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| Lara21 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 00:03 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, the Nokia X doesn't have UMTS Band IV support? Oh well, there goes my vague hopes of getting one and putting Mer/Jolla on it. | 02:42 |
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| Sail0r | http://www.jollausers.com/2014/02/mwc-video-iprotoxy-multi-sensor-and-oled-otherhalf-demo/ | 07:14 |
| flux | regardless, jolla on those nokias would be an interesting development :) | 07:14 |
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| Sail0r | for everyone you can read german: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Intelligente-Rueckseiten-fuers-Jolla-Phone-Sailfish-OS-auf-Android-Geraete-portiert-2123107.html | 07:39 |
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| tehdely | i will just clear my throat a bunch, angrily | 07:44 |
| tehdely | and pretend i am reading it | 07:44 |
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| Sail0r | hehe | 07:47 |
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| madk | I'll do nothing and pretend I'm reading it. | 07:49 |
| flux | google translate doesn't actually butcher it. | 07:49 |
| flux | well, unless you try to translate it directly to Finnish | 07:49 |
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| kimmoli | Sail0r: thanks for the video | 08:00 |
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| Natalia18 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 08:03 |
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| stephg | man these bots are tiresome | 08:09 |
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| AL13N_work | stephg: yes | 08:18 |
| ggabriel_ | hi | 08:18 |
| stephg | it's the fact they're crossing channels also | 08:18 |
| AL13N_work | yo | 08:18 |
| stephg | morning | 08:18 |
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| ggabriel_ | so, i took my jolla out again yesterday | 08:18 |
| ggabriel_ | and at some point it was doing crazy stuff | 08:18 |
| ggabriel_ | msyncd was going nuts | 08:18 |
| AL13N_work | stephg: i've seen it in almost all my channels | 08:18 |
| ggabriel_ | had to close all my applications (~10) | 08:18 |
| stephg | ggabriel_, boo | 08:19 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel_: hmm, what happens if you have a 10th app? isn't there only room for 9 in homescreen? | 08:19 |
| ggabriel_ | it seems like when it's out of wlan, it can go crazy | 08:19 |
| stephg | define 'crazy' tho | 08:19 |
| stephg | ah the connman loop | 08:19 |
| ggabriel_ | AL13N_work: no, it stays open and it appears on the screen | 08:19 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel_: i've restarted connman.service a couple of times | 08:19 |
| ggabriel_ | stephg: well, i didn't have a loop or anything - the phone was swapping, and the gallery for instance was using ~40% cpu and it wasn't being used | 08:20 |
| ggabriel_ | loads of applications using cpu for no apparent reason | 08:20 |
| ggabriel_ | i closed all down, msyncd worked for a bit more, and then it went back to normal | 08:20 |
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| ggabriel_ | i'm suspecting that maps starts to break things | 08:21 |
| ggabriel_ | i may wait until the next update to test further ;) | 08:21 |
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| AL13N_work | i would suspect that any app that somehow has something related to network would be using cpu due to the connman reconnect loop | 08:27 |
| ggabriel_ | so the reconnect loop happens even though you don't get connection errors? | 08:30 |
| chriadam | ggabriel_: hrm, could be a bug in gallery. if facebook image sync causes a change, gallery will attempt to download the thumbnail for that image. | 08:30 |
| ggabriel_ | i don't have facebook | 08:30 |
| ggabriel_ | but even the phonbook was using a lot of cpu for no reason | 08:30 |
| ggabriel_ | phonebook* | 08:30 |
| ggabriel_ | or people application | 08:30 |
| chriadam | well in that case, ignore what I said ;-) | 08:31 |
| chriadam | people app will use cpu -- msyncd will sync contacts from google (and facebook, which you don't have) which will cause model updates in teh people app | 08:31 |
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| chriadam | plus, as you get network connectivity going up and down, contactsd will also be storing presence information updates from google chat xmpp | 08:31 |
| chriadam | which again will cause model updates and so forth in people app. | 08:31 |
| ggabriel_ | ok, fair enough | 08:32 |
| ggabriel_ | i do have 3 xmpp accounts | 08:32 |
| ggabriel_ | so that may explain the people's application behaviour | 08:32 |
| chriadam | in short, connectivity changes are pretty disruptive. this should get better after the next update, as a lot of work went into that, I believe. | 08:32 |
| ggabriel_ | yeah, hence i'll just wait | 08:32 |
| ggabriel_ | as all the strange stuff happens the minute i leave the wlan | 08:32 |
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| Sail0r | http://www.jollaes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IMG_0120-1024x682.jpg | 08:36 |
| Sail0r | http://www.jollaes.com/blog/ | 08:37 |
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| sharpneli | Sail0r: Considering that the url is JollaES I somehow expected completely different kind of cans ;p | 08:39 |
| Sail0r | :P | 08:39 |
| Sail0r | marc dillion in action at mwc in the video | 08:40 |
| Sail0r | -i | 08:40 |
| ggabriel_ | yeah, he's about to drop a phone | 08:40 |
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| ggabriel_ | loads of mktg | 08:41 |
| Sail0r | crash test dummy maybe | 08:42 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 08:42 |
| ggabriel_ | yeah | 08:43 |
| ggabriel_ | i'm flinging mine in the same way and it isn't easy | 08:43 |
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| ggabriel_ | fwiw https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:1.0.4.1/page:1/ | 09:13 |
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| ggabriel_ | doesn't look too promising tho.... | 09:14 |
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| tabasko_ | smpc client for mpd is nice. Streaming music doesnt work thought.. | 09:21 |
| tsukimori | mpd clients commonly don't stream audio | 09:22 |
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| tsukimori | you could try the internet radio app for that | 09:23 |
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| HtheB | is it possible to edit/change settings for my exchange account? | 09:23 |
| HtheB | I couldn't find the SMTP settings.... | 09:24 |
| HtheB | ugh nevermind | 09:24 |
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| HtheB | stupid pulley menu | 09:24 |
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| joonahoi | ggabriel_: what doesn't look too promising?) | 09:25 |
| joonahoi | looks pretty good to me | 09:26 |
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| HtheB | why put some things in the pulley menu, and some things not | 09:26 |
| HtheB | O_o | 09:26 |
| rangoy | ggabriel_: to few changes? hope it's not complete yet | 09:27 |
| hene- | was there any news about when next update will be released? | 09:28 |
| ggabriel_ | it doesn't look promising as there is no caldav in there, no paid store | 09:28 |
| ggabriel_ | and there are a lot of other changes (to email, to comms) that aren't tagged | 09:28 |
| ggabriel_ | hopefully it's just mistagging... | 09:28 |
| ggabriel_ | misstagging even | 09:28 |
| joonahoi | if you had actually looked into the tagged posts, you would have noticed that they are tagged by single user, and the source for the taggings are one single youtube video posted to jollasuomi forums | 09:28 |
| Sail0r | hene-: march | 09:28 |
| joonahoi | that is: only the stuff that's shown on user video from mwc has been tagged | 09:29 |
| ggabriel_ | joonahoi: thanks | 09:29 |
| HtheB | there are many things missing from sailfish OS :( | 09:29 |
| hene- | Sail0r, ok | 09:29 |
| tsukimori | if they say they are dropping the beta tag I'd assume a lot has happened | 09:29 |
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| rangoy | "Rest assured, it will be a feature rich release extending landscape mode to more apps, new functionality in Camera, WLAN tethering and lots of visual and performance improvements." https://together.jolla.com/question/29506/official-announcement-the-next-update-release-is-in-early-march/ | 09:31 |
| ggabriel_ | yeah, me wants caldav and paid store :) | 09:31 |
| Sail0r | I miss the "many bugfixes" part | 09:31 |
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| ggabriel_ | it'd be nice it that was tagged | 09:31 |
| ggabriel_ | performance improvement = may include bugfixes | 09:31 |
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| HtheB | I hope 4G will be available for real | 09:32 |
| HtheB | without manually changing it from cli | 09:32 |
| pp_ | now the version number will also sync with months! | 09:33 |
| HtheB | or, that app | 09:33 |
| ggabriel_ | erm | 09:33 |
| ggabriel_ | using 4g/lte now is not cool | 09:33 |
| Sail0r | in my opinion performance improvment is not bugfixes :-/ | 09:33 |
| HtheB | ggabriel_: why not? | 09:33 |
| ggabriel_ | Sail0r: key word "may" | 09:33 |
| ggabriel_ | HtheB: because it may be buggy, you may flood the mobile network, and they may blacklist _all_ jollas, not just yours | 09:33 |
| Sail0r | yep sorry typed faster then reading | 09:33 |
| ggabriel_ | HtheB: also, jolla asked the community not to use that hack | 09:34 |
| ggabriel_ | Sail0r: :D | 09:34 |
| HtheB | then they should hurry and bring the f'ing lte support :P | 09:34 |
| ggabriel_ | HtheB: that's not the way it works | 09:34 |
| HtheB | otherwise Vodafone NL wouldn't like Jolla's lol | 09:34 |
| Sail0r | I don't need lte ^^ | 09:34 |
| ggabriel_ | there's the concept of responsibility here | 09:34 |
| HtheB | Sail0r: I do, I have 4G included in my contract :p | 09:35 |
| HtheB | so, why not make use of it | 09:35 |
| ggabriel_ | same with security: you find a flaw, you don't tell the world straight awya, you get it fixed first | 09:35 |
| ggabriel_ | because it isn't finished? | 09:35 |
| ggabriel_ | and the reaons I stated above | 09:35 |
| HtheB | ggabriel_: they are going to remove the beta... | 09:35 |
| HtheB | so I hope it WILL be available :) | 09:35 |
| ggabriel_ | yes, when they do that, and *if* lte is available, then you can use it | 09:35 |
| HtheB | otherwise: Still beta :/ | 09:35 |
| HtheB | the hardware is there... | 09:35 |
| ggabriel_ | think about folks who may get blacklisted because of you | 09:35 |
| ggabriel_ | sigh | 09:35 |
| ggabriel_ | device drivers aren't easy to code fwiw | 09:36 |
| HtheB | ggabriel_: do I care? :p | 09:36 |
| Sail0r | ... | 09:36 |
| ggabriel_ | well..... | 09:36 |
| HtheB | :D | 09:36 |
| ggabriel_ | i'll remmeber that next time you need help *shrug* | 09:36 |
| HtheB | they cant just "ban" jolla's... | 09:36 |
| pp_ | you might end up breaking laws enabling 4g :-) | 09:36 |
| ggabriel_ | yes they can | 09:36 |
| Sail0r | why not? | 09:36 |
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| ggabriel_ | that's exactly why jolla asked peeps not to use lte | 09:36 |
| Sail0r | they can ban you from using lte | 09:36 |
| ggabriel_ | pp_: +1 | 09:36 |
| HtheB | they cant ban here in the Netherlands :) | 09:36 |
| ggabriel_ | i mean, it's happened in the past | 09:36 |
| ggabriel_ | they can | 09:36 |
| HtheB | there are laws and stuff :) | 09:36 |
| ggabriel_ | if you break the network | 09:37 |
| ggabriel_ | no | 09:37 |
| HtheB | ggabriel_: I work at vodafone | 09:37 |
| Sail0r | it's their network | 09:37 |
| ggabriel_ | so, you have no clue then | 09:37 |
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| Sail0r | and to protect the network they can ban the jollas | 09:37 |
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| Sail0r | that's what everybody would do | 09:37 |
| ggabriel_ | if a certain type of device is messing with the network performance, the ywill blacklist that type | 09:37 |
| ggabriel_ | it's obvious | 09:37 |
| HtheB | ggabriel_: thats against the law here in the Netherlands :) | 09:37 |
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| ggabriel_ | source? | 09:37 |
| HtheB | let me look it up for you | 09:38 |
| ggabriel_ | k | 09:38 |
| * ggabriel_ getting tired of this subject, it's getting old | 09:38 | |
| Sail0r | I am sure they find a reason why to ban something from their network ^^ | 09:39 |
| Sail0r | or technical difficulties | 09:39 |
| ggabriel_ | yeah, just want to put that across | 09:39 |
| Sail0r | happens sometime | 09:39 |
| Sail0r | xD | 09:39 |
| ggabriel_ | one thing is banning people just because, another thing is protecting infrastructure | 09:39 |
| ggabriel_ | it has happened in the past, of course | 09:39 |
| ggabriel_ | and it makes sense, things may malfunction | 09:39 |
| HtheB | ggabriel_: but there is already a 'maximum' speed and stuff over here | 09:39 |
| HtheB | you can't apss it | 09:39 |
| HtheB | pass* | 09:39 |
| ggabriel_ | HtheB: i don't think you get how mobile networks work | 09:40 |
| ggabriel_ | nobody's talking about speed | 09:40 |
| ggabriel_ | i'm talking about the layer 1 and 2 protocols | 09:40 |
| HtheB | explain pls | 09:40 |
| ggabriel_ | i'm not an expert, but refer to gsm related topics in the last ccc | 09:40 |
| ggabriel_ | and you'll leran a little | 09:40 |
| ggabriel_ | refer to ccc 26 (I think), how to flood a cell | 09:40 |
| ggabriel_ | those kind of things | 09:41 |
| ggabriel_ | you enter a strange loop, you leave a cell unusable for hundreds/thousands of subscribers | 09:41 |
| HtheB | but if it's THAT easy, people would already do such things with other hardware hacks | 09:41 |
| ggabriel_ | they _will_ ban your device and anything similar | 09:41 |
| ggabriel_ | HtheB: it's that easy, yes | 09:41 |
| ggabriel_ | if you know what you're doing | 09:41 |
| ggabriel_ | but using lte on a non cerified device isn't cool because you can easily run into one of those situations | 09:41 |
| ggabriel_ | and they will ban you | 09:41 |
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| HtheB | for what I know of, not the device itself, but the mobilephone number can be banned :) | 09:42 |
| Sail0r | 30c3 had also problems with vodafone phones ^^ | 09:42 |
| HtheB | you need a contract | 09:42 |
| HtheB | for 4G | 09:42 |
| Sail0r | *vodefone cells | 09:42 |
| ggabriel_ | HtheB: i'm not talking about phone numbers | 09:42 |
| tsukimori | you can always try to auth on the network | 09:42 |
| tsukimori | that is traffic too, even if the auth fails | 09:43 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 09:43 |
| HtheB | I didnt know about that! | 09:43 |
| tsukimori | prefectly legitimate traffic even | 09:43 |
| ggabriel_ | your "mac address" is the imei iirc | 09:43 |
| Sail0r | every vendor has a imei range as far as i know or not? | 09:43 |
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| HtheB | to be honest, I''ve never heard about banning here in the NEtherlands | 09:43 |
| Sail0r | so they can simply ban that range | 09:43 |
| ggabriel_ | apologies if i sound harsh, but this is a topic that may affect everybody | 09:43 |
| HtheB | they don't even ban stolen phones | 09:43 |
| chem|st | HtheB: you can DOS a cell tower without even being registered on the network iirc | 09:44 |
| ggabriel_ | stolen phones is different | 09:44 |
| ggabriel_ | they don't put at risk the infrastructure | 09:44 |
| HtheB | ggabriel_: they do in Turkey :p | 09:44 |
| pp_ | anyway, before you're certified you should be talking to a basestation inside a special room | 09:44 |
| ggabriel_ | you can ban a car manufacturer from selling cars if the wheels sudenly come off | 09:44 |
| pp_ | (or have a cable instead of an antenna) | 09:44 |
| ggabriel_ | they do i na lot of places, but this issue is different | 09:44 |
| ggabriel_ | pp_: that's correct | 09:44 |
| HtheB | in other words: GIVE US LTE JOLLA! :P | 09:45 |
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| ggabriel_ | we'll get lte soon enough | 09:45 |
| chem|st | HtheB: soon(tm) | 09:45 |
| HtheB | chem|st: rofl | 09:45 |
| HtheB | chem|st: www.htheb.com | 09:46 |
| gabriel9|work | does jolla support opengl es 3 | 09:46 |
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| chem|st | HtheB: I prefer having EDGE stable everywhere instead of LTE sometimes | 09:49 |
| HtheB | we dont have edge here in NL | 09:49 |
| HtheB | instead of edge, i prefer HSPA+ | 09:50 |
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| AL13N_work | i probably won't have much access to 4G anyway... | 09:55 |
| AL13N_work | this reminds me, how difficult would it be to have a phone nr blacklist? | 09:58 |
| AL13N_work | probably not that difficult | 09:58 |
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| HtheB | does anyone know if Jolla supports Dual-carrier HSPA? | 09:58 |
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| Ana25 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 10:03 |
| tobiski | oh you | 10:05 |
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| HtheB | wtf man | 10:08 |
| HtheB | :/ | 10:08 |
| HtheB | NSFW guys :) | 10:08 |
| HtheB | and I thought it was some new Jolla features :( | 10:09 |
| tobiski | wasn't me who posted that link :D | 10:09 |
| tobiski | it was a bot | 10:09 |
| HtheB | guess so | 10:09 |
| tobiski | it has been dropping in for a while now | 10:09 |
| tsukimori | about two or three times a day | 10:09 |
| HtheB | why not ban it? | 10:09 |
| tsukimori | always a different ip/nick | 10:10 |
| HtheB | :( | 10:10 |
| tobiski | ban every 67.* ips! :D | 10:11 |
| HtheB | rofl | 10:11 |
| bencoh | :] | 10:11 |
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| HtheB | well, if they can all Jolla's, why not ban 67.* :) | 10:13 |
| HtheB | lol | 10:13 |
| HtheB | ban all Jollas * | 10:13 |
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| Turski | why not just set +R here? | 10:19 |
| tobiski | would probably solve the problem indeed | 10:20 |
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| kimmoli | hmm. pogos in S5 too ?? http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/article_images/2014/02/galaxy-s5-03_0.jpg | 10:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | They are not uncommon in phones. | 10:44 |
| tbr | that's a typical debug arrangement though | 10:45 |
| SpeedEvil | What's uncommon is actual docs | 10:45 |
| SpeedEvil | And software to be able to use them. | 10:45 |
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| kimmoli | agree... | 10:47 |
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| dunp | http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022983919_fordblackberryxml.html | 11:22 |
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| GentSir | dunp: I guess anything is better than Microsoft | 11:24 |
| dunp | :D | 11:24 |
| ggabriel_ | not sure about that | 11:24 |
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| GentSir | I was actually really excited for the Q10 and BB10 in general, and I have never owned a Blackberry. But then it just floundered. | 11:24 |
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| ggabriel_ | i'm hopeful | 11:25 |
| ggabriel_ | maybe i'll get a q10 one day | 11:25 |
| GentSir | The hardware is middle of the road at best, but that keyboard is amazingly well done | 11:25 |
| ggabriel_ | i don't really care about hw | 11:25 |
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| ggabriel_ | maybe it's middle of the road if you run android | 11:25 |
| GentSir | I would absolutely love to see a properly done keyboard Other Half though | 11:25 |
| GentSir | ggabriel_: Yes, the QNX based OS does a very good job of taking advantage of the hardware | 11:26 |
| GentSir | That's what I meant | 11:26 |
| jlevente | hey guys | 11:26 |
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| jlevente | it seems i have a little problem with a jolla phone | 11:26 |
| jlevente | and i have not found any solution on the web | 11:27 |
| ggabriel_ | stop apologising and state the problem ;-) | 11:27 |
| jlevente | yep :) | 11:27 |
| jlevente | so it does not boot at all. i try to enter recovery mode but i get ERROR: invalid boot image header | 11:28 |
| jlevente | could not do normal boot, reverting to fastboot mode | 11:28 |
| jlevente | i use ubuntu 12.04 lts | 11:28 |
| ggabriel_ | how did this happen? | 11:28 |
| jlevente | and it is not recognized as an ethX or usbX | 11:28 |
| ggabriel_ | and what version of sailfish are you on? | 11:28 |
| jlevente | i'm not sure. it's not my phone unfortunately | 11:29 |
| ggabriel_ | doesn't quite work like that in fastboot iirc | 11:29 |
| ggabriel_ | did you try factory recovery? | 11:29 |
| ggabriel_ | or factory reset i should say | 11:29 |
| jlevente | the guy who owns it said he could use it for only a few minutes and "something" happened | 11:29 |
| ggabriel_ | sounds like bs and he bricked it | 11:29 |
| gabriel9|work | ouch | 11:29 |
| gabriel9|work | what did you do? | 11:29 |
| ggabriel_ | try factory reset, if that doesn't work then care@jolla.com | 11:30 |
| gabriel9|work | did the phone | 11:30 |
| ggabriel_ | it'll cost you to get it reflashed... | 11:30 |
| gabriel9|work | did the phone worked when you take it? | 11:30 |
| jlevente | and how do i perform a factory reset if i can't acces to the phone? :) | 11:30 |
| ggabriel_ | jolla.com/guide | 11:30 |
| jlevente | yeah, it worked for a few minutes | 11:30 |
| ggabriel_ | there's a button combination that you can try | 11:30 |
| leinir | Hmmm... something funky - tell me, the jolla's supposed to have stereo speakers in the base, isn't it? as in, one under each of the grilles? | 11:31 |
| leinir | ...'cos i've sort of only got sound out of one side | 11:32 |
| ggabriel_ | no, it's a mono (single) speaker | 11:32 |
| ggabriel_ | the other one is aesthetic | 11:32 |
| jlevente | but i need to connect the phone to PC for a factory reset, right? | 11:32 |
| ggabriel_ | jlevente: nope | 11:32 |
| jlevente | because somehow i just can't make it work under ubuntu | 11:32 |
| ggabriel_ | unless you have a very old sailfish versoin | 11:32 |
| jlevente | and how can i figure out which sailfish does this phone have? | 11:33 |
| jlevente | i can't see any information on the box | 11:33 |
| ggabriel_ | you can't now as you don't have access | 11:33 |
| ggabriel_ | the phone may have been upgraded | 11:33 |
| ggabriel_ | the box won't change :) | 11:33 |
| jlevente | true that :) | 11:34 |
| jlevente | all right, i try to manage a factory reset somehow | 11:34 |
| ggabriel_ | it was power+volume up or down | 11:34 |
| ggabriel_ | can't remember | 11:34 |
| ggabriel_ | check the guide | 11:34 |
| ggabriel_ | it's in together.jolla.com too | 11:34 |
| jlevente | yeah, there's a combination of vol down and power | 11:35 |
| ggabriel_ | else email care@j.c | 11:35 |
| ggabriel_ | like i said, it'll cost you | 11:35 |
| ggabriel_ | also, if you're in .fi, you can go to any dna store | 11:35 |
| jlevente | unfortunately i'm in hungary | 11:35 |
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| jlevente | thank for now then. i'll give it a try | 11:36 |
| ggabriel_ | good luck | 11:36 |
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| stephg | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-instructions-to-recover-and-reset-device-thats-stuck/ | 11:39 |
| stephg | the Windows instructions should be broadly the same for Ubuntu | 11:39 |
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| dunp | i like linux instructions | 11:43 |
| dunp | its simple and show commands | 11:43 |
| GentSir | dunp: You might enjoy Rootless Root: http://catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/gui-programmer.html | 11:44 |
| GentSir | Eric Raymonds The Art of Unix Programming influenced my development style greatly | 11:44 |
| GentSir | good stuff | 11:44 |
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| dunp | show picturie of woman and ask do you know what shw tniks? :) | 11:45 |
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| GentSir | ggabriel_: Based on that article though, I really do think QNX for in vehicle systems is better than a Microsoft alternative | 11:48 |
| ggabriel_ | GentSir: not disputing that, but don't think m$ is the worst thing ever with crap like android/ios around | 11:50 |
| ggabriel_ | what's the worst of the worst is arguable | 11:50 |
| GentSir | ggabriel_: Microsoft has to be worse than Android. iOS is up for debate. | 11:50 |
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| ggabriel_ | GentSir: android has no multitasking | 11:51 |
| ggabriel_ | i think win mobile has it | 11:51 |
| ggabriel_ | anyway | 11:51 |
| ggabriel_ | i won't use either | 11:51 |
| ggabriel_ | but if an end user asks | 11:51 |
| ggabriel_ | i'd say go with whatever as they are all pretty much the same | 11:51 |
| GentSir | I know Android multitasking is a hack right now | 11:51 |
| GentSir | I personally use an Android phone, it's cheap and does what I need | 11:51 |
| ggabriel_ | in fact, m$ has nokia, so at least you get a decent device | 11:51 |
| ggabriel_ | ios and android can't say the same | 11:52 |
| ggabriel_ | ios runs on marginally better devices than android tho | 11:52 |
| ggabriel_ | (my personal experience tho) | 11:52 |
| GentSir | Only the flagship Android devices can stand up to the iPhone | 11:52 |
| ggabriel_ | i disagree | 11:52 |
| ggabriel_ | they make an effort, yes | 11:53 |
| ggabriel_ | anyway | 11:53 |
| GentSir | Excuse me. Only the flagship Android phones come close to the iPhone. | 11:53 |
| ggabriel_ | that's ok | 11:53 |
| ggabriel_ | mine is an opinion | 11:53 |
| ggabriel_ | i prefer the jolla tho ;) | 11:53 |
| GentSir | Trust me, I'll be getting my hands on a Jolla as soon as I'm able to stateside | 11:54 |
| GentSir | Sailfish is beta and a little buggy, I'm sure the hardware has a few issues. But an open Linux handset is a dream. | 11:54 |
| ggabriel_ | i can vouch for the bugs :) | 11:54 |
| GentSir | Bugs are to be expected | 11:55 |
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| ggabriel_ | but you're in the US, right? | 11:55 |
| GentSir | Yes I am | 11:55 |
| ggabriel_ | there are some folks that already have it | 11:55 |
| ggabriel_ | and a thread in tmo | 11:55 |
| ggabriel_ | best check there for compatibility details and all that | 11:55 |
| GentSir | tmo = T-Mobile? | 11:55 |
| ggabriel_ | talk.maemo.org | 11:55 |
| GentSir | Oh | 11:55 |
| ggabriel_ | long thread full of rant i imagine | 11:55 |
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| ggabriel_ | as US folks really really want it | 11:56 |
| ggabriel_ | but some peeps got it | 11:56 |
| ggabriel_ | and they can report on frequencies and such | 11:56 |
| ggabriel_ | which is important in a phone :) | 11:56 |
| ggabriel_ | unless you want it as a wlan-only mini tablet | 11:56 |
| GentSir | I'd really prefer not to use it on a carrier here until it's more stable and the such | 11:56 |
| GentSir | As you've said, I'd rather not be the reason Jolla devices got a carrier blacklist | 11:56 |
| ggabriel_ | ok, i wouldn't worry if you're on anything that isn't lte | 11:57 |
| ggabriel_ | even in an "unsupported" country | 11:57 |
| GentSir | I've never actually used LTE, ever | 11:57 |
| ggabriel_ | i mean... if the frequency+protocol is supported, you're good to go | 11:57 |
| ggabriel_ | me neither | 11:58 |
| ggabriel_ | eager to try | 11:58 |
| GentSir | I'm in rural Michigan, no real support for it here | 11:58 |
| ggabriel_ | not sure it will live up to the expectations as the internet infra is quite bad in general | 11:58 |
| GentSir | HSPA+ is fine though | 11:58 |
| ggabriel_ | you'll have fewer people to share bandwidth with | 11:58 |
| ggabriel_ | that's 40Mb/s, right? | 11:58 |
| ggabriel_ | it should be quite good | 11:58 |
| GentSir | I'll run speedtest on HSPA+ real quick | 11:58 |
| ggabriel_ | i meant on paper | 11:59 |
| GentSir | Oh yes. I doubt we'll get much LTE here soon. T-Mobile is rolling it out though. | 11:59 |
| ggabriel_ | i've got it included in my plan at no extra cost | 11:59 |
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| ggabriel_ | what a waste | 11:59 |
| ggabriel_ | so i'll try it as soon as jolla is ready | 11:59 |
| ggabriel_ | problem is that it uses more battery | 11:59 |
| GentSir | I got 83ms ping, 4.93Mbps down, 1.63Mbps up on T-Mobile HSPA+ just now | 12:00 |
| ggabriel_ | so if the speed is roughly the same, i'll just stick with 3g/hspa+/3.5g/whatever | 12:00 |
| ggabriel_ | nice | 12:00 |
| ggabriel_ | better than a mate with lte | 12:00 |
| GentSir | I have LTE access in areas T-Mobile has coverage, there's just no coverage right here | 12:00 |
| GentSir | I'm on my home internet connection 99% of the time though | 12:01 |
| GentSir | At least 99% of the time I'm actively online | 12:01 |
| ggabriel_ | :) | 12:01 |
| * ggabriel_ lunch time | 12:02 | |
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| Agatha30 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 12:03 |
| GentSir | ^NSFW | 12:04 |
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| inz | and spam | 12:04 |
| GentSir | Yes, nothing like a healthy dose of spam in the morning | 12:04 |
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| jlevente | meh. no luck with factory reset | 12:04 |
| pp_ | I think the following: /ignore -network freenode -regex -pattern (my_videos69) * PUBLIC | 12:05 |
| pp_ | testing it now | 12:05 |
| ballock | pp_: sounds like it's only solving the problem for your irssi | 12:08 |
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| pp_ | well, putting it in the topic might solve it for more people :P | 12:08 |
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| pp_ | unless a suitable channel mode is found | 12:08 |
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| ggabriel_ | pp_: don't worry, soon they'll start talking to each other | 12:13 |
| ggabriel_ | "oh, hi zoe!" | 12:13 |
| ggabriel_ | "hey, natalia! what you've been up to" | 12:13 |
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| GentSir | ggabriel_: What's the tethering support like on sailfish now? | 12:23 |
| GentSir | Native, or does it require a clunky app? | 12:23 |
| jlevente | i put it on the charger. why does this make the phone trying to boot? | 12:24 |
| jlevente | of course it's getting a bootloop | 12:24 |
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| ggabriel_ | GentSir: user friendly? null, hacking? very good :) | 12:30 |
| ggabriel_ | but i haven't tried myself tbh | 12:30 |
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| GentSir | ggabriel_: I'm a Linux guy, I can deal with not user friendly | 12:30 |
| GentSir | As long as its stable and fast | 12:30 |
| pp_ | command line works very well (especially usb) | 12:30 |
| ggabriel_ | well, i haven't tried that much | 12:30 |
| pp_ | wifi was a power suck | 12:30 |
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| GentSir | I prefer usb for tethering | 12:31 |
| pp_ | http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_do_I_enable_USB_tethering.3F | 12:31 |
| ggabriel_ | i'd only use that :D | 12:31 |
| GentSir | I use PdaNet usb on Android, usb always seems to work best | 12:31 |
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| rangoy | GentSir: tethering can be enabled via an app from store, very easy. works great for bluetooth. haven't tested wifi option yet | 12:42 |
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| rangoy | i think i've heard something about native support in upcomming release | 12:45 |
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| gabriel9|work | is it ok to share something funny here? That spamers remind me on this: http://www.moanmyip.com/ | 13:09 |
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| Zoe18 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 14:05 |
| Nicd- | Zoe18: die | 14:05 |
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| hene- | videos69 - again HC porn? :D | 14:15 |
| ballock | what's HC? | 14:15 |
| hene- | hardcore? | 14:16 |
| svuorela | has anyone received their black/green otherhalfs ? | 14:16 |
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| Sail0r | yep | 14:16 |
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| Sail0r | you will like it :) | 14:22 |
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| svuorela | Sail0r: not as long as the mailman has it | 14:23 |
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| TMavica | Jollagirls seem look nice | 14:35 |
| stephg | ah | 14:36 |
| * stephg ignore steph and his inability to have the right window in focus | 14:36 | |
| Sail0r | lol | 14:36 |
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| TMavica | I never meet a finland girl, they seem look pure and true | 14:40 |
| TMavica | i like it | 14:40 |
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| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:1.0.4.1/page:1/ | 14:52 |
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| kimmoli | oo https://twitter.com/cybette/status/438332066401251328/photo/1 | 15:42 |
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| GentSir | kimmoli: video or gif of that moving? | 15:43 |
| kimmoli | for those you mioght need to wait for evening. wifi at MWC is deep, afaik. | 15:44 |
| GentSir | From the two pictures cybette has on twitter it looks seriously prototype. Very nice to know it's possible though. | 15:45 |
| merlin1991 | GentSir: http://vimeo.com/85450949 | 15:45 |
| Kiranos_ | yea its been really quite, no new news then the press releases that was mad available before MWC :P | 15:45 |
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| kimmoli | it is "serious prototype" | 15:46 |
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| GentSir | kimmoli: It looks functional and everything. The keyboard just looks a tad small and it's rough around the edges | 15:47 |
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| GentSir | Needs a few tweaks before being sent to mass production :) | 15:47 |
| merlin1991 | GentSir: look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 it's a community project not a major company that does that :D | 15:48 |
| GentSir | merlin1991: That's pretty impressive from a community project. It looked like a company lab prototype to me. | 15:49 |
| kimmoli | these parts are "home-printed" | 15:49 |
| flotron | i would dismantle a nokia e7 keyboard :D | 15:50 |
| Milo- | I'd dismantle a nokia e71 keyboard | 15:51 |
| Milo- | e71 > e7 | 15:51 |
| GentSir | I recently retired my E71, best keyboard ever | 15:51 |
| Pnuu | if I'd had the faintest idea what to do, I'd go for my old c6-00 | 15:52 |
| GentSir | The shopped photo on that thread is more what I was imagining for a OH keyboard: http://i.imgur.com/jMYGijl.jpg | 15:53 |
| Pnuu | maybe someone will make that | 15:53 |
| Pnuu | with ä and ö :-) | 15:53 |
| GentSir | What's available is a very functional proof of concept though | 15:54 |
| Pnuu | and why is there mac buttons..? | 15:54 |
| kimmoli | there was really a "push" to get it to the MWC... few sleepsles nights dirkvl making the hw reality (printing and soldering) and me writing the demo-daemon as no native support in kernel atm. | 15:54 |
| GentSir | kimmoli: You're involved with making it? | 15:54 |
| kimmoli | the keyboard part was selected mostly based on the availabilty of these parts as spares in ~100 pcs. | 15:55 |
| kimmoli | i have hacked the current sw, and reviewed hw | 15:56 |
| GentSir | I'm not knocking it, it's very cool | 15:56 |
| kimmoli | åäö etc can be shown on its custom vkb on screen | 15:56 |
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| Crystal25 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 16:04 |
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| merlin1991 | hm I wonder if that is a botnet or always the same ip | 16:06 |
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| Pnuu | different IPs | 16:08 |
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| Sail0r | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhVYOsnIMAAltjp.jpg:large | 17:19 |
| GentSir | The buttons look sorta large enough now that they're actually compared to a human hand | 17:20 |
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| Sail0r | Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhVEsQJCUAAkgDr.jpg:large | 17:21 |
| Sail0r | Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhVFUFICIAAEQ9i.jpg:large | 17:21 |
| Sail0r | the keyboard looks good but the print quality is not that good | 17:21 |
| GentSir | As someone said earlier, those are "homemade" | 17:22 |
| GentSir | Just seeing that it works is pretty cool | 17:22 |
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| Sail0r | yeah i know | 17:22 |
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| Sail0r | keeping the toh black would improve the look i think | 17:22 |
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| GentSir | A nice sanding and plastic dye would do wonders | 17:23 |
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| kimmoli | stl files will be available so you can print them in pink if you like it more :) | 17:23 |
| kimmoli | or in different colors | 17:23 |
| GentSir | kimmoli: You guys are going to publish instructions and specs to make our own? | 17:24 |
| * kimmoli quotes dirkvl "After MWC I will start uploading the parts list, 3D parts, assembly pics etc etc (since we are open source) to make way for future projects." | 17:25 | |
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| Sail0r | :) | 17:25 |
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| GentSir | That's awesome | 17:25 |
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| GentSir | I'm sure the community will come up with ways to fix the rough edges and make it really nice | 17:26 |
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| kimmoli | roughness will be fixed if parts are made in pro printhouse | 17:26 |
| GentSir | kimmoli: What was the keyboard you guys used looted from? | 17:27 |
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| kimmoli | GentSir: took a while, http://images02.olx.com/ui/8/11/27/1282076805_114320427_1-Pictures-of--Item-Motorola-Droid-Android-20-A855-5MP-Camera-3G-1282076805.jpg | 17:34 |
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| mfulz | someone using deezer? | 18:02 |
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| Barbara26 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 18:03 |
| GentSir | Do you guys think we'll see TextSecure on Sailfish? | 18:04 |
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| Sail0r | ui different text | 18:23 |
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| ahmet | Hi | 18:43 |
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| kimmoli | home-screen swipe-left gives angrybirds stuff with ab-toh .hmm... | 18:52 |
| kimmoli | *swipefromleft | 18:52 |
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| kimmoli | partner-space-content | 18:53 |
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| mfulz | is it possible to use the sdcard for android apps? | 19:30 |
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| Eztran | mfulz: yeah, with a bit of tweaking. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92449 | 19:37 |
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| cvp | hello | 19:41 |
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| mfulz | Eztran: tahnk you | 19:43 |
| jake9xx | now that WP is as attractive as living corpse to developers, I would like next to see Apple giving up the fact you need a Mac to develop on iOS | 19:45 |
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| pa | short question: is m.hotmail.com still working as mfe address, or should it be changed to something else? | 19:55 |
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| Mae20 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:04 |
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| mfulz | anyone using play store on jolla? | 20:10 |
| Jope | I had it for a while | 20:10 |
| Nicd- | mfulz: I am | 20:11 |
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| Jope | I use aptoide and sideloading mostly these days | 20:11 |
| mfulz | how did you install it? | 20:11 |
| Jope | only five gapps apks installed so that I can play ingress | 20:11 |
| Nicd- | mfulz: there were instructions in blogs. googling "google play jolla" should help | 20:11 |
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| mfulz | ok thanks | 20:14 |
| mfulz | http://www.jollatides.com/2013/11/29/jolla-how-to-access-google-play/ this one? | 20:14 |
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| juiceme | hmm, maybe a bit odd question, but how do I get GPS coordinates off the device on a console program? | 20:41 |
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| juiceme | What I mean, no fancy QT stuff, just can I connect to a provider socket and get some positioning data from it? | 20:41 |
| juiceme | Now I am not entirely sure how positioning works on tha device, but it is propably something like this; | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | geoclue | 20:41 |
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| juiceme | @Stskeeps, thanks :) | 20:41 |
| juiceme | how do I use it? | 20:41 |
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| Nicd- | mfulz: yes, but do note that the dashes in their commands are wrong | 20:42 |
| Nicd- | rsync -av –ignore-existing should be rsync -av --ignore-existing | 20:42 |
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| mfulz | ah yeah sure | 20:43 |
| mfulz | did it worked | 20:43 |
| mfulz | what files are overwritten from orig jolla? | 20:43 |
| mfulz | something i need to worry about? | 20:44 |
| Nicd- | I don't know but I haven't lost any functionality | 20:44 |
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| mfulz | ok | 20:44 |
| Nicd- | but I'm not going to take responsibility if you break your device | 20:44 |
| mfulz | of course :) | 20:45 |
| mfulz | I'm not going to blame you | 20:45 |
| suy | juiceme: it depends on the gps device, I suppose, but at least for the one I tried, you read from it through a serial port | 20:45 |
| suy | juiceme: there is a gpsd program, too | 20:45 |
| juiceme | on Jolla it looks like there's a provider running; | 20:46 |
| juiceme | nemo 6051 0.0 0.3 7616 2740 ? S 09:52 0:00 /usr/libexec/geoclue-master | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | dbus | 20:46 |
| juiceme | apparently I can get something off it via dbus | 20:46 |
| juiceme | yes | 20:47 |
| juiceme | I gathered that much :) | 20:47 |
| juiceme | any examples to interface with it? | 20:47 |
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| suy | juiceme: if you want the console, install qdbus, and it the tab completion :) | 20:47 |
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| juiceme | hmm I'll try that | 20:48 |
| mfulz | Nicd: is it working fine for you | 20:49 |
| mfulz | ? | 20:50 |
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| mfulz | for me it crashes on installing the app :/ | 20:50 |
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| mfulz | I mean installing an app from out of play store | 20:50 |
| Nicd- | mfulz: it sometimes needed rebooting the phone or just the store | 20:51 |
| mfulz | have tried | 20:51 |
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| mfulz | it works on other apps but on owncloud it crashes ... | 20:51 |
| Sail0r | maybe owncloud needs some special things which are not supported by alien | 20:52 |
| mfulz | I'll try it out | 20:52 |
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| Sail0r | and paid apps have sometimes problems | 20:53 |
| mfulz | I guess its because its payed | 20:53 |
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| mfulz | yep all payed apps are crashing :( | 20:54 |
| juiceme | suy, which is the correct service...? | 20:55 |
| mfulz | damn it | 20:55 |
| mfulz | that's the reason why I wanted play store | 20:55 |
| Sail0r | there was some patch | 20:55 |
| Sail0r | to get the payed apps working | 20:55 |
| juiceme | /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus just lists a whole bunch of stuff, none of which sounds like GPS or location service | 20:56 |
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| pp_ | geoclue | 20:58 |
| Sail0r | mfulz: quer | 20:58 |
| Sail0r | y | 20:58 |
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| suy | pp_: you know if it should have a bus name? because I can't find it either | 20:59 |
| suy | maybe is activated on demand... | 20:59 |
| pp_ | [nemo@localhost ~]$ qdbus org.freedesktop.Geoclue.Master | 21:00 |
| suy | now I got it... I had to open maps, d'oh! | 21:00 |
| ln- | what kind of a communist store is the store, for everything is free? | 21:03 |
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| juiceme | pp_, thanks | 21:08 |
| juiceme | i dont know ow I missed it | 21:08 |
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| Kabouik | What is the OH we see at 0'45" here please? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Intelligente-Rueckseiten-fuers-Jolla-Phone-Sailfish-OS-auf-Android-Geraete-portiert-2123107.html | 21:13 |
| Kabouik | Smart gesture recognition. Found it. :) | 21:14 |
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| kimmoli | Kabouik: iProtoXi made this. lots of sensor-hw inside. "One dot in the middle is the sensor and other three are the IR leds" | 22:16 |
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| Gordon` | last few days, my Jolla had some “fuck off, I’ll reboot every minute” moments… I’m currently having one. I’m home, with Wi-Fi on. Can I be useful collecting some data in order to identify the bug? | 22:17 |
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| Gordon` | if I disable my SIM card (by not entering PIN code at boot), the reboots stop | 22:17 |
| Gordon` | but they start again as soon as I enable my SIM card again | 22:18 |
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| Gordon` | (Wi-Fi connection still works) | 22:18 |
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| Kabouik | Thanks kimmoli | 22:19 |
| Kabouik | Have you noticed that on one of the links you provided, your TOHOLED is described as eInk? It's a subliminal way to remind you how awesome is gonna be that eInk OH. :] | 22:20 |
| Kabouik | (More than some gesture recognition OH, in my opinion) | 22:20 |
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| sledges | Gordon`: can you try a different sim card for starters? | 22:21 |
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| Gordon` | I have another SIM card, but it’s standard SIM :/ | 22:21 |
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| Gordon` | (and I use it in a standard SIM phone, so I doesn’t want to cut it) | 22:22 |
| sledges | Gordon`: prechecks; are you updated to 1.0.3.8 ? | 22:22 |
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| Gordon` | yes | 22:23 |
| sledges | Gordon`: i use these ones http://microsim-shop.com/images/insert.jpg | 22:23 |
| sledges | is there any play when you enter sim? | 22:24 |
| sledges | in the socket, i mean | 22:24 |
| Gordon` | I had that bug the day before 1.0.3.8 got released, then nothing, until a few days ago | 22:24 |
| Gordon` | sledges: nope, it’s well fixed | 22:25 |
| sledges | if you look closely, in the top-left inside the sim receptacle there is a latch (presence detector) | 22:25 |
| sledges | so your sim cannot move around even by half-milimeter? | 22:25 |
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| Gordon` | nope | 22:26 |
| Gordon` | trying to put it off and on again© | 22:26 |
| sledges | ;) | 22:26 |
| sledges | i would suggest to cut another sim using special tool in mobile shops | 22:26 |
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| sledges | for a better measure | 22:26 |
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| sledges | before taking this to the next level (care@jolla.com) | 22:26 |
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| sledges | but for now | 22:27 |
| sledges | if you have developer mode enabled | 22:27 |
| sledges | you can share some logs | 22:27 |
| Quu | or maybe pay for real micro-sim | 22:27 |
| Gordon` | yes, i’im in dev mode | 22:27 |
| sledges | Quu: i think the current sim he's using is a real micro one, so that's out of the way | 22:27 |
| Gordon` | sledges: what kind of logs would you want? | 22:28 |
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| sledges | Gordon`: well best those that happen just before reboot | 22:28 |
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| sledges | could you ssh in? | 22:28 |
| Gordon` | yes, using USB connection | 22:29 |
| sledges | fabulous | 22:29 |
| sledges | so if you devel-su as root | 22:29 |
| sledges | and type `journalctl -f` | 22:29 |
| sledges | (maximise the terminal screen beforehand) | 22:29 |
| sledges | and let the phone sit until it reboots | 22:29 |
| sledges | hope to catch that ;) | 22:29 |
| sledges | surely you need to re-activate SIM now | 22:30 |
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| Gordon` | yes | 22:32 |
| sledges | great | 22:32 |
| sledges | we'll sit and wait now :) | 22:33 |
| Gordon` | and the reboot will happen less than a second later ;) | 22:33 |
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| sledges | will it? ;) | 22:33 |
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| Gordon` | nope T_T | 22:34 |
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| tigeli | pöö | 22:34 |
| sledges | murphy's law ;) | 22:34 |
| Gordon` | indeed | 22:35 |
| sledges | "computer will work perfectly in a repair shop" | 22:35 |
| Gordon` | well, at least I’ll know what to do in order to catch logs for the last time I get this | 22:35 |
| Gordon` | thanks | 22:35 |
| sledges | but im sure yo ucan catch it | 22:35 |
| sledges | yes! :) | 22:35 |
| Gordon` | next time* | 22:35 |
| sledges | pm me with logs once you have them | 22:36 |
| Gordon` | I’ll do | 22:36 |
| sledges | great, then i'll pass them on to the concerned parties ;) | 22:36 |
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| sledges | apologies for the inconvenience this may've caused you :) | 22:37 |
| Gordon` | thanks again | 22:37 |
| Gordon` | (it’s still beta software, so I’d be glad to help) | 22:38 |
| Gordon` | well, I’d still be glad if it was a stable release :D | 22:38 |
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| sledges | and even if it wasn't beta :) this baby needs attention | 22:39 |
| sledges | to grow into a superhero :)) | 22:39 |
| sledges | we can 'do it together' | 22:39 |
| Gordon` | yeah :) | 22:42 |
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| stephg_j | kimmoli_jolla: go to bed! | 22:48 |
| stephg_j | sledges: the 2012 n7 isn't on your list is it | 22:48 |
| stephg_j | I have a 2nd gen one of those but can't seem to find it anywhere online | 22:49 |
| stephg_j | 1st vs 2nd i mean | 22:50 |
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| Oler_42 | hello | 22:50 |
| sledges | stephg_j: isn't on the list? i think it is ;) | 22:51 |
| GentSir | stephg_j: Is the E7 a S60 phone? | 22:51 |
| stephg_j | thought it was the 2013? | 22:52 |
| sledges | vice versa | 22:52 |
| sledges | actually, they are both on the list | 22:52 |
| stephg_j | cool | 22:52 |
| sledges | someone added the 2013 one :D | 22:52 |
| sledges | wiki is a free software you know ;) | 22:52 |
| stephg_j | I have edited a couple of things on thst wiki too in my time ;) | 22:53 |
| sledges | ;) good good | 22:53 |
| sledges | tell me more :) | 22:53 |
| stephg_j | GentSir: N7 not E7 | 22:54 |
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| GentSir | stephg_j: Meant the N7. Looked it up on GSMArena already | 22:54 |
| stephg_j | it was a long time ago and mostly nemoey flashy things for the N9 from what i remember | 22:54 |
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| sledges | stephg_j: n7 was even on the photo from mwc (or you thought it was '13 one?) | 22:55 |
| stephg_j | I thought it was the '13for some reason | 22:55 |
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| stephg_j | oh yes sledges you're right | 22:57 |
| sledges | and there are less red boxes every day ;) | 22:57 |
| sledges | libhybris ftw! | 22:57 |
| stephg_j | I hope all N7s sre the same tho hwwise | 22:58 |
| stephg_j | I'm convinced i got my 2012 just before the 13 was announced and that its faster than the launch 2012 | 22:59 |
| stephg_j | just cant find evidence of that online now | 22:59 |
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| stephg_j | ooh there is alot more green since the last time i looked :) | 23:03 |
| sledges | stephg_j: you can ask alterego , he's the n7 guru ;) | 23:11 |
| stephg_j | cool will do | 23:12 |
| stephg_j | not seen him around much lately actually | 23:12 |
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