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| mornfall | ok, the z | 08:29 |
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| mornfall | swiping very quickly works... but the gesture bug is otherwise very common now | 08:30 |
| mornfall | alreaxy happened twice in the last hour | 08:31 |
| mornfall | also with a stable connection | 08:32 |
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| ggabriel | happy update week :P | 09:31 |
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| stephg | ETA! | 09:34 |
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| gabriel9|work | early march :D | 09:35 |
| inffy_ | this week | 09:36 |
| inffy_ | :) | 09:36 |
| inffy_ | enuff said | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | march is still in nappies | 09:37 |
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| chem|st | mornfall: swiping got back to normal for me after it rebooted on its own^^ | 10:09 |
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| AL13N_work | lbt: ping | 10:47 |
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| AL13N_work | i'd like to get gdisk added to mer-tools. i built on-device and tested it and i got it working. i can probably do the work for mer, but wiki said something about first needing to create a repos for the new package | 10:48 |
| AL13N_work | is there anyone else active on mer repositories except lbt? | 10:49 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: tbr: maybe? | 10:49 |
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| lbt | AL13N_work: pong | 10:52 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: please get it building on OBS. | 10:52 |
| lbt | basically ^^ :) | 10:52 |
| lbt | use your home project area | 10:52 |
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| pp_ | this apparently should be relevant but doesn't seem to be that active: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/sailfishos:/chum:/1.0.3.8/1.0.3.8_armv7hl/ | 10:53 |
| tbr | pp_: because nobody submits to it. :-( | 10:53 |
| pp_ | :-( | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | latest timestamp last week | 10:54 |
| tbr | though with gdisk being GPT targeted I guess it might have merit to get it into mer-tools instead. I'll leave the pondering to lbt and Stskeeps though. | 10:54 |
| lbt | AL13N_work: which gdisk ? upstream url? | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | define "not active" | 10:54 |
| pp_ | yea, nobody seems to have rebuild mosh for 1.0.3.8 either | 10:54 |
| lbt | tbr: yes - I wondered that | 10:54 |
| tbr | oh, I could push mosh in there real quick | 10:54 |
| tbr | just a sec | 10:54 |
| lbt | isn't mosh in mer-tools ? | 10:54 |
| pp_ | maybe it appeared there, wasn't there originally | 10:55 |
| ballock | is there a diff to mosh that it needs a rebuild against 1.0.3.8? | 10:55 |
| Mnsu | anyone tried the buteo-caldav package from that chum repo? | 10:55 |
| lbt | it's not | 10:55 |
| Nicd- | tbr: mosh is available as a package for jolla? :o | 10:55 |
| pp_ | I'd assume the 1.0.2.5 mosh wouldn't appear magically in 1.0.3.8? | 10:55 |
| pp_ | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/sailfishos:/chum:/1.0.2.5/1.0.2.5_armv7hl/armv7hl/ | 10:55 |
| lbt | pp_: we (ie all of you!) need to figure out how to make chum work | 10:56 |
| tbr | Nicd-: sure is, has been since day one | 10:56 |
| lbt | it's not anyone's "job" .. it's community ... and that means you :) | 10:56 |
| tbr | pp_: I just SR'd it to 1.0.3.8:testing | 10:56 |
| lbt | pp_: so we should have a way to ensure that when someone (me) creates a new chum:XYZ then we validate packages against the testing repo and promote them | 10:57 |
| Nicd- | tbr: ooh, I'll have to try it | 10:57 |
| lbt | also has an improved fingerterm in chum | 10:57 |
| pp_ | usually it'll probably just build and work, but someone (the community) needs to do basic sanity testing | 10:58 |
| lbt | correct | 10:58 |
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| tbr | mosh is now in 1.0.3.8:testing | 10:58 |
| lbt | and we have to track that sanity testing has been done | 10:58 |
| pp_ | community pushes some karma like in fedora via some magical system | 10:58 |
| tbr | I'll give it a go and then promote it | 10:58 |
| pp_ | and karma has "some" issues | 10:58 |
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| pp_ | (e.g. in fedora people giving +1 since the package works after they got some deps manually, and package autopushed to updates :-) ) | 10:59 |
| Nicd- | tbr: is it in mer-tools? do I need to install some other repo? | 10:59 |
| tbr | no it's NOT mer-tools | 11:00 |
| tbr | currently it's manual adding | 11:00 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: gptfdisk http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/ & http://sourceforge.net/projects/gptfdisk/ | 11:00 |
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| tbr | hopefully in the future jolla will be a bit more inclusive, but that also needs some community work | 11:00 |
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| AL13N_work | lbt: i haven't used the OBS before, i'll go check it out | 11:01 |
| Venemo_j | hi | 11:01 |
| Nicd- | tbr: are there instructions anywhere to install it? | 11:02 |
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| vandenoever | is there a way to browse the jolla app store without a jolla phone? | 11:02 |
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| chem|st | vandenoever: nope | 11:04 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: btw: i noticed that some gits are empty (like parted), is this because it's not migrated yet? | 11:04 |
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| vandenoever | chem|st: ok, thanks | 11:04 |
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| chem|st | vandenoever: at least not yet | 11:04 |
| lbt | AL13N_work: which git link? | 11:04 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: you recognized the comment about parted and stuff that even not altering anything (just open the program) can brik your device to oblivion?! | 11:06 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/parted.git;a=summary | 11:06 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: sure | 11:06 |
| chem|st | ok | 11:06 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: any partitioning can do this | 11:06 |
| AL13N_work | if you don't know this, you should do this :-) | 11:06 |
| lbt | AL13N_work: we're re-arranging mer-tools (and mer) git repos | 11:06 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: yes, i know | 11:06 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: ehrm you did not understand, just running a partitioning program not doing anything can brick it! | 11:07 |
| lbt | for now they're at https://github.com/mer-tools/ | 11:07 |
| AL13N_work | what's the new locations? also the same gitweb? | 11:07 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: rainisto mentioned this about sfdisk or cfdisk, i don't remember which | 11:07 |
| chem|st | parted... | 11:07 |
| AL13N_work | well, i don't like parted, tbh | 11:07 |
| chem|st | lol | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | and the parted that is in mer-tools doesn't have GPT support anyway | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | if i run it, it tells me the gpt is broken of /dev/mmcblk0 | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | so i didn't trust it | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | and manually checked with hexdump | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | the gdisk i've rebuilt works perfectly and gives all 28 partitions and labels | 11:08 |
| lbt | AL13N_work: I think I'd rather change the parted config | 11:09 |
| lbt | build config | 11:09 |
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| chem|st | lbt: I think that is exactly what was said is not a good idea | 11:09 |
| AL13N_work | that's fine for me... but since fdisk and the likes are on mer-tools, i figure why not the gdisk tools... | 11:09 |
| chem|st | let me find it again... | 11:10 |
| lbt | OK ty | 11:10 |
| AL13N_work | https://together.jolla.com/question/32050/have-gdisk-available-in-mer-tools-repository/ | 11:10 |
| AL13N_work | "We are not adding partition tools in the device as it can easily cause a non-recoverable brick that even care flasher cannot recover (some versions of sfdisk can brick the device even if you dont save your changes). We don't want to start shipping devices back to the factory for factory reflash. " | 11:10 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: you were right he said sfdisk... | 11:11 |
| lbt | AL13N_work: I honestly think we should remove some of them | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: that's fine too :-) | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: just fdisk and gdisk are enough, all the others can disappear for all i care :-) | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | atm, i don't trust parted (and i've not used it before) | 11:11 |
| AL13N_work | anyway, it's more for partitioning the mmcblk1 µSD | 11:12 |
| lbt | so the way I'd resolve this is to look to the kernel block device people | 11:12 |
| lbt | see what they consider to be the de-facto userspace tool | 11:12 |
| AL13N_work | i have a feeling this is where religious wars come in :-) | 11:13 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: sure | 11:14 |
| lbt | that's why I'd use the kernel devs opinion and not mine :) | 11:14 |
| chem|st | also how dragons are born... | 11:14 |
| AL13N_work | anyway, imho, it doesn't need to be on-device if you don't like, but i see no troubles in having it in mer-tools (something one needs to add manually anwyway) | 11:14 |
| lbt | mer-tools is the right place for the canonical partitioning tool | 11:14 |
| lbt | chum for any alternatives | 11:15 |
| AL13N_work | ic | 11:15 |
| lbt | mer-tools if people really really want more than one and will maintain it | 11:15 |
| AL13N_work | is this a repos you can enable on-device too? | 11:15 |
| lbt | yes | 11:15 |
| chem|st | as I want to backup the previous state of my uSD anyways and there are no 64GB spare space left on device, I do what everyone does... I remove the uSD and do it with my desktop... | 11:15 |
| lbt | and, afaik, jolla would enable the full mer-tools repo | 11:16 |
| AL13N_work | my brother in law doesn't have a PC anymore and uses jolla for all computer related tasks :-) | 11:16 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: so how do you backup your stuff, repartition, and pull your stuff back in? | 11:17 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: ic, so the mer-tools has reviewing and such, while the others don't | 11:17 |
| lbt | jonni may pull out 'dangerous' packages known to interact badly with mmc etc - but IMHO that should not be in main mer-tools either. I've heard stories about s?fdisk too | 11:17 |
| lbt | AL13N_work: well - more eyes and more of a sense of an individual repo maintainer (me) | 11:18 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: the µSD is still empty, and i'm gonna use it as a snapshot receive endpoint for the mmcblk0 and likely for my build chroots, and then i'll backup this when plugging in with usb to my pc | 11:18 |
| lbt | but I still need help/advice - eg chem|st's comments on sfdisk are really helpful (ty!) | 11:18 |
| chem|st | hmm you make no sense... | 11:19 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: i assume you mean me, i sometimes have difficulty explaining myself | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | i used to think about btrfs balancing on the mmc and µSD, but after talking with the btrfs people, it doesn't seem like a good idea atm | 11:21 |
| AL13N_work | so, the mmc backups to the µSD and the µSD to the pc, automatically when the usb is plugged in | 11:22 |
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| AL13N_work | all of this goes via btrfs snapshot send/receive | 11:24 |
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| AL13N_work | lbt: i figured mer-tools was alot more people in community, isn't nemo built on mer anyway? | 11:26 |
| lbt | yes to both | 11:27 |
| lbt | but some projects are more managed | 11:27 |
| AL13N_work | ah | 11:28 |
| lbt | so Carsten decides what goes in mer-core - but you can persuade him | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | i take bribes and beer | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 11:28 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: hehe - trying not to disturb you | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: fosdem next year | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: so , you decide on mer-tools? | 11:29 |
| lbt | yep | 11:29 |
| lbt | but 'decide' ... I more put try to put together a rational way to run it and then use those rules | 11:30 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: well, whatever you end up deciding, i don't really care, but some kind of GPT partitioner would be nice... since exfat should be only on GPT IIRC | 11:30 |
| lbt | eg - don't put dupes in since they suck up scarce resources | 11:30 |
| lbt | I totally agree - it's high on the list | 11:30 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: i'd say, get rid of cfdisk and sfdisk, but they are probably in the same project as fdisk anyway | 11:30 |
| lbt | I also agree with you there too | 11:31 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: this reminds me, i'd like to have gstreamer rebuilt with some more options, and subpackages | 11:31 |
| AL13N_work | you probably wont like that | 11:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: have an opinion on the canonical partitioning tool? parted? | 11:32 |
| AL13N_work | in particular gst-plugin-xvid would be nice :-) | 11:32 |
| lbt | AL13N_work: I don't know much about gstreamer builds | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: distribution jenga, some things use sfdisk, some things use parted | 11:33 |
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| AL13N_work | lbt: any idea who does kernel and extra kernel modules? | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a part i'd like to shake the barley too much on | 11:33 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: sure - so long as we have gpt support | 11:33 |
| AL13N_work | i'd like cachefiles module, so i can cache my NFS/CIFS mounts | 11:33 |
| AL13N_work | well, i'd like to try it | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_work: together.* | 11:33 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/32508/nfs-caching/ | 11:34 |
| AL13N_work | i can build alot of stuff on my own, but kernel modules i'm a bit shaky on... | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | i mean... i'm using this phone as a phone too | 11:37 |
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| AL13N_work | lbt: btw, if you or someone else knows about the building of stuff on the device... i wonder why the device is listed as "armv7l", but i need to specify "armv7hl" target to get a correct build | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_work: https://xkcd.com/927/ | 11:39 |
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| pp_ | AL13N_work: if you have kernel source installed it's not too bad | 11:42 |
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| AL13N_work | pp_: not yet, but i have a build chroot, so i can probably install it there, (if it's availble and i don't need to take into account hw adaptations) | 11:44 |
| pp_ | something like echo "obj-m := mymodule.o" > Makefile; make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=`pwd` | 11:44 |
| AL13N_work | pp_: i don't know if cachefiles is a standard kernel module, but i thought so | 11:45 |
| pp_ | seems to be | 11:45 |
| AL13N_work | ok then, then i could probably try that... but won't there be an issue about module not having the same compiler, or magic, or kernel name, etc... | 11:45 |
| pp_ | well, kernel-devel from the installed kernel is typically needed | 11:46 |
| pp_ | (could be that it's just not available) | 11:46 |
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| AL13N_work | i haven't checked... i'll look into it tonight (my lunch break is over) | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | pp_: thanks | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: well, yes, but i donno if armv7l is actually compatible, the kernel seems to be armv7l but all packages are armv7hl ? | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | at least uname -a shows armv7l | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | i would guess having everything armv7hl would be better, but there might be reasons for this | 11:48 |
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| AL13N_work | (cause i've seen some things about armv7tnhl too | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | at the very least the rpm macro build options differ for those armv7* archs | 11:49 |
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| coderus | Hello there! | 13:02 |
| coderus | =) | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | m00 | 13:02 |
| coderus | i'm getting permanent "Update available" notification for Tweetian | 13:03 |
| coderus | clicking on it opening Store, it says there is update available, but after clicking "Update" button "waiting" state foreveer | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | I had that for a while too | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | went away on its own | 13:06 |
| coderus | pkcon update says there are no updates available | 13:06 |
| Nicd- | I wouldn't suggest using pkcon update | 13:07 |
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| louisdk | Hi. I've used two scripts called n9export and jollaimport to import call history and sms logs. What will happen if I import a new backup (N9 still in use as my main phone) will I then get calls and sms logs double on the Jolla? | 13:56 |
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| tbr | oh, didn't know there was such a thing :D | 13:58 |
| flux | louisdk, you could look at the scripts if they deal with duplicates.. my guess is yes, you would get duplicates. | 13:58 |
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| pawky | Am I the only one thinking it's a bit annoying newly fetched mail you delete, still will show up as unread on the main mail account summary screen? | 14:07 |
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| ottulonen | pawky: nope | 14:11 |
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| louisdk | flux: And I did at least the smses. Is it possible to delete all smses and call history? | 14:34 |
| flux | no idea | 14:34 |
| flux | but, if you need to that multiple times, perhaps it's easier to remove the old stuff from the exported files and only then import them | 14:35 |
| flux | they were just text files, weren't they? | 14:35 |
| flux | possibly even with a key allowing to sort the lines by time | 14:35 |
| louisdk | flux: That's too late now. I already got duplicates. | 14:37 |
| louisdk | The messages is stored somewhere. It should be possible just to delete the folder. | 14:41 |
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| roboro | flux: sqlite3 .local/share/commhistory/commhistory.db | 14:46 |
| roboro | that's where all your messages and call history are stored | 14:47 |
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| roboro | try: select * from Events | 14:47 |
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| roboro | I guess if you want to nuke your entire commhistory you could try to mv commhistory.db | 14:48 |
| roboro | not sure what this does to your phone though :D | 14:48 |
| roboro | equally... you could delete * from Events | 14:49 |
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| pp_ | they're doing something on the update server! 1.0.3.8 is available as an update (for 1.0.3.8!) | 14:49 |
| roboro | etc etc | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | that's been going on since january | 14:50 |
| roboro | heh | 14:50 |
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| louisdk | Is it possible to reboot the Sailfish UI without rebooting the hole phone? | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | try restarting lipstick, but unsure really | 14:54 |
| Yaniel | with systemctl probably | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | what's the worst that can happen? :D | 14:54 |
| roboro | ggabriel: ... it restarts with the message: Welcome to your Jolla brick... | 14:55 |
| roboro | :D | 14:55 |
| louisdk | ggabriel: That I have to reconnect to ssh.. | 14:55 |
| roboro | meh... phone doesn't take long to reboot... reconnect to ssh is easy... I would reboot the whole phone | 14:56 |
| louisdk | roboro: - Please go to ebay for cheap prices on mortar ;) | 14:57 |
| roboro | louisdk: that's an android feature... contextual and relevant advertising... provided by Google | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: oh, I see, so it restarts ssh too | 14:58 |
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| louisdk | roboro: Renaming commhistory.db worked. | 14:59 |
| roboro | yeah... should nuke your entire commhistory... | 14:59 |
| roboro | I guess you could selectively delete the items that you want to... with a little bit of sql using sqlite2 | 15:00 |
| roboro | s/sqlite2/sqlite3/ | 15:01 |
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| louisdk | Hmm. I miss less. | 15:04 |
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| roboro | louisdk: install it | 15:06 |
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| louisdk | pkcon install less - not found and doing a name search for it doesn't come closer. | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's in mer-tools | 15:08 |
| louisdk | It doesn't look like my contacts are stored in commhistory.db | 15:09 |
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| narchie | ohijärvi whenm | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | when it's ready | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | lakes weren't made in a day | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:27 |
| narchie | well allright | 15:27 |
| narchie | I hope the crashing will be fixed | 15:27 |
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| Yaniel | I hope jolla is faster making lakes than the ice age though | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | we work on the timescale of gods | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:31 |
| Gordon` | yay, first unwanted reboot of the day! (and since I hard-reseted) | 15:33 |
| narchie | Gordon` gz :) | 15:33 |
| narchie | I've not had one today | 15:33 |
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| Gordon` | before the reset, I couldn’t use the phone, because each time I enabled the sim card, it halted | 15:34 |
| Gordon` | so, it’s a great news that I could use it for half a day | 15:34 |
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| Gordon` | anyway, I truly hope that the update will definitely fix it | 15:35 |
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| Gordon` | I also hope I will be able to know that soon :) | 15:38 |
| Gordon` | can any sailor give a release date for the update? :) | 15:39 |
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| FireFly | Last I've heard is "this week" | 15:51 |
| FireFly | initially about the last week, but towards the end of it postponed to mean this current week | 15:51 |
| FireFly | so hopefully any day now | 15:51 |
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| mornfall | friday night would be my guess :p | 16:05 |
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| chem|st | Gordon`: you might want to consider to use it as a phone atm, that reads as a phone only! I am using it without using connections or any apps not needed and had no reboot since I was trying stuff __with__ connections | 16:16 |
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| chem|st | Gordon`: I can understand that people want to use a Jolla like it is expected of it but what they need to understand is that this is not gonna happen till the next Soon(TM)-Lakeshore is filled (and even then we have no idea how stable that is yet, might be another dodgy beta... calling it stable doesn't let magic happen and make it stable) | 16:19 |
| Gordon` | chem|st: in fact, before the hard reset, everything worked, except when I enabled my SIM card | 16:19 |
| chem|st | hehe ok that is completely mirror to what I have... | 16:20 |
| chem|st | nothing works but GSM | 16:20 |
| chem|st | even messaging rebooted my phone once | 16:21 |
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| chem|st | I think I managed to crash or have no service of everything but the phone function itself but even that I cannot tell for sure and to be precise, I had no audio once so even that would not work out like expected... | 16:24 |
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| ggabriel | oh, that must be it | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | my network is 3g only | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | perhaps that's why i don't get those reboots | 16:28 |
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| mornfall | hmm, connection error spam, airplane mode evt stopped it but restoring connections left 3g permanently disabled... | 16:39 |
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| ggabriel | i get the 3g perm disabled until reboot | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | but manual reboot | 16:40 |
| AL13N_work | damnit, i keep getting UI hangs when i tried to use notifications to see what SMS people have sent | 16:42 |
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| AL13N_work | is there an issue on this on together, i couldn't find one | 16:43 |
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| mornfall | eh | 16:45 |
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| AL13N_work | i should also note that i never had these UI hangs < 1.0.3.8 | 16:49 |
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| mornfall | uh-oh | 17:20 |
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| mornfall | so when I hit 20% of battery today, I got a reboot loop with a charging screen showing intermittently | 17:21 |
| mornfall | pulled it out for 20 minutes, it shows 23 % now | 17:21 |
| mornfall | (this happened shortly after the manual reboot after I got connection-problem-spammed) | 17:22 |
| mornfall | I'm starting to think that the OS is falling to pieces over the last week or so... | 17:23 |
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| inffy | there is a update coming this week | 17:23 |
| mornfall | well, the stability has been steadily getting worse since 1.0.3.8 and it's been bordering on hopeless this last few days | 17:25 |
| mornfall | as if something was deteriorating | 17:25 |
| mornfall | but whatever it is, it comes with a wide and bizzare scale of effects | 17:26 |
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| mornfall | first time I noticed gestures not working might have been mid-February, it happened 3 times today | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | yeah, that one's annoying | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | luckily the device boots quite quickly | 17:27 |
| mornfall | same with the other stuff, it's becoming a daily thing, before if it showed up once a week or a fortnight? | 17:27 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: well, if you are out of signal's reach and you have a journey planner open, good luck rebooting :P | 17:28 |
| mornfall | (happened yesterday) | 17:28 |
| ggabriel | well, yeah | 17:28 |
| mornfall | the browser doesn't cache anything just to be on the safe side :P | 17:28 |
| ggabriel | i usually save as pdf anyway | 17:28 |
| ggabriel | but undertsand that sometimes that's not possible | 17:29 |
| mornfall | well, yeah, I could print it, but why bother with a smartphone then :-) | 17:29 |
| ggabriel | oh, print as pdf then | 17:29 |
| ggabriel | i don't even trust my n9 to stay on all times | 17:29 |
| mornfall | well, it was a two hour trip and I had it memorized anyway, but it's still annoying | 17:30 |
| ggabriel | it is indeed | 17:30 |
| mornfall | reboots may be fast but the SW is not reboot-resilient | 17:30 |
| mornfall | it also loses GPS fix, which can take a while to come back | 17:31 |
| ggabriel | yup | 17:31 |
| ggabriel | i notice that the maps application usually instigates my breaks | 17:31 |
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| mornfall | hmm, I don't really use here maps, rather stick with offline android maps :-) | 17:31 |
| ggabriel | ugh | 17:32 |
| ggabriel | android is never offline | 17:32 |
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| ggabriel | anyway | 17:32 |
| ggabriel | did you try using 3g only? | 17:32 |
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| mornfall | no I mean an android app on jolla, they have offline maps | 17:33 |
| mornfall | that I can actually use with data connection disabled | 17:33 |
| ggabriel | fair enough | 17:33 |
| mornfall | until someone sorts out roaming charges in the EU, I'm not rich enough to stay online all the time | 17:33 |
| ggabriel | there is a kind of fix for that going on already | 17:34 |
| ggabriel | my network gives me free roaming in a few countries | 17:34 |
| ggabriel | even outside the EU | 17:34 |
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| mornfall | well, I pay 3.50 for data | 17:37 |
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| mornfall | I'd pay 7 if it'd get me some (even limited) roaming capability | 17:38 |
| ggabriel | i pay 6.90 for the whole deal (gbp) :P | 17:38 |
| ggabriel | not ulnimited tho | 17:38 |
| mornfall | me neither, I don't really eat that much mobile data | 17:38 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, we have good deals in EU | 17:38 |
| ggabriel | compare to the US and you'll feel better ;-) | 17:39 |
| mornfall | (I *only* pay for data, voice is entirely on-demand) | 17:39 |
| ggabriel | mine includes voice too, hence the double price | 17:39 |
| ggabriel | voice is also included in the roaming deal | 17:39 |
| mornfall | well, in the US it's usually not the case that you habitually spend time in 3 different countries every week | 17:39 |
| ggabriel | nope, but they do have interstate roaming iirc | 17:39 |
| mornfall | oh, now that must suck | 17:39 |
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| mornfall | even a dual-sim phone wouldn't save me :D | 17:40 |
| mornfall | yeah, good idea :) bbl | 17:40 |
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| Gordon` | second reboot of the day \o/ | 17:50 |
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| narchie | Gordon`: just had 3 within 5 minutes | 17:50 |
| narchie | so I'm in the lead | 17:51 |
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| Gordon` | well done :D | 17:52 |
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| CoderCandy | Is the reboots the norm these days? | 17:54 |
| CoderCandy | Are* | 17:54 |
| CoderCandy | It feels like we all get it :( | 17:54 |
| Gordon` | another reboot | 17:55 |
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| Gordon` | beware, narchie :D | 17:55 |
| Gordon` | YAY, another, as soon as I enter my lock code \o/ | 17:56 |
| Gordon` | narchie: we’re equal now | 17:56 |
| CoderCandy | Gordon`: I get that too half the time. | 17:56 |
| Gordon` | a fourth! | 17:57 |
| mornfall | yeah, something has a halflife in the jolla | 17:57 |
| Gordon` | okay, fuck it. | 17:57 |
| mornfall | Gordon`: had to pull out the battery an hour ago myself :) | 17:57 |
| mornfall | Gordon`: reboot loops don't count :P | 17:57 |
| Gordon` | :( | 17:57 |
| Gordon` | that’s not a loop | 17:57 |
| Gordon` | I can enter my PIN+lock code, then it reboots | 17:57 |
| mornfall | well, I could get as far as IRC in my "loop" | 17:57 |
| CoderCandy | Have we gotten any clues to why the reboots keep happening? | 17:57 |
| mornfall | but I never finished a sentence | 17:58 |
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| Gordon` | and, of course, if I skip the PIN code (so my SIM card is inactive), no reboot | 17:58 |
| Gordon` | well, that’s not like phone was an important feature for a… phone | 17:58 |
| CoderCandy | haha | 17:59 |
| Gordon` | one day after a hard reset, and it’s as unusable as before… | 17:59 |
| narchie | oh dammit | 17:59 |
| mornfall | I don't even have a PIN code... it's been years since I had one. | 17:59 |
| CoderCandy | I don't think I've gotten the reboot problem during charging | 18:00 |
| mornfall | Gordon`: what do you mean a hard reset? | 18:00 |
| mornfall | CoderCandy: I wasn't charging though | 18:00 |
| narchie | Gordon`: how much does your battery% usually drop | 18:00 |
| mornfall | nothing connected to the phone, just displayed the charging screen anyway | 18:01 |
| CoderCandy | No, but it means I'll be stable for a while | 18:01 |
| Gordon` | about 2% per reboot | 18:01 |
| narchie | mine just dropped from 48%->16% | 18:01 |
| Gordon` | mornfall: it’s an option in the recovery menu | 18:01 |
| CoderCandy | I love the power sockets on trains | 18:01 |
| mornfall | mine just went from 17 to 18... (...) | 18:01 |
| mornfall | (still disconnected) | 18:01 |
| narchie | now on the latest reboot it went 16%->22% | 18:01 |
| narchie | magic | 18:01 |
| CoderCandy | What, you guys can actually use the phones at < 50%? | 18:02 |
| mornfall | anyway, I suspect my reboot "loop" was triggered by the power saving mode that is enabled at 20% | 18:02 |
| Gordon` | that’s unlike \o/ | 18:02 |
| narchie | :D | 18:02 |
| CoderCandy | My phone only works for a few minutes under 50 | 18:02 |
| CoderCandy | If I do nothing that is | 18:03 |
| narchie | Man, I really would've kept the maadajävri | 18:03 |
| narchie | not a single unwanted reboot | 18:03 |
| mornfall | narchie: I didn't have any for a week after the update either, though | 18:03 |
| Gordon` | narchie: you can downgrade with a hard reset | 18:03 |
| CoderCandy | narchie: I have maadajärvi | 18:03 |
| Gordon` | (be sure to backup all your data) | 18:03 |
| mornfall | narchie: so it might be something drifting off with time, not triggered by the update | 18:03 |
| narchie | Yeah I would but seeing as ohijärvi is coming it doesn't make sense to me anymore :P | 18:04 |
| Frye | My phone worked 3 days straight below 50% | 18:04 |
| Frye | No issues | 18:04 |
| Yaniel | and then it hit 0% ? | 18:04 |
| Frye | No I connected the charger at 16% | 18:04 |
| Frye | And it's still up and running :D | 18:04 |
| Gordon` | (I hope some sailors will read this. Ping phaeron?) | 18:04 |
| CoderCandy | Lucky bastard | 18:04 |
| Frye | Took it off from charger yesterday and now batteri is showing 94% | 18:04 |
| Yaniel | no issues here either | 18:04 |
| Frye | Although it's on very light use. | 18:05 |
| mornfall | Frye: any 3G at all? | 18:05 |
| CoderCandy | I wonder what's the cayse of the issues... | 18:05 |
| Frye | Nope | 18:05 |
| Frye | only wifi on that one | 18:05 |
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| CoderCandy | cause* | 18:05 |
| Yaniel | I use both wifi and 3g | 18:05 |
| Frye | I still don't have the search functionality for e-mail to use it as primary | 18:05 |
| mornfall | well, yeah, wifi is low power | 18:05 |
| mornfall | 3G will suck your battery dry in 16 hours | 18:06 |
| mornfall | especially if you keep it enabled on a train :-) | 18:06 |
| Frye | Well that's 8 more than on iPhone | 18:06 |
| Yaniel | still pretty good IMHO | 18:06 |
| phaeron | best bet now is to try the 10 minute battery out trick and wait for next update. | 18:06 |
| CoderCandy | mornfall: I doubt 3G will suck my battery dry anytime soon on this train | 18:07 |
| mornfall | CoderCandy: well, probably no if the train has a repeater | 18:07 |
| CoderCandy | mornfall: the train has a charger. | 18:07 |
| Gordon` | phaeron: did work for my first boot-loop (about 20 minutes after upgrading to 1.0.3.8), but not for standard reboots | 18:07 |
| mornfall | CoderCandy: well, yes, obviously I could attach the phone to a charger semi-permanently, but that sorta defeats the point | 18:08 |
| mornfall | even on a train without sockets, it'd probably run for a week from the laptop's battery if I only used it to charge the phone :P | 18:09 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, I know | 18:09 |
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| CoderCandy | I'm just being a smartass | 18:09 |
| CoderCandy | Anyway, how's the news on next update? | 18:09 |
| mornfall | last week I heard it was next week :-) | 18:10 |
| CoderCandy | Well, not news perhaps, but rumours? | 18:10 |
| mornfall | the week before that too, though | 18:10 |
| CoderCandy | Ah, ok. | 18:10 |
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| CoderCandy | I wonder if jolla really have a fix though... | 18:11 |
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| CoderCandy | I mean, if they did it'd probably warrant a hotfix update | 18:11 |
| mornfall | well, it's getting pretty hot, yeah | 18:12 |
| Frye | How about a cold (boot) fix :D | 18:12 |
| mornfall | so a fully worked out fix is unlikely to exist | 18:12 |
| mornfall | they might be testing something that "might" work | 18:12 |
| CoderCandy | I want in on the testing squad :p | 18:12 |
| mornfall | pulling out the battery makes things better apparently | 18:12 |
| mornfall | at least for a while | 18:13 |
| CoderCandy | It can't be LESS stable than what I got now | 18:13 |
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| mornfall | CoderCandy: yeah, well, I thought that yesterday too, but I was wrong :P | 18:13 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm? | 18:13 |
| mornfall | it's a lot less stable today than it was yesterday | 18:13 |
| mornfall | I only rebooted 2 or 3 times yesterday to fix gestures | 18:14 |
| CoderCandy | And you're in the testing squad? | 18:14 |
| mornfall | nope | 18:14 |
| mornfall | what's the testing squad? | 18:14 |
| mornfall | I have 1.0.3.8 like most folks... | 18:15 |
| CoderCandy | An imaginary group of people I just created | 18:15 |
| CoderCandy | That get testing updates from jolla | 18:15 |
| mornfall | well, yeah, public RCs would be more than welcome | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: well, you're assuming it's imaginary.. | 18:15 |
| mornfall | there was an option to enable developer updates somewhere in settings | 18:16 |
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| CoderCandy | Yeah, I never got it to work though | 18:16 |
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| mornfall | but it says you need special rights | 18:16 |
| mornfall | probably top secret | 18:16 |
| CoderCandy | Stskeeps: wait, there IS testing squad? | 18:16 |
| mornfall | CoderCandy: but you can only apply if your phone never crashes :D | 18:16 |
| CoderCandy | -.- | 18:17 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: is there a secret bugtracker, too? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | no, we just have the internal jolla one | 18:18 |
| CoderCandy | What's the point on testing a crash-fix update on non-crashing phones? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's like watching the matrix, but very boring | 18:18 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: what is it, BZ? | 18:18 |
| mornfall | I know BZ has ill repute, but it's actually pretty good... | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | bz | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | we have people who can code bz, so.. :P | 18:18 |
| mornfall | also, BZ has this magic feature called access controls :P | 18:19 |
| smokex | and the red pill just kills you in this case | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: there's nothing that blows up community relations than 'access denied to bug' | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | +more | 18:19 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: c'mon, we do it all the time | 18:20 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: I would counter that nothing blows up community relations more than the quagmire that is askbot | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | ouch :) | 18:21 |
| tbr | mornfall: everything is better than TMO | 18:22 |
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| tbr | while TJC has quite many people going AOL! AOL! in the comments of more popular topics, it's not _that_ bad | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | AOL? | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:23 |
| mornfall | tbr: the problem with TJC is that it's not a bugtracker, and if you need a bugtracker, it's just plain frustrating | 18:23 |
| tbr | sure | 18:24 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: AOL! meaning "me too" "this important" "fix plox" type posts, preferably all caps. | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | have you seen the android bugtracker.. | 18:25 |
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| Quu | fix plox | 18:25 |
| tbr | I'm subscribed to some IPv6 bugs on the AOSP tracker and it's a bit tumbleweedish | 18:25 |
| mornfall | I mean, with "normal" OSS I can do a fair amount of debug work, and I can get a feedback loop to narrow things down... | 18:25 |
| mornfall | it works over mailing lists too, but TJC doesn't work like one either | 18:26 |
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| tbr | mornfall: here you can too, it's just less obvious, because you can go to upstream directly (mer/nemo) in most cases | 18:26 |
| mornfall | tbr: possibly, yeah, but upstreams don't usually appreciate hunting down bugs that turn out to be in 3rd party code afterall | 18:27 |
| tbr | same people | 18:27 |
| mornfall | what I guess is most missing is a place where power users could get guidance on what info to provide, in what form, etc. | 18:28 |
| tbr | less obvious, as I said | 18:28 |
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| mornfall | tbr: same people, but it still sucks to clutter mer's bugtracker with (possibly) lipstick bugs (unless lipstick is getting merged into mer I guess) | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | it might | 18:31 |
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| tbr | mornfall: what I agree here though is that Jolla sucks from a community organisational perspective. it's a lot of "organizing by chaos" and "set of the pants" | 18:31 |
| mornfall | so yeah, saying that sailfish is "basically" mer and mer is OK with that is an option, I wouldn't object to that | 18:31 |
| smokex | *seat | 18:31 |
| tbr | especially in those areas that don't directly contribute to shipping a product | 18:32 |
| tbr | smokex: thanks, missed the a :) | 18:32 |
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| chem|st | just some quakeIIIarena memory popped into my head... you took the lead | 18:46 |
| chem|st | do I get anything for that? | 18:46 |
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| chem|st | tbr: mornfall you are free to take over bugs.maemo.org faik | 18:48 |
| tbr | lulz | 18:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | I saw some status changes on bugs I was subscribed to me in the last week. | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | This surprised me | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | ^bmo | 18:52 |
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| mornfall | so what happens when I do a system upgrade while having (dependency) broken packages installed on the phone? | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | The CPU melts and pours out of the earphone socket. | 18:56 |
| Frye | =) | 18:56 |
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| mornfall | \o/ Wrote: /home/nemo/rpmbuild/RPMS/armv7hl/harbour-weight-log-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it have moving averages? | 18:59 |
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| grzywacz | I was pondering if I should write a weight meter app. Just stand on the screen and let it read it measure it. ;> | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif | 19:00 |
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| mornfall | SpeedEvil: yes, but only one and no settings :) | 19:01 |
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| mornfall | don't even remember the window | 19:01 |
| mornfall | also, it's been in the store for over a month now I think :-) | 19:01 |
| mornfall | but the SDK is too broken and I didn't have time to fight it out with the phone proper | 19:02 |
| mornfall | so I couldn't upload a trivial update | 19:02 |
| mornfall | also, Mer OBS doesn't do anything at all, for all I can tell... | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Properly dealing with weight for women is even more complex - as you really need to take into account variation in weight with the menstrual cycle | 19:02 |
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| mornfall | SpeedEvil: I'll need to get another Jolla first | 19:05 |
| mornfall | don't forget pregnancies | 19:05 |
| Frye | Also pitch of their voice matters | 19:06 |
| stephg | joking aside I use Weight Log mornfall | 19:06 |
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| mornfall | let's see what happens, I have submitted a phone-built RPM to harbour :-) | 19:16 |
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| mornfall | you know folks, if you fixed the dependency mess around GLESv2 (mesa v. libhybris), building on the phone could be the default mode of operation, no need to muck around with VMs in the SDK | 19:17 |
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| mornfall | stephg: :-) | 19:23 |
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| hge | :) | 19:23 |
| mornfall | stephg: https://github.com/mornfall/harbour-weight-log | 19:24 |
| mornfall | (I just pushed to github from the phone, cool huh...) | 19:24 |
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| stephg | cool thx | 19:27 |
| mornfall | stephg: now you can fix it and send a pull request :) | 19:27 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: yes I know, andre did not just leave us, he left his spirit to reasign bugs^^ | 19:28 |
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| chem|st | grzywacz: that would work with a resistive screen, or you calibrate the area you touch to a specific weight for capacitive screens | 19:29 |
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