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| ar | https://together.jolla.com/question/29846/howto-custom-keyboard-layout-in-fingerterm-with-more-than-11-columns/ | 00:01 |
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| Agatha18 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 02:06 |
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| lpotter | it always happens at about 4 05 6 after the hour, in 2,3, or 4 hour interals | 04:01 |
| lpotter | 4 or 6 after | 04:01 |
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| lpotter | intervals even | 04:02 |
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| Ashley27 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 04:04 |
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| merlin1991 | hm we should make the channel invite only from x:04 to x:06 :D | 04:16 |
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| ericcc_ | two channel... | 04:34 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 06:33 |
| lpotter | morning | 06:35 |
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| ericcc | morning | 06:46 |
| ericcc | Stskeeps: the hackday is finnish? | 06:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ericcc: yeah it was in tampere | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | not sure what language it was in though | 06:55 |
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| ericcc | and had some pdf for this hackday | 06:56 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm i don't know, i wasn't there | 07:03 |
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| tbr | the hackday was in english | 07:09 |
| tbr | the presentation about hello world pro is available as far as I know | 07:09 |
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| ericcc | and then what is jollatre | 07:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ericcc: tre is short for 'tampere' :) | 07:19 |
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| tbr | the guy from jollareview blog was also there and interviewed people | 07:22 |
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| ericcc | and teach somebody study qt:) | 07:27 |
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| Agatha20 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | oh will you stop it | 08:04 |
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| mikma | whee \o/ | 08:18 |
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| ar | Stskeeps: they seem to have the same problem on erlang's channel | 08:37 |
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| kimmoli | You can find funny video here: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/02/jolla-hack-day-devaamo-tampere.html | 08:38 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: don't ban me | 08:39 |
| tbr | :D | 08:39 |
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| ln- | http://www.hs.fi/sunnuntai/Nokian+Lumia-puhelin+vuotaa+tietoja+ulkomaille/a1393046974949 | 08:46 |
| Jope | zomg | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEsNZdcw_cU - you'll want to see this one | 08:53 |
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| tbr | oh, another funny video! :D | 08:58 |
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| Morpog_PC | nice sledges! | 08:58 |
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| skvark | https://vimeo.com/87360711 made this last night :) | 09:01 |
| tbr | it's funny-video-day! | 09:02 |
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| Morpog_PC | interesting to see, that creating ambiences takes alot longer on the nexus4 compared to the Jolla device | 09:02 |
| sledges | buy a jolla ;P | 09:03 |
| Morpog_PC | another one? :D | 09:03 |
| ln- | why not | 09:03 |
| sledges | never enough :)) | 09:03 |
| Pnuu | catamaran sailing | 09:04 |
| * tbr is pondering to upgrade his catamaran to a trimaran | 09:04 | |
| sledges | it's devel version, lots of logging | 09:04 |
| * tbr has two jollas and that nexus4 video looks promising | 09:05 | |
| sledges | n4 as a sail ;) | 09:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | it's great to see nexus devices targeted | 09:05 |
| tbr | Nexus7 as the sail | 09:05 |
| sledges | why not dual sails then :) | 09:06 |
| Morpog_PC | and my Jolla is the Sialor? | 09:06 |
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| tbr | soon we'll have a whole Armada | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: i think it's just some bad tuning of fs in this particular case | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | also, higher resolution | 09:07 |
| Morpog_PC | do those ports also use btrfs? | 09:07 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, I guessed the quad core and better gpu should easily handle the higher resolution :) | 09:08 |
| Morpog_PC | but hey, for a WIP it's looking great so far | 09:09 |
| Morpog_PC | I just wish sledges would have started campera in the video :D | 09:09 |
| Morpog_PC | camera | 09:09 |
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| redtime | Hi, is there any way to get a new display? Unfortunately my Jolla met the ground... :( | 10:05 |
| ggabriel | redtime: i'd email care@jolla.com for that | 10:06 |
| redtime | ggabriel: any answer? | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | ? | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | you have to email :) | 10:07 |
| redtime | okok :) | 10:07 |
| TMavica | any live streaming of jolla in mwc? | 10:08 |
| mikma | redtime: sure there is for the price of 250e | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't it 219 last time? | 10:09 |
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| stn^ | and you can find used jolla in finland for sub 250e | 10:10 |
| TMavica | stskeeps wts the time start? | 10:10 |
| louisdk | I keep getting notifications about the 1.3.8 update even trough it's installed. If I install it again I'll get the notification again tomorrow. | 10:10 |
| TMavica | spain time? | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: doubt there's streaming fwiw | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's a trade fair | 10:10 |
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| TMavica | ok. | 10:11 |
| redtime | mikma: and do you have any link to the shop where I can order it or should I write the email care@jolla.com? | 10:12 |
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| TMavica | Jolla official office in Hong Kong , will be a Jolla care? Want to hv a visit, LOL | 10:14 |
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| mikma | redtime: all i can tell you now is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92581 | 10:16 |
| mikma | redtime: optima / dna -> 210e apparently | 10:16 |
| TMavica | stskeeps, do u know who is Li Ka Shing? | 10:16 |
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| Stskeeps | TMavica: hmm no | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | dna is a good option if you're in finland | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | and it will cost you, yeah | 10:18 |
| TMavica | LOL.. | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | i guess for the rest of us you'll have to ship it back | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | erm... we'll have to... * | 10:19 |
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| Venemo | morning :) | 10:27 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: o/ | 10:27 |
| Venemo | hey ggabriel :) | 10:28 |
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| wickwire | Hi, anyone working with TOH ambiances? | 11:23 |
| wickwire | I'm trying to build the template from the TOH SDK on Linux | 11:23 |
| wickwire | and I'm getting errors when building the RPM | 11:23 |
| wickwire | http://hastebin.com/kefebedeji.vhdl < the output I'm getting | 11:25 |
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| wickwire | I tested building/deploying on a windows environment and it worked, the rpm was built - the SailfishOS SDK was updated same as linux, | 11:26 |
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| wickwire | just didn't update the Qt Creator IDE | 11:27 |
| wickwire | it seems to me that the qmake step inside the Mer VM isn't working properly, but I'm not being able to debug the issue | 11:28 |
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| wickwire | I've read online that some of these errors relating to rpm generation may be connected to windows generated files when used in windows, | 11:29 |
| wickwire | so I've also tried to re-create the project from scratch in linux | 11:29 |
| wickwire | but the error still persists | 11:29 |
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| Venemo | wickwire: please take this to #sailfishos | 11:30 |
| wickwire | Venemo thanks I will do that | 11:30 |
| Venemo | wickwire: generally, this channel is more user-oriented and that channel is more developer-oriented | 11:31 |
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| wickwire | ahhhh ok ok - sorry about the mixup | 11:32 |
| wickwire | I went with this one because I thought I was something jolla specific | 11:32 |
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| tobiski | oh no, my phone apparently went into bootloop :< | 11:57 |
| tobiski | it has 56% battery left and rebooted itself all of a sudden | 11:57 |
| tobiski | it showed few times the lodaing image and booted up correctly, but then again it rebooted and now it's just showing the charging image for while and vibrates shortly | 11:58 |
| mikma | pull the battery for like 10 mins and see what happens after | 11:58 |
| tobiski | just take it of straight away? or do I need to power it down first by holding the power button? does it matter? | 11:59 |
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| tobiski | hmm, it managed to boot now | 12:00 |
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| tobiski | I didn't do anyting | 12:01 |
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| tobiski | probably on the 30th time it booted up all the way | 12:01 |
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| Sandy28 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 12:04 |
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| ggabriel_ | ok, some things in tjc are priceless | 12:16 |
| ggabriel_ | kind of puts things in perspective | 12:16 |
| Andy80 | do you know how to manually set the online presence on Jolla? I mean Online/Away/Offline etc...? (in Gtalk, Facebook chats..) | 12:16 |
| ggabriel_ | Andy80: from the events menu? | 12:17 |
| ggabriel_ | you only have available/away/offline | 12:17 |
| ggabriel_ | as in: pulley menu from the events screen* | 12:17 |
| Andy80 | oh right thanks... | 12:18 |
| ggabriel_ | have a quick look at jolla.com/guide btw | 12:18 |
| Andy80 | I just wanted to do a test, but I think there is a bug in general.... | 12:18 |
| ggabriel_ | full of nifty tricks | 12:19 |
| Andy80 | I explain | 12:19 |
| ggabriel_ | ok | 12:19 |
| Andy80 | I see many contacts offline | 12:19 |
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| Andy80 | but they're online both on GTalk and Facebook (I see them on my PC) | 12:19 |
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| ggabriel_ | not sure i managed to bother trying that :P | 12:20 |
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| Quu | Andy80: bad connection to servers maybe | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | or bad servers, if we talk about google or facebook ;) | 12:21 |
| Andy80 | well... the point is that is supposed to work properly :) | 12:21 |
| * ggabriel just joking | 12:21 | |
| Andy80 | and it was, in the first releases | 12:21 |
| Andy80 | :) | 12:21 |
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| Venemo | my latest annoyance: https://together.jolla.com/question/29909/bug-jolla-reminds-you-of-birthdays-even-if-birthays-calendar-is-disabled/ | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | ok, Andy80, just did a tiny test and worked for me | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | with a couple of facebook accounts | 12:28 |
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| ln- | my latest minor annoyance: https://together.jolla.com/question/23805/pulley-menu-could-move-quicker-in-landscape-mode/ | 12:29 |
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| Andy80 | tried to disconnect wifi and reconnect again... the message application seems not to care about real online/offline status of people | 12:45 |
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| ggabriel | this one is pretty annoying and isn't getting enough attention... https://together.jolla.com/question/22313/bug-email-inbox-is-indicated-as-trashcan-after-emptying-trashcan1038/ | 12:51 |
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| ggabriel | the question is a mess tho | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | i'm asking the author if i can rewrite it :) | 12:55 |
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| Nichope | you three (Venemo jpnurmi w00t_ ) : thanks for the landscape mode support in irc :) (yeah, I have just discovered it 2 days after updating :P) | 13:22 |
| Venemo | Nichope: you're welcome | 13:24 |
| Venemo | :) | 13:24 |
| Morpog_PC | Venemo, maybe add a changelog to garbour app description like many develoeprs do? | 13:27 |
| Morpog_PC | harbour | 13:27 |
| Sail0r | ha love it :) sunny day = happy day = jolla got a happy coloured toh instead of the black one | 13:28 |
| Morpog_PC | poppy red? :D | 13:29 |
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| Sail0r | yep ;) | 13:29 |
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| pahartik | Venemo: Is it known problem that text wrapping is not adjusted when switching between portrait and landscape mode? | 13:34 |
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| pahartik | Venemo: Line wrapping on "communi-sailfish" | 13:35 |
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| Venemo | pahartik: can you please open an issue about it on GitHub? | 13:36 |
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| zbenjamin | hey you guys looking into the telegram messenger already? | 13:40 |
| zbenjamin | it seems to be completely open | 13:40 |
| tbr | zbenjamin: is there either a telepathy or a libpurple plugin? | 13:42 |
| zbenjamin | tbr: no but protocol, api and sourcecode is completely available. Lots of people seem to jump on it since the facebook whatsapp thing | 13:43 |
| zbenjamin | https://telegram.org/ | 13:43 |
| tbr | I'm still on XMPP and a very happy camper | 13:44 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/23838/app-request-client-for-telegram/ | 13:44 |
| * cb400f thinks the whatsapp acquisition made xmpp more relevant than ever | 13:44 | |
| Sail0r | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92741 | 13:45 |
| Sail0r | I am so happy that i've never used whatsapp ^^ | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | https://telegram.org/faq#q-how-is-telegram-different-from-whatsapp | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | "Thanks to our multi-data center infrastructure" | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | meh | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | yet another whatsapp | 13:45 |
| * tbr will stay with XMPP, no sense in jumping on $latest_hip_im_protocol_that_will_die_tomorrow | 13:46 | |
| zbenjamin | cb400f: does xmpp have the feature of, you can instantly chat to all people in your phonebook? Because if not, then it will not be picked up sadly | 13:46 |
| Venemo | tbr ++ | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: yeah, that means giving your contacts to some company | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | also, if you add me to your phonebook, you won't be able to speak to me as i don't use telegram | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | so i think that's an overstatement of what telegram can do | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | it's just another whatsapp | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | xmpp ftw | 13:47 |
| cb400f | zbenjamin: adding your jabber/xmpp account on Jolla/sailfish adds your jabber/xmpp contacts to the phonebook, and lets you communicate with them via the sms/texting app | 13:48 |
| cb400f | (at least I think so, only set up my accounts yesterday, and so far noone seems to have responded to my (test) messages | 13:49 |
| tbr | zbenjamin: given that I do NOT want to be in some "spam X-hundred people with $cute_cat_video_link" chat, I'm a happy camper and many other people are too. | 13:49 |
| tbr | yes it does | 13:49 |
| * tbr uses it regularly | 13:49 | |
| ggabriel | fwiw, whatsapp downlaods your phonebook any time it wants (it's in the tos) | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | and now they sold that info to facebook :) | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | cb400f: sailfish doesn't add contacts automatically | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | (not yet) | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | so, you have to have your jabber/xmpp contacts pre authorised | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | but the harmattan has been doing this for years anyway | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | waits for auth, lets you chat afterwards | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | s/the harmattan/harmattan/ :) | 13:50 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: i realize that , but people tend to like that its easy and just works, no need for exchanging nicknames or whatever and you automatically see if someone starts to use whatsapp | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | ok, but you have to exchange something, right? | 13:52 |
| tbr | those people are free to jump band waggons, doesn't mean I have to | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | email, number, something | 13:52 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: no | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | no? | 13:52 |
| tbr | ggabriel: 'magic pixie dust' apparently ;) | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | srsly? | 13:52 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: yes of course :) you need your friends phonenumber but you have that anyway | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | how does telegram know who i am then? | 13:52 |
| Sail0r | that's true but privacy and easy are sometimes not compatible | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | right | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | so they store your number, great news! | 13:52 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: technically your phonenumber is you nickname. | 13:52 |
| * tbr doesn't have most people's phone number | 13:52 | |
| ggabriel | ok, i don't like it already | 13:52 |
| cb400f | :-) | 13:53 |
| tbr | my XMPP roster on the other hand... | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | line is better | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | and it's as closed | 13:53 |
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| ggabriel | actually, line has a desktop client | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | so you may as well use line | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | if you are into non-secure non-private means of communication | 13:53 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: i don't know how telegram does it, but technically unique checksum of the phonenumber should work too | 13:54 |
| Sail0r | telegram has also desktop clients | 13:54 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: thats how whatsapp does it | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | line doesn't steal your phone number | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | just your email address | 13:54 |
| zbenjamin | telegram is cloud based it seems, you can access your messages from n clients | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | which is easier to discard | 13:54 |
| Sail0r | https://core.telegram.org/mtproto | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | everything is cloud based | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | cloud isn't related to clients either | 13:55 |
| Sail0r | https://core.telegram.org/api/auth | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | you can host your service with 1 server and have support for multiple clients | 13:55 |
| Sail0r | telegram looks well documented | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | well, they want your data | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | at least they can document how thye'll do it properly :) | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | anyway, i'll stop with the hate | 13:55 |
| * ggabriel wonders why don't we all use xmpp | 13:55 | |
| Sail0r | you never get "normal" people to use xmpp | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: what about facebook? | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | they use xmpp | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | so, i can set up fb chat in the jolla | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | no need for extra client and so on | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | same with gtalk, altho they'll make their own protocol now | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | xmpp supports voice calls etc | 13:57 |
| Sail0r | but they don't want to setup anything | 13:57 |
| Sail0r | they want to install a app and that's it | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | you can set up your fb account? | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | i mean | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | fb is easy for the normal joe | 13:57 |
| Sail0r | never setup a facebook account *g* | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | and it lets you set up an xmpp client if you want | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | same with gtalk in the past | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | but you see my point? | 13:58 |
| Sail0r | yep | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | big corpos using standards | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | it's a nice thing | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | get an obscure OS with xmpp support and you're connected | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | with telegram you need a client | 13:58 |
| Sail0r | whatsapp was also based on xmpp according to some articles | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | and that's just the client argument | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | nah, bs | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | well, actually, "based" is a tricky word | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | android is based on linux | 13:59 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: yeah because facebook doesn't want your data ;) | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | so is the vmware hypervisor | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: that's why i said that that was the client argument | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | the server is a different story | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | ideally, you want something p2p, end to end encrypted | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | also, you have otr to use with facebook | 13:59 |
| zbenjamin | yeah | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | so they won't get much | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | xmpp does some sort of p2p | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | so servers can route conversations through one another | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | google used to support that | 14:00 |
| zbenjamin | at least the telegram is is encrypted :) | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | but they claim there's a lot of spam so they switched it off | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | i doubt it | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | i bet they have all your conversations in their servers | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 14:00 |
| Sail0r | encrypted or plaintext? | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | does it make any difference? | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | they have the key | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | in fact, will we ever know? | 14:00 |
| Sail0r | it's the same thing with threema | 14:01 |
| Sail0r | which many people in germany starting to use | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | yup, loads of these services | 14:01 |
| Sail0r | they say it's end-to-end encrypted | 14:01 |
| Sail0r | but nobody knows | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | otr encrypts end to end | 14:01 |
| Sail0r | it's closed and no documentation anywhere | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | but you need clinet support | 14:01 |
| Sail0r | but many people trust threema because it's from switzerland | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | lol | 14:02 |
| Sail0r | but why should i trust switzerland? | 14:02 |
| louisdk | I keep getting notifications about the 1.3.8 update even trough it's installed. If I install it again I'll get the notification again tomorrow. | 14:02 |
| Sail0r | louisdk: known bug search for it on tjc | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: they stopped for me, but i think it's a known bug | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: so be patient :) | 14:03 |
| Sail0r | i hope it's fixed with the march release | 14:03 |
| Pnuu | I've never had those | 14:04 |
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| Zoe19 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 14:04 |
| Sail0r | .. | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | lol | 14:04 |
| Quu | huehue | 14:04 |
| Pnuu | but then, I have my phone very rarely on wlan | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | ok, this bot at least is funny | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: mine is always on wlan | 14:04 |
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| Sail0r | The funniest thing this week is reading about the whatsapp users migrating to other services | 14:05 |
| Sail0r | because fb is evil and whatsapp was not | 14:05 |
| Sail0r | lol | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | +1 | 14:06 |
| Venemo | heh | 14:06 |
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| stn^ | they should change to irc | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | no, can't do, irc is only for hackers | 14:07 |
| Sail0r | freenode ddosed by whatsapp users? ^^ | 14:07 |
| bencoh | :)) | 14:09 |
| louisdk | Sail0r,ggabriel: Cool. I'll just ignore it then. Just wanted to know :) | 14:09 |
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| leonov | hi all... just a qick question, is there any info on when will new update be available? | 14:47 |
| Yaniel | before the end of the month I suppose | 14:47 |
| TMavica | Early of March | 14:47 |
| Quu | 5th? | 14:48 |
| Quu | erh | 14:48 |
| leonov | next two weeks then... | 14:48 |
| Yaniel | yep, not too long | 14:48 |
| Quu | yeah sorry, wrong channel with updates lol | 14:48 |
| Yaniel | I hope the update after that is on april 1st | 14:48 |
| tbr | this has been answered on TJC... | 14:48 |
| leonov | :-))) | 14:48 |
| leonov | tbr: tnx. | 14:49 |
| Yaniel | ah | 14:49 |
| Yaniel | right mwc | 14:49 |
| Yaniel | makes sense | 14:49 |
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| Morpog_PC | http://instagram.com/jollagirls | 15:25 |
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| stn^ | whoa today's best link | 15:27 |
| Morpog_PC | and it wasn't from Amy :D | 15:28 |
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| korhojoa | heh, i know one of those girls | 15:28 |
| Yaniel | Miku :o | 15:29 |
| Yaniel | what bothers me is why is the highlight colour of that ambience not turquoise | 15:29 |
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| Venemo | Morpog_PC: wow, had no idea there's such a thing | 15:37 |
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| Morpog_PC | interesting, looks like OTG support is coming somewhere in the future: https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded/commit/44ebf5d79606a2ecb305e58ae71450dfe8853d16 | 15:43 |
| korhojoa | nice. | 15:45 |
| Venemo | Morpog_PC: OTG is not the same as host mode | 15:45 |
| Venemo | please don't confuse people | 15:46 |
| Morpog_PC | oh I thought so | 15:46 |
| Venemo | ctrl+f on that link and search for OTG | 15:46 |
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| Morpog_PC | well I did before | 15:47 |
| Morpog_PC | USB On-The-Go, often abbreviated USB OTG or just OTG, is a specification that allows USB devices such as digital audio players or mobile phones to act as a host, allowing other USB devices like a USB flash drive, digital camera, mouse, or keyboard to be attached to them. | 15:47 |
| Venemo | read the article further... | 15:47 |
| Venemo | I'm tired of having this argument over and over again | 15:48 |
| Morpog_PC | sorry Venemo :( | 15:48 |
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| Venemo | Morpog_PC: basically, OTG is the ability to decide whether the thing should act as a host or as a slave: ie. if you plug a device into a computer, it will be a slave, but if you plug a pendrive into your device it will be a host | 15:59 |
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| tbr | Venemo: it's a bit more than that. it can do dynamic negotiation between devices which one should be master/slave. what you describe is just the 'dumb' version of ID-pin based switching ;) | 16:08 |
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| zetaz | Venemo: So what landed in nemo would be a "manual" way to switch by hand the USB in host mode ? | 16:20 |
| Venemo | zetaz: I dunno | 16:20 |
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| Venemo | I just don't like when people jump to random conclusions | 16:20 |
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| zetaz | Venemo: ok. I have at work a board which has a USB port that can be both host and slave, but lacking OTG. So we have to write to a file of the driver what mode we want, and it switches to it. I never really used it, as I am not sure how the USB power line is managed and protected and don't want to make big smoke cloud ;). Maybe this patch is a part of such functionnality, or is needed for OTH in the future... who knows... | 16:26 |
| phdeswer | zetaz: basically yes. It would be a manual way to switch the USB to host. | 16:26 |
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| zetaz | phdeswer: ok. thanks | 16:26 |
| phdeswer | I mixed up OTG/host a bit to be honest. | 16:26 |
| thedead1440 | Hmm so jolla showed a new pathway to WP too with libhybris? "Additionally, Microsoft also announced that any company can build a Windows Phone using Qualcomm's Reference Design; interestingly, this means that Android-based hardware could potentially be reused for Windows Phone." | 16:27 |
| zetaz | phdeswer: ah ok. | 16:27 |
| zetaz | thedead1440: do you have a link ? | 16:28 |
| phdeswer | Well I called it fake OTG so it basically it does not really matter | 16:28 |
| phdeswer | Just a small result of the Jolla hack day in Tampere. | 16:29 |
| thedead1440 | zetaz: http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/23/microsoft-lg-lenovo-windows-phone/ | 16:29 |
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| zetaz | thedead1440: thanks | 16:29 |
| thedead1440 | Wild guess; we may be approaching the stage where except for iOS most other OSes can be installed on any device... | 16:30 |
| Venemo | NOTE: jolla already confirmed that the device does NOT support OTG | 16:30 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah from reading the commit again it looks more like mass storage mode, but hey don't trust my words :D | 16:31 |
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| zetaz | Venemo: apparently Nexus 4 has OTG ... | 16:32 |
| Morpog_PC | zetaz, Venemo was talking about the Jolla device | 16:32 |
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| phdeswer | Yes Jolla does not support OTG (wrong connector, no power etc) | 16:33 |
| zetaz | Morpog_PC: I understood, just wanted to say that not only the Jolla device will benefit from nemo in the near future. | 16:33 |
| phdeswer | If some things go in usb_moded that does not necessarily mean it will be available for Jolla. I just happen to use the Jolla as it is the platform I can work the easiest on. | 16:34 |
| p2-mate | ah, so a little hw hacking and can do host :) | 16:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | phdeswer, well in this case the commit modified a file called host_mode_jolla.ini :D | 16:35 |
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| phdeswer | Morpog_PC: indeed. The kernel supports switching the USB to host mode. If that works no idea. | 16:36 |
| phdeswer | And I know because I do usb_moded ;) | 16:36 |
| Morpog_PC | it even was your commit ,) | 16:36 |
| Morpog_PC | ;) | 16:36 |
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| phdeswer | Well it is for the Jolla, but in no way official. ;) | 16:37 |
| Venemo | nah, don't try to wash your hands | 16:41 |
| Venemo | your dirty little secret is out now | 16:41 |
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| phdeswer | Venemo: well people asked for things, I obliged ;) | 16:42 |
| Venemo | phdeswer: and it's awesome | 16:44 |
| Venemo | phdeswer: hopefully there's gonna be an app (maybe not necessary official) for the jolla which'll make use of this ;) | 16:44 |
| * tbr has a collection of 'special' cables. one side micro-b other side A-socket | 16:44 | |
| Venemo | I have such an adapter too, somewhere in my drawer | 16:45 |
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| tbr | one of them is a filed down CA-157 :D | 16:46 |
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| phdeswer | Well you can just copy the config file from the commit to your Jolla )in the right spot) Send -HUP to usb_moded and you should be able to switch to host mode with usb_moded_util -s host_mode and tell me if it works ;) | 16:46 |
| tbr | phdeswer: does the production kernel support personality switching? | 16:47 |
| phdeswer | tbr: in theory. I do not know if it actually does what is expected from it. | 16:47 |
| zetaz | I have one from my N8, back in the time where that feature was standard ;) But it was lacking support for most things that are not input/storage... | 16:47 |
| tbr | ok, let me set up my 'usual' setup for usb host mode hacking. cables, usb hub for 5V injection, etc | 16:48 |
| Venemo | maybe it's also worth to check if the jolla can supply some power | 16:49 |
| phdeswer | Well we sure can sit together to get it to work. And I do not mind injecting missing bits in the kernel if I can ;) | 16:49 |
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| * phdeswer runs now. Getting a free dinner from friends for watching their dog. | 16:50 | |
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| * kimmoli recommends not to sneeze when mouth full of noodles :( | 16:57 | |
| Venemo | kimmoli +1 | 16:59 |
| kimmoli | Advertising some progress with TOHKBD: Here is one funny video for you, hope you like it: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1413952&postcount=551 | 17:01 |
| Venemo | kimmoli: nice! | 17:02 |
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| tbr | phdeswer: Sorry an error occured, your request was not processed. | 17:05 |
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| tbr | phdeswer: I also tried writing directly to that sysfs node but it fails with "Permission denied" | 17:06 |
| tbr | needs a longer look at kernel level I guess | 17:06 |
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| sledges | kimmoli: very cool! | 17:08 |
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| Isabella27 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 18:04 |
| tsukimori | this is getting old | 18:04 |
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| Quu | hue | 18:12 |
| Quu | someone else than me should go to #help / #freenode and whine about it | 18:12 |
| Quu | i have whined ~3 times about it but they do nothing | 18:12 |
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| Emily19 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:05 |
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| Nicd- | sigh | 20:08 |
| Nicd- | funny this is the only network I see spam in regularly | 20:08 |
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| FireFly | it's really only in here and #sailfishos, for me anyway | 20:12 |
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| Nicd- | me too | 20:13 |
| Nicd- | though I'm only on two additional channels | 20:13 |
| tsukimori | at least this is not the only network to suffer from regular DDoSing recently | 20:13 |
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| FireFly | I'm on 45-or-so additional channels on freenode | 20:15 |
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| FireFly | I should do something about that.. | 20:15 |
| Sail0r | i wonder why the freenode providers are not able to mitigate the ddos attack | 20:15 |
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| tbr | oh, I think I have a suspicion | 20:16 |
| FireFly | Quu: maybe we should send abuse@ mails to the ISP of the IPs they connect from | 20:16 |
| tbr | I think the spammers come here as the channels are not +p or +s | 20:16 |
| tbr | that means they show in /list | 20:17 |
| FireFly | Most channels aren't secret/hidden though | 20:17 |
| Nicd- | yeah | 20:17 |
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| Nicd- | FireFly: probably botnets | 20:18 |
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| FireFly | It'd be nice if we could redirect users with nicknames matching [A-Z][a-z]+\d\d to another channel, with a topic explaining the situation | 20:19 |
| FireFly | Too bad ban-masks aren't that powerful | 20:20 |
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| pdanek | Is there any, even little hope, of official keyboard-half on MWC? That community one taken from Motorola isn't so good. :/ | 20:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Sounds more like the "community" one will be declared official :P | 20:43 |
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| clau | how ate notifications from android apps treated? do we get visual&audio? (haven't actually tried any) | 22:04 |
| clau | *are | 22:04 |
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| Ashley25 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:04 |
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| lpotter | Stskeeps: ^^ block here too | 22:09 |
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| ottulo | clau: at least some appear on lock screen and notifications | 22:20 |
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| clau | apparently whatsapp is attacking again the opensource apps. | 22:22 |
| clau | probably mitakuuluu soon too. | 22:23 |
| dunp | what? | 22:24 |
| clau | so I might have to use the official client :( | 22:24 |
| dunp | why it not like oss client? | 22:25 |
| clau | I like it, wh probably doesn't. | 22:26 |
| clau | https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2014-02-12-WhatsApp.md | 22:30 |
| clau | not exactly new, though. | 22:34 |
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