | 14:15 |
| sharpneli | chem|st: I updated yesterday and the bug vanished after enabling debug info -> so I'm fully upgraded again. | 14:15 |
| chem|st | I reset like 3 times to get it working properly | 14:15 |
| Morpog_PC | bad luck then | 14:15 |
| Wnt | yes, I also think that only a minority of users reset their devices or reinstall applications | 14:15 |
| chem|st | sharpneli: dou... "I wont show you anything while you are debugging!" :D | 14:15 |
| chem|st | my sister did also like 3-4 times | 14:16 |
| Wnt | I cannot downgrade to the earlier versions anymore as my phone went to the service and now the factory reset resets it to 1.0.3.8 | 14:16 |
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| sharpneli | chem|st: Idd. I updated. Reproduced the bug in a quick test, rebooted with battery as that previously gave me 2s of sound. Enabled debugging and voila, no more sound bug :D | 14:27 |
| raa70 | I had notification today that update is available | 14:29 |
| flanag | just the old update again.. | 14:30 |
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| mornfall | so, postponed, or waiting till the end of business hours? :P | 14:32 |
| flanag | when did the last update come? was it late in the evening? | 14:32 |
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| gabriel9|work | around 16h | 14:33 |
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| cvp | ? | 14:33 |
| flanag | well 16.00 gmt? | 14:33 |
| gabriel9|work | my GMT :D | 14:33 |
| gabriel9|work | belegrade | 14:33 |
| gabriel9|work | timezone | 14:33 |
| pp | Last-Modified: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:12:09 GMT | 14:34 |
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| pp | (released a week before that tho, no?) | 14:35 |
| Morphy | any news on the upcoming update? | 14:35 |
| flanag | didn't it release on the last day of January? | 14:35 |
| gabriel9|work | yes | 14:36 |
| Morphy | I'm getting tired of these spontaneous reboots... | 14:36 |
| gabriel9|work | sometimes i wonder am i the only one without problems on Jolla :D | 14:37 |
| Morphy | lucky bastard :) | 14:37 |
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| pp | do try the remove battery for 10 mins trick | 14:37 |
| Morphy | Ok | 14:37 |
| till | I just don't like the ui freezing and connection problems :) | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | no problems here either | 14:38 |
| Morphy | I keep getting a call from an unknown number, and my Jolla reebots every time before I have time to answer it or write down the number :D | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | must be a name thing | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | Morphy: from another planet | 14:39 |
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| flanag | your Jolla is just protecting you from something | 14:39 |
| Morphy | I'm sure you're right :) | 14:40 |
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| mornfall | so I'm leaving house in ~1h for Fri night out, I'm sure the update will come 2 minutes before I have to go catch train :D | 14:50 |
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| mornfall | it'll taunt me all night with the update available notification | 14:51 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm, my jolla has been suprisingky stable lately. | 14:51 |
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| CoderCandy | been down sub 30% and everything. | 14:51 |
| mornfall | yeah, I only had one crash since I pulled out the battery 2 days or so ago | 14:51 |
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| CoderCandy | I have an uptime of more than a day! | 14:52 |
| Nicd- | my record is 10 days 19 h 22 min :) | 14:52 |
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| CoderCandy | Lol, yeah. | 14:52 |
| mornfall | on the other hand, I didn't really leave home wifi | 14:53 |
| CoderCandy | If that was the norm I'd not complain. | 14:53 |
| ln- | my uptime is something around 25d currently | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: if that is the triger, then go now and think about the rest of us | 14:53 |
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| CoderCandy | mornfall: I have this uptime 3G only | 14:53 |
| CoderCandy | That is, 3G up all the time | 14:53 |
| mornfall | CoderCandy: I think stuff is most likely to break when changing connections | 14:54 |
| CoderCandy | And last reboot was manually enforced, due to.connection bug. | 14:54 |
| CoderCandy | mornfall: well, I've been riding trains and all sort of things! | 14:54 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Guys, can i get the build for the Nexus 4 too? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | did you sign up as early adopter? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:55 |
| v3ng3anc3 | yes | 14:55 |
| CoderCandy | I just hope for the damn update before my stability luck runs out :P | 14:55 |
| CoderCandy | Here's a fire test though... | 14:55 |
| CoderCandy | Early adopter? | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | v3ng3anc3: then it's just about waiting.. | 14:56 |
| CoderCandy | Btw, is this bug present on other hardware than the jolla, or is it jolla exclusive? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | which | 14:56 |
| flanag | sudden shutdowns/reboots and connection problem loop I imagine | 14:57 |
| CoderCandy | flanag: yup | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | connection loop - possibly | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | first one, not likely | 14:58 |
| CoderCandy | good. | 14:58 |
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| CoderCandy | I'm thinking of migrating to a non jolla device until bug is fixed | 14:59 |
| CoderCandy | But still have sailfish on it. | 14:59 |
| CoderCandy | Since I really like sailfish | 14:59 |
| Niuran | me too | 14:59 |
| Niuran | use another device until Sailfish works ok | 14:59 |
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| Niuran | but i think jolla has not unleash the device "secret weapon" the other halves | 15:00 |
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| Niuran | maybe in a few months it would change | 15:01 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, I don't feel like not using the jolla itself would be a great loss until TOHs start popping up. | 15:02 |
| CoderCandy | I also would like a language filter in the store... | 15:03 |
| CoderCandy | So I only see apps/comments in english or swedish. | 15:03 |
| Niuran | but,for example,if sailfish works well in a Moto G, with better screen, and cost a half of the Jolla,why buy a Jolla? if only want the sailfish experience with a cheaper Android device it would be ok | 15:04 |
| Niuran | the plus are the other halves and they are not ready yet | 15:04 |
| clau | the main attraction for me is the toh's that implement hw functionality | 15:04 |
| clau | like hw kb | 15:04 |
| Niuran | for me too | 15:05 |
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| clau | changing colors was done before, and thw nfc tag is noce, but not something I can't live without. | 15:05 |
| clau | hum, excuse the typos, I am using jolla vkb :P | 15:06 |
| Niuran | powerhalf is interesting, super camera too, extra sensors ... | 15:06 |
| clau | btw, doesn't the horizontal vkv feel a tad too large? | 15:06 |
| Teun | think toh nfc functionality extended to more system wide configurations would make it more valuable | 15:06 |
| clau | vkb* | 15:06 |
| Niuran | hope a Swype like keyboard soon | 15:07 |
| clau | never really used nfc, so I can't say I miss it. | 15:07 |
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| clau | +1 for the Swype. | 15:07 |
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| clau | it's beautiful for single hand usage. | 15:08 |
| Teun | like having a toh with personal encription key to lock or unlock device | 15:08 |
| Niuran | and the screen legibility under sunlight...it gains superpowers and become invisible | 15:08 |
| Teun | as toh is personal any way | 15:08 |
| gabriel9|work | just need hw kb and i am happy | 15:09 |
| Teun | jup,screen performance in sunlight is not so good 'understatement' | 15:09 |
| gabriel9|work | in fact one the main reason i buy Jolla is for that | 15:09 |
| clau | intel edison cluster toh. | 15:10 |
| clau | extra computing pwer for your phone :) | 15:10 |
| Teun | gabriel9|work: did you preorder dirkv's hardware kb | 15:11 |
| gabriel9|work | not yet | 15:11 |
| Niuran | is not only the screen itself,but the contrast between the keyboard and the letters should be better | 15:11 |
| gabriel9|work | i wait some reviews :D | 15:12 |
| gabriel9|work | I'm waitng* | 15:12 |
| Teun | going to try it out on 28th of march | 15:12 |
| gabriel9|work | if people are happy i will order one for sure | 15:13 |
| gabriel9|work | Jolla should help him | 15:13 |
| Teun | think the kb would be ok , but the 3d printed matetial is normaly not that great | 15:13 |
| clau | what's the price? | 15:13 |
| gabriel9|work | it is in their interest also | 15:13 |
| Teun | about €100 | 15:13 |
| gabriel9|work | that is not cheap | 15:14 |
| gabriel9|work | with phone it will be 550 euros | 15:14 |
| Teun | look it up on TMO.. there is a thread there | 15:14 |
| TheBootroo_work | any way we can stick a polarizing filter on the jolla screen to make it perfectly legible in sunlight ? | 15:14 |
| Niuran | it is "hand made", a serial produced one would be cheaper | 15:14 |
| clau | might get one, but I need to know it's worth the money. | 15:14 |
| clau | especially quality wise | 15:15 |
| Niuran | polarizing and screen protector maybe | 15:15 |
| Niuran | should be great | 15:15 |
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| narchie | ohijärvi when | 15:16 |
| Teun | just got a update notification | 15:16 |
| narchie | nope | 15:16 |
| Teun | ... it's the fals alarm again | 15:17 |
| narchie | knew it | 15:17 |
| narchie | ;_; | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | no updates here | 15:17 |
| Teun | hate it when that happens | 15:17 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | You should get a update fro Jolla? | 15:17 |
| inffy | this week, yes | 15:18 |
| Teun | doubt it if they will make it | 15:18 |
| Teun | there must be an issue.. that is holding them back | 15:18 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | I a realy hoping this OS takes of because Google is becoming an asshole | 15:20 |
| gabriel9|work | atleast we do not call any developer from jolla to gif update :D | 15:20 |
| clau | was google different at any point? | 15:20 |
| inffy | what you mean becoming? Google has been an asshole for long | 15:20 |
| v3ng3anc3 | yeah it was | 15:20 |
| clau | ok, maybe when it was small. | 15:20 |
| v3ng3anc3 | yeah ... a few years | 15:20 |
| Yaniel | there was this time when they ran from a garage | 15:21 |
| v3ng3anc3 | but when they lacked power they wore not like this | 15:21 |
| v3ng3anc3 | :) | 15:21 |
| flanag | they are continuosly removing features from the search and ruining youtube | 15:21 |
| Nightmare__ | jallo could be a little more communicative, annunced that update at mwc and after that nothing... | 15:22 |
| Teun | so on twitter jollahq just put out the word | 15:22 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and adding Commercial mid video | 15:22 |
| inffy | oh lol | 15:22 |
| inffy | no update today | 15:22 |
| Teun | no update today | 15:22 |
| Teun | next week | 15:22 |
| narchie | ;_; | 15:22 |
| flanag | arghh | 15:22 |
| inffy | "early next week" | 15:22 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Guys, who can i bug again for the Sailfish Image? | 15:22 |
| v3ng3anc3 | realy NEED it! | 15:22 |
| Teun | it saves me from continually checking | 15:22 |
| inffy | what image? | 15:23 |
| clau | was the update officially postponed? | 15:23 |
| inffy | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/444493321126563840 | 15:23 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Zip :P | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | "Sorry for the wait, we're still rowing upstream on the final stretch for update which will be out early next week. Thanks for your patience! | 15:23 |
| gabriel9|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | v3ng3anc3: i don't see what you're bothered about, i told you several times that it first comes with the next update? | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | fuck... | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | next wee | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | +k | 15:23 |
| v3ng3anc3 | i didn't see that | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | and when we'll be there, they will say "next week" | 15:23 |
| v3ng3anc3 | you told me to wait | 15:24 |
| v3ng3anc3 | but i can't :( | 15:24 |
| * Stskeeps goes look for the tranquilizer gun.. | 15:24 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:24 |
| gabriel9|work | XD | 15:24 |
| flanag | yeah, that should help | 15:24 |
| v3ng3anc3 | so let me get this REALY CLEAR! When the update comes next week there should be a Nexus 4 Port coming too? | 15:25 |
| inffy | maybe | 15:25 |
| v3ng3anc3 | WHAT?! | 15:26 |
| v3ng3anc3 | :) | 15:26 |
| Teun | I doubt that | 15:26 |
| gabriel9|work | no need for nexus 4 | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | doubtful, it seems like it's "closed beta" now. | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | v3ng3anc3: it comes when it's ready for early adopters | 15:26 |
| FireFly | <inffy> "early next week" ← "early march" :P | 15:27 |
| FireFly | oh well, I guess it's good that they're taking their time | 15:28 |
| Aard | TheBootroo_work: we prefer to keep the amount of things that blow up for people during upgrade to a bare minimum | 15:28 |
| * Yaniel wants an april 1st update | 15:29 | |
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| joonahoi_ | Yaniel: sadly it can't be announced before the date | 15:29 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | From the videos online i see that the GS3 Port seems to work better then the Nexus 4 | 15:30 |
| inffy | don't trust everything you see on the internet :D | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | ARE YOU IMPLYING SOMEONE COULD LIE ON THE INTERNET | 15:30 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | i've seen a video from the MWC | 15:31 |
| inffy | of course not ;D | 15:31 |
| inffy | v3ng3anc3, you and thousands of others yeah | 15:31 |
| v3ng3anc3 | comparring the 3 phones | 15:31 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and what could it not be true ? | 15:31 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | damn my english sucks :) | 15:32 |
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| rangoy | update postponed? who told them not to deploy on fridays? | 15:33 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Well, if i wouldn't have sold my Nokia N9 ... | 15:33 |
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| rangoy | https://xkcd.com/386/ | 15:33 |
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| TheBootroo_work | v3ng3anc3: don't trust people, everybody lies (except me and Chuck Norris) | 15:39 |
| TheBootroo_work | but neither me or Chuck has tested SG3/N4 ports | 15:39 |
| TheBootroo_work | ^^ | 15:39 |
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| mornfall | hmm, my phone moved to a different timezone, wtf | 16:04 |
| mornfall | and I'm wondering why I have so much time left | 16:04 |
| mornfall | also explains why it says that the mail was sent "in 10 minutes" instead of "50 minutes ago" ^_^ | 16:05 |
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| cvp | Update is aviable............ 1.0.3.8.... damn it :D | 16:16 |
| mornfall | https://together.jolla.com/question/33151/news-march-update-delayed/ | 16:16 |
| mornfall | _o/ gotta run for the train :-))) | 16:16 |
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| aranea | Hi. Could someone please run "gconftool-2 -R /apps/jolla-settings" in the Jolla terminal and give me the output? I accidentally deleted the bluetooth shortcut from the main settings page... | 16:17 |
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| mornfall | aranea: just go to system -> bluetooth and long-press the BT toggle | 16:19 |
| mornfall | aranea: add to favourites | 16:19 |
| aranea | mornfall: I already tried that, but it doesn't work. It adds a shortcut to the bluetooth settings, not a switch; when I press it, bluetooth isn't toggled, I just go to the bluetooth settings page | 16:20 |
| Nightmare__ | you have to do that longpress an the toggle swith inside bluetooth settings | 16:20 |
| Nightmare__ | *switch | 16:21 |
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| aranea | great, thanks, mornfall & Nightmare__ ! | 16:21 |
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| aranea | Oh, and is there any way to prevent the root password being disabled when ssh is disabled? | 16:26 |
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| cb400f | guess you can manually stop the sshd.service in terminal at least | 16:30 |
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| mornfall | or mask it, even | 16:31 |
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| intekula- | Hi, I'm probably about to buy a jolla phone. I'm wondering if anyone has had any problems with the audio jack. My two last phones has ended up with that breaking first, I really don't want that to happen. | 16:34 |
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| Sail0r | ok, looks like update comes next week | 16:35 |
| Sail0r | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/444493321126563840 | 16:35 |
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| flanag | intekula-: No problems here but I don't really use the audio jack that much | 16:35 |
| mornfall | i use a bt headset so wouldn't know, intekulan | 16:35 |
| intekulan | Okay. I haven't found any threads about it either. So I guess it's fine. | 16:37 |
| cb400f | for some reason it doesn't work with my N9 jack headset (a ton of noise)... but no problems with other headsets | 16:37 |
| intekulan | oh | 16:37 |
| mornfall | hmm, the landscape kbd could be a *little* slimmer... | 16:37 |
| flanag | cb400f: isn't that because of the different arrangement on the plug? | 16:38 |
| cb400f | guess so | 16:38 |
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| aranea | mornfall: How can I mask the ssh service? I don't know much about systemd... | 16:42 |
| Yaniel | systemctl mask sshd.service | 16:43 |
| mornfall | systemctl mask sshd.service methinks | 16:43 |
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| aranea | thanks | 16:43 |
| aranea | can it still be started manually then, or would I have to unmask it before? | 16:44 |
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| osaton | intekulan, no problems. i use it with regular headphones daily | 16:48 |
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| intekulan | osaton: I'm on the ordering page :D | 16:49 |
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| osaton | lastucase review: very nice | 17:01 |
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| intekulan | Order is now complete woo o/ | 17:16 |
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| sledges | intekulan \o/ (no problems with audio jack here whatsoever btw :)) | 17:43 |
| intekulan | good to hear (pun intended) | 17:43 |
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| sledges | *g* | 17:45 |
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| bennypr0fane | guys, who uses sailbox? how can i download entire folders? or do i have to do each file individually? | 17:47 |
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| bennypr0fane | writing on Jolla irc client the first time btw, it's way cooler than i expected | 17:48 |
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| bennypr0fane | i didn't know you could have pulleys on the sides too. | 17:49 |
| bennypr0fane | i think this is the first app to make use of that | 17:50 |
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| s1gk1ll | doesnt make part of the SDK afaik | 17:52 |
| s1gk1ll | the devs probably do that themselves | 17:53 |
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| Niuran | pulleys at the sides would be great in sailfish interface | 18:02 |
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| s1gk1ll | it depends, they/will interfere with basic page navigation | 18:04 |
| Niuran | i think the ambience option is not so important to be at the sides in the main screen | 18:05 |
| Niuran | so they could be used there or in the apps | 18:06 |
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| Niuran | i prefer to allow more than 9 apps in the main screen ,maybe scrolling at the sides | 18:07 |
| s1gk1ll | yes, maybe someone already request that in tjc | 18:08 |
| s1gk1ll | but the "side" stream is kinda a business thing | 18:08 |
| s1gk1ll | we've seen that in MWC demos | 18:08 |
| s1gk1ll | for rovio and makia | 18:09 |
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| Niuran | yes,the ambience was at configuration menu | 18:09 |
| s1gk1ll | imo, these kind of things should be customizable in the future | 18:10 |
| s1gk1ll | as the OS matures, I think it will happen | 18:10 |
| Niuran | possibly | 18:10 |
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| gabriel9|jolla | OK, my jolla just died with led blinking green | 18:38 |
| gabriel9|jolla | what was that? | 18:39 |
| mornfall | blinking grern = busyloop | 18:39 |
| tbr | wasn't that a homescreen restart? | 18:39 |
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| gabriel9|jolla | duno | 18:40 |
| gabriel9|jolla | it was ok, and then green blinking | 18:40 |
| Nicd- | gabriel9|jolla: http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/aliens-meme.jpeg | 18:40 |
| gabriel9|jolla | One of the best. :D | 18:41 |
| Nicd- | green blinking was the giveaway | 18:41 |
| tbr | just how are you going to work the ancient into the aliens? ;) | 18:42 |
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| smokex | with an ancient pyramid or chunk of rock or sth? | 18:44 |
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| gabriel9|jolla | I dont mind aliens uf they fix my Jolla. :) | 18:45 |
| Nicd- | ancient pyramid? it's confirmed: Jolla is the 5th element | 18:45 |
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| gabriel9|jolla | They are lizards | 18:47 |
| keithzg | I'm not saying it was aliens... | 18:49 |
| keithzg | ...but it was aliens. | 18:49 |
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| * chem|st was wondering if there are any eastereggs | 18:59 | |
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| keithzg | Hmm, I feel dumb, thp mentions in http://blog.gpodder.org/2014/01/gpodder-4-on-sailfish-os-progress.html that to run the current version of gPodder 4 from git on Sailfish, one just starts it by "pointing qmlscene at the harbour-org.gpodder.sailfish.qml file". But there's no qmlscene in my path . . . clearly I'm just entirely confused as to how QML-based apps are invoked these days. | 19:00 |
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| merlin1991 | keithzg: /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qmlscene | 19:01 |
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| keithzg | merlin1991: Hmm, really? My /usr/lib/qt5/bin only has qglinfo, servicefw, sfwlisten, xmlpattersn and xmlpatternsvalidator | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | then you're missing a package, gimme a second | 19:03 |
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| merlin1991 | you need qt5-declarative-qmlscene | 19:04 |
| merlin1991 | err qt5-qtdeclarative-qmlscene | 19:05 |
| keithzg | heh yeah I figured *that* out with a quick zypper search qmlscene, which I should've done to start with, durrr. | 19:06 |
| keithzg | Thank you! | 19:07 |
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| thp | keithzg: best is also to grab the latest pyotherside from my obs repo to avoid crashes | 19:21 |
| thp | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/thp:/gpodder/latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/ | 19:22 |
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| thp | which reminds me, i should probably trigger a build of python 3.3.5 there ;) | 19:23 |
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| keithzg | thp: oho, thanks! | 19:27 |
| cvp | any infos about sailchat ? | 19:29 |
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| Grauwolf | hm the mailclient does not check on configured intervalls. is this a known issue? | 19:52 |
| stephg | Grauwolf, yep | 19:58 |
| stephg | think it might be fixed in the upcoming release | 19:58 |
| stephg | (iirc it's a device sleep thing rather than a mail client thing) | 19:58 |
| Grauwolf | i was hoping imap idle would be supported in the upcoming release. already checking every hour or so :F | 19:59 |
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| Grauwolf | oh https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/444493321126563840 | 20:02 |
| stephg | next week yeah | 20:03 |
| Nightmare__ | it's allways "next week" :D | 20:04 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 20:04 |
| Sail0r | maybe they should switch to "when it is done" ;) | 20:04 |
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| Eztran | Well, it'd always be true. | 20:07 |
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| keithzg | Eztran: Not necessarily, for example I've heard of some iOS updates that went out without really being done ;) | 20:10 |
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| Eztran | I was thinking for Jolla specifically, but very true. | 20:12 |
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| Sail0r | update cycles are #unlike but they should take their time :) | 20:16 |
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| cvp | after standard word "soon" comes "next week" :D | 20:29 |
| Quu | valve-tomorrow | 20:34 |
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| FireFly | I'm thinking maybe they should've released a hotfix for the bootloop issue as soon as that was decently well-tested | 20:58 |
| FireFly | Then delaying the regular update cycle wouldn't hurt as much | 20:58 |
| FireFly | But of course, hindsight is 20/20 as they say | 20:59 |
| * FireFly shouldn't complain so much.. | 20:59 | |
| sardini | FireFly, and security update, like libtls | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | a hotfix is fwiw just as tough as a full release | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | especially if it's in lower layers | 20:59 |
| FireFly | All right | 21:00 |
| FireFly | I was thinking it'd be less to test before shipping, or something | 21:01 |
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| cvp | ,,, all speculation.... | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw it's not always just about releasing to users | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | these thing go to factories too | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | rolling back an update online is easy | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | flashed images not so much | 21:08 |
| Sail0r | why was the release postponed Stskeeps? | 21:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Sail0r: why is a release ever posted? wanting to get it right, of course | 21:10 |
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| Sail0r | could be some problems with store maybe :) | 21:11 |
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| flanag | is there a specific issue that is holding you back? | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i think i can motivate people to do post-update analysis of rpm changelogs to understand the hardships we have at times :) | 21:13 |
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| cvp | Stskeeps: can you programming ? | 21:16 |
| Sail0r | new challenges everywhere | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | cvp: yes, i code.. | 21:16 |
| Milo- | this is starting to get very irritating to remove the battery every 2 weeks for 10 minutes to "fix" these random shutdowns. | 21:16 |
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| Sail0r | is there already a known cause for the random shutdowns? | 21:17 |
| flanag | that would be nice to know | 21:17 |
| Milo- | just ended a call and right after pressing the "end call" button, it decided to shutdown for the third time today. | 21:18 |
| Milo- | sadly battery life isn't the issue :/ | 21:19 |
| Milo- | "4,400 questions" in together. 4400 was a good tv show... | 21:20 |
| cvp | Stskeeps: can you tell me how hard is it for you to make for me a application what can connection to my raspberry pi like a Terminal. Mainpage very easy: IP Adress from Raspberry Pi + Username + Password. Coverpage: swipe von left to right send a command like this: "sudo killall ambi-tv" and from right to left: "sudo /home/pi/ambi-tv-master/bin/ambi-tv --button-gpio 3" | 21:21 |
| cvp | ? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | cvp: you could probably easily make that in qml | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | very easily | 21:21 |
| cvp | i dont have any know about programming :( | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | you don't really have to | 21:24 |
| cvp | hmm | 21:24 |
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| Quu | thats how Tieto does stuff too | 21:25 |
| Acce | cvp: it's not hard, so if you like to learn new things, try it! :) | 21:26 |
| cvp | i really want | 21:26 |
| Acce | disclaimer: you might get hooked on it and find yourself working on shitty IT jobs in the future ;) | 21:27 |
| cvp | i try 10000 times to beginn read QT... and 15 minits later .... iam out | 21:27 |
| Acce | have you tried qmlbook.org? | 21:27 |
| Acce | and, the most important thing is to try the stuff at the same time you're reading | 21:27 |
| cvp | no but i save it | 21:27 |
| cvp | is there a site in german ? | 21:28 |
| Acce | that way it stays better in your memory and you get the nice feeling inside when the code works | 21:28 |
| cvp | yeah true | 21:28 |
| Acce | http://meetmeego.org/2011/09/13/tutorial-qt-qml-und-app-entwicklung-qml-verstehen/ | 21:29 |
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| coderus | no rooting for android in jolla? | 21:29 |
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| cvp | acce thank you | 21:30 |
| cvp | and hi coderus :) | 21:30 |
| coderus | hellp | 21:30 |
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| coderus | hello* | 21:31 |
| grzywacz | that makes a difference ;) | 21:31 |
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| cvp | cant find the "Design" button on Qt Creator | 21:53 |
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| cvp | or is this not more need it ? :D | 21:54 |
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| cvp | i read this tutorial: http://meetmeego.org/2011/09/01/tutorial-qt-qml-und-app-entwicklung-%E2%80%93-der-qtcreator/#disqus_thread | 21:54 |
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| M4rtinK | cvp: could be that the QtCreator UI layout changed since then | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | cvp: on the other hand, I write all my QML by hand anyway :) | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | cvp: and don't even actually use QtCreator :) | 22:00 |
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| Nightmare__ | as far as i know, there is no designer in qt creator from sailfish sdk | 22:11 |
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| cvp | hm , and how can i see the resutat if i edit main.qml ?7 | 22:18 |
| Sail0r | run it on the sailfish emulator | 22:18 |
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| cvp | lol | 22:20 |
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| cvp | my first 360 x360 pixel hello world :D | 22:20 |
| Acce | cvp: grats ;) | 22:23 |
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| cvp | the wis the .... i mean ... is the ... | 22:31 |
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