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| Hartzi | fuck I hate those bots | 08:43 |
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| Venemo_j | so | 08:48 |
| Venemo_j | time for february update? | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: there was a together.* post.. hang on | 08:48 |
| tbr | Venemo_j: time for the craze around it at least | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/29506/official-announcement-the-next-update-release-is-in-early-march/ | 08:48 |
| tbr | I highly suspect it's going to be after MWC | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, we actually communicate on it..) | 08:49 |
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| Venemo_j | ah, thanks Stskeeps | 08:49 |
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| messerting | So, why do Jolla wait till after MWC for the next update? | 08:50 |
| messerting | To get away with all the marketing talk, before the community get the chance to say if version 1.0 is usable or not? I think so. Comments? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | ouch :) | 08:51 |
| Venemo_j | messerting: lol | 08:51 |
| Venemo_j | hm | 08:51 |
| messerting | :) | 08:51 |
| lpotter | heh | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's much more sinister than that, preparing for big demos always take out resources that would normally go into pushing updates out | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | be it QA, designer, coder resources | 08:51 |
| tbr | messerting: I suspect it's more of a "software is ready, we can show it at MWC, but no time to do release QA thing" | 08:51 |
| mikma | i sure hope it's usable. because 1.0.3.8 is quite horrible | 08:51 |
| Venemo_j | tracker sometimes forgets everything on the SD card? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | so to ensure quality, it's better to delay a bit | 08:52 |
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| Venemo_j | I'm all for quality | 08:52 |
| messerting | But you already had the fix for random shutdowns for a while now, why not release it? | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | messerting: it goes into the same bucket, putting out hotfixes especially in key areas require approximately the same amount of resources as a full release. | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'm looking forward to getting the release out, my wife is nagging me about some issues | 08:53 |
| messerting | Nah, I shouldn't bother you, I hope the best for the MWC, and am looking forward to the next update. | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | so, speaking to the choir, but things need to take the time they need to | 08:53 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: thanks for communicating it this clearly! the comms people deserve a pat on their shoulders! | 08:54 |
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| mikma | ah the wives. the most demanding users ever | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | i follow development releases, you guys can be truly happy that you don't have to suffer through some of the problems that branch has once in a while | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | no QA whatsoever | 08:56 |
| Venemo_j | heh | 08:57 |
| Venemo_j | oh, found new bug | 08:58 |
| messerting | QA is good. But I am a bit worried about what direction Jolla will take. | 08:59 |
| Venemo_j | if you delete an event in the calendar app but switch to a different day before the remorse timer is completed, the event is not deleted | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | messerting: oh? | 08:59 |
| messerting | 3.party cloudstorage before owncloud support...? | 08:59 |
| messerting | Microsoft exchange sync, but no caldav? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's a consumer offering - personally i'd like owncloud support and i bet my wife would like caldav | 09:00 |
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| messerting | The hardcore early adopters expects nothing less than Nokia N9. Will we get what we hope for, or will Jolla focus on "Angry birds" first..? :P | 09:01 |
| Venemo_j | well | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | you should have been the 2000+ elements list of requirements for nokia n9 | 09:01 |
| Venemo_j | they need to get into thr head of the average user, too | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | we'd have shipped in 2018 | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | been/seen | 09:01 |
| tbr | messerting: the hardcore people have skipped that step and are extending the os by themselves, go figure | 09:01 |
| Venemo_j | nah | 09:02 |
| ln- | messerting: the N9 offered Angry birds pre-installed, so... | 09:02 |
| tbr | because most of it is open source | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | personally i believe more in enablers, provide a good simple platform that can be extended | 09:02 |
| Venemo_j | the middleware that's behind that thing - the framework for sync and whatnot - is open source | 09:02 |
| tbr | +1 | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | ie, accounts framework, sane interfaces for cloud interfacing, different IM protocol, etc | 09:02 |
| lpotter | n9 also had hundreds more developers | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, 2000+ vs 90.. | 09:02 |
| Venemo_j | you can go and contribute | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | not developers all of them, i'm sure that 1900 was middle managers | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:03 |
| lpotter | hehhehe | 09:03 |
| messerting | haha, get your point :) | 09:03 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: lol | 09:03 |
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| Stskeeps | but anyway.. we're working hard to provide as much as we can as we go along | 09:06 |
| Venemo_j | :) | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | plus (please don't throw rocks at me) being able to have sailfishos on multiple devices | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | with a common os, just seperate hw adaptations | 09:08 |
| mikma | i'd love to see a requirement list for android devices that can run sailfishos | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | can it run cm10.1? | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | ..that's about it | 09:09 |
| messerting | Stskeeps: That is truly awesome, and something we have longed for on mobile for years | 09:09 |
| mikma | oh.. | 09:09 |
| messerting | separate os from hw, I mean | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | but there's still some sweat and grease needed | 09:09 |
| mikma | because i know that ie. samsung galaxy s3 mini has so closed up cpu that it's a pain for the developing community | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 09:10 |
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| Venemo_j | hm | 10:02 |
| Venemo_j | why would anyone want to use ARM for servers? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | lower power usage? | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | another option (competition is good) | 10:03 |
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| Emily27 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 10:04 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't try tho | 10:04 |
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| Venemo_j | well | 10:05 |
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| Venemo_j | lower power consumption is good, but since when can ARM even come close to intel in terms of performance? | 10:06 |
| ln- | not all servers are that performance critical. | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | what ln- said | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | in practice you often have a bunch of semi idle servers | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | thta's why virtualisation is so popular... nobody needs real performance | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | or almost nobody | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | (that's why my laptop performs better than an XL amazon instance....) | 10:07 |
| Venemo_j | heh | 10:07 |
| Venemo_j | well, why not | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | this conversation reminds me of vmware's pitch: we guarantee that your servers will be utilised 100% and you won't waste infrastructure | 10:09 |
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| Venemo_j | I can see the point, but it still seems like a long shot | 10:11 |
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| Sail0r | is data in younite encrypted by default? | 11:06 |
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| Morpog_ | doesn't seem so Sail0r | 11:15 |
| Morpog_ | http://blog.younited.com/2013/10/22/privacy-by-design/ | 11:15 |
| Morpog_ | or | 11:16 |
| Morpog_ | wait | 11:16 |
| Morpog_ | lol | 11:16 |
| Morpog_ | http://blog.younited.com/2013/11/05/building-security-in/ | 11:16 |
| Sail0r | hm about:addons is not available in webcat :-/ | 11:16 |
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| Morpog_ | why should it, it's not based on Gecko | 11:17 |
| ggabriel | webkit | 11:17 |
| Sail0r | ah i thought it's also based on gecko | 11:17 |
| Sail0r | I hope it's not activated by default to use younite | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | why would it? | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | not even icloud is activated by default | 11:22 |
| Sail0r | dunno just a question :) | 11:22 |
| M4rtinK2 | Morpog_: @younited: "It is by purpose that we do not provide end-to-end encryption for your files" | 11:22 |
| mikma | good news, only 45 minutes left before we get another spambot visit! | 11:22 |
| Waitee | lol | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | statistics? | 11:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | Morpog_: so nothing new, the same public cloud "privacy" & "security" | 11:23 |
| Waitee | goddamn bots | 11:23 |
| Morpog_ | mmmh | 11:23 |
| Waitee | "make a bot that autobans if someone joins on a certain time" | 11:24 |
| Waitee | ":D" | 11:24 |
| ggabriel | the only reason these bots exist is that people actually click those links | 11:24 |
| Waitee | yeah | 11:25 |
| M4rtinK2 | banning based on idleRPG score ? :) | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | well, another reason could be that nobody goes and ddos's the hell out of those links | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | M4rtinK2: lol | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | yay idlerpg | 11:25 |
| Sail0r | but it's advertised as secure cloud ^^ | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | define secure | 11:25 |
| Waitee | the weakest link in cmputer security is he human beign controlling the computer | 11:25 |
| Sail0r | and they advertise being more secure then dropbox | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | my cloud is secured | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | by a front door with 2 locks | 11:26 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | and a firewall | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | is that secure? | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | do i need to get a dog? | 11:26 |
| Sail0r | yep | 11:26 |
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| Sail0r | two maybe | 11:26 |
| Pnuu | and a tiger | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | so, they'll eat the server and now it won't be reliable | 11:26 |
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| M4rtinK2 | as long as as they can get the plaintext at any stage, it is not really secure | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | but they promise they won't tell anybody | 11:30 |
| Pnuu | the dogs and the tiger? | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | no, "they" | 11:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | makes their infra setup easier and more efficient though (deduplication, etc.) | 11:31 |
| Pnuu | oh, Them | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | dogs and tiger are busy playing with the server | 11:31 |
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| M4rtinK2 | yeah, they can promise what they want, like "we won't get raided" and "we won't get hacked" | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | now i have to use g+ or something coz my cloud stopped working due to excessive saliva | 11:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | but as long as they are not storing only encrypted blobs, it amounts to nothing | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | even encrypted ,they'll have the key | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | so it's the same but with more computational requirements | 11:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | exactly, that's the issue | 11:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, not really | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | granted it's a bit harder for hackers to break | 11:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | you need to steal both the key & encrypted data | 11:33 |
| mikma | you can report the spambot here https://www.voxility.com/info/contact/abuse | 11:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | not just the data | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | mikma: looks like you are the best person here to report it ;-) | 11:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | also, you need to trust them it is really encrypted :) | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | M4rtinK2: yup, the gov will have accesss tho | 11:34 |
| mikma | i'm pretty sure they wont react to my one report about it | 11:34 |
| rigo | just in case you did not notice yet, promises are not good enough :) https://www.w3.org/2014/strint/ | 11:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | still, there are advantages if they at least do encrypt it in storage | 11:35 |
| M4rtinK2 | they are less likely loosing disks with your unencrypted data | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 11:35 |
| rigo | don't even dare not encrypting, or I will recommend you as WhatsApp Devs | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | mikma: give me the email that you wrote and i'll send that, maybe with a few words swapped or something | 11:36 |
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| rigo | is anybody working on WebRTC? | 11:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | and even end-to-end encryption on public infra has issues | 11:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | you can +- see data sizes being transferred, time when this is being done, etc | 11:37 |
| ggabriel | well, yeah, but that's ok for photos of your cat | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | acceptable risk | 11:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah | 11:38 |
| rigo | M4rtinK2: but this is exactly the point: Because we said "not good enough" too often and then did unencrypted transfer instead, we have the pervasive monitoring disaster | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | speaking of this, i have to make 2 more identities for this popular social network ;-) | 11:39 |
| rigo | encrypt wherever you can, opportunistic | 11:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah, exactly | 11:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | why make it any easier than needed for anyone wanting your data | 11:40 |
| rigo | you can't win against a targetted attack from the spooks. But if we all encrypt, they can do only so much :) | 11:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | still in this case (online personal data storage), it is much easier than regular message encryption | 11:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | as you are the only one who needs the key | 11:40 |
| rigo | use symmetric encryption, it is lightning fast. I think even the idea patent has expired... | 11:41 |
| M4rtinK2 | and don't have the issues with securely transferring the key to the other party or assuring public key integrity | 11:41 |
| rigo | yep | 11:41 |
| rigo | you could even use the same key for transfer and storage, provided that you have one key per user | 11:42 |
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| mikma | ggabriel: http://pastebin.com/EWCWLzqC -> i mailed that to abuse@voxility.com and support@freenode.net | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | mikma: ta | 11:46 |
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| ggabriel | done | 11:47 |
| mikma | most of the ip's are hosted by voxility, but some of them are unknown :I | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | so if that hosting company goes down, all is well, right? :D | 11:57 |
| mikma | suuuuure, i guess ;) | 11:57 |
| mikma | we here at #jollamobiles demand you to shut down your company! | 11:58 |
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| mikma | i'm so sorry. https://together.jolla.com/question/29714/idea-team-up-with-yet-another-finish-company-iitala/ | 12:03 |
| mikma | but that's just.. | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | lol | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | some people may get it tho | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | how many ppl got the iphone 4(s)? :P | 12:04 |
| Nicd- | finnish* iittala* :| | 12:04 |
| mikma | "i'll just carefully ply this TOH off from the corner..." SNAP! | 12:04 |
| mikma | aaaaaaand now you are bleeding from your wrist. emo. | 12:05 |
| mikma | nicd-: what about itella covers? you could MAIL them! | 12:05 |
| mikma | or have it display your emails! | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | a TOH that automatically changes the destination of the phone in the mail system and travels around finland | 12:06 |
| mikma | and you could track it | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | just imagine the havoc it would have on the itella systems if a letter changed barcode.. | 12:06 |
| mikma | haha | 12:07 |
| ShadowJK | Not much | 12:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Though you could keep it moving around in itella indefinitely | 12:07 |
| mikma | good thing the jollaboys fixed the tohd battery leech then | 12:08 |
| mikma | would have been a short trip otherwise | 12:08 |
| mikma | stskeeps: actually. Marimekko TOH covers would attract women customers | 12:10 |
| ShadowJK | And risk of plagiarism lawsuits | 12:12 |
| Yaniel | yep | 12:12 |
| mikma | not with the unikko pattern | 12:12 |
| arkkipiiska | nah, Marimekko is not too interested in this fuzz about plagiarism ;) | 12:12 |
| Yaniel | suing marimekko for plagiarism seems to be almost a sport these days | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | i just want a jolla plane.. | 12:12 |
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| mikma | stskeeps: you really don't want a jolla plane with 1.0.3.8 in cockpit | 12:13 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 12:13 |
| mikma | "hey, lets try landscape mode" | 12:13 |
| ShadowJK | the human forgets to tap on the screen, phone goes to sleep, autopilot stops running | 12:14 |
| rigo | if you want to partner, go get Jon Tetzchner. Because you need a browser. He knows how to build a browser and he is not with opera anymore | 12:14 |
| rigo | this will probably also solve the landscape mode :) | 12:15 |
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| ShadowJK | new landscape mode irritates me that sometimes in landscape swipe from loudspeaker is close, sometimes cover | 12:16 |
| mikma | shadowjk: i'd love to see the connection problem and ui crashing in jolla plane also | 12:16 |
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| ShadowJK | *engines spool down* "Connection Problem" *engines spool up* "Connected" *Connection problem" *engines spool down* | 12:18 |
| zbenjamin | anyone else missing contact details on his jolla phone? It seems to happen if a google account has no valid login informations. The contacts are still there but empty or details missing | 12:18 |
| zbenjamin | sadly after adding valid login informations the contacts are not restored | 12:18 |
| zbenjamin | and the details are still ok on the google servers | 12:19 |
| mikma | zbenjamin: you are syncing the contacts from google? right? | 12:19 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: yep | 12:19 |
| mikma | zbenjamin: did you have the contacts also synced in some android device? | 12:19 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: not since i started to use my jolla | 12:19 |
| ShadowJK | Android airplane: "hey, how do I release my seatbelt?", "Google and NSA have rerouted this aircraft, please sit back and relax to the soothing music of britney spears" | 12:20 |
| mikma | zbenjamin: well have you cleared the contacts from any android device lately? :P meaning, are the contacts still present at google? | 12:20 |
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| zbenjamin | mikma: yes the contacts are still on the server, i did not change any of them | 12:20 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: when i login to google and check the contacts the details are still there | 12:21 |
| mikma | zbenjamin: mm ok. then it's not what i experienced | 12:21 |
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| zbenjamin | in fact i have no phone numbers at all on the phone anymore oO | 12:22 |
| mikma | https://together.jolla.com/question/29572/bug-jolla-lost-all-phone-numbers/ | 12:22 |
| mikma | is this yours? | 12:22 |
| zbenjamin | ah sounds like mine | 12:22 |
| mikma | https://together.jolla.com/question/29572/bug-jolla-lost-all-phone-numbers/?answer=29688#post-id-29688 | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | woohoo i have a tjc badge | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | haven't had one of those in weeks | 12:24 |
| mikma | ggabriel: i also got one more badge yesterday! "Editor" :D | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | woohoo | 12:24 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: does not help, i relogged in also | 12:24 |
| mikma | zbenjamin: have you tried deleting the whole account and readding it back? | 12:24 |
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| zbenjamin | mikma: nope | 12:27 |
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| mikma | zbenjamin: interesting problem | 12:28 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: seems i have to delete my contacts database, which is nasty | 12:28 |
| * zbenjamin does not like | 12:29 | |
| mikma | zbenjamin: this might also be a perfect time to backup the contacts from google | 12:29 |
| zbenjamin | i'm just glad there is no 2 way sync i would maybe have lost all my contacts | 12:29 |
| zbenjamin | my thought | 12:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | rsync of doom :) | 12:30 |
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| mikma | zbenjamin: https://together.jolla.com/question/29512/bug-jolla-looses-contact-data-when-g-logs-out-with-no-easy-way-to-know-about-it-and-no-ability-to-force-resync/ | 12:31 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: yeah related definately | 12:33 |
| mikma | that "bug" sounds really bad | 12:33 |
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| zbenjamin | it is :/, i want ownclowd sync so i can remove that stuff from the google servers | 12:34 |
| mikma | i'm really thinking about reseting factory settings back and upgrading to 1.0.2.5 | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | i'll wait a week or two :D | 12:34 |
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| ggabriel | i need to reimport all my contacts from the n9 too | 12:34 |
| * zbenjamin is going to delete contacts dabase | 12:35 | |
| mikma | zbenjamin: don't like the idea of nsa reading your contacts? | 12:35 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: lol as if it would prevent them from doing so when i store them on my own server | 12:35 |
| mikma | hah, true | 12:35 |
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| zbenjamin | mikma: i just don't like to be dependent on a company when i can have my own server :) | 12:36 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: and my owncloud is running anyway | 12:36 |
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| mikma | zbenjamin: my friend is actually doing the same thing. he's got a own server where he keeps his contacts sync'd | 12:36 |
| mikma | zbenjamin: but that was for nokia n9, don't know about his galaxy s4 mini now | 12:37 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: yeah i wonder why there is no caldav carddav sync for jolla, it should be first choice imho. Almost any sync service can do this | 12:37 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps: are you already in barcelona? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | no, tomorrow | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i arrive at shit-o-clock | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | in the evening | 12:39 |
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| mikma | remember to take your spf50 with you | 12:40 |
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| zbenjamin | and now it crashed on me when opening a contact. Completely like i turned it off .... wtf? never happened before | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | pull battery for 10 minutes | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | how's the new job btw? | 12:43 |
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| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: mine? | 12:49 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: its good! I have fun :) | 12:49 |
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| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: btw is there any way i can clean up only the contacts from google so they are resynced? | 12:51 |
| zbenjamin | interesting when i remove all my accounts i still have contacts left on the phone, even though i have almost no local contacts | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: you're almost convicing me to never ever use anything that google makes | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | not even by mistake | 12:54 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: even the facebook contacts are not deleted when i remove my facebook account | 12:55 |
| zbenjamin | something is wrong with my contacts db | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | if you have almost none contacts, just nuke it | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | try first from settings tho | 12:55 |
| zbenjamin | yeah | 12:55 |
| zbenjamin | my current plan :) | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | s/none/no/ | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | i'll do that in a day or two | 12:56 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: still that should not happen | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | to reimport again my n9's | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | no, probably a bug | 12:56 |
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| zbenjamin | aaaaaaaaaaa they are still there ! | 12:56 |
| zbenjamin | wTF | 12:56 |
| zbenjamin | how can this be? | 12:57 |
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| zbenjamin | ggabriel: how can i completely nuke contacts without breaking anything? | 13:09 |
| Sail0r | move the contacts db away | 13:10 |
| Sail0r | it's described on tjc | 13:10 |
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| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/10161/fixed-in-1038-how-to-delete-manyall-contacts-from-people-app/ | 13:10 |
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| Sail0r | second answer | 13:10 |
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| zbenjamin | Sail0r: there is lots of stuff in the Contacts folder, what would happen if i move that one away? | 13:19 |
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| zbenjamin | mikma: ok this is really bad, even after removing the db and completely recreating the google login i have NO phone numbers | 13:31 |
| zbenjamin | mikma: i'll wait some more seconds maybe it takes some time | 13:31 |
| ggabriel | reboot in between? | 13:33 |
| ggabriel | i.e., delete db, reboot | 13:33 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: yes | 13:33 |
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| zbenjamin | ggabriel: i even moved the complete Contacts folder away, not only the db because there was so much data left in there | 13:34 |
| mikma | zbenjamin: did you pull the battery? | 13:34 |
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| zbenjamin | no, why should pulling the battery change that? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | [13:43] <zbenjamin> and now it crashed on me when opening a contact. Completely like i turned it off .... wtf? never happened before | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | if the device turned off completely, that is | 13:35 |
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| zbenjamin | ok turned off , removed battery now booting | 13:37 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: but a reboot from the console should be safe too ? i mean it reboots the OS | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | no, powering off is only real shutdown | 13:38 |
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| zbenjamin | i see, but contacts still have no phone details | 13:39 |
| zbenjamin | maybe google changed fields in the sync ? | 13:39 |
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| zbenjamin | i'm pretty sure i also don'T get all contacts ... | 13:40 |
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| Anz_ | should I enable sync in accounts settings for emails to be fetched automatically? i have already set 5 minutes update interval in email app settings | 13:44 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/29731/bug-tracker-forgets-contents-on-sd-card/ | 13:45 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/29732/bug-remorse-action-in-calendar-app/ | 13:45 |
| Venemo | my newest findings :) | 13:45 |
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| zbenjamin | hmpf now i try to sync with outlook.com , hopefully ms exchange will work better | 14:15 |
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| tango_ | ar: I would prefer the layout that leaves the camera functional while closed, but I don't like the arrows up left | 22:13 |
| tango_ | bottom right would seem more natural to me | 22:14 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: ping | 22:14 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I get this when I plug the jolla in: http://pastebin.com/kL5LHGVt | 22:15 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: the scary part is: Feb 22 23:12:24 Timur-Zenbook mtp-probe: bus: 2, device: 19 was not an MTP device | 22:15 |
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| Sail0r | Venemo: fedora 20? | 22:20 |
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| Venemo | Sail0r: yep | 22:21 |
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| Sail0r | it's very interesting | 22:21 |
| Sail0r | I have one Fedora 20 box where Jolla works out of the box | 22:21 |
| Sail0r | and another where it does not work | 22:21 |
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| Venemo | Sail0r: eh | 22:22 |
| Sail0r | on both I have not installed anything for mpt | 22:22 |
| Sail0r | *mtp | 22:22 |
| Venemo | gvfs-mtp and libmtp are installed by default; at least I didn't install anything for them | 22:22 |
| Sail0r | on my desktop I plug the Jolla in it appears in file manager is browsable, copy works everything works | 22:22 |
| Sail0r | on the other nothing works | 22:22 |
| Venemo | hm | 22:24 |
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| ar | i've heard that the keyboard layouts used in Jolla are qml files. where can i find them? i'm especially interested in the ones used by fingerterm | 22:24 |
| Sail0r | it does not hurt because the one where it not works is not used often ^^ | 22:24 |
| Sail0r | but it's interesting | 22:25 |
| Venemo | ar: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91917 but I think fingerterm does something custom | 22:25 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/18763/howto-fingerterm-german-layout/ @ar | 22:25 |
| ar | i would love to be able to edit them and play around with the layouts before actually making something, so to say, physical | 22:25 |
| Sail0r | https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm/tree/master/data | 22:25 |
| ar | thanks :) | 22:25 |
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| ar | hm. the fingerterm layout definition seems to be somewhat "Read the source, Luke" | 22:34 |
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| M4rtinK | I guess that's not even Maliit | 22:35 |
| phdeswer | Nope fingerterm has it's own | 22:35 |
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| Venemo | ar: fingerterm is like that, yeah | 22:56 |
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| ar | hmm. it doesn't automatically handle the fact, that i define more than 11 keys per column | 23:17 |
| ar | but judging by https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm/blob/master/keyloader.cpp#L90 it should do that | 23:20 |
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| ar | any ideas? | 23:21 |
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| ar | erm, that's not the line for it | 23:25 |
| ar | hm | 23:25 |
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| CvP | hi | 23:53 |
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