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| keithzg | Hmm, maybe I should try and combine my two broken 2012 Nexus 7's, see if I can get a single working one out of it. | 01:05 |
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| ecloud | mjones: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,62755 this is confusing stuff now that I'm back to trying to use touch events directly | 07:15 |
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| mjones | ecloud: what's the problem? | 07:19 |
| ecloud | what is the reason that the MouseArea will drag itself instead of the Flickable stealing the events? different thresholds? | 07:20 |
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| mjones | ecloud: the MouseArea will setKeepMouseGrab(true) and the Flickable doesn't actually try to take the gesture until the event after the one that exceeded the threshold | 07:23 |
| ecloud | so the MouseArea will setKeepMouseGrab(true) immediately without waiting for the threshold, just because it knows that dragging is enabled? | 07:24 |
| mjones | 1. Flickable filters events and notices that threshold exceed - notes that it wants the grab | 07:24 |
| mjones | 2. event is delivered to MouseArea, who also wants grab and calls setKeepMouseGrab(true) | 07:24 |
| mjones | 3. on next move event Flickable notices that someone has already setKeepMouseGrab() so doesn't take the gesture for itself | 07:25 |
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| ecloud | mjones: which place does it call setKeepMouseGrab? does it have to wait for going over its own drag threshold, or does it do it right away? | 07:29 |
| ecloud | because if it waits for the threshold then the behavior would depend on which one has a smaller threshold, the MouseArea or the Flickable, right? | 07:29 |
| mjones | it has to wait until the threshold has been exceeded | 07:30 |
| mjones | Everyone uses the same threshold | 07:30 |
| ecloud | then it depends on the MouseArea having the opportunity to grab before Flickable does? but the flickable gets the event first because it filters child events | 07:31 |
| ecloud | anyway Flickable has a hard-coded threshold of 15 pixels; that doesn't seem right either because it should depend on resolution | 07:31 |
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| mjones | ecloud: everything should be using QStyle::dragThreshold. Where does the 15 pixels come from? | 07:38 |
| ecloud | static const int at top of qquickflickable.cpp | 07:38 |
| mjones | ecloud: that determines whether a flick happens at the end of a drag | 07:40 |
| mjones | and yes, it would be nice if it weren't hard coded | 07:40 |
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| ecloud | mjones: that's easily fixed, but I just have to understand why the mouse area gets dragged before the flicking begins; you say both are waiting for threshold | 07:44 |
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| mjones | ecloud: no one filtering grabs the gesture on the first event that exceeds the threshold. It is the following event that a filtering item may grab the gesture. | 07:46 |
| ecloud | well then both of them see the second event... how are we sure which one wins then? | 07:47 |
| mjones | the guy that calls setKeepMouseGrab(true) first | 07:47 |
| mjones | If the MouseArea is the top item (i.e. mouse grabber), then it will call that on the first event that exceeds the threshold | 07:49 |
| mjones | then when the Flickable filters the next event, the MouseArea has already claimed it permanently. | 07:49 |
| ecloud | so the mouse area grabs right away when the threshold is exceeded whereas the one that filters child events (Flickable) waits for the next event before grabbing, and that's the reason the MouseArea always wins? | 07:52 |
| ecloud | only if the MouseArea's threshold is not greater than the Flickable's threshold | 07:52 |
| mjones | ecloud: yes. and all of our items use the same threshold | 07:53 |
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| ecloud | mjones: ok thanks | 08:05 |
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| Venemo_j | hey | 08:05 |
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| Venemo_j | I hope the march update'll contain wifi improvements | 08:16 |
| Venemo_j | it's very unreliable :( | 08:16 |
| ggabriel_ | i'm losing the side swipes every now and then | 08:18 |
| ggabriel_ | it's quit efun | 08:18 |
| ggabriel_ | "here's a challenge, try to use your jolla without the push gestures" | 08:18 |
| ggabriel_ | challenge accepted | 08:18 |
| Nichope | so only working with an app a time and closing it every time you have to do anything else? | 08:20 |
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| ggabriel_ | kinda | 08:20 |
| ggabriel_ | sometimes you can do cool things by using the event screen | 08:20 |
| ggabriel_ | :P | 08:20 |
| ggabriel_ | altho my last one i had to close applications | 08:20 |
| ggabriel_ | a reboot fixes it though | 08:20 |
| chem|st | Venemo_j: the march upgrade is promised to fix the whole connection fsck-up of 3.8 | 08:22 |
| Venemo_j | chem|st: great news :) | 08:23 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: you mean the connman thing? | 08:24 |
| chem|st | ggabriel_: I tried to write a message, it got unresponsive and said the program is stuck and asked for close or wait, I closed and the screen went black - green led blinking but it recovered with no apps running anymore | 08:24 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: it is not only connman but yes | 08:24 |
| ggabriel_ | chem|st: that's never happened to me :) | 08:25 |
| ggabriel_ | but i had other tings | 08:25 |
| ggabriel_ | things even | 08:25 |
| ggabriel_ | only when in a mobile network tho | 08:25 |
| chem|st | I am actually not sure if it is connman at all... as some may recover with module unloading it might be the drivers | 08:25 |
| ggabriel_ | obviously related to connection | 08:25 |
| chem|st | ggabriel_: yeah I was in mobile network too I think | 08:25 |
| ggabriel_ | never had an issue on wlan tho | 08:25 |
| ggabriel_ | and wlan is much much better now than before, contrary to venemo's (and others') experience | 08:26 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: my thoughts exactly | 08:26 |
| Venemo_j | ggabriel_: the swipe bug is a known issue, yes | 08:26 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel_: login and turn of your router several times with no other connection available^^ | 08:26 |
| ggabriel_ | Venemo_j: i imagined :) | 08:26 |
| ggabriel_ | chem|st: oh man, that's too much of a faff ;) | 08:26 |
| chem|st | all bugs mentioned happened if they happened only once to me | 08:27 |
| ggabriel_ | btw, has anybody roamed with the jolla jet? (and expected the date/time to be updated automatically) | 08:27 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: even if i'm close, i often lose connection to wifi | 08:27 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: you see that does not happen to me that often | 08:27 |
| chem|st | exactly once | 08:27 |
| AL13N_work | well, often is a relative word | 08:27 |
| chem|st | at work with bad reception | 08:28 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: when i tcpdump from both ends, i often see dropped packets and sometimes DUP | 08:28 |
| Venemo_j | ggabriel_: we roamed at fosdem | 08:29 |
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| ggabriel_ | Venemo_j: time changed ok? i noticed that the location didn't change for me (i had to switch the automatic update off/on) | 08:32 |
| ggabriel_ | I roamed from UK to Sweden fwiw | 08:32 |
| ggabriel_ | looking forward to the other way around :D | 08:32 |
| Venemo_j | ggabriel_: it was the same time zone for me | 08:32 |
| ggabriel_ | ok, so maybe it never changed and you didn't notice :D | 08:32 |
| Venemo_j | ggabriel_: ask the Finns if it changed timezone for them | 08:33 |
| stephg | roaming from .uk to .it was fine (incl clock change from the network) | 08:33 |
| ggabriel_ | stephg: ta | 08:33 |
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| ggabriel_ | stephg: latest build? | 08:33 |
| stephg | (though it's a little slower to pick up the networks when you first land) | 08:33 |
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| stephg | certainly than the g/f's N4 | 08:33 |
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| stephg | yep | 08:33 |
| ggabriel_ | cool | 08:33 |
| ggabriel_ | i'll be more patient then | 08:33 |
| ggabriel_ | I think I have it under an hour | 08:34 |
| Venemo_j_____ | this is ridiculous, it disconnected again for no reason | 08:34 |
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| stephg | Venemo_j_____, there will have been a reason, you just don't know what it is ;) | 08:34 |
| Venemo_j_____ | stephg: heh, yeah | 08:35 |
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| stephg | I'll try to be more helpful from now on though :) | 08:36 |
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| Nicd- | anyone else had the problem where jolla loses phone numbers of contacts? | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | I've had it twice now, it just lost all my phone numbers (all other contact details are intact) | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | the contacts are synced from google | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | currently it has restored a few of the numbers (can't find a pattern), without rebooting | 08:41 |
| stephg | Nicd-, don't have google syncing for that (well beyond for XMPP) but do have FB and that's never happened to me | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | but many numbers (like my wife's) are still missing :/ | 08:42 |
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| ggabriel_ | Nicd-: i think that's a feature :) | 08:42 |
| ggabriel_ | "sorry, honey, I didn't call you because my phone lost your number" | 08:42 |
| stephg | ggabriel_, got there before me ;) | 08:43 |
| ggabriel_ | fwiw, didn't happen to me, but i don't use google (thankfully) | 08:43 |
| GentSir | That sounds like a great feature to me | 08:43 |
| Nicd- | that's almost the only number I remember by heart :P | 08:43 |
| Nicd- | so it doesn't help | 08:43 |
| ggabriel_ | remembering numbers by heart? what does that mean exactly? :) | 08:43 |
| GentSir | ggabriel_: Probably that he loves his wife | 08:43 |
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| GentSir | Enough to not forget her number | 08:43 |
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| Nicd- | ggabriel_: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/know+by+heart | 08:43 |
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| ggabriel_ | Nicd-: I was joking :) | 08:44 |
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| chriadam | Nicd-: there's a problem with our app permissions (still - thought we fixed it yesterday, but hitting it again today, it seems - currently investigating) | 08:49 |
| chriadam | Nicd-: will keep everyone informed. | 08:49 |
| Nicd- | chriadam: what does that mean exactly? | 08:50 |
| Nicd- | that the apps can't access the contacts database? | 08:50 |
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| chriadam | it means that after a very small number of queries to the contacts api, Google invalidates the currently valid AccessToken in use by the device | 08:51 |
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| Nicd- | ah | 08:51 |
| chriadam | and a subsequent sync causes the sync adapter to assume that the account is invalid / deleted (and therefore deletes synced data from the device) | 08:51 |
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| rangoy | i've also experienced this.. annoying. hope get the sync right soon :) | 08:53 |
| Nicd- | hope we get carddav and two-way sync soon | 08:54 |
| chriadam | both are being worked on as we speak. | 08:54 |
| chriadam | sorry, caldav and two-way contacts sync. carddav not just yet. | 08:54 |
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| Nicd- | caldav would be nice too | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | when we get caldav and carddav I'm thinking of installing owncloud and ditching google | 08:56 |
| joonahoi | chriadam: the access tokens are supposed to have short life times, but google api provides a way to refresh tokens if expired | 08:59 |
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| chriadam | joonahoi: indeed it does. the issue is that we cache the tokens internally with their original ExpiresIn value. the accounts&sso framework which we use doesn't talk to the remote service (and attempt to refresh) unless the ExpiresIn timeout has been reached | 09:00 |
| joonahoi | hope the big G isn't doing that by purpose | 09:00 |
| joonahoi | ah, i see | 09:00 |
| chriadam | we can force a refresh in software (by overwriting the ExpiresIn time to zero) when hitting these response codes from Google - but that requires a lot of modifications to client apps, which obviously doesn't help right now ;-) | 09:02 |
| rangoy | which framework is in use? | 09:02 |
| joonahoi | yeah, well.. buggers. pretty inconsistent behaviour on G side | 09:02 |
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| joonahoi | or consistent but inconvinient at least | 09:03 |
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| chriadam | joonahoi: no, our fault entirely. well, my fault entirely, to be honest. | 09:04 |
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| chriadam | I messed up when adding the app permissions. | 09:04 |
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| chriadam | it's somewhat annoying that Google started enforcing the permissions more strictly than they used to without sending an email to the affected applicatoins, but c'est la vie. | 09:05 |
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| joonahoi | you live, you learn. at least there's an active effort to get it right. that's what matters. | 09:07 |
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| chriadam | well, what matters is that we don't inconvenience our users too much while we fix it. the appropriate permission is added now, I hope that subsequent requests succeed without requiring logout+re-signin. | 09:12 |
| joonahoi | yeah | 09:14 |
| Nicd- | will it make it to the march update? | 09:14 |
| chriadam | Nicd-: which bit? the fix to the sync adapter so that it doesn't purge data when it hits an auth error? yes, I believe so. The app permission issue was hopefully fixed about 10 minutes ago, via Google developer console. | 09:18 |
| Nicd- | well, I have a user's perspective, so the fix to the bug making the phone lose phone numbers :P | 09:19 |
| ottulo | chriadam: is this the same issue that causes me to need to log in to the google account repeatedly? | 09:20 |
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| ottulo | I only use it for gtalk and gmail, so I haven't lost any data from the device - but it asks me to log in several times per day, even though sometimes it'll still work with gtalk | 09:21 |
| chriadam | ottulo: we've found three separate bugs which can cause that behaviour. the first was in telepathy, should have been fixed in the last update. the second was in the sync adapter, which is fixed in the nex tupdate. the third is due to email -- we're still tracking that one down. | 09:21 |
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| ottulo | chriadam: thanks, good to know it's being worked on | 09:22 |
| chriadam | :-) | 09:22 |
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| jussi | ooh, I see the Jolla price has dropped (a little). | 09:27 |
| jussi | On verkkokauppa.com it is 389 | 09:27 |
| ln- | 389,90 | 09:27 |
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| jussi | ln-: still. 10€ less than the starting price | 09:45 |
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| ln- | 9,10€ less | 09:46 |
| flux | hmm, does the jolla store price include s/h? | 09:46 |
| suosaaski | nah, Verkkokauppa very often has those ,10€ cheaper prices. | 09:47 |
| jussi | suosaaski: really? often they are more expensive I find... | 09:47 |
| suosaaski | Well, I mean, if the recommended price would be for example 489e, verkkokauppa would often have that product for 488,90e, or something like that. | 09:48 |
| suosaaski | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/39175/dqfcg/Apple-iPad-Air-16-GB-Wi-Fi-multimedialaite-valkoinen-MD788 for example iPad Air. | 09:48 |
| jussi | example, go look at price of 4G samsung galaxy tab 8.0 in verkkokauppa and dna. | 09:48 |
| suosaaski | I did not say always, I said often :) | 09:49 |
| jussi | hehe | 09:49 |
| jussi | fair point | 09:49 |
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| suosaaski | http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-arc-jolla/ | 09:51 |
| suosaaski | wicked | 09:51 |
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| suosaaski | but they should make a TOH with compatible theme, too :) | 09:52 |
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| olitree | Valério? | 10:12 |
| sledges | but nothing prevents early adopters now to just add your repo: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/norguhtar:/haze/nemo_mw_armv7hl/ | 10:12 |
| sledges | lol | 10:12 |
| sledges | wrong window | 10:12 |
| bencoh | "woops" :] | 10:13 |
| sledges | but i wanted to tell you all about it as well :D | 10:13 |
| sledges | it's libpurple support in sailfish | 10:13 |
| bencoh | talking about obs and repo, is there any proper way to build "everything" (except jolla's UI) from source (instead of using the jolla SDK vbox, or the mer binary rootfs) ? | 10:15 |
| sledges | building everything somewhere locally will take ages | 10:15 |
| bencoh | yeah, doesn't matter | 10:15 |
| sledges | you can rebuild every package yes, if you can handle dependency headaches | 10:16 |
| sledges | with mersdk | 10:16 |
| sledges | on your pc | 10:16 |
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| bencoh | (I'm used to OE, so this really isn't an issue ;) | 10:16 |
| salami` | bootloop | 10:16 |
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| salami` | y u do dis | 10:16 |
| bencoh | sledges: hm, so mersdk has some better way than fetching/extracting some rootfs beforehand ? | 10:17 |
| sledges | i don't know what you mean by that | 10:18 |
| sledges | mersdk (chroot or also vbox exists) is for building packages, has every tool you need, and would spend ages to get on some other vanilla linux distribution | 10:18 |
| bencoh | "ages" as "ages" to build everything ? | 10:19 |
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| bencoh | or as "ages" to install and set everything ? | 10:19 |
| sledges | the latter | 10:19 |
| sledges | that's why sdk exists | 10:19 |
| sledges | and one chroot command is faster than any other option :) | 10:20 |
| bencoh | it is .... but then part of the process becomes obscure | 10:20 |
| sledges | sailfish sdk has exactly the same component of mer sdk (and then they build qtcreator and emulator interaction on top) | 10:20 |
| sledges | bencoh: mersdk is open source | 10:20 |
| sledges | feel free to examine it :) | 10:20 |
| bencoh | yeah I know :) | 10:20 |
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| sledges | and replicate on other distros ;)) | 10:21 |
| sledges | if you want | 10:21 |
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| bencoh | is there any opensourced script to build the sdk rootfs ? | 10:23 |
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| sledges | yes | 10:25 |
| sledges | a .ks file | 10:25 |
| sledges | :) | 10:25 |
| sledges | but you need sdk itself to build it (chicken and egg :) | 10:25 |
| bencoh | :) | 10:26 |
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| sledges | bencoh: https://img.merproject.org/images/mer-sdk/mer-latest-sdk-rolling-chroot.ks | 10:27 |
| bencoh | well OE/bitbake has some way to bootstrap the host toolchain/rootfs so I thought you'd have find a way, but ... okay | 10:27 |
| bencoh | oh, thanks | 10:27 |
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| sledges | bencoh: don't mix the notions up: sdk rootfs and a rootfs for target that sdk produces | 10:27 |
| sledges | the link above is the former | 10:28 |
| bencoh | I'm talking about the former as well | 10:28 |
| sledges | good | 10:28 |
| sledges | you mentioned bootstrap, got me confused ;P | 10:28 |
| bencoh | sorry :) | 10:28 |
| sledges | mersdk is completely isolated | 10:28 |
| sledges | so does not poison your host | 10:28 |
| bencoh | yeah that's neat (although I suspect most of us use that kind of environment in a vm anyway) | 10:29 |
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| * sledges dislikes VMs | 10:30 | |
| sledges | :) | 10:30 |
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| sledges | open 3 of them and your done for the day :) | 10:31 |
| GentSir | sledges: What do you not like about VM's? | 10:31 |
| sledges | eat up your RAM | 10:31 |
| sledges | so id rather have chroot sdk | 10:32 |
| sledges | and vm emulator | 10:32 |
| sledges | or two | 10:32 |
| GentSir | that makes sense | 10:32 |
| sledges | on a travel laptop | 10:32 |
| bencoh | well I'm usually use qemu/kvm on a server, not on my laptop | 10:32 |
| bencoh | I* | 10:32 |
| sledges | sailfish sdk has minimum two VMs already, but that's ofc for windows and mac peeps out there | 10:32 |
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| bencoh | well to be honest I'd like to avoid the pretty-but-does-stuff-in-your-back VM-based sdk as much as possible ;) | 10:34 |
| ggabriel_ | sledges: uhm... kinda challenging to cross compile on any linux distro tbh | 10:34 |
| sledges | bencoh: you sound paranoid :) | 10:34 |
| ggabriel_ | and doesn't it use 32bit? | 10:35 |
| sledges | ggabriel_: CROSS_COMPILE=/opt/arm/bin/gnu-eabi; ARCH=arm; make :) | 10:35 |
| ggabriel_ | meh | 10:35 |
| sledges | but i see what you mean :) | 10:35 |
| bencoh | hmm, maybe :] ... no I just like clean crossbuild environemnets | 10:35 |
| bencoh | environments* damnit | 10:35 |
| sledges | ggabriel_: it's 32bit yes | 10:35 |
| ggabriel_ | i gave it a quick go with my raspi and it isn't always so straightforward | 10:36 |
| ggabriel_ | so, for 32bit you have the challenge of compat binaries | 10:36 |
| ggabriel_ | not all distros are so good at it | 10:36 |
| ggabriel_ | s/so // | 10:36 |
| bencoh | hm true | 10:36 |
| ggabriel_ | it's fun tho :D | 10:36 |
| sledges | ggabriel_: you mean, when host ist 64? | 10:37 |
| ggabriel_ | sledges: yup | 10:37 |
| bencoh | can be quite a pain on some distros | 10:37 |
| ggabriel_ | i like that the sailfish sdk just works | 10:37 |
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| ggabriel_ | but at the same time there is a lot of stuff happening behind the scenes | 10:37 |
| ggabriel_ | and it isn't necessarily very well documented | 10:38 |
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| bencoh | hmm ... I hoped I only thought that because I just started ... but seems like I'm not the only one :] | 10:38 |
| sledges | never had problems with 64bit host, as chroot is all 32bit (ueven your uname -a changes funnily :D), and from there you can crossbuild | 10:39 |
| bencoh | yeah there is no problem once you chroot | 10:39 |
| bencoh | issues appear if you try using the toolchain from the outside | 10:39 |
| sledges | but i agree with ggabriel_ , that mental stuff kicks in when you need to cross compile x86_64 packages :D | 10:39 |
| sledges | bencoh: yep, that's why we use inside toolchains :) | 10:40 |
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| bencoh | that's ... one way to do it, and prolly the faster, true | 10:41 |
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| * javispedro 's current setup is mersdk with the contents of the sailfishSDK vm untarred on top | 10:43 | |
| bencoh | hmm | 10:43 |
| bencoh | doesn't seem pretty :p | 10:44 |
| sledges | javispedro: \o how are you? | 10:44 |
| javispedro | hi! | 10:44 |
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| sledges | probably he is having sailfish target to compile against - the power of mer sdk - targets are all in their separate directories bencoh ;) | 10:44 |
| javispedro | enjoying the freshness of 10h of sleep, after some stressful days of sleeplessness =) | 10:45 |
| sledges | niice, nothing can beat that :) | 10:45 |
| javispedro | yep, target is Sailfish | 10:46 |
| javispedro | unfortunately latest version of mersdk not fully up to date (was warned about this in #sailfishos) | 10:46 |
| sledges | javispedro: soon ;) | 10:46 |
| javispedro | so for the time being I just "upgrade" (as in, overwrite) mersdk libs with the ones from the VM | 10:47 |
| bencoh | there is no main (git ?) repository with package rules ... or is there ? | 10:47 |
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| sledges | bencoh: patterns? | 10:48 |
| bencoh | hmm, this might be what I'm looking for | 10:49 |
| bencoh | (I'm still gathering info as I can't find everything in the doc) | 10:49 |
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| ballock | javispedro: I actually did the same (was easier accessible) | 10:49 |
| ballock | but I changed some packages so that it had the chroot setup scripts | 10:50 |
| javispedro | yep | 10:50 |
| javispedro | now if only one could point QtC to that ;) | 10:50 |
| ballock | was something like -vm to -chroot | 10:50 |
| ballock | start an SSH daemon on 2223 | 10:51 |
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| javispedro | oh, then it's not the same | 10:51 |
| ballock | (I mean from the chroot) | 10:51 |
| javispedro | I get the idea. | 10:51 |
| ballock | I didn't need that, as I was more like compiling the console stuff. | 10:52 |
| javispedro | but I'd like to avoid all the special tricks QtC+VM does (e.g. shared folders weirdness) | 10:52 |
| javispedro | and creating RPMBUILD folders everywhere | 10:53 |
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| javispedro | in the meanwhile, I've seen on photos that the Jolla MWC booth is quite large | 10:54 |
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| clau2 | does anyone know if this problem has been fixed --> https://together.jolla.com/question/942/did-you-have-trouble-with-your-jolla-not-discovering-gprs3g-data-settings/ | 10:55 |
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| bencoh | +52 | 11:07 |
| bencoh | hm, nvm | 11:08 |
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| olitree | Valério are you there? | 11:08 |
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| javispedro | VDVsx ^^ | 11:09 |
| TMavica | anyone tested the 1.041 in mwc? | 11:09 |
| chem|st | clau2: these things get updated when someone makes them aware of it missing | 11:09 |
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| chem|st | TMavica: what for? there are some videos showing whats new | 11:10 |
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| clau2 | chem|st, wdym? | 11:10 |
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| VDVsx | olitree, yes ? | 11:11 |
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| chem|st | clau2: the data is not properly provided by the simcard afaik so the system needs to know what to input, most providers have a button on their website for stuff like that, if your provider does not work out-of-the-box, write in the thread and link to your provider page (like it is asked in the thread!) | 11:13 |
| clau2 | chem|st, never had any problems with my previous phones :| | 11:13 |
| clau2 | N9 detected the settings automatically in the same networks | 11:13 |
| clau2 | E71 did it too. | 11:13 |
| olitree | VDVsx, see pvt please. | 11:14 |
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| chem|st | clau2: that is why I am asking you to tell in the thread! noone will fix your provider if they do not know about it | 11:17 |
| clau2 | I've done it long ago. | 11:17 |
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| chem|st | clau2: have you setup the credentials by hand or are you waiting for jolla to fix it and have no internet atm? | 11:18 |
| clau2 | chem|st, you are totally missing the point. | 11:18 |
| clau2 | if I am going to travel abroad and get a local sim, I might end up with the same problem. | 11:18 |
| clau2 | and it's no fun trying to get the settings. | 11:18 |
| chem|st | clau2: hehe... and you misunderstand how it works | 11:19 |
| chem|st | clau2: if it does not work then jolla is not aware of it | 11:19 |
| clau2 | I remember a while ago I was getting special sms messages with settings. | 11:19 |
| clau2 | at one point that stopped, and I thought that maybe I'm just not bothered anymore with the sms, but it's processed in the background. | 11:20 |
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| clau2 | do you mean that all phones keep a local database with settings for ALL providers? | 11:21 |
| chem|st | if you already know the provider you are going for you can check in the thread if it has reported any problems | 11:21 |
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| chem|st | clau2: I have a dizzy memory that I had a file that was filled with provider data | 11:23 |
| clau2 | jesus. :) | 11:23 |
| chem|st | for the case that it is not on the sim | 11:23 |
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| chem|st | my sister had an old sim with wap access points setup | 11:23 |
| chem|st | the configuration sms are either sent automatically once you connect to the network or you need to request them | 11:24 |
| clau2 | any idea if those work on Jolla? | 11:25 |
| chem|st | the file is just a fallback if you do not get the settings loaded | 11:25 |
| chem|st | clau2: I had instant internet in france without doing anything so I guess they are loaded fine | 11:25 |
| clau2 | that's good | 11:26 |
| chem|st | I doubt that my sim holds info for all roaming partners | 11:26 |
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| clau2 | I'm trying to find out how I can trigger that sms for my provider. | 11:26 |
| clau2 | chem|st, were you in France with roaming? | 11:27 |
| clau2 | because then the settings do not change, you are using the settings from your home network. | 11:27 |
| tbr | roaming does NOT need different APN data | 11:28 |
| * pahartik refers to content at "/usr/share/mobile-broadband-provider-info/serviceproviders.xml" | 11:30 | |
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| chem|st | tbr: thanks did not know that | 11:30 |
| chem|st | clau2: yes roaming | 11:30 |
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| clau2 | hmm, maybe the provider first checks the phone type, then it only sends settings to phone models that it knows | 11:31 |
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| clau2 | I've logged in (not from phone!) and I see the phone identified as Jolla Ltd Jolla JP-1301 | 11:32 |
| clau2 | it's probably some string that the phone provides over network | 11:32 |
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| clau2 | pahartik, thanks | 11:36 |
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| jmlich | Hi, It seems my Jolla is corrupting/loosing contacts. | 11:40 |
| chem|st | jmlich: google? | 11:40 |
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| jmlich | chem|st, The google account seems to be correctly configured. | 11:41 |
| chem|st | jmlich: I was asking if you use google for that... and yes google may be broken | 11:42 |
| Nicd- | jmlich: there are fixes on the way for this | 11:42 |
| chem|st | 10:21 < chriadam> ottulo: we've found three separate bugs which can cause that behaviour. the first was in telepathy, should | 11:42 |
| chem|st | have been fixed in the last update. the second was in the sync adapter, which is fixed in the nex tupdate. | 11:43 |
| chem|st | the third is due to email -- we're still tracking that one down. | 11:43 |
| jmlich | What is exactly broken with google? The contacts on gmail are working correctly. | 11:43 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: that's a different issue | 11:43 |
| chriadam | jmlich: what precise issue are you seeing? | 11:43 |
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| chem|st | Nicd-: the sync adapter? | 11:43 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: that's the "need to login again" issue | 11:43 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: thought that was exactly the vanishing contacts?! | 11:43 |
| jmlich | In the list of last 20 calls, just only one item have a contact name | 11:44 |
| ottulo | chem|st: no, my problem was the need to login again | 11:44 |
| ottulo | but I'm not saying they're not related | 11:44 |
| chem|st | oh then I misread the whole conversation | 11:44 |
| jmlich | I have manually added contact with a phone number one month ago. The contact is not there. | 11:44 |
| ottulo | <chriadam> joonahoi: indeed it does. the issue is that we cache the tokens internally with their original ExpiresIn value. the accounts&sso framework which we use doesn't talk to the remote service (and attempt to refresh) unless the ExpiresIn timeout has been reached | 11:45 |
| chriadam | jmlich: do you have developer mode enabled? if so, do you mind helping me out with some debugging? | 11:45 |
| ottulo | that's the bit about contacts | 11:45 |
| chem|st | chriadam: I just had a linked user-facebook with like 6 facebook accounts all called user-facebook | 11:45 |
| jmlich | chriadam, yep, dev-mode enabled. | 11:45 |
| chriadam | yeah, that's because of our telepathy/XMPP integration | 11:45 |
| ottulo | so, Google expires the tokens, Jolla has no info of that -> thinks account is disabled or such and loses contacts | 11:45 |
| chriadam | sometimes we don't get meaningful names/aliases from facebook-chat, so they end up being called user-facebook or some such | 11:46 |
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| chriadam | jmlich: firstly, open google account in jolla-settings, pulley menu -> update credentials, then accept-swipe/save the account settings page once that's succeeded. | 11:46 |
| chem|st | chriadam: I deactivated fb-chat lately and imported a vcf with 300entries, that might be related | 11:46 |
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| Nicd- | chriadam: should that bring back the contacts? | 11:47 |
| jmlich | chriadam, done | 11:48 |
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| chriadam | jmlich: secondly, wait for 2 minutes, and then: ssh in, and do: devel-su -p sqlite3 /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite/contacts.db "select ContactId from PhoneNumbers where phoneNumber = 'THEPHONENUMBER';" | 11:48 |
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| chriadam | where that phone number is the phone number you entered for that contact, you mentioned. | 11:48 |
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| chriadam | if it returns an id, please then do: devel-su -p sqlite3 /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite/contacts.db "select * from Contacts where contactId = THATID;" | 11:48 |
| chriadam | (basically, I'm trying to figure out if the contact which contains that phone number detail was somehow erroneously linked into a different contact, after your google contacts got removed) | 11:49 |
| chriadam | because our automatic linking heuristic might have a bug | 11:49 |
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| chriadam | Nicd-: yes, resigning in and then saving the account settings page should bring back the contacts. if it doesn't, please ssh in and do: systemctl --user stop msyncd.service; then wait for a few seconds, then do: SOCIALD_LOGGING_LEVEL=3 devel-su -p msyncd, and then save the account settings page again. the console within which you started msyncd should tell all sorts of helpful information about the sync process status... | 11:52 |
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| jmlich | chriadam, I sent you the debuging output via private chat. | 11:57 |
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| Nicd- | chriadam: they did reappear with the sign-in update :) | 11:58 |
| chriadam | Nicd-: hopefully they stay that way... originally I thought the problem was fixed, but after 1 hour if you tried to sync again (by just accept-swiping the account settings page without changing anything) it broke again... | 11:59 |
| chriadam | but I added the final permission i htink we need for our sync processes, about 2 hours ago now, so hopefully it'll stay fixed | 12:00 |
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| motiejus | hi! When you start the phone there is a choice for ambience _color_. Is there a way to change it later? | 12:03 |
| motiejus | start <- start for the first time | 12:03 |
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| ggabriel_ | motiejus: you can change the ambience | 12:03 |
| ggabriel_ | i think each colour matches a built in ambience | 12:03 |
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| Jope | ggabriel_ is correct | 12:03 |
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| motiejus | ggabriel_: only the image, right? | 12:03 |
| ggabriel_ | aye | 12:03 |
| motiejus | color doesn't seem to change | 12:03 |
| Jope | all the default preset ambiences correspond to one of the colours in the tutorial | 12:03 |
| motiejus | i.e. I have a very grey image, but the ambience color is brown | 12:04 |
| Jope | true | 12:04 |
| ggabriel_ | magic ;) | 12:04 |
| Jope | with gray or black and white images the ambience colours are usually reddish | 12:04 |
| motiejus | ok, so that's automatic | 12:04 |
| motiejus | eh | 12:04 |
| Jope | yes the ambience is calculated from the image | 12:04 |
| Jope | so try out your favourite pictures to see what you get :-( | 12:04 |
| Jope | :-) | 12:04 |
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| motiejus | ok, got it | 12:06 |
| motiejus | the bottom of the image is brown: http://s27.postimg.org/5cfu9c5hd/forestfog.jpg | 12:06 |
| motiejus | but funny enough, the bottom is cropped out of the 'wallpaper' | 12:06 |
| motiejus | so it looks like brown without a good reason. :) | 12:06 |
| Jope | hehe | 12:06 |
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| motiejus | I`ll try to crop the image first. Thanks for your replies | 12:06 |
| Jope | that's quite a colourful image | 12:07 |
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| Jope | not black and white | 12:07 |
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| kimmoli | it helps understanding what the specs really mean: http://www.cultofandroid.com/53043/archos-ceo-inadvertently-kills-a-phone-during-its-water-resistance-demo-video/ | 12:29 |
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| inffy_ | is the exchange support in jolla/sailfishos already working 2way? | 12:30 |
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| kelvan | oh great my jolla getting as useful as a stone in the mountains, reboots all the time and wifi broken when it decides not to reboot after a reboot ... | 12:45 |
| YnG | . | 12:45 |
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| tbr | kelvan: take out the battery for 10min | 12:46 |
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| kelvan | I really need a second (stable) phone for work :/ | 12:48 |
| kelvan | tbr: i'll try | 12:49 |
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| rangoy | When i removed/added google accounts to get sync up, the call lag disappeared - why? | 14:21 |
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| Wnt | rangoy: what do you mean by the call lag? | 14:29 |
| Wnt | call log? | 14:29 |
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| rangoy | yed | 14:38 |
| rangoy | yes | 14:38 |
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| louisdk | The Insmat Flip Case is sold out and I'm wondering if I should take the Jolla in use without. I'm afraid to damage the device. | 16:22 |
| raa70 | 3 months without protection, yesterday i noticed scratches on screen | 16:23 |
| stn^ | I bought it just few hours ago | 16:24 |
| louisdk | I've used it some times, but not out of my home or with sim card yet. However I've a screen protecting plastic film on it and I stuff bag, | 16:27 |
| louisdk | *a stuff bag, but I'm waiting on this: http://www.insmat.fi/en/products//product/650-2088_exclusive-flip-case-for-jolla-phone-black | 16:27 |
| svuorela | mine is in my pocket with my metal card holders and a set of coins | 16:27 |
| svuorela | I'm not sure I like the light-grey with black bits other half that the phone was sold with, but hopefully I'll get the black one soon. | 16:28 |
| roboro | mmm just noticed that there is no way from with mail to add an email address to your contacts... that would be nice | 16:31 |
| svuorela | roboro: similar from the messages and the phone | 16:32 |
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| roboro | svuorela: heh... didn't even notice that | 16:33 |
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| svuorela | roboro: I also just found out that I was lying. | 16:35 |
| roboro | ha ha | 16:35 |
| svuorela | roboro: in sms app, you can drag left. and in phone app you can long-press | 16:36 |
| roboro | yeah... just saw that | 16:36 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | louisdk: i think insmat won't send outside finland | 16:53 |
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| pp_ | http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-wooden-skin-jolla/ might be nice too | 17:02 |
| roboro | pp_: doesn''t look like it will protect the screen though | 17:05 |
| roboro | just an adhesive skin for TOH | 17:05 |
| pp_ | yep, just looks cooler than the white TOH .-) | 17:05 |
| roboro | I actually quite like my white TOH... everyone else seems to be keen to get rid of it... odd | 17:06 |
| pp_ | red one is the way to go :-) | 17:06 |
| roboro | ... I was too late on the sign up to be The First One | 17:06 |
| roboro | spent a bit too long deliberating whether I wanted to blow the cash on a new phone | 17:07 |
| roboro | I am SOOOOO glad I did | 17:07 |
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| roboro | my android phone is now treated with the disrespect that it deserves | 17:08 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | someone mentioned toh's here? http://t.co/YV7SBFIogr | 17:11 |
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| stn^ | http://www.allboutn9.info/2014/02/sailfish-os-1041-ohijarvi-whats-new.html | 17:15 |
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| Sailorrr | hi | 17:17 |
| Tegu | hi | 17:18 |
| Sailorrr | how r u | 17:19 |
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| Pnuu | bad comparison of the "bigger keys in vkb", the phones have different layouts :-P | 17:19 |
| roboro | indeed... I noticed that as well :D | 17:19 |
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| roboro | nice to see what is on its way... but as for changes to application features etc... not much info | 17:20 |
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| * roboro wishes his C++ abilities we a little better than they are currently... he would certainly try to help out with improving some things | 17:21 | |
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| Sailorrr | python devs here? | 17:23 |
| Turski | i've done some small experimenting with python, but would not call myself a python dev | 17:23 |
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| roboro | Sailorrr: what do you need... I'm a python dev... but only just beginning to work out how to use pyotherside in an app I am working on | 17:24 |
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| Sailorrr | pyotherside... nice ... but i am not even there | 17:25 |
| roboro | :) | 17:25 |
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| Turski | ... | 17:25 |
| roboro | what do you want help with? | 17:25 |
| Sailorrr | sorry i was just wondering. and trying out the jolla irc client. impressive work! | 17:28 |
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| Cindy23 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 18:03 |
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| Turski | could someone finally please set +R for this channel? | 18:06 |
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| Pnuu | that would remove huge amount of people | 18:10 |
| Pnuu | or did you mean +r? | 18:12 |
| louisdk | HarhaanJohtaja: I found a nice guy that willing to send a couple of them to me. His local DNA Store is just out of stock atm. | 18:13 |
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| Pnuu | +R is block private messages from un-id'd to _you_, +r is a channel option to prevent un-id'd to join the channel | 18:13 |
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| Turski | Pnuu: looks like i meant +r | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | hello world | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | from MWC2014, not so good wifi there | 18:45 |
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| raa70 | isn't that obvious, it's not like there's everybody who is somebody in the area of wireless communications? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | but it sucks even for exhibitors.. good thing we have offline demo content | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:48 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | hello. | 18:51 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | how was the day Stskeeps ? | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | kimmoli_jolla: good, lots of good feedback and ooh-aah | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | people really like the TOH OLED | 18:53 |
| kimmoli_jolla | have been following news.. | 18:53 |
| kimmoli_jolla | some stuck on android, saying that those covers shows apps you had recently running | 18:53 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I am waiting for an TOH-eInk | 18:54 |
| Acce | Mobile World Conference without proper network, oh the irony | 18:54 |
| dunp | toh eink keyboard | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: you have to use LTE | 18:54 |
| Acce | Stskeeps: I guess, if your company is paying for it :P | 18:55 |
| kor | wait, wat | 18:55 |
| Acce | otherwise it'll cost you a year's salary (if roaming) | 18:55 |
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| dunp | http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/01/03/blackberry-sues-ryan-seacrest-backed-typo-alleges-patent-infringement like this but eink keyboad so layout can be customised on software | 18:56 |
| kimmoli_jolla | hnm not so virtual virtual kbd? | 18:58 |
| dunp | transparent cover to get | 18:58 |
| dunp | touth on it | 18:58 |
| dunp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o03lWhKykBk | 18:59 |
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| stephg_ | with hopefully less than a week to go, I think it's about time we start talking about the ETA of the ETA app | 19:04 |
| Nichope | hi Stskeeps :) | 19:05 |
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| stephg_ | btw anyone at MWC, did anyone get to have a look at this yet (Tizen): http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/hands-on-with-samsungs-tizen-os-a-impressively-capable-android-clone/ | 19:06 |
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| Varmonger | Guys, the android emulator thingy. Would it be possible to "speed it up" when the app already is "emulated"? | 19:06 |
| Varmonger | To receive it's original speed? | 19:07 |
| Nichope | there are some firends that are going to mwc tomorrow (they have a potentially succesful company). I told them to look after your stand, because maybe some "collaboration" could be positive for both them and Jolla | 19:07 |
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| kimmoli | damn. i did run out of parts | 19:10 |
| bencoh | "speed it up" ? | 19:12 |
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| ale | how can i input the underscore-character _ with jolla? | 20:13 |
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| kor | you can't find it on your keyboard? | 20:14 |
| Tegu | ale: press ?123 and then 1/2 | 20:15 |
| Tegu | 1/2 means pages 1/2 | 20:15 |
| kor | yeah, i get it on page 2 of symbols | 20:15 |
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| Tegu | er that sounds confusing :D | 20:15 |
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| ale | Tegu, kor: ok thanks, i thought it was just a key for ½ sign :) | 20:18 |
| kor | the hint is that it's white and not yellow | 20:18 |
| ale | missed that one | 20:18 |
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| kor | yeah. there are lots of subtle things that i miss all the time | 20:19 |
| kor | landscape mode swipes, where the hell do they go | 20:19 |
| kor | "so i'd like to see my previous picture... oh, okay. so i closed the camera." | 20:19 |
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| Varmonger | Bencoh: I mean an emulator of anykind slows down the emulated app. Which is understandable. But I wonder if there's a way to speed it up after it has been emulated. | 20:27 |
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| ShadowJK | There's very little, if any at all, emulation going on | 20:32 |
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| Varmonger | Yes but it's still getting emulated, because it's an android app. Right ShadowJK? | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | It's not really emulation | 20:35 |
| bencoh | this isn't an "emulator" in the strict sense | 20:35 |
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| Varmonger | No? | 20:45 |
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| bencoh | I guess you're talking about hybris ? | 20:52 |
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| stn^ | anyone else got dead pixel(s) on their displays? | 20:55 |
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| keithzg | Varmonger: The Android app compatibility is no more "emulation" than it is on Android devices themselves; it's just a stack that implements the required APIs and whatnot for Android apps to run. It's much like how WINE means Wine Is Not an Emulator ;) | 21:06 |
| Varmonger | Well anyway. It still slows the app down. So is there anyway to fix that? | 21:08 |
| Varmonger | Or like speed it up? | 21:08 |
| slate | swap to android device with better hw? | 21:09 |
| cb400f | maybe soon installing sailfishOS on that hw will be an option ;-) | 21:10 |
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