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| madk | I need a jolla device asap. What's the cheapest android phone that can run it well? | 05:51 |
| madk | Sailfish that is. | 05:52 |
| Nicd- | the only criteria I've heard is that it should run CM 10.1 | 05:52 |
| Nicd- | but of course there might be driver stuff | 05:52 |
| madk | Thanks. | 05:54 |
| Nicd- | note that Sailfish hasn't been released yet for android | 05:54 |
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| madk | Nicd-: Saw this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEsNZdcw_cU | 05:56 |
| madk | hi leinir | 05:56 |
| tbr | madk: Your best option is still the Jolla phone itself, then the Nokia N9, then the Nexus4 and then anything else running CM10.1 | 05:56 |
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| madk | Thing is all those are extremely expensive. I found the Nexus4 for $225 but I can't even find an N9 in my city (last one I saw was $250+ I think) | 06:01 |
| tbr | then go for the Nx4 and poke sledges for access to the early adopter images | 06:03 |
| tbr | you'll be expected to help make it better | 06:03 |
| madk | Well... I would only plan to make an app for it. Does that count? | 06:04 |
| tbr | emulator is not enough? | 06:04 |
| tbr | kinda expensive to buy a phone just to write an app | 06:04 |
| madk | It is enough... But I also want the device. | 06:04 |
| madk | To use it because it looks awesome and fun. | 06:04 |
| tbr | :) | 06:04 |
| tbr | well get the nx4 then | 06:05 |
| madk | That's the plan it looks like. Found one for 180 but that's still a lot. Man. | 06:06 |
| madk | I wish Jolla would just give me one for free! | 06:06 |
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| tbr | madk: yeah, I also keep asking random companies for a steak sandwich, but never get one. | 06:12 |
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| madk | tbr: It's worth a shot! | 06:12 |
| madk | The amount of overlap between here and #blackberrydev is pretty neat. | 06:12 |
| tbr | surprise, Qt | 06:13 |
| madk | tbr: If I liked steak I would do that. | 06:13 |
| tbr | also if you have developer level questions, #sailfishos is the place | 06:13 |
| madk | Yeah I know, I'm there too. | 06:14 |
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| pp_ | Can I use Nokia Store on Jolla? :D :D :D | 07:50 |
| Jope | haha | 07:50 |
| pp_ | (just watching elop peeing in his pants on stage) | 07:50 |
| Jope | yeps me too :-) | 07:50 |
| Frye | =) | 07:50 |
| Jope | I actually want to see this device with me own eyes | 07:50 |
| Jope | I want the full specs also! | 07:50 |
| Pnuu | the nokia x? | 07:50 |
| Jope | yes | 07:50 |
| Jope | :-) | 07:50 |
| Pnuu | "75% of Android apps will run on Nokia X software platform without any modifications." | 07:50 |
| Jope | is it as disappointing as the smarterphone ashas | 07:50 |
| Pnuu | http://developer.nokia.com/nokia-x/analyse/ | 07:50 |
| Jope | heh | 07:51 |
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| madk | Nokia has another new platform? | 07:54 |
| Jope | so it seems. | 07:54 |
| madk | That analyze page 404s | 07:55 |
| madk | But interesting. Android apps run on it? What exactly is it and what's the point? | 07:55 |
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| pp_ | AOSP-based | 07:56 |
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| Pnuu | madk: there's not much more than that, I guess it went online too early | 07:56 |
| Jope | elop said something about going after the emerging markets with a wide portfolio | 07:56 |
| Jope | so I think that's what it is | 07:56 |
| pp_ | microsoft must not be pleased :-) | 07:56 |
| Pnuu | bugger, meeting -> | 07:56 |
| Jope | MS might actually have blessed that one | 07:56 |
| slate | proto has no Nokia logo innit | 07:56 |
| Jope | just my guess - I have no insider info | 07:56 |
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| slate | since nokia launch phones under nokia brand until.2016 | 07:56 |
| slate | nice to see whats gonna happen | 07:56 |
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| slate | nokia cant launch* | 07:57 |
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| stephg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_X#2014_events | 07:58 |
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| stephg | that section particularly is interesting | 07:58 |
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| Nicd- | so, android nokia phones | 08:07 |
| Nicd- | at least took me by surprise | 08:07 |
| suosaask1 | well, they have been on the news / leaks for a few months now... | 08:09 |
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| Nicd- | suosaask1: I didn't really believe them, sounded too far fetched | 08:10 |
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| suosaask1 | evleaks is not that often wrong. | 08:11 |
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| suosaask1 | although in the beginning it was a bit unclear if those devices would be forgotten or actually launched. | 08:12 |
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| Nicd- | wonder if you can install google play on it | 08:15 |
| Nicd- | since no terminal access | 08:15 |
| Nicd- | they say standard apks will work though | 08:15 |
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| stephg | Nicd- same way you would on another android device? root, unlock, clockwork, unzip? | 08:16 |
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| stephg | ooh mtp is working on my desktop today, that's a novelty | 08:19 |
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| pp_ | "You can take your Qualcomm Android design and you can run Windows on it," | 08:21 |
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| pp_ | hey, you can soon mutilate a Jolla with windows phone :D | 08:22 |
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| Pnuu | http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/24/5440498/nokia-x-android-phone-hands-on | 08:25 |
| Pnuu | "The downside to this is that the Nokia X devices won’t have access to Google’s Play store or Google-specific apps like Gmail, Chrome, Maps, and others." | 08:25 |
| svuorela | I'd consider that an upside. | 08:26 |
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| suy | svuorela: I kind of "me too" to that. I'm avoiding google as much as I can, but we all know that for the average consumer that's not true. | 08:33 |
| * svuorela waves to suy :) | 08:33 | |
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| suy | although I think that if I were on Nokia's position, I would try to make some agreement with Amazon or other companies that use Android without the play store, and try to make one that competes with them. | 08:35 |
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| ln- | so now they have three incompatible ecosystems in the phones currently in market? | 08:36 |
| suy | Mmm, the amazon kindle made by nokia. That could be something. There was this Ars article that mentioned how hard was for Amazon to get hardware makers that could make hardware for them without being kicked out by Google of the regular Android. | 08:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey guys ! | 08:37 |
| suy | ln-: which 3? I see a lot of them :) | 08:37 |
| stephg | mornign Sfiet_Konstantin | 08:37 |
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| ln- | suy: wp, asha (is that S40 or S60 anyway?), now android. | 08:38 |
| suosaask1 | "Using the X can be quite frustrating, however, as the entire interface is prone to slow response and a lot of lag. Closing or switching between apps on the X takes far longer than other, even entry-level, smartphones, and browsing the web will quickly test your patience. The third-party apps we saw on the X, such as Facebook, looked as they do on other Android smartphones, but they too suffered from poor performance." | 08:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | how much costs an X ? | 08:39 |
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| pawky | Sfiet_Konstantin: duh?.... | 08:39 |
| suy | ln-: ah, inside nokia, true. A pity. They had the chance to use Qt in all their platforms at once. | 08:39 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | responding to suosaask1's comment | 08:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | a Nokia X of course | 08:40 |
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| suosaask1 | Sfiet_Konstantin: X was 89e, X+ 99e and XL 109e | 08:52 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | suosaaski: ah, well, then the lag is expected | 08:53 |
| suosaaski | well, lumia 520 does not lag with the same hardware (dualcore 1GHz, 512MB RAM) | 08:53 |
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| Flynn-m_ | look at the nokia X, and then at the Jolla. this could be a "Jolla lite" when the sailors release the ROMs :) | 08:57 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | suosaaski: think Android | 09:01 |
| veskuh | suosaaski, Not all dualcores are created equal. I'm pretty sure 520 has fast kreit cores and Nokia X has cheap A5 cores. | 09:01 |
| suosaaski | yes, apparently it has A5 | 09:03 |
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| GentSir | Morning | 09:03 |
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| ericcc_ | Nokia Xl look nice! | 09:15 |
| Pnuu | bah | 09:15 |
| ln- | what happened to the "we cannot be an android OEM" statement? | 09:15 |
| AL13N_work | bah | 09:15 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders how often the 'can I put sailfish on it' question has been asked so far. | 09:17 | |
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| SpeedEvil | ln-: More interesting to me is the truly bizarre and wierd idea that MS now has an actual proper android fork. | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | can i put sailfish on my iphone 4 pretty please? | 09:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Pointing people to MS cloud services | 09:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Rather than google play services | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: but can they do that? with google's requirements of using certain google services and all that | 09:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: No | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | or may they aren't using gplay | 09:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Exactly | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | more fragmentation yay | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | how soon is android going to suffer some of the pains that symbian was suffering? | 09:20 |
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| ar | http://perltricks.com/article/72/2014/2/24/Perl-levels-up-with-native-subroutine-signatures - is hell frozen now? | 09:27 |
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| Frye | So how long it takes before there is a tutorial how to install play store on those X's | 09:27 |
| Frye | And there goes MS cloud | 09:27 |
| GentSir | SpeedEvil: What fork is it that belongs to Microsoft? I haven't seen that | 09:27 |
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| suy | ar: cool. Is more that they finally reached an agreement, no? I thought many people wanted it, but couldn't agree on the "how". | 09:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | GentSir: http://gizmodo.com/nokia-x-the-first-nokia-android-1529525060 | 09:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 'More importantly, the phones take people to Microsoft's cloud, not Google's. ' - no google store | 09:38 |
| ar | suy: i have no idea. i try to avoid using perl as much as i can | 09:38 |
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| GentSir | SpeedEvil: I wasn't aware there was going to be any Microsoft integration on those. Thought it was going to be more like the N9, rushed out right before a massive business change with no support. | 09:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - that's also possible | 09:40 |
| GentSir | Really hoping for more mature Sailfish devices to hit my market in the near future though | 09:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 09:41 |
| GentSir | United States hasn't had much Jolla love | 09:42 |
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| GentSir | I'm sure there are some very sound business and/or technical why US has been mostly left out so far | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | maybe jolla isn't ready for the patent wars ;) | 09:44 |
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| GentSir | ggabriel: I can understand that | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | but if you can install sailfish on android | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | then gg | 09:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought the required frequency band wasn't there in the stock hw | 09:45 |
| GentSir | Oh? Just looked that up. I may be buying a compatiable android device now | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | GentSir: you don't know what that is yet ;) | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | suggest you wait until it's available, somebody tests it etc | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: yup, that's correct | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | some folks took the jolla to the us | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | it could only work on 2g or something | 09:46 |
| korhojoa | wut | 09:46 |
| korhojoa | really? | 09:46 |
| korhojoa | not even 4g works? | 09:46 |
| GentSir | I would think it would work on 3G | 09:46 |
| covox | 4G isn't enabled yet | 09:46 |
| GentSir | HSPA+ | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | lte is not even enabled yet | 09:46 |
| GentSir | As for LTE, I doubt it | 09:46 |
| korhojoa | the switcher works fine | 09:46 |
| covox | 3G works, but not on the 850mhz band | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | that's pretty irresponsible to use imho | 09:46 |
| covox | which is irritating | 09:47 |
| korhojoa | ggabriel: the switcher? | 09:47 |
| GentSir | ggabriel: There's an article on Forbes talking about Sailfish on Android hardware even: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/02/22/jolla-promotes-community-growth-with-android-launcher-and-installable-sailfish-os/ | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | the lte switcher, yes | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | GentSir: yeah, but it's not out yet :) | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | you can buy whatever, but you may get frustrated if what you buy doesn't end up in the list of supported devices | 09:47 |
| korhojoa | ggabriel: wy? | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | korhojoa: the implemenation isn't finished yet, if you hit a bug that floods the networks, they may blacklist all jolla devices | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | that's why jolla asked the community not to use it | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | basically, i'd pay for other people's mistakes | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | so, it's very irresponsible to use as you affect other folks | 09:49 |
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| GentSir | ggabriel: If I'm buying a device and using an unofficial implentation that's my own problem. Of course, I wouldn't put a carrier sim into it. | 09:49 |
| korhojoa | i haven't seen a warning about it, where have they said that? | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | (i'm not talking about "you" korhojoa, just using the pronoum in a generic fashion" | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | korhojoa: twitter iirc, this channel | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | i commented in diaspora | 09:49 |
| korhojoa | i tried it once | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | again, not talking about "you" | 09:49 |
| korhojoa | ;_; | 09:49 |
| GentSir | ggabriel: People actually use diaspora? | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | yup | 09:50 |
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| ggabriel | well, jolla and co post a lot of interesting stuff there | 09:50 |
| jussi | diaspora is good for internal social networks | 09:50 |
| TheBootroo_work | hi ! | 09:50 |
| GentSir | I remember reading about it back in 2011 or so, tried out the first official release and all. | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: o/ | 09:50 |
| jussi | everyone hide! TheBootroo_work is here! :P :P :P | 09:51 |
| TheBootroo_work | what about 1.0 ? will it bring LTE and proper caldav support ? (i need nothing else, really) | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: i already asked for a mar14 tag in tjc :P | 09:51 |
| TheBootroo_work | jussi: i see you >.> | 09:51 |
| chriadam | caldav is coming soon (tm). | 09:51 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: ? | 09:51 |
| jussi | TheBootroo_work: dammit! :P | 09:51 |
| jussi | TheBootroo_work: ggabriel's thing is a head+arm waving... | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: you know when they tagged the features for the current release win jan14 | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | i'm asking for the same for 1.0 (or non beta, rather) | 09:52 |
| * TheBootroo_work catches jussi and shakes it like he weighs nothing | 09:52 | |
| ggabriel | so that we know if we'll get lte, caldav, etc | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | i want caldav | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | and paid store | 09:52 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: yeh | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | i think i also need paid store before i switch phones :( | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | i.e., i need meerun | 09:52 |
| TheBootroo_work | network stability is really awful since 3.8 | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | yup | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | inb4 the other half projector is a crazy idea | 09:54 |
| TheBootroo_work | it often disconnect and tries to reconnect in a loop that show a banner and blocks the phone | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, my wlan is super stable now | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | but when i go to the mobile network for data, then it crumbles | 09:54 |
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| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: yeah wifi is ok | 09:55 |
| TheBootroo_work | mobile is a shame | 09:55 |
| TheBootroo_work | i like this OTH https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgO134_CMAAI0KM.jpg | 09:56 |
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| TheBootroo_work | also https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgO19piCEAAXz3q.jpg | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | i like the keira black | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | just too expensive | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | i'll wait a bit for somebody to make a keyboard one | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | or i'll just get the black | 09:56 |
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| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: i own the Keira already | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | erm... easter present or something ;) | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | nice wallpaper too, but sounds are horrible | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | i just want the colour | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | i may just get a black one 3d printed somewhere | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: or just use black paint on your white OTH | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | nah | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo_work | with some custom carving on i | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo_work | *it | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | you can ruin the pc | 09:58 |
| GentSir | Plastic dye? | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | i'd rather get a 3d printed one | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | as it would be my first one | 09:58 |
| korhojoa | I just really enjoy how low-power the bluetooth tethering is | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | battery life is amazin | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | +g | 10:01 |
| korhojoa | i leave it on all day and i don't really run out of battery, even when using it actively | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | i expect lte to bring it down to "normal" drain tho | 10:01 |
| korhojoa | yeah | 10:01 |
| korhojoa | compared to my n900, this has a battery life of 'forever' | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | well, that's unfair | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | unless your n900's battery is <1yr old | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | the jolla's battery will work at ~75% efficiency the minute it is 1yr old | 10:02 |
| flux | well, people were so serious about n900's battery life they (I as well) bought mugen battery as soon as it was available | 10:03 |
| flux | but I have no such feelings about jolla :) | 10:03 |
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| suosaaski | http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-wooden-skin-jolla/ | 10:07 |
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| bencoh | quite nice | 10:09 |
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| leinir | Ooh... that's quite pretty :) | 10:09 |
| suosaaski | yes, but I was kinda hoping for a case like this: http://lastucase.com/product/lastucase-for-iphone-5s/ | 10:10 |
| suosaaski | maybe they'll do a case later, instead of just a skin. | 10:10 |
| flux | the price seems suprisingly low to me, being a Finnish product.. | 10:11 |
| suosaaski | yes, but it is "just" a skin, other half not included. The price is the same for other skins, too. | 10:12 |
| suosaaski | I have that iPhone case, and this one: http://lastucase.com/product/lastucase-for-ipad-mini/ | 10:12 |
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| zbenjamin | is there any way i can give android apps access to my synced contacts? | 10:28 |
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| zbenjamin | ggabriel: btw it seems there is support for one to one chats in telegram. At least one german technology page states this | 10:29 |
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| zbenjamin | i didn't search their docs though | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: one to one as in p2p-like? | 10:30 |
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| zbenjamin | ggabriel: if its real p2p thats the question | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | :) | 10:32 |
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| * ggabriel will just stick to the old fashioned method of sending letters | 10:33 | |
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| ggabriel | phdeswer: i have one already | 10:33 |
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| Venemo_j | morning | 10:36 |
| GentSir | Are there any Sailfish applications that support OTR right now? I use ChatSecure and Gibberbot on my Android. | 10:36 |
| Venemo_j | any relevant news from mwc? | 10:36 |
| GentSir | That would (sorta) solve your privacy concerned | 10:36 |
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| Venemo_j | OTR= | 10:36 |
| Venemo_j | OTR=? | 10:36 |
| stephg | off the record | 10:37 |
| stephg | client to client encryption | 10:37 |
| GentSir | Venemo_j: https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/ | 10:37 |
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| Venemo_j | ah, that again | 10:52 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | 1.0.4.1 | 10:59 |
| Sail0r | = | 10:59 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | https://mobile.twitter.com/sergiorios/status/437880384924438528/photo/1?screen_name=sergiorios | 10:59 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | next Sailfishos version on mwc | 11:00 |
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| Sail0r | k i thought now available and checked for updates ^^ | 11:00 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | lol sorry | 11:00 |
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| Pnuu | same here :-D | 11:00 |
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| Sail0r | hehe | 11:00 |
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| Pnuu | http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Ohij%C3%A4rvi_%2882.068.1.002%29 | 11:01 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | @benwood: Fun demo @JollaHQ - Galaxy S3, TCL Idol X | 11:02 |
| GentSir | Pnuu: Is that where the Jolla boat cruises? | 11:03 |
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| Pnuu | yes, the lake of the MWC update | 11:07 |
| Sail0r | I hope connman is updated in 1.0.4.1 | 11:08 |
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| Venemo | Pnuu: what? | 11:19 |
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| suosaaski | https://twitter.com/Lastucase/status/437905336939606016 | 11:20 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: check the twitter link | 11:20 |
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| rangoy | Is there a way of getting the developer releases in some way? In developer mode settings - there is fields to add username/password. (How) can i get access? | 11:20 |
| CvP | receive my step-up regulator / boostet from hong kong :) | 11:20 |
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| Nicd- | rangoy: don't use the dev update setting | 11:21 |
| Nicd- | it used to break updates for phones (dunno if that problem still exists) | 11:21 |
| Venemo | Pnuu: it's a wooden TOH | 11:22 |
| rangoy | Nicd-: break how? | 11:22 |
| Pnuu | 12:59 < Morpog_Jolla_> https://mobile.twitter.com/sergiorios/status/437880384924438528/photo/1?screen_name=sergiorios | 11:22 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: ^ | 11:22 |
| Nicd- | rangoy: not being able to install from repos anymore | 11:22 |
| rangoy | ok | 11:22 |
| Venemo | aaaah | 11:22 |
| rangoy | just inpatient, want to get the 1.4.x version ;) | 11:23 |
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| Venemo | it's 1.0.4.x, not 1.4.x | 11:24 |
| rangoy | ... yes, right | 11:24 |
| Venemo | Pnuu: great, see also https://together.jolla.com/question/29506/official-announcement-the-next-update-release-is-in-early-march/ | 11:25 |
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| Pnuu | Venemo: yeah, noticed that :-) | 11:25 |
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| Venemo | there're not many details | 11:30 |
| Venemo | but I'd be interested to hear more about Jolla stuff that's announced at MWC | 11:30 |
| ggabriel_ | Venemo: got twitter? | 11:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo: they announced that cybette works a lot: https://twitter.com/MarcDillonDotFi/status/437909639376961536 | 11:32 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | that community guys got recruited to do booth babes https://twitter.com/cybette/status/437902102333911041 | 11:32 |
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| Sail0r | If he is using sailfishos 1.0.4.1 the whole day maybe he can sneak peak some features | 11:34 |
| * ggabriel_ suspects that that's not the final version | 11:35 | |
| ggabriel_ | (else we'd have it already) | 11:35 |
| tbr | .1 sounds like the first iteration of the update4 aka "good enough for MWC" | 11:35 |
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| Sail0r | but i think there are already changes :) | 11:39 |
| Sail0r | like enhanced landscape | 11:39 |
| gabriel9|work | i was waithing TOH with keyboard :/ | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | waiting* | 11:43 |
| tbr | for a | 11:43 |
| korhojoa | errrbody waiting for that | 11:46 |
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| kimmoli | tohkbd will be at MWC tomorrow | 11:47 |
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| suosaaski | kimmoli: url? fact? | 11:48 |
| kimmoli | fact | 11:48 |
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| stephg | :) | 11:48 |
| ggabriel_ | i think the tmo guy was going to go there | 11:48 |
| ggabriel_ | you can watch the videos in vimeo | 11:49 |
| Sail0r | does any have the link to he overview what is opensource and what's not ? | 11:49 |
| Sail0r | stskeeps posted a nice pictur | 11:49 |
| Sail0r | e | 11:49 |
| Venemo | gabriel9|work: I think kimmoli and the other guys are working on that | 11:49 |
| kimmoli | Here is one funny video for You! hope you like it http://t.co/n3Cmb1hLgR | 11:50 |
| Sail0r | kimmoli: the one from tmo? | 11:50 |
| kimmoli | dirkvl is going tomorrow to MWC | 11:50 |
| ggabriel_ | kimmoli: lol | 11:50 |
| kimmoli | only my otherhalf is at MWC | 11:50 |
| Venemo | kimmoli: are you sure you're you? that message reminded me of that ugly bot | 11:50 |
| gabriel9|work | thanks kimmoli | 11:51 |
| gabriel9|work | it is nice | 11:51 |
| * kimmoli is no bot. | 11:51 | |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 11:51 |
| kimmoli | (..it was planned to be hello world, but we had issues with W ...) | 11:51 |
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| gabriel9|work | do you have help from jolla? | 11:53 |
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| suosaaski | kimmoli: tohkbd = the other half keyboard? And is that really something real/usable, or just a proto etc? | 11:53 |
| gabriel9|work | suosaaski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 | 11:55 |
| kimmoli | atm it is proto. as dirkvl said, it is made in bedroom like you (or how the h**l we could know) but... anyway it is not produced in high-quality factory, not using mold tools, 3d printed parts, keyboard from another phone. See TMO thread. | 11:55 |
| kimmoli | thanks gabriel9|work | 11:55 |
| gabriel9|work | np | 11:55 |
| gabriel9|work | it is nice for proto and i hope jolla will help you to finish it | 11:56 |
| kimmoli | dirkvl is making it, i'm reviewing and ha..coding the daemon | 11:57 |
| gabriel9|work | oh, and if i remember you created TOH with display? | 11:58 |
| kimmoli | amongst | 11:59 |
| ggabriel_ | kimmoli: yeah, that "made in the bedroom just like you" may not apply to all cases | 12:01 |
| Tofe | Ah, I would ilke an OH like the back of the YotaPhone... eInk display, integrated with the OS... | 12:06 |
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| gabriel9|work | Tofe: that would be nice | 12:07 |
| gabriel9|work | TOH from aluminium | 12:08 |
| gabriel9|work | and if you add custom engravings it would be awesome | 12:08 |
| gabriel9|work | just need to convince my uncle to borrow his tools to me :D | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.shapeways.com/?ca=gp&ct=shapeways-3d-printing&cr=ad-29b&gclid=CKb_69_d5LwCFSn4wgod0AkABg | 12:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.shapeways.com/model/1390914/twerking-einstein.html?li=home-itm-79814d&materialId=26 | 12:12 |
| kimmoli | just make sure you dont short thoso pogopins with your aluminium toh | 12:12 |
| Jope | just .. uh .. make sure you don't turn on any radios with your aluminium toh | 12:13 |
| Jope | ah well, you'll see. | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | it is just a idea, i dont have tools :/ | 12:13 |
| w00t | Jope: you're holding it wrong | 12:13 |
| Jope | w00t, obviously. :-) | 12:13 |
| Frye | Hmm, restoring from backup does not seem to restore installed apps. | 12:13 |
| Frye | Is this supposed to happen? | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | what if installed app caused the problem? | 12:14 |
| Frye | I mean from my point of view device should at least tell that you had these apps installed, do you want to reinstall them? | 12:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Jope: Transparent aluminium! (sapphire) | 12:17 |
| Jope | yay | 12:17 |
| Nicd- | so did jolla have their presentation yet? | 12:17 |
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| suy | Nicd-: I think there is no presentation. They have a booth/stand/whatever, and they are there the whole fair. Not many companies pay for presenting stuff and doing keynotes. | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | I thought marc was going to talk about something | 12:38 |
| suy | But they can do regular presentations once in a while, and try to lure people to their stand. | 12:38 |
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| Sail0r | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2014/02/photos-and-videos-jolla-phone-at-mwc2014.html hehe blog down immediatly after publishing ^^ | 12:53 |
| ggabriel_ | one of the girls isn't too happy | 12:55 |
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| AL13N_work | ggabriel_: which one? | 13:01 |
| ggabriel_ | leftmost | 13:01 |
| walokra | hmm, jolla went with the booth babes way. wasn't it shown that booth men are more effective for sales purposes :) | 13:01 |
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| AL13N_work | well, tbh, there's not enough cleavage shown for booth babes to work | 13:02 |
| AL13N_work | walokra: also, i'm pretty sure it depends on audience :-) | 13:03 |
| goroboro | walokra: possibly... but booth babes are way cooler | 13:03 |
| ggabriel_ | i only care about spiritual beauty ;) | 13:03 |
| goroboro | ggabriel_: indeed... beauty is on the inside... apparently | 13:03 |
| walokra | AL13N_work: yeah, they aren't dressed as pirates :) | 13:03 |
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| walokra | pirates of the mobile seas | 13:04 |
| goroboro | walokra: I think the stripey shirts work well enough | 13:04 |
| sjtoik | the ugly man with unshaved facial hair collects more nerd credits. | 13:04 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel_: goroboro: "beauty is on the inside" quote from torturer | 13:04 |
| kimmoli | "marianne" | 13:04 |
| sjtoik | yaeh, pirate is a good analogy :) | 13:04 |
| goroboro | girls with eyepatches are less appeling | 13:04 |
| AL13N_work | well, a deeper cut in the shirts would've been nice | 13:05 |
| Pnuu | "appealing" or "appalling"?-) | 13:05 |
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| Venemo_j | hey | 13:15 |
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| chem|st | Venemo_j: hey | 13:21 |
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| suy | cybette: Stskeeps: (or anyone at Barcelona) I know you probably will be super-busy right now, ;-) but when you have 2 minutes: https://together.jolla.com/question/28564/anyone-going-to-mobile-world-congress/?answer=29796#post-id-29796 | 14:11 |
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| rangoy | is jolla going to merge with the remainings of nokia when MS has gotten it's part? | 14:13 |
| tsukimori | nobody knows | 14:14 |
| sharpneli | Almost certainly not as Nokia is banned for mobile phone business for 10 years after the deal. | 14:14 |
| tsukimori | 10 years? | 14:14 |
| tsukimori | wasn't it 2 | 14:14 |
| AJAX555 | wasn't it 3? | 14:14 |
| rangoy | thought it was out of 2016? | 14:14 |
| AJAX555 | also, nokia just published their android phones | 14:15 |
| Hartzi | I think it was only 3 | 14:15 |
| tsukimori | what they actually did? | 14:15 |
| AJAX555 | yup. | 14:15 |
| tsukimori | src | 14:15 |
| AJAX555 | I wonder if I can find english article about it | 14:15 |
| tsukimori | because asha is not android | 14:15 |
| AJAX555 | http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/24/5440498/nokia-x-android-phone-hands-on | 14:16 |
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| tsukimori | eww | 14:17 |
| Venemo_j | lol | 14:18 |
| Venemo_j | did they also sell those ms? | 14:19 |
| pp_ | selling under nokia name, they can still sell mobira/technophone/whatnot | 14:20 |
| Jope | heh | 14:20 |
| Jope | true :-D | 14:20 |
| Jope | somehow I have a feeling that the mothership will not be putting out phones after that sale is complete | 14:21 |
| suy | And isn't that if they buyout is completed only? And so far it has not, isn't it? | 14:21 |
| Jope | that is true, afaik it isn't finished | 14:22 |
| Jope | haven't really been keeping tabs on that though | 14:22 |
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| kimmoli | X, X+ and XL ... is X roman 10, succcessor of N9 ? | 14:27 |
| Jope | :-) | 14:27 |
| Jope | at least the perf ain't there... | 14:27 |
| Jope | so not a very worthy successor | 14:28 |
| Jope | smooth as butter with rocks in it? | 14:28 |
| tsukimori | why didn't they call it "Brutus" :D | 14:28 |
| phdeswer | Well Eflop did not like to use his nickname for a product I guess... | 14:29 |
| kimmoli | elop said "menneen talven nokia", someone replied "menneen talven Lumia" | 14:29 |
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| pp_ | He also learned "OVI KIINNI!" pretty early on | 14:30 |
| kimmoli | i wonder how many has learned their first Finnish words in this order : perkele, kiitos... | 14:31 |
| phdeswer | Hmmm vesi,kiitos,vittu,kalja,perkele it was for me.. | 14:32 |
| kimmoli | :) | 14:32 |
| Jope | I'm surprised that vittu was #3 | 14:32 |
| w00t | is the learning order the same when growing up in finland? ;p | 14:35 |
| kimmoli | no, it starts with tissi | 14:35 |
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| flux | "tissi, kiitos perkele"? | 14:36 |
| * kimmoli is sorry for getting off topic | 14:36 | |
| flux | I'm not helping, am I.. | 14:36 |
| kimmoli | let me think... tissi, anna rahaa, | 14:36 |
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| kelvan | is it normal that it is impossible to "sign out" in harbour? I signed in to test an account of somebody else and wanted to login in as my user, but it's not possible, every time i click sign in i'm logged in as the other user *argh* | 14:41 |
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| tbr | kelvan: try dropping all the cookies for *.jolla.com | 14:44 |
| tbr | the SSO server probably still has you logged in | 14:44 |
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| flux | kelvan, you could try opening a new profile in your browser :) | 14:45 |
| flux | after that you should at least be able to easily see what cookies it introduces.. | 14:45 |
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| mikma | sooooooooo. my jolla lost all contact last night | 15:08 |
| svuorela | all contact or all contacts ? | 15:08 |
| mikma | before i went to bed, the phone told me to upgrade google account. and after the night everything was missing | 15:08 |
| mikma | contacts, sorry | 15:08 |
| kelvan | tbr: yes this should work, but in my oppinion it is a huge security and usability bug to not log somebody out if you click logout | 15:10 |
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| kelvan | clearing cookies to logout is not the way to do logouts | 15:10 |
| kelvan | also sniffed cookies would still work | 15:10 |
| tbr | kelvan: I'm not a sailor, please contact the appropriate jolla security contact. *snerk* | 15:11 |
| kelvan | there are security guys at jolla? ^^ | 15:11 |
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| GentSir | kelvan: Isn't every workplace supposed to have a paranoid security nerd? | 15:16 |
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| p2-mate | 'upgrade google account'? | 15:16 |
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| kelvan | GentSir: in theory ;) | 15:17 |
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| GentSir | I'd take the job of paranoid security nerd somewhere | 15:17 |
| VDVsx | mikma, did you tried to remove and recreate the account ? seems like google servers had some hickups on friday and probably that caused a bug | 15:18 |
| mikma | p2-mate: yeap. there was a notification about it in the menu you pull up from the bottom | 15:18 |
| GentSir | I do see that the web design nerd at Jolla made the website a lot nicer | 15:18 |
| mikma | vdvsx: i just updated the login details and now i'm waiting for a small time if it'll sync them | 15:19 |
| mikma | yeah! it did | 15:19 |
| edgars | yo | 15:22 |
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| edgars | when we will see new update? | 15:23 |
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| goroboro | edgars: beginning of march sometime | 15:23 |
| Hartzi | next week maybe | 15:23 |
| p2-mate | goroboro: aka as saturday? :) | 15:24 |
| goroboro | I think it was a bit more vague than that :D | 15:24 |
| edgars | mhh | 15:24 |
| edgars | i'm tired with those reboots :/ | 15:24 |
| edgars | and that mystic sound problem | 15:25 |
| * goroboro is lucky... have only ever had one reboot | 15:25 | |
| VDVsx | mikma, did you just update the login details or deleted and created the account again ? | 15:25 |
| edgars | oneday i have sound | 15:25 |
| edgars | week i'm withoud sound | 15:25 |
| mikma | vdvsx: just updated the login details from the dropdown | 15:25 |
| VDVsx | ah ok | 15:25 |
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| tango_ | so I tried the gps today for the first time | 15:50 |
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| tango_ | can't say I'm too happy about it, took forver to get a position even with 10+ satellites in sight | 15:50 |
| tango_ | (no AGPS, I didn't have data connections available) | 15:50 |
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| ggabriel_ | tango_: define forever | 15:51 |
| ggabriel_ | it's hard to try actually | 15:51 |
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| ggabriel_ | coz you do need data | 15:51 |
| ggabriel_ | to load the map, i mean | 15:51 |
| tango_ | nope, I was using osmand | 15:51 |
| ggabriel_ | ah | 15:51 |
| tango_ | so I didn't need the map | 15:51 |
| ggabriel_ | didn't try that one | 15:51 |
| ggabriel_ | the n9 takes its time too | 15:51 |
| ggabriel_ | but once you have it, it doesn't let go | 15:52 |
| tango_ | forever might have been ... 10 to 15 minutes? | 15:52 |
| ggabriel_ | wow | 15:52 |
| ggabriel_ | moving? | 15:52 |
| tango_ | walking | 15:52 |
| ggabriel_ | ah, ok | 15:52 |
| ggabriel_ | never worked for me walking | 15:52 |
| ggabriel_ | surprised you got a lock | 15:52 |
| ggabriel_ | (unless you use agps, that is) | 15:52 |
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| tango_ | hm I _did_ wonder if walking would interfere | 15:52 |
| dunp | sory finish link.. http://usvi.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/161446-jolla-analogia-kansanedustajille-urkintalain-vaikutuksista-talouteen | 15:53 |
| tango_ | ggabriel_: but yeah, I'm not going to use here maps until it allows offline usage | 15:53 |
| tango_ | osmand~ is available through fdroid | 15:53 |
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| * tango_ thinks jolla phone should come with f-droid by default | 15:53 | |
| ggabriel_ | tango_: fwiw, i managed to get a lock inside a fast train in japan while standing at a station | 15:54 |
| tango_ | (still, it's trivial to install) | 15:54 |
| ggabriel_ | and i wasn't roaming or anything | 15:54 |
| ggabriel_ | took ~1 minute | 15:54 |
| tango_ | well, agps is a different kind of thing | 15:54 |
| ggabriel_ | i used the n9 for this | 15:54 |
| ggabriel_ | not sure if agps kicks in even if you don't use data/network | 15:55 |
| ggabriel_ | (then you i could measure the speed of the bullet train that is quite fun :D ) | 15:55 |
| kelvan | what the ... my jolla just blinked green very fast, but no problems after unlock it, known bug? | 15:56 |
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| ggabriel_ | kelvan: all that happens to me is that the screen goes blank every now and then | 15:58 |
| ggabriel_ | (it's on, but you can see it's blank) | 15:58 |
| ggabriel_ | I close it as if I were closing an application, then unlock it, and all is well | 15:59 |
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| stn^ | when using MTP connection on computer (WIN7), there's no unmount options for Jolla.. and I haven't found any usb disconnect option on Jolla, either | 17:42 |
| stn^ | is there any unmount/disconnect option? | 17:42 |
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| stn^ | on linux I'd probably use "sync" command on terminal on PC which would ensure the file transfers are completed, I guess | 17:44 |
| AJAX555 | so ummm.. does anyone have any idea when 1.0.4.1 coming? | 17:44 |
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| ggabriel_ | AJAX555: soon :D | 17:46 |
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| ggabriel_ | they said beginning of march | 17:46 |
| ggabriel_ | the beginning of march ends officially the 14th | 17:46 |
| AJAX555 | ggabriel_: sweet >;3 | 17:46 |
| stn^ | AJAX555: that's the most asked question here for few days now | 17:46 |
| AJAX555 | but, is that 1.0? | 17:46 |
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| ggabriel_ | it's the first on | 17:46 |
| ggabriel_ | argh | 17:46 |
| ggabriel_ | first non beta release | 17:46 |
| AJAX555 | non beta | 17:46 |
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| AJAX555 | oh, so 1.0 | 17:46 |
| ggabriel_ | well, it's already 1.0 | 17:46 |
| AJAX555 | so, next week or so.. d; | 17:47 |
| ggabriel_ | or the week after, or the one after that | 17:47 |
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| pp_ | week 10 has also been mentioned :-) | 17:49 |
| pp_ | as a target, not as a promise | 17:49 |
| * ggabriel_ won't hold his breath | 17:49 | |
| ggabriel_ | i have to admit that i need an additional thing to my original requirement for the jolla to be my main phone | 17:50 |
| ggabriel_ | so i guess i'll have to wait longer to decommission the battled n9 | 17:50 |
| AJAX555 | I'm just waiting for the "share internet" function | 17:51 |
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| ggabriel_ | AJAX555: isn't there an application that does that already? | 17:51 |
| AJAX555 | after it, jolla is the perfect phone for me | 17:51 |
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| AJAX555 | ggabriel_: I have downloaded it, but doesn't really work for me.. | 17:51 |
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| ggabriel_ | ah, shame | 17:51 |
| ggabriel_ | i don't share internet, so i'm fine ;-) | 17:51 |
| ggabriel_ | i tried it with the n9 for the first time after 2yr the other week | 17:52 |
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| ggabriel_ | and android sucks for ad hoc/wep access points | 17:52 |
| ggabriel_ | so i couldn't test it | 17:52 |
| pp_ | usb tethering (devel mode + iptables magic + static ip on laptop) is pretty ok, but after UI love would be even better | 17:52 |
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| ggabriel_ | pp_: aye aye | 17:52 |
| ggabriel_ | you forgot udev rules love to make it automagic | 17:52 |
| pp_ | best if it'd run dnsmasq or similar I suppose | 17:53 |
| pp_ | so UI + udev + dnsmasq love | 17:53 |
| ggabriel_ | you need iptables with dnsmasq too | 17:53 |
| AJAX555 | ggabriel_: somehow, jolla can't share internet with my laptop ;< | 17:53 |
| ggabriel_ | AJAX555: got a mac? | 17:54 |
| AJAX555 | ggabriel_: no, xp and ubuntu | 17:54 |
| ggabriel_ | uhm... dunno then | 17:54 |
| ggabriel_ | not sure whether i tried it with mine, but the extra interface is there | 17:54 |
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| ggabriel_ | should work in your case with ubuntu | 17:54 |
| AJAX555 | of I didn't have a laptop and didn't use trains so much, I wouldn't mind.. | 17:54 |
| AJAX555 | err | 17:55 |
| ggabriel_ | just use planes, they don't let you do anything :) | 17:55 |
| AJAX555 | of->if | 17:55 |
| stn^ | uh oh no wlan on trains? | 17:55 |
| ggabriel_ | very rare | 17:55 |
| AJAX555 | stn^: on normal trains there is.. d; | 17:55 |
| GentSir | Who travels by train? | 17:55 |
| AJAX555 | not on commute.. | 17:55 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: train to helsinki in easy, and to move in helsinki with metro is super easy d; | 17:56 |
| GentSir | AJAX555: Forgot people used trains over there | 17:57 |
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| stn^ | GentSir: nah I try to avoid | 17:57 |
| AJAX555 | stn^: even when going to helsinki? ;o | 17:58 |
| ggabriel_ | trains are awesome | 17:58 |
| GentSir | Over here in America we all just get in a big truck when we want to go somewhere | 17:58 |
| AJAX555 | or well, depends on where one lives.. | 17:58 |
| stn^ | haha | 17:58 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: oh, america | 17:58 |
| GentSir | AJAX555: You think I'm joking | 17:59 |
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| GentSir | This is why Jolla needs to release phones here, we're already used to buying lots of stuff | 18:00 |
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| ggabriel_ | GentSir: i often see chinese sporting multiple gopro hero 3+ in the mountains rather than folks from the us ;-) | 18:01 |
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| AJAX555 | GentSir: doesn't jolla already sell in US? ;o | 18:04 |
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| GentSir | ggabriel_: The only Chinese people I have experience with are rather affluent ones that relocate here. My experiences haven't been good with them. | 18:04 |
| GentSir | AJAX555: Website says they ship only to the EU and Sweden | 18:04 |
| GentSir | No US :( | 18:05 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: not even china? ;o | 18:05 |
| ggabriel_ | no, i thikn they're starting with other countries tho | 18:05 |
| ggabriel_ | but no US | 18:05 |
| AJAX555 | I kind of kinda see why they are not going to US.. d; | 18:06 |
| GentSir | It's been mentioned in here plenty of times, all sorts of patent entaglements to sell in the US | 18:06 |
| AJAX555 | all the NSA stuff etc | 18:06 |
| ggabriel_ | nothing official ;) | 18:06 |
| ggabriel_ | but it is a difficult market in general | 18:06 |
| GentSir | I may be an American but I do not support the NSA | 18:06 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: I kind of believe that alot of americans do not support NSA.. d; | 18:07 |
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| GentSir | AJAX555: My impression is that very few know or care | 18:08 |
| AJAX555 | what?! ;D | 18:08 |
| GentSir | "I've got nothing to hide, so why does it matter?" | 18:08 |
| GentSir | AJAX555: I'm serious | 18:08 |
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| AJAX555 | I bet 90% of people on earth has something to hide.. | 18:08 |
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| GentSir | I bet you it's more than 90% | 18:09 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: yeah I would like to say that too, but I like the idea of 10% of having nothing to hide.. D; | 18:09 |
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| AJAX555 | damn beer | 18:10 |
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| GentSir | AJAX555: It's sad, us Americans are too content and happy to really pay attention to stuff like the NSA | 18:11 |
| GentSir | I won't send an IM, make a phone call, chat on IRC, etc without assuming its all public | 18:11 |
| AJAX555 | well, I bet NSA wont even look at what anyone sends unless it is threat to US security | 18:12 |
| GentSir | That is true. But they'd pull out that archive of what you sent if you "became" a threat to US security later. | 18:13 |
| GentSir | They'd find something incriminating in your communications | 18:13 |
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| GentSir | I'd really like to see OTR enabled messaging and PGP email support on Sailfish | 18:14 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: true dat, but I bet if they did find something of a thread from my messages, I bet they couldn't get me from finland.. d; | 18:14 |
| AJAX555 | but, ofcourse I could be wrong | 18:14 |
| GentSir | AJAX555: I live in the US, so it's plausible for me | 18:15 |
| AJAX555 | then again.. they would have to contact my server provider and get my bank account number.. and after that get my real information to even know who I really am.. | 18:15 |
| GentSir | AJAX555: You connect to IRC using a bouncer on a VPS? | 18:16 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: I have a dedicated server in france | 18:16 |
| AJAX555 | and I connect to it using SSH | 18:16 |
| jake9xx | AJAX555: if you're on kimsufi's servers make sure you don't run their kernel | 18:17 |
| AJAX555 | jake9xx: yeah, I am on kimsufi.. ;D | 18:17 |
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| GentSir | AJAX555: I've never rented a dedicated server, just VPS | 18:18 |
| GentSir | Never had any reason to | 18:18 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: kimsufi was so cheap I just had to rent, if it wasn't cheap, I would not have.. d; | 18:19 |
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| GentSir | AJAX555: I checked the website and it said 8 euros a month for an Atom machine with 2GB RAM | 18:19 |
| AJAX555 | yeah, I have that one | 18:20 |
| AJAX555 | more than enough to run services for me | 18:20 |
| AJAX555 | jake9xx: btw, why not run kernel by them? | 18:21 |
| GentSir | I use DigitalOcean. $5 USD for a single core VPS with 20GB SSD and 512MB RAM | 18:21 |
| AJAX555 | please do tell me, I might change away from them.. d; | 18:21 |
| jake9xx | due to their backdoors, perhaps? | 18:21 |
| pahartik | AJAX555: Do they not have IPv6 network? | 18:21 |
| AJAX555 | pahartik: they dont? ;o | 18:21 |
| jake9xx | AJAX555: but, you can switch kernel to anything you like there | 18:22 |
| jake9xx | AJAX555: they'll bitch about it to you but don't shut you down | 18:22 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: 20gb ssd with 512mb for 5usd is nothing.. d; | 18:22 |
| AJAX555 | 8e for 500gb.. d; | 18:22 |
| AJAX555 | jake9xx: maybe I will switch when I have to.. d; | 18:23 |
| AJAX555 | so.. in few years | 18:23 |
| GentSir | AJAX555: I never had any technical trouble when I used DigitalOcean, had no reason to need more than 20GB disk anyway | 18:24 |
| GentSir | As always, it depends on what you need it for | 18:24 |
| AJAX555 | GentSir: true | 18:24 |
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| pahartik | AJAX555: At least "rule10.eu" does not have it | 18:27 |
| AJAX555 | wait what?! ;D | 18:27 |
| AJAX555 | guess I have old enough \o/ | 18:28 |
| AJAX555 | well, dunno what is so \o/ about it | 18:28 |
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| cvp | kimmoli: you here ? | 19:16 |
| kimmoli | yep | 19:16 |
| cvp | you want to know what happend if i solder 400k into the board | 19:16 |
| kimmoli | i dont know... tell me ? hope nothing bad ... | 19:17 |
| cvp | very bad | 19:17 |
| kimmoli | uuh | 19:17 |
| cvp | i connect to the phone | 19:17 |
| cvp | and it make puff..... | 19:17 |
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| kimmoli | phone? | 19:17 |
| cvp | .... and know iam have a iphone | 19:17 |
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| cvp | :D | 19:18 |
| kimmoli | did you measure first ? | 19:18 |
| cvp | i just joking | 19:18 |
| kimmoli | FUUUUUUUUU | 19:18 |
| cvp | forget it... joking in englisch is hard for me :D | 19:18 |
| kimmoli | you got me :) | 19:18 |
| cvp | ;) | 19:19 |
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| kimmoli | i'll have 5min break ... then we continue | 19:19 |
| cvp | no no... dont worry, i solder in to in and know the output is only 3,58v | 19:20 |
| cvp | ok doki | 19:20 |
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| kimmoli | cvp: i'm back | 19:27 |
| cvp | jup | 19:27 |
| kimmoli | i have to check where we left lasttime. minute | 19:28 |
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| cvp | kimmoli: i save your text | 19:28 |
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| cvp | want it ? | 19:29 |
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| kimmoli | which day it was? | 19:29 |
| kimmoli | found | 19:30 |
| cvp | oh ok i dont save the date, only time :D | 19:30 |
| kimmoli | resistors are now 30k1 and 10k. To change output to 4.75, change the one saying "47C" to 28k (or add ~400k in parallel with it) | 19:31 |
| cvp | yeah i add 400ohm to exist | 19:31 |
| kimmoli | confirm, only one? | 19:32 |
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| cvp | but i think i desolder both and put know the 28ohm in to | 19:32 |
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| kimmoli | 28k - should give same result .. | 19:33 |
| cvp | oh ok | 19:33 |
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| kimmoli | but wait a moment | 19:33 |
| cvp | if not than i start with the new board | 19:34 |
| * attah could quite possibly kill for the i2c breakout board | 19:34 | |
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| cvp | think its better to work with the other board because it have a undervoltage protector incl. | 19:37 |
| cvp | the pulolo boards dont have it | 19:37 |
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| kimmoli | but now you work on the board you sent me the photo ? | 19:38 |
| cvp | the photo what i have send to you are the old boards like pulolo... there dont have undervoltage protection incl. | 19:39 |
| cvp | the new one are this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1pcs-1A-3V-to-5V-DC-DC-Converter-Step-Up-Boost-Module-/191014690726 | 19:39 |
| cvp | i receive this today | 19:39 |
| cvp | kimmoli: stop checking whats wrong on the pulolo boards, i try it with the new one, cant wait for the result :D | 19:41 |
| kimmoli | ah ok. 3.5 volts sounds no 400k resistor, | 19:41 |
| cvp | 390 maybe | 19:41 |
| kimmoli | 3.58 sounds more like 40K not 400K | 19:42 |
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| kimmoli | but i'll look now the new too.... | 19:44 |
| kimmoli | (does it need some hacking) | 19:44 |
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| cvp | cool thanks :) | 19:47 |
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| kimmoli | hmm.. googling more info leaded nowhere. can you take similar photo as you did from the old board? | 19:54 |
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| kimmoli | did you try to change that resistor to the 28k ? | 19:54 |
| cvp | no | 19:55 |
| cvp | i connect the new one | 19:55 |
| cvp | its chare | 19:55 |
| kimmoli | ok | 19:55 |
| cvp | ok its little bit warm, but in this moment much better than the pulolo boards | 19:56 |
| kimmoli | ok | 19:56 |
| kimmoli | it was rated to 5W, so 1A output at 5V current. the polulu was 1A input current max | 19:57 |
| cvp | wow the board are veeery nice... nonstop 4,95/4,96V output | 19:59 |
| cvp | charge right now 54% to 57% | 19:59 |
| cvp | how i can see how A it takes ? | 20:01 |
| cvp | amper | 20:01 |
| kimmoli | hmm. have access to the phone? ssh? | 20:01 |
| cvp | sure | 20:01 |
| cvp | ok now its little bit hot | 20:03 |
| cvp | but ... better than theother | 20:03 |
| kimmoli | try | 20:03 |
| kimmoli | cat /sys/devices/platform/msm_ssbi.0/pm8038-core/pm8921-charger/power_supply/battery/current_now | 20:04 |
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| cvp | -805264 | 20:04 |
| grzywacz | :D | 20:06 |
| kimmoli | charging battery with 800mA | 20:06 |
| cvp | sounds good :) | 20:06 |
| cvp | 62% | 20:06 |
| kimmoli | +about 200mA for the phone if your screen is on | 20:07 |
| cvp | but the other half will be little big thicker | 20:07 |
| kimmoli | due the inductor? | 20:07 |
| cvp | yes | 20:08 |
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| attah | what are you guys working on? wireless charging? :) | 20:08 |
| cvp | maybe if i desolder it... than i save a littlebit | 20:08 |
| cvp | desolder + solder cable | 20:08 |
| kimmoli | it is 1MHz switcher, might not work. | 20:09 |
| cvp | attah: extended batteire other half :) | 20:09 |
| cvp | batterie | 20:09 |
| attah | ah.. okay :) | 20:09 |
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| Holly18 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:11 |
| attah | what battery will you be using, jolla original or something else? | 20:12 |
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| cvp | http://i57.tinypic.com/15p1h21.jpg | 20:13 |
| cvp | attah: its a Motorola EB40 - 3200mAh batterie | 20:13 |
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| attah | nice.. seems like a good size. What is the thickness that you have problems matching with the step-up? | 20:15 |
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| kimmoli | cvp: is it too hot or what you think? should it be slightly tuned? | 20:15 |
| cvp | its warm, | 20:16 |
| cvp | but if you can it will nice :D | 20:17 |
| kimmoli | ok. check the voltage with | 20:17 |
| kimmoli | cat /sys/devices/platform/msm_ssbi.0/pm8038-core/pm8xxx-adc/dcin | 20:17 |
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| cvp | what is this ? | 20:17 |
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| kimmoli | voltage at the input pins | 20:17 |
| kimmoli | from your stepup | 20:17 |
| cvp | attah: the betterie has 4mm and the step-up has 5,5mm/6mm | 20:18 |
| cvp | Result:4836300 Raw:32925 | 20:18 |
| cvp | @kimmoli | 20:18 |
| kimmoli | 4,83V then | 20:18 |
| cvp | but its ok | 20:19 |
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| cvp | but i dont know how hot it will be if it is on the phone, | 20:20 |
| cvp | 71% - charg fast :) | 20:20 |
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| attah | hmm. okay.. there must be something that's slimmer.. and if you're planning on making custom pcbs.. vou could always have the inductor in a cutout in the pcb ;) | 20:21 |
| stephg | evenin' all | 20:22 |
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| cvp | what you me in a cutout ? | 20:26 |
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| cvp | and i dont know how to make a pcb :D | 20:26 |
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| cvp | like layout and so | 20:26 |
| kimmoli | battery temperaute | 20:27 |
| kimmoli | cat /sys/devices/platform/msm_ssbi.0/pm8038-core/pm8921-charger/power_supply/battery/temp | 20:27 |
| cvp | 311 | 20:28 |
| kimmoli | 31.1 C | 20:29 |
| attah | cvp: well, a hole in it really :) | 20:29 |
| cvp | but i think the thickness is ok with 6mm... i will connect a wireless charger for the extended batterie toh too :) | 20:31 |
| attah | cvp: i tought myself eagle this weekend.. it's not *that*hard to layout pcbs... and there are plenty of companies accepting .brd files.. so you don't have to worry about those last annoying production things.. | 20:31 |
| kimmoli | oshpark if yo uneed only few (3 pcs) - but most difficult would be reverse engineer that board to own design | 20:32 |
| Venemo | morning | 20:32 |
| kimmoli | gm | 20:33 |
| cvp | morning? here is 21:33 :p | 20:33 |
| attah | kimmoli: that looks like a nice place-- i'll bookmark that | 20:34 |
| cvp | want use my palm pre wireless charger... but the charging is not good enough :( | 20:34 |
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| attah | We should make a group purchase of this: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MLX90620ESF-BAB-000-TU/MLX90620ESF-BAB-000-TU-ND/3175237 | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: oled toh quite a good demo here, btw | 20:36 |
| stephg | wow Harold Ramis is dead :( | 20:37 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: oo... | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: 'wow' is usually people's response | 20:38 |
| kimmoli | stephg: Ghostbusters Harold Ramis ? | 20:38 |
| kimmoli | attah: I went to the Panaonic sensor. | 20:38 |
| cvp | rip | 20:39 |
| Venemo | so | 20:39 |
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| attah | kimmoli: have you tested it? link? :) | 20:39 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: i have been waiting for some responce whole day :P | 20:39 |
| Venemo | any new Jolla announcements from MWC so far? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: yeah. there's really no proper wifi | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'm at hotel now | 20:39 |
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| kimmoli | Go to Wilocity to see 60GHz stuff | 20:40 |
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| Sail0r | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhPXOA3IAAArxGG.jpg:large | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: well, more demos: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZdwNOeeqnl4/UwshBJFJm9I/AAAAAAAACTo/WHlp0C87FDg/s1600/jolla_sailfish_galaxyS3_others.jpg | 20:40 |
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| stephg | kimmoli, yeah :( | 20:42 |
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| Sail0r | funny Jolla itself looks most awesome on this pictute | 20:42 |
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| Sail0r | *picture | 20:42 |
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| Sail0r | os and device look so good :) | 20:42 |
| kimmoli | Sail0r: of course. it is ! | 20:42 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps how's your first day gone? all the stuff coming out on twitter etc. seems great | 20:43 |
| cvp | cool camera feat. :) but no makro ? :D | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | stephg: been good but tiring | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of interest | 20:43 |
| kimmoli | S5 unpacking... can add all those their new things to a TOH .. cvp buy EasyMakro lens | 20:43 |
| tsukimori | Stskeeps: how compared to last year? | 20:43 |
| Sail0r | your booth was really crowded as far as i can see from the twitter pictures | 20:43 |
| tsukimori | surely different since now there is an actual device and all | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | tsukimori: well we didn't have a booth last year | 20:44 |
| tsukimori | ah | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | we had a meeting room, that was it | 20:44 |
| Sail0r | how was the feedback? | 20:44 |
| stephg | Stskeeps, I'll bet | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: good so far | 20:44 |
| stephg | and I'm glad (about interest, not tiredness :) ) | 20:45 |
| Sail0r | :) makes me happy | 20:45 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: dirkvl will bring tohkbd tomorrow. we get most of the sw running. one bug with sailfish (or something) | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 20:47 |
| slate | Stskeeps: who built the booth? :) | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | slate: i don't know.. underpants gnomes? | 20:49 |
| slate | Stskeeps: spanish gnomes? | 20:49 |
| cvp | ok charging stops .... batterie has 3,08V | 20:49 |
| kimmoli | cvp: 100% ? | 20:50 |
| cvp | 90% | 20:50 |
| kimmoli | cat /sys/devices/platform/msm_ssbi.0/pm8038-core/pm8xxx-adc/dcin | 20:50 |
| cvp | but i dont know if my batterie are full loaded bevor... think it haves 3,70V | 20:50 |
| cvp | kimmoli: batterie connected or not ? | 20:50 |
| cvp | Result:58818 Raw:24802 | 20:51 |
| cvp | not connected | 20:51 |
| slate | Stskeeps: How about sneak in to Nokia's booth and tweak sailfish to one of the X-series devices | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | slate: from rumours it sounds feasibl | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | e | 20:51 |
| kimmoli | ---> VDVsxkimmoli, better to run sailfish on the new lumiasX hw is quite low end | 20:52 |
| vgrade_ | hey Stskeeps , what about gear fit | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | didnt see it yet | 20:52 |
| slate | Stskeeps: sure if Nokia wont use that ugly dload-style bootloader which cant be hacked. | 20:52 |
| attah | kimmoli: have you tested the panasonic sensor? | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | slate: too much effort to do i think | 20:52 |
| kimmoli | 9 weeks deliverytime... | 20:53 |
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| kimmoli | attah: so it belongs to #soon | 20:53 |
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| cvp | kimmoli: hmmm after pause there charge again | 20:53 |
| attah | okay :) | 20:54 |
| kimmoli | maybe battery relax | 20:54 |
| cvp | oh ok stops again... no .. more is not possible | 20:54 |
| cvp | baterie has now 2,52 V its normal | 20:54 |
| kimmoli | i think it will keep cycling... i think the switch is good there... | 20:55 |
| cvp | a switch is a must have on it | 20:55 |
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| cvp | ok,... now i need a schematik to protect the batterie for charging... no mote than 3,8V | 20:56 |
| cvp | more | 20:57 |
| cvp | like a overvoltage protect :D | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade_: fit looks funny | 21:01 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: so at the end is that really an actual Sailfish OS booting on those devices, or just an android skin? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: tha's factual sailfish os on devices, i don't do skins | 21:03 |
| slate | wasnt there going to be launcher also? | 21:03 |
| tsukimori | the nexus thing? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | slate: sure, but i dn't do that :P | 21:04 |
| kimmoli | attah: https://www.eewiki.net/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=20939107 | 21:04 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: great :) I just recall Morpog_PC or someone else suggesting that it's just an android launcher or whatnot | 21:05 |
| slate | Stskeeps: heh, okey. Images are going to be available for free ? | 21:05 |
| tsukimori | what puzzles me more and more is what Jolla | 21:05 |
| tsukimori | 's business model is | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | slate: instructions on how to sign up to be an early adaptor is around on the web | 21:05 |
| Nekron_ | stskeeps: Real men hack devices :) | 21:05 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I still think purchasing a jolla was a better decision for me :) | 21:06 |
| slate | Stskeeps: Yea I heard /msg on irc with details could help. | 21:06 |
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| attah | kimmoli: cool, but that delivery time tho | 21:06 |
| kimmoli | attah: more https://www.eewiki.net/display/projects/Panasonic+GridEYE+Breakout+Board+and+GUI And not sold to EU by digikey. need other channels. | 21:07 |
| kimmoli | and i have design registration for TOH.. :) | 21:07 |
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| attah | well that's pretty bad of them :/ | 21:08 |
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| kimmoli | panasonic control is strict | 21:08 |
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| kimmoli | it took few weeks to get quotation | 21:09 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: I still have that omap^^ | 21:09 |
| vgrade_ | Stskeeps: looks more natural on wrist but seems not hackable | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade_: well nobody else hacked the galaxy gear.. | 21:10 |
| attah | kimmoli: so you'll deal to the rest of us? ;) | 21:10 |
| kimmoli | maybe we could show TOHIRI at next exhibition jolla is attending (autumn-ish) | 21:11 |
| kimmoli | attah: Uh... | 21:11 |
| slate | I'd love a fit. | 21:11 |
| kimmoli | attah: i'll let you try melexis :) | 21:11 |
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| attah | hehe | 21:12 |
| grzywacz | tsukimori, such hard questions :) | 21:12 |
| slate | Just need to get the services up and running on Jolla? :) | 21:12 |
| slate | And 4.4 to Jolla.. | 21:12 |
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| slate | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2596455 | 21:13 |
| Venemo | hm | 21:17 |
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| Venemo | is it just me, or is the Nokia X truly pointless? | 21:17 |
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| Sail0r | maybe it becomes a cheap sailfish device ;) | 21:18 |
| tsukimori | and butt-ugly | 21:18 |
| tsukimori | I'm actually amazed that they managed to make the WP UI *worse | 21:19 |
| tsukimori | * | 21:19 |
| Sail0r | everything becomes beautiful when sailfish is on ;) | 21:19 |
| Venemo | Sail0r ++ | 21:19 |
| tsukimori | :) | 21:19 |
| pp_ | notification center didn't look too bad | 21:19 |
| flotron | I want to see the sailfish launcher on nokia x :P | 21:19 |
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| pp_ | something I miss from the n9 | 21:20 |
| Venemo | I mean, I could (almost) understand this direction if it were 2-3 years ago... but now | 21:20 |
| slate | flotron: I bet you cant change the launcher on X | 21:20 |
| pp_ | at 90e might even get one as an offline navigator for the car :P | 21:21 |
| flotron | i think it could, the problem with apps should be only the ones with google services | 21:21 |
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| slate | flotron: what I meant was that possibly they wont let you choose your default launcher. | 21:22 |
| slate | But cant say, will test when I get one to my hands | 21:23 |
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| flotron | maybe, i reallt don't know how much android left inside nokia x | 21:24 |
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| pp_ | As much as in any chinese AOSP thingy, I'd guess | 21:25 |
| pp_ | and they won't have to pay 15e/phone in licensing fees to MS | 21:25 |
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| slate | But they have to pay to google which they dont :p | 21:26 |
| Anz_ | what's the best way to update apps installed from openrepos? individual packages were downloaded and installed. (not by enabling repositories) | 21:26 |
| petantik | Anz_: manual? there's a warehouse app too, but i dont know he features | 21:27 |
| kimmoli | attah: Panasonic = 1 LSB has 12 bit resolution which is equivalent to 0.0625℃ -- Melexis = To(i,j) = 4-root( (Vr(i,j)_comp/a(i,j))+ Ta+273.15)^4-273.15 , where Ta is... and Vr_comp is... | 21:27 |
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| Venemo | don't use openrepos, it can brick your device | 21:29 |
| slate | Dont walk in rain, it can brick your device. | 21:30 |
| petantik | is mitakuulu in jolla store yet? | 21:30 |
| petantik | if not, then openrepos is where i would get it from | 21:30 |
| Anz_ | so purge them all ? | 21:30 |
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| flotron | https://openrepos.net/sites/default/files/packages/26/harbour-mitakuuluu-0.1-31.armv7hl.rpm | 21:32 |
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| Anz_ | developer updates not enabled on settings. (only ssh enabled). and very selective on installation from openrepos.. only from pro developers (like venemo ;) and what appears 'stable' | 21:35 |
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| slate | I'd love to get developer updates on. | 21:36 |
| Eztran | Providing you know what's on the developer repos you have enabled, not really any problem. | 21:36 |
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| Venemo | Anz_: I don't have anything on openrepos at all, so I doubt that ;) | 21:39 |
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| Morpog_PC | Venemo, you understood me wrong, there is both an android sailfishos like launcher and full images | 21:42 |
| Venemo | Morpog_PC: aaah, ok | 21:42 |
| Venemo | sorry Morpog_PC I misunderstood | 21:42 |
| Morpog_PC | np | 21:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | you can read it from the press release | 21:45 |
| Morpog_PC | http://jolla.com/media/documents/MWC_Jolla_announcement_FINAL.pdf | 21:45 |
| Morpog_PC | finally, more options on camera app! | 21:45 |
| Morpog_PC | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhPXOA3IAAArxGG.jpg:large | 21:45 |
| kimmoli | a lots of them | 21:45 |
| slate | nice! | 21:46 |
| Morpog_PC | aaaand a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UrUNIruGI | 21:46 |
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| Morpog_PC | 1.0.4.1 in action :D | 21:47 |
| raa70 | can't you just take OH off and run with the phone? | 21:47 |
| tsukimori | aka the last beta? ;D | 21:47 |
| cvp | oh, po polsku :D | 21:48 |
| kimmoli | http://wilocity.com/media-center/press-releases/36 | 21:48 |
| slate | Morpog_PC: thanks for the picture link, useful | 21:49 |
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| slate | facebook harrasment may continue | 21:49 |
| Morpog_PC | new close animation/icon | 21:49 |
| Morpog_PC | internet sharing in settings | 21:49 |
| Morpog_PC | orientation (lock) settings | 21:50 |
| artemma | Learned that new Jolla release has WiFi tethering built in. Yeah.. a good needed feature, but.. WiFi tethering was one of the very best 3rd party apps. Why to kill the best work of very few developers while there is ton of other stuff to improve in device. Wouldn't it be way more logical to collaborate and help 3rd party author run as a daemon | 21:51 |
| artemma | ? | 21:51 |
| raa70 | maybe ot | 21:51 |
| tsukimori | because work may have been going on already when the 3rd party submitted their app? | 21:52 |
| Turski | Morpog_PC: is that already released? | 21:52 |
| artemma | What next? A built-in Facebook client with zero warning to SfietKontantin who spent hell a lot of effort on making Friends usable? | 21:52 |
| Quu | artemma: maybe because the tethering has been coded for couple months? | 21:52 |
| Quu | same with facebook | 21:52 |
| Morpog_PC | Turski, no | 21:52 |
| Turski | damn | 21:52 |
| tsukimori | also the most work on Friends is in qml-plugin-social, no? | 21:53 |
| * artemma is of course biased, because he's pissed off in general at how transparent Jolla is (not) about its plans for developers | 21:53 | |
| kimmoli | there is internal twitter account, but prefer tweetian still... | 21:53 |
| kimmoli | thats the freedom choice | 21:53 |
| Turski | i want fix for my damn charge-battery-at-96%-problem | 21:53 |
| Quu | artemma: keep coding flashlight apps what sends tracking information to your servers, we need more of shit like that | 21:53 |
| artemma | no, it's not, it's inability to make mind and make it clear | 21:53 |
| tsukimori | now what would be really cool: to be able to use the account configured via native stuff in tweetian | 21:53 |
| kimmoli | hmm | 21:54 |
| artemma | it's perfectly fine to develop whatever needed as a part of system, but it's good to let devs know earlier abt what's for system and what's for 3rd parties | 21:54 |
| artemma | why to compete with own fans? | 21:54 |
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| slate | who's competing | 21:54 |
| Morpog_PC | no one forces you to use the internal one | 21:55 |
| Turski | artemma: well, tethering just should be part of the OS | 21:55 |
| slate | giving oem-option is not competing imo. | 21:55 |
| Quu | artemma: there were eg. facebook client before they released the phone. | 21:55 |
| artemma | okay, maybe I am going a bit too far with tethering, it was quite obvious that it is going to be a part of the system.. | 21:55 |
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| artemma | still I'd focus effort on other areas f there's excellent 3rd party app for the same | 21:56 |
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| artemma | yeah, I guess a calm message from me should be something like: hmm, why did Jolla decide to spend effort exactly on system WiFi tethering while there's an excellent 3rd party app for it? | 21:57 |
| Turski | maybe tethering was naturally fixed with small effort while fixing the general wifi support? | 21:57 |
| Turski | (since it was already provided by connman) | 21:57 |
| Quu | iirc connman supports wifi tethering, it was just not implemented | 21:57 |
| * Morpog_PC wonders what happens if Jola builds flashlight into OS :D | 21:58 | |
| Turski | :D | 21:58 |
| Quu | Morpog_PC: lol | 21:58 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | well lats time used that tethering app my phone stated tu use 6 % battery per hour after i closed it | 21:58 |
| FireFly | for tethering http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_do_I_enable_WiFi_tethering.3F has always worked | 21:58 |
| FireFly | so I guess they've just built a UI around that | 21:58 |
| * w00t notes that https://together.jolla.com/question/299/wifi-tethering/ was answered back in december :) | 21:58 | |
| kimmoli | and even i made tetherin gui around that | 21:59 |
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| slate | and it worked like a charm | 21:59 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: flashlight is different. Without a single button start (e.g. long volume button press) a 3d party flashlight will never be as good as a system one. Will certainly make me personally sad, but more useful for everybody | 21:59 |
| artemma | w00t: thanks, noted | 22:00 |
| Morpog_PC | artemma, well you could write a daemon that monitors that key | 22:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | like coderus did with exteneded power menu on harmattan | 22:00 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: I was thinking about it and even made few trials. Seems to be tough [to me], but possible. Yet I think it's somehow wrong, that should be done centrally by Jolla | 22:01 |
| kimmoli | hmmm...mm..... nah have to go to sleep soon. vol up/down keys makes interrupts. maybe they can be exported userspace for events in parallel... | 22:01 |
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| * artemma wouldn't like to fight with e.g. music player for long button presses | 22:02 | |
| Morpog_PC | kimmoli whike you are at it, monitor power key too and add a menu where you can reboot and shut down the device :) | 22:02 |
| Morpog_PC | while | 22:02 |
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| Morpog_PC | :D | 22:02 |
| FireFly | menu on power button double-tap? | 22:03 |
| Morpog_PC | or on long press | 22:03 |
| kimmoli | powerkey can have long press when locked | 22:03 |
| kimmoli | it does not shutdown nor wakeup | 22:03 |
| Morpog_PC | unlocked of course | 22:03 |
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| Judy22 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:03 |
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| FireFly | Judy22: no thanks | 22:03 |
| artemma | kimmoli: hmm.. activating on long power button press when locked.. that sounds interesting | 22:04 |
| Morpog_PC | for flashlight sure | 22:04 |
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| kimmoli | it brings up the screen after few sec | 22:04 |
| artemma | yeah, doesn't feel as wrong as fighting for long volume key press | 22:04 |
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| kimmoli | or shutdown... äh | 22:05 |
| stephg_j_ | FireFly: don't feed the bots ;) | 22:05 |
| * Morpog_PC wonders if w00t listens carefully :D | 22:05 | |
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| FireFly | What does long-volume press do anyway? | 22:05 |
| w00t | Morpog_PC: more like drive-by monitoring... :) | 22:05 |
| kimmoli | changesd volume | 22:05 |
| FireFly | stephg_j_: I don't think it changes anything | 22:05 |
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| FireFly | but fair point | 22:05 |
| FireFly | kimmoli: oh. | 22:05 |
| Venemo | hey w00t :) | 22:05 |
| kimmoli | ok powerkey shuts down if you didnt lock from powerkey | 22:05 |
| w00t | o/ Venemo | 22:06 |
| Morpog_PC | kimmoli, we could report that as a bug :) | 22:06 |
| stephg_j_ | FireFly: you're probably right | 22:07 |
| kimmoli | have you tried to shake phone to keep it alive | 22:07 |
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| * kimmoli visaulises 387 people shaking their phones now | 22:08 | |
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| kimmoli | just heard that first tohkbd is now printed, second started... | 22:09 |
| Morpog_PC | kimmoli, i did after i read it on TJC | 22:09 |
| FireFly | kimmoli: I read about that on tjc.. haven't tried it though | 22:10 |
| Morpog_PC | found another feature in the video | 22:10 |
| Morpog_PC | when you scroll and hit the bottom, the screen fades to black, indicating that you cannot scroll further | 22:11 |
| Morpog_PC | like bounce-back on apple and nokia or fadeout on android | 22:11 |
| * kimmoli reverts my same text | 22:12 | |
| Morpog_PC | you can see it on 2:10 till 2:17 | 22:13 |
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| FireFly | Morpog_PC: do you have a link to the video handy? | 22:14 |
| FireFly | at hand* | 22:14 |
| Morpog_PC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UrUNIruGI | 22:14 |
| FireFly | thanks | 22:14 |
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| tsukimori | hee, the symbols indicating what a swipe is about to do are cool | 22:15 |
| FireFly | I like the changes to the "close" symbol | 22:16 |
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| FireFly | the current one is a bit too subtle | 22:16 |
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| FireFly | I'm also very eager to try the rotation lock thing... it sounds neat | 22:16 |
| tehdely | Hi @ | 22:16 |
| tehdely | ALL | 22:16 |
| tehdely | is there anywhere summarizing all of the jolla news from MWC in one place? | 22:16 |
| kimmoli | http://www.jollausers.com/2014/02/press-release-sailfish-for-android-special-otherhalves-and-a-lot-more/?utm_content=buffer9b3f9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer | 22:18 |
| Morpog_PC | no | 22:18 |
| FireFly | Not sure.. but at least there's https://together.jolla.com/question/29506/official-announcement-the-next-update-release-is-in-early-march/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UrUNIruGI | 22:18 |
| FireFly | and um | 22:18 |
| tehdely | cool man | 22:18 |
| tehdely | thanks | 22:18 |
| slate | orientation lock <3 | 22:18 |
| tsukimori | uhh dat urlgarbage | 22:18 |
| Morpog_PC | check the usual sites like talk.maemo.org jollausers.com jollatides.com http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/ | 22:19 |
| FireFly | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZdwNOeeqnl4/UwshBJFJm9I/AAAAAAAACTo/WHlp0C87FDg/s1600/jolla_sailfish_galaxyS3_others.jpg | 22:19 |
| tehdely | Morpog_PC: ah great, i didn't know some of those | 22:19 |
| Morpog_PC | aaand last but not least twitter :D | 22:19 |
| tehdely | i have just been checking jollatides but it seems to get updated in batches | 22:19 |
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| Morpog_PC | the jollausers guy is working at mwc on jolla booth | 22:20 |
| FireFly | I really mostly rely on #jollamobile for keeping up with important stuff :P | 22:20 |
| Morpog_PC | thejollablog.com is there too | 22:20 |
| Morpog_PC | I check all of them :D | 22:20 |
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| Morpog_PC | and twitter | 22:21 |
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| Morpog_PC | here are more videos from mwc: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2014/02/photos-and-videos-jolla-phone-at-mwc2014.html | 22:21 |
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| Morpog_PC | that jollagirl is well informed I must say :D | 22:24 |
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| Morpog_PC | but her voice annoys the shit out of me :) | 22:25 |
| Morpog_PC | Ahaha, Galaxy S5 Mini: https://twitter.com/jimboireland/status/438066841827954688/photo/1 | 22:27 |
| kimmoli | bandage? | 22:27 |
| Morpog_PC | seen the new S5 in gold? | 22:27 |
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| Morpog_PC | http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/530a0459eab8ea245ce2323a/big-beautiful-photos-of-samsungs-new-phone-the-galaxy-s5.jpg | 22:28 |
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| stephg_j_ | oh dear :) | 22:30 |
| Quu | OH DEER LORD | 22:30 |
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| cvp | Morpog_PC: look crapy | 22:31 |
| cvp | in gold | 22:31 |
| grzywacz | mass consumer gets to decide that :p | 22:32 |
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| VDVsx | "Apple gold" tm :D | 22:34 |
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| slate | kardashian-phone | 22:35 |
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| flotron | it is like the new Stacy Malibu, now with new hat!!! :D | 22:39 |
| stephg_j_ | lol flotron | 22:39 |
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| * kimmoli says GN | 22:41 | |
| kimmoli | on more https://twitter.com/TheLeeBase/status/438065149543710720 | 22:43 |
| slate | its new vs old | 22:44 |
| slate | from 2 different angles | 22:44 |
| tehdely | flotron: does that make jolla the Lisa Lionheart of mobiles ;) | 22:44 |
| flotron | haha exactly! | 22:46 |
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| stephg_j_ | night kimmoli | 22:47 |
| flotron | what are fandroids saying? | 22:47 |
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| tehdely | so what do people think of the nokia-phoning-home issue | 22:55 |
| tehdely | will that drive a few more finns to jolla? :> | 22:55 |
| tsukimori | nokia-phoning-home? | 22:55 |
| tehdely | https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/9516-nokia-smartphone-leaks-information-abroad.html | 22:55 |
| tehdely | idk how serious it is | 22:55 |
| tehdely | could be something like apple's gps caching stuff which got everyone all paranoid a few years back | 22:56 |
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| tsukimori | oh a WP thing | 22:59 |
| tsukimori | colour me surprised ^^ | 22:59 |
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| tehdely | i won't colour you but i will happily begrudge you a color | 23:01 |
| stephg_j_ | nnnnnnnng tehdely ;) | 23:02 |
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| stephg_j_ | right, bedtime | 23:03 |
| tehdely | nightnight | 23:03 |
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| stephg_j_ | night folks | 23:04 |
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